These knives are made from stainless steel. Apparently the knife was deliberately immersed in acid. Blades made of the best steel remained almost intact and corrosion appeared on the spacers.
Je pense exactement la même chose; un couteau suisse ne rouille pas. Je pense qu'il y a supercherie et qu'un procédé chimique spécifique a été utilisé pour obtenir un tel niveau de corrosion !!!
100% agree!!! So many of these vids are set up and made to look worse with some inventive rust action. Nearly every single one is clearly fresh/new rust clearly induced! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the restoration but find the fakery to be extremely dishonest and not required.
Some more reasons the video was faked is because the aluminum and plastic on the knife are "rusted" and the stainless steel which sometimes has chromium on it to protect it and make it shinier and chromium DOES NOT RUST also the knife was kept in jeans which he would probably find the knife sooner before it was "rusted"
@@rvling well yk there are alot of ways like if its blue-ish rust its fake second if its stainless steel rusting its fake there are alot of videos exposing this
@@rvlingWe know this video in particular is fake because these tools simply do not rust. There is also unusual corrosion on it. It was likely soaked in acid.
A few years I spotted one in a seawater rock pool. Fairly recently lost. Washing in clean water, several times. Bit of metal polish on a rag for the metalwork, and oil on the joints. Good as new.
From the manufacturer: Victorinox Knives are manufactured using Stainless Steel. Stainless Steel has a high resistance to corrosion. However, this does not mean it is resistant to rust or corrosion if not looked after properly. Regular cleaning and oiling are important for your Swiss Army Knife to function properly. I can email the owner of the knife and ask them how it got this rusty. What we can see is a lot of surface rust that points to neglect.
@@lostandrestoredEven if you leave it outside for a year, a genuine Swiss knife will NEVER rust. At worst, the plastic grips may decay, but nothing more.
I still have my dad's Swiss Army knives from the 90s. I'm planning on getting the XXL (all-in-one model). I always carry an SAK when I visit abandoned buildings.
I was going to call BS on this but, I've detected for years, and this looks very much like items I've found in the red clay soil of California's gold country. I've found plenty of stainless items - flatware, fishing lures, etc. - that look just like this knife. You'd swear it was rust but it's just the iron oxide from the soil deposited on the item. The way the "rust" layer comes off and reveals a shiny, unpitted surface is totally consistent with what I've found.
Victorinox are the best. Still made in Switzerland (Ibach) 🇨🇭If you treat them well, they can be used for decades. Sharpen from. time to time, but not too often.
@fireymkb1234 The plastic scales and aluminum spacers shouldn't have that rust. Also the steel is super stainless. There's not way it would rust like that unless if left under water for a decade.
Found a half buried swiss army knife in the bush last weekend. I'm trying to restore it but it is in very bad conditions. The blades are okish but the internal steel is disintegrating. It must of been half buried for many years.
Hi. What brand is this? I’ve never seen a Victorinox rust like that, ever!! I hardly think that Stainless steel would rust this bad! Thank for the video.
No way, I have a 25 year old Swiss knife (previously daily use for about 5 years) that wound up just sitting in a box and it had built up mildly rusted blades, nowhere near bad looking as this one in the video. Well, when these 'stainless steel' blades rust, they are not just surface rust that you can wipe off. It is pitted into the blade and leaves craters in the blade after detailed cleanup. You'll have a scar face blade, not a perfectly smooth blade. This knife is staged.
Yup👍🏼 I bought my own with my first pay... 1983 It's been in daily use ever since and has never let me down. (I worked on construction sites and was a truckie as well) I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world 😉
@user-ff4qz7iz6w It's a WORKCHAMP. Made by Victorinox in 1983. They were available with black or red grips. I've got the one with black grips, which I guess is rare. (Everyone wanted the "red one"... 😉)
Fun Fact: Victorinox knives do NOT rust like this when you run them through the washing machine. In fact, I have never had one rust and I have carried and used them for 40 years. 😂😂
Swiss Knives are very well popular knife 🔪 in the world. Militaries, campers, collectors and general issues are using Swiss Knives for personal use forever!!! Please visit Switzerland 🇨🇭 to look at Swiss Knife museum, shops and factories. See ya next project! 😊
That is neat. I saw someone else restore a Swiss army knife but they couldn't reinstall the red plastic handle scales, so they custom made some stag scales to replace them instead. It made it a beautiful knife.
