So you want to start a mushroom farm- volume and sales

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  • @rockyrivermushrooms529
    @rockyrivermushrooms529 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is very sobering advice and I appreciate your insights.

  • @NineOneSeven
    @NineOneSeven 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Angel, thank you for your video. I follow many mushrooms producer youtubers, and many of them don't talk realistic. They just want the views, but don't give real info! They are just tittles. Thank you!

  • @jimwroe2292
    @jimwroe2292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love the real talk relating to your personal journey! I must however say that here in the UK, there are lots of small growers that do just fine focusing on farmers markets and direct to restaurant business models.
    I guess it depends on your definition of "real money" 🤔
    Keep making these videos though buddy! Really enjoying your insights :)

  • @Realmediamashup
    @Realmediamashup 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The real world just kicked my mushroom growing fantasy strait in the bean bags. How long was it before you were able to get into wholesale and how many pounds per week do you have to produce to be worth a wholesalers attention? Your farm is gorgeous and your content is gold. Thanks.

  • @JayJayLee
    @JayJayLee ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't know if you will see this comment because of how old the video is but, I just want to let you know you have been such a huge influence and really keep the business side of mushroom cultivating very real. I appreciate all the free game you give :D

  • @Wurt234
    @Wurt234 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the "realistic" information!! It's great to see other farmers in their success, but most do not talk about the struggle of getting started. I am trying to start up my farm and your videos are giving me a more realistic view what to expect.

  • @sjanger4196
    @sjanger4196 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Now that"s the kind of no bullshit reflection the people need. Keep it real, T.R. It"s why we love ya.

  • @TriniMuppetShow
    @TriniMuppetShow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how real you are. I'm working on a business plan right now and it's really sobering to hear your experiences. I'm not in the US so I have to do a lot of footwork with regards to my research and market data. Thank you for all the information!

    • @tomcatmeow69
      @tomcatmeow69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      interesting stuff for sure, what country are you in? I'm in Canada and going to start one as well maybe we can collaborate on a plan together.

  • @lololollaughatlife1431
    @lololollaughatlife1431 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really want to get into the mushroom business so I’m gonna set up in a large sized shed I have in my backyard. So much too set up in preparation though. And I lack the construction skills and mushrooms are new to me. But I love this area of produce and I think I can do it!!! Thx for your encouragement.

  • @SooperToober
    @SooperToober 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow wow wow! I am sooo grateful he is sharing so candidly! I came from high tech retail and it was always about razor thin margins and making it on volume by scaling fast n efficiently

  • @sonydroid2253
    @sonydroid2253 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for sharing your experiences brother. God bless you and your efforts. Peace love and respect.

  • @whodidit99
    @whodidit99 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If there are too many big sellers, price will drop and volume won't save you. Fortunately, the profession is so difficult that it could takes years to get to the saturation point.

  • @Rickgrant1984
    @Rickgrant1984 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very valuable information brother thankyou! I plan on growing as a part-time job. However, full-time is the ultimate goal. I've got 8 quart jars of blue oysters that are ready to meet a substrate that I inoculated with a spore syringe. And an 10x8x20 greenhouse that I purchased. Wish me luck growers and any knowledge is welcomed with open arms.

    • @garethlfoster
      @garethlfoster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hows your mushroom growing going pal?

    • @austinmoreno8486
      @austinmoreno8486 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah for reals how’s it goin

  • @rickslick6430
    @rickslick6430 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    everything you teach is gold

  • @ajthegardener
    @ajthegardener 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And thanks for the advice means alot coming from u. Ok so i was on the right path by looking to sell for the market price and looking the grow.

  • @cryptopirate8880
    @cryptopirate8880 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    im in salinas monterey county always cool here hottest days are like 76 to 85 degrees maybe a good place to grow.

  • @permanentlyhigh7829
    @permanentlyhigh7829 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey TR thanks a lot for sharing all that inside appreciate it I 'm looking to make a few bones extra in retirement got time to learn more about it so thanks a bunch

  • @markhook499
    @markhook499 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good Times bad times I like the way you tell it like it is

  • @markhook499
    @markhook499 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    TR have you looked into using geothermal cooling?

