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I really wanna see Baby Vegito Black vs Beerus. The Goku Black arc on this channel has been some of the best content on here and it would be a great end (I think Beerus would win) to it, especially as a starter for 2023 on the channel.
I love how you blended the believable story into the action. Both of them recognized each other’s abilities, formed a realistic counter, and slowly escalated the fight until they used their ultimate moves (not to mention how crisp the animation was). This was an amazing video all around.
@@proto.t-mechanic.1.013His ability is to revert to "Zero" but hypothetically GERis the imbodiment of the golden ratio At least i think thats what he means
This is why I always wear red. If I wear yellow I might become a gay vampire that gets blown up by some college kid that tried to shoot himself in jail. If I pick pink. I'll get crippled by that who IS crippled. If I pick white I'll become a guy who has a hand fetish and die a ironic death. Therefore.... Wearing red is the best solution
Instead of making it a one sided slaugher you made it look like an actual battle, even giving somewhat of an explanation to why johnny and giorno met and why they fought. I never thought that GER could resemble the embodiment of golden ratio, astonishing work anyways.
This fight is literally the embodiment of why I love JJBA sprite animations and fights so much, and why they stand out to me. There is actual strategy involved, unique abilities bouncing off each other, and the way stands are choreographed in a fight, I love all of it.
Johnny: "This resemblance- An alternate reality version of *him...?"* I mean with Giorno's anime color scheme, he's not completely wrong... Also Hyourinjutsu really just went: "Which Giorno rush voice do you wanna use for the final-" *"Y E S"*
This has got to be the most accurate representation of Johnny using all of his powers that I've ever seen. And I mean ALL of them. And seeing him hold his own against Giorno proves his power and ingenuity.
Oh wow!! I could finally contribute to the legendary Hyourinjutsu with one of my tracks? I feel SO honored!! The fight was, as usual, top-notch, keep up the amazing work
I love Giorno's reaction to seeing Johnny shoot himself in the head. I also love how you gave this actual story and made it an actual fight. Personally, I think this could be a draw. It's basically a sword that can cut through anything (TUSK Act 4) VS a shield that can clock anything (GER).
I’ve always seen a fight against GER as >Does your attack/you exist? >Yes ->You’re doomed to lose >No ->There’s like 2 people who can do this so congrats, now to get past his enormous power
@@sukong1232 The first is Gappy with S&W:GB, the second is Reimu Hakurei with Fantasy Nature. Nowadays we have a third one being the Noita with Cessation, although they can't really do much in that state so they still lose
I’ve always headcannoned the idea that once Johnny throws out an attack using the infinite rotation, you wouldn’t be able to return to zero because of its anti-space time properties, but there’s no confirmation on how any of the busted time abilities would interact ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I do think that a Go Beyond bubble would definitely be able to touch GER
@@robotfuture1581 Well thats the thing when you put Zero up to Infinity... it just becomes undefined. Realistically we don't know and probably cannot comprehend the interaction between RTZ and Infinity Rotation. Although I will say their interpretation of RTZ is sort of flawed. It doesn't just return the action to zero, but also can return the attacker's will to zero as well. It states in within GER's stand description. I would say GER also has more utility and could probably find ways to win more than Johnny can. I am not sure if Johnny can do the whole sensing the joestars thing since we really don't know if that is a thing in these alternate universes. Also GER's speed overclocks Tusk Act 4. Even if Johnny has infinite speed it falls short to immeasurable speed.
@@gxstlythe following is just my own thoughts. true infinity does not begin at zero. it has no beginning as it has no end. if we're speaking maths, imagine a numerical system which is 0-1-2-3... ger returns attacking enemies to the beginning, which would be zero in most cases. however, infinite spin has no start. tusk act 4's case is ...-3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3,... ger will never affect tusk.
I'd argue that that for Johnny's infinite rotation would be able to return to zero because it takes an action to activate the infinite rotation while ger reverts all actions to zero making it so that any effects from said action never actually happens .
@@fireysalt the spin is acausal it’s outside of cause and effect which is the principle ger works off of it removes the effect from the cause so yeah gers main ability is just negated by the spins vary nature
I figured after the battle, it'll be something like this: Johnny: Why...Why didn't you finish me off?... You're just another version of president Valentine! Giorno: I honestly don't know who that is. J: wait...if you're not Valentine....then who are you. G: my name is Giorno Giovanna. *A bit of time is to explain the situation* G: It seems that your legs are disabled... J: yeah, that's right. G: I can make you a new pair of legs. J: ....oh shit for real?
Problem is, most cripples (including Johnny) have the illness affecting their spinal cord, making signals unable to reach the legs. What Johnny needs is a new spine
@@victorvirgili4447 Giorno can do that too. Take the Notorious BIG (or CHASE if you want to meme the 2nd DiU opening), his hands basically popped off, the only way they actually survived is that Gold experience made a hand with one of Giorno's broachs. A literal hand, with flesh, skin, and bone.
