Be very careful when extracting a "hang fire." I've had a 44mag touch-off after a full second delay. I became a believer of the 60 second rule. Wait 60 seconds after a 'CLICK' before opening the breach. It might save your fingers some time. Great videos, thanks for the groundwork.
Shit we dont even wait that long for machine guns. 5 seconds for the 240 and the 50 and 10 seconds for HE 40mm. We do do 60 seconds for the saber and jav though
I have had a few hang fires. I think the longest one was 20 seconds. It was a shotgun shell in very cold weather. It was repeatable with every shell. I do not know if it was the primer, powder or both.
I cringed when you pulled that "dud" instantly, then you did it TWICE!! I had a hang fire in my AR once and set it down on the bench pointing down range. It sat there and then went off at least 10 seconds later. You are very lucky that you still have no missing fingers or holes in your hand.
Wow, I’ve always held off on green tip, but recently loaded up a few mags with green tip so I’m feeling better about my green tip purchase. As with my 401k, I like to diversify my portfolio of ammo reserves haha . Thanks for the video
"DO NOT" mistake a hang fire for a dud. Keep your firearm pointed in a safe direction until either the round goes off. Or until an ample amount of time has passed to safely extract the cartridge.
I would guess because I don’t know that it’s necessary to ensure that the dud would need time to cool off and dissipate any potential heat that could complete the discharge?
Yeah it's really nice when you just crack on with it and don't drag it out with meaningless chatter. Too many channels just like to hear themselves talk
Wait longer before ejecting a dud. I knew a guy who was shooting surplus ammo and opened the bolt right away and it was a hang fire. Ended up taking the bolt across his face and messed him up.
Try putting the 1/2 plate in a solid holder, ( keep the plate from moving) the plate being able to move kills penetration. I'm enjoying Your channel very much!!!
It appears the 3/8 in plate was angled when you fired the m193 at it. That may have been enough angling to increase the apparent thickness. Just for the scientific method I suggest making yourself some sort of bracket so that you can stand up these steel plates and they will be perfectly square. Repeatability and all that.
the plates are angled to reduce the chance of a ricochet directly back at him, as a ton of videos online you can see flat angled plates sending the bullet right back at the shooter, especially with lead core FMJ.
In another video the XM193 actually penetrated better than the XM855 out of a 22" barrel when shot at AR500 plates. However, they were shot much closer in than 50 yards. I believe he shot the steel plates at 35 meters.
I’d love to see some M855A1 and some solid copper in different Weights. Also some 7.62x39 would be cool too. Love what your doing keep it up brother. 😎
YESS....M855 Green Tip Vs M855 A1...All Copper Steel Tipped...I would love to see the results. Also would love to know how much more velocity hes getting out of that 24 inch barrel
The energy dissipation of the impact on an unrestrained steel plate with a piece of wood randomly positioned behind it is a considerable factor in penetration testing. It won't necessarily result in the difference between a pass-through and a crater, but it's worth improving your setup to get consistent and more reliable results. Spinning/rotating plates waste significant amounts of energy when comparing multiple calibers, velocities, etc. Otherwise your approach and sequence is pretty well done. It appears your 300 Blackout vs. 7.62 x 39mm test incorporated these setup improvements, but so other viewers are aware, the results of an unrestrained steel plate can yield drastically different results depending on the rotational velocity and shot location.
One of the first things I learned when I started shooting in my mid teens was WAIT to extract a round that you think is a dud. Keep the barrel pointed down range and count to sixty. Never had one that wasn't really a dud but it only takes one hang fire to make you a believer and maybe checking out the emergency room...
Thanks for doing it right! XM193 is super lethal on plates in a long barrel, but most folks stop at 16”. Great comparison. 1/2” mild steel is the ticket for stopping .223/5.56.
It's been my experience that the 55 grain fmj will penetrate quarter inch AR500 steel while the 62 grain green tip will not when shooting identical length barrels from 16" to 20" and the target at equal distances. I only shot at 25 yards max. On any other target material I would put my money on the 62 grain green tip having greater penetration. I used to buy the green tip exclustvely when id buy ammo by the case thinking that the added weight might be a benefit at longer range and it probably is but its less accurate in my rifle. Probably because the steel penetrater upsets the concentricity of the bullet making the bullet wobble slightly in flight. So now I buy 55 grain exclusively. I shot a buck at 60 yards with a hornady 55 grain soft point in the chest and got complete penetration. There wasnt much of a blood trail but he only ran about 50 yards. I dont really consider it a very good deer cartridge but it usually beats using a larger caliber and missing the vtals. Its easier to find a deer that runs 60 yards with no blood trail than it is to find one that leaves a decent blood trail for 300 yards and stops bleeding and is still running.
So, what you're saying is that my wife's Mini Cooper isn't a good candidate for putting steel plates on to keep her safe from most gun calibers? 3/8 inch plate would weigh too much. I've told her that her accelerator is her best defense. We live in Houston and it's getting dicier by the day.
