Wow, dude was REALLY LUCKY at 13:18 , caster thought it was lethal, but he only had one charge of the doomhammer, that topdeck lightning bolt actually gave him lethal. Surprising they didn't notice this.
TheLink 99 Yugioh has no rotation system so that's why they have to ban cards and they also have real cards so they can't nerf / buff them ^^ Actually Yogg is just too strong but i don't want that card to be nerf because it's a card made for fun, so just wait 1 year and get your tournaments with 2 aggros fighting each other in the face ^^
Yogg is so broken he played a card that wasn't even legal in the tournament he was played in! While these are funny to watch, they also illustrate how utterly terrible Yogg's existence is for competitive play.
yog is fun. the fact competitive players feel comfortable even putting it in their deck speaks more to the state of the game than the card itself. if the game itself was more consistent a card that could just as easily kill you or do nothing wouldn't even be played. people are angry that yog helped win a couple games. it's literally a 10 mana card. it's supposed to be powerful, and yog isn't even consistently that. people are so hellbent on hating yog that they'll completely ignore the fact that in game 1 it beat a zoo deck. which is consistently cancer. tldr: yog isn't the problem. it's the state of the game as a whole. also hearthstone isn't a competitive game anyway. not every game has to be. it's not even a negative
I agree with that. but I find early game rng swings way more problematic like knife juggler, flamewaker, tuskar, flame juggler, etc. also so many of the spells have become completely random as well. again not an issue with yog. I think yog itself is an absolute blast. but the games next expansion needs to be more consistent to start lessening the prominence of rng ( not remove it) just like how gvg was basically rng the expac. we need an expac that is very rng lite. imo
You miss the crux of the argument. In fact, most competitive players DO NOT feel comfortable with putting Yogg in and are, in fact, almost forced into doing it because it is such a ridiculous card. That's why there are a lot of pro players are now pushing for card bans for competitive. There are literally no other cards that can cause a swing from certain-loss to certain-win. Name me a 10 mana card that swings you as hard as Yogg? For 10 mana it plays x amount of rnd-mana spells which is worth as an aggregate a whole fucking lot more than 10 mana. Your argument about it being a 10 mana card and therefore an alright state of 'powerful' is pretty invalid. You can be outplayed the whole game and win only because of Yogg RNG. You can't counter Yogg when it's played and the only realistic option to counter Yogg is to win before it's played, i.e. aggro decks, the other cancer of card games. Zoo decks are fine to play against. That deck has to trade and maintain board control. What people REALLY have a problem with are FACE decks - Shaman and pre-Whispers Hunter. What's the common factor between these decks and Yogg? They're both uninteractive. You know that even the best players with the highest win% on ladder in the world now struggle to qualify for PRELIMINARIES in tournaments because the win% probability is so low? Viewer ratings for HS games are dropping and fewer higher ranked players actually even bother to qualify for tournaments. Someone did the maths that removing Yogg (and other similar RNG swing cards) would improve chances to win by almost 3 times as much (check the TempoStorm site for the article). Yogg IS the Hearthstone problem personified as a card. Some RNG is good to keep the game interesting (take Sylvanas, for example), but too much RNG just makes the game uninteresting because it's uninteractive. You aren't doing anything. tl;dr: Yogg has huge swings that renders all the skilled play before it down to a coin flip and people hate uninteractive shit.
Totally agree with you, how many games i lost in ladder, outplaying the opponent from turn 1 to 9, even with arcane "BS" giant, then Dr10 turn, man, equality consecration, flame strike, call of the wild etc etc. Really annoying. It doesn't matter what deck you play, zoo, malyrogue, priest resurrect (my ladders decks), if i don't won by turn9, all the moves before (ten turns, that's time and reflexions) are completely worthless, because of yogg. Even if it's not winning the game, Yogg puts the game in kind of neutral position, impossible to counter, unilaterally choose, and that's not fair. Kind of a "Diktat"
I was always kind of bewildered over how powerful the Old Gods seemed compared to previous end-game legendaries, but i never expected Yogg-Saron to be the best one. Yogg is interesting in his rng, because at least with Sylvanas or Ragnaros or good ol' Nat Pagle you could say that the randomness evens out over time and they will give a steady amount of wanted and unwanted outcomes. But Yogg has soo many possibilities and such an astounding variety of outcomes. Blizzard is obviously ok with rng in general, but i wonder if they ever realized Yogg would also be as powerful as he is.