Great job on the restoration. Im just curious why you didnt send it into Victoriainox it has a lifetime guarantee on it and customer service here in the usa told me even if something was outside of warranty such as worn out by years of use they would onky charge a small amount to fix it all ,replace broken pieces and such . They said that some things on the alox series might have to be sent to the factory in Switzerland to be fixed and could have a four month turn around time .
I own a climber SAK and never in my five years of constant rough use i have seen it rusted or coroded, NEVER, it´s stainless steel, that´s the least i can expect
Wow!!! A lot of tough comments… maybe some of the skeptics can show us what knives they’ve restored. What’s that… 0 knives restored? I thought so… I think you did a great job on this restoration!!! The Old Army Scout…
nah just basic knowledge of properties of some materials :) and also realistically nobody carries around their multitool with all the stuff fanned out like that
I have an older Victorinox from the 50s or 60s that rusted when I cleaned it and left it to airdry overnight. The rust came off with some oil and elbow grease.
You did a really nice job! The only thing I might have done different would be to put new scales on the knife, or at least polished the old ones to a high gloss.
Have you ever seen a victorinox blade made from stainless steel 1.4110 ? No .. Because this don't happen ! ( and inside the separation are mode from aluminium lol ...who don't rust , but in this video the aluminium parts are orange rusted to ...lol)
So i have a few knives of Victorinox and i only have one with matte scales. And i don't know why it has those. (Im suspecting that it is because it's made for the army, so the matte rough scales don't shine and aren't glossy.) And i have never seen another knive with matte/rough scales, that look like mine. And your knife seems to have some. So pls let me know if i'm right or not.
I have mine for 2 years plus now,bought that to celebrate my first salary 😊 and man I wish someone knew how rough i used them.. I wish I could have another one sometime soon..
Je ne comprends pas comment un couteau suisse en inox peut rouiller !!! là, il faudra m'expliquer !!! ... ou alors, peut-être, il faudrait tout simplement arrêter de nous prendre pour des cons !!
Looks like this fakeo got called out by the audience. Was going to point out that Victorinox SAK's are made from 420J2 steel. A steel that is known in the industry for it's resistance to corrosion. It would take an elaborate mixture of rust inducing chemicals to produce that much scale. As others have mentioned, the lack of deep pitting and damage to the steel is also telling.
Видно не вооруженным глазом, что нож был испорчен намеренно. Сталь Dauphinox так никогда не ржавеет, как и аллюминиевые плашки, которые максимум оксидируются.
Its impossible for victorinox steel to rust like this normally, this knife has obviously been setup to be in that state, probably using chemicals. Also notice how all the rust is only superficial meaning the rust is recent, no rust in the moving joints either
Скорее всего его нашли в Америке в Калифорнии в земле где есть красная глина и он от этого покрылся таким налетом или оксидом железа. То что "ржавчина" отходит очень хорошо это как раз подтверждает мои догадки. Он лежал в глине которая богата на железо или оксид железа.
To nie jest rdza pochodząca z noża. Pewnie nóż leżał wśród innych zardzewiałych przedmiotów i się pobrudził. Stal jest nierdzewna a przekładki są aluminiowe. Zatrzaski w czerwonych okładkach są raczej jednorazowe dlatego okładki wymienia się na nowe.
I've had several Swiss-Army-Pocket knives for 50+ years, and they have never rusted. No I don't do a lot of WD-40 spraying on them either. But I use them daily.
everyones talking about how "the steel never rusts that bad" and are skipping over the fact that the aluminium liners and the PLASTIC SCALES ARE RUSTED
There’s suspicious lack of pitting on those heavily ‘rusted’ stainless steel blades. In the end, they polished up like they were new. Rust doesn’t come from nowhere. It comes from oxidation of the underlying metal. With moderate to heavy rusting you will always get some pitting and loss of the underlying steel.
Either this knife is counterfeit, either this knife has been manipulated I don't know how, but this so-called restoration is a joke. A genuine Swiss army knife is ALWAYS made of stainless steel, so it can't rust !
