As a Cherokee Native American, I fully support this. He was Choctaw native even if it was a small percent. As for the other men wearing the war paint, I have nothing but the highest respect. It truly brings my heart joy to see some of our ancient traditions carried on through the ages to strike fear into enemy hearts
To answer your question of cultural appropriation, McNeice was part Choctaw through his mother's line. Mixed bloods (as they are called in Oklahoma) are absolutely allowed to follow their tribe's heritage. My wife is also a mixed blood Muscogee (or Creek) and Choctaw with roots in Oklahoma along with being Anglo-American. She participates in many of her native customs as is her and others' rights.
Being accused of cultural appropriation is such a bummer. The best part of America IS its diversity and celebration of various cultures. As long as it's done in a respectful and tasteful manner, have at it.
I'm always curious why people place a negative connotation to the phrase "cultural appropriation" and don't just say "cultural inappropriation or misappropriation" if they think something is being represented poorly, instead of flattening the conversation and actually just misappropriating the etymological nature of the term.
@@chimchim2_it used to be why America was consider the “melting pot” all these different cultures from around the world interacted and their practices diffused with one another, now we seem to be reverting back to pro-segregation based on race and ethnicity
As a real Native American - Iroquois , The fact that these men were tough enough and respectful and felt the honor to identify with the Warrior culture. Nothing was done in disrespect but in an embrace of Bravery and Courage. Honor respects Honor!
interesting you claim "real native american" to a confederacy and not a tribe. 72% of most Americans have some native American blood in them to some extent from many of the Calvary raping's... most NDIC membership registrations of tribes are "real" native american, most of which are a 16th to quater blood today already residing on tribal lands. as most all my parents and grand parents were a quarter or an 8th cherokee, but my grand mother was half cherokee apachee and direct descendant to ShotPouch tribal chief. as most tribes run a congress today with an elected president and dont allow chieftain bloodkin to run for presidents. but you have to be a least 1/8th blood to be a member of the tribes. to be "a real native american"
The Fat Electrician has a great video on Jake, as well as many other stories. You should definitely check out some of his content! I've been a long time subscriber both on TH-cam and on Twitch. Love your content, and I hope you get to feeling better!
The fat electrician tells a great story, but it’s really awesome to see the footage and pictures in this. It’s just a different style, still a great video.
Oh I love the fat electrician videos and I'm very very well-versed with Jake McNeese and the filthy 13 even before his video but he tells the story beautifully... They also stole a commanding officer's Jeep when they were in Britain also and went out on the town.. they never got into trouble but who could do without them because they were really needed at a time like that. To The Barbary pirates was another of my favorite videos by TFE
My Dad is a WWII veteran, 98 years old, and plans to live to be 100. He told us that you could always tell who had seen action, and I asked how. Dad said, those who have seen action, typically don't talk about it, those who talk about it, typically haven't. Dad landed on D-Day, two days after his 18th birthday, hell on earth is how he described it. It took him decades before he talked about the war.
That's very true my father did two tours in Vietnam I never even knew until after he had passed away and the Army reached out. I asked my mom why didn't she at least tell me before he died and she said I didn't want you to ask him a bunch of questions because he does not like to talk about the things that he saw or possibly was made to do over there
Recently I did the equivalent of a smudging ceremony for a friend who is being chased by ghosts, he's a sergeant who lost men in Vietnam, and he is dying so I'm trying to ease his passing, so when he leaves this earth he won't become one more ghost
I knew Jake McNiece. I met him in 2007 and we spent a week at an event in Oklahoma. We met every year until his age prevented him from traveling. He was a very interesting and inspiring individual. We heard many stories from his WWII experience. The event was Oklahoma DDay. A now ended paintball event that lasted a week. It re-enacted dday. I miss talking with him.
Would have loved to have heard him tell it in person. My dive instructor was in the battle of the bulge and to this day I regret not recording his stories. Was my favorite part of my dive training
In the 1990s, while standing in line at a printshop, I met a D-Day Vet who was making copies of Gen Eisenhower's speech that their Commander read to them on their flight to Normandy. The Vet was a paratrooper and he was headed to a reunion of what was left of his group of men. I was fascinated by his story and thanked him profusely for his sacrifice and that of his brothers in arms. He gave me a copy of the speech but sadly it was lost in a move. I have always regretted losing it, but I'll never forget that Hero. I'm sure he is in Heaven now, with his Band of Brothers. May God bless and rest their souls, and may we always remember them and what they sacrificed for! Amen.
You NEED to watch "The Fat Electrician's version of this and all his other videos. They are much more well done, and Nic was in the US Army for a while.
I was happy to see my 2nd wife's grandfather in this video. John Windsor at 9:50. He jumped into Normandy survived Bastone. Volunteered for the paratroopers for the hazardous duty pay. Died of kidney failure in 1988.
And American paratroopers famously yell "Geronimo" before jumping. He was a tactical genius, outfought the much larger US forces again and again during the Indian wars.
13:41 the Airborne troops carried M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Thompson sub-machine guns for Normandy. Later jumps would see the Thompson replaced by the M3 " Grease " gun ( a cheaper stamped sub machine gun also in .45 ) Edit: Germans had K-98 bolt action 8mm rifles and MP-40 9mm sub machine guns. Edit#2: going to support all the other mentions, for more details about Jake watch Fat Electricians-Anti-Hero James " McNasty " McNeice video.
I would think a semi auto M1 Garand would sound greatly different than a K-98 bolt action 8mm. But what a great idea to ID positions in the middle of the night in unfamiliar area. Thanks
M1 carbine was a 30 carbine. The smallest round. My father was 11th Airborne in the Pacific. I shot his many times. A big difference in sound and recoil from the others.
A story from my grandfather in WW2 you might enjoy. My grandfather was a sniper in WW2 and a member of the Yorkshire regiment. Throughout the war he was used to working behind enemy lines. Towards the end of the war he was stationed in Italy. He was gathered on base and volunteered to drive over the alps to pick up an officer and bring him back to Italy. He ended up fighting his way back and ditched the original vehicle. Him and the officer stole a car and continued back to Italy. When he got back the soldiers were gathered to be addressed. The officer he picked up stood at the front of the soldiers and asked if anybody wanted to learn to drive and get their driving licence for when they returned back home. He stepped forward, stood to attention and popped his hand up in the air. The officer looked at him and said something along the lines of "didn't you pick me up and drive us back?". His response was yes sir. The officer gave him his driving licence there and then. A 50 year friendship was born that day. I'm not gonna lie, I have been in a car with my grandad and F*** me you can tell he never had a driving lesson in his life.
I'm an enrolled member of the Oglala Lakota Nation, grew up in the Pine Ridge Reservation. Not all nations/tribes/bands use face paint, just like not all use war bonnets or use tipis. While many of our nations share similarities, many of us have different language groups, different cultures, etc. Our nations - from North America to the Caribbeans, to Mesoamerica and South America - are as diverse as the European and Asian and African nations. It does feel good to see people recognizing fellow Natives in media because a lot of people who didn't grow up around us act like we went extinct.
There's a WW2 vet here in my town, that was 82nd Airborne on D Day. I've spoken with him a couple times...still a sporty active old man. He was a forward scout for the invasion. Dropped his unit far behind German lines, and they pushed up to relay defensive position for shore bombardments. Linked up with the main force afterwards, and pushed in to liberate Europe. Guy is stacked in medals
I've been watching your videos for awhile now. Gotta say it's a breath of fresh air being able to watch and learn about history and other things without having so much info coming at you the whole video. Your able to nonchalantly educate and make it easy and fun to enjoy while simultaneously learning new things yourself. Happy new year and best of wishes!