I would've too, you're winning big and then a guy plays Yogg and destroys your board to go on and win next turn, leaving you out of a big championship.
This is actually kind of embarassing to watch. Yogg-Saron is single handedly killing Hearthstone for me right now because every game it's played in makes that game feel completely arbitrary. This is the terrible kind of RNG that I wish Hearthstone had less of.
Yogg is not a coin flip, it chooses spells randomly from the entire catalog of Hearthstone. So if you're losing every time someone plays a Yogg, you're suffering from some lousy luck.
no, it's not a coin flip, it's a DnD player's dice collection thrown in a blender to determine the game. neither player has any control over the outcome, and 7ish times out of 10 it *will* determine the game. this, and cards like this are why I haven't really played HS since WotG came out. and I thought the shredder meta was toxic. good grief.
So to all the people who don't see the problem with Yogg, allow me to draw a parallel. Say you're watching american football. The entire season, the Giants and the Patriots have had this back and forth, neck and neck series. It all comes down to them at the Superbowl. The players stride out to take the field. They've trained their entire season for this. Countless hours of practice. They crowd around the referees to see who will go first. The coin is tossed, landing heads. It comes over the loudspeakers that the Giants have won the Superbowl. The end. Neither the skill of the Giants or the Patriots mattered. All their preparation, dedication, and years of work have been rendered completely meaningless. The Giants have a hollow win because they didn't actually do anything to affect the outcome, and the Patriots have a bitter defeat because there was absolutely nothing they could do to change the result. And yeah, sure, the coin was shiny. But you've also been robbed of actually watching what you came to see.
even though it is loaded with rng before yogg the rng was way more healthier. it wasnt fully healthy because of knife juggler, but your opponent winning for doing absolutely nothing the whole game is worse than a few lucky juggles. the game does have alot of rng but yogg pushes this shit way over the edge and should absolutely be banned in tournaments because it rewards the player for doing nothing except using shitty spells.
Sure Yogg might be an unfitting card in the tournaments because of his "randomfactor" but honestly I like it. It gives hope and makes way for some insane entertaining comebacks, and that's what the competitive scene is about: being entertaining.
really, if it entertains you more to watch a world-qualifier coin-flip game than to watch a game that's decided based on player skill, I think blizzard has messed up on hearthstone. It takes a lot of preparation and money to put players there and the fact that the game is not even decided by their skill is really really sad.
Skill? Every Cardgame has some RNG in it. Has nothing to do with Skill if you are unlucky with your draws lol. Cardgames are RNG. And Yogg is Master of RNG. It can win you the Game or Blow up your own face. The USE of said Cards is the only Skillbased thing a Cardgame can offer.
People complain that Yogg Saaron oiis luck based, but Hearthstone has never been totally luck based : A lot of cards are random, and just the mulligan and the draw of cards ... 75% skill, 25% of luck !
But that's true for every card game my friend, tell me one card game where there's absolutely 0 RNG involved, there isn't one because it's impossible, so going from your logic, every card game is bad because there's RNG involved in drawing cards But I don't know many card games with cards like Yogg so yeah
EvryDamnDay sure the games have become faster than it used to be (like 2006-2008) but most of the games do go on for more than 6 turns(which is comparable to 10-12 turns in hearthstone
I've scored them on the following system: -1 killed the player from a decent position, -0.5 left the player in a significantly worse position, 0 didn't change the board state much or killed player from a position of already being dead on board, +0.25 slightly better board state, +0.5 much better board state, +1 completely saved from lethal or much better game position. Yogg is a 10 drop that requires the deck to be partially built around him so I would expect around +0.4 or +0.5 on average. My average score across the 20 games is +0.4 so Yogg typically gives a great outcome, but no more than you would expect for such an expensive card.
I was thinking the same thing. When I saw how nervous these guys were over the Yogg plays flashing themselves, and then considering how much money is on the line, it is like all the bells and whistles of that big streak at the gambling house.
One of the only legendaries that I've willingly made golden. Unfortunate he shifted out, but now he's coming back. So, we'll see if he has the same presence as he did before.