@@toonlinkthelegendaryheroof901 Yes, as i said, what he needs is a new spine. The biggest problem will be putting in the new spine since your torso needs much more care to work with than your legs (or limbs in general)
Probably the best version of this fight I’ve seen. It was made believable as to why they were even fighting in the first place, and their reactions and responses to each others moves were all exactly how you’d think it would go, and the ending felt REAL and made some kind of sense in this other than just “RTZ no diffs L Bozo” it was actually fun to watch.
3:16 man in the manga jhonny didn't shoot himself and randomly revived in part 7 (spoil alert) he kill himself so he can become Axl RO's error (his stand civil war revive the errors of anybody) and so he shot himself to revive right after. He didn't revive by some random event.
Yea that still dosnt make any sense, if it’s infinite you can set a number that dosnt stop meaning an infinite amount of quantity back to nothing because no matter what it will always keep going
@@thusluxx1358eh according to one of the guide books, giornos return to zero ability would effect every stand from parts 3 to early 8, so canonically it would beat Johnny
Another amazing animation from you as always. What I like about your Vs animation fights is that you do thorough research of both characters' background. And you also make sure that it's not just about how the two fighters compare in strength and abilities, but also in how they utilize them and take each other's advantage.
I feel like this is the fight that needs actual answers from Arkai. There's too many people picking a side, and too many variables like could act 4 break free from the infinite death, could GER counter an infinite spin. Would GER mess up by creating life that has a natural rotation in it? Would the black hole nails be able to be fixed by GER. This is done amazingly, and I feel like either side could have won.
Idk why but I want to still stand that the infinite rotation will only just cause a stalemate with GER since they will basically just cancel out what they could possibly do with their stands. They're both reality-altering stands anyway so I assumed when TA4 activates its effect and then GER counters it, TA4 will continue with what it does but GA4 still avoids it so it's an endless tag (like no matter how it resets, the difference will be TA4 will be forever to chase him as well). Unless it's the Soft & Wet Go Beyond which can basically negate just all of it since I feel like that works the same as a black hole. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
@@therealwhoever what happens then to the first nail that was shot? Wouldn't it be a bad assumption to say it's now gone when it's infinitely chasing GER/Giorno? I get that the reason or will of that negative effect will be back to zero, but infinity is never zero, so what about the first TA4? The way I see it, people think that the rotation is gone after the fact but I think the more GER rtz is activated, the more TA4 will occur because it'll still be there like how Valentine was chased even in multiple dimensions. Something that can only be resolved with S&W GB
W I love Jojo so this is my favorite animation of yours now Edit: I love Giorno, and for those who don't get it He didn't just Zero out Infinity, he zeroed out the action of Johnny bringing out his stand
in my opinion johney is one of the most battle smart charters in all of jojos and it really came to light in the “Who shot johney” situation and he would likley be able to summon upon tusk act 4 like how he did in this what if. i feel like that’s a really sleept on part of johney
Not going to lie this jojo fight is the best fight you have done out of all of them this one really stood out and was unique it also followed the jojo rule flawlessly without problem. to are a very good creator by far the best you have done
This is easily of the best it focuses more on abilities and skill than pure power unlike most if not all his videos are mainly who hits harder and his knowledge of jojo is impressive understanding all of the powers and weaknesses
Really curious to see how you interpret Requiem, a lot of people don’t know how it works (me included) Edit: Still don’t think I entirely understand lol
That's why you're supposed to use the guidebooks that gives you more info on it more so as to how it says GER's Return To Zero would work on any stand from Part 3 to Early Part 8, which includes all stands from P3 to early p8
It’s surreal for me to watch Dragon Ball animations and then went straight to JoJo. It’s perfect. Edit: I like how the animation has now become faster which was something I had a problem with back with the 2 other videos with the Goku vs Bardock fight and the LBSS4 Vegito: Xeno vs SSBEKK Gogeta fight. I’ve mentioned before that those ones felt slow and don’t have the same impact as the older ones, which is why I believe that the 9th and 10th What if with SS4 Broly vs Rose Goku Black and Baby Vegeta and Super Goku vs GT Goku are the best ones. They’re both what I want to point to when I watch these animations because those were fast paced videos which helps make me feel mind blown with the fights whole these ones felt slow, which drags down the tension a bit and they didn’t have a sense of urgency in the situations they needed to have. This only thing that makes up for it is how smooth and fluid the fights are, which I have complimented, but they don’t cut through it enough for me. Now this video actually goes back on track on how it’s suppose to be done at least to me and I’m happy about that.
This video is really fantastic, but it also highlights just how incomprehensible Jojo must look from the outside looking in, especially since the majority of this channel is mostly DB what ifs
Great work as always. I always had some speculation about this though. I believe this fight would end in a stalemate Morso then one beating the other. As rtz returns and action to the point where it was zero nullifying that action completely, but Johnny's infinite rotation is well... infinite, and infinity itself has no starting point, nor does it have an end point so they'd just go back and forth with each other.
