Mental health crisis: patients left for days in A&E as hospitals struggle to cope
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- Mental health patients in crisis are spending days and days in England's emergency departments before getting appropriate care.
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The data obtained by Channel 4 News is backed up by figures shared exclusively with this programme by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine, showing these patients are twice as likely to wait more than 12 hours to be discharged or transferred than all other patients.
And the number of mental health beds has more than halved over the last two decades.
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I have spent the last 5 weeks in an NHS hospital in the S. West. I was flabbergasted that my room was being used by nursing staff to just have a break, a moment, from the relentless pressure. I didn't mind, gosh they'd just saved my life.
They were going into your room to take a break? I'm confused, did they not have a staff room?
@@rustynail1194 Yes, but even mandatory breaks are frowned upon by management. We put too much on the shoulders of the young nursing staff.
Maybe it's because mental health is not seen as a priority by many governments
how unprofessional, I hope they're fired.
@@SPACECOWBOY_Hej Great! instead of fixing a pay and staffing issue, lets fire people and create longer wait times and more burnout. You are so smart sir!
We've never treated mental health issues in this country properly. I see it every day in my job in the NHS. I've suffered with it too. It's too late for some people, let's not make it too later for others.
@@SmearCampaignsAreEvil that's very sad to hear Natasha. Just wanted to acknowledge your message ❤️
That's so true. Bless.
13 years of Tory failures and this is the outcome , people can’t afford to feed their kids anymore. I’m not surprised so many are in crisis
I have found, living in a sub-urban south western area (so unlikely to be comparable to the busiest), that care for common mental health issues (Depressive disorders, Anxiety disorders, Panic disorders, Phobias, etc) is actually quite good. There are occasionally longer than ideal wait times, but once you're in, you're treated well and effectively.
The issue arises the moment you have something not so common - like a mental health crisis, suicidal thoughts or behaviours, personality disorders, and what seems to be the worst - Neurodivergence.
It can take years to see someone who can even give you a good idea of what's happening, and then more years to see someone to confirm or deny that idea. if you're not diagnosed, it's back to square one. In an adult who's barely able to, or not functioning, how are they supposed to continue progressing their life in that period? Who's going to look after them should they be unable to function at all?
I spent years chasing a diagnosis knowing there was something more than the depression/anxiety labels I was given. In the end I came up with an idea and went private. Within 6 months I was diagnosed and started treatment, and my mental health is consistently stable for the first time in about a decade.
Years of terrible decision making, emotional instability, and guilt because of both - among other issues that I presented to countless people and got no real answer. I can't get those years back.
I am extremely lucky to have supporting parents who will keep me under their wing for the few years more that I'll need, compared to my peers. As well as a stable job that allowed me to pay for private care in the first place.
Many, many, many people do not have those. The ironic part is, that not having security like that makes you more at risk of a complex mental health issue.
This system is failing them - you could argue it failed me to.
On the quiet, casually get a print out of your blood results and check thyroid is optimal not just around the top or bottom of the range.
The doctors will actively hide it from you. They cancel tests, lie, falsify results, spend more time covering their arsses. Won't diagnosed. Under treat, with old and reduce pain killers. Gaslight, fob you off. Airline you with anti-depressants that only increase your anxiety and make you more sleepy.
The judgemental attitudes are Victorian and the actions and in-action are plainly criminally negligent, Narcissistic, or Psychopathic, and even possibly demonic inspired.
All signs of a broken country.
No country remains with wealth in perpetuity. Every nation has its time, when its time has come they can neither hasten it or prelong it.
Broken society
@@allykhan8594 There's the wealth. This is what happens as the 'wealth gap' widens.
@@kerryfry1857 wealth is free to exit. Like your forefathers (if you're british). They did not have envy, jealousy ingratefulness as these.
@@allykhan8594 I'm British. It's not envy, it's injustice.
My local GP was amazing and he talked to me for 20 minutes, really listening, referred me to a CBT specialist (6 week waiting list), prescribed me a mood stabaliser, and passed my number to a crisis team who called me the next day.
I think I might have killed myself if he didnt really listen. I actually think just having someone care took away half my pain right away.
I worked in mental health and your absolutely right in what you say. A kind heart goes a long way. I have seen workers in mental health whose ignorance is astounding, they go through the motions the protocols and that's about it.
I don’t know you and I almost certainly never will. But I’m glad you’re here, all the same.
You have an amazing GP , very rare these days
@@wecandothiswarriorsthis makes me sad, there are loads of amazing GPs, they just simply don't have the time to spend 20-30 minutes with their patients anymore. I'm sure they would love to if they could
Medication isn’t always a solution
Thanks for covering, my friend took his life after experiencing terrible mental health issues. He took his life as a result of no one offering him help due to this NHS crisis
Blah blah blah 😂😂
This is unconscionable.
Why are mental health admissions regarded as less than worthy of attention and treatment.
This situation is not confined to U.K. alone.
Similar occurrences in Australia too.
God help us all.
Not less worthy - *less likely to cause death.* Think before you offer an opinion!
@@Febrile1 the leading cause of middle aged deaths is suicide. Think before you form an opinion 🥱👍
It's disgusting isn't it. It's because when the "handing out too private" sources for care started. Me tal health was one of the first too go. Theirs simply nothing for anyone. My own step son wanted to jump off a bridge. Me an his mum an too literally sprint down whilst calling police. Then when we went NHS. Waited all day. Too then be told nothing can be done cos of his age not being 18. Theirs nothing for when their 18+ either.
Well what can medically be done about "mental health problems"? I suspect that a great many of these issues are brought on by economical and societal issues as oppose to being psychiatric.
You have completely missed the point
As bad as this is for the patients it’s also absolutely brutal for the staff who feel powerless to help and is one of the reasons I no longer work as a nurse. Furthermore, this mass exodus of staff compounds the problem.
