Revisiting old products is such an important thing that reviewers need to focus on, since it's closer to what users will experience in the long run. Thanks a lot!
@MemeMan but have you tried the acer nitro 5 2020 The battery lasts for less than 2 hours and goes up to 90 degrees celcious when you even just watch youtube on it I shouldn't have just gotten a damn pc WHY did I bother on portability sooo much?!?!
While Smartshift is a good idea in theory, I think the execution failed with this laptop. I own a Dell G5 SE and I've kinda figured out how Smartshift works. The total shared power(115 W) goes through the CPU first, and then the GPU gets its share. For example, when under both CPU and GPU load, CPU Power readings will show 115 Watts and GPU Power will show 70 Watts. This means the CPU is using 45 W to boost its clocks and sends the remaining 70 to the GPU. But this doesn't work as intended because the 115 W cooks the CPU, at least it does to my 4800H. The GPU almost never sees full utilization because CPU starts throttling immediately. 4800H and 5600M are beasts on their own but they're ironically crippled by Smartshift. Disabling CPU boost through power plans as many people on the Internet suggested actually fixes the bigger part of this problem. But I've experienced crashes on some games with the boost off, whereas I don't have them with the boost on. My guess is that disabling CPU boost confuses SmartShift and causes crashes. Disabling boost isn't a favorable solution anyway as you give up CPU performance. Let's take a look at GTA V as an example: CPU Boost: On Settings: High-ish Average FPS: Around 100 Temps: 95-105°C CPU, 61°C GPU CPU Boost: Off Settings: High-ish Average FPS: 85 Temps: 60°C CPU, 55-60°C GPU CPU Boost: Off Settings: Very High Average FPS: 85 Temps: 80°C CPU, 80°C GPU As you can see, especially between the second and third tests, the CPU temps differed significantly even if they were pretty much putting in the same amount of work. That's because in the third test GPU requested more power to keep up with higher settings and this extra power also went through the CPU first. Second test had 60-70 W CPU Power while third test had around 90 W and the increase was equal in GPU Power. This is the flaw of Smartshift in Dell G5 SE, CPU has to endure both its own and the GPU's power so it turns into an oven even on GPU heavy loads.
Hey man great input! Makes a lot of sense. I just got the 4600h model. So what do you propose for temps as low as possible WITH playable FPS, I don't care if 20% reduction happens in gaming performance
@@pritamlaskar My current setup is leaving everything as Dell intended with an agressive custom fan curve in Alienware Command Center, using it on a cooling pad. I use the latest Dell provided drivers with no other third-party software. As you probably noticed this isn't the most stable laptop and it's prone to crash even more if you tinker with it much. It might be just my bad luck but I remember getting crashes more often when I disabled CPU boost or when I capped FPS to get better thermals. Your 4600h model will probably do better in gaming as there isn't much difference in gaming performance between 4600h and 4800h, but 4600h should need less power for itself and have more to spare for the GPU. Create a new thermal profile in Alienware Command Center(AWCC) and set up an agressive fan curve for both the cpu fan and the system fan. Scan installed games with AWCC and assign them your new thermal profile. Your fans will work accordingly to your fan curve now and you'll eliminate the problem of passive fans. Keep AWCC minimized before launching games. Also, you can hit Fn+F7 to enable AWCC high performance mode which sets your power plan to high performance and runs your fans at constant max speed. It's loud and may shorten your fans' lifetime but better your fans than your CPU. I use this mode for demanding games. If you're willing, you can use Ryzan Controller and set custom TDP values for your CPU. Keep in mind that the TDP that you set for your CPU will also be used by the GPU, so setting it to the default 45 TDP will be crippling. I'd suggest going around 90 TDP if you're going to use Ryzen Controller, but again we don't know how Smartshift operates and playing with these values is swimming in deep waters. For example, I didn't know at the time that CPU power would be shared with GPU and I was surprised at how awful the performance was with 45 TDP.
Thanks for the update, I've finally gotten off the fence and ordered one of these because of your updated review regarding the thermals. At $900 Canadian it seems like a decent deal and I probably won't have buyer's remorse now :)!
So It is so weird when you upload an video exactly for what I was looking for (even though you said others asked you too). I watched your June video and the color and temps turned me away from this device. Still haven’t bought a laptop as I waited for the m1 chips. For some reasons I came back to this laptop (probably because of the price and the full amd setup). I also don’t find the color now that bad and heard about the rumors that the temperatures are now fixed. And now you made the video! Awesome!
Hey Jarrod, I am a G315 2020 user which has the same design as the G515 . The main thing is that the hinges of both these laptops are really bad .The hinge is made up of cheap plastic and there have been hinge popping issues for these laptop users. The hinge breaking off issue happens usually in 6-12 months of purchase. This leads the user to get it replaced and it costs around 150-200$.So instead of the MRP, there is a price of 150-200$ per year of getting the hinge replaced our own pockets. So it is actually better to choose another laptop instead of this , as you spend 600 - 800$ for hinge replacements in its lifetime (Or buy a 300$ warranty).
Perhaps because the game will be receiving performance updates for a long while, performance benchmarking could potentially be pretty different in a few months depending how much the updates can further optimize it. It is a very new game still atm
Would make more sense at a later date IMHO. Benchmark charts are always influenced by patches and drivers over time. But with the state the game is in, I suspect that benchmarks made with the current version will become irrelevant very fast.
I will start testing it next year, all videos up until CES were created before the game came out and I won't have new gaming laptops until after that time.
@@JarrodsTech Any chance you can review the new Dell G5 /G15, which had a refresh recently, perhaps you are still waiting on Dell to ship one out to you.
