Not really considering the Mercedes is mighty in the acceleration but still lacks the top speed. In Jeddah they were using spa level downforce rear wing hence the straight line speed advantage
So all the RB 19 front wing variations and the DRS setup with all the rear wing variations all on public display were not enough for McLaren aerodynamic engineers to get a handle on what is needed for long slow left turns in 2024. And the exposed underfloor after the 2023 Monaco crash. And lastly that McLaren has complete control of front suspension geometry. This is amazing to me. Wouldn’t blindly putting the RB 19 design parameters into the McLaren simulation software reveal the RB19 aerodynamic design is working, not why or how just that it works. If the McLaren simulation shows that it shouldn’t work as seen on track by the whole world then your simulation software is flawed perhaps and you should get new software. If the simulation verifies that it works then hire more capable aerodynamic engineers who can reverse engineer better. Harsh yes but what is needed. The two caveats are car weight and car balance as fuel weight lowers according to experts and pundits. The Mercedes power unit and associated rear suspension assembly anchor points which impacts suspension geometry are beyond McLaren control. If this compromises balance and weight from the get go well get used to being on the second and third podium steps at best. Or go back to Honda on bended knee to get arguably the best power unit. Or am I missing something here?
Everyone loves how honest Stella is but nobody tends to actually listen. He said this months ago. 2024 was for consistent podiums, 2025 is for wins & therefore championships.
That seems to be Mclarens issue now, and we wonder why they arent competitive, one year its fighting for podiums and then the following it's fighting for wins and championships like that's worked out for the past 10 years. Seems like a cycle that needs breaking and it can only break if the man at the very top isn't there holding them back, Stella is more capable at being the CEO of Mclaren & Team Principal all together and probably directing it to the targets Mclaren are aiming for more than what Zak can do
@@kavirajnosib4648😂. Zak isn't the issue. He brings sponsors which is his main job. We had James Key which IMO was the biggest issue. We pissed him off and surprise, surprise became competitive. As a HUGE Mclaren fan I am happy with how things are going
@@mackamotorsport2593 The same James Key who played a large role in the Austrian & Silverstone upgrades last season? I don't think he was the issue more of the fact Zak realised after 5-6 years the current system wasn't working so he went with a 3 lead technical directive and shockingly that seemed to do something, can't blame this all on James Key when Mclaren have had top figures for a while not maximising their full potential
@@kavirajnosib4648 we'll see how good he does at Audi. Zaks been great for Mclaren. You remember how bare that car was before him? How we nearly went bankrupt and now are in a healthy financial position? I'll blame James, you blame Zak. We'll return and see where Audi and Mclaren are in 5 years time
its been 12 years and McLaren still needs more time. Its becoming increasingly annoying now considering the fact that they were tipped to be consistent podium finishers this year.
They've been fixing the 'turning of the car to give their drivers confidence' problem since 2019 😐 And since these new regulations in 2022 their straight-line speed/DRS use has been horrid. Seems they'll forever be stuck in the upper midfield/attacking pack.
I think if we continued with the old regs McLaren would have been competing for wins. Outside of RB, few teams have really understood the ground effect cars. Add in the cost cap and now teams are limited in what they can change within a season (i.e. mercedes not redeveloping their chasis)
That is how F1 works for every team that isn't winning right now, and really for most every team that is - the performance that the RB, Merc etc can find across the duration of each regulation set they dominated in isn't small either - forever something to improve, sometimes it might not get you peak laptimes but just make the car more predictable and driveable. Seems likely Mclaren may well still be the lead rivial to RB from what we have seen IMO - not many tracks that really won't suit them at all and the bits they are good at they are really really really good at - Historically not uncommon for the teams with smaller budgets to focus on one element so they can compete for points if not even wins on some tracks. Obviously to early to rule any teams out with such a long season though.
seriously! its become so annoying. Everytime they're asked about why they are not competitive enough they say they "need more time". its been 12 years ffs!
Then you really haven’t been listening. McLaren are the most improved team out of all the teams in the ground effect era and everyone dogs them. Slow corners very much improved. Turn in is much better, hence squared off 90 degree corners are no longer an issue. DF levels still highest out of the entire field. This is the cost cap era, you can’t improve everything at once. The 2023 upgrade was massive DF numbers. Nothing else.
Stella ia doing a top job. People seem to forget that they had been reading the aero data wrong and when they realised that they knew their game plan. It takes time to get to the top. It didn't happen at RB overnight.
Let's hope McLaren step up like last year along with Ferrari and Aston plus Merc. Give the front a bit of spice! Seeing Max driving at this level so consistently is amazing and impressive to witness, but a bit of jeopardy wouldn't go amiss!
Agreed it's interesting as I am finding myself more interested in the mid and back field rather than cheering on my fave team to win a championship. Some spice in the front pack would be good 😊
They are both better then Perez, McLaren has gold in there hands if comes to drivers (Max is platinum 😅) but they are the only ones who could give Max a hard time if the car is up to it, but I’m afraid this won’t be it.😢😢
@@antonfloor344nope, they are not better than perez. Piastri could be at his level at one point, but lando NOWINS is not never have and never will. He doesn't have balls to challenge mv.
Rather easier for Max than it has been for most other drivers in such dominant cars - most of them have had at least a teammate that is actually going to push them, even if only sometimes...
That teams never developed well under whatever name apart from the copy that wasn’t a copy. I’m hoping the funding and the facility upgrades start to change that this year on since they do deserve more
With Ferrari making the waves they have, I can’t see McLaren getting as many podiums as 2023, however I’ve still got hope for Suzuka, Silverstone and Qatar.
