'If we close to inside their minimum missile range... then it's WW2 time bois' In this case it was actually a smart tactic since it made the antiship missiles on the NATO frigates and destroyers useless, whereas an SS-N-2 apparently has a much shorter minimum range.
So, the problem with planes is - MiG-21 and 25 are interceptors both at heart and in practice. Without drop-tanks (which weren't even fitted to the 25 afaik) they aren't making it from Crimea to Georgia period. In the 2008 Three-Day War (as well as in both of the Chechen campaigns), RUAF used Krasnodar, Sochi and other airbases around them to send flights into Georgia. I get that these airbases aren't in the game yet, but yeah, that's why your planes had no range.
Your ideas of creating scenarios are quite amazing and enjoyable, especially the story telling intro, I suggest you to continue it even after the game goes live, nice content 👏🏻.
"Go Read a Book"....CLASSIC!! Love your Scenario's, keep doing what you're Doing, Stealth17! Absolutely Love the way you verbally think things through, plot your strategy and execute. Great Work Brother!!
nvm historically accurate but i think closing the distance may have saved the fleet and gotten those early and crucial kills on three threatening warships
I think an interesting scenario could be the story of/similar to the mutany of the Soviet frigate Storozhevoy. The soviet navy and air force were both hunting a soviet frigate because of a mutany. I also think a scenario of a submarine or ship trying to desert and beeing hunted while trying to reach a neutral or enemy port could be interesting.
9:10 The PHM Pegasus class hydrofoil boats, I understand, “only” manage 12 knots using their 2 800 HP diesel engines driving water jets, above that they need their thirsty gas turbine - and ~25 knots to get onto their foils. They also need sea state 5 (or 6 but with long swells) to fly.
I wonder if the targeting for Sanpan was off because it was supposed to be a larger cargo chip. The shells seemed to all be landing just ahead with very few overshots, right where amidship would be on a freighter.
SEA POWER is looking real good! Being a current Cold Waters player I'm very interested in this title. Can't wait to pick it up on Steam next week! Thank you for the great videos and content! o7.
If you tell the MiG-25s to maintain 60,000+ ft, they're going to burn fuel faster just trying to stay up where the air is thinner. The most efficient cruising altitude for most jet fighters is between 37-43,000 ft.
The main guns on modern (or at least until the turn of the century) naval ships are mostly anti air. Giant, rapid firing flak guns, from a WWII perspective.
Nice to see my favorite Soviet destroyer class in action! Speaking of which, I wonder if they have the Mod Kashin class in the game, since I've only seen the original Kashins so far. A Mod Kashin would be much better in this situation since they had a small amount of SS-N-2s and CIWS systems.
if this had been a real life event, i wonder what the american captain would have thought. He sees a soviet warship opening fire on a tiny cargoship with it's guns and they hit close to nothing. That bridge crew would have been lying on the ground from laughter But that would also explain why they took so long to respond
Thanks for all the content you are producing I really enjoy it! I would love it if you could focus on the Ticonderoga class cruiser for an episode. They are super cool ships.
@@Stealth17Gaming😮 I think Sampans are the job of dumb bombs, air launched unguided rockets or CIWS. It looks like the hit percentage and dispersion of deck gun rounds is fixed/constant and distance from target is not part of game calculation.
From other videos I've seen that aircraft go into afterburner when ordered to climb. That's what's probably killing their range and why they couldn't reach your fleet.
I can sort-of script something like that, but not fully to my liking. I can set up a zone in the mission editor. If a ship enters that zone something can happen, such as a message to the player, a ship turning neutral or hostile etc. Unfortunately that zone isn't mobile. I can't attach it to a ship.
I believe you can force the CIWS to engage surface targets if its in range. Might be a better option for dealing with sampan sized targets than those 76s.
Yeah. The artillery accuracy, especially in the surface-to-surface role, is pretty underwhelming considering that within 10,000 yards was on the edge of point blank range (even during WW2). That's not even considering my thoughts on artillery accuracy on missiles/aircraft (not so much that they can directly hit said fast & small targets, just that w/ VT Fuses you'd think they'd suffer quite the shrapnel damage).
Historically accurate russian navy gunnery lol. Trying to kill a fishing boat, not hitting anything, next you tell me they thought it was a japanese torpedo boat.