Reviewer -> with the RX5600M firmware in place we can now use Ryzen Controller (RyzenADJ) to thermally limit the CPU by telling the smartshift controller how much total power is allowed. Setting the Thermal limit will drop over all laptop/system performance but for some games (MMOs like WoW, ESO, GW2, and heavy CPU games) where the GPU is not hit hard (60% or so) This can lock the CPU at 85c-88c and maintain 4.125Ghz for the PPT period down to 3.6-2.8Ghz after. Be mindful that this will limit the power split between the CPU+GPU for games that heavily hit the GPU and cause the CPU to 'break' and drop clocks to 1.3ghz-2.1ghz while the GPU is under heavy loads (Cyberpunk2077 shows this beautifully). Currently there is no way to 'unload' Ryzen Controller without a reboot, so just make sure you do not auto start the application so you can 'unload' it when you want higher GPU usage. But its a nice way to control thermals when you want/need to.
The slight performance drop is definitely a preferable alternative to higher temps, though it is interesting how some games have seen a boost in fps and others have not. Maybe the Windows or drivers update also had something to do with it?
dont know if its all systems but mine was having siezures whenever i played games. turn off image sharpening as it messes with the newest drivers. found this out after 3 months and sending it away for repairs about a million times lol
This makes me optimistic for a 5800H + 6700M model this year. I hope they give a more premium unit a more upmarket look (that look would be fine for 5600H + 6500M) but this gives me another thing to be excited about at CES.
Dutch user here! I bought a G3 for €999. (Stock G5 is €1150+ and AMD version NOT available) Hoping to do 6+ years with it. (I don't run heavy games, stuff like War thunder mostly) In my country the AMD versions of the legion 5 suck (1650 gtx only, atleast for now), intel ones are over €1150, and the HP omen is even more expensive at €1200+ for the gpu/cpu version I opted for. An alternative would've been a TUF A15 with the same cpu but with an rtx 2060 for €50 more. However, I hated the oh so apparent looks, and well... It's an A15. My G3 has the 10750h and gtx 1660ti. I'm happy with it, but what do other viewers think? Did I make a "mistake" not buying the Legion 5(i) or an Omen, which are both far more expensive? And why? SIDENOTE: I am aware of the "problems" this series carry (in some cases) but I liked the "stealthy" design, card slots, performance and... Price, most importantly.
Did you install the latest AMD/graphics drivers from Dell, or the AMD website? Did you use the specific version for this model or the generic latest driver package? Cheers!
The Driver in the video is the same from Dell's site. For me Dell's provided driver gives better performance, but it removes the AMD Adrenalin Software for me. does it do that for you too?
@@Diaahero555 hey i also have it! you should. if you really need a gaming pc but also dont have space for a desktop get this. it performs well and is fast in games and on browsers. although the battery life, as expected, is poor and if youre gaming always play in a cool room and stay plugged in :P
If you take the mesh off the vents on the inside of the laptop it makes the performance better. I finally did it and dropped 20c when playing far cry 6. Just not sure how much dust is going to get into it now.
I ordered a G5 15 SE with Ryzen 9, 16GB RAM, 1TB HD. Not for games, but to edit video on. I should have it within a couple weeks. I'm not too worried about reports of an overly warm keyboard, I plan to use a USB keyboard and mouse with it.
Very good follow up on the G5 😆👍 I would prefer a few extra degrees and lil extra performance from the a newer update to the G5 to remove the reversed disparity currently see . Love your content 🥰🥰👍🇦🇺. Thanks JT, cheers 🍻
I was just browsing on this issue..as I had to buy a laptop ## it's like you read my mind..thanks Jared...do I go for this or go for legion 5 with same CPU specs and gtx 1650 ti
Just joined a G5 SE community (reddit and discord) apparently the quality control department is asleep at the wheel! Lots of people doing upgrades or pulling apart to do repasted jobs and finding protective plastic still on one side of the thermal pads on the M.2! Then on the VRM's, we're seeing thermal adhesive on the back between pad/IHS which isn't optimal at 1.5W.m/k thermal transfer capabilities. Please check yours and report back.
Same. I immediately liquid metal all my laptops and honestly haven't looked back. Yeah it's a little tedious as you have to reapply it down the line for it to be permanent with the crappy laptop heatspreaders but performance has only ever improved and noise levels always go down. Temps stay about the same but that's how modern laptops work.
@@MonsieurX12 There's a bunch on youtube. Main thing is to apply as little as possible as all problems I've seen stem from applying too much. Apply a small amount to a swab and spread it around until you get a layer of it evenly spread on the die and heatsink. It may take a bit of you have a super polished surface as the liquid metal won't initially adhere due to the high surface tension. If you get it on other things just use isopropyl alcohol and wipe it off. Nail polish/tape over the smds helps if you're sketched out and adds some extra peace of mind but I've legitimately never seen the nail polish actually be useful. After you've done one application do another in a few months as the liquid metal will react away with the copper turning into a silver copper-gallium alloy. Nothing to be concerned about just need to apply more. Thermal performance will technically drop slightly as the alloy is less conductive than pure copper but still an order of magnitude more conductive than thermal paste. Also should've mentioned make sure the heatsink plate is solid copper. Scratch away a portion of the heatsink away from the center. It should remain copper colored. If it's silver after scratching away the copper that means the heatsink is aluminium and shouldn't be used with liquid metal.
@@LiveType thanks, i was kinda worried about the creation of intermetallics but if it stabilize after adding more metal it should be fine. I've ordered the Dell G5 and was worried about thermals so your comment reassure me quite a bit.
@@LiveType how much does the performance improve after liquid metal? how many FPS gains, multicore clock frequency increase, cinebench R20 score increase?
Don't get it. I bought one. Get a different one depending on budget. Wait a few months for new 2021 laptops otherwise rn under 70k I'd say get IdeaPad gaming 3i with ryzen 4600h + 1650ti for 66k
thank you JT!! one of my most anticipated videos in youtube because I owned a G5 SE too! 😇 could you tell me where did you get the latest radeon drivers? tnx :D
So if anyone can help me , I am between this laptop and Lenovo Legion 5 5ARH05 (Ryzen 7-4800H/16GB/512GB/GeForce GTX 1650/FHD/W10,120hz) , what do you suggest? Lenovo has the 1650Ti not 1660 , in case you didnt see it. Thanks in advance
@@lugia5491 It’s worth it since it can play all currently released games at Ultra/High for 1080p gaming. Also you’d be able to take advantage of the 144Hz screen on most games.
