I literally just audibly shouted "what !!!! oh my god!" I honestly didn't believe you. At first. I thought this video was going to be clickbait. But you did it. Thank you so much!
Wow. Brilliant trick man I would have never thought to do this. Before this I was putting in trigless trigs on the 8th notes and manually setting the start point of the sample to where it should be on each step…which did work but was a pain in the ass…this is much quicker and effective. Nice job!
Works very good, i'm still trying to understand how it works i can't imagine to come up with a solution like this, thanks a lot besides your wiseness you're super kind to share this with us.
Just came across this as on,y just got my rtym mk2 great tutorial shame you don’t have many followers but thank you I did not see no newer ones with the new firmware
Humans are amazing problem solvers given limitations! I was watching a documentary in which prison inmates were able to communicate and make physical transactions through toilets.
That was the one thing that paused me on AR - no time stretch given that it’s a flagship machine from Elektron, and you know they can add that if they wanted too. But, this is an excellent workaround!
Great tip! Using the velocity ramp is genius. Technically it's beat slicing/chopping (nondestructive chopping in MPC terminology), not timestretching, hence the clicks and other limitations. But, because it's beat slicing, you can remix (flip) the beat by changing velocity of selected triggers (for the viewers: velocity mod let's you select a 'slice' using velocity).
you can manage the clicks by setting up a very smooth amplitude enveloppe (which would sound like a gate effetc if you overdo it), or, by masking them with amp overdrive
Not for me. While it is a brilliant workaround, the method takes ages compared to the OT. Not to mention that looping samples on the AR is a pain in the ass + only 1 gb of internal storage. The OT remains undefeated 😎
Amazing solution! Very, very cool. Thanks! Looks like there's room to explore more as you started down the path with endpoints. An invitation to tweak!
Been debating on pulling the trigger on one if these to produce jungle/dnb but the lack of a time stretch feature had me pulling my hair out. But thanks to you I can now have a sampler with pads, analog filters and time stretching! (and external sequencing and analog drum synth engines and analog buss effects)
I think the Rytm is an awesome machine for the crunchy jungle sound. However, if time stretching is an integral part of your workflow, be advised that the quality using the technique I presented is still quite limited.
@@HerrShield i rewatched what you do a few times now. what i dont understand: why ist the loop playing as it does? you retrigger 1/32 the sample. So it sets the start point with each trigger back to the 119 value? and thats keep the sample play in time. do i understand it right? thats why the "timestretch" sounds so nice and not grain like as on the OT. i realy whish that they had made more sample ram in the maschine. it could be my only instrument for playing live. my actual setup is the tr8-s, op-1, subsequent 37 and a macbook with ableton live. much to much stuff to get from gig to gig xD
@@dankefurnichts Yes, for each of the retriggers the start point of the sample is used, and on top of that there is an offset applied that comes from the velocity ramp. I wouldn’t say that the quality of the Rytm time stretching can stand it’s ground next to the octatrack, for softer sounds the clicking that comes from the retriggers becomes quite obvious on the Rytm.
So this technique is really nice, however one problem: the beat doesn’t map to the original BPM anymore. I haven’t measured precisely but it seems that a BPM of half recovered the original beat (amen break at 148 seems to play normally at 74)
This is a killer trick. Thanks so much for sharing. Considering the machine has the ability to time stretch like this. It’s a shame there’s no built in slice/time stretch mode built in that would function in much the same way. Can you imagine mapping a loop timestretched to the 16 steps automatically. But also trigger slices w the pads??
I guess this would be entering into Octatrack market territory and for this reason it is not implemented. IMHO this is the ONLY missing feature for this machine to reach perfection
A great technique, but the clicking is a bummer. Every retrig has a click at the start, making it impossible for the trick to work with, lets say, keyboard samples. Or am I doing something wrong? I could not figure out how to get rid of it with filters/attack etc... Quite disappointing :( Any suggestions on how to get rid of it?
@@HerrShield Well. I guess we'll have to wait for the Electron to implement this feature. Until then I will use your technique, Herr Shield. Despite the limitation its a brilliant and smart workaround! Thank you very much!
I try it now fieuw times and every step that i do works and sound the same like on your tutorial, and when i do the last thing in the vel mod its fucked what i do wrong... I have elektron mk1...
that's hard to say, having too much time I guess? :D I occasionally try to do deep dives into features that I have not used yet and try to figure out ways to misuse them. And sometimes accidentally things fall into place like this technique :)
@Herr Shield, noticed a lot of clicking when streching vocals, which is almost eliminated when reducing retrig rate to 1/4. Do you get this clicking too?