My Dad was with the 82nd during WWII so I know that the paratroopers all carried what they called a "cricket" to be able to identify themselves to other troopers. The crickets were small tin gizmos that when mashed & released made a distinctive clicking sound. In the chaotic aftermath of the D-day jump when troopers were scattered miles off target & separated from their companies in the dark, having one became more a matter of life & death than having managed to make the jump with your weapon. The rule was simple. When you heard or saw someone you clicked & if they didn't click back, it was an enemy not a friendly so you killed or avoided them if you could. This is how men managed to find other troopers & form themselves into groups to carry on. There was little to no trying to find the company you belonged to. You just carried on with whatever guys you could find. According to my father that jump was a massive disaster. What saved it was the determination of the men involved & the fact that as a new division they'd all received exactly the same training, from the same instructors on the same bases, so fighting with men they'd never seen before wasn't the problem it might have been for other soldiers in a similar situation.
My dad, too, was 82nd then. He and the few other guys they found fought for awhile, but then their Colonel surrendered and they were taken to prisons in Poland. My dad had survivors’ guilt the rest of his life and never forgave that Colonel, but I was grateful to him because my dad lived.
my grand father was in the infantry and was at battle of the bulge. Unfortunately we never talked about his time in the war. I was watching band of brothers and in the scene when pattons troops show up my uncle told me my grand dad was with pattons push in. Its possible our relatives crossed paths.
They also carried an empty M1 grand clip would gently toss it against the steel of the M1 Grands creating the impression that they were out of ammo and reloading and when the enemy would rush them after hearing that they would be unsuspecting of them still having rifles still full of ammo... My great grandfather was an infantryman and that's something he told me they would do often
My Grandfather was in the unit called Devil's Marauders which was the first joint (Canadian and American) Special Forces unit. He had so pretty scary stories and helped guide me into Canadian Special Forces then American Green Berets. Yes I am that idiot that has been through two Q courses and all I can say is, if you are the type to be able to pass one of them, you will pass any of them (barring any injuries of course).
My grandpa was in WW2 and he wouldn't talk about what happened. Turns out he wasn't allowed to talk about it. We haven't been able to get his records sent to us, they say they are sealed and no chance if them being unsealed anytime soon. All we do know is he was one of the few dropped behind enemy lines and was one of the first to arrive at quite a few concentration camps.
I don't know for certain because the details are unknown to me but like you my grandfather was dropped behind enemy lines early in the war and was captured he was a pow for three and a half years. He never really spoke about it until much later several years before he died. He had a magazine it showed pictures of the men and the conditions they were actually in while being in and recently released from POW camps. I remember him saying look here honey you could probably play the xylophone on this man's ribs That's how little we were fed. The few other stories he told me I will not repeat as they are brutally cruel and chilling to the Bone what these men went through being questioned. My grandfather survived but as he said I'm no hero that he was the ones who died for you for me for all of us.
My grandpa was a paratrooper for the 101st. He also would never talk about his time over there. I think it was more of the loss of too many buddies and not wanting to glorify the hell he went through. I can appreciate that but I still wish I could've heard more of his story before he passed...
My dad was in Japan after the bombs.he never talked about it other than that's how he started smoking during guard duty.he then worked for NSA aka no such agency.he could never t as lk about work.everything had a 25 or more year hold on releasing information.
i’ve watched your channel grow over the past few years and you’re doing amazing man, keep up the work you’ve made something that has an impact on people in a good way
Various Native American tribes used face paint for a variety of purposes, and it was not always related to war. Face paint was often used in rituals, ceremonies, and spiritual practices to symbolize different aspects of their culture, beliefs, and traditions. Paint was power; spiritual power & physical power. And the act of body painting was a sacred act, like a prayer to the creator or to nature to unify strength and spirit, hopes and visions. It was a prayer for survival too, in battle, in hunting, for the well-being of family members, or the tribe. Sometimes painting honored the dead or the brave, gave thanks, or celebrated personal, family or tribal milestones. Native Americans commonly viewed face painting not only as an act of social distinction and cultural heritage, but as a significant aspect in cultural and spiritual ceremonies and rituals. Ceremonial paint was also used to hide ones identity, as well as to obtain power from the creature or spirit represented.
Really dislike when anything is brushed off as pagan. Even beyond all cultures that use any ceremonial body art or clothing I'm pretty sure face paint is used by soldiers today for camouflage. Gorilla warfare. It breaks up the face so soldiers aren't bullseyes
I’m a American but I enjoy your channel. You guys are very entertaining and seem to be down right good people. God bless America and the United kingdom
And BTW, just stumbled across your channel for the first time and immediately subscribed. It's refreshing to hear from a Royal Marine veteran, obviously a Brit through and through, yet also having the perspective of having lived here in the States and being married to a Yank. Because a lot of British guys tend to be pretty clueless about the USA and we Americans in general. Also, I traveled through a great deal of England and Scotland about 15 years ago and I'm trying to place your accent. Regionally I mean. Doesn't sound South of England to me. Midlands perhaps? IDK, I found that travelling from London, working my way up to Edinburgh, I found people were easier and easier to understand the further north I went. People down south, I was constantly asking them to repeat themselves.
Thanks for the sub! Im from Manchester, however after joining the Royal Marines at 16 and being based all over the country, followed by living in the US for 9 years I think my accent is a bit all over the place haha! Mostly Manchester though!
Shout out from Ponca! Mr. McNiece is a legend around here. He was my grandparent's mailman for quite awhile. I don't remember much, but I do remember that he was always honored at our local veteran's day parade, which for a small town is it pretty impressive event. 3:23
I had the absolute pleasure of meeting several men during 82nd Airborne days who had jumped on D-day, Sicily and Market Garden. They were the most humble and down to earth men you could ever meet.
Warriors are respected by the local tribal. Most tribes have a huge percentage of veterans on the rolls. What it takes to claim tribal membership is matrilocal so McNeese was a full member of the tribe.
My father painted his face before a major battle in the Vietnam War. In the jungle the Americans came up with this very loud whistle and he taught me. Than I taught all my friends. It was so cool!
When I joined the Army I asked my grandfather about d-day, he said he "was told to go to England, they didnt say where they were going after that but the night before they were all give a pass "to go out on the town, have a drink, meet the ladys and do what you gotta do. the next morning we were on a boat to Normandy, and once the ramp dropped on the boat..... yea..." and he trailed off and changed the subject. I did no press the question.
You ought to look up the Code Talkers in WWII. Germany was decoding the codes they used to keep the American military movements secret. American Indians were recruited and they used their native language to radio information to others military camps. The Germans never could decipher their messages. It's quite interesting. They were so valuable to the military that each Indian man had men to stay with them and protect them with their life if necessary.
I am onida iroqouis. He did everything a warrior leader I spires others around him. War paint is totally justified. He is chockta. Being a qouter native he's native.
Every unit has a couple of Tasmanian devils. When I was in the USMC infantry, we had a few and every time I looked at them, I would think, "Thank God they are on my team." These weren't just hard chargers. They were men that would eat your face off while you still breathe and would like it. They became animals out of fight and it was something to behold.
The fat electrician has many more of the stories about McNiece in his video. He really gets into exactly how much trouble he was getting into and how it was obvious that he was what was needed.