The graphics performance was less due to using old AMD radeon drivers. You should be using 20.12.1. Why do a refresh if you're still using old AMD drivers?
Bro, I've had so many problems with this laptop. The original didn't work properly. The replacement that got sent doesn't work properly either. Now it's hard for me to get another replacement. They keep saying it's out of policy. But like, I have a warranty and the complete care/ accidental damage service! Really!?
Is Ideapad Gaming 3 with ryzen 7 4800h and GTX 1650 TI a good choice? Been looking for laptops for weeks and watched Jarrod's vids for a whole day man :/
For anyone with the latest Gpu Driver from Dell's site (the one on the video), does installing the new driver, remove the amd adrenaline software for you, because for me it does.
@@JarrodsTech Hardware Canucks’ review shows the fans being manually being maxed and the laptop clocking higher and matching an RTX 2060 equipped laptop (idk which one).
In our country, Dell G5 SE and Lenovo Legion are both available but the Legion is with Ryzen 7 4800H with a 1650 GPU. Prices are similar though. What is more worthy?
So I wound up taking a risk and bought this. I got it for 700$ and it was the right price for the specs. I think the highest I've seen the cpu get is 88. The graphics card very rarely ever goes above 80. HOWEVER. You have to START with gmode / max fans *before* you open a game. some of the more cpu intensive games I've tried have almost instantly overheated. I haven't seen 90 degrees yet with the fans on. (And yes, it's loud. I almost always have to use a headset.) It is what is. You obviously get what you pay for with this but Its able to play games and I saved about 300$ from other options I was looking at, and that's good enough for me.
@@takemeasahydrationreminder662 no, that one only increase/decrease the thermal budget. while you can send voltage value through MSR, it is ignored. afaik there's a mesage ID to change max voltage value in the SMU, but that only changes max voltage. ryzen mobile juggles its frequency depending on factors and afaik only uses P-state as some kind of reference point before increasing/decreasing current cpu voltage value.
Very timely video So the thermals are good now right? And can be improved even further by using Ryzen controller. In my country, most of the laptops in the same price range have the much weaker 1650Ti So I was thinking about investing abit more and getting this laptop with a much better Gpu Cyberbug 2077 chugs on laptops with 1650/Ti but this laptop handles it on high like a champ Seems very future proof
I reviewed your last video on taking care of a gaming laptop. For the G5 SE, does the laptop have optimus for external monitor? Also, is there a charge level limit to extend battery life? Thanks!
I’ve had my dell G5 SEE for about eight months now and at first I played games like Apex legends when it was new and then ran at very good frame rates in high settings. Due to college I couldn’t played FPS or Battle Royales for the last six months. I tried playing some rFortnite it’s struggling quite a bit even in medium settings at 30 fps with sudden frame drops. Idk if it’s slow due to programs or sum but any advice would be greatly appreciated
I feel very sad that I bought the 2019 G5, at least I managed to get the i5 9300H and GTX1650 version for only $1162AUD but I am running at 83-86C so •_•
@@savp2293 someone saw me playing games on it this weekend, and couldn't believe the specs and game quality. Game I was playing was CoD:MW. However, I have improved upon Dell's cooling solution, because it's a bit lackluster. Needs better paste, pads, and gap taped up between IHS fins and fans. Needless to say they're going to wait until it goes on sale then they're going to buy one.
I opened mine up and ripped out the bottom mesh covering the air vents. My laptop was hitting 90 degrees+ now it seems not to get past 75. Seems to run alooot cooler now. Can anyone else confirm this?
Definitely better with bios updates. At least palatable now. Would love to see ultrabook reviews, I have a Lenovo S540 with 4600u at the moment, and just playing some old games. Nice laptop overall
Can i buy this laptop in 2021 august ? And as you say updating it can give better result in performance and thermals so what do you suggest should i buy it? And please leave the links to update the softwaresss
99.7 on the cpu is too high for me, i would feel uncomfortable gaming for long periods with that temp, 91 isnt too bad though i could probably game without worrying at that temp. i have an msi gs63vr right now and i have to turn off turbo to keep it around 90-92 on the cpu so smart shift is pretty cool i think im going to buy a G5 soon.
Dell G5 15 5500 2.5 hard drive installation Hello Community, Just bought a new Dell G5 15 5500 with only an M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive. According to the manual, it can support an M.2 and a 2.5 HD. When trying to install the 2.5, it does not fit. I have the smaller battery that does not cover the HD bay so that's not the problem. Has anyone been able to get a 2.5 HD installed in their system? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
I'm planning to buy this. Now, Is there any thermal heat problems ? And Suggest any best laptop for Mechanical Design and Analysis Software. And Video editing, rendering performance also.
It's on the hotter side compared to alternatives if you are smashing it with consistent heavy loads. That said it still runs fine and I haven't heard of these things dying due to heat.
anyone know I have the 60hz version of DELL G5 SE . If I buy the 144hz screen from ebay and replace it would that be compatible? considering will buy cable etc
Have you ever had a chance to see how the cooling system on msi alpha 15 with 4600 and rx5600m performs? considering it as an option to buy, but havent really found any reviews, your reply would be really helpful
I see dell pulled a 2012 XPS 15, that thing had horrible cooling and the updated bios just clocked down the graphics so it doesn’t heat up, but also downgraded the msata to sata 2 speed
main updates you should do are the Navi 10 firmware, GPU drivers and the BIOS V 1.4.4 . You can get adrenalin software from AMD's website, GPU firmware and system firmware from Dell website.