Congratulations. You just stopped ALL discussions on Yogg-Saron, the state of the competitive scene and the future of Hearthstone. Nice job. You did great
hearthstone is a great game nothing for be wrong buz i personally enjoy rng is so much fun and jogg personally is and was a fair card because shure he can win but he can also lose you the game so yeah
That card should be banned from tournaments, or at least the big ones, such as World Championships or Qualifiers. I know Hearthstone has a large RNG component to it ... but come on. Stealing games on ladder with a Yogg is one thing. A Thing I am totally fine with. Stealing games in a World Championship Qualifier with a Yogg is just downright cheating and shouldn't be allowed : we're watching these games to see pros play and show their skill, not to see yet another game stolen by a Yogg. In that context it just sickens me.
Tywin Lannister I myself use yogg, and he has killed me more than saved me. There is the chance of pyroblast to your own face. This also counts for all damage-dealing-can-be-used-on-all-characters cards. Yogg is a risk you have to take, since he can(and probably will) kill you. Yogg can also kill you with draw "x" cards if you don't have any cards left, so he is a risk you have to take. I myself don't think he is overpowered and thus disagree with you. So to sum it up real fast, Yogg can also kill your own hero, and I disagree with you since I get killed by my Yogg more than saved.
one time I had game completely won, I was playing freeze mage with yogg, I played it just for the lolz, since I had iceblock I didnt cared much, and had 14 spells on it. I had 3 cards left, that shit draw me like 15 cards.... and I lost with 30hp and a iceblock, because of the fatigue
yogg is such a bullshit card, it has no counter play and you just drop it when you're losing and hope you get a board clear. should be tournament banned
I agree. Kripparian even said this is why hearthstones ratings are tanking. When "pros" win 5/100 tournaments (1/20) then it really isn't a professional game. It's just RNG. Poker players probably have better odds of winning than hearthstone players.
the thing is: card draw is essential to cardgames but yogg doesnt even have to play spells from your class. that is just stupid for a competitive environment
Yup. And while we're at it, ban all card games. Too much potential for lucky or unlucky draws. Henceforth, all tournaments are now a judged deck building competition. And Yogg will always be counted as a loss, instead of being a gamble that will sometimes win, sometimes kill you, and most of the time be distinctly mediocre.
What do you define that as though? Would you ban sylvannas? As that can have more than a 50/50 to "win" with her effect. What about ragnaros? You need to define your meaning better.
alright yea, cards that are printed to either dratsically benefit the turn player or fuck them over yogg for example to much rng, i think cards like sylvanas are alright
No he was crying because he got knocked out of a chance to win a large part of the $100,000 prize pool, on the back of a fucking stupid card interaction. Yogg is just dumb
no I understand the argument. the thing is that hearthstone isn't competitive to begin with, and people trying to take it seriously isn't really the games fault. I'd argue nzoth is ridiculously powerful with huge swings (and could be even more broken depending on deathrattle available ) death wing always gives you a 12/12 and a board clear which can be huge. not that yog can't do more than that. but it usually doesnt. again, I think it's more an issue with the state of the game as a whole
Luck based game explains why before Yogg was introduced we saw the same familiar faces and how after he was introduced we see a bunch of randoms no one knows. I guess before Yogg came those same few professional players were just lucky over and over again. No skill at all. Kappa.
Ok, what i saw here is this : Won/save the game : 3 Advantage : 9 50/50 : 5 Disadvantage : 1 Lost the game : 2 So, what's a big deal for a 10 mana card, which is supposed ton won the game, like N'zoth or C'thun ? You are a way too focused on the "random" effect, but in fact, there is nothing wrong with yogg.
It can be fun in constructed, but yogg saron have to be banned. There is already too much Rng in the game, it's killing all the competivity that is left.
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Blizzard: LOOK AT ALL THESE CRAZY REACTIONS BY THE PLAYERS! PEOPLE LOVE THIS SHIT!
*Proceeds to add even more RNG cards next expansion*
Skill.
Please vote hearthstone for competitive game of the year
Luck is the new Skill
And we know they watch Toast like a hawk for what to patch. You joke, but this could be a deadly combination.
Yogg-Saron: if you are lucky, you clear the board. If you are not, you'll deck out yourself. Welcome to the Hearthstone Casino.
Dude's look on his face every time an opponent plays Yogg says it all. Dude looks like he wants to cry every time.
Wow, dude was REALLY LUCKY at 13:18 , caster thought it was lethal, but he only had one charge of the doomhammer, that topdeck lightning bolt actually gave him lethal. Surprising they didn't notice this.
he had way over lethal
doomhammer attacks twice
edit: oh wow, only one weapon charge!
