Sounds kinda funny, but something I noticed is that TH-cam is the only platform out of these that can be downloaded and watched on a smart tv. I got excited when both Rae and Lud switched because it added more people that I can easily watch when I’m chilling in the living room eating dinner.
My friend who's a girl streamer said she's been having more success in youtube than twitch. Perhaps region also play a factor in this. Twitch is not known very well in my country
9:00 TikTok lives shouldn't be slept on. The discoverability and accessibility is actually ridiculous. The meta is so primitive on TikTok that people are pulling insane numbers for doing simple things like playing Snake or doing a Beyblade tournament
In a serious note, Miz is probably the only other "bridge of livestreaming" like Lud. If he goes to TH-cam and brings a few OTK friends, I think its another nuke in it of itself
youtube needs to bag connoreatspants. Im only half joking, hes relatively small but hes literally friends with every streamer. Like he might truly be the most connected streamer
Hey Atrioc, agree w/ your assessment except on one thing - Facebook Gaming is extremely big in some non-US countries (like my country for example) to the extent that almost all streaming type of creators are on FB gaming instead of another platform, so I think those numbers in 4:50 are accurate
FB numbers are consistently bogus ! but I am well aware that FB Gaming has been dominating in certain countries. YTG with FreeFire some South American communities as well.
@@atrioc The LYING Facebook is making big FAKE NEWS with their numbers. They are BIG in other countries, but they're sending fake numbers, they're sending bots, AND SOME I ASSUME are real views. Sad!
@Daffy Tbh this is a consistent issue with comparing statistics of anything. Facebook is not technically lying, but their standard of what a view is so inflated that it is only comparable to itself. Therefore the best knowledge you can gather from it is it's growth. If you compare a lot of statistics between countries too though you get the same issue. A recent example would be COVID death rates between countries. Different countries have different requirements for listing a COVID death. They're not technically 'wrong' for doing so, but it means that doing comparisons on how different countries are dealing with it very difficult. Because, in both scenarios the numbers are actually tracking two different definitions, even though the output feels like it should be comparable, it isn't.
@@dinospumoni5611 He played baby shark on stream for a couple seconds but didn't know the shark rules with an iron fist and the suspended his stream. Not a ban tho he will be back on Saturday with a comeback stream to rival Big A.
The problem is that Twitch got bought by Amazon, and the amount of money Twitch brings into the Amazon sphere is not worth investing anything into to improve it. Obviously there's people at Twitch that care about their platform but in the grand scheme of things, TH-cam is a significant part of Google, whereas Twitch is not a significant part of Amazon.
True but if they are able to monopolize streaming by beating TH-cam then there is more money to be made in the first place, plus if they lose the war twitch becomes dead weight to the company and will incur heavy losses and Amazon most likely doesn’t want that.
If this logic held, then TH-cam wouldn't have invested in livestreaming because it's so small compared to their non-live videos. The relative size of a business isn't relevant into whether or not resources will be put into it. Otherwise Amazon/Google/Facebook etc. would never make any innovative products because at the time of creation (before there is any market/audience) they would be "too small to be worth investing in" compared to the main revenue streams. The fact that these companies do make new products and services demonstrates that this isn't how executives are thinking.
@@HappyBeeGaming the difference is TH-cam wants live-streaming to play a bigger role, Amazon could care less. If Amazon cared they would’ve gave more money to get Ludwig a bigger deal for twitch, but they didn’t. And they are actually pretty consistent in offering less money than TH-cam so far, if amazon was fully on board with twitch streaming TH-cam would never outbid them for their creators.