The tories have destroyed the nhs so they can cash in on for profit healthcare.
You’re spot on there. This is a downward spiral that will be impossible to put the breaks on.
Completely agree. The NHS used to the envy of the world. But now most of the tax payers
money goes to administration costs not the doctors/nurses and other healthcare staff or on the hospitals and equipment. It’s a national shame that people keep voting the tories in. They will bring the country to its knees to line their own pockets before investing in the NHS
I hate the Tories, the money grabbing Demons who have no care for the general public, if they did they wouldn’t have put us or The NHS staff through this BS
Let's be honest, alot of staff are just useless and don't care about the patients
@@infiniteyouth18 I worked in intensive care and this was absolutely not my experience, the vast majority of staff there were very committed and compassionate professionals even once they’d been ground down by the system.
I have severe mental health issues and I agree. A&E is not an appropriate place for me to be when I have attempted/on the verge of self harming/having an episode. Staff are truly amazing but they are there to patch up/prep for surgery/assess for referral to other depts. They aren't there to keep watch on someone who is likely to try again. They don't have appropriate training to deal with someone who might be having a psychotic episode. It's absolutely wrong to expect them to monitor me, when a RTA/stroke/heart attack case arrives.
A&E is a stressful environment. Noisy, overwhelming and no privacy. It's not the correct place for someone experiencing a mental health crisis to be assessed.
Without adequate funding and resources it will always be this way. You aren't going to attract well trained, specialist staff into a high stress environment without giving them a competitive wage. (That's true for ALL NHS staff imho).
Or prison.
As and A&E doctor, I completely agree with you and it's really interesting to hear your opinion. Mental health patients that have caused physical harm to themselves do need to attend A&E, but we need a different emergency service for people in or on the verge of a mental health crisis. It could even still take place in A&E, but I think there should be dedicated mental health staff for these patients, rather than being seen the same A&E doctors, who as you say, are also prepping patients for ICU admission/surgery/attending trauma calls etc!
@@celestialasmr9624I've asked my area mp if we can have a seperate waiting area for mentally ill they have it at our hospital trn miles away seperate waiying for kids snd elderly after a few hours they get put on a trolley then put in a bay when I questioned it they said well uour physically able to wait they know saying that will trigger our anger issue's same if they ketp is waiting on hard plastic chairs ehere it's noisy drunks trying to chat to you police fetched domeone in drunk seem to get seen before us I've looked round when I've sat down full waing room 9 hours later look tound there may be twenty left waiting there was 60 in department as a whole ptoberly 50 in waiting room do fo the maths theres been trivial things sern before us
I attempted suicide twice within a week and was stopped from attempting a third time by the intervention of the police.
I was told I didn't have any acute mental health needs, that I just had "social issues", that I was just doing it for attention and that I should go back to my parents when I choose not to have contact with my father due to abuse.
Following the intervention of the police, I was mis diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and given a number for a crisis line. I'm deaf and do not use phone calls. I was given a generic safety plan that wasn't applicable to me and told I was on a three year waiting list for a therapy that wouldn't have helped because I don't actually have the illness I was diagnosed with.
At no point was I treated with dignity and respect. I wasn't given help. I was just fobbed off. Once I had the label of BPD, my mental health needs were dismissed as manipulation and attention seeking. I'm still fighting to get BPD removed from my records. I only received help because my family paid privately. Without paying privately, I'd have been left with no access to care and support for months or years, with an inaccurate diagnosis. It's quite probable that I wouldn't have survived.
yes agree, they definitely use bpd with women to bin them off, i had a friend with severe ocd who was rediagnosed with bod so they could discharge her, she is no longer alive after been allowed to walk off the ward and they failed to inform police for four hours, many people died on this unit and no investigations post coroners inquests
I waited 9 hours for an ambulance with fractured vertebra completely unable to get up laying on the hard floor all that time. Excellent care once in hospital though, was there a week.
When I was in UK. I saw empty boarded up streets under a constant grey sky, litter everywhere.
Homeless people sleeping in doorways. A women with cat whiskers makeup casually walking into Tesco with her pajamas, without a care in the world. Opioid addicts out of their mind and women so drunk they urinated on the streets. It's a sad declined country.
You basically summed our "kingdom" up very well 😂
Where in the UK can I ask?
That’s a lot of judgment on women
@@keepgoing7533 Southampton.
@@Abraham_Tsfaye London is quite similar depending how quickly services are able to clean the streets, not to mention other stuff like little ghettos of different ethnicity etc.
Can we take a moment to think that hospitals have unnecessarily bright lights, noisy environment and overstimulated environment...may be that triggers a lot of sensory overload
I think your referring to more neurodiversity
First thing I noticed when the video started. Not helpful at all.
1) it’s A&E shown in the photo, somewhere you are only supposed to be for up to 4 hours
2) it’s necessary to have the lights for members of staff to do their job, and it’s necessary to have the alarms for patient and staff saftey
I do agree about the waiting areas, but "working" areas need to be useable by staff.
Recently, I had an emergency admission to hospital. The treatment that I received was exemplary, but on the day that I was admitted I had problems.
I am a late diagnosed, high performing autistic person. I've had only 2 meltdowns in my life. As I was not diagnosed at that time I was told that I'd had a mental breakdown.
Knowing that I was on the Spectrum, staff wanted to get me a private room to make it easier for me to cope. This meant a longer wait.
The waiting area was hellish. Brightly lit, extremely noisy, it did not help me, but I'm sure that anyone would have been feeling extra stress.
Despite no one watching it, a television was on full volume. The doors crashed open and closed, and I mean loudly. I wasn't the only one to wince.
Had it not been for a lovely man who was waiting for his wife, I'd have had a meltdown. He could see that I was distressed and sat with me for the whole afternoon.
