@@AftermathRV I took humanist Ideas and lol, I had no rebels at all even when I took 20+provinces from 1 war, I just was running from point to point and killing indians 1 by one
protip: you can save a huge amount of admin points if you let ming implode as much as possible and take the "ming extinguished" mission giving you cores on the entire china subcontinent.
Yes, and apart from taking Nanjing and Canton it probably is worth to wait for that. Of course you should still attack Ming and breakaway tags as often as possible to milk them for money and prestige.
I completed this mission and had all cores in 1508 by strategically assisting the mingsplosion without coring anything except a few provinces in Northern China. You want to completely wreck ming in the first war so that as many rebels pop as possible, then cycle between attacking a tributary to reset the truce timer to 5 years and conquering from ming again - keep as many tributaries around to make this easy, as ming will white peace on day 1 due to mandate being threatened, and give all conquered land to a vassal(s) which can be integrated instantly & for free when you get cores. There are a couple of provinces in the south/west that you have to return to other nations (i.e. Kham), and you have to ensure you can occupy 25 provinces & devastate a 25 dev city in Northern China for the missions, but otherwise it's easy
Sebstian Derflingher Ajuria The banner nerfs made it so the banners are weaker, require more dev per unit, and are slower to reinforce, however, they also cost half maintenance. I would take the faster mil tech over the 2-3 banners we lose from razing.
if you complete the mission ''bypass the great wall'' after declaring war, you immediately occupy the first fort on your border (shenyang or something), so you can immediately go for beijing
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If you just wait for Ming to pass their first decision before you declare war they'll be down to 20 mandate and the Treachery at the Great Wall event will actually be useful to you. Also you'll be able to wipe all their armies without much hassle. That first war should have gone a lot better.
Yeah. They can destroy ming in the first few years and run unapposed into china, devpushing institutions and being in a position to form Yuan and the Mongol empire (immediately after; not being a horde sucks) waaay earlier than any other strategy can. The Changtai-Uzbek alliance sucks, though. I'm still unsure if its a better idea to invade India through tibet early or if one should expand through the steppe.
Oirat is Definitely the Strongest. Th took Beijing and 2 others provinces plus over 2000 money in the First war. Then I annexed most of Manchuria to get 300 dev but Ming had already started to explode. I managed to take all of China in 100 years.
@Angry Abortion "As they should be" not really, i mean the Four Oirats were strong and Esen Taishi was a great general, but they failed at taking Beijing(at the time Peking) and then were destroyed, so the game is actually not realistic by making Ming look this weak, Ming only fell in the 1600+ but in-game they always fail before 1500 way to easy and fast now.
@@Real_SkyRipper Although they can't take Beijing, they did capture the emperor of Ming, meaning that Oriats almost could win the war. So, I think Ming should not be so strong, considering that they are not too competent to fight Wakou, Japan, Oriats, Mongol and Manchu.
Instead of full annexing Haixi at the start, I've found that you can usually trick Ming into defending you in a defensive war if you vassalize Udege. Ally Yeren, declare on Udege, take their capital, then break alliance with Yeren after they declare on Udege. Take some provinces and maybe bordergore your way to Solon, vassalize Udege and get called into their war as the defender, with Ming defending you. If you get lucky, Donghai will also declare, meaning you basically get all the provinces you need outside of Haixi instantly. I tried this several times without allying Yeren, and they were usually reluctant to declare war.
Great video as always, the new patch is going well for me, doing a Brunei game, it was funny when Ming rivalled me when I got to 500 dev, then they collapsed about 10 years later. Now i'm over 800 dev and the primary power in Indonesia with Tondo as a March, Malacca and Madagascar as my vassal and Australia as my primary colony . Its such an under utilised nation I feel.
I played Solon and tried to carry on the Evenk idea group until Russia came through in 1708 and kicked my ass. Then I played So, took Maritime then Expansion ideas, got to Taiwan, then got annexed by Ashikaga. Can't wait to see more of your strategies and videos in the future!
Luckily Ming decided to pass a reform immediately before I attacked them. So they were on 8 mandate from the very start, making the war hilariously easy.
Although Admin is a good choice, I have to mention Innovative. Tech and institution discounts help, but the best thing is stacking Meritocracy, Qing ideas, Full Innovative and maybe more for a 90% Advisor cost reduction. +5 advisors for 5 ducats a month! Also, if you declare your first war when Ming is under 50 Mandate you get a free occupation. AI doesn't wait to have 100 Mandate before passing a reform.