@@fireymkb1234 Really ? I have four Swiss army knives, some of them are more than ten years old, I use them everyday, even outside. None of them never had the smallest spot of rust. Stainless steel indeed can rust, but not in normal conditions of use, and in particular these knives, made with very high quality steel. Only salt and some acids can make stainless steel rust, but pitted like this one, it's clear that the guy soaked it in some kind of acid and did it on purpose. Stupid !
@@fireymkb1234I’ve left a Swiss Army knife out in the rain for weeks, and the only thing I saw was a small piece of rust on the blade that I wiped with my shirt.
These knives are made from stainless steel. Apparently the knife was deliberately immersed in acid. Blades made of the best steel remained almost intact and corrosion appeared on the spacers.
i noticed that.
Je pense exactement la même chose; un couteau suisse ne rouille pas. Je pense qu'il y a supercherie et qu'un procédé chimique spécifique a été utilisé pour obtenir un tel niveau de corrosion !!!
Is a fake
100% agree!!!
So many of these vids are set up and made to look worse with some inventive rust action.
Nearly every single one is clearly fresh/new rust clearly induced!
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the restoration but find the fakery to be extremely dishonest and not required.
Exactly
How did those aluminum liners get rusty?
Lol ...and how stainless steel 1.4110 get rusted lol
It's fake
@@Plutopongovideos
Gee! Ya think so?!😏
@@Eagle48 yeah
Some more reasons the video was faked is because the aluminum and plastic on the knife are "rusted" and the stainless steel which sometimes has chromium on it to protect it and make it shinier and chromium DOES NOT RUST also the knife was kept in jeans which he would probably find the knife sooner before it was "rusted"
I have seen one of these knives found in an excavation of a wet garbage dump. Stainless steel was intact.
Dude... You left the iron on!!!😂😂
Who the hell wears gloves when ironing?
How fake do you want this to be
Him: yes
how do we know if something like this real then
@@rvling well yk there are alot of ways like if its blue-ish rust its fake second if its stainless steel rusting its fake there are alot of videos exposing this
Very very true lost the welding footage? That’s suspicious
Funny how the name on the blade is still there
@@rvlingWe know this video in particular is fake because these tools simply do not rust. There is also unusual corrosion on it. It was likely soaked in acid.
4:06 for ESL/non-native English speakers, the joke is that "weekend immune system" sounds like "weakened immune system" 😂
"I said, it must be *my weakened immune system* here, baby...🤕"
05:00 Time to *cleaning-off any leftover grime* here, baby...
The other part of the joke is that he's saying he's immune to getting sick on weekends which is why he only gets sick on work days.
Pretty cool that it was left abandoned to rust with all items fanned out so you could see each one.
Even the aluminum spacer plates seemed to rust as well.
Aluminum can't rust it only tarnishes
@@Plutopongovideos No shit. It’s a joke
There's no way that's a real Swiss Army knife. They're made of Aluminum and Stainless steel and wouldn't rust like that.
he put it in acid
A few years I spotted one in a seawater rock pool. Fairly recently lost. Washing in clean water, several times. Bit of metal polish on a rag for the metalwork, and oil on the joints. Good as new.
How can this be so "Rusty" I always thought the Swiss' had the finest' steel in the world, not to mention stainless steel 🤔
From the manufacturer: Victorinox Knives are manufactured using Stainless Steel. Stainless Steel has a high resistance to corrosion. However, this does not mean it is resistant to rust or corrosion if not looked after properly. Regular cleaning and oiling are important for your Swiss Army Knife to function properly.
I can email the owner of the knife and ask them how it got this rusty. What we can see is a lot of surface rust that points to neglect.
@@lostandrestoredEven if you leave it outside for a year, a genuine Swiss knife will NEVER rust. At worst, the plastic grips may decay, but nothing more.
The liners are rusty as fuck. Please explain to me how aluminium gets rusty….? Obviously faked for this video.
It can not lol ...except if you paint it in rusty orange. That's why nobody has seen 1.4110 steel so rusty before this fake lol
Aluminum doesn’t rust…..but it does oxidize I think and get a white powdery crust. So I think that is legit.
Here's a more accurate title: "Restoring a perfectly good Swiss army knife that I deliberately ruined in order to make this video."
How do you get a stainless knife to rust like this?
Did not know plastic could rust 🤣🤣🤣
I still have my dad's Swiss Army knives from the 90s. I'm planning on getting the XXL (all-in-one model). I always carry an SAK when I visit abandoned buildings.