TheFatElectrician did a video on Jake McNasty and his whole life, including interviews with him years later. He describes him as the best example of a real life Anti-Hero. Fantastic video.
As for "cultural appropriation" complaints, one will often find it's more an initiative of political groups other than the culture itself (more specifically the Native American culture in this case). Some Native Americans [IE Native American Guardian’s Association] objected, for example, to the type of cancel culture that resulted in the Washington Red Skins changing their name to the Washington Commanders.
Trust me, my Brit bro thier are many just like this man . We play to win ,take no prisoners and I have American Indian blood in me ...I know what the Indians felt of their blood .We take the honor of fighting for what is right.God bless
He's half native so it's good. There are 4 types of Native Americans. 1. Full blooded, these are RARE and all but extinct. 2. Mixed but still card carrying tribal member. This is what I am and it's still pretty rare, but common compared to full blooded. 3. Mixed but at some point they left the tribe to try to hide they were native at some point in their family's history. These are pretty common in certain areas. 4. Those who heard that their great great uncle was the Chief of Cherokee and they think was on the Trail of Tears. There are millions of these. They think every native gets casino money and always ask "what would I get if I proved I was Native American?" That being said it's pretty rare the cultural appropriation gets called on Native American culture, one because it's such as small group nobody things about them but also it would be like telling a white kid he's appropriating Japanese culture by dressing up like a ninja or samurai. It's mostly seen as respecting the culture, not appropriating it.
The troopers may have been using Thompson sub machineguns, in .45 ACP, the M3A1 "Grease Gun" in .45 ACP, or the M1A1 Carbine in .30 Cal. carbine, a collapsible stock, select fire M1Carbine. They also were likely armed with Colt 1911 .45 ACP pistols and personal knives like the trench knife with incorporated brass knuckles or the Sykes-Fairbairn Commando dagger or a variation.
I have a book suggestion; “Sergeant reckless America’s war horse” It’s amazing! This horse was one of the guys. drink beer and party with them. On its own. What evacuate wounded soldiers and bring back ammunition while under constant fire.
I don't care where you are from the US or any other country if you have defended humanity you are the most important person of humanity no matter what country you are from but you say you are not one of them but you are if you served in the military in no matter what country you are from just know I appreciate you because you gave your life to defend humanity against the darkness that was trying to start in the world I salute you and praise you for your service in defending humanity in any war that has ever been to all soldiers far and wide thank you for your service no matter what country you are from you're brave and courageous serving your country for the greater of humanity and I have have heritage in England,Ireland and in the Cherokee nation that I'm am proud of
It’s called cultural appreciation. You don’t need to have it in your blood to appreciate another culture and there is nothing wrong with it… As Elon says, wokness is a mind virus.
Americans at the time appreciated everything anybody did on their behalf. In this case, they're Americans, Americans'first, inidans second!! Wind talkers were Navajos, and it's their language that nobody else knows how to talk. That's saved our backside, Indians are very special in America. And no one else in the World that that has Or even in the past history has ever had,anybody think like an American Indian? Heaven help you if you ever have to battle one!!!God Blessed America, God Bless American Patriots/ Citizens May We All Stand Strong Together Always!!
This is why I skyways showed great respect to the old men when I grew up.. I’m 60 now.. my grandfather’s.. both were in ww2. One was in German theater, the other was in pacific theater… they never talked about it to me.. other than very briefly. And one of them was hit with shrapnel on his rear end.. but I always knew those old guys, no matter who they were and what they were like as men after the war.. neatly all in that certain age group, we’re in the war one way or another..and they deserved all the respect
My grandfather was a para in WW2. got stuck on a bell tower for twenty hours. Made him deaf fully in one ear and half in the other. Had his foot shot off by a German solider who was confused but let him live. Half of his foot was amputated.
As a Native American I can say that he has a right to that face paint and that attitude as he does have Native American blood. the face paint, the attitude, it's all part of the rituals that are very important to the Native American culture
They painted their faces because the paint on a plane was wet. It was a spur of the moment act, the fat electrician does a great documentary on this guy
We, non-indigenous Americans have always had some sport Native American paint when going to battle. Reason for this is they were among the best warriors we fought. Their fighting style can still be seen in our armed forces, especially in our special forces.
I personally don’t bye into cultural appropriation, but whatever mind set you need to get into so that you could survive D-Day and protect your brothers. I don’t care if they painted their faces, black, red, white, blue, orange or purple..
I’ve worked with US Special Forces and British ones and they are kind of like my Belgian Malinois. They are great when they have a meaningful job, but don’t let them get bored because they are not good at that. I guess that is why they have found the Malinois to fit right in with these type of units. Hearing how even in WWII getting in trouble in garrison was not surprising. On another note, my most meaningful TDY when I was in the USAF was going to Normandy for the 60th Anniversary and reenactment of DDay. We stayed right on Utah Beach in a tent with the 82d and 101st. We actually flew C-130s from RAF Mildenhall to France. It was amazing.
My grandpa was an Army Colonel during WWII. He was at Normandy and the Battle of the Bulge and numerous other fights liberating cities all over France. He never talked about any of it. It's crazy sometimes to think he was there in the sa.e battles as guys like this.
I'm Muskogee Indian and I have absolutely no problem with people wearing war paint. I think it's more flattering than anything that others would want to wear war paint.
Thank you for saying this! "Cultural appropriation" is such a stupid term and idea. This land has become such a melting pot of many cultures and peoples, we need to preserve every inch of it and celebrate it and take all the best parts of each one to leverage it into the greatest place on the planet. Sure we have problems but I don't see people clamoring to go anywhere else. They all know we're the best.
My dad was a squad leader in Vietnam. He and the rest of his group were 101st Airborne Rangers, demo experts, and tunnel rats. The groups mission was to run through the jungle wreaking havoc everywhere they went. To add to their image, they all shaved their hair into mohawks, painted their faces, and hung rat skulls around their necks. This went on for some time until the platoon his group was a part of got a new Lt who changed how the men had been getting their work done. Shortly after that new Lt came along, he led them all into an ambush he was warned would be waiting if they continued going the way he ordered them to. Over half the platoon was killed or injured. My dad was shot multiple times and barely made it back to the med evac choppers. He never really talked about what he and his men did, but I found all of his field notes he had copied and sent back home without permission. After reading his notes, I have a different respect for him and how he raised my two brothers and I. He passed away a couple of years ago from dementia and the effects of Agent Orange.
Do think the video: The Fat Electrician, did about McNasty gives more detail and a little more backstory But this one with some more footage material is not bad also
My father spent 21 years in the Air Force. He would tell me stories of his time in the AF, especially before I was born. I really wish that I had recorded his stories. He passed away this past Oct from cancer.
There was a movie inspired by these guys called The Dirty Dozen, and among others, it starred Ernest Borgnine, Charles Bronson, and a young Donald Sutherland.
as a native i think its awesome. he was native so there is no appropriation lol. Those that get mad at that are just weak minded and selfish. great video keep it up
There was an American movie made of this called The Dirty Dozen. It’s an older movie, so you can’t expect it to be to today’s standard of movie realistically. My favorite war movie is Hacksaw Ridge, based on a true story, have you seen it? Highly recommend it.