Personally even with the new ideas and mechanics, I still think remaining as Manchu is the best if your going for world conquest. For me it’s mostly for the Tengri religion, confucian just isn’t that good even with harmonization. Tengri is amazing if can finally get to the Hindu provinces, when you synchronize with Hindu you get really big modifiers with Tolerance of heathens (which is pretty much 90% of all other religions for you.) and religious unity with a random even that can give you even bigger bonuses to those things for a few decades. Combine that with Humanist ideas and a revolt advisor you almost never have to worry about rebellions afterwards which can make or break world conquests.
That is true until you kill all of ming and get imperialism cb, because at that point there is no realy reason to stay a horde. You can take other tolerance+ to get everything accepted and +5% admin effiency is better than the whole manchu idea tree, but it is better to wait until imperialism i guess because free cb is always needed.
I find it Odd how in his game the orait horde didnt ally any of his tagets. Yet in my games they allmost allways ally haixi or donghai edit: if not both or more
In my game I attacked udege first since they had no allies. People attacked it halfway through my war, so I vassalised them and got into a defensive war against yeren. Rinse and repeat and very quickly took over the tribes within 5-10 years. Legit so easy as Jianzhou
You can also just wait for the Nomadic Frontier to fire without going to war if you are not that good at the game yet, Ming will get their +50% damage taken and at that point it’s just free real estate. If you think Ming will attack you you should try to ally Ashikaga since that will most likely make Ming too scared to fight you.
It would definitely be possible to balance healthy expansion and colonization. Take Administrative first and make your way down to Indochina through Ming, than take Exploration and colonize the Spice Islands for infinite money. That is especially important since A: Qing is in Asia and will not be able to create Trade Companies for free money like Europeans. B: you can expell all non accepted cultires to Islands in order to raise more banners in mainland provinces.
Btw if Mandate of Heaven dismanteled by anyone, you can form qing(and also yuan) without taking the mandate from anyone. You can check out. Make someone integrate ming with cheats. Then check requirements for forming qing. You'll see
@@papisuckmypoosay69 you are wrong. Use cheats. Make dai viet integrate ming. EoC will be distmantled if you do so. Then tag witch to jianzhou become manchu. And took the requirements to form qing again. You'll see
Did you watch Florryworry stream? Because he made vassals out of southern china and integrated them for 0dip cost (with the unowned china cores missions). he owned china at ~1475 ( with a high amount of truce breaks)
This was incredibly helpful for my third/fourth attempt at a Manchu/Qing run. I followed every step you showed for the first 20 years or so and, despite one or two restarts due to unfortunate rivals and alliances, it is now 1481 and I'm in my second war with Ming. They've got rebels tearing up the country, their mandate is 0, the unguarded frontier is well on its way, they have 0 manpower, and its just a slaughter. The only thing that never went according to plan was Korchin allying Oirat early on. Also, Ashikaga declared for my Korean provinces. But they can barely land a stack or two before my horses trample them. Its awesome.
Has this been patched? I’ve never had a problem attacking Ming as Manchus, but in my last 2 games Ming has been kicking my ass like my bonuses to shock don’t matter
I tried this same run and I found that the negative events to mandate were extremely punishing, I literally got tanked on stab, mandate and meritocracy and it took over 50 years to get back 20 mandate after the first reform, even with 25 tributaries, which I found ridiculous to be honest. And low mandate really hurts, it's not a modifier you just want to sit on and be unable to fix it. Compare that to the HRE emperor events that make you lose 50 diplo points.... maybe I just got really unlucky but I decided that I better invest my time into a Byzantium run where I make the HRE orthodox.
How are you meant to fight the first war? I got declared on quickly after breaking tributary so china had full mandate and i was losing 1:1 battles even with my amazing 4 shock general.
You don't need to siege down Shenyang - you get the bypassing the great wall mission completed as soon as you go to war with Ming and it grants you control of Shenyang. You can go straight for Beijing with the benefit of the decreased defensiveness.
@Radio Res, do you know if you can form Qing with Manchu if you don't own either the Mandate of Heaven or Common Sense DLC? without the MoH achievement it's prerequisite to form an empire, which is or isn't possible with the CS DLC? I'm struggling to find out, please help if you know the answer :)
I have a problem with defeating Ming’s armies as Manchu, I don’t know what I’m doing wrong but they melt my armies. Is there a specific army company I should use? It may be because I completed the moral boost mission before attacking them, but they absolutely melt my troops I feel like that 10% boost wouldn’t even be enough to balance it out. I really want to do a Qing playthough but man I suck at war with Ming. It doesn’t help that in my games they end up beating Oriat and expanding by 1460. I have only done two playthoughs and both have miserably failed. The first time I tried waiting for the collapse of Ming, and even after the event Ming stayed intact. Maybe I should try and wait it out again because I’m in 1470 now and I stand no chance of beating Ming as it stands.