Due to the projectile being basically vaporized while grinding away at the target there is a upper Limit on how far a projectile can penetrate. Today a common practice to improve anti cannons is increasing the length of the projectiles
‼️Thanks for your great videos. As you know when you fire 5.56 or 223 at AR500 Hardened Steel under a SLOW MO camera you can see that when the bullet impacts the steel (and is stopped on the surface) the Lead Liquifies and little lead droplets 💦 splatter and all thats left is a small nickel sized pancake of lead that cooled from the Steel Plate and is paper thin that falls to the ground. I have saved a bunch of them for my home display. It seems that the bullet has to peirce through the steel before the friction and compression cause the lead to liquify and lose all its energy. Seems the steel tip and / or core just stops that from happening. Tungsten Rounds seem to do the best because steel won't liquify, but it will fragment, causing the bullet to lose all its energy and Tungsten can stay intact. Would love to see you talk about and do some testing with that. Also, with ballistics, it's not all about how much energy the round carries when it impacts the target. It's how that energy is transferred. I compare it to pulling out a stuck car. Use a chain ⛓️ with a lot of force, and it Rips off the bumper...major damage..but..BUT..use a stretchy rope, and you can use twice the force with no damage occurring. Thanks for all your work and knowledge you are sharing. 💯💯🦅🇺🇸
Food for tough, against mild steel the 55 gr penetrates less, but against hardened steel like ar500 55gr penetrates say a lvl 3 ar500 plate whereas a greep tip wont, you actually need lvl 3+ or lvl4 to be able to stop regular 55gr
Yes I've tested this as well..AR500 side plates level 3. 16in barrel..green tip stopped M193 clean through. The reason is because the tip of green tip, while considered hardened and not mild, it is not super hard. It's actually softer than AR500 steel. So the tip doesn't help it at all when going into AR500. But the tip is harder than mild steel so it helps. But the new M855A1 round the tip is harder than AR500. It's actually close to AR600/AR650. So it can punch through AR500 plates like AR500 level 3 no problem.
@@fujimi715 Tighter twists perform the nicest with M855 and especially m855a1, my friend has a 16 in. barrel and can go through level 3 plates at 100 yards with normal greentip. M855a1 will go right through a level 3+ plate with afaik a 12 in. barrel if it has a 1:7 twist without issue.
Great vid dood!...You'd make the Sumerian legend, ~King Nannur/'Nanner PROUD!...;) Not "Picking Nits"...-Ya ever worried about HangFires n' cycling/unlocking the bolt that quickly after a "dud" cartridge? Sometimes they do go !POP! with a smidge of a delay. It would DEF SUCK if it ignited upon throwing the bolt open w/an out of battery discharge... -Keep up the cool & interesting vids 'ma man!
Thank you for the tour here. That's what I was looking for. 🎈🥳🎈 One thing I'm loving and subbing for is your short, no BS videos. Under 10 and nothing but facts. I'm in.
I just wanted to see if I was the only one who was gonna get on you for what you did TWICE. Green tips are fun, but black tips and silver tips are the best!
The 556 was designed for a 1 in 9 twist and a 22-inch Barrel. And for all of those watching since he completely drops the ball wait ten seconds after firing when you have a dud to remove the casing from the chamber because they can and sometimes you do go off with a delay
Interestingly I've never seen any youtuber use a net for catching reloads lol. That's cool but this is honestly the first time i've seen one. I didn't know they existed.
I've had FMJ go through some 3/8 mild steel but keep in mind hot rolled mild steel quality is all.over the place depending on what day of the week it is lol
Green tip ammo is a strange animal, and some say it is armor piercing, and others say it isn't! But the worst thing was when the AFT wanted to ban green tip from civilians because they wanted armor piercing ammo off the market! But luckily, they got their butts kicked! Midway has green tip 300 round quantity for $162, or $0.53 a round! Or you can get 1200 for $644.77, which is the same cost per round! But you better have the 1 in 9 or 8 inch rate of twist, else it will keyhole and not work well! Remember, head shots only, so they have to apply the tourniquet to the neck!!
I am not sure why everyone makes a big deal out if green tip ammo. Per US standards this is simply a FMJ round. Basic color codings for both 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 are as follows: Green - FMJ Standard Round Red - Tracer Black - Armor Piercing Gray - Frangible with a blunt nose. Fifty caliber follows this same guide line but also has various other combinations not found in small caliber ammo.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 you are correct. M855, which began life as SS109 was, or rather is, the standard NATO round. It replace M193 a few years after I left the service in 1977. Both are green tip with biggest difference being grain weight of 55 for M193 and 62 for M855 and that M855 has better penetration. My oldest, who was in the Marines, also set me straight on this. Thanks.
Wow, thanks for the clear concise, to the point test and no pontificating like some others. Out of curiosity, what was the twist rate of the 18'? Thanks again!