Question is, would you have said that they stood much of a chance of getting any podiums this time last year? Nope, nobody betted on that. The proof is in the pudding
McLaren, Mercedes, Ferrari. None of them are coming back, Red Bull will win forever and ever. Red Bull will continue to win until F1 comes to an end either because WWIII is fully deployed or bc our AI overlord will find car racing too vulgar and ban it.
I'm no expert but I would think problems in slow corners are due to mechanical grip, not aero. Or maybe the aero problem is also the reason why the car is so sensitive to wind changes. Would that make sense?
06:25 Suzuka is a front-limited circuit: to reach the best laptime the limitation is the front axle/grip/downforce/driving style. Hence the name: front-limited.
Thank you. As a McLaren fan, I am desperate for videos like this that clearly explains what is going on. At least we are moving to the sharp end of the pack.
The wind tunnel, major facility upgrades, and organizational restructuring are finished. 2024 will need consistent progress and 2025 is put up or shut up. Fingers crossed
Very likely… it’s gotta be dawning on him Aston can’t deliver a race winning car as long as these regulations last. I just wanna see him get one more win
Slow ahh what do u smoke bro, at 42 years young he is giving run for the money to young driver's, if he gets a RB he'll win consistently@@MuhammadNiz007
Yikes. Scheduled to solve the problem in the last year of the regs. Hopefully the new regs won't set them back to square one. Again. Hope NOR gets the car his apparent talent deserves.
This will be the case for so long as F1 forbids meaningful innovation and upgrades during the season. For several years now, the opening rounds have flawlessly predicted the season outcomes. (Yawn.) There is no reason to get upset about it. It's just F1 in the post-turbo era.
I dont get why its being made out to be a disappointing start to the year when mclaren are 3rd atm. Last year it was 4th, before 5th, before that 4th again and the 3rd which was their best in a long long time. Theyre still tracking upwards it seems, so relax f1tv. In their eyes every car is made out to be “uncompetitive”. Well yes, everything is compared to an RB but there are 10 cars in this not just 2.
So McLaren, that haven’t been able to get their cars ‘right’ for the past two (+?) sets of design rules, is certain that they’ll get it right ‘this time.’ PS. 0:25 Using two indistinguishable shades of orange for a comparaison is useless.
0:50 Imagine blaming the slow turns for losing time in sectors 2 & 3 when they had like the slowest straight line speed on the grid--almost like that same downforce level is why they were the fastest in sector 1.
The downforce definitely slowed them down, but it also doesn’t make as big a difference in the slow corners as it does in fast one. So I think both can be true. Slow corners are more about mechanical grip and they admitted they are having problems with it. So it seems downforce is really good at high speeds, but mechanical grip is the problem at low speeds.
Despite sidepod differences and talks of revolutionary designs, all 2024 cars are an evolution of their 2023 brothers. The stability of the regulations makes it impossible for a team to produce a completely different concept (aero+kinematics) without taking a huge step backwards. Yes, Mercedes changed a lot in its car, the position of the SIPs, the suspension outer elements, the sidepods, the engine cover, but even they were bound to end up with similar kinematic characteristics. A lot of this regulation era depends on good, old suspension kinematics. The suspension has to provide the usual mechanical grip while keeping the platform stable and balanced through a relatively large ride height range. McLaren has produced a concept which is absolutely mighty within a very small ride height range. As soon as the lack of aero load raises the car, the floor loses a massive chunk of its downforce. As a result, they have to put as much wing on as they can get away with for the low speed without sacrificing too much straight line speed. Now, is that an aero problem, a suspension problem or both? It's most likely both, though the suspension is probably the biggest contributor. Does the team completely understand the problem? Probably not, otherwise they would've solved it by now. Can they solve it? Of course! They just have to find out which magic sauce RedBull are using in their suspension. Aggressive anti-dive and anti-squat seems to be one of the magical ingredients, though most teams seem afraid or unsure about getting it work. Mercedes is now running adjustable front top wishbones (at a significant weight penalty) because, I presume, they did not have the confidence or perhaps understanding to go with the most aggressive setup for every single race.
I don't understand why people overestimate Mclaren so much. Last time they fought for a title was 12 years ago and if you exclude the super lucky 2021 Monza race, they haven't won a single race in 12 years. They are decent but they don't have what it takes to bring the fight to the top teams.
Ron Dennis' McLaren is long gone. The mess Zack Brown has made has nothing to do with the real McLaren. They should change the name to stop this confusion.
seems like mclaren did just fine today. I dont understand whats happening in these comments. everyones making fun of mclaren for always being 1 year away. i havent watched f1 in years, last time i did mclaren was an actual joke. today i saw them finish 2nd and 3rd with 2 promising young drivers and a car that looks close to being the fastest on the grid, so what exactly are they doing wrong? red bull are currently the most dominant team in the history of the sport and people think mclaren is going to just casually pass them up overnight?
With a potential minor upgrade for Miami, are the teams now allowed to use the sprint for testing new parts or are they still required to keep the car the same for both the sprint and the GP?
Im pretty sure once qualifying starts the cars are in parc ferme so that means once the quali for the sprint starts, the teams cant change the cars apart from what is allowed (like front wing adjustments)
@@andrewf9423 On April 10, 2018, Brown became the chief executive officer of McLaren Racing as part of an operational restructure of the McLaren Group. As CEO, Brown has overall responsibility for the business, including strategic direction, operational performance, marketing and commercial development. Just a few cold hard facts for you..