So I find that after I’ve taken the mandate, my mandate levels absolutely tanks any time I annex more territory. The devastation in those newly conquered territories immediately sends my mandate growth to around -.5 per month. Is there a general rule about how much territory should I annex for optimal expansion, because if I can only annex a handful of provinces each war that would suck. Thanks for any help.
I cancelled tributary state and immediately got declared on by ming with no allies or bad ming events. The leader you get when at war also died in the second battle.
i actually counted out 20 province to form manchu. I had 18 before my last war so i declared on every1 took every province and only cored 2 more. So i saved a shitload of admin point. I also went trough ming as manchu and around 1550 i have 1 reform all of japan korea mongolia china and around half of indochina or more. Fun fact with the force tributary war you can take shitload of pronice. In 1 war i had more than 200 hunder overexstension. Dont do that guys. I lost all of my manpower to kill rebels but killed japan in 3 war. And you almost lose as many diplo as admin but i had a ton.
The Guide is a good baseline, but there are some advanced strategies to play as manchu. 1. The land in the north is useless so we burn it. You are getting ready to form manchu -> you kill tribes to your north -> take all their land -> core instantly by forming manchu. This will get you to the first technologies because those points are for free you dont even pay the coring for them. 2. There is no point in switching to qing that early. After getting admin and the first national idea as manchu you can trucebreak Ming and make a profit on all points. You dont need permaclaims if the land is completly free anyway. 3. dont take any chinese warlords only kill ming and after you killed ming and took the mandate in the last war you get free cores on everything in china and the warlords are really easy to take over too You can take over all of china before 1500 easily without any minmaxing. Just Being a horde and having the "take the mandate" cb with trucebreaking is way better than forming qing early. Also i would delay forming ming until acsolutism, but that is just because i like hordes more with their perma cb on everything and i dont like making claims. :)
Is true i Rush for qing, was my mistake, i own the majority if china region, but the 400% overextesion, devastation and corruption, just when i manage the situation, mandate drops 0.
I played Ming with the new update to get the "harmonise 6 religions achievement". Was pretty boring. The mandate buffs should be better, so you have more reason to take them. After taking a buff, you cannot go to war for some time, because the debuffs for low mandate are pretty high. And if you conquer a lot of land you cannot go to war, because you get a lot of negative mandate for the devastation. I like the idea, that Ming is pretty much dead without the mandate. But it is really hard to expand. I will try Qing with mandate next and hope, that it will make more fun. Also I want to try Yuan and conquer my way to Europe (if that's possible with the mandate).
i did it slower than this, but at 1483 and triggering unguarded nomadic frontier with them already having merely 30 mandate i had ming with only 10 mandate to fight against
Every time I try this strategy my ai allies refuse to become tributaries cede provinces to the ming without become a tributary and do that over and over until they get annexed. On top of that ming usually has 110% discipline and 1 more morale than me. What am I supposed to do? Even if my allies are tributaries that just means they wont join my war unless I am also a tributary which is extra stab drops for me and I cant get unguarded frontier to fire, because I'm a ming tributary.
Confucianism has such a bizarre name, considering the name of the guy who came up with it was "Kong" XD It should also be noted that my girlfriend is rather adamant that I try to distance myself from Confucianism as fast as possible, as her family lineage contains an unusual suffix that labels their heritage as descendant from Confucius (Kong). Confucianism is a rather divisive school of thought that really hampers individuality and was not so much a way to promote a good economy and work structure so much as it was a way to homogenize the entire society. So she's a little embarrassed about her ancestor... as influential as he may have become. It's all in goof faith though, and she's currently off back in her home country Korea, so I might do some fast runs as Confucian Manchu ;)
I was watching old guides for Machu, and in 1.29 they broke up yeren/jianxhou into 3 other nations lol where do you colonize though? Taiwan and Philippines? Brunei? Australia? or Island Hop to the west coast of US? Africa?
not sure if you're still looking for an answer, since it's been a month. but i personally like going for the indonesian spice trade, while setting up a CN in australia to help defend it (a well developed CN can field quite a decent sized navy, which will help fend off europeans). after that i try to set up CNs in alaska, western us and mexico. i personally don't bother with the western half of the world much early to mid game, but that's just personal preference, you can make a rush for the cape and hop from there if you really want to. oh, also, even though it doesn't really count as colonising, i'd still suggest buying/conquering a couple of provinces in india too while you're working on the above. doing so can massively boost your income. that way going over your colonist cap becomes that much more affordable.