Forget where I read it, but I was prepping an urban warfare class for an Iraq deployment, and I read that max steel penetration with 5.56 is achieved at 200+M because the high speed of shorter ranges cause the bullet to fragmentate. So you want a little less than max speed to get most penetration.
And the green tip isn't armor piecing it's is for the mass and balance of the bullet but as in your vedio it sure did look armor piecrceing Great vedio
A 5.56x45 is not a steel penetrating round. I shot a 3/8 steel spinner designed to be shot with a 44 mag pistol with a 7.62x54 203 gr wolf soft point. The bullet passed through the plate so fast it didn't even wiggle. The wolf round made a hole big enough to put a 7.62x54 or 308 case in it for target practice with my 22lr. A 308 with a hunting round would do similar damage, I have shot 1/2 mild steel with a 308 loaded with ADI 165 Sierra Game Kings. The 308 passed through the steel hanging on chains very easy. The guy who owned the steel plate didn't believe a 308 would pass through 1/2 inch plate so easily. I hated to ruin his nice pistol set up but he asked for it. Both cartridges were shot from around 100 yards.
couple of notes its not muzzle velocity that makes the penetration its the velocity at the moment of impact but of course that will take more equipment also if you want the best velocity in a long barrel youre going to have to reload using the slowest powder that finishes burning just before it leaves the barrel do it again with a proper twist lets see it then
I believe the green tip would go through the 3/8” steel plate if the plate was unable to move. To much force is lost when the plate moves in the same direction as the bullet. If the plate was attached to your chest (as all are via strapping) and then shot your body would prevent the plate from moving backwards resulting in more velocity impact. That’s just how I personally perceive it.
You had a dry fire and pulled it out instantly twice! I'm not mister safety but I wait 5 minutes piont it and chamber in safe direction then eject I knew a guy who had a dry fire and did what you just did as he pulled the bolt back the case exploded and a piece of brass went into his gut Literally almost killed him ! I've also read a story were some did dye and sue! I know you know what your doing ut do not minimize hang fire please !
You have a good point, but I've had rounds explode in front of me and ended up with shrapnel in my arms - I really doubt anything would penetrate enough to threaten your life. Eyes are another story.
@@snorman1911 if the brass goes in your gut you can dye One person did dye the brass when into his gut they sued and won And you cloud send a bolt into your for head
@@snorman1911 I know rounds don't hurt if exploded in the hand But in half chamber there's pressure alot as you know it realy is smart to wait five minutes Then dump the rd quick action facing the ground I had 308 old isreali tds hang up And then go off 1 minute later had to see it to be live it
I don't quite get how FMJ would be lighter since it has a full lead core while the green tip doesn't? To be sure, I'm not familiar with these types of cartridges but they seem to be similar to what we use in the military though we have AP rounds instead which have a full steel core and a much higher velocity because steel is, as we all know, lighter than lead. Back in the day we used Tombak plating instead because fucking up the rifling isn't a problem when you have 13x as many barrels as guns.
Need to start testing the 8.6 blackout! The next big thing if you will. Planning a lightweight 12" build -faxon has the barrels. Need to get dies and such first. Should be a 6lb rifle lobbing 338 slugs.
I have looked into the 8.6. I just can't seem to justify launching 300 gr 338 pills down range at subsonic velocities since they are so expensive lol. Maybe I will change my mind in the near future. That will be an awesome build though!
@Banana Ballistics ‼️Thanks for your great videos. As you know when you fire 5.56 or 223 at AR500 Hardened Steel under a SLOW MO camera you can see that when the bullet impacts the steel (and is stopped on the surface) the Lead Liquifies and little lead droplets 💦 splatter and all thats left is a small nickel sized pancake of lead that cooled from the Steel Plate and is paper thin that falls to the ground. I have saved a bunch of them for my home display. It seems that the bullet has to peirce through the steel before the friction and compression cause the lead to liquify and lose all its energy. Seems the steel tip and / or core just stops that from happening. Tungsten Rounds seem to do the best because steel won't liquify, but it will fragment, causing the bullet to lose all its energy and Tungsten can stay intact. Would love to see you talk about and do some testing with that. Also, with ballistics, it's not all about how much energy the round carries when it impacts the target. It's how that energy is transferred. I compare it to pulling out a stuck car. Use a chain ⛓️ with a lot of force, and it Rips off the bumper...major damage..but..BUT..use a stretchy rope, and you can use twice the force with no damage occurring. Thanks for all your work and knowledge you are sharing. 💯💯🦅🇺🇸
300 win mag. With a sabot. There is a video out there of it putting a 55gr FMJ .224 THRU a 1/2 piece of AR500 plate. Of course is was running around 5000fps.
This is why they chose the round. However in reality the number of situations you benefit from the 7 grain penetrator is tiny compared to how often you’ll benefit from the better accuracy and performance of the 55 grain FMJ. It was sold to NATO successful by FN because it increased the range it could penetrate a steel helmet by like 100 yards I believe. So instead of 500 it was 600. Who the hell was taking head shots at 600 yards with iron sights I don’t know??? It’s possible but very difficult Simo Haya kept his shots around 350 meters I believe at the longest and he used irons. Also killed more men than any sniper in history. Ultimately I still believe SS109/M855 was a huge mistake over M193 (though we should have gone to 1/9 twist for SMK). However if we ever go to war against 3/8” mild steel I’ll be grabbing green tip and going to town!!!
