This is proper Automotive journalism. Today, all you hear in this great video is summed up in the following words "It's incredibly fast". It's a bit of a shame.
This video can be best described as "Dropping some Science". Who knew that the event of a 911 going thru a high speed corner was so complex? Well done Motortrend!
As much as I love the GTR and respect the ZR1, this is how the supersport car should be done. The driver, 3 pedals, rear-drive, and no electronic gadgets. You make the car go fast, not the other way around. The engineers provide the car, and as the driver you do the rest on the track. No wonder this trounces 99% of street legal machines on the ring. 911 forever!
Nice work explaining the technique on how to pilot this car through a high speed corner. You guys hit a great balance of explaining how engineering and performance intersect.
There you go! That's the quality review we have been waiting for! It was excellent. Great production quality, very informative, and finally a longish video.
WOW, remember guys when motortrend had those ridiculously long 20 minute videos, but still subscribed? now it has becoming a promising channel! really good MOTORTREND! good job!
Nastiest car ever! Out running Ducatti's and he let off at 211 MPH can you imagine that it could of gone faster if he kept going and that is bone stock absolutely ridiculous!
What a lot of people don't understand is that when you know how to drive a 911 correctly you can obtain very high exit speeds in corners due to the rear engine set up. By having the engine in the back, the car is able to achieve a significant amount of traction in the rear wheels, add acceleration to this and you get the weight distributing itself to the back of the vehicle thus creating even more traction.
I am finally starting to really enjoy your videos Motortrend. Keep showing these videos and the track videos and you are in for much more subscribers and fans.
I know I posted on this video when this was first posted, but I just want to say again that this is probably the coolest video you guys have ever done and I want to see more of these...
@LoveTheCity123 Simply, it goes Boxster, Cayman, 911. 911 expanded (the Boxster and Cayman follow a similar, but less expansive formula): Base 911 - Carrera (S, GTS, Cabriolet (S/GTS)) AWD 911 - Carrera 4 (S, GTS, Cabriolet (S/GTS)) Turbocharged 911 - Turbo (S, Cabriolet (S)) Finally, there are the more track-based Porsche models, the GT3 and GT2. Both have RS versions, but the main difference between the two is the GT3 is naturally aspirated, whereas the GT2 is twin-turbo'd.
@y571 It's twin turboed, whereas Ferrari and Lamborghini stick to naturally aspirated blocks. This also gives Porsche the advantage in the fuel economy area. Btw this is also a F6 (flat 6).
The flicker from the camera is called a duty cycle. It is common in led lighting to conserve power, and life of the bulbs. The human eye cannot see it because the time the light is on vs off is so quickly transitioned that we simply can't tell the difference, but a device recording at a mixed frame rate will capture moments of the light being on and off thus showing you what you see in the video above. Just simply google the term duty cycle and LEDs. You'll see.
@4fifty8 Sorry about the delay. You are right, it is pretty hard to get real data for F1. I read it in a F1 Magazine a few years ago and it was more of a estimation than real data given from certain team, and it varies from car to car, from driver to drive but the article said it's in the range of 45/55 to 40/60. In F1 particularly it depends a lot from the tires since their size is defined by the rules, meaning the narrower front tires get less weight the the rears.
Coming from a complete petrol head this video is absolutely incredible! I love all the technical data, all the deep thought behind these superb cars. More video's like this Motortrend and you will untouchable by other car blogs/magazines
@TaLoCc I'm with you all the way on that one! The motoring press have referred to this particular model of 911 since its inception in the mid 90's as the "Widow Maker" for good reason...
@cb7pwn electricity is moving in waves, so the more you increase the waves through the lights the less you see the lights flicker, the longer the wavelength the more you see flickers, same thing when you see people film some of their computers, you see their monitors have lines moving back and forth.
Instead of having all those technical data, we can summarize it as a greater weight in the rear allows the car to pivot and plant itself easily at the rear, making cornering easier.
I can't think of a car company that has the guts to perfect an engineering (sometimes stubbornly) as Porsche. While most supercars add cylinders and change the engine position to make the car faster but more importantly, to attract more customers, Porsche continues to stick with 6 cylinders, rear engine layout, and keeping it's ever-timeless look. Result? More race wins than any other cars in history, superb reliability, respect, and fuel-efficiency. Definitely an every day supercar.
@JustinsSoapbox Formula one cars engine is still in front of the rear axle, in the 911 the engine still hangs off the rear axle. Depends how you qualify rear weight bias. 911 has more weight at the rear axle than a F1 car. Even mid-rear-engine cars like ferrari, audi r8, have 55ish(ballpark) percent weight bias at the rear axle.