Looks like you turned off the surface radar instead of activating the air one :D. But another great scenario, can't wait to see how it goes (and to play them as soon as the game comes out)
Hey Stealth have you thought about doing a more in depth look in the games encylopedia? Enigma did a video shocasing all units but it was a little unsatisfying since he only showcased the first of each class, i would love to see like atleast half of the airlines available or how many of the kitty-hawks carriers they decided to put. I also didnt know that later versions of the game added a small twin engine cessna too
I loved the briefing message after you spent 29 minutes firing missiles and shooting 400 shells that said "NATO forces have detected the attack"... YOU THINK?! 😂
@Stealth17Gaming loved it, and I loved the fishing ship! You could write it as "NATO forces have finally overcome the shock you saw through their disguise..."
man i am so eager to try it out before i do plan on making a brakethough mission using only the refited ww2 era ships we have in game like the iowa class and the cleveland and gearing class i dont know if we have more and i hope they add the midway down the line
The scenario date is 1989, yes? Perhaps Vice President Dan Quayle 'helped' with the NATO mission planning? :) That might explain their choice of cargo ship.
do you think that in the future the game's developers will add other navies, for example the british and argentine navies, to remake the falklands war?
@@Stealth17Gaming In the late 80s the chinese navy began to expand from brown water vessels to blue water, with an aircraft carrier program beginning in the 70s
In peacetime, warships of certain classes from neutral nations can pass the straits. Other Black Sea nations need to get in and out of the Mediterranean too.
Wait, Georgia declared independence? Now I want to see Ukraine (with some defected vessels) with partial NATO support engage Russian/Soviet Black Sea fleet. Or purely NATO scenario but some of the ships are neutral since they are defecting, so you might not know just from ship type whether they are neutral or hostile.
Sorry, I was also looking at the total number of aircraft and the civilians too, and I didn't see if they were each visually featured on-screen, and my autistic self needs everything to match.
An idea for a mission: Tensions between NATO and PACT have rised, so far, that a nuclear WW3 is close to happen when anyone does a false move. Communications between the two factions are frozen. You got intelligence, that a terroristic group plans to attack a civilian freight ship, wich is extremly important to your enemy. The problem is, if this attack will become succesful, everythingh will look like it was you/your nation, wich attacked this ship and this will lead into a nuclear worldwar. Your mission is to prevent this attack from happen. But be aware, NATO ships are nearby. Due to the extreme tensions, they could see your presence as a threat an shoot wich could lead into a war. This musn't happen, so your best bet would be to fstay undetected. What the terroristic threat is you could decide. Maybe a Submarine or a missile battery at a coast. Maybe a patrol vessel. My idea is just an plot-idea, I didn't fully worked it out :D
Interesting why you restricted your air options...NATO almost in Russia's home waters. You'd think that would be the major risk they'd have to face. Imagine if it was a Russian Operation to Cuba. Do you think the US would limit their air assets from Florida & other areas?
The reason I limited it is that the AI is not set up for using airfields yet. It would be too easy to just send planes, launch a missile and win. Would make for a boring scenario. For this game you have to NOT go for realistic scenarios.
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I think that Sampan WAS the strategic cargo itself... I mean, it tanked multiple 76mm shells, maybe its made out of stalinium? Pentagonium, gruzinium?
unobtainium? plotarmourium?
Copium?
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Devs: Let's make a game that focuses on modern, beyond visual range, naval combat.
Stealth: (Recreates Age of Sail)
'If we close to inside their minimum missile range... then it's WW2 time bois'
In this case it was actually a smart tactic since it made the antiship missiles on the NATO frigates and destroyers useless, whereas an SS-N-2 apparently has a much shorter minimum range.
I know this is a semi-joke, but: age of sail warfare was significantly more complex than this.
Historically accurate georgian cargo ship 😂
The sampan was actually using Time Lord technology to transfer a large amount of cargo in as small of a ship as possible.
So, the problem with planes is - MiG-21 and 25 are interceptors both at heart and in practice. Without drop-tanks (which weren't even fitted to the 25 afaik) they aren't making it from Crimea to Georgia period. In the 2008 Three-Day War (as well as in both of the Chechen campaigns), RUAF used Krasnodar, Sochi and other airbases around them to send flights into Georgia. I get that these airbases aren't in the game yet, but yeah, that's why your planes had no range.