With all of these teams changing their design philosophies I've always felt that 2024 would be the base from which many teams will built much more competitive cars in 2025
And McLaren now his a HIGH FORMER RBR ENGINEER in their ranks…the big guy, who was at the podium with Max in Australia last season, I forgot his name, Head Technical Departments or something… So it’s not that they don’t have in house… they bought some…
So in the meantime while all this happening, Red Bull is taking a nap and waiting for all the others to catch up? What a joke 🤣😂🤣😂 F1 is flawed; end of story.
It's kind of annoying but not surprising that we're talking about the same exact issues once again and that it's going to be yet another year or two .... I'm not holding my breath for that
Why does every car other than Redbull have such big weaknesses. Red bull can comfortably win at every track but the others are only competitive at specific tracks. Sometimes its McLaren, sometimes Ferrari, sometimes Aston Martin and Mercedes. Why can Red bull have it all but the others stuck with big strengths and big weaknesses.
To put it in the best positive light . . . Redbull have better negotiators when it's time to look at the sporting regs. F1 is won in the board room, not on the track.
Cos NEWEY and his team have been developing their cars all seasons to get better and better on all tracks. They needed to toget to Merc in 2021. And now with the new regs Newey KNOWS ground effect. He made a paper abt ground effect at University WAY BACK IN THE DAY. He truly understands it…. It seems the other teams don’t fully understand it. And the car in Checo’s hands isn’t dominant….it only is in Max’ hands. Max’ driving skills help lift the design to a higher level on all tracks.
Excuses again, Mclaren get the easiest ride from the media for the perfomance of their cars. The Mclaren "What ever it takes" slogan seems to be a 'long time' as the answer. Hyped to Red Bull challengers to fall behind a rebuilding Ferrari
McLaren used to be run by Ron Dennis. Dennis hired Alonso at 35 millions per season & brought in Honda. Unfortunately for this gamble, the japanese were not up to the challenge... "GP2 engine ...in suzuka" McLaren collapsed because of Honda. Ron Dennis sold his 25% , he was pushed out by Mansour Ojjeh. They went for Renault. Then they were back to square 1 with Mercedes. Then Ojjeh dies.
I can't understand why the team didn't listen to Norris and make more effort to eliminate that low-speed, knife-edge feeling in the car. He's had those complaints for a long time but the basic characteristics are the same. I hope the new structure and in-house wind tunnel can change that during the season. It feels like since the turn of the century, McLaren have been suffering with swinging from one major weakness to another; whether it's reliability, poor aero baseline or (like Williams) failing to adapt to modern techniques.
There's no way they'll be fighting for wins until the rules change again. Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren will have to fight among themselves for 2nd while Verstappen wins everything.
The top speed is a bit of odd measures, as this video points out. The Speed Trap timings being in a DRS zone mostly measures DRS efficiency. In Spa & Monza last year when the McLaren had upgraded overall, its rear wing upgrades for those tracks were disappointing in effect, with it being almost having GP2 straight struggles at Spa until the track surface became damp and suddenly it was the fastest car on track. The need something more or they won’t be able to overtake into the critical corner breaking zones in Melbourne. Now Australia is a much faster lap than it was after the middle sector became straighter, but it has to be concerning how much parts of Saudi’s track superficially resemble the best & worst bits of Suzuka for McLaren. I can see the McLaren, once it’s lumbered through T1, walking away from most cars in the Esesses and Degnas before battling with the Hairpin & Spoon corners and being compromised onto the back straight until 130R, where it could be the fastest or not. Will that be enough or will the McLarens not be able to get further forward than 5th & 6th at either track?
I think McLaren is rather circuit dependent; a car that performs far better on some tracks and far worse on others. At the very end of the last season Ferrari was topping McLaren again. Also, I don't find Norris that convincing (not bad at any rate, just not outstanding) and I was hoping Piastri would have stepped passed him by now.
Funny that all the front teams are apparently having such major issues with their cars that they still manage to win races with the mid and backfield cars always behind. Now that said how does that represent those teams, are they doing an even worse job???
It would be interesting to see Norris in a Red Bull tuned to his driving style, as it is tuned to Verstappen now. I have a nagging suspicion that McLaren is really holding Norris back, and if he was given a truly competitive car he would be most impressive.
What the fuck are haas doing to get that top speed. When I think top speed, I either think Ferrari (where RB and Merc were better in corners, think 2018-2021) or I surprisingly think Williams, who put alot of effort into straight line speed a couple of years to do well at a few tracks only.
Ricciardo said the car had problems and for his efforts he was shown the door. Then Lando said the car had basicaly the same problems that Daniel said it had. However Lando was able to adapt to the flaws in the car better than Daniel. Two years on and the car still has problems that seem to be "baked" into the way McLaren make their car. Haven't they learnt that if you what you have done in the past doensl't work, then baning your head against the same brick wall will only achieve the same result. Time to either throw out the reciepe and bake a better car or through out the chef and see if a new one can bake a better car. They have in Lanod and Oscar two great capiable drivers who can score regular points if the car was up to it. Clearly it's not All the new infrusture I think is online and was used to build this year's car, but it still hasn't helped. So maybe, it's time to look at other "excuses" for the failures.
The new infrastructure literally came online in the middle of last year. On top of that, crucial personnel only joined the team at the start of this year. It was always overoptimistic to expect them to fix the issues for this year. The real problem will be if they're unable to make substantial progress in fixing those flaws for next year.