One of the TH-cam nukes Big A missed is that most twitch streamers have TH-cam channels anyways. They already got a foot in the door with most streamers. They have subscribers that will be notified when they go live and people who are not subscribed will still get the streams recommended if they watched some videos including that streamer. That means streamers can already build on some kind of infrastructure they already built. Especially compared to the mixer situation this is a very significant difference. It also means that if streaming becomes bigger and youtubers decide to Livestream TH-cam will be a their place to start because it will give them an easy headstart and those people will bring the community insiders that could become the TH-cam emotes. Also TH-cam has an existing community that exceeds gaming while twitch is still pretty much stuck gaming even if non- gaming is growing on twitch. It will be hard to escape that mental link in most people's head. With TH-cam having a very solid normie/non-gaming community in terms of viewers and creators they will have an easy time with conquering the non-gaming market if livestreaming continues to grow. Especially once more youtubers will hop on the train of livestreaming which would be the dream scenario for TH-cam. Once the ball starts rolling TH-cam will become an unstoppable force. The only thing missing right now is a pure livestreaming section on TH-cam which increases discoverability for creators and especially viewers that mainly focus on streaming. As a viewer right now you don't have the possibility to easily find new streamers to watch. The connectivity between communities is just way weaker than on twitch with all their features to direct viewers from one streamer to another. Examples of that would be raids, autohosts, recommended streams always being visible etc. My conclusion and prediction on the whole topic is that overall TH-cam has some problems with their infrastructure right now that should be fixable. And once they do fix it they will slowly start to grow even if they don't put much money into buying creators. But buying those creators will give them legimitacy and will accelerate the process. If they stick to it, put the effort into it I talked about and don't hold themselves back by being a slowmoving moneygiant they will 100% become a major player in livestreaming.
@@NewChiqueChloe he played a couple seconds of baby shark on stream which is dmca, and dmca strikes on a youtube live stream shuts it off immediately. He wasn't really banned, just suspended from continuing that stream
No one ever talks about Vtubers on these discussions. Hololive/Nijisanji blew the F up during covid and they all put up numbers that can compete with the big dogs on twitch. Solo streamers hitting 50k on average. Big collabs hitting 100k+. TH-cam has a niche with Vtubers that twitch doesnt offer as much with just Vshojo.
You should also mention the skippable ads TH-cam, if TH-cam fixes their algorithm and promotes streamers, those skippable ads will benefit a lot the discoverability for new streamers, I can’t count how many small streamers lost my attention just because of an ad that made me click out immediately, I’m sure a bunch of other viewers did that too
remember two days ago when lud said to his guy at TH-cam, "you guys wouldn't ban me on the first day though" he was right. they would ban him on the third though OMEGALUL
who? I haven't seen Ludwig regularly talk to any of the big guys living in Japan. Aka Trash Taste squad and V-tubers. They have maybe spoken once or twice because of the botez sisters or something. But I think that is it.
@@Guz0510 He hasn't really done all that much with Connor. It is botez events. But didn't know he talked to Chris on Twitter. But I really don't Twitter all that much either. So yeah
I guarantee you the next big streamer that's gonna beat everyone else is probably somebody who hasn't even started streaming yet. Someone's gonna pop off in a way we haven't seen before and it's gonna be nuts when they do.
It'll be someone that can catch the womens demo. Right now streaming is a good chunk of male viewers. I think Atroic kinda touched on breaking into "normie culture" but I think that'll be catching women viewers who are of the right age group. The conversation about streaming is very heavily male focused and there are a LOT of women who would be intrested if they had the right draw. I used to work at a manga/anime merch shop for like 3 years, and I'm not kidding when I say 90% of our customer base were women, yet if you look online the demographics are very men focused. There are a lot of women who are on the very outskirts of "nerd culture" who just need one push to snowball the demos. I know this was a long comment, but watch this space. This time 2023 there'll be a new name in streaming and they'll have a HUGE women demo, and they'll do insane numbers. (Also, side prediction, this streamer will be universally shit on by oldheads, this happens everytime there is a huge boon in womens media, for example Bieber and Twilight were both massivly mocked by early internet users and they were the two dominated forces in womens entertainment)
@@scy2324 he's kinda like a test run. Him and Critical Roll have a huge women's base that is an anomaly and not the norm. The trick is gonna be 1) someone who can do variety which Dream and CR can't do, and 2) have the ability to work with other streams. Right now Dreams and CRs fanbases don't touch anything other than their own specific niches. The goal of twitch and YTG will be to tap into the market as a whole on the platforms. Imagine if Lud had a huge women's base, that would spread to others in his vortex
You guys are on the right track but not quite. The next big streamer will blow records out of the water because it will be some kind of celebrity. A normie celebrity. Like a Tik Tok star or someone with millions and millions of cult followers. That is when streaming will really explode. When they break records it will make XQc and Ludwig look like peanuts. I promise you right now that's when streaming platforms will notice the waves big names can have and things will change.