These conditions would be stressful for anyone. However, for non-neurotypical patients it can cause serious distress. Hospitals appear to be good at providing calm spaces for children, but not for adults. I do not advocate huge expenses for this. Just a greater amount of thought given to the atmosphere of certain areas. Staff go through quickly, so probably are not even aware that it's an issue.
Yes bright lights in bedrooms are not good for anyone suffering mental distress. I would think that should be basic knowledge for all the staff.
As a RMN (Registered mental health nurse) I find the NHS completely unable to provide adequate care to patients requiring mental health care. I have not worked for the NHS since 2020 due to burn out, which I think all NHS staff will inevitably get because the NHS just does not have the infrastructure to support staff or patient alike.
I for one have worked in Mental health services and general hospital. The difference is staggering to say the least. General hospital staff are not trained to deal with Mental health crisis patients, which then puts extra pressure on staff and safety of the person in crisis.
When are we collectively going to realise that humans just weren’t meant to live like this?
Nailed it.. people have had enough..
This has been occurring since around 2010. Tory austerity has crippled services. You're either too sick to access community services or not sick enough to access nhs services. Its awful. We need community services and support. We need better pay for our NHS workers. We need better pay and support for our most vulnerable in society. I've worked in it, I've accessed it, I've witnessed the failings and it's effects on my patients, family and friends. I've worked with colleagues working themselves to burnout trying to organise help for struggling patients. It's awful.
My mom attempted suicide in 2020, there was no adequate care for her then. She attempted suicide again March of this year and succeeded. She was well known to have suffered mental health issues for decades and still nothing was done. There just isn’t the facilities in this country.
Thats why I spend all my disability money on horses. My depression and anxiety are so severe I cannot work, I cant deal with people at all and trying to seek help is pointless, so I bought some horses to give me a reason to go outside (I live on the farm) and the horses keep my brain occupied so the depression and anxiety can't squirm there way into my thoughts as I have to concentrate on what I'm doing. It may not be the cheapest way to deal with it, but I have found it does help.. Unfortunately the horse is a little big to take to a supermarket..
@@Kat-mu8wq I'm 19, a guy, autistic, completely ostracized and isolated throughout pretty much my whole life since late primary school to Sixth Form which I'm about to finish. Gave up bothering with trying to make new friendships since I was 17 when I realised that for the most part, I didn't actually click with the people I was friends with and was putting all my energy into simply maintaining those friendships rather than into studying or literally anything else largely through pretending to be some larger than life figure which I was not.
Only reason I'm putting myself through this is so I can hope one day to be able to earn enough to buy a nice house in the country, have horses like you do and maybe one day raise a family. What I've already realised now is that society seems to be just a big game, and if your not born into specifically the right characteristic of person you're just left to rot on the wayside, rather than trying to fit into a world not built for you its just better to progress at the pace you can and in a way that suits yourself. I've found most 'therapy' and advice rather than making you comfortable in your own skin are basically just guides to be someone else, the societal norm.
😂😂😂 attempted.
Your mum costs the NHS millions and is attention seeking.
There fixed it for you
Your mum is seeking attention. No such thing as attempt! 😂
Tell your mum to get a job
Damm, not a single window in that building. That harsh artificial light would drive me insane too.
I have borderline personality disorder, PTSD and have had a psychiatrist refer me as "urgent" to the mental health team because I possibly have bipolar disorder too. I self harm regularly enough too. I phoned the mental health team about two weeks ago and told them I was having thoughts or murdering a past abuser and that I know where they work. The mental health team told me to ring Lifeline.
Iv worked my entire life despite all this and paid into the system, I can't even get a council flat and my appointments regarding bipolar disorder have been cancelled 3 times now. If I go off the rails they can't say I didn't warn them. This is also how people with mental health issues end up in prison. Nobody listens.
I'm so sorry you've experienced this. As someone else with borderline personality disorder and c-ptsd and other issues I get told similar. Nothing is preemptive. It's always when something has happened rather than prevent it. It's heartbreaking and soul-destroying. Sending love
@@nataliem4029 Exactly right when u say nothing is preemptive. It took me to require 80 stitches in my arms before they took me seriously and diagnosed me with BPD and PTSD. I was told by my GP for years I just had "anxiety". I hope you are doing well and thank you for the supportive comment. Sending love bk. 🙂
Blah blah bla, blah blah blah 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@mikel8850it's true we killed ourselves paying for private therapy for my husband who has bpd and other issues although not everyone is in a position to do this. It really is tough for people
Can you please turn to the Lord God Almighty who made you? He loves you and cares about you so much. Just call on his name for help and He will send his Holy spirit to calm your nerves and grant you the peace that no psychiatrist offer through any form of medication/rehabilitation. Ask Jesus to come into your life and be your Lord and Savior. You will experience great miracle if you do.
The amount of charities in this country that deal and help people with disabilities, mental problema, cancer support, poverty, etc etc, is staggering in comparison with other countries in Europe. These issues specially specially health should be dealt by NHS.
Charities existing is why the government won’t do anything. Why use tax payers money when volunteers and donations are doing the government’s job?
@@TheSuperPsychoKillerthat's not truth, the government won't help because they don't care, its that simple so charities try to fill the hole the government has created
The amount of money spent on treating self inflicted illness (smoking alcohol related, obesity/type 2 diabetes) yet people with mental health problems get nothing.
They do, but it’s too easy now to say I’m depressed when they are not, I’m a nurse in a&e and when I fill out the questionnaires they sometimes smirk at me as all they want is a sick note for a month off work. When I ask them why are they laughing at me do they think it’s funny and then I show my wrists as yes I know it’s wrong, bYes they did close a lot of mental health hospitals and mental health services, I am waiting as I am in crisis at the moment but my husband is an rmn and is caring for me at the moment. But I refuse to go on sick.