Never mind, you are correct, i did not see that either
There was only 1 durability left on the doomhammer
soyacan
yeah, i noticed when i rewatched that.was a good catch, i was mistaken
+k4ffein my fault, said rockbiter instead of doomhammer, fixed now.
I think I deserved the topdeck considering that yogg :)
step 1 : play spells
step 2 : play yogg
step 3 : ???
step 4 : ESPORT !
At least we know yogg helped create esport.
Kill*
Kavriel Then the steps are wrong.
Stephen Dias i meant it creates what we usually call esport* ironically, but it actually is killing the esport scene.
that should be a Reynad comment lol
From what i have gathered from the comments there are 2 opinions about Yogg-Saron....\
The first one is this 0:32
And the other one is this 0:35
Welcome to Hearthstone 2016 where you play your games and then Yogg-Saron decides who wins!
-draw 3 cards, clear the board,, get 2 mage secrets and a hunter secret
not an AMAZING yogg-saron....
nice to see Rooftrellen actually having fun at a tournament.
"draw yogg? play yogg. sit back and laugh."
Better ban Yogg or no E-Sportserino , sry Blizzard ^^
Batstone
+Prometheus Euw
Well Hearthstone can't be a real esport anyway and Yogg make tournaments good enough to watch ^^
But having some card forbidden like in Yugioh tournament could be a good idea
TheLink 99 Yugioh has no rotation system so that's why they have to ban cards and they also have real cards so they can't nerf / buff them ^^
Actually Yogg is just too strong but i don't want that card to be nerf because it's a card made for fun, so just wait 1 year and get your tournaments with 2 aggros fighting each other in the face ^^
Yogg is easy to patch. They just have to increase the odds of astral communion.
Is HotMEOWTH okay? He looks like he's getting a bad brain freeze.
I thought he was trying to channel the Yogg power through his brain, at first.
NotLikeThis
I thought he had never seen a Yogg before or something, he looked fucking braindead.
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He's so fucking cringy lol
Foreal watching him was pissing me off like calm your ass down its hearthstone
I might actually start watching tournaments thanks to yogg. Better than watching a bunch of ladder decks like face shaman face each other.
jesus christ is every player in every tournament using yogg ?
I mean with a Battlecry: Random chance to win the game. Why wouldn't you?
they dont feel no shame. Shame. Shame. Shame.
You would also use it¡
Confess Confess Confess¡
You'd be crazy not to. Yogg replaces the concede button with a roulette.
some sweet2 yoggs against zoo and shaman. 4 7/7 cool
Yogg-Saron, E-sport's end
12:31
Dude: You won but at what cost.
Topopablo: Everything
competitive hearthstone is a rumor right ?
Wow, this was a quality tournament, these Yogg players are amazing.
Yogg is so broken he played a card that wasn't even legal in the tournament he was played in!
While these are funny to watch, they also illustrate how utterly terrible Yogg's existence is for competitive play.
wow they are so skilled playing yogg in tournaments
"wow they are so skilled playing face shaman in tournaments"
fix'd it for you
What about "wow they are so skilled playing face shaman and yogg in tournaments"?
because playing face shaman and yogg take alot of skill to be on top level
Dude couldnt handle the god of death smh
yog is fun. the fact competitive players feel comfortable even putting it in their deck speaks more to the state of the game than the card itself.
if the game itself was more consistent a card that could just as easily kill you or do nothing wouldn't even be played.
people are angry that yog helped win a couple games. it's literally a 10 mana card. it's supposed to be powerful, and yog isn't even consistently that.
people are so hellbent on hating yog that they'll completely ignore the fact that in game 1 it beat a zoo deck. which is consistently cancer.
tldr: yog isn't the problem. it's the state of the game as a whole.
also hearthstone isn't a competitive game anyway. not every game has to be. it's not even a negative
Yogg doesn't help with consistency though, so it just heavily compounds a pre-existing problem.
I agree with that. but I find early game rng swings way more problematic like
knife juggler, flamewaker, tuskar, flame juggler, etc.
also so many of the spells have become completely random as well.
again not an issue with yog. I think yog itself is an absolute blast. but the games next expansion needs to be more consistent to start lessening the prominence of rng ( not remove it)
just like how gvg was basically rng the expac. we need an expac that is very rng lite. imo
You miss the crux of the argument. In fact, most competitive players DO NOT feel comfortable with putting Yogg in and are, in fact, almost forced into doing it because it is such a ridiculous card. That's why there are a lot of pro players are now pushing for card bans for competitive.