I carry a revolver sorry
I was going to call BS on this but, I've detected for years, and this looks very much like items I've found in the red clay soil of California's gold country. I've found plenty of stainless items - flatware, fishing lures, etc. - that look just like this knife. You'd swear it was rust but it's just the iron oxide from the soil deposited on the item. The way the "rust" layer comes off and reveals a shiny, unpitted surface is totally consistent with what I've found.
I have run Victorinox Swiss army knives through the wash many times and they do not rust.
Ummm, these knives never rust so this is bullshit
Agreed. I haven't had one rust yet, in over 50 years use.
😂😂 that's exactly what I was thinking kind of like the Kinsler Brothers with guns
They do corrode tho
As a wastewater operator at a plating company I can confirm they do rust when used for repair work around industrial chemicals
Thanks for saving me writing
Nice. This is very odd. I found one today going through my 3 year deceased dad's cigar box and it is in pristine condition...
It was stored in a different environment than this one anything can change depending on where it is
Victorinox are the best. Still made in Switzerland (Ibach) 🇨🇭If you treat them well, they can be used for decades. Sharpen from. time to time, but not too often.
@fireymkb1234 The plastic scales and aluminum spacers shouldn't have that rust. Also the steel is super stainless. There's not way it would rust like that unless if left under water for a decade.
Eso no es viejo.. Es oxidado con un producto..El plástico no se oxida... Solo es limpiarlo y ya está... Hagan vídeos de antigüedades reales
Bien dit...
Victorinox = Victory + Inoxidant. How is rusted so badly?
@AlessioRizzi-g3cвообще то видно что ржавчина. Либо годами лежал в воде а автор видео нашёл либо это качественный закос под Швейцарию.
Found a half buried swiss army knife in the bush last weekend. I'm trying to restore it but it is in very bad conditions. The blades are okish but the internal steel is disintegrating. It must of been half buried for many years.
I can only like this once, but know that you've made an old Boy Scout very happy with this one.
Hi. What brand is this? I’ve never seen a Victorinox rust like that, ever!! I hardly think that Stainless steel would rust this bad! Thank for the video.
It said "Victorinon"
No way, I have a 25 year old Swiss knife (previously daily use for about 5 years) that wound up just sitting in a box and it had built up mildly rusted blades, nowhere near bad looking as this one in the video. Well, when these 'stainless steel' blades rust, they are not just surface rust that you can wipe off. It is pitted into the blade and leaves craters in the blade after detailed cleanup. You'll have a scar face blade, not a perfectly smooth blade. This knife is staged.
Agreed. I have had several of those knives and they could never ever end up like this one ... even the aluminium is rusty on this one. Fake.
Great job Jason, still have a original Swiss Army knife from the early 70’s in perfect condition since I was a kid
Yup👍🏼
I bought my own with my first pay...
1983
It's been in daily use ever since and has never let me down.
(I worked on construction sites and was a truckie as well) I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world 😉
Because they’re made of stainless steel and the one in the video was purposely ruined to make this
@user-ff4qz7iz6w It's a WORKCHAMP. Made by Victorinox in 1983.
They were available with black or red grips. I've got the one with black grips, which I guess is rare. (Everyone wanted the "red one"... 😉)
Fun Fact: Victorinox knives do NOT rust like this when you run them through the washing machine. In fact, I have never had one rust and I have carried and used them for 40 years. 😂😂
Wow, even celedor plastic scales were rusted. So genuine.
You gotta have a lot of hate in your heart to ruin a quality knife like that. Great job bringing her back!
Victorinox has a lifetime guarantee.
Complete restoration is not expensive either.
Помимо того что ржавчина просто не естественно выглядит, настораживает что все инструменты в открытом состоянии😅
Это оксид железа которым богата Калифорния.
Swiss Knives are very well popular knife 🔪 in the world.
Militaries, campers, collectors and general issues are using Swiss Knives for personal use forever!!!
Please visit Switzerland 🇨🇭 to look at Swiss Knife museum, shops and factories.
See ya next project! 😊
But this is not an army knife and they NEVER get rusty!
That is neat. I saw someone else restore a Swiss army knife but they couldn't reinstall the red plastic handle scales, so they custom made some stag scales to replace them instead. It made it a beautiful knife.