@@dottieland7061 well that's your choice. Don't compare to others
I hate the mental health system
I ain't exactly shouting from the roof tops, either!
What system?...
The population has inceased by 8million over a few decades..let that sink in.
Maybe the UK allows it because the UK needs the workforce?
@@josephbishara4791 That may be the case but its hard to tell how many of those 8 million are both qualified and actually filling those jobs. The UK was doing fine before the mass migration happened.
I have severe mental health problems but it was only after I broke my pelvis and spine in an attempt that I have had help. It should never have to get to that stage but it does.
The exact same happened to me, down to the broken pelvis and spine. I'm so sorry you understand what that's like and I'm glad you're getting help
@@trolololtiger I'm so sorry you went through that too. I hope you are doing better.
Trained nurses and Healthcare assistants are not trained in general hospitals to deal with mental health patients. It is wrong that they are forced to look after these people knowing nothing !!
Yup, my brother was turfed out of A&E at 1am after taking an overdose of pills in January. He successfully took his own life days later.
I’m so sorry for your loss 😢
He's at peace now. His suffering is no more. Depression really is a nasty thing to live with
That really blows. My condolences.
So sorry to hear this my dear it's a messed up world now I hope he has found peace and your ok I wish I could've talked to him I've found gentle listening and kindness goes a long way ❤❤
I'm sorry. Did you report this to the hospital via PALS? The A&E staff should know so that they hopefully think twice before doing the same thing again.
There is a mental health crisis everywhere, US, Canada, you name it. With little or no help!
It's a spiritual problem....the "doctors" don't know how to help..they just use their authority to make more money...
Faith in Jesus Christ alone can save from demons.
The western world is a very ungodly place these days...hence increase in demonic presence.
I second it!....
Start with the right diet for the brain.
I waited 3 years to be seen. In crisis! I wasn't severe enough to be seen by psychiatry apparently yet wanted to end my life. Now, my therapist is sick and I'm being told that they are now on time limited sessions. I have significant trauma. I've no idea how you can help someone with significant trauma in 6/10 sessions... It's so tough as I fully appreciate the amount of people on a bursting waitlist and I'm in fear about what will happen to me if I'm let go without any support.
I feel connected with this story in a different way. Earlier this year, I made a suicide attempt that got the coast guard involved in along with the police. The police told me that a crisis care line would call me the next day, and urged me to phone 999 if I ever had suicidal thoughts again. They also notified our local medical clinic that my family goes to.
That attempt happened on Friday; I received NO CONTACT from anyone for days. I had to call up my medical clinic to make an appointment on Wednesday. There, I asked to see the police report that they had been sent a copy of, and it clearly showed that the police had put me at high risk of attempting suicide again. Why, then, did no one try to help me?
BTW, that crisis care never contacted me at all.
Hey! I’m sorry to read what you’re going through. It’s unacceptable as someone should have rang you. Hang in there buddy! We need you. We all need each other 🤍
I hope your getting help your so love
UK is an ethnic dumping ground now I'm not surprised you guys are trying to kill yourselves... you've forgotten what it's like to live in a country that doesn't have a 50,000 person per month net immigration level. And the Government seems to be doing absolutely nothing about it.
@chisaten
I hope ur hanging in there matey, it's just following protocols fir them, empty words.
Ppl have become just a statistic & pressure on staff makes them deal w ppl like non-humans, they become robotic.
I stopped reaching out for help, even stopped w suicide attempts, & accepted myself as I am & where i am in life, i am ok to be a loner & a loser in society's eyes, & other circles.
If u can get the medicine you need from them if it can help u. I found medicine that helped a bit with my struggles, and I combine 3 different meds + sleeping pills to be functional.
At least I do not feel the need to reach out for help any longer & i deal with it on my own. I have also put the bar very very low for me to feel good about myself so i can manage life on my own terms.
Good luck to all 🙏✊😊💚🍀
This doesn't surprise me. I hope you receive some health and/ or family support
He said even more than mental health patients he sees looked after children stay for longer, as someone who was in care it’s horrific and we’re so forgotten about
Yup. Further North we had a young man waiting in A&E for 5 days for a male psychiatric bed. I felt so sorry for him.And I am not a bleeding heart.
as a 24 year old that grew up with the start of the internet, i blame social media. absolute cancer on a lot of young peoples mental health. so easy to feel jealous, inadequate, low social status. wish i was born 10-20 years earlier.
@@jps5980I’m 30 and I only use TH-cam. I used to use fb, Twitter and insta but deleted them just over a year ago and I honestly feel so much happier and more positive.
Couldn’t agree more with you. Our generation is a complete mess because of social media, i dread to see how the next generation will cope, it will surely be worse for them
I know. It started to suck big time after 2010. I was born in 94 and I wish I was born in the 70s to be honest. I don’t think anyone should have any more children now. I’m Antinatalist.
I was stuck in a&e for a week after an overdose. The nurses were amazing but the environment was horrible. I eventually got transferred to a psychiatric unit
It's this awful capitalist world we live if you can call it living
It's not difficult to overwhelm services that just do not exist in the first place, THERE ARE NO SERVICES!!
It is only going to get worse as the economy in Britain falls apart. Britain is in serious decline and it is only going to get worse.
There needs to be a separate A & E for Mental Health as it can be traumatic for them and other patients. Going over a week waiting for a psychiatric hospital is more common than you know. Its putrageous, yet Nurses do best they can and are amazing but they get zero support. It affects their mental healh too. So I say thanks to them.
As an A&E doctor I completely agree. I find it really difficult to provide care that I'm proud of to mental health patients in the A&E environment. Staff don't have the time, resources, nor specialised mental health training to deal with mental health crises. Also, immediate physical trauma or life threatening physical illness will always take priority due to the time pressure. We need a separate, specialised body of mental health staff for these patients, plus an environment with less chaos and more privacy.