  • @killerkennyas
    @killerkennyas 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Earth angel,earth angel.....the one i adore

  • @witetylr
    @witetylr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I also think its what city your in. If you live in a town with a low population its gonna be tough. But here in Sacramento there's like 10 Vegan restaurants alone.

  • @FEV369
    @FEV369 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm looking to *later* get into mushroom growing but your video left me with some simple basic questions. You talk about being a large scale grower as the only way to make it, what does that mean? basically, how much room does someone need as well as volume of weight produced in that room to be "successful." Then are there any rough numbers for profits and costs?
    I assume you off the top of your head know the general numbers if you are willing to share.
    Simply 1000k sqft indoor = 115k$ gross a year - overhead = profits. Something like that so I have an idea of what space is needed, volume is needed in that space and what my overhead to do that SHOULD look like. If you can answer this for me that would be great.
    You mentioned dealing with a third party seller, is that usually easily found, if so where would I look?
    Thanks!

    • @chrisnuenthel8937
      @chrisnuenthel8937 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well it's all relative. Such as how much can ur substrate produce, how long does it take to colonize and fruit, etc. If it takes 5 days to colonize, a week to finish fruiting, you have high yielding substrates you'll make more. Some varieties take a three weeks to fish fruiting, usually it's around 3 weeks to a month to colonize, and one should expect something like an oyster with biological efficiencies around 150-190 percent to produce one pound on a five pound block the first flush. Half that on the second. But it's all relative, like Lions mane has a biological efficency around 90-140 percent and I saw this guy produce three pounds on a five pound block, but that's probably due to the strain he used and substrate mix. U should always low ball figures. Expect one pound of oysters on a five pound block first flush, if u get three that's good but don't expect three and then get one. So you can produce something like 90 pounds in a relatively small space, but then how to sell it. Farmers market, maybe sell 15-20 pounds if lucky, if really lucky more. Then go through chefs and try and grab one to sell to. Talk to retail stores. It could be challenging to sell just that small amount but if u land a chef or retail u'll have to be consistent with schedules.

    • @chrisnuenthel8937
      @chrisnuenthel8937 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can take a five pound sample to willing chefs. If they like it they'll buy.

  • @Ryfi33
    @Ryfi33 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good info, thanks.

  • @responsiblerecovery6479
    @responsiblerecovery6479 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    GREAT VIDEO - THANK YOU :)

  • @JewellsGardens
    @JewellsGardens 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Bigger is always better 😃

  • @DieAlphaEnte
    @DieAlphaEnte 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for dropping some numbers!

  • @Laotzsa
    @Laotzsa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eric Myers seems to be doing fine with direct to chef sales. I could be wrong but doesn’t seem like he’s selling thousands of pounds for such a low price

  • @quincyadams1961
    @quincyadams1961 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    what u think is alot of money is not alot of money, thanks for the help

  • @JoeSmith-sl9bq
    @JoeSmith-sl9bq 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you do with mushrooms that aren't sold in time?

  • @johnemmenecker4859
    @johnemmenecker4859 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you package and approach stores directly?

    • @earthangelmushrooms2118
      @earthangelmushrooms2118  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely

    • @johnemmenecker4859
      @johnemmenecker4859 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@earthangelmushrooms2118 where does the 3$/lb come into play? If you approach stores you should be able to get 70-80% of the stores asking price

    • @johnemmenecker4859
      @johnemmenecker4859 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@earthangelmushrooms2118 I’m planning on going commercial and would love to speak with you sometime. I’ve got a lot of questions and would love to start networking.

    • @johnemmenecker4859
      @johnemmenecker4859 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@earthangelmushrooms2118 why are shittakes, lions mane, and oysters at not Kroger’s or other grocery stores?

