Interesting conversation, you should add it to the route setting playlist. It’s a really nice kind of mind setting introduction to the elements I’m looking for in my own home routes. Thanks guys
Awesome suggestion! I didn’t realize it wasn’t part of our routesetting playlist. Glad you enjoyed it, we were nervous making a video of just us talking
Awesome video! That was a great analysis of how each factor of a problem comes together to estimate the difficulty. I'll be thinking about my new friend RICO when I set my next home route! Now I'd like to see a part two where you are actively applying and discussing RICO while setting a couple problems. Keep the videos coming!
Thanks so much for the encouragement and kind words! I’ll say editing can make anyone articulate. So happy to hear the positive response of us just talking about climbing
Thanks for your awesome videos! I really enjoy watching them and getting ideas for what to do on my home wall! It is frustrating how little content you can find like this online. You guys are great to watch and provide really helpful information for someone who doesn't know a whole lot about setting.
Thank you for watching!!! So happy to hear it helped, we intend to continue making content so if you know anyone else who might enjoy this content be sure to share!
Keep the videos coming I am enjoying them. I tied all the moves on the red V6 monday and thought it was really cool! Love the movement. I will have to come back Thursday and try to link it. Thanks!
I appreciate that you all are using the RIC scale, but the talk about linear complexity confused me quite a bit. One key element that I think you're missing is that the RIC scale is relative to the grade. Each value is 1-5, with 1 being less than average, 3 being average, and 5 being more than average, for the grade. An average problem of a given grade will have an RIC grade of 333 - average. A particularly Risky problem which is otherwise unremarkable would have a RIC grade of 433 or 533. Put simply, Risk can be seen as the mental challenge, Intensity the physical challenge, and Complexity the beta challenge. RIC is not used to assign an arbitrary grade, but rather to judge how appropriate the problem is for a given grade. If you tried to set a V4, but it's wayyyyy riskier than the other V4s in your gym, wayyyy more intense, and wayyyy more complex (i.e. you have a RIC grade of 555) then it's probably not a V4 - you need to re-frame it as a V5 or a V6, and ask the same questions again. Here's a great, simple summary from Plastick + a link to a podcast where Tonde talks about it. www.plastick.rocks/about-ric/ The O you've added for originality doesn't really seem to fit the RIC system. Originality is a great thing to measure of course, or be aware of, but it doesn't help us determine how appropriate a problem is for a given grade. In other words, you aren't saying "this problem is more or less original than average for the grade." helpful
Thanks for the hot take and the extra info to learn more! We were taught these concepts in a high level overview from our setting teacher and have been using it to inform our setting now for a few years but have not had a chance to learn more about the scale. Thanks for taking the time to explain it more!
@@VerticalSouth Anytime! I thought I knew how to use RIC for years but only really came to this understanding after we started using Plastick + KAYA in our gym. Highly recommended! Also, love your videos. You guys have a great crew, you always have fun, and you remember to wear your glasses.- love it!
@@VerticalSouth May not truly fit in with the RIC stuff, but O-riginality is a HUGE thing for setting and love that you added it and how you articulated it! And think it works for “more or less original than average”. Is the difference between a “wow” and a “meh” problem. This is probably the most informative setting vid on the interwebs. Thanks! (Up in GNV and now I wanna roadtrip over and try your gym!)
Interesting conversation, you should add it to the route setting playlist. It’s a really nice kind of mind setting introduction to the elements I’m looking for in my own home routes. Thanks guys
Awesome suggestion! I didn’t realize it wasn’t part of our routesetting playlist. Glad you enjoyed it, we were nervous making a video of just us talking
Awesome video! That was a great analysis of how each factor of a problem comes together to estimate the difficulty. I'll be thinking about my new friend RICO when I set my next home route! Now I'd like to see a part two where you are actively applying and discussing RICO while setting a couple problems. Keep the videos coming!
Thanks so much zac! We are slowly and subtly calling back to our previous episodes so you should be hearing about uncle Rico more frequently
Man!! I wish I was as articulate as you guys!! 😁 I freaking love these videos!! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much for the encouragement and kind words! I’ll say editing can make anyone articulate. So happy to hear the positive response of us just talking about climbing
@@VerticalSouth I'm starting setting so this is very beneficial for me. 😊
Thanks for your awesome videos! I really enjoy watching them and getting ideas for what to do on my home wall! It is frustrating how little content you can find like this online. You guys are great to watch and provide really helpful information for someone who doesn't know a whole lot about setting.
Thank you for watching!!! So happy to hear it helped, we intend to continue making content so if you know anyone else who might enjoy this content be sure to share!
Keep the videos coming I am enjoying them. I tied all the moves on the red V6 monday and thought it was really cool! Love the movement. I will have to come back Thursday and try to link it. Thanks!
Thanks so much Michael! Really glad you are about to send that red one! If you do, get a video we need a beta vid for the insta!
Post a vid of one of you completing the problem next time! Might help non brg climbers visualize with you.
Thank Spence for the suggestion! We definitely had this idea but didn’t have the footage on hand.
Hi john
What’s up Riot!!!
Grace and control. Trying to remember that. Not my forte…
I appreciate that you all are using the RIC scale, but the talk about linear complexity confused me quite a bit.
One key element that I think you're missing is that the RIC scale is relative to the grade. Each value is 1-5, with 1 being less than average, 3 being average, and 5 being more than average, for the grade. An average problem of a given grade will have an RIC grade of 333 - average. A particularly Risky problem which is otherwise unremarkable would have a RIC grade of 433 or 533.
Put simply, Risk can be seen as the mental challenge, Intensity the physical challenge, and Complexity the beta challenge.
RIC is not used to assign an arbitrary grade, but rather to judge how appropriate the problem is for a given grade. If you tried to set a V4, but it's wayyyyy riskier than the other V4s in your gym, wayyyy more intense, and wayyyy more complex (i.e. you have a RIC grade of 555) then it's probably not a V4 - you need to re-frame it as a V5 or a V6, and ask the same questions again.
Here's a great, simple summary from Plastick + a link to a podcast where Tonde talks about it.
www.plastick.rocks/about-ric/
The O you've added for originality doesn't really seem to fit the RIC system. Originality is a great thing to measure of course, or be aware of, but it doesn't help us determine how appropriate a problem is for a given grade. In other words, you aren't saying "this problem is more or less original than average for the grade."
helpful
Thanks for the hot take and the extra info to learn more! We were taught these concepts in a high level overview from our setting teacher and have been using it to inform our setting now for a few years but have not had a chance to learn more about the scale. Thanks for taking the time to explain it more!
@@VerticalSouth Anytime! I thought I knew how to use RIC for years but only really came to this understanding after we started using Plastick + KAYA in our gym. Highly recommended!
Also, love your videos. You guys have a great crew, you always have fun, and you remember to wear your glasses.- love it!
@@VerticalSouth May not truly fit in with the RIC stuff, but O-riginality is a HUGE thing for setting and love that you added it and how you articulated it! And think it works for “more or less original than average”. Is the difference between a “wow” and a “meh” problem. This is probably the most informative setting vid on the interwebs. Thanks! (Up in GNV and now I wanna roadtrip over and try your gym!)