@@christianrosas8917 no I think the next big streamer will be the ninja of the next fortnite, like a new game that will completely blow up and becoming even more relevant to mainstream culture. Remember how insane twitch numbers got in the early days of fortnite? Game hypes like that don't happen every year. Before Fortnite it was Minecraft and before that maybe CoD or WoW
I feel like Big A is missing out on the idea that b/c TH-cam is that much larger than twitch, and their reach is much further, they have access to opportunities for their creators that twitch simply does not. Google cares more about TH-cam than Amazon does about Twitch. Google will support their creators not only financially, but with connections and access as well. Twitch does not have the ability to equally compete.
How powerful do you guys think a TH-cam Premium Sub (Prime equivalent) would be. TH-cam Premium is pretty nice with no ads and music etc, but it's only confined to TH-cam. I feel like Google needs to offer some sort of "Alphabet-soup" subscription that ties in a bunch of their products like Prime. Something like unlimited Photo storage with Drive, the Play Pass and TH-cam Premium. The thing is, they'll never reach the mass adoption of Prime because of the delivery advantage it gives you, BUT because TH-cam is such a bigger platform than Twitch, they can deal with a lower adoption rate as long as the total ends up above Twitch's Prime usage. One more note, while TH-cam doesn't have the same kind of community as Twitch does with top influencers, I feel that due to TH-cam's rec algorithm, it allows for a much larger amount of reasonably successful more niche livestreamers to succeed that could not exist on Twitch. Lud is also really good at creating professionally created shows. If TH-cam will actively support creations like the Smash event, I can imagine a large chunk of that community moving over.
Just Look at the Twitch Landscape in Germany, it is normies everywhere, especially trough FIFA and the Football (soccer) world. Football Stars are streaming on twitch, are subs, interacting in Chats everything. Even the great R9 picked Up streaming in Brasil... Kind blowing. I feel Like this Football Community can get Twitch out of the niche and into the Mainstream
I think your analysis of why the Ludwig move is so big is a little bit flawed. I think you're too focused on how connected Ludwig is. I think the real reason it's so big is because Ludwig's audience is already here. There's no move over to a new platform, because Ludwig was already big on youtube as well.
I watch live streams more on TH-cam than I do for twitch. That said,I don't watch gaming content like that. I'm more of a woodworker and aquarium channel watcher.
Its crazy looking back at this... Miz did predict correctly, even tho Atrioc waved it off then... now Big A gets like 5k almost every stream, definitely a growth from the 1.2k then... for a period of like 5 months, thats incredible growth!
Something else to consider is that switching to TH-cam doesn't feel like switching the same way switching to mixer or Facebook feels. Most people who watch twitch already use TH-cam on a daily basis for pre recorded content. They don't have to create a new account on mixer or start using Facebook all of the sudden. TH-cam has such a leg up over the other twitch competitors.
The thing is Twitch can become better but the people in TH-cam is the people in TH-cam so that's A LOT of job to get them to their platform with advertisement, collabs, works with other companies and still there's people that don't care about that and will stay in TH-cam Now TH-cam just needs to updates itself and make some economic decisions (copy twitch prime) so if they get to work fast they can win the war and make it stay that way unless Twitch does something drastic
Is it true? How could it be?? A video edited by the QuacKster himself??? I am appalled at the quality that only the greatest duck in the land could create!
TH-cam premium / red / whatever its called now could include a free membership to a channel with every month, its probably not as widespread a subscription service as amazon prime is, but i think youtube is big enough to convince people to get it if it means regularly being able to support creators you love
Watching the stream has ruined the videos for me. Why would I want to sit here and watch something I've already seen in the livestream? Make more content for youtube so that I can watch it please.
Dude really out here predicting Kick. It's easier to stream on there cause you don't have to worry nearly as much, it has like 90/10 split, and it's buying up people that are at their peak popularity who have or could collab
I think what a lot of people don't realize is how big of an advantage TH-cam has over Twitch. One of the biggest advantages TH-cam has is accessibility. Similar to to how Walmart and Target took over; TH-cam has everything in one place, you can watch normal high quality content then just switch over to a streamer you like all in one place. While TH-cam can just fix and update their site Twitch will never be able to match the vast ecosystem TH-cam has.