How am I enjoying the new patch? I'm not. I've got to complete my in-progress campaigns first. Finished up "Dar al-Islam" but still have about 100 years to go on "Anglophile".
Even though I have an army of 35k but only Chagatai as an ally I still can't defeat ming. When I engaged with one of their armies, then another stack and another comes and I get defeated, even though I'm on steppe or grasslands terrain.
When i played i never took ming down so its in the late 1600s and i'm an 800 dev tributary. But when the rightful claims event fired for bejing, ming gave it to me which i thought was odd.
The Mingsplosion is always so much worse in my games. All of the nations that break free are massive and strong, and coalitions mean I cannot advance further into China. Does anyone else have this issue?
Everyone “Mughals are op”
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Mughals are only OP for players who have the patience to deal with a Billion different FUCKING rebells
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@@AftermathRV I took humanist Ideas and lol, I had no rebels at all even when I took 20+provinces from 1 war, I just was running from point to point and killing indians 1 by one
Try oirat
@@awesomecherry9024 yea, people keep forgetting that we have humanist idea, most people use admin idea firsthand
protip: you can save a huge amount of admin points if you let ming implode as much as possible and take the "ming extinguished" mission giving you cores on the entire china subcontinent.
He said that around 19:50
Yes, and apart from taking Nanjing and Canton it probably is worth to wait for that. Of course you should still attack Ming and breakaway tags as often as possible to milk them for money and prestige.
I completed this mission and had all cores in 1508 by strategically assisting the mingsplosion without coring anything except a few provinces in Northern China. You want to completely wreck ming in the first war so that as many rebels pop as possible, then cycle between attacking a tributary to reset the truce timer to 5 years and conquering from ming again - keep as many tributaries around to make this easy, as ming will white peace on day 1 due to mandate being threatened, and give all conquered land to a vassal(s) which can be integrated instantly & for free when you get cores. There are a couple of provinces in the south/west that you have to return to other nations (i.e. Kham), and you have to ensure you can occupy 25 provinces & devastate a 25 dev city in Northern China for the missions, but otherwise it's easy
And then these small chinese dynasty can form coalition against you,.
@@MrLangam oh no! not a coalition of chinese minors against manchu?! whatever will the player do with all that free real estate, oh heavens me.
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Don't raze your own culture because then you'll get less Banners!
Since the banner nerfs I think that the mp from razing may actually be better.
Kalen tober-hammell how?
Sebstian Derflingher Ajuria The banner nerfs made it so the banners are weaker, require more dev per unit, and are slower to reinforce, however, they also cost half maintenance. I would take the faster mil tech over the 2-3 banners we lose from razing.
@@kalentober-hammell1896 not only that, but you still save yourself from the .1 corruption per banner unit.
You also cut your dev which is not what you want since you need dev for the frontier disaster
if you complete the mission ''bypass the great wall'' after declaring war, you immediately occupy the first fort on your border (shenyang or something), so you can immediately go for beijing
Beijing also gets a -50% fort defense malus ("Betrayal at the Great Wall")!
That’s op as shit. I love it.
that was decent, i already had border with beijing in my game so i was already going for it but that mission made it fall fast
Res: Next i attacked you.
Me: Haha, he means the nation in game, right?
The manchurian cav outside my door: ...
We will conquer, i mean unite the world - Gengish Khan
Good guy Temujin uniting the world, one razed city at a time.
Khann mongol . Khan muslim😂🙏✌ . There is a difference
The Paektu Mountain is in Manchuria?
*North Korea wants to know your location*
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This happy music playing in the background when you are literraly *murdering* and *razing* innocent people makes me scared of you.
here faster than ottomans declaring on byzantium
@Mono Illidan aren't you unique then
@Heberth Ryan absolute chad
Since nobodys gotten a comment in yet i wanted to be the first to say you've saved my life a frightening amount of times eu4. Keep up the good work, man. Sincerely a loyal follower🙏
this is the most elaborate eu4 gameplay guide i've ever seen !
im at step 1444 of 3000 LOL
great work ! big thanks !
If you just wait for Ming to pass their first decision before you declare war they'll be down to 20 mandate and the Treachery at the Great Wall event will actually be useful to you. Also you'll be able to wipe all their armies without much hassle.