Yes that clicking is unfortunately expected. With softer sounds it will become more obvious. The rate depends a lot on the content, for drums that you would want very accurate 1/4 might not be fine enough but might be fine with vocals.
@@HerrShield thank you for your answer :) researched a bit about clicking, it is caused by the fact that grains don't start/end at 0 amplitude. Maybe your technique opens a possibility to use the LFO for this purpose and make it work smoothly. I will try it and let you know.
@@stefanbrekke2973 Didn't find time to try it. In theory if you ramp the start of each re-trigger from 0 velocity it should be smoother. This technique is used in granular synthesis to make the sounds less harsh.
hmm, can you be a bit more specific? What doesn't work exactly? You need to make sure that you take the correct length of the sample into account, if it doesn't line up with 16 or 32 beats, you will have to do a bit of math to get the velocity mappings right. But I think it's easier to just cut the sample so that it can loop cleanly.
@@HerrShield thanks for the reply! so if i just put the full unedited amen break on step 1 and follow these settings it wont be a perfect 16 step loop itll retrigger a few times then play the sample really fast. which leads me to think i need to edit the sample to line up with 16 or 32 beats? does this mean i have to stretch it in a daw? sorry if this makes no sense im still learning the terms and processes
@@VirtualOverride95 when you loop your current sample, for example in a daw, does it loop correctly? With the technique I showed, the re-trigger velocity ramps have a parameter how much velocity should increase/decrease, and this will control how far it will traverse in the sample. The re-trigger menu also has a length parameter, and this setting needs to match with the steps in your sequencer, you should only ever hear re-triggers and not the rest of the sample.
@@HerrShield i will test out the looping thing when i get home but im going to say no and in order for your technique to work here it will have to loop correctly first right? the best way to get it to loop correctly is to slice it or stretch it out a bit correct?
@@HerrShield hey so i noticed this works with 4 bar breaks, but the amen break im trying to use is 16 bars which i think translates to 64 beats, so technically this is too long to work correct?
Yeah that would be awesome. Even enabling to modulate multiple targets with one LFO would already be greatly appreciated. Maybe add velocity or aftertouch as LFO targets @elektron? :)
I literally just audibly shouted "what !!!! oh my god!"
I honestly didn't believe you. At first. I thought this video was going to be clickbait. But you did it. Thank you so much!
Just watched and had the exact same thoughts. Utterly genius 👍
Man, you are a genius! What a smart utilization of velocity. Basically you opened my eyes on “a second LFO” in the Rytm.
Thank you! :)
yep and bonus it's controllable in different ways to the LFO
Wow. Brilliant trick man I would have never thought to do this. Before this I was putting in trigless trigs on the 8th notes and manually setting the start point of the sample to where it should be on each step…which did work but was a pain in the ass…this is much quicker and effective. Nice job!
Works very good, i'm still trying to understand how it works i can't imagine to come up with a solution like this, thanks a lot besides your wiseness you're super kind to share this with us.
Just came across this as on,y just got my rtym mk2 great tutorial shame you don’t have many followers but thank you I did not see no newer ones with the new firmware
Humans are amazing problem solvers given limitations!
I was watching a documentary in which prison inmates were able to communicate and make physical transactions through toilets.
Oh my, you are a genius.. well done. This is my biggest gripe with this kit.. and you fixed it.
that is amazing mate. youre a genious, thank you
That was the one thing that paused me on AR - no time stretch given that it’s a flagship machine from Elektron, and you know they can add that if they wanted too. But, this is an excellent workaround!
Masterclass I’ve used the velocity modulation for many funny things but never thought of something like this ! Thank you so much for sharing it
Peace
Thank you so much. 🤩👍I didn’t know it has a velocity macro option. 🤔🤓 Great tutorial!
🤩 awesome 👏 thx man!!!
You my kind sir, are a genius. I salute you.
Great tip! Using the velocity ramp is genius. Technically it's beat slicing/chopping (nondestructive chopping in MPC terminology), not timestretching, hence the clicks and other limitations. But, because it's beat slicing, you can remix (flip) the beat by changing velocity of selected triggers (for the viewers: velocity mod let's you select a 'slice' using velocity).
you can manage the clicks by setting up a very smooth amplitude enveloppe (which would sound like a gate effetc if you overdo it), or, by masking them with amp overdrive
Wow! You can even use it on Model:Samples!
The simpliest groovebox can do time stratching!
Thank you very much for this technique it's just GOLD!
Brilliant programming of the Rytm.
Wow! Just wow.
As a new AR operator, this is a gift! Thanks a million!
Amazing technique! Thanks for sharing.