The D-Day cricket was a signaling device used by the 101st Airborne Division on D-Day to identify fellow paratroopers and request identification. A spring steel blade made a "click-clack" sound when pressed. Paratroopers would click the cricket to communicate with each other in the dark and without alerting the enemy. If a paratrooper saw movement and clicked, but didn't receive a click back, they would shoot the target. --- World War II paratroopers used a variety of weapons, including: Americans: M-1 Garand rifle: The standard rifle used by most paratroopers. Thompson sub-machine gun: Also known as the "Tommy Gun". Colt .45 automatic pistol: A common sidearm for paratroopers. M-1918 trench knife: A modified version of the trench knife was used by paratroopers. U.S. Mk 2 “pineapple” fragmentation hand grenade: A common weapon used by paratroopers. M3 grease gun: First used by paratroopers of the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions during the invasion of Normandy. Also, the M1A1 Carbine, a rifle designed in 1941 to be a replacement for the Colt M1911 Pistol and the M1 Garand rifle. Though criticized for its stopping power at close and long range, the M1A1 Carbine was manufactured by the millions by the end of World War II. Germans: FG 42: A selective-fire automatic rifle developed for the Fallschirmjäger airborne infantry in Nazi Germany. Karabiner 98k rifle: The standard rifle used by Fallschirmjäger riflemen. P38 or P08 Luger: A pistol used by Fallschirmjäger riflemen. MP-40: A weapon that paratroopers could parachute into the field with. (the MP-40 is the 'rounder looking automatic -- which was a 9mm.
Being part Cherokee his actions don't bother me, one story from WW2 I heard of was a British soldier who carried a Scottish broadsword into combat.Airborne troops in WW2 mostly carried a M1 Thompson, Johnson lmg, M1 carbine
Mad Jack Churchill. He also carried an English Longbow and a set of bagpipes into Normandy. He actually eliminated a German with said bow, and is believed to be the last person to use such a weapon in modern times. There's actually a photo of him making landfall with his troops at Normandy, that shows him holding the unsheathed sword as he moved up the beach. It was said he was furious upon hearing of the atomic bombings in Japan. Not because he thought the bombings to be inhuman or unethical, but because it ended the war before he could get boots on ground in the Pacific Theater.
At the video time 17:11 you can see how skinny the blade was on that knife. In my time in the Army we were told it was skinny so that it could pass through the average size of the Foramen Magnum, the hole at the base of the skull through which the spinal cord passes, effectively enabling a soldier to "Scramble" an enemy soldiers brain.
There's a long interview with McNiecehere on YT. The fast electrician has more biographical info on him. He worked in the postoffice. That film of them with their Mohawks was seen all over the US. There was a movie made that was very loosely based on his group called "The Dirty Dozen."
Think of those odd, 700 to 40!! The Almo was 183 to 10,000s of Thousands!! Americans do their best job when the odds are our favor!!!God Blessed America, God Bless American Patriots/ Citizens May We All Stand Strong Together Always!!!
They carried a collapsible 9mm submachine gun, collapsing stock 9mm carbine and the WWI Trench gun, Thompson .45 submachine gun plus their .45 sidearms
William Ewart Fairbairn and Eric Anthony Sykes made quite the “tool” indeed. I happen to edc a Boker mini smatchet based on the design along with a Gerber full sized folder version of that “tool”
My father in law was in gliders on dday. He survived. He had as many bad days from drinking and fighting and still got an honorable discharge. I was going to give my wife a set of his decorations but he had so many I couldn’t afford it. He had foraguragers (sp)from 3 countries and much more.
My father's D-Day story was of stepping off his landing barge, onto Utah Beach, walking upright, with dry feet and marching inland to start laying telephone lines.
My grandma, who was full blooded Cherokee, she was 100% okay with it. Also, her husband was in WW2 and was a BAR operator that saw action in Europe and Japan fronts. I barely heard stories growing up, but did hear of this group and my grandma would always smile when saying things about them. So I would have to say, they were okay with it.
I'm half Native American (Santee Dakota & Chippewa). I served 33 years in the US Army Infantry. In my first fire fight in Operation Just Cause (Panama). I used the green face paint in the same manner they did. I would go on to serve in Afghanistan 3 times. I was raised in my culture as my Mother was a medicine woman. Our family are traditionalist and have faith in our ceremonies to honor the Creator. I have never ever feared death while fighting, in fact I welcomed it, but it never came during my 3 decades plus of service.
“We’re paratroopers, we’re supposed to be surrounded”-Dick Winters. When I went through Airborne School at Ft Benning in 1985, many of us did the Mohawk haircut.
I am Shawnee, wood clan. My grandfather always claimed service within the fifthly 13. He was 7' 5" and built like a mountain and an absolute monster even into his 70s. I am unable to confirm besides him being a corporal retired and having a few pictures from France. I was to young to appreciate his life and culture before he pasted. He definitely had a Mohawk and face paint in several pictures and afterwards it was considered an honor for your bothers to do the same. If your doing it to make fun, Halloween or mocked this is where the limited is reached with our tolerance of cultural appropriation.
My grandpa was in the regular army and some of the paratroopers got stuck with his unit. All he would say was that “those guys were nuts.” He told me a story of one of them shooting a sausage with his .45 in the chow line.
As a Cherokee Native American, I fully support this. He was Choctaw native even if it was a small percent. As for the other men wearing the war paint, I have nothing but the highest respect. It truly brings my heart joy to see some of our ancient traditions carried on through the ages to strike fear into enemy hearts
As a native American we don't care as long as you fight for what's right and defend the innocent..
Except for the Comanche
To answer your question of cultural appropriation, McNeice was part Choctaw through his mother's line. Mixed bloods (as they are called in Oklahoma) are absolutely allowed to follow their tribe's heritage. My wife is also a mixed blood Muscogee (or Creek) and Choctaw with roots in Oklahoma along with being Anglo-American. She participates in many of her native customs as is her and others' rights.
My mother is Oglala Lakota. I grew up in Pine Ridge and enlisted as soon as I was able to. I'm still enrolled but I haven't been back home in a while.
the so-called "war-paint" wasn't Choctaw specific, it was just paint on faces, with non-choctaw Mohawks...
more mockery than honoring of anything.
Being accused of cultural appropriation is such a bummer. The best part of America IS its diversity and celebration of various cultures. As long as it's done in a respectful and tasteful manner, have at it.
I'm always curious why people place a negative connotation to the phrase "cultural appropriation" and don't just say "cultural inappropriation or misappropriation" if they think something is being represented poorly, instead of flattening the conversation and actually just misappropriating the etymological nature of the term.
@@chimchim2_it used to be why America was consider the “melting pot” all these different cultures from around the world interacted and their practices diffused with one another, now we seem to be reverting back to pro-segregation based on race and ethnicity
As a real Native American - Iroquois , The fact that these men were tough enough and respectful and felt the honor to identify with the Warrior culture. Nothing was done in disrespect but in an embrace of Bravery and Courage. Honor respects Honor!
As a member of the ojibwe, I second this!
Thank you for such a realistic and intelligent comment. Those of the warrior culture, friend, or foe, respect each other as warriors.
This Mescalero Apache agrees.
interesting you claim "real native american" to a confederacy and not a tribe. 72% of most Americans have some native American blood in them to some extent from many of the Calvary raping's... most NDIC membership registrations of tribes are "real" native american, most of which are a 16th to quater blood today already residing on tribal lands. as most all my parents and grand parents were a quarter or an 8th cherokee, but my grand mother was half cherokee apachee and direct descendant to ShotPouch tribal chief. as most tribes run a congress today with an elected president and dont allow chieftain bloodkin to run for presidents. but you have to be a least 1/8th blood to be a member of the tribes. to be "a real native american"
malo mori quam fedori... death before dishonor
His mom was 1/2 native, im proud to know he honored her and all of us with native blood.