Switching plates is cool. But I would have loved to have seen you go back 50 yards more. Then keep doing that until one of them no longer penetrates the plate. That would have been really cool to see what the effective range is
From what I understand the 5.56 NATO is designed to hit its maximum pressure and fully burn its charge in an 18" barrel. Longer barrels don't give it anymore inertia, they just add accuracy at range but still use about the same twist rate. SBR's do require a different twist rate though because anything under 18" and it's not hitting its peak pressure. Funny thing about those green tips: everyone acts like they're so social. I never understood all the fuss early on in my military service. We literally plinked at the range with them all the time.
You used them at the range because thats standard issue ammo. Why would you use one type of ammo to zero your rifle, and learn to shoot at the 500, but then use a different type of ammo if SHTF?
@@xrexkinect because the rifles we used in basic and AIT weren't the same ones we used overseas. When I joined in 2003 we were still using the A2 in basic and AIT. Overseas we used the A4, Block II for one deployment, and mk18 for the majority of the time. Even if we used one of those in AIT, it's not like you carry that exact same weapon afterward. So what you zero with in TRADOC is irrelevant.
I would love to see some 7.62 testing. Since we all can't have fun things. I'm curious about WPA 7.62 steel cased ammo. While figuring out which of my ammo was magnetic. The core of the WPA 7.62x51 is solid metal (not lead). It's magnetic for sure, but since it's a NATO surplus round, I can't find any info on its actual construction.
i would love to see this with a 16 inch barrel.... i have 2 carbines so it would be interesting. i have both the green tip and standard type. my guess is that on the 1/4 inch with a 16 inch both would still penetrate easily..
Penetration the green tip wins hands down but in lethality that FMJ was tumbling out of that 24inch barrel against a living target that will flatten and just tumble through the target.
Be very careful when extracting a "hang fire." I've had a 44mag touch-off after a full second delay. I became a believer of the 60 second rule. Wait 60 seconds after a 'CLICK' before opening the breach. It might save your fingers some time. Great videos, thanks for the groundwork.
You are right on. I wanted to tell him same thing. Minimum one minute and keep it point at a safe target.
To quote a very good friend and firearms training instructor, “In a tactical situation, the loudest sound you will ever hear is…CLICK!”
Shit we dont even wait that long for machine guns. 5 seconds for the 240 and the 50 and 10 seconds for HE 40mm. We do do 60 seconds for the saber and jav though
@@BulletproofPastor the two loudest sounds are a bang when there should have been a click. And a click when there should have been a bang.
I have had a few hang fires. I think the longest one was 20 seconds. It was a shotgun shell in very cold weather. It was repeatable with every shell. I do not know if it was the primer, powder or both.
Seeing them cut open was neat! The steel core is WAY bigger than I thought it was. I literally thought it was just a tiny bit at the tippity tip tip.
I always thought it was just a steel pin in the middle the size of like pencil lead . 🤷♂️
Yes, I had that impression, as well. I thought it was about half or less than what it actually is.
I cringed when you pulled that "dud" instantly, then you did it TWICE!!
I had a hang fire in my AR once and set it down on the bench pointing down range.
It sat there and then went off at least 10 seconds later.
You are very lucky that you still have no missing fingers or holes in your hand.
Where those duds hand loads or factory ammunition?
Wow, I’ve always held off on green tip, but recently loaded up a few mags with green tip so I’m feeling better about my green tip purchase. As with my 401k, I like to diversify my portfolio of ammo reserves haha . Thanks for the video
"DO NOT" mistake a hang fire for a dud. Keep your firearm pointed in a safe direction until either the round goes off. Or until an ample amount of time has passed to safely extract the cartridge.
Good advice, I have never heard of this before.
I would guess because I don’t know that it’s necessary to ensure that the dud would need time to cool off and dissipate any potential heat that could complete the discharge?
I like how concise your video are. Perfect length. Excellent editing
I really appreciate the kind remarks!
Agreed. Subbed.
@@bananaballistics Same. Great vid.
Yeah it's really nice when you just crack on with it and don't drag it out with meaningless chatter. Too many channels just like to hear themselves talk
@@bananaballistics kind of remarkable...
Wait longer before ejecting a dud. I knew a guy who was shooting surplus ammo and opened the bolt right away and it was a hang fire. Ended up taking the bolt across his face and messed him up.
Same here. We were taught 30 seconds on a miss fire, then open breach (charging handle / bolt ) while leaning opposite of weapon.
Try putting the 1/2 plate in a solid holder, ( keep the plate from moving) the plate being able to move kills penetration. I'm enjoying Your channel very much!!!