@cb7pwn becasue LED lights are always flikering in daily life, so much so that the human eye does not notice. This makes them energy efficent and how the generally operate on vehilces. When a camera films an LED light source the frame rate of the camera filming and the flickering of the LEDs somtimes match, or are close to each other making it visible for the viewer to see this event take place.
@motortrend One of the best TH-cam vids of all time! Let me correct something though.. You said inherent design ''anomaly''. You meant inherent design ''flaw'', right??
Fantastic video. Really impressive, Mototrend. Much more interesting and enjoyable than your rather redundant First Test videos. I hope to see more cars broken down in "The Science of Speed" feature. *Fingers crossed*
@scootersweet123 I think you also have to counter int he rear aero as well as the front, which probably keeps the ratios about the same or even greater towards the rear since they might generate more downforce in the rear than the front.
@y571 Cylinders mean nothing when you put it out of context. You're disregarding boost and compression ratios, turbochargers adding a TON of horsepower, and things like that. If it calms you, the V12s are considerably more calmly tuned. If somebody wanted to tune those V12s up to cranking out 800+ HP (possibly even 1000), it'd be very doable. All that being said, Porsche's engine is indeed, very powerful.
@jmathis45 Good answer. I was going to say this: When the LEDs are viewed on TV they aren't in sync with the TV frame rate and as a result appear to flicker.
They shouldn't really compare the weight destribution distribution of an F1 car and a Porsche, because while it might be similar as its rear biased the difference is that a F1 car has pretty much all its mass within each of the axles. That means that the weight doesn't try to force the back end around like on a Porsche. When the weight is beyond the axles it will act as a pendulum on the car, which will make the handling very tricky. A center engine configuration is much more controllable.
This is proper Automotive journalism. Today, all you hear in this great video is summed up in the following words "It's incredibly fast". It's a bit of a shame.
Excellent video! Love the engineering!
Watching this again in 2020 after all these years, some how it got more awesomeness.
This is your best video so far. This is the type of journalism we need.
GOD, how much I enjoyed watching this!!!
Music, noise, narration, excellent !
I need one of these in my life
Formula Games here waiting for the 2018 991.2 gt2 rs like 😰
bravo motortrend! The most comprehensive and intelligent review ive ever seen. This should be used as a porsche commercial.
MAKE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS MOTORTREND! This was DEFINITELY a step in the right direction for the channel
This video can be best described as "Dropping some Science". Who knew that the event of a 911 going thru a high speed corner was so complex? Well done Motortrend!
As much as I love the GTR and respect the ZR1, this is how the supersport car should be done. The driver, 3 pedals, rear-drive, and no electronic gadgets. You make the car go fast, not the other way around. The engineers provide the car, and as the driver you do the rest on the track. No wonder this trounces 99% of street legal machines on the ring.
911 forever!
I'm amazed that this is the first motortrend video i've ever seen that didn't suck. Great job and amazing car.
Nice work explaining the technique on how to pilot this car through a high speed corner. You guys hit a great balance of explaining how engineering and performance intersect.
Please produce more of these videos Motortrend. This is interesting stuff.
More of this, please! Holy crap, this is awesome.
There you go! That's the quality review we have been waiting for! It was excellent. Great production quality, very informative, and finally a longish video.
WOW, remember guys when motortrend had those ridiculously long 20 minute videos, but still subscribed? now it has becoming a promising channel! really good MOTORTREND! good job!
This was definitely one of the greatest segments ever. Keep this style on board for all sports cars interviews.
great vid MotorTrend!! I hope this is a glimpse of what's to come from you guys! great work
Side note this experiment was really expensive because they had totaled the engine
This is the original widow maker!!!!
Nastiest car ever! Out running Ducatti's and he let off at 211 MPH can you imagine that it could of gone faster if he kept going and that is bone stock absolutely ridiculous!
JC B Spoiler alert: The 2018 porsche gt2 rs has just been revealed
um no its not there have been plenty of other cars before that there was the old shelbys and don't forget the porsche CGT
JC B no it's not. The mid 1970's 930 was the original Widowmaker
car of my dreams
What a lot of people don't understand is that when you know how to drive a 911 correctly you can obtain very high exit speeds in corners due to the rear engine set up. By having the engine in the back, the car is able to achieve a significant amount of traction in the rear wheels, add acceleration to this and you get the weight distributing itself to the back of the vehicle thus creating even more traction.