That first war should have gone a lot better.
Too much waiting, you can attack them as soon as you take manchurian region since manchu has insane missions and ideas
You dont even have to have any alliances
How about a Mongolia guide? I think it would be interesting to see how the new mission tree plays out. Great video by the way!
I think oirat is the new stongest nation in the game.
Yeah. They can destroy ming in the first few years and run unapposed into china, devpushing institutions and being in a position to form Yuan and the Mongol empire (immediately after; not being a horde sucks) waaay earlier than any other strategy can. The Changtai-Uzbek alliance sucks, though. I'm still unsure if its a better idea to invade India through tibet early or if one should expand through the steppe.
Oirat is Definitely the Strongest. Th took Beijing and 2 others provinces plus over 2000 money in the First war.
Then I annexed most of Manchuria to get 300 dev but Ming had already started to explode. I managed to take all of China in 100 years.
@Angry Abortion "As they should be" not really, i mean the Four Oirats were strong and Esen Taishi was a great general, but they failed at taking Beijing(at the time Peking) and then were destroyed, so the game is actually not realistic by making Ming look this weak, Ming only fell in the 1600+ but in-game they always fail before 1500 way to easy and fast now.
difference between harassing and conquering.
@@Real_SkyRipper Although they can't take Beijing, they did capture the emperor of Ming, meaning that Oriats almost could win the war. So, I think Ming should not be so strong, considering that they are not too competent to fight Wakou, Japan, Oriats, Mongol and Manchu.
Can we get a mongolia strat?! I meant to add please. Sorry.
i've been waiting for your first 1.29 guide, thanks man can't wait to try it out, you make the best eu4 guides please keep it up ! :)
Instead of full annexing Haixi at the start, I've found that you can usually trick Ming into defending you in a defensive war if you vassalize Udege.
Ally Yeren, declare on Udege, take their capital, then break alliance with Yeren after they declare on Udege. Take some provinces and maybe bordergore your way to Solon, vassalize Udege and get called into their war as the defender, with Ming defending you.
If you get lucky, Donghai will also declare, meaning you basically get all the provinces you need outside of Haixi instantly.
I tried this several times without allying Yeren, and they were usually reluctant to declare war.
Great video as always, the new patch is going well for me, doing a Brunei game, it was funny when Ming rivalled me when I got to 500 dev, then they collapsed about 10 years later. Now i'm over 800 dev and the primary power in Indonesia with Tondo as a March, Malacca and Madagascar as my vassal and Australia as my primary colony . Its such an under utilised nation I feel.
I played Solon and tried to carry on the Evenk idea group until Russia came through in 1708 and kicked my ass. Then I played So, took Maritime then Expansion ideas, got to Taiwan, then got annexed by Ashikaga. Can't wait to see more of your strategies and videos in the future!
u don't have to siege Shenyang you can occupy it by a mission
Luckily Ming decided to pass a reform immediately before I attacked them. So they were on 8 mandate from the very start, making the war hilariously easy.
Treachery at the Great Wall also sieges Shenyang for you - so sieging Shenyang is a waste of manpower and time.
Although Admin is a good choice, I have to mention Innovative. Tech and institution discounts help, but the best thing is stacking Meritocracy, Qing ideas, Full Innovative and maybe more for a 90% Advisor cost reduction. +5 advisors for 5 ducats a month! Also, if you declare your first war when Ming is under 50 Mandate you get a free occupation. AI doesn't wait to have 100 Mandate before passing a reform.
Personally even with the new ideas and mechanics, I still think remaining as Manchu is the best if your going for world conquest. For me it’s mostly for the Tengri religion, confucian just isn’t that good even with harmonization. Tengri is amazing if can finally get to the Hindu provinces, when you synchronize with Hindu you get really big modifiers with Tolerance of heathens (which is pretty much 90% of all other religions for you.) and religious unity with a random even that can give you even bigger bonuses to those things for a few decades. Combine that with Humanist ideas and a revolt advisor you almost never have to worry about rebellions afterwards which can make or break world conquests.
That is true until you kill all of ming and get imperialism cb, because at that point there is no realy reason to stay a horde. You can take other tolerance+ to get everything accepted and +5% admin effiency is better than the whole manchu idea tree, but it is better to wait until imperialism i guess because free cb is always needed.
I dunno how you are able to do so well so fast! I do exactly as every guide says but I get super far into debt and ming just stomps me instantly.
Complete the "bypass the great wall" mission before sieging shenyang to have it occupied for you with no effort. You get the great general still.