@@therealwhoever but the action of the bullet hitting ger still happened as that is whats being undone, and even though the action was reverted the effect is still there as seen wtih valentine trying to find a dimension where ta4 didnt affect him.
@@beegyoshi2942 the thing with valentine was D4C. D4C traveled through dimensions but since it was infected with the infinite rotation it would never stop spinning. So that's why when valentine switched dimensions it was always spinning. Not because the rotation itself travels dimensions but because D4C was the one thing ruining the dimensional clones. After all there's only one valentine with D4C. Now for this? The animation shows tusk doing the attacks and stuff but in reality Johnny wouldn't have even shot the nail. The animator just showed what would've happened if ger didn't return to zero. But since ger did that means there's NOTHING happening on Johnny's side to even have a nail powered with the infinite rotation in the first place.
@@beegyoshi2942 when the only time each dimensional version of himself started spinning and going to the same spot ONLY WHEN D4C WAS ADDED TO SAID VERSION OF VALENTINE
the video was truly incredible, and seeing how both protagonists showed their fighting skills so uniquely made the video very beautiful and captivating
@@nightowl548 return to 0 does not return to 0. It removes the effect of an action while keeping the cause(opposite to time erase) The only thing in the jojo verse that can bypass ger is soft and wet go beyond
@@sseempire8705 we don't know what GER does. Giorno doesn't even know. Realistically, you can also apply what you said to Tusk. It took a stand that can rewrite reality to undo its ability that causes whatever he hits to suffer infinitely. Every cell spinning at an infinite speed, causing infinite pain
The logic of ger being the embodiment of spin is actually so fucking awesome. I’d never think of that, but it makes perfect sense, and it follows the logic of the original universe too since spin is effectively a more versatile and efficient hamon, they both have connections to life itself, so reasonably ger could be connected to either spin or hamon, probably adjusting itself to fit which is more present in which universe.
It fits well with this theory I've seen before, a theory that the Joestar bloodline received stands that were given to them as a warning sign by Jonathan's body as soon as Dio awakened to the world. Because of this, they received stands that resembled the abilities that Dio has that could be enough to finally kill him like for example: Jotaro receiving the same ability as Dio, Joseph receiving hermit purple (potentially a version of Jonathan's stand because of body stealing) and Giorno awakening a stand ability that bestows life, that resembles hamon. It's a really huge coincidence if this isn't true but fun to think about overall and sorry for the crappy explanation
I know it's not as popular but I love your Jojo videos and hope you make more I also love the way you used both characters abilities such as Jonny opening a portal so he didn't directly destroy the scorpions or
See, I thought so. If Johnny could reverse the spin, that would make that spin a negative infinity, which means Tusk Act 4 acts towards only one infinite, either positive or negative. And either a strictly positive or negative infinity must begin at zero. Requiem wins.
Doesn't Tusk Act 4 work throughout every dimension, also it affects you in every universe, even in one's where it never fired off, so it kinda exists even if it doesn't. I do think GER couldn't stop Tusk act 4, but maybe I'm looking at it wrong
@@randomyoutuber2633 The gravitational effect that follows D4C is a result of the action of firing Tusk Act 4. There is still an action that has a point of zero. Therefore, GER can RTZ it. The reason Valentine couldn't escape it was because it caused an effect that remained on D4C, meaning his transfer was meaningless. But if the action is reversed, the effect is never applied, meaning Giorno can escape Tusk Act 4. Does that make sense?
@@ModernAegis This fight in actuality would be a stalemate. The energy left after firing the nail bullets would still stay even if Ger tried to Rtz it and Ger would be trying to Rtz something that's not stopping.
@@jesuschristthefirstjojo.7565 If Johnny was capable of reversing its effect, that means it is only a positive infinity that Johnny is capable of applying a negative infinity to to cancel it. Meaning it stops at zero. Meaning RTZ would work.
@@ModernAegis Johnny never reversed the infinite spin, He added another one. In a sense, Johnny is affected by infinity going in two directions. You can't revert infinity since it's infinite.
I don’t think Giorno would have won this just because RTZ does exactly that return something to a zero point but infinitely moving nails have no zero but I digress
Jojo characters are so cool I still remember the game having for ps1 i was 5 years old more or less You give me alot of good memories with this figh Thank you bro as always YOU KILLED ME
the main issue with this is that, because her can revert attacks to their beginning it automatically wins. while yes, johnny's attacks DO infect have no end, they have a beginning which means that no matter how many times Johnny fires and never ending bullet, it can always be reversed to it's beginning. if this where a fight between gappy (go beyond) and giorno (requiem) gappy wins BECAUSE of the fact that his go beyond bubbles have no begining NOR do they have an end. they break the cosmos itself causing them to not exist but exist at the same time. TL;DR: if it has a beginning ger can revert it.