Would definitely prefer the lower temps. I rma'd my last laptop because it would constantly and frequently go over 105 degrees celsius and throttle to 500Mhz which resulted in 3 fps for 10 seconds. Its definitely better to get 2 fps less on avg.
@@zidanrafifpratama I reapplied the thermal paste with an MX-4 and still didnt solve the issue. It was an asus tuf model which they have blocked all the air intakes so it was ASUS' fault
@@atabg wait i see the mx4 just can do 8w.m/k right? The TF8 can do 13.8w.m/k but the thermal paste can hold it just 1 week if you have heavy load but still can hold the temprature
windows update started a storage error in my unit I guess, literally it consuming 100GB more than it supposed to. also, it literally eats up 50GB in front of eyes and as well frees the same space after some time. rn it's showing 379 GB used but true storage used in 276
Hi @Jarrod, I like your chanel and I bought a G5 5505 in december after seeing your review. I'm using it as a working station for BIM modeling. I'm using Infraworks to model some road infrastructures, bridges as well as other buildings and trees. I noticed that the cpu is often reaching +100°C when rendering even if I'm using a cooling table. Is this something you think I should tell the Dell support about that can damage the machine ? Thank you a lot.
I have seen a lot of people use ryzen controller on this laptop for better results. Though i really don't get how that works to increase performance ... At the most only the temps can be managed.
With a cooling pad and Ryzen controller it runs around 75-80°C. And for this price range it's the only best option available in India. We pay over 1100$ for this kind of a machine or we could go for the gtx 1650 or 1660ti for more money. Rtx is like 1400$ range.
I wanted to like this laptop so much. The Aesthetic is decent, the specs are good, the AMD CPU + GPU is a rare and potent mixture, and AMD GPU tech tends to age with grace like fine wine, compared to Nvidia.... But the thermals get in the way of this being one of the best laptops for the money. I ended up getting the Lenovo Legion 5 with the 4800h + 1660ti for $999, and couldn't be happier with the purchase.
Revisiting old products is such an important thing that reviewers need to focus on, since it's closer to what users will experience in the long run.
Thanks a lot!
True
Love the note in the CPU temperature graph: "Lower is better" 🤣
Just in case 😎
@MemeMan hey bro, do you want a scholarship?
@MemeMan but have you tried the acer nitro 5 2020
The battery lasts for less than 2 hours and goes up to 90 degrees celcious when you even just watch youtube on it
I shouldn't have just gotten a damn pc
WHY did I bother on portability sooo much?!?!
Gotta be consistent always. I like it.
I paid for the whole cpu, i'll use the whole cpu
This laptop is the only reasonably priced gaming laptop in India apart from the Tuf series and maybe the Helios 300
nobody cares about the curry nation
Dont buy Tuf, dont, they are of bad quality
Hp omen bhi acha laga mujhe
@@parthkumar5472 acha hai but still overpriced
@@sideswipe604 there's a 1660ti omen for 85k in flipkart
While Smartshift is a good idea in theory, I think the execution failed with this laptop. I own a Dell G5 SE and I've kinda figured out how Smartshift works.
The total shared power(115 W) goes through the CPU first, and then the GPU gets its share. For example, when under both CPU and GPU load, CPU Power readings will show 115 Watts and GPU Power will show 70 Watts. This means the CPU is using 45 W to boost its clocks and sends the remaining 70 to the GPU. But this doesn't work as intended because the 115 W cooks the CPU, at least it does to my 4800H. The GPU almost never sees full utilization because CPU starts throttling immediately. 4800H and 5600M are beasts on their own but they're ironically crippled by Smartshift.
Disabling CPU boost through power plans as many people on the Internet suggested actually fixes the bigger part of this problem. But I've experienced crashes on some games with the boost off, whereas I don't have them with the boost on. My guess is that disabling CPU boost confuses SmartShift and causes crashes. Disabling boost isn't a favorable solution anyway as you give up CPU performance. Let's take a look at GTA V as an example:
CPU Boost: On
Settings: High-ish
Average FPS: Around 100
Temps: 95-105°C CPU, 61°C GPU
CPU Boost: Off
Settings: High-ish
Average FPS: 85
Temps: 60°C CPU, 55-60°C GPU
CPU Boost: Off
Settings: Very High
Average FPS: 85
Temps: 80°C CPU, 80°C GPU
As you can see, especially between the second and third tests, the CPU temps differed significantly even if they were pretty much putting in the same amount of work. That's because in the third test GPU requested more power to keep up with higher settings and this extra power also went through the CPU first. Second test had 60-70 W CPU Power while third test had around 90 W and the increase was equal in GPU Power. This is the flaw of Smartshift in Dell G5 SE, CPU has to endure both its own and the GPU's power so it turns into an oven even on GPU heavy loads.
Hey man great input! Makes a lot of sense. I just got the 4600h model. So what do you propose for temps as low as possible WITH playable FPS, I don't care if 20% reduction happens in gaming performance
@@pritamlaskar My current setup is leaving everything as Dell intended with an agressive custom fan curve in Alienware Command Center, using it on a cooling pad. I use the latest Dell provided drivers with no other third-party software. As you probably noticed this isn't the most stable laptop and it's prone to crash even more if you tinker with it much. It might be just my bad luck but I remember getting crashes more often when I disabled CPU boost or when I capped FPS to get better thermals.
Your 4600h model will probably do better in gaming as there isn't much difference in gaming performance between 4600h and 4800h, but 4600h should need less power for itself and have more to spare for the GPU.
Create a new thermal profile in Alienware Command Center(AWCC) and set up an agressive fan curve for both the cpu fan and the system fan. Scan installed games with AWCC and assign them your new thermal profile. Your fans will work accordingly to your fan curve now and you'll eliminate the problem of passive fans. Keep AWCC minimized before launching games. Also, you can hit Fn+F7 to enable AWCC high performance mode which sets your power plan to high performance and runs your fans at constant max speed. It's loud and may shorten your fans' lifetime but better your fans than your CPU. I use this mode for demanding games.