There are literally no other cards that can cause a swing from certain-loss to certain-win. Name me a 10 mana card that swings you as hard as Yogg? For 10 mana it plays x amount of rnd-mana spells which is worth as an aggregate a whole fucking lot more than 10 mana. Your argument about it being a 10 mana card and therefore an alright state of 'powerful' is pretty invalid.
You can be outplayed the whole game and win only because of Yogg RNG. You can't counter Yogg when it's played and the only realistic option to counter Yogg is to win before it's played, i.e. aggro decks, the other cancer of card games. Zoo decks are fine to play against. That deck has to trade and maintain board control. What people REALLY have a problem with are FACE decks - Shaman and pre-Whispers Hunter. What's the common factor between these decks and Yogg? They're both uninteractive.
You know that even the best players with the highest win% on ladder in the world now struggle to qualify for PRELIMINARIES in tournaments because the win% probability is so low? Viewer ratings for HS games are dropping and fewer higher ranked players actually even bother to qualify for tournaments. Someone did the maths that removing Yogg (and other similar RNG swing cards) would improve chances to win by almost 3 times as much (check the TempoStorm site for the article).
Yogg IS the Hearthstone problem personified as a card. Some RNG is good to keep the game interesting (take Sylvanas, for example), but too much RNG just makes the game uninteresting because it's uninteractive. You aren't doing anything.
tl;dr: Yogg has huge swings that renders all the skilled play before it down to a coin flip and people hate uninteractive shit.
Totally agree with you, how many games i lost in ladder, outplaying the opponent from turn 1 to 9, even with arcane "BS" giant, then Dr10 turn, man, equality consecration, flame strike, call of the wild etc etc.
Really annoying. It doesn't matter what deck you play, zoo, malyrogue, priest resurrect (my ladders decks), if i don't won by turn9, all the moves before (ten turns, that's time and reflexions) are completely worthless, because of yogg. Even if it's not winning the game, Yogg puts the game in kind of neutral position, impossible to counter, unilaterally choose, and that's not fair. Kind of a "Diktat"
Favyn When the game-winning RNG happens in the first 3 minutes, at least you haven't wasted 15-20 minutes.
Watching this again years later felt really nostalgic to me seeing what Heaethstone used to be back then.
I was always kind of bewildered over how powerful the Old Gods seemed compared to previous end-game legendaries, but i never expected Yogg-Saron to be the best one. Yogg is interesting in his rng, because at least with Sylvanas or Ragnaros or good ol' Nat Pagle you could say that the randomness evens out over time and they will give a steady amount of wanted and unwanted outcomes. But Yogg has soo many possibilities and such an astounding variety of outcomes. Blizzard is obviously ok with rng in general, but i wonder if they ever realized Yogg would also be as powerful as he is.
The pascoa yogg was the one that really got me. Yogg literally defied the rules of the tournament to bring this guy the win lmao
...Did the first dude cry?
I would've too, you're winning big and then a guy plays Yogg and destroys your board to go on and win next turn, leaving you out of a big championship.
Then you shouldn't have played "competitive" Hearthstone.
Yeah I don't think he was upset enough...
He was playing zoolock so it was all he deserved
That's not a valid reason. I feel bad for him. He didn't deserve that.
completely forgot googling yogg moments out of nostalgic curiosity would bring me to a toast vid
*BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF COMPETITIVE HEARTHSTONE!!*
13:50 Yogg Saron eats your Soul.
This is actually kind of embarassing to watch. Yogg-Saron is single handedly killing Hearthstone for me right now because every game it's played in makes that game feel completely arbitrary. This is the terrible kind of RNG that I wish Hearthstone had less of.
Yogg is not a coin flip, it chooses spells randomly from the entire catalog of Hearthstone. So if you're losing every time someone plays a Yogg, you're suffering from some lousy luck.
Coin flip.
no, it's not a coin flip, it's a DnD player's dice collection thrown in a blender to determine the game. neither player has any control over the outcome, and 7ish times out of 10 it *will* determine the game. this, and cards like this are why I haven't really played HS since WotG came out. and I thought the shredder meta was toxic. good grief.
WARNING YOU HAVE ENTERED THE NO FUN ZONE!
Now you know how I feel about Dr. Boom. But completely arbitrary is a complete exaggeration.