The Fat Electrician has a great video on Jake, as well as many other stories. You should definitely check out some of his content! I've been a long time subscriber both on TH-cam and on Twitch. Love your content, and I hope you get to feeling better!
I think the fat electrician tells the story better. Besides him being funny, there were more details.
@@donaldmccombs5566 It’s not even close. Nick has a gift for teaching history. For sure the history teacher I wish I had in school.
The fat electrician tells a great story, but it’s really awesome to see the footage and pictures in this. It’s just a different style, still a great video.
Nick is at this time actually getting his degree. i think in history@@lanejohnson7656
Oh I love the fat electrician videos and I'm very very well-versed with Jake McNeese and the filthy 13 even before his video but he tells the story beautifully... They also stole a commanding officer's Jeep when they were in Britain also and went out on the town.. they never got into trouble but who could do without them because they were really needed at a time like that. To
The Barbary pirates was another of my favorite videos by TFE
My Dad is a WWII veteran, 98 years old, and plans to live to be 100. He told us that you could always tell who had seen action, and I asked how. Dad said, those who have seen action, typically don't talk about it, those who talk about it, typically haven't. Dad landed on D-Day, two days after his 18th birthday, hell on earth is how he described it. It took him decades before he talked about the war.
That's very true my father did two tours in Vietnam I never even knew until after he had passed away and the Army reached out. I asked my mom why didn't she at least tell me before he died and she said I didn't want you to ask him a bunch of questions because he does not like to talk about the things that he saw or possibly was made to do over there
Recently I did the equivalent of a smudging ceremony for a friend who is being chased by ghosts, he's a sergeant who lost men in Vietnam, and he is dying so I'm trying to ease his passing, so when he leaves this earth he won't become one more ghost
@@mojomak3803 That's beautiful, he's lucky to have you as his friend.
@@sillililli01 I'm just trying to do what I can for a friend
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I knew Jake McNiece. I met him in 2007 and we spent a week at an event in Oklahoma. We met every year until his age prevented him from traveling. He was a very interesting and inspiring individual. We heard many stories from his WWII experience. The event was Oklahoma DDay. A now ended paintball event that lasted a week. It re-enacted dday. I miss talking with him.
In the picture he is wearing our “Oklahoma DDay 2009”.
I met him at OK D-Day as well.
Oklahoma is the real native America
Would have loved to have heard him tell it in person.
My dive instructor was in the battle of the bulge and to this day I regret not recording his stories. Was my favorite part of my dive training
In the 1990s, while standing in line at a printshop, I met a D-Day Vet who was making copies of Gen Eisenhower's speech that their Commander read to them on their flight to Normandy. The Vet was a paratrooper and he was headed to a reunion of what was left of his group of men. I was fascinated by his story and thanked him profusely for his sacrifice and that of his brothers in arms. He gave me a copy of the speech but sadly it was lost in a move. I have always regretted losing it, but I'll never forget that Hero. I'm sure he is in Heaven now, with his Band of Brothers. May God bless and rest their souls, and may we always remember them and what they sacrificed for! Amen.
As an American and part native American, you do what you need to do to get through combat.
You NEED to watch "The Fat Electrician's version of this and all his other videos. They are much more well done, and Nic was in the US Army for a while.
Being Cherokee I can say it makes me proud he chose to show his heritage.
I was happy to see my 2nd wife's grandfather in this video.
John Windsor at 9:50. He jumped into Normandy survived Bastone. Volunteered for the paratroopers for the hazardous duty pay. Died of kidney failure in 1988.
And American paratroopers famously yell "Geronimo" before jumping. He was a tactical genius, outfought the much larger US forces again and again during the Indian wars.
13:41 the Airborne troops carried M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Thompson sub-machine guns for Normandy. Later jumps would see the Thompson replaced by the M3 " Grease " gun ( a cheaper stamped sub machine gun also in .45 )
Edit: Germans had K-98 bolt action 8mm rifles and MP-40 9mm sub machine guns.
Edit#2: going to support all the other mentions, for more details about Jake watch Fat Electricians-Anti-Hero James " McNasty " McNeice video.
I would think a semi auto M1 Garand would sound greatly different than a K-98 bolt action 8mm. But what a great idea to ID positions in the middle of the night in unfamiliar area. Thanks
M1 carbine was a 30 carbine. The smallest round. My father was 11th Airborne in the Pacific. I shot his many times. A big difference in sound and recoil from the others.
To see what the native Americans thought about the war, look into the Navajo code talkers.
A lot of Americans are part native like he was, even today.
Lots of Fake Cherokees
A story from my grandfather in WW2 you might enjoy.
My grandfather was a sniper in WW2 and a member of the Yorkshire regiment. Throughout the war he was used to working behind enemy lines. Towards the end of the war he was stationed in Italy. He was gathered on base and volunteered to drive over the alps to pick up an officer and bring him back to Italy. He ended up fighting his way back and ditched the original vehicle. Him and the officer stole a car and continued back to Italy. When he got back the soldiers were gathered to be addressed. The officer he picked up stood at the front of the soldiers and asked if anybody wanted to learn to drive and get their driving licence for when they returned back home. He stepped forward, stood to attention and popped his hand up in the air. The officer looked at him and said something along the lines of "didn't you pick me up and drive us back?". His response was yes sir. The officer gave him his driving licence there and then. A 50 year friendship was born that day. I'm not gonna lie, I have been in a car with my grandad and F*** me you can tell he never had a driving lesson in his life.
My uncle was a sniper World War II also
I'm an enrolled member of the Oglala Lakota Nation, grew up in the Pine Ridge Reservation. Not all nations/tribes/bands use face paint, just like not all use war bonnets or use tipis. While many of our nations share similarities, many of us have different language groups, different cultures, etc. Our nations - from North America to the Caribbeans, to Mesoamerica and South America - are as diverse as the European and Asian and African nations.
It does feel good to see people recognizing fellow Natives in media because a lot of people who didn't grow up around us act like we went extinct.
There's a WW2 vet here in my town, that was 82nd Airborne on D Day. I've spoken with him a couple times...still a sporty active old man. He was a forward scout for the invasion. Dropped his unit far behind German lines, and they pushed up to relay defensive position for shore bombardments. Linked up with the main force afterwards, and pushed in to liberate Europe. Guy is stacked in medals
The dirty 13 needs to be turned into a movie
It kinda was. It was called the dirty dozen, loosely based on the filthy 13.
@@martinstarch6734 That's both cool and kind of sad. The actual story is a hell of a one
I've been watching your videos for awhile now. Gotta say it's a breath of fresh air being able to watch and learn about history and other things without having so much info coming at you the whole video. Your able to nonchalantly educate and make it easy and fun to enjoy while simultaneously learning new things yourself. Happy new year and best of wishes!