  • @bartacomuskidd775
    @bartacomuskidd775 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ​@UCcNaaUNToCtHleDVIeu5ueg You mention "volume" will save you in several videos. Can you give us an example of a "crash" that would put the zap on a small grower?

    • @projectnemesi5950
      @projectnemesi5950 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In many businesses, demand for volume fluctuations are within a constant minimum and maximum. So moving more and more volume decreases the percentage affect on your profit.
      EDIT: For example, if the min max fluctuation in volume is -50 units to +50 units, then more volume will stabilize your profits. If you move 250 units, that is -20% to +20% volume fluctuation (which COULD directly be your percentage effect on profit). But if you move 1000 units, that is -5% to +5%, which is much more tolerable.

  • @aiden9472
    @aiden9472 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey TR, who's the seller in Los Angeles?

  • @TheDMTLover
    @TheDMTLover 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you.

  • @chriscaporaso442
    @chriscaporaso442 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for this I am just starting

  • @dingus8265
    @dingus8265 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What would you use instead of straw?

  • @riggy7328
    @riggy7328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great info

  • @VW.907
    @VW.907 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dang, that's a hell of a price differential.

  • @MinnesotaTurtle
    @MinnesotaTurtle 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Might seem like a stupid question - but can you reuse substrate? Or what is your waste stream like? Do you just burn it?

    • @nullnool5187
      @nullnool5187 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, the only thing your substrate is good for after it has been depleted of nutrients is compost.

    • @williamdyer3999
      @williamdyer3999 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sell mushroom compost to gardening outlets. Here in Oregon there is a great demand for it.

    • @Dollapfin
      @Dollapfin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      tadwollop mushroom compost is very good for soil I would totally be using it in bulk if I had some. Only have my own which is meager.

  • @jose5melendez
    @jose5melendez 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey TR, good stuff. I am just now starting to consistantly push 50 bag batches per week... pretty small scale because this is just a side thing for me. So my focus for now is restaurants and farmers market. When you decided to make that jump, did you go straight to distributors or did you go to stores first?

    • @earthangelmushrooms2118
      @earthangelmushrooms2118  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jose Melendez I never direct sold to restaurants

    • @davekohler5957
      @davekohler5957 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you go straight to food brokers?

    • @matthewscheeper8051
      @matthewscheeper8051 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@earthangelmushrooms2118 how can you form such a strong opinion that selling direct to restaurants doesn't work if you have never done it? I know it's volatile to deal with restaurants but what if it's half of your market stream and your well diversified? Say the other half is comprised of farmers markets, csa, roadside farm store.

    • @earthangelmushrooms2118
      @earthangelmushrooms2118  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewscheeper8051 because I'm a part of an extremely small industry and know a lot of folks. I've also been doing it for 8 years now. The market has changed drastically since this video. That said, go ahead and try to make a mushroom business with the model of selling to restaurants. You will be pretty much the sole business with that model at this point. If you can make an unproven business model work more power to you but it's a lot easier to swim with the current then against.

    • @ricardodealcantara
      @ricardodealcantara 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@earthangelmushrooms2118 TR what fundamentals do you think changed between this video and 2021? What you think are the major trends now???

  • @LOVEisTHEultimateLAW
    @LOVEisTHEultimateLAW 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why have you change from Agaricus to oysters, shiitake and kings ?

  • @mrcharming5053
    @mrcharming5053 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good advice

  • @cryptopirate8880
    @cryptopirate8880 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    can i grow in a used shipping container?

    • @adolfsackey8297
      @adolfsackey8297 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you need light, temperature and the right humidity. can you do that in the container? if so, then yes

    • @Dollapfin
      @Dollapfin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crypto Pirate I would definitely foam it, but yes it would work great.