Well, this saved me the trouble of sawing a bullet in half just to see. Thanks!
But was it the same ammo you use? What if it’s different 👀
I think the round the keywholed hit the ground about 16" before sticking the plate. That's why it tumbled.
It appears the 3/8 in plate was angled when you fired the m193 at it. That may have been enough angling to increase the apparent thickness. Just for the scientific method I suggest making yourself some sort of bracket so that you can stand up these steel plates and they will be perfectly square. Repeatability and all that.
the plates are angled to reduce the chance of a ricochet directly back at him, as a ton of videos online you can see flat angled plates sending the bullet right back at the shooter, especially with lead core FMJ.
@@michigancube4240 so then angle them all the same.
In another video the XM193 actually penetrated better than the XM855 out of a 22" barrel when shot at AR500 plates. However, they were shot much closer in than 50 yards. I believe he shot the steel plates at 35 meters.
I suggested this and you came through. Thanks and I like that your videos are straight to the point and concise. 👍🏼 Thanks again.
I’d love to see some M855A1 and some solid copper in different Weights.
Also some 7.62x39 would be cool too. Love what your doing keep it up brother. 😎
YESS....M855 Green Tip Vs M855 A1...All Copper Steel Tipped...I would love to see the results. Also would love to know how much more velocity hes getting out of that 24 inch barrel
@@patriotwarrior_556 they all the same shit just different brands honestly I’ve got all of them and the Winchester are the most over priced
Your voice is exceptional haha, you could pull podcast listeners just from its tones
Thank you for making a short, concise, video getting straight to the point! Very informative
WOW!! Very surprised at FMJ results. Thanks for info.
The energy dissipation of the impact on an unrestrained steel plate with a piece of wood randomly positioned behind it is a considerable factor in penetration testing. It won't necessarily result in the difference between a pass-through and a crater, but it's worth improving your setup to get consistent and more reliable results. Spinning/rotating plates waste significant amounts of energy when comparing multiple calibers, velocities, etc. Otherwise your approach and sequence is pretty well done. It appears your 300 Blackout vs. 7.62 x 39mm test incorporated these setup improvements, but so other viewers are aware, the results of an unrestrained steel plate can yield drastically different results depending on the rotational velocity and shot location.
Same control... like for an experiment.... soooo.... it's fine dummy
One of the first things I learned when I started shooting in my mid teens was WAIT to extract a round that you think is a dud. Keep the barrel pointed down range and count to sixty. Never had one that wasn't really a dud but it only takes one hang fire to make you a believer and maybe checking out the emergency room...
This is a great channel because its all real results with a minimum of talk. This format would be great for alot of other subjects too.
M193 from my old 20" 1x14 twist goes through 3/8" (old Skid Steer mounting plate) with ease at 70 yards.
I used to have a little collection of those steel inserts collected from berm hits whilst I was in the pitts. Good times.
Thanks for doing it right! XM193 is super lethal on plates in a long barrel, but most folks stop at 16”. Great comparison. 1/2” mild steel is the ticket for stopping .223/5.56.
after about 20 years of shooting 556, ive never had a dud. thats actually bananas
Awesome vid, love how you cut the bullets to show the difference
Thanks for the demonstration!
YES!
Think Green!
That is a cute little Howa - Got Mauser?
Yes 8mm LPS vs. 198 Yugo heavy. THANK YOU!
nice video format ,,you keep it simple and real
I have heard that the 55 grain fmj would deflect off a windshield. The green tip was designed to punch through.
It's been my experience that the 55 grain fmj will penetrate quarter inch AR500 steel while the 62 grain green tip will not when shooting identical length barrels from 16" to 20" and the target at equal distances. I only shot at 25 yards max. On any other target material I would put my money on the 62 grain green tip having greater penetration. I used to buy the green tip exclustvely when id buy ammo by the case thinking that the added weight might be a benefit at longer range and it probably is but its less accurate in my rifle. Probably because the steel penetrater upsets the concentricity of the bullet making the bullet wobble slightly in flight. So now I buy 55 grain exclusively. I shot a buck at 60 yards with a hornady 55 grain soft point in the chest and got complete penetration. There wasnt much of a blood trail but he only ran about 50 yards. I dont really consider it a very good deer cartridge but it usually beats using a larger caliber and missing the vtals. Its easier to find a deer that runs 60 yards with no blood trail than it is to find one that leaves a decent blood trail for 300 yards and stops bleeding and is still running.
So, what you're saying is that my wife's Mini Cooper isn't a good candidate for putting steel plates on to keep her safe from most gun calibers? 3/8 inch plate would weigh too much. I've told her that her accelerator is her best defense. We live in Houston and it's getting dicier by the day.
I subbed because of the intro. Fantastic.
Great job! Love the testing I've seen of yours, very helpful.
Due to the projectile being basically vaporized while grinding away at the target there is a upper Limit on how far a projectile can penetrate.