Someday you should restore that baking sheet.
Great job on the restoration. Im just curious why you didnt send it into Victoriainox it has a lifetime guarantee on it and customer service here in the usa told me even if something was outside of warranty such as worn out by years of use they would onky charge a small amount to fix it all ,replace broken pieces and such . They said that some things on the alox series might have to be sent to the factory in Switzerland to be fixed and could have a four month turn around time .
Something fishy going on here. I mean its swiss army and they always use the best stainless steels.
05:25 "Victorinon's *Swiss-made Stainless Steel Knife* 🔪"
@@rahadianaryo5979 you can make it rust if you use acid
Seit wann rosten diese Messer?
I had many of Victorinox/Wenger knives. It could never get so rusty. This video is definitely fake.
I agree. Stainless steel can't get rusty.
Nice! About the plastic sides, you can also make wet sand (2500 grid) and buffing, be perfect like new.
Would help to know the solutions you used for cleaning and de-rusting.
What are the secret cleaners used? I didn't see them or see them mentioned....
toothpick one looks like Fast Orange hand cleaner
Это ав чём стирали джинсы, что довели Викторинокс до такого состояния?
Одно могу сказать - джинсы просто класс!
Kudos for the work, I would have bought new one.
Wow even the aluminum parts rusted. Amazing. 🤣
FAKE
I own a climber SAK and never in my five years of constant rough use i have seen it rusted or coroded, NEVER, it´s stainless steel, that´s the least i can expect
Wow!!! A lot of tough comments… maybe some of the skeptics can show us what knives they’ve restored. What’s that… 0 knives restored? I thought so… I think you did a great job on this restoration!!! The Old Army Scout…
nah just basic knowledge of properties of some materials :)
and also realistically nobody carries around their multitool with all the stuff fanned out like that
Да он из нержавейки. И где ржавые пятна на джинсах?
Quedó linda nuevamente la cortaplumas suiza. Por lo menos unos seis años mas para seguir usandola
What solution did you use to remove the rust?
I have an older Victorinox from the 50s or 60s that rusted when I cleaned it and left it to airdry overnight. The rust came off with some oil and elbow grease.
You did a really nice job! The only thing I might have done different would be to put new scales on the knife, or at least polished the old ones to a high gloss.
Have you ever seen a victorinox blade made from stainless steel 1.4110 ?
No ..
Because this don't happen ! ( and inside the separation are mode from aluminium lol ...who don't rust , but in this video the aluminium parts are orange rusted to ...lol)
I was thinking about the same
Pretty neat trick to get stainless steel to rust & to such a degree.
So i have a few knives of Victorinox and i only have one with matte scales. And i don't know why it has those. (Im suspecting that it is because it's made for the army, so the matte rough scales don't shine and aren't glossy.) And i have never seen another knive with matte/rough scales, that look like mine. And your knife seems to have some. So pls let me know if i'm right or not.
I have mine for 2 years plus now,bought that to celebrate my first salary 😊
and man I wish someone knew how rough i used them..
I wish I could have another one sometime soon..
Which version is this one?
I suspect strongly that this knife was deliberately damaged. However, the restoration was entertaining.
Je ne comprends pas comment un couteau suisse en inox peut rouiller !!! là, il faudra m'expliquer !!!
... ou alors, peut-être, il faudrait tout simplement arrêter de nous prendre pour des cons !!
En son kabzenin içine koyduğu pamuk gib şey nedir? Neden koydu?
Ur skills are amazing !
Yo creo que podria invertir en tiempo y quitarle el oxido a las tenazas y al martillo
Looks like this fakeo got called out by the audience. Was going to point out that Victorinox SAK's are made from 420J2 steel. A steel that is known in the industry for it's resistance to corrosion. It would take an elaborate mixture of rust inducing chemicals to produce that much scale. As others have mentioned, the lack of deep pitting and damage to the steel is also telling.
Ma da dove lo hai pescato, il vitorinox è in acciaio inox dei migliori!
Видно не вооруженным глазом, что нож был испорчен намеренно. Сталь Dauphinox так никогда не ржавеет, как и аллюминиевые плашки, которые максимум оксидируются.
ビクトリノックスとビクトリノックスファンへの冒涜です。
How did the white clothes turn out in the washing machine? Ha Ha something is not right here...