Keep it up MotorTrend... These are the videos we want!
It's time to start full series of "Science of speed" !
Great work!
I am finally starting to really enjoy your videos Motortrend. Keep showing these videos and the track videos and you are in for much more subscribers and fans.
Thank you for this segment. The technical breakdown was superb.
I know I posted on this video when this was first posted, but I just want to say again that this is probably the coolest video you guys have ever done and I want to see more of these...
@LoveTheCity123 Simply, it goes Boxster, Cayman, 911.
911 expanded (the Boxster and Cayman follow a similar, but less expansive formula):
Base 911 - Carrera (S, GTS, Cabriolet (S/GTS))
AWD 911 - Carrera 4 (S, GTS, Cabriolet (S/GTS))
Turbocharged 911 - Turbo (S, Cabriolet (S))
Finally, there are the more track-based Porsche models, the GT3 and GT2. Both have RS versions, but the main difference between the two is the GT3 is naturally aspirated, whereas the GT2 is twin-turbo'd.
For the first time impressed by Motor Trend!
@y571 It's twin turboed, whereas Ferrari and Lamborghini stick to naturally aspirated blocks. This also gives Porsche the advantage in the fuel economy area. Btw this is also a F6 (flat 6).
The flicker from the camera is called a duty cycle. It is common in led lighting to conserve power, and life of the bulbs. The human eye cannot see it because the time the light is on vs off is so quickly transitioned that we simply can't tell the difference, but a device recording at a mixed frame rate will capture moments of the light being on and off thus showing you what you see in the video above. Just simply google the term duty cycle and LEDs. You'll see.
wow Do More of these science of speed videos, truly well done !!!!!!!!
Best video style video yet!
Incredibly well produced video. Fun, exciting, and really informative about a car most people fear utterly.
@4fifty8 Sorry about the delay. You are right, it is pretty hard to get real data for F1. I read it in a F1 Magazine a few years ago and it was more of a estimation than real data given from certain team, and it varies from car to car, from driver to drive but the article said it's in the range of 45/55 to 40/60. In F1 particularly it depends a lot from the tires since their size is defined by the rules, meaning the narrower front tires get less weight the the rears.
pure quality, great job Motor Trend!
in motorsports, 911s use the extra weight at the back as an advantage as it provides more grip to shoot out of the corners faster than any other cars.
That's probably the best review I've ever watched.
This is what a car review should be like! : ) Keep it up Motortrend!
Dear Motortrend,
Bring The Science of Speed BACK!
56 people spun at the high speed corner
That is what I'm looking for when typing the word "Test"!
Congratulations Motortrend!
I just saw one of these at my dealership and it looks amazing in person. Love that it's manual only
maxpowers3732
You can get that with a PDK
Everything about this video is superb! Of course...the Porsche is too. :) Great job Motor Trend!
Coming from a complete petrol head this video is absolutely incredible! I love all the technical data, all the deep thought behind these superb cars. More video's like this Motortrend and you will untouchable by other car blogs/magazines
Hands down the best Motor Trend video I have ever watched! Keep these up and you could just about rival Top Gear. And that my friends is a compliment!
What an awesome video! Good job motortrend
So interesting, keeping posting "The Science of Speed"!!!
@TaLoCc
I'm with you all the way on that one!
The motoring press have referred to this particular model of 911 since its inception in the mid 90's as the "Widow Maker" for good reason...
@cb7pwn electricity is moving in waves, so the more you increase the waves through the lights the less you see the lights flicker, the longer the wavelength the more you see flickers, same thing when you see people film some of their computers, you see their monitors have lines moving back and forth.
@12valvepower1 ever heard of the 9ff GTurbo? 1000 hp from this engine!!
those kind of videos are simply awesome !
@kirk0respite the RS models are rear wheel drive, while the 911 Turbo's are the all wheel drive models
Best review ever, and i've seen hundreds. Thank you so very much.
Great job MT, just what we want to watch.
Great video. The GT2 RS is a monster.
@lamborghiniFTW199
its a safety feature, when brakes are fully depressed, hazard lights blink.
@gaz0044 this is because of the camera, its a flaw in most new cameras. the tail lights do not actually flicker in real life. google it.
Instead of having all those technical data, we can summarize it as a greater weight in the rear allows the car to pivot and plant itself easily at the rear, making cornering easier.
Love this video Motortrend, please do some more
@12gloom yes it is right. because it is a german word the "e" at the end is not silent.