If you're willing, you can use Ryzan Controller and set custom TDP values for your CPU. Keep in mind that the TDP that you set for your CPU will also be used by the GPU, so setting it to the default 45 TDP will be crippling. I'd suggest going around 90 TDP if you're going to use Ryzen Controller, but again we don't know how Smartshift operates and playing with these values is swimming in deep waters. For example, I didn't know at the time that CPU power would be shared with GPU and I was surprised at how awful the performance was with 45 TDP.
I’m trying to return mine to get an intel and nvidia laptop that smart shift just bottle necks my 5600m too much
You are awesome. I asked you yesterday and now there is a video that answers my question. Thank you 🤩🤩🤩
Thanks for the update, I've finally gotten off the fence and ordered one of these because of your updated review regarding the thermals. At $900 Canadian it seems like a decent deal and I probably won't have buyer's remorse now :)!
Same situation although haven’t bought one yet. Would you to report back once it arrives? Hope you will have lots of fun with it already!
Can you tell me where you found it for $900 CAD? Thanks! I found it for $1000 on sell (down from $1200)
Hows this laptop going bro we in india have this and 3050 dell g5 at same price
And i am confused between two
That t-shirt sure bring back memories 😭
So It is so weird when you upload an video exactly for what I was looking for (even though you said others asked you too). I watched your June video and the color and temps turned me away from this device. Still haven’t bought a laptop as I waited for the m1 chips. For some reasons I came back to this laptop (probably because of the price and the full amd setup). I also don’t find the color now that bad and heard about the rumors that the temperatures are now fixed. And now you made the video! Awesome!
This is good. however, I'd rather buy last year's model than buy this year's model, as this looks like a sandwich press
Unfortunately, this update is worthless. He's using old AMD drivers. 20.12.1 is much more powerful than whatever old driver he's using.
@@tytlyf that driver update only supports for the rx 6000 series and cbp2077.
@@tytlyf Dell G5 has different drivers line up more like drivers specifically for Dell G5
Your voice is therapeutic. Love your videos!
Hey Jarrod, I am a G315 2020 user which has the same design as the G515 . The main thing is that the hinges of both these laptops are really bad .The hinge is made up of cheap plastic and there have been hinge popping issues for these laptop users. The hinge breaking off issue happens usually in 6-12 months of purchase. This leads the user to get it replaced and it costs around 150-200$.So instead of the MRP, there is a price of 150-200$ per year of getting the hinge replaced our own pockets. So it is actually better to choose another laptop instead of this , as you spend 600 - 800$ for hinge replacements in its lifetime (Or buy a 300$ warranty).
Yikes
petition to add Cyberpunk 2077 to the testing games
@Jarrord'sTech make this happen
Perhaps because the game will be receiving performance updates for a long while, performance benchmarking could potentially be pretty different in a few months depending how much the updates can further optimize it. It is a very new game still atm
He explained at another video(in a comment) that the benchmarks until January are already made without that game so don't expect it until then
Would make more sense at a later date IMHO. Benchmark charts are always influenced by patches and drivers over time. But with the state the game is in, I suspect that benchmarks made with the current version will become irrelevant very fast.
I will start testing it next year, all videos up until CES were created before the game came out and I won't have new gaming laptops until after that time.
Interesting, not a bad trade. I usually limit the boost on my laptops to keep them cool and quiet anyway.
Yeah fair enough seems to be what a lot end up doing based on the comments.
But... Cyberpunk 2077...
So, its good but the Legion 5 is still better i assume?
Way better
I own the G5. Legion is better.
Infinitely better, yes, lol
The Legion and the OMEN
The Omen 15 is the best laptop you can get right now. Unless you don't want a webcam then the Asus
Briefly, they have tuned thermals which has led to a deteriorated performance in some games.
Nope.. I'm seeing better performance..
Idk the reason tho
Woaaa, you got me click right away! Thanks for this comparison!
No problem!
@@JarrodsTech Any chance you can review the new Dell G5 /G15, which had a refresh recently, perhaps you are still waiting on Dell to ship one out to you.
Reviewer -> with the RX5600M firmware in place we can now use Ryzen Controller (RyzenADJ) to thermally limit the CPU by telling the smartshift controller how much total power is allowed. Setting the Thermal limit will drop over all laptop/system performance but for some games (MMOs like WoW, ESO, GW2, and heavy CPU games) where the GPU is not hit hard (60% or so) This can lock the CPU at 85c-88c and maintain 4.125Ghz for the PPT period down to 3.6-2.8Ghz after. Be mindful that this will limit the power split between the CPU+GPU for games that heavily hit the GPU and cause the CPU to 'break' and drop clocks to 1.3ghz-2.1ghz while the GPU is under heavy loads (Cyberpunk2077 shows this beautifully). Currently there is no way to 'unload' Ryzen Controller without a reboot, so just make sure you do not auto start the application so you can 'unload' it when you want higher GPU usage. But its a nice way to control thermals when you want/need to.
The slight performance drop is definitely a preferable alternative to higher temps, though it is interesting how some games have seen a boost in fps and others have not. Maybe the Windows or drivers update also had something to do with it?
dont know if its all systems but mine was having siezures whenever i played games. turn off image sharpening as it messes with the newest drivers. found this out after 3 months and sending it away for repairs about a million times lol
Same issue. Did sell fix it for you?
This makes me optimistic for a 5800H + 6700M model this year. I hope they give a more premium unit a more upmarket look (that look would be fine for 5600H + 6500M) but this gives me another thing to be excited about at CES.
Is this laptop loud and does it get loud when u charge it
Mr Jarrod Can u please make a video on upgrading the Dell G5 SE ? Espicially the HDD upgrade!