Bruh you actually provided a decent explanation for why Giorno didn't negate Made in Heaven. Something Araki will never do. Although I can’t get over the fact you spelt “bizarre” wrong
Best i can make, if we add the game mechanic of ASB, is that Giorno didn't take the arrow to Florida, thus making him unable to use Requiem. Short explanation because something something fate and the plot requieres it.
as soon as giorno / ger were hit by infinite rotation each of their cells would spin infinitely so i felt like it wouldve gone differently thats just my interpretation though, love the animation !
In the Anime, GER seemed to have been permanent. But in the original Manga, the arrow actually fell from GE after he put Diavolo into the infinite death loop.
@@pedrohenriquemedeirosmacha9696 where not talking math formulas. Tusk has the ability to keep going no matter what and ger can prevent it and counter. I'm not so brain dead that you need to repeat RETURN TO ZERO like that. It would seem that they both beat eachother
THIS WAS FIRE!!!!! BRO THE ANIMATION!!! CHEFS KISS!!! THE STORY WAS SO GOOD! AND THE FIGHT ITSELF WAS AMAZING!!! PLEASE MAKE A PART 2 TO THIS WHERE THEY LIKE WORK WITH EACH OTHER TO DEFEAT PUCCI AND VALENTINE!!! THAT WOULD BE SIC!!!
This is a really good animation and I think it’s actually an accurate representation of what happens if Jonny Joestar tried to fight G.E.R ( spoiler alert: he’s not winning) and that’s because return to zero will make anything you do useless thanks to the fact that G.E.R uses causality manipulation and that is when u would remove an effect and only leave a cause. Which is why Giorno won. Because he has the ultimate uno reverse card.
@@jaredwong-bynoe2750 ….he could literally just return to the point where Johnny hasn’t decided to shoot his nails and just beat him up from there Also before you say anything about infinity not being able to be reverted it will always have a starting point before it becomes infinite
@@doctorhelth Problem is that rtz is a defense mechanic so it won’t work.Also reverting infinite won’t work because it would just keep going.Even johnny said himself that the only neutralizer to the infinite rotation is an clockwise or anticlockwise infinite rotation
@@jaredwong-bynoe2750 dude that’s because for Johnny that’s the only solution for them since it literally takes place in an alternate universe where rtz doesn’t exist for them cause if it did then it would have been one hella stupid move cause everything you do is meaningless and also Ger has its own consciousness, if it sees an attack that is coming it just would revert the attack as seen with Diavolo trying to deliver a hit to Giorno but being stopped by rtz Ik Giorno is hella overrated but it doesn’t make his ability any less overpowered
@@doctorhelth that’s what i said.It’s a defense mechanism when giorno is indanger plus even then the only time giorno use rtz when he was attacking is eyes of heaven which is non canon
GER itself is pretty hard to hurt, given its sentience, and using the ability on itself to revert things of its choosing. (Like using rtz to put the effects back to a state where the stand isn't actually effected by the damage) Giorno is a different case tho.
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@@Plazions lol
I really wanna see Baby Vegito Black vs Beerus. The Goku Black arc on this channel has been some of the best content on here and it would be a great end (I think Beerus would win) to it, especially as a starter for 2023 on the channel.
for this idea you'll need Fu pulling the strings but
Granola Vs. Moro?
Also good job on this been waitin a long time
I love how you blended the believable story into the action. Both of them recognized each other’s abilities, formed a realistic counter, and slowly escalated the fight until they used their ultimate moves (not to mention how crisp the animation was). This was an amazing video all around.
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GE being perfectly embedded in the golden ratio is a pretty interesting way to think about how life giver works
Or just cause he's golden lol (u know that ain't the case but still)
Yeah nice touch
he's the embodiement of ratio
@@udulaketagoda6055 wait how? Isn’t the stand is embodiment of "Zero"? meaning GER is not infinite.
@@proto.t-mechanic.1.013His ability is to revert to "Zero" but hypothetically GERis the imbodiment of the golden ratio
At least i think thats what he means
Moral of the story: if Giorno kept his manga colors of the blue suit, Johnny would have never attacked him.
lol
fr tho
Even just the hair might've been enough. Anger is a powerful antagonist to reason.
Or even the black colors he had at the end of Part 5 when he became the boss in the anime
This is why I always wear red. If I wear yellow I might become a gay vampire that gets blown up by some college kid that tried to shoot himself in jail. If I pick pink. I'll get crippled by that who IS crippled. If I pick white I'll become a guy who has a hand fetish and die a ironic death. Therefore.... Wearing red is the best solution
Instead of making it a one sided slaugher you made it look like an actual battle, even giving somewhat of an explanation to why johnny and giorno met and why they fought. I never thought that GER could resemble the embodiment of golden ratio, astonishing work anyways.
That's Hyorinjutsu for ya. Their sprite animations are absolutely fantastic.
Tusk Act 4’s infinite rotation is beyond GER.
@@reflex9238 Nah GER literally reverses cause and effect there was nothing Johnny could do.
@@jayku8857 only on a universal scale. Tusk Act 4 is multiversal.
@@reflex9238 yeah I don't really get how ger would reset infinity, cuz he can't. But the battle was cool.