Today a common practice to improve anti cannons is increasing the length of the projectiles
‼️Thanks for your great videos. As you know when you fire 5.56 or 223 at AR500 Hardened Steel under a SLOW MO camera you can see that when the bullet impacts the steel (and is stopped on the surface) the Lead Liquifies and little lead droplets 💦 splatter and all thats left is a small nickel sized pancake of lead that cooled from the Steel Plate and is paper thin that falls to the ground. I have saved a bunch of them for my home display. It seems that the bullet has to peirce through the steel before the friction and compression cause the lead to liquify and lose all its energy. Seems the steel tip and / or core just stops that from happening. Tungsten Rounds seem to do the best because steel won't liquify, but it will fragment, causing the bullet to lose all its energy and Tungsten can stay intact. Would love to see you talk about and do some testing with that. Also, with ballistics, it's not all about how much energy the round carries when it impacts the target. It's how that energy is transferred. I compare it to pulling out a stuck car. Use a chain ⛓️ with a lot of force, and it Rips off the bumper...major damage..but..BUT..use a stretchy rope, and you can use twice the force with no damage occurring. Thanks for all your work and knowledge you are sharing. 💯💯🦅🇺🇸
Food for tough, against mild steel the 55 gr penetrates less, but against hardened steel like ar500 55gr penetrates say a lvl 3 ar500 plate whereas a greep tip wont, you actually need lvl 3+ or lvl4 to be able to stop regular 55gr
Yes I've tested this as well..AR500 side plates level 3. 16in barrel..green tip stopped M193 clean through. The reason is because the tip of green tip, while considered hardened and not mild, it is not super hard. It's actually softer than AR500 steel. So the tip doesn't help it at all when going into AR500. But the tip is harder than mild steel so it helps. But the new M855A1 round the tip is harder than AR500. It's actually close to AR600/AR650. So it can punch through AR500 plates like AR500 level 3 no problem.
@@fujimi715 Tighter twists perform the nicest with M855 and especially m855a1, my friend has a 16 in. barrel and can go through level 3 plates at 100 yards with normal greentip. M855a1 will go right through a level 3+ plate with afaik a 12 in. barrel if it has a 1:7 twist without issue.
It's always nice to have a couple of cases of green tip on hand lol
Great vid dood!...You'd make the Sumerian legend, ~King Nannur/'Nanner PROUD!...;)
Not "Picking Nits"...-Ya ever worried about HangFires n' cycling/unlocking the bolt that quickly after a "dud" cartridge?
Sometimes they do go !POP! with a smidge of a delay. It would DEF SUCK if it ignited upon throwing the bolt open w/an out of battery discharge...
-Keep up the cool & interesting vids 'ma man!
Your videos are awesome keep them coming
Thank you for the tour here. That's what I was looking for. 🎈🥳🎈
One thing I'm loving and subbing for is your short, no BS videos.
Under 10 and nothing but facts. I'm in.
Holy S! Didn't know they dug that deep!
Military old style M855 have Tungsten tip. The newer 855 tungsten core is much larger.
Love the color-change teeshirt!
Thanks for sharing with us! Nice video.
I just wanted to see if I was the only one who was gonna get on you for what you did TWICE. Green tips are fun, but black tips and silver tips are the best!
Great vid! I'd be interested to see this one redone with the new sled.
From what i understand, the 40gr Varmint 223 is the only one that penetrates more steel than the 72gr steel tip.
It would be interesting to see how it stood up to titanium.
The 556 was designed for a 1 in 9 twist and a 22-inch Barrel. And for all of those watching since he completely drops the ball wait ten seconds after firing when you have a dud to remove the casing from the chamber because they can and sometimes you do go off with a delay
Nice shell catcher
Excellent job dude
Interestingly I've never seen any youtuber use a net for catching reloads lol. That's cool but this is honestly the first time i've seen one. I didn't know they existed.
love the video quick and informative not talking around the bush
really nice video
That keyholed shot looked like it skipped off the ground. Dirt flew up before the target was hit. So the gun may shoot those green tip just fine.
Yup.
I've had FMJ go through some 3/8 mild steel but keep in mind hot rolled mild steel quality is all.over the place depending on what day of the week it is lol
Green tip ammo is a strange animal, and some say it is armor piercing, and others say it isn't!
But the worst thing was when the AFT wanted to ban green tip from civilians because they wanted armor piercing ammo off the market! But luckily, they got their butts kicked!
Midway has green tip 300 round quantity for $162, or $0.53 a round!
Or you can get 1200 for $644.77, which is the same cost per round!
But you better have the 1 in 9 or 8 inch rate of twist, else it will keyhole and not work well!
Remember, head shots only, so they have to apply the tourniquet to the neck!!
I am not sure why everyone makes a big deal out if green tip ammo. Per US standards this is simply a FMJ round. Basic color codings for both 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 are as follows:
Green - FMJ Standard Round
Red - Tracer
Black - Armor Piercing
Gray - Frangible with a blunt nose.