Very good >>>>>> Thank you
Was this really worth it? Or, was this a waste of time and resourses?
Its impossible for victorinox steel to rust like this normally, this knife has obviously been setup to be in that state, probably using chemicals. Also notice how all the rust is only superficial meaning the rust is recent, no rust in the moving joints either
I used to have a knife just like this one when I was a kid. No idea where it is now.
wow, very good job, it looks like new, I congratulate you...
Comment est ce possible faire rouiller un couteau en inox ?
Complimenti ottimo lavoro.
HOW do you "rust" stainless ?
Some acid.
Что нужно было сделать с ножом, чтобы нержавейка покрылась таким налетом... Обильно полить лимонным соком и закопать? История ножа есть?
Скорее всего его нашли в Америке в Калифорнии в земле где есть красная глина и он от этого покрылся таким налетом или оксидом железа. То что "ржавчина" отходит очень хорошо это как раз подтверждает мои догадки. Он лежал в глине которая богата на железо или оксид железа.
I had a Swiss army knife just like this as a kid. It's cool to see one get restored so well.
To nie jest rdza pochodząca z noża. Pewnie nóż leżał wśród innych zardzewiałych przedmiotów i się pobrudził. Stal jest nierdzewna a przekładki są aluminiowe. Zatrzaski w czerwonych okładkach są raczej jednorazowe dlatego okładki wymienia się na nowe.
Las navajas suizas son sinónimo de calidad ,no se oxidan
How does a stainless steel knife rust?
I have a Victorianox multi tool as my work key chain for the past 15 years. It takes a whole damn lot to get it to that condition. 😅
The next video will be a Delorean with rusted covered body panels. Just wait, someone will do it.
Totally using that joke btw. And that turned out so clean. I still would never use the toothpick.
You can still use it as a ziptie opener, lol
pensé que todas eran acero inoxidable
The aluminum is ate up, as well as the rusted stainless. I call BS
I've had several Swiss-Army-Pocket knives for 50+ years, and they have never rusted. No I don't do a lot of WD-40 spraying on them either. But I use them daily.
las vic no se oxidan
The rustier the start, the nicer the end result. 👍
Never knew the PLASTIC scales on my SAK were prone to rust! Must take better care of mine in future - thanks for the warning! 🙄
Great job !! Realy !!!
Sorry mate, but I've never seen a Victorinox stainless steel knife rust... in decades... many decades. ;)
Incredible!! Very well, nice channel. subscribed!
May have been in with old tools with water.stainless steel attracts the rust after water evaporates
La plancha quemando el pantalón de Don Ramón, no hay piedad😂.
Oops, what about the Iron you left on the pants.?😮
I don't know Rick it seems fake 🤔 with Victorinox steel that doesn't happen and even less so with aluminum parts
How to repaint red Victorinox Nail Clip 580 to black?
Это в стиральной машине, он так заржавел?
Лет 100 назад?
Nice job brother. Like from Mumbai, India.
everyones talking about how "the steel never rusts that bad" and are skipping over the fact that the aluminium liners and the PLASTIC SCALES ARE RUSTED
There’s suspicious lack of pitting on those heavily ‘rusted’ stainless steel blades. In the end, they polished up like they were new. Rust doesn’t come from nowhere. It comes from oxidation of the underlying metal. With moderate to heavy rusting you will always get some pitting and loss of the underlying steel.
Ooh, haven't seen metal tweezers in a long time! (They tend to get misplaced)
Either this knife is counterfeit, either this knife has been manipulated I don't know how, but this so-called restoration is a joke. A genuine Swiss army knife is ALWAYS made of stainless steel, so it can't rust !
Just because it’s stainless steel does not mean it can’t rust
@@fireymkb1234 Really ? I have four Swiss army knives, some of them are more than ten years old, I use them everyday, even outside. None of them never had the smallest spot of rust. Stainless steel indeed can rust, but not in normal conditions of use, and in particular these knives, made with very high quality steel. Only salt and some acids can make stainless steel rust, but pitted like this one, it's clear that the guy soaked it in some kind of acid and did it on purpose. Stupid !
@@fireymkb1234I’ve left a Swiss Army knife out in the rain for weeks, and the only thing I saw was a small piece of rust on the blade that I wiped with my shirt.
Agreed this is crap