Mafia boss beating his crippled dad from another timeline
You make it sound like a bad thing 😹
(Raises his finger to say something) (realises the sentence is true from start to finish) (Puts down his finger)
@@mavikartal7775 Couldn’t have said it better myself
Just another Tuesday for JoJo
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This fight is literally the embodiment of why I love JJBA sprite animations and fights so much, and why they stand out to me.
There is actual strategy involved, unique abilities bouncing off each other, and the way stands are choreographed in a fight, I love all of it.
Until the author puts their biased opinion in the end ruining everything. Like this one.
Disappointing
@@gilmsgabriel copium
@@ExoticDestroyer8530 Ger fans on their way to cope with criticism
@@gilmsgabriel You realize there's literally nothing Johnny could do to actually even touch Giorno right?
@@memememe7081 you realize there’s nothing you could do to touch any bitches right? (I’m sorry bro I couldn’t help it)
Johnny: You wouldn't hit a guy in a wheelchair would you?
Giorno: The burning passione of my resolve is NOT ABLEIST
Giorno: Also, I don't see a wheelchair anywhere, so I assume that you chose to fight me while lying on your back as some sort of flex on me, sooo...
Well, I am a gangster so
Like father like son
@@joshjess9841 LMAO
My father was a cainist, so no ableist
Johnny: "This resemblance- An alternate reality version of *him...?"*
I mean with Giorno's anime color scheme, he's not completely wrong...
Also Hyourinjutsu really just went: "Which Giorno rush voice do you wanna use for the final-"
*"Y E S"*
This has got to be the most accurate representation of Johnny using all of his powers that I've ever seen. And I mean ALL of them. And seeing him hold his own against Giorno proves his power and ingenuity.
Honestly out of the Jojos I can actually see Giorno and Johnny get along well since they would do whatever it takes to achieve their goals
father and son and the holy spirits
And now Jodio is pretty much the same way!!! 😮😮😮
@@OcramarkIt’s only been a few months brother we don’t even know the true power of November Rain
@@udulaketagoda6055amen 🙏
Oh wow!! I could finally contribute to the legendary Hyourinjutsu with one of my tracks? I feel SO honored!! The fight was, as usual, top-notch, keep up the amazing work
Even you are here, nice.
Didn't expect to see you here
congrats
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I love Giorno's reaction to seeing Johnny shoot himself in the head. I also love how you gave this actual story and made it an actual fight. Personally, I think this could be a draw. It's basically a sword that can cut through anything (TUSK Act 4) VS a shield that can clock anything (GER).
I’ve always seen a fight against GER as
>Does your attack/you exist?
>Yes ->You’re doomed to lose
>No ->There’s like 2 people who can do this so congrats, now to get past his enormous power
@@victorvirgili4447 wait 2 I thought only 1 who's the second
@@sukong1232 The first is Gappy with S&W:GB, the second is Reimu Hakurei with Fantasy Nature. Nowadays we have a third one being the Noita with Cessation, although they can't really do much in that state so they still lose
I’ve always headcannoned the idea that once Johnny throws out an attack using the infinite rotation, you wouldn’t be able to return to zero because of its anti-space time properties, but there’s no confirmation on how any of the busted time abilities would interact ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I do think that a Go Beyond bubble would definitely be able to touch GER
the whole premise of tusk's ability is to be absolutely unstoppable. there is no force stronger than infinite rotation
@@robotfuture1581 Well thats the thing when you put Zero up to Infinity... it just becomes undefined. Realistically we don't know and probably cannot comprehend the interaction between RTZ and Infinity Rotation. Although I will say their interpretation of RTZ is sort of flawed. It doesn't just return the action to zero, but also can return the attacker's will to zero as well. It states in within GER's stand description. I would say GER also has more utility and could probably find ways to win more than Johnny can. I am not sure if Johnny can do the whole sensing the joestars thing since we really don't know if that is a thing in these alternate universes. Also GER's speed overclocks Tusk Act 4. Even if Johnny has infinite speed it falls short to immeasurable speed.
@@gxstlythe following is just my own thoughts.
true infinity does not begin at zero. it has no beginning as it has no end. if we're speaking maths, imagine a numerical system which is 0-1-2-3... ger returns attacking enemies to the beginning, which would be zero in most cases. however, infinite spin has no start. tusk act 4's case is ...-3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3,... ger will never affect tusk.
I'd argue that that for Johnny's infinite rotation would be able to return to zero because it takes an action to activate the infinite rotation while ger reverts all actions to zero making it so that any effects from said action never actually happens .
@@fireysalt the spin is acausal it’s outside of cause and effect which is the principle ger works off of it removes the effect from the cause so yeah gers main ability is just negated by the spins vary nature
I figured after the battle, it'll be something like this:
Johnny: Why...Why didn't you finish me off?... You're just another version of president Valentine!
Giorno: I honestly don't know who that is.
J: wait...if you're not Valentine....then who are you.
G: my name is Giorno Giovanna.
*A bit of time is to explain the situation*
G: It seems that your legs are disabled...