Fifty caliber follows this same guide line but also has various other combinations not found in small caliber ammo.
So, you don't know the difference between M193 and M855 then. Green tip ain't "standard FMJ" in 5.56.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 you are correct. M855, which began life as SS109 was, or rather is, the standard NATO round. It replace M193 a few years after I left the service in 1977. Both are green tip with biggest difference being grain weight of 55 for M193 and 62 for M855 and that M855 has better penetration. My oldest, who was in the Marines, also set me straight on this. Thanks.
I see this is back before you devised your little set up that allowed them to be at the same angle each time. I see you 👁 👄 👁
Wow, thanks for the clear concise, to the point test and no pontificating like some others. Out of curiosity, what was the twist rate of the 18'? Thanks again!
This was my first video and seeing the banana at the beginning threw me off a little 😂
I could not get my inner Michael Scott to shut up during this video 😂
Forget where I read it, but I was prepping an urban warfare class for an Iraq deployment, and I read that max steel penetration with 5.56 is achieved at 200+M because the high speed of shorter ranges cause the bullet to fragmentate. So you want a little less than max speed to get most penetration.
And the green tip isn't armor piecing it's is for the mass and balance of the bullet but as in your vedio it sure did look armor piecrceing
Great vedio
A 5.56x45 is not a steel penetrating round. I shot a 3/8 steel spinner designed to be shot with a 44 mag pistol with a 7.62x54 203 gr wolf soft point. The bullet passed through the plate so fast it didn't even wiggle. The wolf round made a hole big enough to put a 7.62x54 or 308 case in it for target practice with my 22lr. A 308 with a hunting round would do similar damage, I have shot 1/2 mild steel with a 308 loaded with ADI 165 Sierra Game Kings. The 308 passed through the steel hanging on chains very easy. The guy who owned the steel plate didn't believe a 308 would pass through 1/2 inch plate so easily. I hated to ruin his nice pistol set up but he asked for it. Both cartridges were shot from around 100 yards.
Love your videos bro
couple of notes its not muzzle velocity that makes the penetration its the velocity at the moment of impact but of course that will take more equipment also if you want the best velocity in a long barrel youre going to have to reload using the slowest powder that finishes burning just before it leaves the barrel do it again with a proper twist lets see it then
Just commented this on another one of your videos. Nice
I believe the green tip would go through the 3/8” steel plate if the plate was unable to move. To much force is lost when the plate moves in the same direction as the bullet.
If the plate was attached to your chest (as all are via strapping) and then shot your body would prevent the plate from moving backwards resulting in more velocity impact. That’s just how I personally perceive it.
You had a dry fire and pulled it out instantly twice! I'm not mister safety but I wait 5 minutes piont it and chamber in safe direction then eject
I knew a guy who had a dry fire and did what you just did as he pulled the bolt back the case exploded and a piece of brass went into his gut
Literally almost killed him ! I've also read a story were some did dye and sue! I know you know what your doing ut do not minimize hang fire please !
You have a good point, but I've had rounds explode in front of me and ended up with shrapnel in my arms - I really doubt anything would penetrate enough to threaten your life. Eyes are another story.
@@snorman1911 if the brass goes in your gut you can dye
One person did dye the brass when into his gut they sued and won
And you cloud send a bolt into your for head
@@snorman1911 I know rounds don't hurt if exploded in the hand
But in half chamber there's pressure alot as you know it realy is smart to wait five minutes
Then dump the rd quick action facing the ground I had 308 old isreali tds hang up
And then go off 1 minute later had to see it to be live it
I don't quite get how FMJ would be lighter since it has a full lead core while the green tip doesn't?
To be sure, I'm not familiar with these types of cartridges but they seem to be similar to what we use in the military though we have AP rounds instead which have a full steel core and a much higher velocity because steel is, as we all know, lighter than lead.
Back in the day we used Tombak plating instead because fucking up the rifling isn't a problem when you have 13x as many barrels as guns.
*i'd like to see the same testing on type #1,2,3 and 4 body armor.*
you should revisit this with 1/4 steel and see what angle does it take to deflect different rounds?
Dangerous?
Just the tip .....
Think Beavis and Butthead laughing now
Appreciate the video!
Try .223 45 grain HP Winchester white box, you may be surprised.
Need to start testing the 8.6 blackout! The next big thing if you will. Planning a lightweight 12" build -faxon has the barrels. Need to get dies and such first. Should be a 6lb rifle lobbing 338 slugs.
I have looked into the 8.6. I just can't seem to justify launching 300 gr 338 pills down range at subsonic velocities since they are so expensive lol. Maybe I will change my mind in the near future. That will be an awesome build though!