Plus currently the marketing of Twitch is the old exploitative type of company which had been proven time and time again to not work in today's "woke" society.
Hey Atrioc, I've watched every video of yours for the last year the day they came out. I think I deserve a pinned comment OTHERWISE this is proof that you don't read these.
Time for a group of students to make a new live streaming platform. That or I might actually restart my audio based social media projects with live stuff too.
Im actually the opposite, I started my streaming on TH-cam and once I built an audience used Twitch to do dual stream in case people wanted to use that service. Althoug in my case Im under 2k so not sure if it counts in the idea of new streamers getting popular
This is an incredible video, I honestly love watching these business oriented videos you post, and you’re actually entertaining. I am at 7:54 and haven’t skipped a thing. GOOD SHIT BIG A
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the real winner is mixer for getting big A himself to be their only streamer
If mixer was a thing and Atrioc did move over I would genuinely download mixer just to watch him
@@Subpar1224 your joking right
@@Subpar1224 Now THAT'S a Mogul Move.
Oh sheet true true
The real winner is twitch for getting big A himself to be their only twitch subscriber
Watched the vod but this editing is so pog I gotta watch the TH-cam as well
Sounds kinda funny, but something I noticed is that TH-cam is the only platform out of these that can be downloaded and watched on a smart tv. I got excited when both Rae and Lud switched because it added more people that I can easily watch when I’m chilling in the living room eating dinner.
My friend who's a girl streamer said she's been having more success in youtube than twitch.
Perhaps region also play a factor in this. Twitch is not known very well in my country
9:00 TikTok lives shouldn't be slept on. The discoverability and accessibility is actually ridiculous. The meta is so primitive on TikTok that people are pulling insane numbers for doing simple things like playing Snake or doing a Beyblade tournament
The strat is to watch people on both sides, so no matter what, you are already in the right community
Man, Quack really took the chance and just flexed his valorant clips on us.
Great video,I recommend continuing adding poki doki and mizzy wizzy on ur vids
QuacK kinda nutty at Val tho 👀
6 minutes in an di just realized he was streaming from ludwigs house wtf
I respect the Valo flex Quack
Come to youtube...
Also YT premieres should get YTP like primers
Huge pickup by TH-cam. Hopefully Ludwig doesn't get banned on his 3rd day.
He did
@@braiden7524 thank for the helpful comment
@@braiden7524 so Kong king for the insightful comment
That wouldn't happen, TH-cam's Copyright Id system is better so he wouldn't just get outright banned
@@braiden7524 thank you for your scholarly inference.
Quack splicing in his own Valorant highlights is the biggest marketing move in any Big A video
A mogul move, one might say
that had me laughing my ass off
incredible timing with this and ludwigs stream going down
Ikr lol and after only a few days of being on TH-cam his streams is taken down
i was there, and now im here too
Why’d it get taken down. I was an hour behind on the livestream
@@northover6015 said he violated policy, probably for watching yt vids.
@@nickpineau4139 wait so he can't react Andy to TH-cam videos anymore?
In a serious note, Miz is probably the only other "bridge of livestreaming" like Lud. If he goes to TH-cam and brings a few OTK friends, I think its another nuke in it of itself
youtube needs to bag connoreatspants. Im only half joking, hes relatively small but hes literally friends with every streamer. Like he might truly be the most connected streamer
@@akaherb8815 also he’s known to be just liked in general. Not doing bits like miz where some people might not get it, but like he’s just raw talent
If Miz and Ludwig are both on youtube Twitch just lost all it's children. That's like the future of Twitch viewership in just those two.
@@BagelsandJewce you forget about tommyinnit his following is huge and majority kids
@@tormenta4life nah. We leave the kids on twitch. And we all swap to TH-cam. This a Mogul Move bois
Hey Atrioc, agree w/ your assessment except on one thing - Facebook Gaming is extremely big in some non-US countries (like my country for example) to the extent that almost all streaming type of creators are on FB gaming instead of another platform, so I think those numbers in 4:50 are accurate
Yeah hard agree on this, anyone that thinks FB gaming numbers are bogus have not even had a surface level look at SEA communities
FB numbers are consistently bogus ! but I am well aware that FB Gaming has been dominating in certain countries. YTG with FreeFire some South American communities as well.