Wow Motortrend. Make more videos like this.
What an insane car. Praying Porsche will make a 991 GT2
*991.2 variant, and it'll be 2018 by the time it turns up :(
+Dewwa Kakkar I just need a new GT2
+McRacerGT2 the new GT2 will arrive in 2018 :(
+Dewwa Kakkar I hope I have the money by then. And I also hpe its not a limited edition
+McRacerGT2 hope
I can't think of a car company that has the guts to perfect an engineering (sometimes stubbornly) as Porsche. While most supercars add cylinders and change the engine position to make the car faster but more importantly, to attract more customers, Porsche continues to stick with 6 cylinders, rear engine layout, and keeping it's ever-timeless look. Result? More race wins than any other cars in history, superb reliability, respect, and fuel-efficiency. Definitely an every day supercar.
great video guys, more of this please
Masterfully done video. Keep this up!
I have a 930 with about 450HP and its quite a hand full in a corner but this GT2 RS with 620HP is a beast.
YEEE KEEP THEM COMING MOTORTREND. I m sure everyone here wants more of this.
This was just awesome Motortrend. Keep going !!!
That was one of the best car review videos I have ever seen !!!
@JustinsSoapbox Formula one cars engine is still in front of the rear axle, in the 911 the engine still hangs off the rear axle. Depends how you qualify rear weight bias. 911 has more weight at the rear axle than a F1 car.
Even mid-rear-engine cars like ferrari, audi r8, have 55ish(ballpark) percent weight bias at the rear axle.
@cb7pwn becasue LED lights are always flikering in daily life, so much so that the human eye does not notice. This makes them energy efficent and how the generally operate on vehilces. When a camera films an LED light source the frame rate of the camera filming and the flickering of the LEDs somtimes match, or are close to each other making it visible for the viewer to see this event take place.
motortrend GOOD JOB! I LOVED EVERY SECOND OF THIS VIDEO.
@motortrend One of the best TH-cam vids of all time! Let me correct something though.. You said inherent design ''anomaly''. You meant inherent design ''flaw'', right??
Wonderful video. Great job MT :D
Fantastic video. Really impressive, Mototrend. Much more interesting and enjoyable than your rather redundant First Test videos. I hope to see more cars broken down in "The Science of Speed" feature. *Fingers crossed*
Nice job motortrend! U've made a great review in one of the greatest car! Props!!
@danwlfn They did, it's called a Carrera GT
Fantastic. More of these videos!
amazing video motortrend
Great Info and video! Well done. Thank you
The science of a Porsche revealed! Great work now do the same with other cars!
I think this is the best looking 911 yet
I’m the only one who prefer
This gt2 rs over the new gt2 rs
THANOS POWAA no you’re not!!!
No your not
this was a EPICLY GOOD VIDEO!
@scootersweet123 I think you also have to counter int he rear aero as well as the front, which probably keeps the ratios about the same or even greater towards the rear since they might generate more downforce in the rear than the front.
Great video guys!
@y571 Cylinders mean nothing when you put it out of context.
You're disregarding boost and compression ratios, turbochargers adding a TON of horsepower, and things like that.
If it calms you, the V12s are considerably more calmly tuned. If somebody wanted to tune those V12s up to cranking out 800+ HP (possibly even 1000), it'd be very doable. All that being said, Porsche's engine is indeed, very powerful.
Motortrend, this is the type of video I like :)
very cool, please more of this.
@jmathis45 Good answer. I was going to say this: When the LEDs are viewed on TV they aren't in sync with the TV frame rate and as a result appear to flicker.
@idrift4wd No it is not in this case, It is because the LED have different refresh rate than the camera.
Adore this Porsche model..
can you do a head to head with the 2012 911 gt3 rs 4.0?
i wonder which is the best!
@Boondocksaint1PSN I hope to watch most of the races.
Finally Motortrend did something interesting !
@xglserver But the Carrera GT isn't sold anymore but the Cayman is.
911 991 gt2 rs will be ferocious.
They shouldn't really compare the weight destribution distribution of an F1 car and a Porsche, because while it might be similar as its rear biased the difference is that a F1 car has pretty much all its mass within each of the axles. That means that the weight doesn't try to force the back end around like on a Porsche.
When the weight is beyond the axles it will act as a pendulum on the car, which will make the handling very tricky.
A center engine configuration is much more controllable.
@JustinsSoapbox - maybe curb weight is higher, with the formula cars so light, a lil fluid could change it?