McLaren should've start addressing these issues in 2021. You know, when Ricciardo, their only race winner since Lewis left, told them this was the major issue with the car and told them they needed to fix it. Instead, they fired him, only for Norris to start saying the exact same thing at the start of the next season, and now they're 2 or 3 years further behind then they could be. McLaren is an atrocious team.
ummmm, Norris was saying the same as Ricciardo. He was just able to adjust to it better. It's not like DR was saying one thing and Norris was keeping quiet. He agreed and said many times that the car was very tricky to drive.
@@lankyboy90 Norris did not publicly comment on the handling issues until the 3rd last race of 2022. Do you work for McLaren? Because that's the first time Norris openly addressed the issues with the car that were brought up by Daniel. So unless you work for the team and can personally confirm he said anything before then...
The dilemma of F1 is that if your car needs development, then while you're fixing that, everyone else is making similar progress on theirs. So catching up requires a monumental effort - which is no longer allowed by F1's budget rules. The only way F1 encourages competition is by tearing up the rulebook every 5 years, and making everyone start over.
Sadly that's the reality of the grid for now. The only thing that can shake down whole paddock is massive rule chance every so often. 1 or 2 teams will dominate, while the rest is playing cat and mouse game with these 2 dominant teams. What they do with plans to increasing budget cap for lower team does help soften the blow that lower teams needed to catch up with the dominant team, but in the end, it's all coming down to understand how to play in the grey area inside the rule book and to get away with as much as *legally* as possible.
i feel a lot of people are completely missing the point. you cant just throw money at the problem. the whole point is innovation. if you want to catch up you have to use your brain and think outside the box and come up with something new and innovative that other teams haven't though of, thats what f1 wants to see thats why its set up the way it is
Meanwhile other teams bring more innovations… Mclaren not being able to catch on development. So, they dont have a year to solve it… they have 1 year to make a quantum leap.
So Norris and Zak Brown are starting their 6th season at McLaren. Norris hasn't won a race in his F1 career and he chooses to stay with this losing team, thats on him. Then Oscar comes in to a dog of a car and without the experience in that team makes Norris look at best average. Why is Zac Brown still there after 6 years of non performance? If a non performing CEO in any corporate job is not performing they are gone. He is all talk and smoke and mirrors. He even has the audacity to call out Visa Cash App and their relationship to Red Bull and chimes in on the Christian Horner situation whenever he see's fit.
mclaren was better than ferrari 30 years ago, time has passed they became wiliamss 2.0, even with ferrari messed up to, mclaren was even worst remember 2015 to 2018 disaster of mclaren-honda
So in other words, if you put the strengths of the Mercedes together with those of the McLaren then you have a competitive race car
McLaren-Mercedes
This checks out.
Not really considering the Mercedes is mighty in the acceleration but still lacks the top speed. In Jeddah they were using spa level downforce rear wing hence the straight line speed advantage
@@MuhammadNiz007 he means corner performance. merc was excellent in the slow and medium speed and short corners around bahrain.
it still gonna be behind redbull actually cause redbull is great at almost every circuit and has better strengths of both cars
So all the RB 19 front wing variations and the DRS setup with all the rear wing variations all on public display were not enough for McLaren aerodynamic engineers to get a handle on what is needed for long slow left turns in 2024. And the exposed underfloor after the 2023 Monaco crash. And lastly that McLaren has complete control of front suspension geometry.
This is amazing to me. Wouldn’t blindly putting the RB 19 design parameters into the McLaren simulation software reveal the RB19 aerodynamic design is working, not why or how just that it works. If the McLaren simulation shows that it shouldn’t work as seen on track by the whole world then your simulation software is flawed perhaps and you should get new software. If the simulation verifies that it works then hire more capable aerodynamic engineers who can reverse engineer better. Harsh yes but what is needed.
The two caveats are car weight and car balance as fuel weight lowers according to experts and pundits. The Mercedes power unit and associated rear suspension assembly anchor points which impacts suspension geometry are beyond McLaren control. If this compromises balance and weight from the get go well get used to being on the second and third podium steps at best. Or go back to Honda on bended knee to get arguably the best power unit.
Or am I missing something here?
Wtf is that straight line speed by hass💀
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Everyone loves how honest Stella is but nobody tends to actually listen. He said this months ago. 2024 was for consistent podiums, 2025 is for wins & therefore championships.
That seems to be Mclarens issue now, and we wonder why they arent competitive, one year its fighting for podiums and then the following it's fighting for wins and championships like that's worked out for the past 10 years. Seems like a cycle that needs breaking and it can only break if the man at the very top isn't there holding them back, Stella is more capable at being the CEO of Mclaren & Team Principal all together and probably directing it to the targets Mclaren are aiming for more than what Zak can do
Precisely this, well said. Get more miles under oscar, capitalize on others capsized risks. Consistent finishes and high point totals.
@@kavirajnosib4648😂.
Zak isn't the issue. He brings sponsors which is his main job.
We had James Key which IMO was the biggest issue.
We pissed him off and surprise, surprise became competitive.
As a HUGE Mclaren fan I am happy with how things are going
@@mackamotorsport2593 The same James Key who played a large role in the Austrian & Silverstone upgrades last season? I don't think he was the issue more of the fact Zak realised after 5-6 years the current system wasn't working so he went with a 3 lead technical directive and shockingly that seemed to do something, can't blame this all on James Key when Mclaren have had top figures for a while not maximising their full potential
@@kavirajnosib4648 we'll see how good he does at Audi.
Zaks been great for Mclaren. You remember how bare that car was before him?
How we nearly went bankrupt and now are in a healthy financial position?
I'll blame James, you blame Zak.
We'll return and see where Audi and Mclaren are in 5 years time
its been 12 years and McLaren still needs more time. Its becoming increasingly annoying now considering the fact that they were tipped to be consistent podium finishers this year.