@@atrioc The LYING Facebook is making big FAKE NEWS with their numbers. They are BIG in other countries, but they're sending fake numbers, they're sending bots, AND SOME I ASSUME are real views. Sad!
@Daffy Tbh this is a consistent issue with comparing statistics of anything. Facebook is not technically lying, but their standard of what a view is so inflated that it is only comparable to itself. Therefore the best knowledge you can gather from it is it's growth.
If you compare a lot of statistics between countries too though you get the same issue. A recent example would be COVID death rates between countries. Different countries have different requirements for listing a COVID death. They're not technically 'wrong' for doing so, but it means that doing comparisons on how different countries are dealing with it very difficult.
Because, in both scenarios the numbers are actually tracking two different definitions, even though the output feels like it should be comparable, it isn't.
@@adrianbaev5277 nice one
"It makes it so much more possible, and safe to give it a try." - Atrioc
Video also goes out minutes after Ludwig gets suspended
He got suspended? Lol
@@PuroOsso753 baby shark rules boi
Did he actually get suspended? From TH-cam? Why?
@@dinospumoni5611 baby shark, do do
@@dinospumoni5611 He played baby shark on stream for a couple seconds but didn't know the shark rules with an iron fist and the suspended his stream. Not a ban tho he will be back on Saturday with a comeback stream to rival Big A.
The problem is that Twitch got bought by Amazon, and the amount of money Twitch brings into the Amazon sphere is not worth investing anything into to improve it. Obviously there's people at Twitch that care about their platform but in the grand scheme of things, TH-cam is a significant part of Google, whereas Twitch is not a significant part of Amazon.
True but if they are able to monopolize streaming by beating TH-cam then there is more money to be made in the first place, plus if they lose the war twitch becomes dead weight to the company and will incur heavy losses and Amazon most likely doesn’t want that.
If this logic held, then TH-cam wouldn't have invested in livestreaming because it's so small compared to their non-live videos. The relative size of a business isn't relevant into whether or not resources will be put into it. Otherwise Amazon/Google/Facebook etc. would never make any innovative products because at the time of creation (before there is any market/audience) they would be "too small to be worth investing in" compared to the main revenue streams. The fact that these companies do make new products and services demonstrates that this isn't how executives are thinking.
@@HappyBeeGaming the difference is TH-cam wants live-streaming to play a bigger role, Amazon could care less. If Amazon cared they would’ve gave more money to get Ludwig a bigger deal for twitch, but they didn’t. And they are actually pretty consistent in offering less money than TH-cam so far, if amazon was fully on board with twitch streaming TH-cam would never outbid them for their creators.
i think quack just wanted to show off his valorant highlights
quack kinda cracked
One of the TH-cam nukes Big A missed is that most twitch streamers have TH-cam channels anyways. They already got a foot in the door with most streamers.
They have subscribers that will be notified when they go live and people who are not subscribed will still get the streams recommended if they watched some videos including that streamer. That means streamers can already build on some kind of infrastructure they already built. Especially compared to the mixer situation this is a very significant difference.
It also means that if streaming becomes bigger and youtubers decide to Livestream TH-cam will be a their place to start because it will give them an easy headstart and those people will bring the community insiders that could become the TH-cam emotes.
Also TH-cam has an existing community that exceeds gaming while twitch is still pretty much stuck gaming even if non- gaming is growing on twitch. It will be hard to escape that mental link in most people's head.
With TH-cam having a very solid normie/non-gaming community in terms of viewers and creators they will have an easy time with conquering the non-gaming market if livestreaming continues to grow. Especially once more youtubers will hop on the train of livestreaming which would be the dream scenario for TH-cam. Once the ball starts rolling TH-cam will become an unstoppable force.
The only thing missing right now is a pure livestreaming section on TH-cam which increases discoverability for creators and especially viewers that mainly focus on streaming. As a viewer right now you don't have the possibility to easily find new streamers to watch. The connectivity between communities is just way weaker than on twitch with all their features to direct viewers from one streamer to another. Examples of that would be raids, autohosts, recommended streams always being visible etc.
My conclusion and prediction on the whole topic is that overall TH-cam has some problems with their infrastructure right now that should be fixable. And once they do fix it they will slowly start to grow even if they don't put much money into buying creators. But buying those creators will give them legimitacy and will accelerate the process.