J: yeah, that's right.
G: I can make you a new pair of legs.
J: ....oh shit for real?
Problem is, most cripples (including Johnny) have the illness affecting their spinal cord, making signals unable to reach the legs. What Johnny needs is a new spine
@@victorvirgili4447 Giorno can do that too. Take the Notorious BIG (or CHASE if you want to meme the 2nd DiU opening), his hands basically popped off, the only way they actually survived is that Gold experience made a hand with one of Giorno's broachs. A literal hand, with flesh, skin, and bone.
@@toonlinkthelegendaryheroof901 Yes, as i said, what he needs is a new spine. The biggest problem will be putting in the new spine since your torso needs much more care to work with than your legs (or limbs in general)
@@victorvirgili4447 i know, just put his soul and mind in a new body easy fix.
however the only thing ger can't fix is josuke's bad hair.
@@extremearron Careful now, Josuke might be rapidly approaching your location!
Probably the best version of this fight I’ve seen. It was made believable as to why they were even fighting in the first place, and their reactions and responses to each others moves were all exactly how you’d think it would go, and the ending felt REAL and made some kind of sense in this other than just “RTZ no diffs L Bozo” it was actually fun to watch.
Bro those tiktoks that just compare stats without explanation and say “ez no diff” are awful
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@@muckyesyesindisguise3854 Well actually! 🤓
Been waiting since the Bardock animation for this, and I'm really excited! This is gonna be a banger 100%
The fact that Johnny sees a resemblance of Valentine in Giorno is the funniest yet weirdest thing that i havent seen how similar they look
This guy makes so many good theories even better then actual jojo theorists, major respect
Yoooo ORA, your animations are incredible and always fascinate me, keep up the work you'll get far big man!
The wait was 100% worth it. I hope there are more JoJo what ifs in the future.
Johnny: “You’re going down President”
Giorno: “It would be a shame if that never happened”
Johnny's trick to use Act 4 was brilliantly done.
This was awesome! Love Giorno’s reaction to Johnny shooting himself and how they both kept analyzing and adapting 🔥🔥
3:16 man in the manga jhonny didn't shoot himself and randomly revived
in part 7 (spoil alert) he kill himself so he can become Axl RO's error (his stand civil war revive the errors of anybody) and so he shot himself to revive right after. He didn't revive by some random event.
5:41 this is when you knew it was over.
Figures giorno would win considering the stuff with eyes of heaven and how infinity can still be rewound back to zero.
What?
@@jaheimfitzgerald5065 eyes of heaven is a jojo videogame
Yea that still dosnt make any sense, if it’s infinite you can set a number that dosnt stop meaning an infinite amount of quantity back to nothing because no matter what it will always keep going
@@thusluxx1358eh according to one of the guide books, giornos return to zero ability would effect every stand from parts 3 to early 8, so canonically it would beat Johnny
@@bleh6809 source?
Another amazing animation from you as always.
What I like about your Vs animation fights is that you do thorough research of both characters' background. And you also make sure that it's not just about how the two fighters compare in strength and abilities, but also in how they utilize them and take each other's advantage.
I feel like this is the fight that needs actual answers from Arkai. There's too many people picking a side, and too many variables like could act 4 break free from the infinite death, could GER counter an infinite spin. Would GER mess up by creating life that has a natural rotation in it? Would the black hole nails be able to be fixed by GER. This is done amazingly, and I feel like either side could have won.
6:21 giorno: he’s just like me fr
I love how this channel is far more knowledgeable on JoJo than most of the anime's fans.
Idk why but I want to still stand that the infinite rotation will only just cause a stalemate with GER since they will basically just cancel out what they could possibly do with their stands. They're both reality-altering stands anyway so I assumed when TA4 activates its effect and then GER counters it, TA4 will continue with what it does but GA4 still avoids it so it's an endless tag (like no matter how it resets, the difference will be TA4 will be forever to chase him as well). Unless it's the Soft & Wet Go Beyond which can basically negate just all of it since I feel like that works the same as a black hole. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.
Well, Ger rtz works if there was a negative action against his user
It's simple
Johnny has to shoot nail.
No nail
No attack
Rtz works
@@therealwhoever what happens then to the first nail that was shot? Wouldn't it be a bad assumption to say it's now gone when it's infinitely chasing GER/Giorno?
I get that the reason or will of that negative effect will be back to zero, but infinity is never zero, so what about the first TA4? The way I see it, people think that the rotation is gone after the fact but I think the more GER rtz is activated, the more TA4 will occur because it'll still be there like how Valentine was chased even in multiple dimensions. Something that can only be resolved with S&W GB
@@marukomanda6815 Johnny never shot the nail and thus there was no ta4 or infinity chasing him.
@@marukomanda6815 oh wait are you talking about the video?