@@celestialasmr9624how do we go about making that a reality.
@@celestialasmr9624 my experience of A +E doctors is that they are extremely punitive towards those in mental health crisis, choosing to see it as an attitude/behaviour problem or wasting staff time. The callous manner to which I've been subjected will haunt me till the day I die. I am happy for my physical health problems to dispatch me as I cannot bear hospitals and their staff after they way I was treated.
It also puts extra pressure on the mental health hospitals for them to discharge people back to the community before they're ready, to make room for a bed for the people in A&E. Then some of the people who were discharged end up back in A&E not long after, it just turns into a cycle. They need more mental health hospitals, and more mental health follow up community care available.
And who will fund this project and who will work there??
😂😂
I suffer from schizophrenia but that doesn't make me a lost cause. I myself and almost all people especially children need to develop better coping skills and life skills. They should be taught in school also. We need to just stop what we are all doing and look at the problems causing mental illness because mental illnesses are just a symptom of what the root cause is. No one here really goes to the park or for a walk or spends time learning a new hobby everyone is stuck on social media and looking to see likes or to argue or work so much they have no time for their families or even themselves. We need to start caring again about people and things, be humble and kind to one another, love and cherish each other and the moments of our lives. It truly is amazing that we even exist.
I was a ER\ Trauma nurse in Canada, although I trained at Leeds Infirmary. I spent 45 years here in Canada as an ER nurse. I’ve been retired for 13 years. We were dealing with the same problems then. Beds filled for days by Mental Health patients, and according to colleagues still working,it’s just getting worse. Who would want to work in this environment . No wonder there is a staff shortage.
Well unfortunately that is the consequence of failing to provision appropriate mental health care for this long. The issues won't just disappear if they are ignored. It is investing in massive pressure further down the line. Fail to invest in mental healthcare provision and a crisis is what you get.
It seems great britains healthcare system is crumbling. Those are the most insane wait times Ive ever heard of
Thatcher closed all the mh hospitals down and introduced care in the community a cheaper way. Just throw a little extra money at them. Unfortunately the general public have to suffer especially with the violent ones
I know there was a lot of abuse at the hospitals but this could've been sorted
All Mental Asylums closed everywhere in the world in the1960s and care was tuned over to municipalities.What do municipalities have to do with mental health?
@@bostonblackie9503 obviously they're set up to care for them via our taxes collected?
I expect them to do their job and reallocate wasteful spending elsewhere.!
And no they didn't
So this is actually a massive misunderstanding of the problems in psychiatric care.
Warehousing mentally ill people in asylums is not a good thing. It is fundementally abusive. The very act of imprisoning someone, taking away their freedom and isolating them from society is an act of abuse unless it is strictly necessary. For most people, it is not.
In patient treatment is needed for some people. It can be extremely beneficial. It is not however appropriate for all and institutionalisation is recognised to cause harm.
The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people are not violent. The stigma that we're somehow vicious or threatening is a major part of the problem.
What we really need is a massive investment in community care. Proper community care that is long term, therapeutic and with sufficient speciality for all.
What we have today is a massive gulf in service provision. There is lots of investment in brief cognitive behavioural therapy, but nothing for people that that doesn't work for. The majority can be treated in the community, but that can only happen if there are sufficient treatment options. We would be outraged if the only therapy offered for breast cancer was surgery, with such enormous waiting lists for chemotherapy and radiotherapy that they may as well not exist. The situation in mental health care is equivalent to that, it's dreadful.
I waited about 18 months for a surgery, in UK, I left uk to go in EU to do this surgery... that was to remove a tumour , in UK they say I am not emergency,---- In EU hospital told me if I will waited more. I will be a emergency of life end death,, I WAS TREATED immediately, in 3 weeks in EU , I done all tests , blood tests scans..etc including the surgery..
in UK in 18 Months I did only same blood tests but no surgery.. and they lost the blood once.in UK, so I need to go again to give blood again..
in EU the doctors knows what to do , in UK they asked me what I think.. well I am not a doctor.. you tell me what to do..
IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE GO OUTSITE UK, cheaper and better .
The UK is finished. No health care
Which country did you go ? How much did you pay?
@@giakolou2876 Germany 5k euro
I had a therapist a few years ago, was seeing her about 4 years (took that long to build trust before I could open up, she was NHS) she left for a new job and I haven't the energy to go through it all again. Ive lived with ny depression and anxiety for 21 years (since I was 9) I use escapism to deal with the depression, the anxiety I'll likely never get rid of as it (along with my depression) has damaged my brain. Therapy and anti-depressant pills aren't going to work anymore. Nobody in my family knows how bad it actually gets, because I never show them. I'm too tired to seek treatmemt or help.
I can't recall who coined the phrase, but it went something along the lines of: " it is no measure of a sound mind to be well adjusted to a sick society". That really struck a chord with me. All of us in the thick of it, we're not mad, we are probably not even truly mentally ill. We are having a natural reaction to a social system that has gone toxic. The way society is now, the pressure, stress, unrealistic expectations, cost of living, it is making huges swathes of humanity ill, but those in power will never accept this reality as it means they must admit their own failures, which the powerful elite are incapable of.
Bless that girl, you can see how sad her eyes are
I have worked and lived in various EU countries, I can honestly say that healthcare in the UK is the worse I experienced. The NHS is a big joke and nobody should have to pay for this rubbish, at least in Germany you have a choice: Private or Public healthcare.
Agreed. Until the UK recognises this, nothing will change. They need to start paying for basic treatments. The whole system is finished
@@prp3231it was working fine until the Conservatives got into power. Funny that..