Your ideas of creating scenarios are quite amazing and enjoyable, especially the story telling intro, I suggest you to continue it even after the game goes live, nice content 👏🏻.
Thank you! Definitely planning on it.
"Go Read a Book"....CLASSIC!! Love your Scenario's, keep doing what you're Doing, Stealth17! Absolutely Love the way you verbally think things through, plot your strategy and execute. Great Work Brother!!
thanks man!
I had tears in my eyes by the time the sampan went down... All that firepower. Magnificent 😂
19:00 2nd Pacific squadron at dogger bank moment
18:50 least vodka-intoxicated Soviet crew.
nvm historically accurate but i think closing the distance may have saved the fleet and gotten those early and crucial kills on three threatening warships
I think an interesting scenario could be the story of/similar to the mutany of the Soviet frigate Storozhevoy. The soviet navy and air force were both hunting a soviet frigate because of a mutany. I also think a scenario of a submarine or ship trying to desert and beeing hunted while trying to reach a neutral or enemy port could be interesting.
Sure!
The Sampan was hilarious 🤭
9:10 The PHM Pegasus class hydrofoil boats, I understand, “only” manage 12 knots using their 2 800 HP diesel engines driving water jets, above that they need their thirsty gas turbine - and ~25 knots to get onto their foils. They also need sea state 5 (or 6 but with long swells) to fly.
The fact that the sampan survived a single round should be considered a miracle.
Dude, you destroyed the Richard E Byrd. My Great Grand Uncle. Lol
I have RAS’d with the Richard E Byrd, the newer Lewis and Clark, not the older Adams. Quite funny they played Surfin Bird as their breakaway song.
Stealth you are the man, pumping out these videos like there's no tomorrow. Keep on Killin it
Every day another Sea Power video :). Glad you're enjoying them!
Stealth: It's only a Sampan
Sampan: *Eats naval gun rounds like a fucking champ*
I wonder if the targeting for Sanpan was off because it was supposed to be a larger cargo chip. The shells seemed to all be landing just ahead with very few overshots, right where amidship would be on a freighter.
SEA POWER is looking real good! Being a current Cold Waters player I'm very interested in this title. Can't wait to pick it up on Steam next week! Thank you for the great videos and content! o7.
If you tell the MiG-25s to maintain 60,000+ ft, they're going to burn fuel faster just trying to stay up where the air is thinner. The most efficient cruising altitude for most jet fighters is between 37-43,000 ft.
That was extremly fun ! Cant wait to get my hands on this scenario :DD
I love these Scenarios.
Can you create a "scorpion down" scenario where the Soviets need to sink a sturgeon class in a certain amount if time?
Sure
Update - planned for Sunday
@@Stealth17Gaming can't wait to see that!!!! So many cool scenarios that can be made in this game.
Maybe the gunners had too much liquid courage before firing on the fishing boat.
I feel like the option to issue "final warning" to a vessel to ID themselves if they get close enough would be nice
The main guns on modern (or at least until the turn of the century) naval ships are mostly anti air. Giant, rapid firing flak guns, from a WWII perspective.
Another great vid, Stealth always provides
Nice to see my favorite Soviet destroyer class in action! Speaking of which, I wonder if they have the Mod Kashin class in the game, since I've only seen the original Kashins so far. A Mod Kashin would be much better in this situation since they had a small amount of SS-N-2s and CIWS systems.
"Speak softly and carry a big styx."
Bro imagine if those fish reached the shore...
what do you mean send it over to the devs :D this was perfectly lore accurate
it is quite realistic that they foil at 19 knots, they should start foiling above 12 as far as I can tell.
Sampan is a time machine, alien technology thats why so important
Some real 2nd Pacific Squadron quality Gunnery on display
Cliff hangar indeed, great video 👍
if this had been a real life event, i wonder what the american captain would have thought. He sees a soviet warship opening fire on a tiny cargoship with it's guns and they hit close to nothing.
That bridge crew would have been lying on the ground from laughter
But that would also explain why they took so long to respond
The Tarantuls also have chaff, air defense missiles, and a 76mm gun.
Thanks for all the content you are producing I really enjoy it! I would love it if you could focus on the Ticonderoga class cruiser for an episode. They are super cool ships.