They've been fixing the 'turning of the car to give their drivers confidence' problem since 2019 😐 And since these new regulations in 2022 their straight-line speed/DRS use has been horrid. Seems they'll forever be stuck in the upper midfield/attacking pack.
I think if we continued with the old regs McLaren would have been competing for wins. Outside of RB, few teams have really understood the ground effect cars. Add in the cost cap and now teams are limited in what they can change within a season (i.e. mercedes not redeveloping their chasis)
Unless the team is winning both championships, they "need time to perfect the car". Not surprised there.
That is how F1 works for every team that isn't winning right now, and really for most every team that is - the performance that the RB, Merc etc can find across the duration of each regulation set they dominated in isn't small either - forever something to improve, sometimes it might not get you peak laptimes but just make the car more predictable and driveable. Seems likely Mclaren may well still be the lead rivial to RB from what we have seen IMO - not many tracks that really won't suit them at all and the bits they are good at they are really really really good at - Historically not uncommon for the teams with smaller budgets to focus on one element so they can compete for points if not even wins on some tracks. Obviously to early to rule any teams out with such a long season though.
Relax they’ve only been top 3 for like 7 months
Apparently this video was about McLaren. All we saw was that haas graph
1:19 I see Haas once again using the 2019 Ferrari power unit
It’s rear wing level, top speed is mainly drag governed not power.
I miss that warp speed engine of 2019 lol
No wonder Charles Leclerc misses that team
McLaren seems to always be "1 year out" to compete at the very front... Same story, new year...
seriously! its become so annoying. Everytime they're asked about why they are not competitive enough they say they "need more time". its been 12 years ffs!
Yeah, saw this video and was thinking I swear mclaren had this problem before.
Then you really haven’t been listening. McLaren are the most improved team out of all the teams in the ground effect era and everyone dogs them. Slow corners very much improved. Turn in is much better, hence squared off 90 degree corners are no longer an issue. DF levels still highest out of the entire field. This is the cost cap era, you can’t improve everything at once. The 2023 upgrade was massive DF numbers. Nothing else.
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Stella ia doing a top job. People seem to forget that they had been reading the aero data wrong and when they realised that they knew their game plan. It takes time to get to the top. It didn't happen at RB overnight.
What makes you think they are reading the aero data correctly now?? It's the same sorry excuses for the past decade.
@@perfectman3077 because that's what they said at the beginning of last season and why the car was so bad at the beginning of last season.
Let's hope McLaren step up like last year along with Ferrari and Aston plus Merc. Give the front a bit of spice! Seeing Max driving at this level so consistently is amazing and impressive to witness, but a bit of jeopardy wouldn't go amiss!
Agreed it's interesting as I am finding myself more interested in the mid and back field rather than cheering on my fave team to win a championship.
Some spice in the front pack would be good 😊
They are both better then Perez, McLaren has gold in there hands if comes to drivers (Max is platinum 😅) but they are the only ones who could give Max a hard time if the car is up to it, but I’m afraid this won’t be it.😢😢
There is not a RB19 to copy from.
@@antonfloor344nope, they are not better than perez. Piastri could be at his level at one point, but lando NOWINS is not never have and never will. He doesn't have balls to challenge mv.
Rather easier for Max than it has been for most other drivers in such dominant cars - most of them have had at least a teammate that is actually going to push them, even if only sometimes...
Don't sleep on Aston Martin. They have been cooking hard. Just wait....
I hope you're right 😅
That teams never developed well under whatever name apart from the copy that wasn’t a copy.
I’m hoping the funding and the facility upgrades start to change that this year on since they do deserve more
Strolls losing so much money and I love it
Lol all off season British press and social media was certain McLaren would be Red Bulls main challenger
Same in 22 when everyone and their mother thought Leclerc would win so 🤷
Lol love to see mclaren fail year after year, while british media keeps hyping them up.
@mrRTvids lol it must be a sad life to live in hate for a racing team
@@Lastname6955At least Leclerc won some races, McLaren have been terrible for a long time now.
@@tonymontana4143 yes specially from 2014 to 2018, they were embarrasing the worst i saw of a f1 team with a disastreous car and personal staff
With Ferrari making the waves they have, I can’t see McLaren getting as many podiums as 2023, however I’ve still got hope for Suzuka, Silverstone and Qatar.
Question is, would you have said that they stood much of a chance of getting any podiums this time last year? Nope, nobody betted on that. The proof is in the pudding
@@TheDukeofBox well obviously not… but that’s not a counter argument to the point I made. 🤨🤷♂️
McLaren, Mercedes, Ferrari. None of them are coming back, Red Bull will win forever and ever. Red Bull will continue to win until F1 comes to an end either because WWIII is fully deployed or bc our AI overlord will find car racing too vulgar and ban it.
I'm no expert but I would think problems in slow corners are due to mechanical grip, not aero. Or maybe the aero problem is also the reason why the car is so sensitive to wind changes. Would that make sense?
Yeah it’s more mechanical grip at lower speeds.
And a month ago they’re “giving RB a run for their money”.
06:25 Suzuka is a front-limited circuit: to reach the best laptime the limitation is the front axle/grip/downforce/driving style. Hence the name: front-limited.
Thank you. As a McLaren fan, I am desperate for videos like this that clearly explains what is going on. At least we are moving to the sharp end of the pack.