@@fibson977517 years ago a tape measure to monitor a pregnancy! meanwhile in germany you get free bi-monthly scans measuring everything about the baby, this has nothing to do with a political party, the NHS is not a healthcare system
It’s much deeper than that I think. It’s been taken for granted for too long now. The country is overpopulated, too much taking and not enough giving into the system. The nhs was established by a generation that gave more than they took from life.
I work in mental health in the uk. We are
One of the few countries who treat and support mental health. I am treating a man from Cuba who cried on me and thanked me because he had never received support.
I won’t speak badly of nhs. We are limited with what we can do.
If you can’t back it go private but a psychiatrist ur talking 1000’s good luck
Be grateful for everything in life even drinking clean water
Ingrates everywhere. Having less is coming.
Lol are you ignorant and deluded? You can't be grateful when you're suicidal.
When your mind or brain is diseases or disordered it's hard to be grateful. I would love to be grateful everyday but life wears one down esp when so many barriers to get help. We are lucky for the bare minimum but we have a system that is meant to provide more.
@@nataliem4029 most humans i meet are never grateful for what they have, they just want more. The sustainer of all things decides it whether you accept it or not.
@@allykhan8594 That's because humans are hard wired to want more by default. It's our very nature to be this way. Just like it's the nature of trees to grow tall and get more light. It would be better if all the trees agreed to stay small and be grateful for what light they have. But that's not the way life works and it never will.
Families used to live together in the same street and support each other, but this has slowly disappeared, with more and more people isolated, alone and relying on the state for help instead of a family unit add to this the pressures of modern life and too much phone and screen time, parents ignoring their kids and boom huge mental health crisis!!!!
It's nowhere near that simple. I don't have contact with my father because he was abusive. I deliberately live at the other end of the country to avoid him. If we lived near each other, or God forbid with each other, one of us would end up dead.
I think I’ll follow my Mom and serve in the Mental Health Department in the UK.
Brits seem like they are going through the most. Sometimes all you need is some compassion to go with the meds. (The compassion might even sometimes have a bigger effect).
Good luck.
If you immigrate to the UK, the effect will merely be to create labour shortage elsewhere in the economy, deliver no significant net fiscal benefit, stagnate wages, and contribute to broader social and political problems.
I have seen other comments of yours and it is clear you do bit understand the impact of immigration and it is clear you hold very bigoted ideas toward white people.
Also, a big shout-out to the guards who spend hours with someone in crisis. Sometimes they end up being more helpful than the psychiatrists......
I agree. Reception staff and cleaners also; normal workaday folks treating you normally and not judging . Kind hearts go a long way towards curing troubled folk .
My son is diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia- for the last 10 years it’s been like living in a nightmare of degrees-which began to affect me very directly this year thru a strange phenomena known as foile deux ( madness of two ) It showed me the mind can create a contagion of madness and affect other family members who have no history of mental illness
@@Hippowdon121 please elaborate
@@mattametadon't listen to that person 😑
@@Hippowdon121As a qualified RMN (Registered Mental Health Nurse), I feel your comment here is inappropriate and unacceptable. It also smacks of ignorance and immaturity.
@@Hippowdon121horrible person
@@mairi2693you forgot hate and maliciousness … I reported the troll
01:20, that's because once upon a time we had places for such people. The Thatcher government closed them down, introduced 'care in the community'. What can one expect? 😳
those asylums were horrid places, moron.
Did 3 months in a hospital for mental health had security take me for a vape had 2 agency carers watching me 24/7 horrible is the nicest way to put the time I did there I’m 13 got arrested 3 times for running away been shameless down in a van been restrained by 4 security guards at once I’m 13 now in care. I was found hanging 3 times and got cut down honestly never wanna go back to hospital again
Mental health patients don’t belong in A&E they need separate specialist mental health hubs
Don’t worry, if we just give Tories another chance they’ll be able to fix it! They’re good with money and will save us cash whilst still giving a world class service!
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm 🫠
😂
@@sabrinaihhit’s obviously sarcasm…
@@George-wk1ww I’d like to think it’s obvious but sadly there are still some dipshits who actually think this so you never know
How hard is it to block all comments getting mass SPAMMED daily. They all contain just a single unique identifying string of letters. It should be the simplest thing and the fact it isn't done makes me terrified about the subtler stuff that is allowed through
Bitcoin trolls are also Trump trolls
Around 10 years ago, i had ptsd as a result of a s. Assault. I was often having thoughts of ending it or ending my attacker. The only people i could speak to were a "crisis" team over the phone. Often, they would refer me to a+e as it was an "emergency". The a+e staff were not at all equiped to deal with me and would kick me out. On one occasiob they made up that i had attacked a staff member and security had to check the cctv to clear me. I didnt recieve "care" on a single occasion. NHS needs to be transparent that they do not have these facilities and you should not go to a+e.
Sorry to hear that happened to you
@@emme2141 with me, I had to wait around 4 hrs to see a trained person. When he turned up, he just outright said I had threatened a member of staff and wouldn't be doing anything. I asked when and how and he couldn't tell me. I left, then returned 15 minutes later and caused a majorly embarrassing scene for them. They took me into their triage room where the security guy came out and backed me up. In my case they straight outright lied about me, and holding them to account Infront of other service users was the only thing that worked. I've also worked for the NHS (SHSC) and knew some of the staff who work there as mental health nurses personally and have even shared offices with them. They were never busy and were often very dismissive about patient concerns when they thought nobody was watching. I had to sit in a room for around 4 hours for that initial consultation and I know for a fact that the nurse who eventually saw me was not with other patients. In total I was referred to a + e 7 or 8 times and when assessed they said there was nothing wrong with me. On every single occasion police or ambulance service would be sent out by neighbours shortly afterwards. Eventually I was referred to Paulina Gonzales, the senior clinical psychologist. She couldn't believe that I had assessed multiple times and found to be OK. I feel much better these days after just chatting to her for 10 1hr sessions.The problem is that half of the staff are dismissive and do not give a toss frankly. I think the time with her must have cost a small fraction of the multiple other interventions prior.