I think the Sampan has the characteristics of the Cargo ship Stealth wanted to put down but it rendered as that Sampan
Awesome video and yes nice cliffhanger.
I've been really enjoying the Sea Power content. Keep it up! Also keep the story throughline. Next mission you have to sink 20 sanpans lol.
Lol I don't carry enough ammo for that. Can I just use a Shipwreck?
@@Stealth17Gaming😮
I think Sampans are the job of dumb bombs, air launched unguided rockets or CIWS.
It looks like the hit percentage and dispersion of deck gun rounds is fixed/constant and distance from target is not part of game calculation.
Don't know how they will do it but hope that the devs add tankers for air to air refueling so you could have crazy range carrier strikes and so on.
It's great to see you playing this game so much. You seem to really like and enjoy playing it.
Yeah I love it. I really enjoy both the playing of it and making scenarios.
Navies world wide start adopting low tech wooden supply ships.
From other videos I've seen that aircraft go into afterburner when ordered to climb. That's what's probably killing their range and why they couldn't reach your fleet.
This one should be modded to allow board and search of the freighter. That should be an interesting option to try and avoid a full blown shooting war.
I can sort-of script something like that, but not fully to my liking. I can set up a zone in the mission editor. If a ship enters that zone something can happen, such as a message to the player, a ship turning neutral or hostile etc. Unfortunately that zone isn't mobile. I can't attach it to a ship.
I believe you can force the CIWS to engage surface targets if its in range. Might be a better option for dealing with sampan sized targets than those 76s.
I wonder what will be able to be done in the mission editor when this game fully releases. I can imagine some crazy situations.
A yes, the destruction of critical NATO supplies, like some fish that were caught by something smaller than a trawler 🤣
Yeah. The artillery accuracy, especially in the surface-to-surface role, is pretty underwhelming considering that within 10,000 yards was on the edge of point blank range (even during WW2).
That's not even considering my thoughts on artillery accuracy on missiles/aircraft (not so much that they can directly hit said fast & small targets, just that w/ VT Fuses you'd think they'd suffer quite the shrapnel damage).
Historically accurate russian navy gunnery lol. Trying to kill a fishing boat, not hitting anything, next you tell me they thought it was a japanese torpedo boat.
Weeeelll you did say it is a disguised cargo ship. lol
Nato was using Darpa next gen stealth on the transport cargo ship 😅😅😅
hydrofoil boats count as aircraft to air search radar for detection purposes? i guess they're kinda flying, lol
Looks like you turned off the surface radar instead of activating the air one :D. But another great scenario, can't wait to see how it goes (and to play them as soon as the game comes out)
You should have just rammed that Sampan :D
18:55 The most accurate Soviet gun crews:
Hey Stealth have you thought about doing a more in depth look in the games encylopedia? Enigma did a video shocasing all units but it was a little unsatisfying since he only showcased the first of each class, i would love to see like atleast half of the airlines available or how many of the kitty-hawks carriers they decided to put. I also didnt know that later versions of the game added a small twin engine cessna too
Did the marh between 4 boats, and they have x32 harpoons all up.
Stealth17 you should do a Nato Missile boat campaign. You didn't get to use the german missile boats last time
I loved the briefing message after you spent 29 minutes firing missiles and shooting 400 shells that said "NATO forces have detected the attack"... YOU THINK?! 😂
Lol. I wrote that. Maybe I should rephrase that
@Stealth17Gaming loved it, and I loved the fishing ship! You could write it as "NATO forces have finally overcome the shock you saw through their disguise..."
man i am so eager to try it out before i do plan on making a brakethough mission using only the refited ww2 era ships we have in game like the iowa class and the cleveland and gearing class i dont know if we have more and i hope they add the midway down the line
The scenario date is 1989, yes? Perhaps Vice President Dan Quayle 'helped' with the NATO mission planning? :) That might explain their choice of cargo ship.
do you think that in the future the game's developers will add other navies, for example the british and argentine navies, to remake the falklands war?
Yes I fully expect that
Such a good series!
HE explosion shock in water not modelled? The small boat must be smashed by near explosions!
Bedankt Stealth, bekende stem
o7
The Mig25s look like Mig31s.
don't the fighter planes get a specific loadout that includes drop tanks that increases their range?