  • @northfloridafungi9336
    @northfloridafungi9336 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    humble beginnings

  • @nikolaizaicev9297
    @nikolaizaicev9297 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would NOT advice anyone, to start that business or any other type of a farming business, UNLESS, you have a big load of money to invest from the start.
    1. Farming is a type of a market which is called in Economics: A Perfect Competition Market.
    What it basically means is, YOU do NOT set the price for your goods but instead ACCEPT it from the market. And if the market decides to offer you a price which is less than your costs, you are in a big trouble, because your product (mushrooms), does not differ from other mushrooms, aside from some minorities (organic etc). So, the market and distributors can do what they want to you, selling on the farmers market is not an option, as the author rightly pointed out in video.
    2. If you use 5 force's framework, you will see that, the industry is just horrible for earning any profits at a small scale, almost impossible.
    Basically, any Joe can start that type of a business, pushing down the market price everytime a new business opens, which will lead to the point where you can not even earn your cost back, which in following will lead to the closure of the business.
    Only the biggest and strongest will survive long term, trying to open a small business in an farming industry is doomed to a failure.

    • @earthangelmushrooms2118
      @earthangelmushrooms2118  5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      On paper this is all true. In reality, most will fail, but you should talk to the 1000s of small farms making a living completely destroying your pessimistic view. I would rather try and fail then have never tried. Our entire existence as capitalistic Americans has been people innovating and "changing the game." To sit back and say, "I'm just going to fail, i might as well just not even try" is not how myself and true entrepreneurs live life.

    • @nikolaizaicev9297
      @nikolaizaicev9297 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@earthangelmushrooms2118
      Just because 1000s of small scale farmers, have somehow survived for a 1-5 years, does not mean that it is just "on paper".
      We will see how many of those, will stay in business after those 5 years.
      Those who have survived are ether constatly in debt, or on the verge of bankrupcy, or do it as a side business covering the losses from the salary or other income, in the hope of growing the business.
      I do not mean to say that you do not have a single chance of surviving as a small scale business.
      What I mean to say is that by the nature of the industry, the odds are against such small business, compared to the same scale business in a service industry.
      And the only way to survive in primary sector, is growth of the business, for which you need money and business knowledge.
      Just trying to earn some money for living, works more or less ok, untill the market price falls deep down, because China exported +50% of Mushrooms in to USA this year. Or lets say the smaller shops were bouth by a chain monopolist, and now they want to pay ou 30% less, because they are the single distributor in your area now.
      Those are all possible long-term risks, while you are speeking from the point of short-term success of some farmers, which can change in a matter of days in opposite direction, due to the long-term risks.
      How do you want to "change" these "rules" of a game, no idea...

    • @earthangelmushrooms2118
      @earthangelmushrooms2118  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know of not a single small scale grower that has set their prices below market value. In fact they do the opposite in that their prices are higher than the large scale growers. So for the mushroom world, at least in the U.S. the "driving the price down" argument holds absolutely no water. You will never get me to disagree that the overwhelming majority of small scale farms will probably not make it. I think that's more more due to the "it's ridiculously hard to run any business" over your argument of "all small scale farms will fail because of set pricing."
      Are you a business owner? If so, I'd love to take a look at your website or social media page. Please send it over when you get a chance.

    • @nikolaizaicev9297
      @nikolaizaicev9297 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@earthangelmushrooms2118
      You contradict yourself in this case. You said by yourself, that you watch the market prices on websites and so on right?
      How do you think, how are those prices are set? Supply & Demand.
      Nobody will try to undercut you with prices in a direct way, I never said that, it works in another way.
      If all of a sudden, someone exports more Mushrooms in USA than people want to buy, than the seller will be forced to lower his price, to avoid that he will not be able to sell all of it.
      And because there is no difference among his Mushrooms and yours, the people will go and buy from him and not from you, so you will have to lower price also.
      So, the problem is that the price is in constant fluctuation.
      The only reason why you still can make some money, are the trade barriers enforced by Government.
      What happens if they disappear, you can see on an example of Air Flight Industry of 70s-80s
      -------------------------------
      Your argument is that some farmers still sell for higher prices, that may be true, the question is, for how long?
      Maybe you or they, are in an area, where you do not have a dominant distributor.
      So if one is not ready to take your price, you go to another one, as long as there is another distributor, it maky work over some short period of time
      But if they cooperate or one of them closes business, you are done.
      This may happen today or in a 100 years, nobody can say it to you. But, the risk is always there, and if you as a business man, do not plan your defensive against it, one day you will loose everything.
      P.s
      I do not have my own business yet, I am a Phd student at the moment.
      Seeing your next argument, no, I have working experience and because I do have the knowledge I also understand when it is good to start a business and when it is not.
      So, I will start my business after my Phd, and not in a farming business, for sure.