The wind tunnel, major facility upgrades, and organizational restructuring are finished. 2024 will need consistent progress and 2025 is put up or shut up. Fingers crossed
I'm fearing if papa Alonso retires next season 😢😢
He is slow so he should
Very likely… it’s gotta be dawning on him Aston can’t deliver a race winning car as long as these regulations last. I just wanna see him get one more win
Slow ahh what do u smoke bro, at 42 years young he is giving run for the money to young driver's, if he gets a RB he'll win consistently@@MuhammadNiz007
:c perhaps merc wanna sign him, but he already said that if AM couldn't deliver a good car is more likely that Alonso is going to retire from f1
@@MuhammadNiz007 slow where
It’s clear that other teams just dropped the ball when it comes to car development.
The McLaren 720S GT3 evo and MCL 38 seem to have similar problems with the long slow speed stuff.
In the meantime, Red Bull has shifted 100% of its resources to developing 2025 car...
Yikes. Scheduled to solve the problem in the last year of the regs. Hopefully the new regs won't set them back to square one. Again. Hope NOR gets the car his apparent talent deserves.
This will be the case for so long as F1 forbids meaningful innovation and upgrades during the season. For several years now, the opening rounds have flawlessly predicted the season outcomes. (Yawn.) There is no reason to get upset about it. It's just F1 in the post-turbo era.
I dont get why its being made out to be a disappointing start to the year when mclaren are 3rd atm. Last year it was 4th, before 5th, before that 4th again and the 3rd which was their best in a long long time. Theyre still tracking upwards it seems, so relax f1tv. In their eyes every car is made out to be “uncompetitive”. Well yes, everything is compared to an RB but there are 10 cars in this not just 2.
So McLaren, that haven’t been able to get their cars ‘right’ for the past two (+?) sets of design rules, is certain that they’ll get it right ‘this time.’
PS. 0:25 Using two indistinguishable shades of orange for a comparaison is useless.
0:50 Imagine blaming the slow turns for losing time in sectors 2 & 3 when they had like the slowest straight line speed on the grid--almost like that same downforce level is why they were the fastest in sector 1.
The downforce definitely slowed them down, but it also doesn’t make as big a difference in the slow corners as it does in fast one. So I think both can be true.
Slow corners are more about mechanical grip and they admitted they are having problems with it. So it seems downforce is really good at high speeds, but mechanical grip is the problem at low speeds.
so many one year plans!
Bwahaha. Love it. You said the same thing 2 years ago!
How on Earth can they be so slow on the straights and still have awful DRS efficiency?
Despite sidepod differences and talks of revolutionary designs, all 2024 cars are an evolution of their 2023 brothers. The stability of the regulations makes it impossible for a team to produce a completely different concept (aero+kinematics) without taking a huge step backwards. Yes, Mercedes changed a lot in its car, the position of the SIPs, the suspension outer elements, the sidepods, the engine cover, but even they were bound to end up with similar kinematic characteristics.
A lot of this regulation era depends on good, old suspension kinematics. The suspension has to provide the usual mechanical grip while keeping the platform stable and balanced through a relatively large ride height range.
McLaren has produced a concept which is absolutely mighty within a very small ride height range. As soon as the lack of aero load raises the car, the floor loses a massive chunk of its downforce. As a result, they have to put as much wing on as they can get away with for the low speed without sacrificing too much straight line speed.
Now, is that an aero problem, a suspension problem or both? It's most likely both, though the suspension is probably the biggest contributor. Does the team completely understand the problem? Probably not, otherwise they would've solved it by now. Can they solve it? Of course! They just have to find out which magic sauce RedBull are using in their suspension.
Aggressive anti-dive and anti-squat seems to be one of the magical ingredients, though most teams seem afraid or unsure about getting it work. Mercedes is now running adjustable front top wishbones (at a significant weight penalty) because, I presume, they did not have the confidence or perhaps understanding to go with the most aggressive setup for every single race.
I don't understand why people overestimate Mclaren so much. Last time they fought for a title was 12 years ago and if you exclude the super lucky 2021 Monza race, they haven't won a single race in 12 years. They are decent but they don't have what it takes to bring the fight to the top teams.
agree a midfield team since 20-25 years ago
Is that the F1 game you show at 3:40? 😂 anyway, nice Video again, love your work
Yeah, it’s hard to get rights for official video footage, so they use the F1 game when they need to demonstrate something
Nearly 30 years since McLaren won the constructors championship. 😢😢
wow, thats a lifetime period even worst than ferrari 21 years, mclaren is like williams right now
It's frustrating that we haven't built upon the promise so far, hopefully in true mclaren style we hit the ground running as the season progresses
Ron Dennis' McLaren is long gone. The mess Zack Brown has made has nothing to do with the real McLaren. They should change the name to stop this confusion.
I seem to heard this before
Ceiling of a non-works team has been hit.
seems like mclaren did just fine today. I dont understand whats happening in these comments. everyones making fun of mclaren for always being 1 year away. i havent watched f1 in years, last time i did mclaren was an actual joke. today i saw them finish 2nd and 3rd with 2 promising young drivers and a car that looks close to being the fastest on the grid, so what exactly are they doing wrong? red bull are currently the most dominant team in the history of the sport and people think mclaren is going to just casually pass them up overnight?
With a potential minor upgrade for Miami, are the teams now allowed to use the sprint for testing new parts or are they still required to keep the car the same for both the sprint and the GP?
Im pretty sure once qualifying starts the cars are in parc ferme so that means once the quali for the sprint starts, the teams cant change the cars apart from what is allowed (like front wing adjustments)
McLaren will never be a title winning force whilst Zak Brown is in charge.
Zak brown isnt and wasn't ever in charge
@@andrewf9423 On April 10, 2018, Brown became the chief executive officer of McLaren Racing as part of an operational restructure of the McLaren Group. As CEO, Brown has overall responsibility for the business, including strategic direction, operational performance, marketing and commercial development. Just a few cold hard facts for you..