They do yes.
Sampan at Black Sea? That's strange.
Do the drop tanks not give them much more range ?
I wonder how much money they wasted on that single fisherboat :D
nice scenario ... u should do more ... thanks
I do one every day
Maybe you should reduce speed when firing the guns and not go 34 knots to improve their accuracy?
I want to know what they had onboard that sampan.
You should have tried ramming the sampan.
I would like to see the range for an aircraft with each load out before we launch it from a airfield/carrier. Doesn't sems it shows it atm.
It's also dependent on the altitude and speed you select. Not quite so easy to show a range
In 1989 Georgia was part of the USSR as the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic.
Yes. NATO scum was trying to subvert it with their secret Sampan cargo.
November 12th is the release date on this.? Man I can’t wait to get behind the controls
Yes, beware it's going into early access at that point, warts and all.
the glorious highly-armored sampans of NATO 🤣
Not sure if its me but theres a media offline problem in the first 1m of the video, loving the vids stealth :)
Oh crap. Editing error. Sorry
Great vid!
Do we know if they plan to add the PLAN? I would love to make some alternative history USSR vs. PRC scenarios
Maybe. I thought the PLAN wasn't that big of a factor in the cold war.
@@Stealth17Gaming it wasn't greatly powerful but it could at least do something if I remember correctly
@@Stealth17Gaming In the late 80s the chinese navy began to expand from brown water vessels to blue water, with an aircraft carrier program beginning in the 70s
Can us navy actually go in the black sea? Aren't the dardanels closed to military ships except Turkish?
In peacetime, warships of certain classes from neutral nations can pass the straits. Other Black Sea nations need to get in and out of the Mediterranean too.
Sampan is Civillian fishing boat of Vietnamese, Chinese or fisher mans in South China Sea, wtf when they in Black Sea ?
Take my money already!!
Next time try having the jet fly not as fast the floggers combat range is 900 miles or 780 nautical miles
5:50 how do you know your planes are out of fuel?
They have a blue range circle when you select them. If they're bingo they just return to base themselves
@@Stealth17Gaming Thanks!
Nooo, Media offline. I have this problem all of the time 😢
Wait, Georgia declared independence? Now I want to see Ukraine (with some defected vessels) with partial NATO support engage Russian/Soviet Black Sea fleet. Or purely NATO scenario but some of the ships are neutral since they are defecting, so you might not know just from ship type whether they are neutral or hostile.
I like that idea!
More!!!!!
I like to recreate your scenarios in command modern operations, would you be willing to put your order of battle in your descriptions?
You mean my units? It's exactly what you see in the video
Sorry, I was also looking at the total number of aircraft and the civilians too, and I didn't see if they were each visually featured on-screen, and my autistic self needs everything to match.
An idea for a mission:
Tensions between NATO and PACT have rised, so far, that a nuclear WW3 is close to happen when anyone does a false move. Communications between the two factions are frozen. You got intelligence, that a terroristic group plans to attack a civilian freight ship, wich is extremly important to your enemy. The problem is, if this attack will become succesful, everythingh will look like it was you/your nation, wich attacked this ship and this will lead into a nuclear worldwar. Your mission is to prevent this attack from happen. But be aware, NATO ships are nearby. Due to the extreme tensions, they could see your presence as a threat an shoot wich could lead into a war. This musn't happen, so your best bet would be to fstay undetected.
What the terroristic threat is you could decide. Maybe a Submarine or a missile battery at a coast. Maybe a patrol vessel. My idea is just an plot-idea, I didn't fully worked it out :D
Is Air-Air-Refueling possible in the sim?
No. Maybe they'll implement that later.
Well, tbf it IS Soviet gunnery,
Can a unit *lie* to you when you ask them to identify themselves?
Don't think so
Interesting why you restricted your air options...NATO almost in Russia's home waters. You'd think that would be the major risk they'd have to face. Imagine if it was a Russian Operation to Cuba. Do you think the US would limit their air assets from Florida & other areas?
The reason I limited it is that the AI is not set up for using airfields yet. It would be too easy to just send planes, launch a missile and win. Would make for a boring scenario.
For this game you have to NOT go for realistic scenarios.
@@Stealth17Gaming Fair enough
avrage soviet gunners
Is this going to be multiplayer?
Sadly not
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