Dutch user here! I bought a G3 for €999. (Stock G5 is €1150+ and AMD version NOT available)
Hoping to do 6+ years with it. (I don't run heavy games, stuff like War thunder mostly)
In my country the AMD versions of the legion 5 suck (1650 gtx only, atleast for now), intel ones are over €1150, and the HP omen is even more expensive at €1200+ for the gpu/cpu version I opted for.
An alternative would've been a TUF A15 with the same cpu but with an rtx 2060 for €50 more. However, I hated the oh so apparent looks, and well... It's an A15.
My G3 has the 10750h and gtx 1660ti. I'm happy with it, but what do other viewers think? Did I make a "mistake" not buying the Legion 5(i) or an Omen, which are both far more expensive? And why?
SIDENOTE: I am aware of the "problems" this series carry (in some cases) but I liked the "stealthy" design, card slots, performance and... Price, most importantly.
Got the laptop on sale nearly 40% off. It is coming by end of July. Looking forward
So, actually as hot as a knew G7, which also hits 99 tempr. right? It can broke in a year with such high tempreatures((
This video has convinced me to buy the MSI GF65. Thanks, appreciate the update.
Did you install the latest AMD/graphics drivers from Dell, or the AMD website? Did you use the specific version for this model or the generic latest driver package?
Cheers!
The Driver in the video is the same from Dell's site.
For me Dell's provided driver gives better performance, but it removes the AMD Adrenalin Software for me.
does it do that for you too?
@@JC_BOY Yeap
Thank you i bought it yesterday 💜
Do u recommend me buying it?
@@Diaahero555 hey i also have it! you should. if you really need a gaming pc but also dont have space for a desktop get this. it performs well and is fast in games and on browsers. although the battery life, as expected, is poor and if youre gaming always play in a cool room and stay plugged in :P
@@bitchwormpuddin1499 thank you bro, I bought before a month a asus laptop, anyways thanks for the comment:)
Considering buying one of these. Everything else in the same price range is running a 1650.
Thats an improvement tho but its still kinda hot XD does using ryzen controller make it more cooler?
If you take the mesh off the vents on the inside of the laptop it makes the performance better. I finally did it and dropped 20c when playing far cry 6. Just not sure how much dust is going to get into it now.
Great video Jarrod !
so should i buy this or not ? and this laptop survived next 3/4 years ? i am so confused 🤷♀️.
I ordered a G5 15 SE with Ryzen 9, 16GB RAM, 1TB HD. Not for games, but to edit video on. I should have it within a couple weeks. I'm not too worried about reports of an overly warm keyboard, I plan to use a USB keyboard and mouse with it.
This is fine but, I think they'll have to redo it next year, what was it called... the Legion 5 totally stole this year
Very good follow up on the G5 😆👍 I would prefer a few extra degrees and lil extra performance from the a newer update to the G5 to remove the reversed disparity currently see . Love your content 🥰🥰👍🇦🇺. Thanks JT, cheers 🍻
Fair enough! Cheers 👍
So, now where this laptop stands in your Ryzen 2020 laptop ranking?
Thanks for the updated review , cheers
I was just browsing on this issue..as I had to buy a laptop ## it's like you read my mind..thanks Jared...do I go for this or go for legion 5 with same CPU specs and gtx 1650 ti
Just joined a G5 SE community (reddit and discord) apparently the quality control department is asleep at the wheel! Lots of people doing upgrades or pulling apart to do repasted jobs and finding protective plastic still on one side of the thermal pads on the M.2! Then on the VRM's, we're seeing thermal adhesive on the back between pad/IHS which isn't optimal at 1.5W.m/k thermal transfer capabilities. Please check yours and report back.
We would love to see temperature and performance after *repasting* with a better thermal compound.
Same. I immediately liquid metal all my laptops and honestly haven't looked back. Yeah it's a little tedious as you have to reapply it down the line for it to be permanent with the crappy laptop heatspreaders but performance has only ever improved and noise levels always go down. Temps stay about the same but that's how modern laptops work.
@@LiveType Do you have any good guide for using liquid metal in laptop ?
@@MonsieurX12 There's a bunch on youtube. Main thing is to apply as little as possible as all problems I've seen stem from applying too much. Apply a small amount to a swab and spread it around until you get a layer of it evenly spread on the die and heatsink. It may take a bit of you have a super polished surface as the liquid metal won't initially adhere due to the high surface tension. If you get it on other things just use isopropyl alcohol and wipe it off. Nail polish/tape over the smds helps if you're sketched out and adds some extra peace of mind but I've legitimately never seen the nail polish actually be useful. After you've done one application do another in a few months as the liquid metal will react away with the copper turning into a silver copper-gallium alloy. Nothing to be concerned about just need to apply more. Thermal performance will technically drop slightly as the alloy is less conductive than pure copper but still an order of magnitude more conductive than thermal paste.
Also should've mentioned make sure the heatsink plate is solid copper. Scratch away a portion of the heatsink away from the center. It should remain copper colored. If it's silver after scratching away the copper that means the heatsink is aluminium and shouldn't be used with liquid metal.
@@LiveType thanks, i was kinda worried about the creation of intermetallics but if it stabilize after adding more metal it should be fine. I've ordered the Dell G5 and was worried about thermals so your comment reassure me quite a bit.
@@LiveType how much does the performance improve after liquid metal? how many FPS gains, multicore clock frequency increase, cinebench R20 score increase?
I'm thinking about buying this laptop but thermal issues are holding me back
Don't get it. I bought one. Get a different one depending on budget. Wait a few months for new 2021 laptops otherwise rn under 70k I'd say get IdeaPad gaming 3i with ryzen 4600h + 1650ti for 66k
@@pritamlaskar Atleast something equivalent to 1660ti
thank you JT!! one of my most anticipated videos in youtube because I owned a G5 SE too! 😇 could you tell me where did you get the latest radeon drivers? tnx :D
No problem!