If they stick to it, put the effort into it I talked about and don't hold themselves back by being a slowmoving moneygiant they will 100% become a major player in livestreaming.
It doesn’t help TH-cam when they ban Ludwig on his third day of streaming lmao
Ludwig got banned immediately after this was uploaded. The first casualty of the war
What did he do? I don't follow Ludwig, but it feels like he'd have to do something really incredibly stupid to get banned by youtube this quickly
How?
@@NewChiqueChloe baby shark
@@GuiTheKratos do do do do
@@NewChiqueChloe he played a couple seconds of baby shark on stream which is dmca, and dmca strikes on a youtube live stream shuts it off immediately. He wasn't really banned, just suspended from continuing that stream
No one ever talks about Vtubers on these discussions. Hololive/Nijisanji blew the F up during covid and they all put up numbers that can compete with the big dogs on twitch. Solo streamers hitting 50k on average. Big collabs hitting 100k+. TH-cam has a niche with Vtubers that twitch doesnt offer as much with just Vshojo.
Fucking facts. I don’t think anyone pays attention to the superchat billboards. Those numbers are actually insane.
ye but theyre vtubers
@@madsiesss so?
@@apancakewithabs632 they. are. vtubers.
Vtubers will not be taken seriously by other creators for a long time
The irony of Lud getting his stream taken down minutes after this uploaded lol.
Pretty it's gonna be Mixer since Big A is moving to it!
You should also mention the skippable ads TH-cam, if TH-cam fixes their algorithm and promotes streamers, those skippable ads will benefit a lot the discoverability for new streamers, I can’t count how many small streamers lost my attention just because of an ad that made me click out immediately, I’m sure a bunch of other viewers did that too
remember two days ago when lud said to his guy at TH-cam, "you guys wouldn't ban me on the first day though"
he was right. they would ban him on the third though OMEGALUL
The stream got cancelled and that too by FUCKINT baby shark god I hate them anyway he can resume streaming
Great video Big A. I watched most of it.
@@Jake-qs9uh lol
Its crazy that even youtubers that live in Japan are friends with Ludwig, he's literally mr worldwide.
QT makes it easy
who? I haven't seen Ludwig regularly talk to any of the big guys living in Japan. Aka Trash Taste squad and V-tubers. They have maybe spoken once or twice because of the botez sisters or something. But I think that is it.
@@Guz0510 He hasn't really done all that much with Connor. It is botez events. But didn't know he talked to Chris on Twitter. But I really don't Twitter all that much either. So yeah
@@iamme8290 I think he's in at least one of the anime man's videos
“i don’t think DMCA is going to be a factor” -atrioc, 2021
Hats off to QuacK for the editing recently. Big A’s videos have gone up in quality ten-fold in the last few days
I saw quack popping off with the Valorant clip at 9:20 , is he the next big shroud?
I guarantee you the next big streamer that's gonna beat everyone else is probably somebody who hasn't even started streaming yet. Someone's gonna pop off in a way we haven't seen before and it's gonna be nuts when they do.
It'll be someone that can catch the womens demo. Right now streaming is a good chunk of male viewers. I think Atroic kinda touched on breaking into "normie culture" but I think that'll be catching women viewers who are of the right age group. The conversation about streaming is very heavily male focused and there are a LOT of women who would be intrested if they had the right draw. I used to work at a manga/anime merch shop for like 3 years, and I'm not kidding when I say 90% of our customer base were women, yet if you look online the demographics are very men focused. There are a lot of women who are on the very outskirts of "nerd culture" who just need one push to snowball the demos.
I know this was a long comment, but watch this space. This time 2023 there'll be a new name in streaming and they'll have a HUGE women demo, and they'll do insane numbers. (Also, side prediction, this streamer will be universally shit on by oldheads, this happens everytime there is a huge boon in womens media, for example Bieber and Twilight were both massivly mocked by early internet users and they were the two dominated forces in womens entertainment)
@@thebuzz567 is this not dream already
@@scy2324 he's kinda like a test run. Him and Critical Roll have a huge women's base that is an anomaly and not the norm. The trick is gonna be 1) someone who can do variety which Dream and CR can't do, and 2) have the ability to work with other streams. Right now Dreams and CRs fanbases don't touch anything other than their own specific niches. The goal of twitch and YTG will be to tap into the market as a whole on the platforms. Imagine if Lud had a huge women's base, that would spread to others in his vortex
You guys are on the right track but not quite. The next big streamer will blow records out of the water because it will be some kind of celebrity. A normie celebrity. Like a Tik Tok star or someone with millions and millions of cult followers. That is when streaming will really explode. When they break records it will make XQc and Ludwig look like peanuts. I promise you right now that's when streaming platforms will notice the waves big names can have and things will change.