Great to see you doing these guides again!
I've restarted about 50 times and I can't get a game to go like this.
I find it Odd how in his game the orait horde didnt ally any of his tagets. Yet in my games they allmost allways ally haixi or donghai edit: if not both or more
@@mso2013 true min my game oirart killed off ming Lmao
Thx! Your guide really helped me in my Qing campaign!
Been enjoying this update so far. It really breathes life into an area that I used to avoid because of how boring it was.
Thank you for making a new guide for this dude I was hoping you would
In my game I attacked udege first since they had no allies. People attacked it halfway through my war, so I vassalised them and got into a defensive war against yeren. Rinse and repeat and very quickly took over the tribes within 5-10 years. Legit so easy as Jianzhou
You can also just wait for the Nomadic Frontier to fire without going to war if you are not that good at the game yet, Ming will get their +50% damage taken and at that point it’s just free real estate. If you think Ming will attack you you should try to ally Ashikaga since that will most likely make Ming too scared to fight you.
Oirats get the modifier at the Ming emperor's capture until the death of the Timurid Shah, makes sense.
It would definitely be possible to balance healthy expansion and colonization. Take Administrative first and make your way down to Indochina through Ming, than take Exploration and colonize the Spice Islands for infinite money. That is especially important since
A: Qing is in Asia and will not be able to create Trade Companies for free money like Europeans.
B: you can expell all non accepted cultires to Islands in order to raise more banners in mainland provinces.
You can only expel minorities to the new world though..
Was waiting for this
Btw if Mandate of Heaven dismanteled by anyone, you can form qing(and also yuan) without taking the mandate from anyone. You can check out. Make someone integrate ming with cheats. Then check requirements for forming qing. You'll see
Uğurcan Anıl Nope, you can’t form qing if you aren’t EoC, even if EoC doesn’t exist
@@papisuckmypoosay69 you are wrong. Use cheats. Make dai viet integrate ming. EoC will be distmantled if you do so. Then tag witch to jianzhou become manchu. And took the requirements to form qing again. You'll see
Uğurcan Anıl your cool
Accidently selected Haixi but I went along with it and it was a wild ride. Good for paradox fixing some major problems with the China region.
This was more of an playthrough overview instead of a guide
True, but since I don't play eu4 I didn't mind it lol
So nice of you to Unite them all :D
Best EU4 channel right now on YT
Did you watch Florryworry stream? Because he made vassals out of southern china and integrated them for 0dip cost (with the unowned china cores missions). he owned china at ~1475 ( with a high amount of truce breaks)
Great video as always. Can you please do a restoration of Mongol empire guide? Thinking oirat is freakishly strong to be a perfect candidate
Ad about economy? I always go negative with qing!
Wow I was just literally just about to start a Jianzhou-Qing game. Freaky
I mean, it's what the new patch is all about. It's not the craziest coincidence.
@@ciarancassidy7566 Yeah but still, I was literally loading into a game and looked on TH-cam, and boom, a video
This was incredibly helpful for my third/fourth attempt at a Manchu/Qing run. I followed every step you showed for the first 20 years or so and, despite one or two restarts due to unfortunate rivals and alliances, it is now 1481 and I'm in my second war with Ming. They've got rebels tearing up the country, their mandate is 0, the unguarded frontier is well on its way, they have 0 manpower, and its just a slaughter.
The only thing that never went according to plan was Korchin allying Oirat early on. Also, Ashikaga declared for my Korean provinces. But they can barely land a stack or two before my horses trample them.
Its awesome.
Has this been patched? I’ve never had a problem attacking Ming as Manchus, but in my last 2 games Ming has been kicking my ass like my bonuses to shock don’t matter
I tried this same run and I found that the negative events to mandate were extremely punishing, I literally got tanked on stab, mandate and meritocracy and it took over 50 years to get back 20 mandate after the first reform, even with 25 tributaries, which I found ridiculous to be honest. And low mandate really hurts, it's not a modifier you just want to sit on and be unable to fix it. Compare that to the HRE emperor events that make you lose 50 diplo points.... maybe I just got really unlucky but I decided that I better invest my time into a Byzantium run where I make the HRE orthodox.
How are you meant to fight the first war? I got declared on quickly after breaking tributary so china had full mandate and i was losing 1:1 battles even with my amazing 4 shock general.
If you pop one of your missions they will actually surrender shenyang to you in the war, also giving you a general
Yes, you are correct. It's the "bypass the great wall" mission.