Did you know if you turn off smartshift with a bios mod and set a 115W limit that the G5 Bios has you’ll get 2070 max q perf
Well I got the g5 SE highest spec version for 950$ so I'm happy with the value im getting for that price
Thanks for the video! 😃
So if anyone can help me , I am between this laptop and Lenovo Legion 5 5ARH05 (Ryzen 7-4800H/16GB/512GB/GeForce GTX 1650/FHD/W10,120hz) , what do you suggest? Lenovo has the 1650Ti not 1660 , in case you didnt see it. Thanks in advance
@jarrod'sTech would appreciate any comment !
I would go for the Dell, much better GPU and much better than the Lenovo 120 Hz screen (which has terrible color accuracy.
@@hellofesam2636 yeah I was thinking the same , do you think the 200bucks more to get the 144hz 1660Ti is worth it ?
@@lugia5491 It’s worth it since it can play all currently released games at Ultra/High for 1080p gaming. Also you’d be able to take advantage of the 144Hz screen on most games.
The graphics performance was less due to using old AMD radeon drivers. You should be using 20.12.1. Why do a refresh if you're still using old AMD drivers?
Bro, I've had so many problems with this laptop. The original didn't work properly. The replacement that got sent doesn't work properly either. Now it's hard for me to get another replacement. They keep saying it's out of policy. But like, I have a warranty and the complete care/ accidental damage service! Really!?
TBH, looking at your stress test result, seems they haven't fixed the leak yet, and they only limiting the TDP for GPU further to decrease the heat.
watching DELL G5 SE video in DELL G5 SE. chill out bois !!
Is Ideapad Gaming 3 with ryzen 7 4800h and GTX 1650 TI a good choice?
Been looking for laptops for weeks and watched Jarrod's vids for a whole day man :/
For anyone with the latest Gpu Driver from Dell's site (the one on the video), does installing the new driver, remove the amd adrenaline software for you, because for me it does.
Try manually maxing the fans. I’m fairly certain it doesn’t run the fans at maximum when stock.
From memory the speeds I got when gaming in G mode were the same as manually setting to max anyway, I'd have to double check the full review.
How do you max them to full manually?
@@JarrodsTech Hardware Canucks’ review shows the fans being manually being maxed and the laptop clocking higher and matching an RTX 2060 equipped laptop (idk which one).
In our country, Dell G5 SE and Lenovo Legion are both available but the Legion is with Ryzen 7 4800H with a 1650 GPU. Prices are similar though. What is more worthy?
My hopes are really high for next year laptops with AMD and Nvidia combination
So I wound up taking a risk and bought this. I got it for 700$ and it was the right price for the specs. I think the highest I've seen the cpu get is 88. The graphics card very rarely ever goes above 80. HOWEVER. You have to START with gmode / max fans *before* you open a game. some of the more cpu intensive games I've tried have almost instantly overheated. I haven't seen 90 degrees yet with the fans on. (And yes, it's loud. I almost always have to use a headset.) It is what is. You obviously get what you pay for with this but Its able to play games and I saved about 300$ from other options I was looking at, and that's good enough for me.
Plz tell the differences between 60hz and 120hz model.
In Australia, you don't get many options. It's either this or the TUF.
Can you undervolt it?
I dont think you can undervolt amd laptops
@@me-me3126 you can using ryzen controller
@@takemeasahydrationreminder662 no, that one only increase/decrease the thermal budget. while you can send voltage value through MSR, it is ignored.
afaik there's a mesage ID to change max voltage value in the SMU, but that only changes max voltage. ryzen mobile juggles its frequency depending on factors and afaik only uses P-state as some kind of reference point before increasing/decreasing current cpu voltage value.
Very timely video
So the thermals are good now right? And can be improved even further by using Ryzen controller.
In my country, most of the laptops in the same price range have the much weaker 1650Ti
So I was thinking about investing abit more and getting this laptop with a much better Gpu
Cyberbug 2077 chugs on laptops with 1650/Ti but this laptop handles it on high like a champ
Seems very future proof
Can you also update Asus tuf a15 ( 2060 + 4800H ) old updates vs new..
I reviewed your last video on taking care of a gaming laptop. For the G5 SE, does the laptop have optimus for external monitor? Also, is there a charge level limit to extend battery life? Thanks!
I’ve had my dell G5 SEE for about eight months now and at first I played games like Apex legends when it was new and then ran at very good frame rates in high settings. Due to college I couldn’t played FPS or Battle Royales for the last six months. I tried playing some rFortnite it’s struggling quite a bit even in medium settings at 30 fps with sudden frame drops. Idk if it’s slow due to programs or sum but any advice would be greatly appreciated
I feel very sad that I bought the 2019 G5, at least I managed to get the i5 9300H and GTX1650 version for only $1162AUD but I am running at 83-86C so •_•
I finally pulled the trigger, and got one. Dell has the 4900H/5600M on sale, so I jumped on it.
Can you give me your thoughts, on sale here in Australia so I've been thinking about it.
@@savp2293 someone saw me playing games on it this weekend, and couldn't believe the specs and game quality. Game I was playing was CoD:MW.
However, I have improved upon Dell's cooling solution, because it's a bit lackluster. Needs better paste, pads, and gap taped up between IHS fins and fans.
Needless to say they're going to wait until it goes on sale then they're going to buy one.
i prefer a more quiet system over a louder one. Did you gather any acustic data? Or can share how it felt? (Its subjective i know sorry :) )
I opened mine up and ripped out the bottom mesh covering the air vents. My laptop was hitting 90 degrees+ now it seems not to get past 75. Seems to run alooot cooler now. Can anyone else confirm this?
Hmm so which should be buy??
Definitely better with bios updates. At least palatable now.