@@christianrosas8917 no I think the next big streamer will be the ninja of the next fortnite, like a new game that will completely blow up and becoming even more relevant to mainstream culture. Remember how insane twitch numbers got in the early days of fortnite? Game hypes like that don't happen every year. Before Fortnite it was Minecraft and before that maybe CoD or WoW
I feel like Big A is missing out on the idea that b/c TH-cam is that much larger than twitch, and their reach is much further, they have access to opportunities for their creators that twitch simply does not. Google cares more about TH-cam than Amazon does about Twitch. Google will support their creators not only financially, but with connections and access as well. Twitch does not have the ability to equally compete.
damn it was worth waiting for the youtube vid quacks editing is off the charts
Honestly, I unironically believe Otto could just make a new streaming platform like Atrioc said
How powerful do you guys think a TH-cam Premium Sub (Prime equivalent) would be. TH-cam Premium is pretty nice with no ads and music etc, but it's only confined to TH-cam. I feel like Google needs to offer some sort of "Alphabet-soup" subscription that ties in a bunch of their products like Prime.
Something like unlimited Photo storage with Drive, the Play Pass and TH-cam Premium.
The thing is, they'll never reach the mass adoption of Prime because of the delivery advantage it gives you, BUT because TH-cam is such a bigger platform than Twitch, they can deal with a lower adoption rate as long as the total ends up above Twitch's Prime usage.
One more note, while TH-cam doesn't have the same kind of community as Twitch does with top influencers, I feel that due to TH-cam's rec algorithm, it allows for a much larger amount of reasonably successful more niche livestreamers to succeed that could not exist on Twitch.
Lud is also really good at creating professionally created shows. If TH-cam will actively support creations like the Smash event, I can imagine a large chunk of that community moving over.
Honestly yt probably should hire someone like atrioc, he is great selling to boomers and zoomers
truuuue
Just Look at the Twitch Landscape in Germany, it is normies everywhere, especially trough FIFA and the Football (soccer) world. Football Stars are streaming on twitch, are subs, interacting in Chats everything. Even the great R9 picked Up streaming in Brasil... Kind blowing.
I feel Like this Football Community can get Twitch out of the niche and into the Mainstream
I think your analysis of why the Ludwig move is so big is a little bit flawed. I think you're too focused on how connected Ludwig is. I think the real reason it's so big is because Ludwig's audience is already here. There's no move over to a new platform, because Ludwig was already big on youtube as well.
7 months later, Big A is proving to be a prophet. TH-cam is making plays and Twitch seems to be too comfortable.
I watch live streams more on TH-cam than I do for twitch. That said,I don't watch gaming content like that. I'm more of a woodworker and aquarium channel watcher.
who's watching this minutes after Lud's stream got shut down
Quack casually dropping a valorant fragmovie halfway through
Yoooo New Video!
We all know this video was just a plot by quack so he could upload his valorant clips
Quack finding an excuse to put his Valorant highlights in the video
wait he kind of called kick at 8:50.
Its crazy looking back at this... Miz did predict correctly, even tho Atrioc waved it off then... now Big A gets like 5k almost every stream, definitely a growth from the 1.2k then... for a period of like 5 months, thats incredible growth!
Something else to consider is that switching to TH-cam doesn't feel like switching the same way switching to mixer or Facebook feels. Most people who watch twitch already use TH-cam on a daily basis for pre recorded content. They don't have to create a new account on mixer or start using Facebook all of the sudden. TH-cam has such a leg up over the other twitch competitors.
The only streamer that I can think of that got big from streaming on TH-cam is Etika. He was pulling 50k+ consistently on TH-cam before he passed.