My Dad was with the 82nd during WWII so I know that the paratroopers all carried what they called a "cricket" to be able to identify themselves to other troopers. The crickets were small tin gizmos that when mashed & released made a distinctive clicking sound. In the chaotic aftermath of the D-day jump when troopers were scattered miles off target & separated from their companies in the dark, having one became more a matter of life & death than having managed to make the jump with your weapon. The rule was simple. When you heard or saw someone you clicked & if they didn't click back, it was an enemy not a friendly so you killed or avoided them if you could. This is how men managed to find other troopers & form themselves into groups to carry on. There was little to no trying to find the company you belonged to. You just carried on with whatever guys you could find. According to my father that jump was a massive disaster. What saved it was the determination of the men involved & the fact that as a new division they'd all received exactly the same training, from the same instructors on the same bases, so fighting with men they'd never seen before wasn't the problem it might have been for other soldiers in a similar situation.
My dad, too, was 82nd then. He and the few other guys they found fought for awhile, but then their Colonel surrendered and they were taken to prisons in Poland. My dad had survivors’ guilt the rest of his life and never forgave that Colonel, but I was grateful to him because my dad lived.
my grand father was in the infantry and was at battle of the bulge. Unfortunately we never talked about his time in the war. I was watching band of brothers and in the scene when pattons troops show up my uncle told me my grand dad was with pattons push in. Its possible our relatives crossed paths.
They also carried an empty M1 grand clip would gently toss it against the steel of the M1 Grands creating the impression that they were out of ammo and reloading and when the enemy would rush them after hearing that they would be unsuspecting of them still having rifles still full of ammo... My great grandfather was an infantryman and that's something he told me they would do often
OMG I HAVE ONE FROM MY GRANDFATHER. I forgot about that!!! Super true
loud too.
There is no such thing as Cultural Appropriation... There is such a thing as Cultural Appreciation.
My Grandfather was in the unit called Devil's Marauders which was the first joint (Canadian and American) Special Forces unit. He had so pretty scary stories and helped guide me into Canadian Special Forces then American Green Berets. Yes I am that idiot that has been through two Q courses and all I can say is, if you are the type to be able to pass one of them, you will pass any of them (barring any injuries of course).
The First Special Service Force was named the Teufels Brigada (Devil's Brigade) by the Germans if memory serves me right.
My grandpa was in WW2 and he wouldn't talk about what happened. Turns out he wasn't allowed to talk about it. We haven't been able to get his records sent to us, they say they are sealed and no chance if them being unsealed anytime soon. All we do know is he was one of the few dropped behind enemy lines and was one of the first to arrive at quite a few concentration camps.
Do you think he was a "Path Finder" maybe? Hope you will find out later.
@@electron4784 that's what I'm thinking. And I hope they will release it one day too.
I don't know for certain because the details are unknown to me but like you my grandfather was dropped behind enemy lines early in the war and was captured he was a pow for three and a half years. He never really spoke about it until much later several years before he died. He had a magazine it showed pictures of the men and the conditions they were actually in while being in and recently released from POW camps. I remember him saying look here honey you could probably play the xylophone on this man's ribs That's how little we were fed. The few other stories he told me I will not repeat as they are brutally cruel and chilling to the Bone what these men went through being questioned. My grandfather survived but as he said I'm no hero that he was the ones who died for you for me for all of us.
My grandpa was a paratrooper for the 101st. He also would never talk about his time over there. I think it was more of the loss of too many buddies and not wanting to glorify the hell he went through. I can appreciate that but I still wish I could've heard more of his story before he passed...
My dad was in Japan after the bombs.he never talked about it other than that's how he started smoking during guard duty.he then worked for NSA aka no such agency.he could never t as lk about work.everything had a 25 or more year hold on releasing information.
i’ve watched your channel grow over the past few years and you’re doing amazing man, keep up the work you’ve made something that has an impact on people in a good way
Various Native American tribes used face paint for a variety of purposes, and it was not always related to war. Face paint was often used in rituals, ceremonies, and spiritual practices to symbolize different aspects of their culture, beliefs, and traditions. Paint was power; spiritual power & physical power. And the act of body painting was a sacred act, like a prayer to the creator or to nature to unify strength and spirit, hopes and visions. It was a prayer for survival too, in battle, in hunting, for the well-being of family members, or the tribe. Sometimes painting honored the dead or the brave, gave thanks, or celebrated personal, family or tribal milestones. Native Americans commonly viewed face painting not only as an act of social distinction and cultural heritage, but as a significant aspect in cultural and spiritual ceremonies and rituals. Ceremonial paint was also used to hide ones identity, as well as to obtain power from the creature or spirit represented.
Different tribes of people throughout history and around the world did the same exact thing lol
Really dislike when anything is brushed off as pagan. Even beyond all cultures that use any ceremonial body art or clothing I'm pretty sure face paint is used by soldiers today for camouflage. Gorilla warfare. It breaks up the face so soldiers aren't bullseyes
I’m a American but I enjoy your channel. You guys are very entertaining and seem to be down right good people. God bless America and the United kingdom
And BTW, just stumbled across your channel for the first time and immediately subscribed. It's refreshing to hear from a Royal Marine veteran, obviously a Brit through and through, yet also having the perspective of having lived here in the States and being married to a Yank. Because a lot of British guys tend to be pretty clueless about the USA and we Americans in general.
Also, I traveled through a great deal of England and Scotland about 15 years ago and I'm trying to place your accent. Regionally I mean. Doesn't sound South of England to me. Midlands perhaps? IDK, I found that travelling from London, working my way up to Edinburgh, I found people were easier and easier to understand the further north I went. People down south, I was constantly asking them to repeat themselves.
Thanks for the sub! Im from Manchester, however after joining the Royal Marines at 16 and being based all over the country, followed by living in the US for 9 years I think my accent is a bit all over the place haha! Mostly Manchester though!
Shout out from Ponca! Mr. McNiece is a legend around here. He was my grandparent's mailman for quite awhile. I don't remember much, but I do remember that he was always honored at our local veteran's day parade, which for a small town is it pretty impressive event. 3:23
I had the absolute pleasure of meeting several men during 82nd Airborne days who had jumped on D-day, Sicily and Market Garden. They were the most humble and down to earth men you could ever meet.
They need to make a movie about this guy. What a legend
Warriors are respected by the local tribal. Most tribes have a huge percentage of veterans on the rolls. What it takes to claim tribal membership is matrilocal so McNeese was a full member of the tribe.
14:39 “They” did, but “They” named the movie The Dirty Dozen. Lol
My father painted his face before a major battle in the Vietnam War. In the jungle the Americans came up with this very loud whistle and he taught me. Than I taught all my friends. It was so cool!
When I joined the Army I asked my grandfather about d-day, he said he "was told to go to England, they didnt say where they were going after that but the night before they were all give a pass "to go out on the town, have a drink, meet the ladys and do what you gotta do. the next morning we were on a boat to Normandy, and once the ramp dropped on the boat..... yea..." and he trailed off and changed the subject. I did no press the question.
The M1 made a distinctive clink sound when the mag was emptied. But paratroopers also carried a clicker, to identify friend, or foe.
You ought to look up the Code Talkers in WWII. Germany was decoding the codes they used to keep the American military movements secret. American Indians were recruited and they used their native language to radio information to others military camps. The Germans never could
decipher their messages. It's quite interesting. They were so valuable to the military that each Indian man had men to stay with them and protect them with their life if necessary.
There waa a movie about the code talkers. Had Adam Beach and Nick Cage in it. It was a good movie!
I am onida iroqouis. He did everything a warrior leader I spires others around him. War paint is totally justified. He is chockta. Being a qouter native he's native.
The Fat Electrician has a video on this guy. Its awesome.
101st Airborne Screaming Eagles ! ! !