Would love to see ultrabook reviews, I have a Lenovo S540 with 4600u at the moment, and just playing some old games. Nice laptop overall
Can i buy this laptop in 2021 august ? And as you say updating it can give better result in performance and thermals so what do you suggest should i buy it? And please leave the links to update the softwaresss
99.7 on the cpu is too high for me, i would feel uncomfortable gaming for long periods with that temp, 91 isnt too bad though i could probably game without worrying at that temp. i have an msi gs63vr right now and i have to turn off turbo to keep it around 90-92 on the cpu so smart shift is pretty cool i think im going to buy a G5 soon.
How about the battery run time?? Can you please update us on how is it after the updates?
Dell G5 15 5500 2.5 hard drive installation
Hello Community,
Just bought a new Dell G5 15 5500 with only an M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive. According to the manual, it can support an M.2 and a 2.5 HD. When trying to install the 2.5, it does not fit. I have the smaller battery that does not cover the HD bay so that's not the problem. Has anyone been able to get a 2.5 HD installed in their system? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Do something like this for msi gf65 thin 9sexr. I'd love your views on that.
I'm planning to buy this. Now, Is there any thermal heat problems ? And Suggest any best laptop for Mechanical Design and Analysis Software. And Video editing, rendering performance also.
It's on the hotter side compared to alternatives if you are smashing it with consistent heavy loads. That said it still runs fine and I haven't heard of these things dying due to heat.
anyone know I have the 60hz version of DELL G5 SE . If I buy the 144hz screen from ebay and replace it would that be compatible? considering will buy cable etc
Would repasting the cpu make the thermals better? Could you try that if you didn't return it
Thanks 👍🏻
No problem!
Hey Jarrod, did you upgraded the RAM from 8GB to 16GB? Or haven't?
Suggest me a good driver and bios system update where my laptop runs while gaming coz it shuts of within 10 minutes of game play
Have you ever had a chance to see how the cooling system on msi alpha 15 with 4600 and rx5600m performs? considering it as an option to buy, but havent really found any reviews, your reply would be really helpful
I see dell pulled a 2012 XPS 15, that thing had horrible cooling and the updated bios just clocked down the graphics so it doesn’t heat up, but also downgraded the msata to sata 2 speed
Just bought this today
Jarrod, can you let me know how you updated this? Is it through dell's support software and amd's adrenaline?
update both.check all driver
main updates you should do are the Navi 10 firmware, GPU drivers and the BIOS V 1.4.4 . You can get adrenalin software from AMD's website, GPU firmware and system firmware from Dell website.
@@ilhammohd3077 sure will, thanks
@@battlewing221 I'll check it out, thanks man
@@dilanthawijesinghe we have subreddit exclusive for G5 users, if you need more help you can come down there
Would definitely prefer the lower temps. I rma'd my last laptop because it would constantly and frequently go over 105 degrees celsius and throttle to 500Mhz which resulted in 3 fps for 10 seconds. Its definitely better to get 2 fps less on avg.
Change thermal paste i have been ther thermal right is best choose tf 8
@@zidanrafifpratama I reapplied the thermal paste with an MX-4 and still didnt solve the issue. It was an asus tuf model which they have blocked all the air intakes so it was ASUS' fault
@@atabg yup you are right i make more vent to the fan and it work holding the cpu to 75°c you can use manual CNC to do that
@@atabg wait i see the mx4 just can do 8w.m/k right? The TF8 can do 13.8w.m/k but the thermal paste can hold it just 1 week if you have heavy load but still can hold the temprature
@@zidanrafifpratama yeah i was either gonna sell or manual cnc and i went with selling it
windows update started a storage error in my unit I guess, literally it consuming 100GB more than it supposed to. also, it literally eats up 50GB in front of eyes and as well frees the same space after some time. rn it's showing 379 GB used but true storage used in 276
hello, how did you update the vbios? using the dell update app or with something else? thank you
you can also go to their support dell website.. updates are displayed over there.
It's available from the Dell support site or AMD site.
@@JarrodsTech thanks man, you always respond to my comments super fast!
@@JarrodsTech could you tell us the specific name for the radeon drivers? tnx, im so noob :(
Hi @Jarrod, I like your chanel and I bought a G5 5505 in december after seeing your review. I'm using it as a working station for BIM modeling. I'm using Infraworks to model some road infrastructures, bridges as well as other buildings and trees. I noticed that the cpu is often reaching +100°C when rendering even if I'm using a cooling table. Is this something you think I should tell the Dell support about that can damage the machine ? Thank you a lot.
I think thermals are a important factor in laptops and the new update reduces the temps hence overall better for the longevity of the system
I have seen a lot of people use ryzen controller on this laptop for better results. Though i really don't get how that works to increase performance ... At the most only the temps can be managed.
With a cooling pad and Ryzen controller it runs around 75-80°C. And for this price range it's the only best option available in India. We pay over 1100$ for this kind of a machine or we could go for the gtx 1650 or 1660ti for more money. Rtx is like 1400$ range.
How do you get a ryzen controller?
@@mattbroughton750 google
I think this laptop cannot get the air from bottom. So can you try a test removing bottom.
I did that in the full review video.
How to update bios of MSI GL65 10sek ...rtx 2060 and i7 10th gen.?
I would very much rather lose a few FPS in games then lose my legs because of a boiling hot laptop 😎
Use a table 😎
@@alphagamma1289 it’s in the living room so I wouldn’t be rage properly if I died 😎
@Heavy Potato hell yeah brother keep it cool 😎
is it just me or is ANY laptop really uncomfy to keep on your lap?😎
This comment section is 😎
Are these GPU temps GPU junction temperatures?
I wanted to like this laptop so much. The Aesthetic is decent, the specs are good, the AMD CPU + GPU is a rare and potent mixture, and AMD GPU tech tends to age with grace like fine wine, compared to Nvidia.... But the thermals get in the way of this being one of the best laptops for the money. I ended up getting the Lenovo Legion 5 with the 4800h + 1660ti for $999, and couldn't be happier with the purchase.
What is the difference at idles?
So this means the a 15 may have lowered the temperature?
How are results when ryzen controller is used?
never this quick before