The thing is Twitch can become better but the people in TH-cam is the people in TH-cam so that's A LOT of job to get them to their platform with advertisement, collabs, works with other companies and still there's people that don't care about that and will stay in TH-cam
Now TH-cam just needs to updates itself and make some economic decisions (copy twitch prime) so if they get to work fast they can win the war and make it stay that way unless Twitch does something drastic
9:18 nice valorant clips Quack 👍
Is it true? How could it be?? A video edited by the QuacKster himself??? I am appalled at the quality that only the greatest duck in the land could create!
TH-cam premium / red / whatever its called now could include a free membership to a channel with every month, its probably not as widespread a subscription service as amazon prime is, but i think youtube is big enough to convince people to get it if it means regularly being able to support creators you love
quack dropping some cracked valorant clips, ez clap
Atrioc is so accurate, Sykkuno has moved. Lilypichu has moved, I dunno who else anymore
Watching the stream has ruined the videos for me. Why would I want to sit here and watch something I've already seen in the livestream? Make more content for youtube so that I can watch it please.
Twitch sucks on mobile data always buffering and stuttering. TH-cam lives never do it to me
Dude really out here predicting Kick.
It's easier to stream on there cause you don't have to worry nearly as much, it has like 90/10 split, and it's buying up people that are at their peak popularity who have or could collab
Quack sneaking in his valorant clips
MY BIGGEST THING IS WHERE DO I FIND THE STREAMS ? ITS I HAD TO LOOK IT UP IN ORDER TO FIND THEM! NEED TO MAKE IT MORE VISUALLY ACCESSIBLE!
Biggest Nuke for youtube. I need a way to see the Streams on the home page i have to dig for the streams. :(
Yes, but why would we want TH-cam to win? They got rid of dislikes.
damn quack is cracked at valorant
I think what a lot of people don't realize is how big of an advantage TH-cam has over Twitch. One of the biggest advantages TH-cam has is accessibility. Similar to to how Walmart and Target took over; TH-cam has everything in one place, you can watch normal high quality content then just switch over to a streamer you like all in one place. While TH-cam can just fix and update their site Twitch will never be able to match the vast ecosystem TH-cam has.
Plus currently the marketing of Twitch is the old exploitative type of company which had been proven time and time again to not work in today's "woke" society.
9:19 so you can rewatching the quack Valorant montage
Ur welcome
TH-cam could easily counter prime with TH-cam Premium
quack flexing his val clips OMEGALUL
Yo QuacK dont think we didnt see you go off in those valo clips
I love that QuacK got to drop his Valorant montage in the middle there
Twitch reminds me of blizzard regarding how focused they are on money
Quack with his valorant clips. What a legend.
Watching this almost year later is very, very funny ngl
lmao quack found a way to put his val clips in this vid 9:25 , seriously tho, amazing Marketing Monday and unreal editing!
Hey youtube would be great if you get Stanz and Atrioc
Editor GOATED with these chapters
Yo quack kinda goated at valorant tho he needs to train the e wing
anyone else notice how cracked quack is at Valorant?
Nice Val clips QuacK you were shooting
The real winner is quack and his Valorant montage
Attioc finally found the celeste soundtrack lesgo
he predicted tiktok, some sorts. 8:43
Nah, he predicted Kick or whatever tf it is
nice val clips quack
Sheeesh quack with the valorant gameplay
love quack flexin with the valorant clips haha
Atrioc said “Big” like 3000 times.
Loved the quacK valorant gameplay
9:18 weird flex Quack, but alright
Hey Atrioc, I've watched every video of yours for the last year the day they came out.
I think I deserve a pinned comment OTHERWISE this is proof that you don't read these.
Time for a group of students to make a new live streaming platform.
That or I might actually restart my audio based social media projects with live stuff too.
Live and VOD stuff.
If you’ve ever seen some students work, you know that it could happen.
you gotta love the quack valorant clips
gotta love the quakvalo montage
he knows, he knew
the real winner is quacks montage
Im actually the opposite, I started my streaming on TH-cam and once I built an audience used Twitch to do dual stream in case people wanted to use that service. Althoug in my case Im under 2k so not sure if it counts in the idea of new streamers getting popular
Isn't that Ludwig's room?
This is an incredible video, I honestly love watching these business oriented videos you post, and you’re actually entertaining. I am at 7:54 and haven’t skipped a thing. GOOD SHIT BIG A
9:18 Quack sneaking his valorant clips in