Wow man!! I was looking for that [Trig + ^ ] trigger menu! Finally I found the spot to easily create those stretches and rapid fills. Bless you man!
This is a game changer! Thanks!!
thanks for the tips
MIND BLOWN!
JUST GENIUS! thank you sensei!!!
This is absolutely fantastic!! Thank you very much for sharing this valuable information...!
Brilliant. Was looking for that!
Brilliant
absolutely stunning, you've removed most of my octatrack's job however and she is upset.
Not for me. While it is a brilliant workaround, the method takes ages compared to the OT. Not to mention that looping samples on the AR is a pain in the ass + only 1 gb of internal storage. The OT remains undefeated 😎
You're a genius!
Awesome...!
absolutely fucking insane dude, you’re my hero
Dude, this is strait genius level. Seriously, as soon as you said it I was like.. duh. So good!
Thank you! 🙏
exactly.
Brillant !
Like this guy sayed , "You opened my eyes " on this machine , thanks you 😍
Tank u!
Great hack mate, awesome work.
Brilliant tip! Thank you!
Wow, you are smart!
Great, thanks so much!
Amazing solution! Very, very cool. Thanks!
Looks like there's room to explore more as you started down the path with endpoints. An invitation to tweak!
Thanks man, truly something I’d never have figured out myself, and so useful
What a great starting point to explore. Thank you so much for the idea.
This is most useful, thanks for sharing your techniques!
Been debating on pulling the trigger on one if these to produce jungle/dnb but the lack of a time stretch feature had me pulling my hair out. But thanks to you I can now have a sampler with pads, analog filters and time stretching! (and external sequencing and analog drum synth engines and analog buss effects)
I think the Rytm is an awesome machine for the crunchy jungle sound. However, if time stretching is an integral part of your workflow, be advised that the quality using the technique I presented is still quite limited.
Thanks for this awesome tutorial. Can’t wait to try this!
What... Amazing thanks for this!
Mind blown. Thanks for this.
What a neat trick! Thank you for sharing!
Fantastic method, thanks for sharing!
Now this is really clever, thanks!
Genius
Black Belt Level Tutorial! Thanks!
Thank you so much!
invaluable!
good find!
incroyable
wow
klasse tip! kann man das sample einfach austauschen oder muss ich das alles immer neu setzen?
Hi! Yes, you can exchange the sample since it’s length is not part of any of the related settings!
@@HerrShield Nice!!!
@@HerrShield i rewatched what you do a few times now. what i dont understand: why ist the loop playing as it does? you retrigger 1/32 the sample. So it sets the start point with each trigger back to the 119 value? and thats keep the sample play in time. do i understand it right? thats why the "timestretch" sounds so nice and not grain like as on the OT. i realy whish that they had made more sample ram in the maschine. it could be my only instrument for playing live.
my actual setup is the tr8-s, op-1, subsequent 37 and a macbook with ableton live. much to much stuff to get from gig to gig xD
@@dankefurnichts Yes, for each of the retriggers the start point of the sample is used, and on top of that there is an offset applied that comes from the velocity ramp.
I wouldn’t say that the quality of the Rytm time stretching can stand it’s ground next to the octatrack, for softer sounds the clicking that comes from the retriggers becomes quite obvious on the Rytm.
Wow!! Super helpfull 🙂 thanks!!
very cool trick!
this is literally a hack :) thank you!
Danke danke dankee!!!!
I try it with kick bass combinations but unfortunately it is not working smooth the sample gets gritty because i can hear it retrigering all the time
Yeah this is a pretty lo-fi technique. It works best when you have busy samples where the clicks are less audible.
So using this trick means that I cannot use the velocity parameter per step anymore for controlling volumes?
yes correct, however you could parameter lock the volume parameter instead
@@HerrShield ah ofcourse, thanks!
legend!
So this technique is really nice, however one problem: the beat doesn’t map to the original BPM anymore. I haven’t measured precisely but it seems that a BPM of half recovered the original beat (amen break at 148 seems to play normally at 74)
you can compensate for this by either changing the length of the re-trigger or the amount of velocity change
This is a killer trick. Thanks so much for sharing. Considering the machine has the ability to time stretch like this. It’s a shame there’s no built in slice/time stretch mode built in that would function in much the same way. Can you imagine mapping a loop timestretched to the 16 steps automatically. But also trigger slices w the pads??
this is a very interesting point given the capability is already there. wondering if anyone has included it in future enhancements requests
I guess this would be entering into Octatrack market territory and for this reason it is not implemented. IMHO this is the ONLY missing feature for this machine to reach perfection
Can I use this technique Also for machinedrum?