@Banana Ballistics ‼️Thanks for your great videos. As you know when you fire 5.56 or 223 at AR500 Hardened Steel under a SLOW MO camera you can see that when the bullet impacts the steel (and is stopped on the surface) the Lead Liquifies and little lead droplets 💦 splatter and all thats left is a small nickel sized pancake of lead that cooled from the Steel Plate and is paper thin that falls to the ground. I have saved a bunch of them for my home display. It seems that the bullet has to peirce through the steel before the friction and compression cause the lead to liquify and lose all its energy. Seems the steel tip and / or core just stops that from happening. Tungsten Rounds seem to do the best because steel won't liquify, but it will fragment, causing the bullet to lose all its energy and Tungsten can stay intact. Would love to see you talk about and do some testing with that. Also, with ballistics, it's not all about how much energy the round carries when it impacts the target. It's how that energy is transferred. I compare it to pulling out a stuck car. Use a chain ⛓️ with a lot of force, and it Rips off the bumper...major damage..but..BUT..use a stretchy rope, and you can use twice the force with no damage occurring. Thanks for all your work and knowledge you are sharing. 💯💯🦅🇺🇸
Ricochet is obvious look at the dirt before plate impact.
300 win mag. With a sabot. There is a video out there of it putting a 55gr FMJ .224 THRU a 1/2 piece of AR500 plate. Of course is was running around 5000fps.
This is why they chose the round. However in reality the number of situations you benefit from the 7 grain penetrator is tiny compared to how often you’ll benefit from the better accuracy and performance of the 55 grain FMJ.
It was sold to NATO successful by FN because it increased the range it could penetrate a steel helmet by like 100 yards I believe. So instead of 500 it was 600. Who the hell was taking head shots at 600 yards with iron sights I don’t know??? It’s possible but very difficult Simo Haya kept his shots around 350 meters I believe at the longest and he used irons. Also killed more men than any sniper in history.
Ultimately I still believe SS109/M855 was a huge mistake over M193 (though we should have gone to 1/9 twist for SMK).
However if we ever go to war against 3/8” mild steel I’ll be grabbing green tip and going to town!!!
I would like to see similar testing against a 77 grain round.
Switching plates is cool. But I would have loved to have seen you go back 50 yards more. Then keep doing that until one of them no longer penetrates the plate. That would have been really cool to see what the effective range is
You need to use a m16a2 length rifle with the same 1 in 7 twist rate. That is what the m855 green tip was designed for.
Good stuff! I'd be interested to see how these rounds penetrate a cast iron engine block. Strictly for scientific interests 😊
Specifically though... What series of "mild" steel was it? 1018? 1020? 1050? 1214?
From what I understand the 5.56 NATO is designed to hit its maximum pressure and fully burn its charge in an 18" barrel. Longer barrels don't give it anymore inertia, they just add accuracy at range but still use about the same twist rate. SBR's do require a different twist rate though because anything under 18" and it's not hitting its peak pressure.
Funny thing about those green tips: everyone acts like they're so social. I never understood all the fuss early on in my military service. We literally plinked at the range with them all the time.
You used them at the range because thats standard issue ammo. Why would you use one type of ammo to zero your rifle, and learn to shoot at the 500, but then use a different type of ammo if SHTF?
@@xrexkinect because the rifles we used in basic and AIT weren't the same ones we used overseas. When I joined in 2003 we were still using the A2 in basic and AIT. Overseas we used the A4, Block II for one deployment, and mk18 for the majority of the time. Even if we used one of those in AIT, it's not like you carry that exact same weapon afterward. So what you zero with in TRADOC is irrelevant.
Nice video... one constructive thought: too many shots of you walking away from the same tree line. Just overdub on a still shot of the plate.
Should do this same test with a black tip 5.56
Where you shooting M193 5.56mm FMJ rounds???
look up Hang Fire. After a "dud" round, wait at least 10 seconds before extracting the round less you lose a body part or two.
I would love to see some 7.62 testing. Since we all can't have fun things. I'm curious about WPA 7.62 steel cased ammo. While figuring out which of my ammo was magnetic. The core of the WPA 7.62x51 is solid metal (not lead). It's magnetic for sure, but since it's a NATO surplus round, I can't find any info on its actual construction.
Some rounds have a bimetal jacket. For example, tula 7.62x39 is magnetic but is lead core
Is that bolt action chambered in 5.56 mm or .223 caliber? Also the M855 was developed for a 20 inch 1 in 7 barrel
The green tip won't penetrate ar500 steel, in fact it only makes a slight little dimple on the entrance side.
i would love to see this with a 16 inch barrel.... i have 2 carbines so it would be interesting. i have both the green tip and standard type. my guess is that on the 1/4 inch with a 16 inch both would still penetrate easily..
You should try some M855A1 projectiles!
Penetration the green tip wins hands down but in lethality that FMJ was tumbling out of that 24inch barrel against a living target that will flatten and just tumble through the target.
Great vid, subbed
Try red tips although expensive I believe they are primarily an accuracy round
Definitely hit dirt with m855 out the 24inch.
Green tips against lightly armored targets or where penetration is desired. Fmj for all else.
Stock up on both gt and fmj. Never know if you'll need more pinatration or not
As a tarkov player, I already knew the green tip would pen further.
Bravo.thenks