So to all the people who don't see the problem with Yogg, allow me to draw a parallel. Say you're watching american football. The entire season, the Giants and the Patriots have had this back and forth, neck and neck series. It all comes down to them at the Superbowl. The players stride out to take the field. They've trained their entire season for this. Countless hours of practice. They crowd around the referees to see who will go first. The coin is tossed, landing heads. It comes over the loudspeakers that the Giants have won the Superbowl. The end.
Neither the skill of the Giants or the Patriots mattered. All their preparation, dedication, and years of work have been rendered completely meaningless. The Giants have a hollow win because they didn't actually do anything to affect the outcome, and the Patriots have a bitter defeat because there was absolutely nothing they could do to change the result. And yeah, sure, the coin was shiny. But you've also been robbed of actually watching what you came to see.
Watching this hurt my soul. Yogg absolutely needs to be banned from any legit tournaments
There will be never be "legit hearthstone", its always gonna be loaded with rng
That has to be the worst argument ever. Please don't speak ever again.
even though it is loaded with rng before yogg the rng was way more healthier. it wasnt fully healthy because of knife juggler, but your opponent winning for doing absolutely nothing the whole game is worse than a few lucky juggles. the game does have alot of rng but yogg pushes this shit way over the edge and should absolutely be banned in tournaments because it rewards the player for doing nothing except using shitty spells.
then ban all rng
kiranearitachi Ban Hearthstone?
Yogg should be banned from tournaments.
He is, look at how everyone is still alive!
Man these games might have been RNG, but god were they fun to watch. I miss Yogg.
5:50 Зубенко Михаил Петрович
Sure Yogg might be an unfitting card in the tournaments because of his "randomfactor" but honestly I like it. It gives hope and makes way for some insane entertaining comebacks, and that's what the competitive scene is about: being entertaining.
You have the right idea! What's the point if it's not entertaining!
really, if it entertains you more to watch a world-qualifier coin-flip game than to watch a game that's decided based on player skill, I think blizzard has messed up on hearthstone. It takes a lot of preparation and money to put players there and the fact that the game is not even decided by their skill is really really sad.
Skill? Every Cardgame has some RNG in it. Has nothing to do with Skill if you are unlucky with your draws lol. Cardgames are RNG.
And Yogg is Master of RNG. It can win you the Game or Blow up your own face.
The USE of said Cards is the only Skillbased thing a Cardgame can offer.
People complain that Yogg Saaron oiis luck based, but Hearthstone has never been totally luck based : A lot of cards are random, and just the mulligan and the draw of cards ... 75% skill, 25% of luck !
MEGALUL
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more like 75% luck 25% skill
SuperOblivionfan x)
But that's true for every card game my friend, tell me one card game where there's absolutely 0 RNG involved, there isn't one because it's impossible, so going from your logic, every card game is bad because there's RNG involved in drawing cards
But I don't know many card games with cards like Yogg so yeah
When wotog came out: Yeah, its just a silly fun legendary
Now: Yog-saron druid top of the meta, used in competitive play
13:18 The grill caster omg. Misses that dude had only one charge on his "Rockbiter" and only won with the top deck.
"HotMeowth"? Far from it...
Lemme make a jokeerino: Hearthstone as an e-sport.
btw 7:10 that face XXXXXXXXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDD
Rooftrellen is my new favorite player. Dem facial expressions doe rofl!!!
Is the joke that you watch Kripp on a constructed video>?
7:07 This is the face of e-sports!
Eric Frock mouth breathers?
@9:58 "That's not really an incredible Yogg"
It's a 7/5, a 1/1, two 2/3 taunts, explosive trap, and added Grommash to his hand.
Expresion of first person shows exactly why, Yogg has no place in serious tournament.
Because Hearthstone is SO serious. Can we plz stop implying Esport has to be 100% serious? o.o A tournament should be about fun aswell.
rng shit like this is the reason i gave up hearthstone and started playing yugioh again
Plus in Yu-Gi-Oh if u have faith in the heart of ur deck u get rewarded,u dont get an opponent playing a Yagg top deck at turn 10 :P
Well thats because the game is over after two turns in yugioh. There is no turn 10
EvryDamnDay sure the games have become faster than it used to be (like 2006-2008) but most of the games do go on for more than 6 turns(which is comparable to 10-12 turns in hearthstone
play magic
MrBaris115 not anymore. If youre playing a good deck it ends by turn 6 lol. My friend just topped an event and didnt have a game go over three turns
>Hearthstone and Esport<
Best joke for those who come early.
they changed yogg today to go back to infinite spells so i came here to get ready
I'm in a toast video :o
you were too lucky about that top deck
5:36 The two dudes on the left look like "Yogg'd: Before & After" Hahahhahahaaa
Lol, Arcane Giant is banned but Yogg isn't?