    • @earthangelmushrooms2118
      @earthangelmushrooms2118  5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@nikolaizaicev9297 I'm sure you are extremely smart or you wouldn't be getting a phd. That said you giving business advice to anyone, having zero experience running a business, is kind of ignorant. I mean, i don't talk about how to be successful in grad school. I guess i should say, "just study a lot and that's how you earn a PhD." We both know there are multiple factors other than academics involved in grad school because i was married to a dentist, and met a lot of dentists that were not very intelligent. What you don't speak from experience on, is everything associated with business outside of a book aka the real world.......... and the infinite number of variables that can't be learned in a book. These variables can't be taught. I challenge every single person on earth to follow their dreams and do what makes them happy and inspires them. Every business is hard. Every business owner ive ever met says running a business is the hardest thing they have ever done. I check prices, and i attempt to be a business man over a mushroom man. The more knowledge i have the better i can become, but someone who so obviously doesn't run a business shouldn't be saying much to people who are.

  • @alrachid2
    @alrachid2 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats funny to me is that you are talking about getting 3.50 to 4.50 a pound for these specialty mushrooms meanwhile people are buying plain white mushrooms and portabellas for 3-5$ a pound out of the market. Thats messed up. I just don't understand...

    • @nullnool5187
      @nullnool5187 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Often the labor used to grow white button mushrooms comes from foreign markets like India and China. These countries aren't required by their government to pay their workers a living wage which means they're used around the clock to sustain Western markets. With that level of consistency and volume those mushrooms have become a huge part of Western diet the price is steady because competition is non-existent a business owner in the United States can't by law produce mushrooms in that volume without paying its employees at least minimum wage. Instead It is more profitable to invest in a mushroom farm in those countries and take advantage of their labor laws while marketing a Western audience at an insanely high profit margin.

    • @Dollapfin
      @Dollapfin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Null Nool this isn’t true. I live in Pennsylvania where we proudly grow most of the United States’ mushrooms. The reason why they’re so expensive is because stores markup prices a lotttt.

  • @cryptopirate8880
    @cryptopirate8880 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    which are the mushrooms with highest amount of profits name me 2 please to focus on thanks

  • @Aquavidify
    @Aquavidify 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just form a cartel with the other growers! :)

  • @sherilynderby5412
    @sherilynderby5412 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to start a mushroom farm I live in the tropics

    • @chrisnuenthel8937
      @chrisnuenthel8937 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sherilyn Derby pink oysters are native to the tropics. Could probably do it with a building made of bug out cloth cause they thrive in the humidy and heat.

  • @sandroschito363
    @sandroschito363 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good morning dear sir, for days he follows you on youtbe. I am skilled from Italy with more precision from southern Italy, I am a farmer of fugnhi pleurotus eryngii 12 years in open field under greenhouse, if you give me the opportunity I can send some photos to understand how I grow them. I would like to have more information how to cultivate your King in the climatized room, if you can start a collaboration, how?
    thanks my name is Sandro

    • @earthangelmushrooms2118
      @earthangelmushrooms2118  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sandro Schito email me at earthangelmushrooms@gmail.com

    • @sandroschito363
      @sandroschito363 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ok ti invierò un email , grazie

    • @louarradi1
      @louarradi1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Earth Angel Mushrooms hi mr Sandro
      As I leave in Morocco the wether it hot in the Sumer can you help me to set oyster mushroom farm
      Thank you
      Louarradi

  • @OZBKLoL
    @OZBKLoL 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Daddy.

  • @dhof3403
    @dhof3403 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hide that chaw!!!