- Proud son of an 101st Airborne veteran
Every unit has a couple of Tasmanian devils. When I was in the USMC infantry, we had a few and every time I looked at them, I would think, "Thank God they are on my team." These weren't just hard chargers. They were men that would eat your face off while you still breathe and would like it. They became animals out of fight and it was something to behold.
The fat electrician has many more of the stories about McNiece in his video. He really gets into exactly how much trouble he was getting into and how it was obvious that he was what was needed.
TheFatElectrician did a video on Jake McNasty and his whole life, including interviews with him years later. He describes him as the best example of a real life Anti-Hero. Fantastic video.
As for "cultural appropriation" complaints, one will often find it's more an initiative of political groups other than the culture itself (more specifically the Native American culture in this case). Some Native Americans [IE Native American Guardian’s Association] objected, for example, to the type of cancel culture that resulted in the Washington Red Skins changing their name to the Washington Commanders.
Trust me, my Brit bro thier are many just like this man . We play to win ,take no prisoners and I have American Indian blood in me ...I know what the Indians felt of their blood .We take the honor of fighting for what is right.God bless
It's call viral testostrone
He's half native so it's good. There are 4 types of Native Americans. 1. Full blooded, these are RARE and all but extinct. 2. Mixed but still card carrying tribal member. This is what I am and it's still pretty rare, but common compared to full blooded. 3. Mixed but at some point they left the tribe to try to hide they were native at some point in their family's history. These are pretty common in certain areas. 4. Those who heard that their great great uncle was the Chief of Cherokee and they think was on the Trail of Tears. There are millions of these. They think every native gets casino money and always ask "what would I get if I proved I was Native American?" That being said it's pretty rare the cultural appropriation gets called on Native American culture, one because it's such as small group nobody things about them but also it would be like telling a white kid he's appropriating Japanese culture by dressing up like a ninja or samurai. It's mostly seen as respecting the culture, not appropriating it.
The troopers may have been using Thompson sub machineguns, in .45 ACP, the M3A1 "Grease Gun" in .45 ACP, or the M1A1 Carbine in .30 Cal. carbine, a collapsible stock, select fire M1Carbine. They also were likely armed with Colt 1911 .45 ACP pistols and personal knives like the trench knife with incorporated brass knuckles or the Sykes-Fairbairn Commando dagger or a variation.
nice thanks
I agree, a story on this guy’s war achievements would be an absolute box office smash.
The Fat Electrician did the complete history of Mcnasty. You should react to this video.
I have a book suggestion;
“Sergeant reckless
America’s war horse”
It’s amazing! This horse was one of the guys. drink beer and party with them.
On its own. What evacuate wounded soldiers and bring back ammunition while under constant fire.
He was a famous mail man around my parts of Oklahoma you would never known of how wild he was
I don't care where you are from the US or any other country if you have defended humanity you are the most important person of humanity no matter what country you are from but you say you are not one of them but you are if you served in the military in no matter what country you are from just know I appreciate you because you gave your life to defend humanity against the darkness that was trying to start in the world I salute you and praise you for your service in defending humanity in any war that has ever been to all soldiers far and wide thank you for your service no matter what country you are from you're brave and courageous serving your country for the greater of humanity and I have have heritage in England,Ireland and in the Cherokee nation that I'm am proud of
Loved your son's interruption. "Sorry, Dad!"
Much respect from the USA. HOOAH!
It’s called cultural appreciation. You don’t need to have it in your blood to appreciate another culture and there is nothing wrong with it… As Elon says, wokness is a mind virus.
Yes! 100%
Americans at the time appreciated everything anybody did on their behalf. In this case, they're Americans, Americans'first, inidans second!! Wind talkers were Navajos, and it's their language that nobody else knows how to talk. That's saved our backside, Indians are very special in America. And no one else in the World that that has Or even in the past history has ever had,anybody think like an American Indian? Heaven help you if you ever have to battle one!!!God Blessed America, God Bless American Patriots/ Citizens May We All Stand Strong Together Always!!
This is why I skyways showed great respect to the old men when I grew up.. I’m 60 now.. my grandfather’s.. both were in ww2. One was in German theater, the other was in pacific theater… they never talked about it to me.. other than very briefly. And one of them was hit with shrapnel on his rear end.. but I always knew those old guys, no matter who they were and what they were like as men after the war.. neatly all in that certain age group, we’re in the war one way or another..and they deserved all the respect
My grandfather was a para in WW2. got stuck on a bell tower for twenty hours. Made him deaf fully in one ear and half in the other. Had his foot shot off by a German solider who was confused but let him live. Half of his foot was amputated.
As a Native American I can say that he has a right to that face paint and that attitude as he does have Native American blood. the face paint, the attitude, it's all part of the rituals that are very important to the Native American culture
They painted their faces because the paint on a plane was wet. It was a spur of the moment act, the fat electrician does a great documentary on this guy
They did make a movie of this
My uncle was a code talker. Levi Oakes. We just lost him. Rest in love unk!!
my thanks to your uncle for his service and sacrifice. My condolences to your family. Keep telling his stories to keep him alive. :)
We, non-indigenous Americans have always had some sport Native American paint when going to battle. Reason for this is they were among the best warriors we fought. Their fighting style can still be seen in our armed forces, especially in our special forces.
Tribes of peoples around the world and throughout history used battle paint and ceremonial paint
I personally don’t bye into cultural appropriation, but whatever mind set you need to get into so that you could survive D-Day and protect your brothers. I don’t care if they painted their faces, black, red, white, blue, orange or purple..
I’ve worked with US Special Forces and British ones and they are kind of like my Belgian Malinois. They are great when they have a meaningful job, but don’t let them get bored because they are not good at that. I guess that is why they have found the Malinois to fit right in with these type of units. Hearing how even in WWII getting in trouble in garrison was not surprising. On another note, my most meaningful TDY when I was in the USAF was going to Normandy for the 60th Anniversary and reenactment of DDay. We stayed right on Utah Beach in a tent with the 82d and 101st. We actually flew C-130s from RAF Mildenhall to France. It was amazing.
My grandpa was an Army Colonel during WWII. He was at Normandy and the Battle of the Bulge and numerous other fights liberating cities all over France. He never talked about any of it. It's crazy sometimes to think he was there in the sa.e battles as guys like this.
I'm Muskogee Indian and I have absolutely no problem with people wearing war paint. I think it's more flattering than anything that others would want to wear war paint.
Thank you for saying this! "Cultural appropriation" is such a stupid term and idea. This land has become such a melting pot of many cultures and peoples, we need to preserve every inch of it and celebrate it and take all the best parts of each one to leverage it into the greatest place on the planet. Sure we have problems but I don't see people clamoring to go anywhere else. They all know we're the best.
My dad was a squad leader in Vietnam. He and the rest of his group were 101st Airborne Rangers, demo experts, and tunnel rats.
The groups mission was to run through the jungle wreaking havoc everywhere they went.
To add to their image, they all shaved their hair into mohawks, painted their faces, and hung rat skulls around their necks.
This went on for some time until the platoon his group was a part of got a new Lt who changed how the men had been getting their work done.
Shortly after that new Lt came along, he led them all into an ambush he was warned would be waiting if they continued going the way he ordered them to.
Over half the platoon was killed or injured. My dad was shot multiple times and barely made it back to the med evac choppers.
He never really talked about what he and his men did, but I found all of his field notes he had copied and sent back home without permission.