That is the united Kingdom? It looks like Pakistan.
Pakistan is richer
Rishi "I've done a great job" Sunak
Government needs a training programme for people who want to retrain as mental health professionals to take some off the pressure off the nurses and doctors and help people who need support. Government failure all over this such a shame.
The Tories are to blame for this current system!
The community centres have been closed down beds have been taken away from psychiatric units funding removed so where do you expect people to go?
I used to work for a children's hospital with a pediatric psych (inpatient) unit. All patients including mental health came through the ED. It would not be uncommon to see up to 10 patients in the ED at a time. We tried to get them placed quickly but there was usually at least 1-2 patient waiting more than 3-4 days for a bed. This means that the medical patients needing help in the lobby are waiting longer too because there aren't enough ED beds at times. Everyone is doing everything they can to mitigate this situation. I'm not sure that throwing more resources at the problem is enough. The root cause of these issues must also be addressed. Its not just finding a bed, its finding the appropriate bed. One has to consider the other patient on the unit. You can't overload them with violent patients, for example. Also, there aren't enough mental health beds anyway, not enough staff. Just my opinion. I am from the USA.
I have Issues and now the CMHT refuse to see me because I don't meet the criteria for therapy that I do need, I got bounced back to the GP coping mechanisms that just don't work for me and they will not help me develop new ones unless I become a risk for them. I plan to try and fix myself but I can see this failing and my partner having to get me to A and E
Have you tried looking for free services to help? In my local area we have something called Trent PTS and they are amazing, free and you get a call to book your appointment soon after making your referral, I'm sure there must be something in your local area where by you can be seen quicker or given a different kind of support. Hope you are ok x
@@idonyb-h3370 yes sadly I have BPD PTSD and bipolar one and they have refused it in the past due to being too complex
I have multiple disorders. My CMHT refused to provide me any therapy or any type of help even after trying to take my life multiple times. Alongside, getting into trouble with the justice system. The only reason I’m alive is because my parents forked out £40k to pay privately for me to see a forensics psychologist and other services. Just absolutely horrific how mentally ill people are treated in the UK. A majority of people don’t care and it’s certainly not working when they have cut all of the services and the tories even sold of all of the public psychiatric wards so you have these tiny wards that don’t have enough space now… NOTHING IS WORKING.
Getting rid of the white lights would be a great first step
We need mental health hospitals or clinics
They need to sort out the lazy good for nothing pych consultants, they are at the root of a lot of problems, and a lot of them work and priotise private work whilst keeping up appereances in the NHS. Swanning around in 100k cars living the high life whilst their patients suffer. Sacking 200 odd MH workers to save one lazy consultant like happened locally here should be criminal.
“Some of these children display very childish behavior” a real quote from a medical doctor
Drink less and do less drugs. Self help is essential. People expect too much from medical professionals.
The tories have done well not taxing big business and allowing them to register off shore and operate here and so taking our money and giving nothing back. Offshore companies need to go ASAP as do Non Doms. We need to be rid of big business in health care milking the NHS. We have big business taking money out of the NHS. What are labour going to do about these issues. Labour need to start telling us if they want our vites.
so sad to see this happening in a first world country
This is what the rest of the world should aspire to, once they too become 'first world'
Import third world become third world. Over 8 million in just a few decades. Same happening in Europe.
@@davidgalea6113 it's not about the migrants. The 'chavvy' class ain't exactly foreign... They're as native as it gets. On the other extreme have a look at upper class toffs - also white - who hardly care about the country beyond what positions they can take advantage of in order to line their own pockets, or ship off their wealth to offshore accounts (including the royal family)
You can't quite blame it on the browns and the blacks... If they fill gaps in the NHS and in industry, it's because the natives aren't up to the mark to do so themselves.
The political system is completely corrupt. Society is without values and has totally disintegrated. There is a lack of morality
Maybe it's a curse or something, who knows
I’m so depressed, honestly life just fucking sucks, this isn’t right
But we continued to accept 1.2million every to years into the UK, and can afford 8.3 million a day on illegals Hotel fees
Why does this country let them in?
The presence of God is the greatest therapy any one can ever experience. If only the world can return to God their maker....
@@jps5980 I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?
Jer 32:27
In your case, you never truly believed. You wanted to try God/prove a point that God cannot heal. But hear this this day, the word of God is true. God doesn't need your validation to be God. Whether you believe or not, it's your gain/loss. But I beg you, turn fully to God and you will be glad you did.
For the sick person, you said he will be worse if God doesn't heal him. So is he any better now that he's not getting the needed help from hospital? "Guess it's better to hold onto a tiny string than hold nothing at all"
For those you called unreligious, I can only say, it's such a big risk to live in this world full of evil and not believe in God. May God open their eyes to see.
God is just another _"feel good"_ drug. Religion makes more money than the drug business.
That sure helped during the black plague that wiped out half of Europe, didn't it.
Lies lies lies😂
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When you are at crisis point and ask for help, and don't get it, sad things happen.
Hands up who voted Tory in the last 13+ years...!? It's on you!
Tories need to go! Sadly, I don't see it improving much (if at all) under a Labour lead government. Sad to say, but the whole country is f##ked!
They always have an answer as to what they are doing, well its obvious what ever it is they are doing is not working. They need to admit their failings and put it right, patients deserve better.
In this case mental health is a really hard area to work in. The turnover is so high because of burn out. Imagine having to listen to depression, anxiety, self harm, psychosis and suicide attempts one after another.. write up the notes then another then another then another
Its not the hospitals fault there aren’t more hospitals…
They can’t just ‘do better’. If there aren’t any beds then there aren’t any beds
MH issues been trying to get help since march absolute joke. It’s October .. still waiting on therapy and med change. Shocking no help.