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I love Jojo so this is my favorite animation of yours now
Edit: I love Giorno, and for those who don't get it
He didn't just Zero out Infinity, he zeroed out the action of Johnny bringing out his stand
in my opinion johney is one of the most battle smart charters in all of jojos and it really came to light in the “Who shot johney” situation and he would likley be able to summon upon tusk act 4 like how he did in this what if. i feel like that’s a really sleept on part of johney
5:47 it seriously looks like that GER put Johnny in a genjutsu
I don't know how you would do it, but it would be cool to see Giorno and Johnny team up to fight against Toru and Wonder Of U
Not going to lie this jojo fight is the best fight you have done out of all of them this one really stood out and was unique it also followed the jojo rule flawlessly without problem. to are a very good creator by far the best you have done
Happy New Year bro 🥳, and congrats on the 300k, your work is amazing👌
Loved how you used every Giorno and Gold Experience voice for the Mudas during Return to Zero.
Man returned out of nowhere at the very end of the year to drop a banger
That double "Muda, Muda!" with Gold Experience and Requiem's ASB voices just go so hard.
The real fight:
- TUSK ACT…
- No
how can these incredible talented people Just pop up on the internet, this is crazy man ur insane
4:56 If its too hard to understand this (because its jojo language), you can translate it into, "OH NO, HIS FAST FIST CAN DO THE SPINNY SPINNY"
I love how I detailed you get with lore! It's just so amazing!
I really wasnt expecting a (what if..?) From jojos! you really caught me off guard. Good video!
5:55 Ultimate Experience
I wish these JoJo animations that Hyourinjutsu does would get just as much or more views than the dbs animations cuz this rly good
You've always produced such high-quality animation! Keep up the good work
This is easily of the best it focuses more on abilities and skill than pure power unlike most if not all his videos are mainly who hits harder and his knowledge of jojo is impressive understanding all of the powers and weaknesses
I’m so excited
I can’t wait for this
Edit: also congratulations 300k subscribers man you earn it 🥳🎉
Ayy I was hoping you'd do more JoJo stuff. Great work as always.
Really curious to see how you interpret Requiem, a lot of people don’t know how it works (me included)
Edit: Still don’t think I entirely understand lol
That's the problem. We've seen it used a single time
Basically, it’s a “Nope! Never happened…dunno what you are on about” power
That's why you're supposed to use the guidebooks that gives you more info on it
more so as to how it says GER's Return To Zero would work on any stand from Part 3 to Early Part 8, which includes all stands from P3 to early p8
It just makes sure you can't harm giorno and all his regular abilities are amplified to the max
@@AhmOOO Yea it's like that one time my little brother beat me in chess so i took the 9 and blew his head off.
5:57 r.i.p didn’t know how he fucking got restarted;-;
good work my dude, love your stuff. it's always an event.
It’s surreal for me to watch Dragon Ball animations and then went straight to JoJo. It’s perfect.
Edit: I like how the animation has now become faster which was something I had a problem with back with the 2 other videos with the Goku vs Bardock fight and the LBSS4 Vegito: Xeno vs SSBEKK Gogeta fight. I’ve mentioned before that those ones felt slow and don’t have the same impact as the older ones, which is why I believe that the 9th and 10th What if with SS4 Broly vs Rose Goku Black and Baby Vegeta and Super Goku vs GT Goku are the best ones. They’re both what I want to point to when I watch these animations because those were fast paced videos which helps make me feel mind blown with the fights whole these ones felt slow, which drags down the tension a bit and they didn’t have a sense of urgency in the situations they needed to have. This only thing that makes up for it is how smooth and fluid the fights are, which I have complimented, but they don’t cut through it enough for me. Now this video actually goes back on track on how it’s suppose to be done at least to me and I’m happy about that.
Gionro:” sure you can understand me.”
Gionro, he’s *fucking dead* .
This video is really fantastic, but it also highlights just how incomprehensible Jojo must look from the outside looking in, especially since the majority of this channel is mostly DB what ifs
this guy's work is always on point.... sometimes you do way better than death battle fights lol
This is interesting, hope theres a continuation where they both team up
Great work as always.
I always had some speculation about this though. I believe this fight would end in a stalemate Morso then one beating the other. As rtz returns and action to the point where it was zero nullifying that action completely, but Johnny's infinite rotation is well... infinite, and infinity itself has no starting point, nor does it have an end point so they'd just go back and forth with each other.
It just doesn't happen
Johnny doesn't shoot the nail in the first place.
No nail
No infinite rotation
@@therealwhoever but the action of the bullet hitting ger still happened as that is whats being undone, and even though the action was reverted the effect is still there as seen wtih valentine trying to find a dimension where ta4 didnt affect him.
@@beegyoshi2942 the thing with valentine was D4C. D4C traveled through dimensions but since it was infected with the infinite rotation it would never stop spinning. So that's why when valentine switched dimensions it was always spinning. Not because the rotation itself travels dimensions but because D4C was the one thing ruining the dimensional clones. After all there's only one valentine with D4C.
Now for this? The animation shows tusk doing the attacks and stuff but in reality Johnny wouldn't have even shot the nail. The animator just showed what would've happened if ger didn't return to zero. But since ger did that means there's NOTHING happening on Johnny's side to even have a nail powered with the infinite rotation in the first place.