As far as I remember the machinedrum neither has retrigger nor the velocity mapping and thus cannot do this.
Thanks! After trying different samples I notice there are some pops and crackles with some, is this to be expected?
Yes, this is unfortunately expected. This technique is a quite hacky workaround and cannot achieve what DAWs are capable of.
@@HerrShield Ok thanks! Great tip anyway
A great technique, but the clicking is a bummer. Every retrig has a click at the start, making it impossible for the trick to work with, lets say, keyboard samples. Or am I doing something wrong?
I could not figure out how to get rid of it with filters/attack etc... Quite disappointing :(
Any suggestions on how to get rid of it?
Yeah, this is unfortunately to be expected. I haven't found a good reliable way to remove the clicks either :(
@@HerrShield Well. I guess we'll have to wait for the Electron to implement this feature.
Until then I will use your technique, Herr Shield. Despite the limitation its a brilliant and smart workaround! Thank you very much!
I try it now fieuw times and every step that i do works and sound the same like on your tutorial, and when i do the last thing in the vel mod its fucked what i do wrong... I have elektron mk1...
This is cool! How/where did you figure this out???
that's hard to say, having too much time I guess? :D I occasionally try to do deep dives into features that I have not used yet and try to figure out ways to misuse them. And sometimes accidentally things fall into place like this technique :)
Is this tutorial available in text steps format? I tried following the vid but can’t get it to work. :(
Which part is not working and what is the problem you are seeing?
Just curious if anyone can help, is it possible to play a pad with an external keyboard? Like the chromatically play a sample on a single pad/track?
Yes, it is possible to control and play the individual tracks using midi. It will not work together with this time stretching technique though
@Herr Shield, noticed a lot of clicking when streching vocals, which is almost eliminated when reducing retrig rate to 1/4. Do you get this clicking too?
Yes that clicking is unfortunately expected. With softer sounds it will become more obvious. The rate depends a lot on the content, for drums that you would want very accurate 1/4 might not be fine enough but might be fine with vocals.
@@HerrShield thank you for your answer :) researched a bit about clicking, it is caused by the fact that grains don't start/end at 0 amplitude. Maybe your technique opens a possibility to use the LFO for this purpose and make it work smoothly. I will try it and let you know.
Any solution?
@@stefanbrekke2973 Didn't find time to try it. In theory if you ramp the start of each re-trigger from 0 velocity it should be smoother. This technique is used in granular synthesis to make the sounds less harsh.
À small amount of attack on the amp envelope might solve the issue.
Anyone else struggling to get this working? Ive matched the settings countless times and still only hear stuttering on playback
what kind of stuttering? Does the velocity mapping work on its own without the retriggers?
Oh my god ! What a nerdy way to get nasty !
i tried this technique with the full amen break and it doesnt work. is it because the sample is too long? im very new to this stuff
hmm, can you be a bit more specific? What doesn't work exactly? You need to make sure that you take the correct length of the sample into account, if it doesn't line up with 16 or 32 beats, you will have to do a bit of math to get the velocity mappings right. But I think it's easier to just cut the sample so that it can loop cleanly.
@@HerrShield thanks for the reply! so if i just put the full unedited amen break on step 1 and follow these settings it wont be a perfect 16 step loop itll retrigger a few times then play the sample really fast. which leads me to think i need to edit the sample to line up with 16 or 32 beats? does this mean i have to stretch it in a daw? sorry if this makes no sense im still learning the terms and processes
@@VirtualOverride95 when you loop your current sample, for example in a daw, does it loop correctly? With the technique I showed, the re-trigger velocity ramps have a parameter how much velocity should increase/decrease, and this will control how far it will traverse in the sample. The re-trigger menu also has a length parameter, and this setting needs to match with the steps in your sequencer, you should only ever hear re-triggers and not the rest of the sample.
@@HerrShield i will test out the looping thing when i get home but im going to say no and in order for your technique to work here it will have to loop correctly first right? the best way to get it to loop correctly is to slice it or stretch it out a bit correct?
@@HerrShield hey so i noticed this works with 4 bar breaks, but the amen break im trying to use is 16 bars which i think translates to 64 beats, so technically this is too long to work correct?
🚀🚀🚀❤️
It’s a pity elektron don’t allow rerouting of LFOs to other tracks. 12 LFOs and they should be freely assignable...
Yeah that would be awesome. Even enabling to modulate multiple targets with one LFO would already be greatly appreciated. Maybe add velocity or aftertouch as LFO targets @elektron? :)
But this is not time stretching... still, very useful, thanks.
I’m not sure why but this is not working for me…
Brilliant