After reading his notes, I have a different respect for him and how he raised my two brothers and I.
He passed away a couple of years ago from dementia and the effects of Agent Orange.
McNiece was from my home town in Ponca City Oklahoma USA. I worked one whole summer with his son.
Do think the video: The Fat Electrician, did about McNasty gives more detail and a little more backstory
But this one with some more footage material is not bad also
My father spent 21 years in the Air Force. He would tell me stories of his time in the AF, especially before I was born. I really wish that I had recorded his stories. He passed away this past Oct from cancer.
There was a movie inspired by these guys called The Dirty Dozen, and among others, it starred Ernest Borgnine, Charles Bronson, and a young Donald Sutherland.
It's badass they filmed him and his troops prepping for the jumps.
Saving private Ryan is another really great movie. I just watched it again the other day awesome.
as a native i think its awesome. he was native so there is no appropriation lol. Those that get mad at that are just weak minded and selfish.
great video keep it up
Native Americans take great pride in Native Americans fighting...choctaw is a Native American tribe..he was 1/2 choctaw
There was an American movie made of this called The Dirty Dozen. It’s an older movie, so you can’t expect it to be to today’s standard of movie realistically. My favorite war movie is Hacksaw Ridge, based on a true story, have you seen it? Highly recommend it.
The green barrets special ops are probably the craziest bunch from the stories I've heard.
The fat electrician tells this story in a great way. And he goes into some things Jake did that was not ,I think uve seen.
The D-Day cricket was a signaling device used by the 101st Airborne Division on D-Day to identify fellow paratroopers and request identification. A spring steel blade made a "click-clack" sound when pressed. Paratroopers would click the cricket to communicate with each other in the dark and without alerting the enemy. If a paratrooper saw movement and clicked, but didn't receive a click back, they would shoot the target. --- World War II paratroopers used a variety of weapons, including:
Americans:
M-1 Garand rifle: The standard rifle used by most paratroopers.
Thompson sub-machine gun: Also known as the "Tommy Gun".
Colt .45 automatic pistol: A common sidearm for paratroopers.
M-1918 trench knife: A modified version of the trench knife was used by paratroopers.
U.S. Mk 2 “pineapple” fragmentation hand grenade: A common weapon used by paratroopers.
M3 grease gun: First used by paratroopers of the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions during the invasion of Normandy.
Also, the M1A1 Carbine, a rifle designed in 1941 to be a replacement for the Colt M1911 Pistol and the M1 Garand rifle. Though criticized for its stopping power at close and long range, the M1A1 Carbine was manufactured by the millions by the end of World War II.
Germans:
FG 42: A selective-fire automatic rifle developed for the Fallschirmjäger airborne infantry in Nazi Germany.
Karabiner 98k rifle: The standard rifle used by Fallschirmjäger riflemen.
P38 or P08 Luger: A pistol used by Fallschirmjäger riflemen.
MP-40: A weapon that paratroopers could parachute into the field with. (the MP-40 is the 'rounder looking automatic -- which was a 9mm.
I think, parachuting has mainly been replaced with new technology, such as hand gliding and drones.
Being part Cherokee his actions don't bother me, one story from WW2 I heard of was a British soldier who carried a Scottish broadsword into combat.Airborne troops in WW2 mostly carried a M1 Thompson, Johnson lmg, M1 carbine
Mad Jack Churchill. He also carried an English Longbow and a set of bagpipes into Normandy. He actually eliminated a German with said bow, and is believed to be the last person to use such a weapon in modern times. There's actually a photo of him making landfall with his troops at Normandy, that shows him holding the unsheathed sword as he moved up the beach. It was said he was furious upon hearing of the atomic bombings in Japan. Not because he thought the bombings to be inhuman or unethical, but because it ended the war before he could get boots on ground in the Pacific Theater.
@@LarsonPetty i think that's who I was thinking of.
I’m part Seminole… people making drama over everything.
Tribes of different people throughout history and around the world used war paint.
At the video time 17:11 you can see how skinny the blade was on that knife. In my time in the Army we were told it was skinny so that it could pass through the average size of the Foramen Magnum, the hole at the base of the skull through which the spinal cord passes, effectively enabling a soldier to "Scramble" an enemy soldiers brain.
There's a long interview with McNiecehere on YT. The fast electrician has more biographical info on him. He worked in the postoffice. That film of them with their Mohawks was seen all over the US. There was a movie made that was very loosely based on his group called "The Dirty Dozen."
Think of those odd, 700 to 40!! The Almo was 183 to 10,000s of Thousands!! Americans do their best job when the odds are our favor!!!God Blessed America, God Bless American Patriots/ Citizens May We All Stand Strong Together Always!!!
They carried a collapsible 9mm submachine gun, collapsing stock 9mm carbine and the WWI Trench gun, Thompson .45 submachine gun plus their .45 sidearms
William Ewart Fairbairn and Eric Anthony Sykes made quite the “tool” indeed. I happen to edc a Boker mini smatchet based on the design along with a Gerber full sized folder version of that “tool”
They did do a movie after this but it was called the
Dirty dozen.
Luke,i highly recommend watching the fat electrician. he provides stories on specific unknown individuals in detail.
My father in law was in gliders on dday. He survived. He had as many bad days from drinking and fighting and still got an honorable discharge. I was going to give my wife a set of his decorations but he had so many I couldn’t afford it. He had foraguragers (sp)from 3 countries and much more.
My father's D-Day story was of stepping off his landing barge, onto Utah Beach, walking upright, with dry feet and marching inland to start laying telephone lines.
My grandma, who was full blooded Cherokee, she was 100% okay with it. Also, her husband was in WW2 and was a BAR operator that saw action in Europe and Japan fronts. I barely heard stories growing up, but did hear of this group and my grandma would always smile when saying things about them. So I would have to say, they were okay with it.
I'm half Native American (Santee Dakota & Chippewa). I served 33 years in the US Army Infantry. In my first fire fight in Operation Just Cause (Panama). I used the green face paint in the same manner they did. I would go on to serve in Afghanistan 3 times. I was raised in my culture as my Mother was a medicine woman. Our family are traditionalist and have faith in our ceremonies to honor the Creator. I have never ever feared death while fighting, in fact I welcomed it, but it never came during my 3 decades plus of service.
“We’re paratroopers, we’re supposed to be surrounded”-Dick Winters. When I went through Airborne School at Ft Benning in 1985, many of us did the Mohawk haircut.
I am Shawnee, wood clan. My grandfather always claimed service within the fifthly 13. He was 7' 5" and built like a mountain and an absolute monster even into his 70s. I am unable to confirm besides him being a corporal retired and having a few pictures from France. I was to young to appreciate his life and culture before he pasted. He definitely had a Mohawk and face paint in several pictures and afterwards it was considered an honor for your bothers to do the same. If your doing it to make fun, Halloween or mocked this is where the limited is reached with our tolerance of cultural appropriation.
As a member of Cherokee Nation, I think it’s great. If his mom was 1/2 native then he has native blood as well. It is in fact part of who he was.
I was a u.s. paratrooper from 1980-1983 . we did have a large percentage of nutcases. I miss them everyday
They couldn’t control Jake, but he wassoooo good they could only let him loose!
He's loved!! I'm a Marine. He is a beloved warrior!
My grandpa was in the regular army and some of the paratroopers got stuck with his unit. All he would say was that “those guys were nuts.” He told me a story of one of them shooting a sausage with his .45 in the chow line.