With all of these teams changing their design philosophies I've always felt that 2024 would be the base from which many teams will built much more competitive cars in 2025
And McLaren now his a HIGH FORMER RBR ENGINEER in their ranks…the big guy, who was at the podium with Max in Australia last season, I forgot his name, Head Technical Departments or something… So it’s not that they don’t have in house… they bought some…
You guys were looking good on netflix, touched by how you were with Ottmar, he didn’t desserve that
"At least another year'!?!??!? Whatttttttt😢😢😢
Skating on a “knife edge” in your bare feet, that be a McLaren…I wonder how Lando and Oscar would fare in an RB20s!
So in the meantime while all this happening, Red Bull is taking a nap and waiting for all the others to catch up? What a joke 🤣😂🤣😂 F1 is flawed; end of story.
4:08 - RedBull are winning because they have two employees turning their wind tunnel fan..
It's kind of annoying but not surprising that we're talking about the same exact issues once again and that it's going to be yet another year or two .... I'm not holding my breath for that
just busy watching the best drivers in the world ...WRC
McLaren winning by having over a 1s on average advantage is crazy
Coming back just half a year later males me smile
Cost cap is now hurting the competitive nature of the sport at the front of the pack.
Why does every car other than Redbull have such big weaknesses. Red bull can comfortably win at every track but the others are only competitive at specific tracks. Sometimes its McLaren, sometimes Ferrari, sometimes Aston Martin and Mercedes. Why can Red bull have it all but the others stuck with big strengths and big weaknesses.
To put it in the best positive light . . . Redbull have better negotiators when it's time to look at the sporting regs. F1 is won in the board room, not on the track.
@@billmartin1663😂 oh boy, your childish jealousy…
Cos NEWEY and his team have been developing their cars all seasons to get better and better on all tracks. They needed to toget to Merc in 2021. And now with the new regs Newey KNOWS ground effect. He made a paper abt ground effect at University WAY BACK IN THE DAY. He truly understands it…. It seems the other teams don’t fully understand it. And the car in Checo’s hands isn’t dominant….it only is in Max’ hands. Max’ driving skills help lift the design to a higher level on all tracks.
McLaren talked a bigger game than this over the winter
Just copy RB. It worked last year.
Excuses again, Mclaren get the easiest ride from the media for the perfomance of their cars. The Mclaren "What ever it takes" slogan seems to be a 'long time' as the answer. Hyped to Red Bull challengers to fall behind a rebuilding Ferrari
Can you do a “change in team management”
Sounds like a 2023 video
McLaren used to be run by Ron Dennis.
Dennis hired Alonso at 35 millions per season & brought in Honda.
Unfortunately for this gamble, the japanese were not up to the challenge... "GP2 engine ...in suzuka"
McLaren collapsed because of Honda.
Ron Dennis sold his 25% , he was pushed out by Mansour Ojjeh.
They went for Renault.
Then they were back to square 1 with Mercedes.
Then Ojjeh dies.
I can't understand why the team didn't listen to Norris and make more effort to eliminate that low-speed, knife-edge feeling in the car. He's had those complaints for a long time but the basic characteristics are the same. I hope the new structure and in-house wind tunnel can change that during the season.
It feels like since the turn of the century, McLaren have been suffering with swinging from one major weakness to another; whether it's reliability, poor aero baseline or (like Williams) failing to adapt to modern techniques.
They (Mcl) just looking for 3rd place in 2024 not chasing RB or Ferrari.
They focusing on 2026 championship
Different year same excuse
There's no way they'll be fighting for wins until the rules change again. Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren will have to fight among themselves for 2nd while Verstappen wins everything.
The top speed is a bit of odd measures, as this video points out. The Speed Trap timings being in a DRS zone mostly measures DRS efficiency. In Spa & Monza last year when the McLaren had upgraded overall, its rear wing upgrades for those tracks were disappointing in effect, with it being almost having GP2 straight struggles at Spa until the track surface became damp and suddenly it was the fastest car on track. The need something more or they won’t be able to overtake into the critical corner breaking zones in Melbourne.
Now Australia is a much faster lap than it was after the middle sector became straighter, but it has to be concerning how much parts of Saudi’s track superficially resemble the best & worst bits of Suzuka for McLaren. I can see the McLaren, once it’s lumbered through T1, walking away from most cars in the Esesses and Degnas before battling with the Hairpin & Spoon corners and being compromised onto the back straight until 130R, where it could be the fastest or not. Will that be enough or will the McLarens not be able to get further forward than 5th & 6th at either track?
To much down force on rear wing
I think McLaren is rather circuit dependent; a car that performs far better on some tracks and far worse on others. At the very end of the last season Ferrari was topping McLaren again. Also, I don't find Norris that convincing (not bad at any rate, just not outstanding) and I was hoping Piastri would have stepped passed him by now.
Funny that all the front teams are apparently having such major issues with their cars that they still manage to win races with the mid and backfield cars always behind. Now that said how does that represent those teams, are they doing an even worse job???
Step 1 steal one of the RBs
Step 2 repaint it
Step 3 fight for podiums and wins.😂
Lol like Lando said on DTS
My VW up has a better top speed than that Mcpain
Game footage ? ...really ?
this sort of content is a delight, I hope you never have to stop doing this guys... thank you so much for making this possible
Should “playing catch up for the last decade” not be a null point due to the 2022 technical regulation changes?
Baby steps. They're still re-learning how to drive without that obnoxious blue on their livery.