Those demographics are particularly horrifying. All the best
You know what, ASMR videos on TH-cam literally helped me.
Look into Epigenetics Reprogramming, you can literally Reprogram your DNA so your genes are not passed Down, it can take up to 14 years to permanently Change your DNA, so it's not passed on , but you can start to change your DNA in 6weeks because Sublimanals and Binaural Beats are encoded in our cellular memory, but I'm probably still gonna look into Crispr Because alot of serious Mental health Disorders in my family like Bipolar and Schizophrenia, Aswell as Autism No way I'm passing that on
They should make a ward for people like myself who suffer from mental health.
If half of the patients are mental health patients, half of the staff needs to be mental health staff. After a few hours waiting, most mental health patients will get worse, this is the one group of patients a hospital should take care of FIRST to avoid complications and other patient groups being affected.
I completely agree with you however it will never happen because the political elite and the general public are still so hopelessly delusional as to believe a mental health crisis is a failure on the part of the patient to take responsibility for their behaviour and attitude. I've been told off so many times while in hospital for "letting myself loose control " that I no longer ask for help as it's pointless. The only good thing now for me is I am also declining physically so I'm not likely to live to older age, which I'm sort of satisfied with in a way as I don't want to be alive.
When a Government Minister or Spokesperson says we have put millions into this service and it seems to be failing you need to ask what is happening to that money and how much money is really needed to make the service work. Does increasing bankers bonuses so that they can buy a new Ferrari improve normal people’s lives? In Victorian times rich people like Titus Salt, the Lever family and the Cadbury’s family used their wealth to build homes for their workers. Some of Today’s wealthy people just spend their money on getting wealthier as they are greedy!
Yep good point!
I waited 12 hours in a and e after they found me a bed.
Maybe if the government stop spending unnecessary amounts of money on stupid things they don’t need and gave more to the NHS we wouldn’t be in this position.
Drugs and alcohol is the biggest contributer to mental health, if the UK government can go all in on combating drug misuse and early anti drug legislation on education at schools and community centres.
We have took democracy for granted i wish the UK kept its backbone like it did up until about the year 2000. This generation is growing up with respect to authority. Everyone thinks there rights overtrumps everyone else's rights. Western countries is collapsing while China, North Korea, Iran etc is on the rise knowing how important education is. Western countries needs to calm down and get back on track.
Ukraine flag ..make sure you keep up with your vaccination's
Never touched alcohol or drugs and I've had anxiety and depression for 21 years. So severe I cannot work, I cannot be around people at all.
NHS. Enough said. Unreliable and unhelpful unfortunately. Disgusting.
and what would you say is the solution?
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xxa new health care system
Start charging people for basic care. The UK can't afford to treat everyone.
I have ADHD depression some ocd and anxiety I lost my mother on October 2020 I was diagnosed with serve depression and I've just started getting help this year the last few months its been stopped again I've now got to wait another 3 weeks because I have to work and have to wait till they can fit me in for an appointment around work I can't get any help I was refused Pip Even through I've been diagnosed with the above I'm 45 years old and I also take care of a 19 who is on the autistic spectrum and also has a long list of mental health conditions
Try ASMR videos, they help me a lot. I’m in the autistic spectrum with learning difficulty and minor depression.
Did you appeal, sometimes you have to to get an award.
@@J4sonkempson🤔
People not accessing health when they need it has become the new normal
We get the point; We're all more effed up in the head than ever, services are falling apart, housing is falling apart, finances are worsening, society is dying. So what exactly are we supposed to do about it?
Stop having children and be Antinatalist.
Too many comers have been taken!.
5 years strict border closure in order to recovery of the country!
Why only 5 years?
Its no difference in a private hospital in Central London. One private hospital is very unsafe. Just for the sake of business they employ a staff with bad records of safety. Patients were not aware that they are unsafe in that hospital because the management is covering up for that nurse .
Back to the insincere reporting and dishonest graphs I see. And in the process as always, missed the actual story altogether. Instead we keep getting the line "mental health patients should be somewhere else". What do you think that's going to do to people in distress today, tomorrow, next week, who have seen this program?
Majors A is not the whole of A&E. It's a subsection. So the answer is no, 50% of A&E is not mental health patients.
The graph conveniently has no labels. 6 and 12 what? Percent? Hours? Thousand? Months? Double doesn't mean anything without statistical context.
Amazing, patients with an acute, complex presentation need to stay in A&E longer than those with less complex presentations. Amazing. Who would have thunk. You break a leg or get into a car accident, referral to x-ray, orthopaedics, surgery or a ward is pretty straightforward. Similarly if you present with schizophrenia induced psychosis referral on to a mental health bed is also straightforward. Whether physical or mental health related, those straightforward referrals make up 80%+ of cases (4:5).
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Wouldn’t it just be easier to have separate mental health emergency departments that asess and admit patients instead of sending them away or having them waiting on a mental health assessment which can take hours, I used to work in mental health and it is a arables full of soul less staff!!
The issue is they usually need medical clearance or have significant co-morbidities which mental health staff aren’t equipped for.
For example a lot of serious mental health cases in A&E are overdoses/suicide attempts that require medical treatment, or are acute drug induced states
Watching this all I can say is that I wish the UK would learn that the way the U.S. deals is not the way to go. When Capitalism is the rule then people start to break. It is DIRECTLY CAUSED by economic and social suffering...housing and financial insecurity. Good grief.
Society is broken
Well my menntal health is terrible... Is there even any point in trying to find medical help??
Creating another service nationwide, and training and employing more mental health professionals is the answer to free up beds needed for the services they were intended for. And also liaison psychiatric services to streamline referrals would also help enable parity of esteem.
And Rishi Sunak will still deny it even with this report.