Karazhan was banned
banned from where ?
This was before the whole set was released, so for that tournament, yes, the Karazhan cards were banned.
Didn't stop Yogg, tho. LUL
karazhan cards were not banned from the tournament :S
I've scored them on the following system: -1 killed the player from a decent position, -0.5 left the player in a significantly worse position, 0 didn't change the board state much or killed player from a position of already being dead on board, +0.25 slightly better board state, +0.5 much better board state, +1 completely saved from lethal or much better game position.
Yogg is a 10 drop that requires the deck to be partially built around him so I would expect around +0.4 or +0.5 on average. My average score across the 20 games is +0.4 so Yogg typically gives a great outcome, but no more than you would expect for such an expensive card.
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This is like playing the horses!
I was thinking the same thing. When I saw how nervous these guys were over the Yogg plays flashing themselves, and then considering how much money is on the line, it is like all the bells and whistles of that big streak at the gambling house.
The perfect way to spend my marketing class is a video by toast.
This is so depressing
Yogg, play memacito
6:58 dat face..
ESPORTS
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Funny how even blizz's hired casters mock purify at 11:00, it being "bad in priest, won't be good in druid".
Frodan looking like Pagan Min from Farcry 4
Yesterday I was trying to find clips of esports yoggs. Toast has answered my prayers.
This is why people don't take Hearthstone's competitive scene seriously, among other reasons.
This used to be an overwatch channel... FellsBadMan
Eww. Get out of here Overwatch.
No it didn't
Meme
people dont understand this joke... FeelsBadMan
wow, disguised toast making trolden videos
"Live by the Yogg, die by the Yogg" Beautiful words BibleThump
Disguised toast being nothing but a Wizardpoker in disguise? #Kappa
One of the only legendaries that I've willingly made golden. Unfortunate he shifted out, but now he's coming back. So, we'll see if he has the same presence as he did before.
All i can think of is darkk mane using yogg
13:22 They didnt even realize that this guys Doomhammer only had 1 charge left and that he topdecked exact lethal
Stop complaining about Yogg, Hearthstone was never a competitive game...
Congratulations. You just stopped ALL discussions on Yogg-Saron, the state of the competitive scene and the future of Hearthstone. Nice job. You did great
hearthstone is a great game nothing for be wrong buz i personally enjoy rng is so much fun and jogg personally is and was a fair card because shure he can win but he can also lose you the game so yeah
8:05 "That's so unfortunate"
That card should be banned from tournaments, or at least the big ones, such as World Championships or Qualifiers.
I know Hearthstone has a large RNG component to it ... but come on.
Stealing games on ladder with a Yogg is one thing. A Thing I am totally fine with.
Stealing games in a World Championship Qualifier with a Yogg is just downright cheating and shouldn't be allowed : we're watching these games to see pros play and show their skill, not to see yet another game stolen by a Yogg. In that context it just sickens me.
Tywin Lannister I myself use yogg, and he has killed me more than saved me. There is the chance of pyroblast to your own face. This also counts for all damage-dealing-can-be-used-on-all-characters cards. Yogg is a risk you have to take, since he can(and probably will) kill you. Yogg can also kill you with draw "x" cards if you don't have any cards left, so he is a risk you have to take. I myself don't think he is overpowered and thus disagree with you.
So to sum it up real fast, Yogg can also kill your own hero, and I disagree with you since I get killed by my Yogg more than saved.
one time I had game completely won, I was playing freeze mage with yogg, I played it just for the lolz, since I had iceblock I didnt cared much, and had 14 spells on it. I had 3 cards left, that shit draw me like 15 cards.... and I lost with 30hp and a iceblock, because of the fatigue
And it is banned now, if iam Correct.
Praise lord Yogg-Saron !!! The best card of this game !!!
I've been playing since beta and Yogg-Saron is my all time favorite card
7:19 turn himself into a sheep and banish himself to the shadow relm ladies and gentlemen yogsaron
This card is fucking disgusting, it should be banned from tournaments and ladder, let it be viable in casual and tavern brawl only...
thank u Ive always out match my opponent but then out comes the yogg and rapes me Every time and I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME fuck that card
competitive killed my favorite card back in this time... thanks for all involved
Do you know the muffinman?