Great video, you did a greag job breaking down the data and explaining it. Its nice to see a real F1 bideo based on facts and not just click bait.
2064th
Same story every year.....
Its always 1 more year
Seeing the old McLaren really shows how high off the ground the old cars were run compared to the current ones
nobody can build a good car except one team, that's a problem
It would be interesting to see Norris in a Red Bull tuned to his driving style, as it is tuned to Verstappen now. I have a nagging suspicion that McLaren is really holding Norris back, and if he was given a truly competitive car he would be most impressive.
Could say the same for Charles, Sainz, Russell (maybe), Lewis, Fernando and Oscar (maybe)
So mclaren again is catching up and is a year behind, great.
Poor sod who has to spin those wind tunnel blades..! ;-)
Every team should just forget it
At least they have a better package than Mercedes lol
Let's be honest, McLaren is and will continue to be a slow billboard.
What´s mercedes, then?
so a car that is faster than 80% of the grid is a slow billboard? yeah right...
@@xavierpanohaya2647 A team that has won in the last decade
@@TheHarshWay just to start 2024 behind Laren.
So do you think they will genuinely challenge red bull next year or no
Everyone is treating this season as a holdover season.
What the fuck are haas doing to get that top speed. When I think top speed, I either think Ferrari (where RB and Merc were better in corners, think 2018-2021) or I surprisingly think Williams, who put alot of effort into straight line speed a couple of years to do well at a few tracks only.
Running lower DF than other teams
emphatic
Ricciardo said the car had problems and for his efforts he was shown the door. Then Lando said the car had basicaly the same problems that Daniel said it had. However Lando was able to adapt to the flaws in the car better than Daniel. Two years on and the car still has problems that seem to be "baked" into the way McLaren make their car.
Haven't they learnt that if you what you have done in the past doensl't work, then baning your head against the same brick wall will only achieve the same result.
Time to either throw out the reciepe and bake a better car or through out the chef and see if a new one can bake a better car. They have in Lanod and Oscar two great capiable drivers who can score regular points if the car was up to it. Clearly it's not
All the new infrusture I think is online and was used to build this year's car, but it still hasn't helped. So maybe, it's time to look at other "excuses" for the failures.
The new infrastructure literally came online in the middle of last year. On top of that, crucial personnel only joined the team at the start of this year. It was always overoptimistic to expect them to fix the issues for this year.
The real problem will be if they're unable to make substantial progress in fixing those flaws for next year.
Haas using the Manor strategy I see.
McLaren should've start addressing these issues in 2021. You know, when Ricciardo, their only race winner since Lewis left, told them this was the major issue with the car and told them they needed to fix it. Instead, they fired him, only for Norris to start saying the exact same thing at the start of the next season, and now they're 2 or 3 years further behind then they could be. McLaren is an atrocious team.
ummmm, Norris was saying the same as Ricciardo. He was just able to adjust to it better. It's not like DR was saying one thing and Norris was keeping quiet. He agreed and said many times that the car was very tricky to drive.
@@lankyboy90 Norris did not publicly comment on the handling issues until the 3rd last race of 2022. Do you work for McLaren? Because that's the first time Norris openly addressed the issues with the car that were brought up by Daniel. So unless you work for the team and can personally confirm he said anything before then...
The dilemma of F1 is that if your car needs development, then while you're fixing that, everyone else is making similar progress on theirs. So catching up requires a monumental effort - which is no longer allowed by F1's budget rules. The only way F1 encourages competition is by tearing up the rulebook every 5 years, and making everyone start over.
Sadly that's the reality of the grid for now. The only thing that can shake down whole paddock is massive rule chance every so often. 1 or 2 teams will dominate, while the rest is playing cat and mouse game with these 2 dominant teams.
What they do with plans to increasing budget cap for lower team does help soften the blow that lower teams needed to catch up with the dominant team, but in the end, it's all coming down to understand how to play in the grey area inside the rule book and to get away with as much as *legally* as possible.
The rulebook IS CHANGING IN 2026 remember…. New regs 2022-2025 and in 2026 new regs again. Didn’t you know that??
i feel a lot of people are completely missing the point. you cant just throw money at the problem. the whole point is innovation. if you want to catch up you have to use your brain and think outside the box and come up with something new and innovative that other teams haven't though of, thats what f1 wants to see thats why its set up the way it is
That is 100% not the definition of yaw. That was embarrassing
Haas needs a straight Circuit
Why dont you get more cost budget the further down the order you are at the end of a seasson?
I think there is something like that, till 2029 but I don't know how it's called. It's about the development that is related to infrastructure & so on
As a customer team they are still limited to some degree
The are back to were in 2021
Meanwhile other teams bring more innovations… Mclaren not being able to catch on development. So, they dont have a year to solve it… they have 1 year to make a quantum leap.
So Norris and Zak Brown are starting their 6th season at McLaren. Norris hasn't won a race in his F1 career and he chooses to stay with this losing team, thats on him. Then Oscar comes in to a dog of a car and without the experience in that team makes Norris look at best average. Why is Zac Brown still there after 6 years of non performance? If a non performing CEO in any corporate job is not performing they are gone. He is all talk and smoke and mirrors. He even has the audacity to call out Visa Cash App and their relationship to Red Bull and chimes in on the Christian Horner situation whenever he see's fit.
In f1 if u sleep u can go to last. Maclaren was better than ferari
mclaren was better than ferrari 30 years ago, time has passed they became wiliamss 2.0, even with ferrari messed up to, mclaren was even worst remember 2015 to 2018 disaster of mclaren-honda