You don't need to siege down Shenyang - you get the bypassing the great wall mission completed as soon as you go to war with Ming and it grants you control of Shenyang. You can go straight for Beijing with the benefit of the decreased defensiveness.
Thanks for fast content
i love it how we radio plays this stuff they never appear to have allies, when i play it that guys got 2 allies by the time i click declare war
@Radio Res, do you know if you can form Qing with Manchu if you don't own either the Mandate of Heaven or Common Sense DLC? without the MoH achievement it's prerequisite to form an empire, which is or isn't possible with the CS DLC? I'm struggling to find out, please help if you know the answer :)
In the first Ming war I just end up with ~100k Ming troops sat on Beijing
I have a problem with defeating Ming’s armies as Manchu, I don’t know what I’m doing wrong but they melt my armies. Is there a specific army company I should use? It may be because I completed the moral boost mission before attacking them, but they absolutely melt my troops I feel like that 10% boost wouldn’t even be enough to balance it out. I really want to do a Qing playthough but man I suck at war with Ming. It doesn’t help that in my games they end up beating Oriat and expanding by 1460. I have only done two playthoughs and both have miserably failed. The first time I tried waiting for the collapse of Ming, and even after the event Ming stayed intact. Maybe I should try and wait it out again because I’m in 1470 now and I stand no chance of beating Ming as it stands.
So I find that after I’ve taken the mandate, my mandate levels absolutely tanks any time I annex more territory. The devastation in those newly conquered territories immediately sends my mandate growth to around -.5 per month. Is there a general rule about how much territory should I annex for optimal expansion, because if I can only annex a handful of provinces each war that would suck.
Thanks for any help.
I cancelled tributary state and immediately got declared on by ming with no allies or bad ming events.
The leader you get when at war also died in the second battle.
What's the song you use during the timelapse? It's interesting.
I started my run as Oirat, it’s so nice being able to kill 120,000 Ming in 1446.
In my games Haixi always allies Yeren AND donghai. I know I cannot take 3 tribes at once. How to handle?
i actually counted out 20 province to form manchu. I had 18 before my last war so i declared on every1 took every province and only cored 2 more. So i saved a shitload of admin point. I also went trough ming as manchu and around 1550 i have 1 reform all of japan korea mongolia china and around half of indochina or more.
Fun fact with the force tributary war you can take shitload of pronice. In 1 war i had more than 200 hunder overexstension. Dont do that guys. I lost all of my manpower to kill rebels but killed japan in 3 war. And you almost lose as many diplo as admin but i had a ton.
The Guide is a good baseline, but there are some advanced strategies to play as manchu.
1. The land in the north is useless so we burn it. You are getting ready to form manchu -> you kill tribes to your north -> take all their land -> core instantly by forming manchu.
This will get you to the first technologies because those points are for free you dont even pay the coring for them.
2. There is no point in switching to qing that early. After getting admin and the first national idea as manchu you can trucebreak Ming and make a profit on all points. You dont need permaclaims if the land is completly free anyway.
3. dont take any chinese warlords only kill ming and after you killed ming and took the mandate in the last war you get free cores on everything in china and the warlords are really easy to take over too
You can take over all of china before 1500 easily without any minmaxing. Just Being a horde and having the "take the mandate" cb with trucebreaking is way better than forming qing early. Also i would delay forming ming until acsolutism, but that is just because i like hordes more with their perma cb on everything and i dont like making claims. :)
Is true i Rush for qing, was my mistake, i own the majority if china region, but the 400% overextesion, devastation and corruption, just when i manage the situation, mandate drops 0.
This is impossible without MoH as Korea always allies Ming and will attack when truce ends
Get MoH
Just found you.....excellent tutorial.....thanks my man.....btw just scribed......peace.
i really want to play now in east asia now, but dont have time for that. will stay up whole night..
I played Ming with the new update to get the "harmonise 6 religions achievement". Was pretty boring.
The mandate buffs should be better, so you have more reason to take them.
After taking a buff, you cannot go to war for some time, because the debuffs for low mandate are pretty high.
And if you conquer a lot of land you cannot go to war, because you get a lot of negative mandate for the devastation.
I like the idea, that Ming is pretty much dead without the mandate. But it is really hard to expand. I will try Qing with mandate next and hope, that it will make more fun. Also I want to try Yuan and conquer my way to Europe (if that's possible with the mandate).
I heard Wukou Pirate Republic is a thing in this update, did I misread?
This strat still work?