"Bow down before the oppressive card."
yogg is such a bullshit card, it has no counter play and you just drop it when you're losing and hope you get a board clear. should be tournament banned
you are just mad becus you do not have yog well i dont eather
because cthun has counterplay right
I agree. Kripparian even said this is why hearthstones ratings are tanking. When "pros" win 5/100 tournaments (1/20) then it really isn't a professional game. It's just RNG. Poker players probably have better odds of winning than hearthstone players.
6:58 His face when he drops Yogg lmao
Competitive Skillstone is such a fucking joke
4:40 my favourite moment. SeemsGood
so this is a hearthstone "championship" huh?
Yogg giveth, Yogg taketh away.
Some of these players look like they have fucking PTSD. Ban Yogg in the name of mental health.
5:09 Yogg Givith and Yogg Taketh
and the commentators scream and shout as if it took skill, ban every card that requires more than a 50/50 from the tournement scene
May as well ban card draw as well, since thats more than a 50/50
the thing is: card draw is essential to cardgames but yogg doesnt even have to play spells from your class. that is just stupid for a competitive environment
Yup. And while we're at it, ban all card games. Too much potential for lucky or unlucky draws. Henceforth, all tournaments are now a judged deck building competition. And Yogg will always be counted as a loss, instead of being a gamble that will sometimes win, sometimes kill you, and most of the time be distinctly mediocre.
What do you define that as though? Would you ban sylvannas? As that can have more than a 50/50 to "win" with her effect. What about ragnaros? You need to define your meaning better.
alright yea, cards that are printed to either dratsically benefit the turn player or fuck them over yogg for example to much rng, i think cards like sylvanas are alright
Dude looked like he was going to have a stroke if someone played another Yogg
"E-sports"
I wish I counted how many times Songbird said "Oh My Goodness" through the whole Summer Champs
Some of those yoggs did barley anything and Hotmeowth is crying like he's getting assraped
hahahahahahah
6:55 Rooftrellen's face = I'm ready for the skill! >u
This topo guy is really unlucky :(
0:34 every rng winners face in hearthstone.
Why do all these players look cringe af? Especially hotmeowth, guy needs an excorcism
Doobie uwu “GUY NEEDS AN EXORCISM”
6:55 when ur opponent has that face and he plays yogg-saron....fk my life!
Wow poor guy was crying because of rng
He was crying from the whispers of how futile his life is!
You must the CEO of an important company right?
No he was crying because he got knocked out of a chance to win a large part of the $100,000 prize pool, on the back of a fucking stupid card interaction. Yogg is just dumb
no I understand the argument. the thing is that hearthstone isn't competitive to begin with, and people trying to take it seriously isn't really the games fault.
I'd argue nzoth is ridiculously powerful with huge swings (and could be even more broken depending on deathrattle available )
death wing always gives you a 12/12 and a board clear which can be huge.
not that yog can't do more than that. but it usually doesnt. again, I think it's more an issue with the state of the game as a whole
Yogg is so much fun, I keep login in just to play him.
fun=yes
however that doesn't excuse the fact that the summer tournament was kind of shit because of him
But this is a tournament.
Teodor Bibita It's a luck based game after all.
Luck based game explains why before Yogg was introduced we saw the same familiar faces and how after he was introduced we see a bunch of randoms no one knows.
I guess before Yogg came those same few professional players were just lucky over and over again. No skill at all.
Kappa.
Jay Ashborne if you want skill then go play Magic. Simple solution.
That psycho look at 6:57! he knows that shit will hit the fan!
Ok, what i saw here is this :
Won/save the game : 3
Advantage : 9
50/50 : 5
Disadvantage : 1
Lost the game : 2
So, what's a big deal for a 10 mana card, which is supposed ton won the game, like N'zoth or C'thun ? You are a way too focused on the "random" effect, but in fact, there is nothing wrong with yogg.
5:38 "Hearthstone...!"
Kinda says it all. Extremely amusing and entertaining but not really competitive.
It can be fun in constructed, but yogg saron have to be banned. There is already too much Rng in the game, it's killing all the competivity that is left.
There was never any competitive
As much as I agree with you, I'm not sure if it's necessary to type it under any comment that mentions competetive hearthstone.
Yung Venuz so you are telling me that ranked position is all random?
competivity LUL
Clearly, Yung Venuz doesn't have a life. Nothing to see here
And it happened again this year with Yog box during grand finals, blizzard never learns