Every single time Hianxi allies dongbei and makes it 100 times harder
i did it slower than this, but at 1483 and triggering unguarded nomadic frontier with them already having merely 30 mandate
i had ming with only 10 mandate to fight against
Every time I try this strategy my ai allies refuse to become tributaries cede provinces to the ming without become a tributary and do that over and over until they get annexed. On top of that ming usually has 110% discipline and 1 more morale than me. What am I supposed to do? Even if my allies are tributaries that just means they wont join my war unless I am also a tributary which is extra stab drops for me and I cant get unguarded frontier to fire, because I'm a ming tributary.
By far one of the most hardest nations to play forming Manchu is almost imposter
Wtf why did ming in my game move their capital to Canton????
Confucianism has such a bizarre name, considering the name of the guy who came up with it was "Kong" XD
It should also be noted that my girlfriend is rather adamant that I try to distance myself from Confucianism as fast as possible, as her family lineage contains an unusual suffix that labels their heritage as descendant from Confucius (Kong). Confucianism is a rather divisive school of thought that really hampers individuality and was not so much a way to promote a good economy and work structure so much as it was a way to homogenize the entire society. So she's a little embarrassed about her ancestor... as influential as he may have become.
It's all in goof faith though, and she's currently off back in her home country Korea, so I might do some fast runs as Confucian Manchu ;)
I was watching old guides for Machu, and in 1.29 they broke up yeren/jianxhou into 3 other nations lol
where do you colonize though? Taiwan and Philippines? Brunei? Australia? or Island Hop to the west coast of US? Africa?
not sure if you're still looking for an answer, since it's been a month. but i personally like going for the indonesian spice trade, while setting up a CN in australia to help defend it (a well developed CN can field quite a decent sized navy, which will help fend off europeans). after that i try to set up CNs in alaska, western us and mexico.
i personally don't bother with the western half of the world much early to mid game, but that's just personal preference, you can make a rush for the cape and hop from there if you really want to.
oh, also, even though it doesn't really count as colonising, i'd still suggest buying/conquering a couple of provinces in india too while you're working on the above. doing so can massively boost your income. that way going over your colonist cap becomes that much more affordable.
How should i get more Money with qing? I am Always a negative Balance sheet.
you don't need to core everything as you get cores in the Manchu region. Just the cheaper provinces you need
I tried to follow along, however messed up and my country destroyed itself while fighting Ming. Any tips on how to make money as Manchu?
How am I enjoying the new patch? I'm not. I've got to complete my in-progress campaigns first. Finished up "Dar al-Islam" but still have about 100 years to go on "Anglophile".
Hey, i want to ask something, the options as abdicate or the great power options doesnt appear in my game. What can I do?
You need DLCs for those mechanics
Even though I have an army of 35k but only Chagatai as an ally I still can't defeat ming. When I engaged with one of their armies, then another stack and another comes and I get defeated, even though I'm on steppe or grasslands terrain.
Thank you! Really heplful video.
patch 1.06 Commen sins lets Fix Ming!
Patch 1.29 Manchu lets Break Ming!
Doesnt really work anymore since the lastest patch
Can you do one with "So" the new pirate daimyo
Can we please get an Oirat guide to please? Your vids are awesome!
how come for my game I cannot access the estates for Jianzhou
When i played i never took ming down so its in the late 1600s and i'm an 800 dev tributary. But when the rightful claims event fired for bejing, ming gave it to me which i thought was odd.
You should definitely break tributary so Ming’s unguarded frontier crisis can happen
@@44ced91 I deleted that game bc it was on 1.28 anyway
Good guide but you should seriously consider taking dip as second idea and truce break Ming to death before 1500. Easy. 😎
I have an army of horde cav and they keep on getting wiped by Ming in open terrain
The Mingsplosion is always so much worse in my games. All of the nations that break free are massive and strong, and coalitions mean I cannot advance further into China. Does anyone else have this issue?
in my game ming mandate won't go lower than 80 even after defeating them also they are making tributaries everywhere
can i take mandate of heaven using south east asia country?
Bruh how did you melt the ming army, I was crushed, despite having double your army
As Oirat, Ming breaks too quickly now. For me anyway. My piggybank is broken... :(
bro please release this camaign like lets play series.I really want to see this campaign like manliest series
can you do a guide about someting to yuan, back in control achievement and mongolia to mongol empire?
and how did u get the claim celestial mandate cb?
First u need the mandate of heaven DLC
Why would you raze your home region? 1. you want to be 300 dev to trigger the nomadic frontier 2. you want the banners. 3. you want to be not poor.