@@therealwhoever where did it say d4c was the problem?
@@beegyoshi2942 when the only time each dimensional version of himself started spinning and going to the same spot ONLY WHEN D4C WAS ADDED TO SAID VERSION OF VALENTINE
the video was truly incredible, and seeing how both protagonists showed their fighting skills so uniquely made the video very beautiful and captivating
As hyped as I am for this, I think Giorno is going to stomp
Not exactly… infinity itself is a state of being that can’t be returned to zero.
@@nightowl548 return to 0 does not return to 0. It removes the effect of an action while keeping the cause(opposite to time erase)
The only thing in the jojo verse that can bypass ger is soft and wet go beyond
@@sseempire8705 we don't know what GER does. Giorno doesn't even know. Realistically, you can also apply what you said to Tusk. It took a stand that can rewrite reality to undo its ability that causes whatever he hits to suffer infinitely. Every cell spinning at an infinite speed, causing infinite pain
@@bradleybarnett1469 blz mas a ação de atirar as unhas pode ser retornada ao zero o que faz com que seja impossível o disparos tocarem no giorno
@@cromaticogamer1010 do nada BR discussão de gringo KKKKKKKJ
The logic of ger being the embodiment of spin is actually so fucking awesome. I’d never think of that, but it makes perfect sense, and it follows the logic of the original universe too since spin is effectively a more versatile and efficient hamon, they both have connections to life itself, so reasonably ger could be connected to either spin or hamon, probably adjusting itself to fit which is more present in which universe.
It fits well with this theory I've seen before, a theory that the Joestar bloodline received stands that were given to them as a warning sign by Jonathan's body as soon as Dio awakened to the world.
Because of this, they received stands that resembled the abilities that Dio has that could be enough to finally kill him like for example: Jotaro receiving the same ability as Dio, Joseph receiving hermit purple (potentially a version of Jonathan's stand because of body stealing) and Giorno awakening a stand ability that bestows life, that resembles hamon.
It's a really huge coincidence if this isn't true but fun to think about overall and sorry for the crappy explanation
This isn’t a dragon ball fight…
But I’ll take it. You’re a great animator who puts epic levels of passion into their work.
CaN hE bEaT gOkU tHo? 🤓🤓
they both solo him.@@ShiningAndStarstruck
Extremely good animation, everything made sense the fights itself were brilliant and also, happy new year.
Ssj god bardock vs freiza would be a interesting what if to see animated
I know it's not as popular but I love your Jojo videos and hope you make more
I also love the way you used both characters abilities such as Jonny opening a portal so he didn't directly destroy the scorpions or
See, I thought so. If Johnny could reverse the spin, that would make that spin a negative infinity, which means Tusk Act 4 acts towards only one infinite, either positive or negative. And either a strictly positive or negative infinity must begin at zero. Requiem wins.
Doesn't Tusk Act 4 work throughout every dimension, also it affects you in every universe, even in one's where it never fired off, so it kinda exists even if it doesn't. I do think GER couldn't stop Tusk act 4, but maybe I'm looking at it wrong
@@randomyoutuber2633 The gravitational effect that follows D4C is a result of the action of firing Tusk Act 4. There is still an action that has a point of zero. Therefore, GER can RTZ it. The reason Valentine couldn't escape it was because it caused an effect that remained on D4C, meaning his transfer was meaningless. But if the action is reversed, the effect is never applied, meaning Giorno can escape Tusk Act 4. Does that make sense?
@@ModernAegis This fight in actuality would be a stalemate. The energy left after firing the nail bullets would still stay even if Ger tried to Rtz it and Ger would be trying to Rtz something that's not stopping.
@@jesuschristthefirstjojo.7565 If Johnny was capable of reversing its effect, that means it is only a positive infinity that Johnny is capable of applying a negative infinity to to cancel it. Meaning it stops at zero. Meaning RTZ would work.
@@ModernAegis Johnny never reversed the infinite spin, He added another one. In a sense, Johnny is affected by infinity going in two directions. You can't revert infinity since it's infinite.
Missed opportunity for “to be continued” and Roundabout at the end! Awesome stuff!
I don’t think Giorno would have won this just because RTZ does exactly that return something to a zero point but infinitely moving nails have no zero but I digress
but infinity × 0 is 0
@@gkanishl not quite, it returns to a zero point not a multiplication of zero. So if anything it’s being divided by zero which isn’t possible
The zero point for GER's RTZ would be the moment when Johnny launches Tusk ACT4
This definitely deserved 1M views
2:22 I facepalmed so hard 🤣
Jojo characters are so cool
I still remember the game having for ps1 i was 5 years old more or less
You give me alot of good memories with this figh
Thank you bro as always
YOU KILLED ME
One heck of a way to end the year
You ever hear the expression “Unstoppable force vs Immovable Object”
Amazing animation as always it was worth the wait
It looks so cool, i like how you made tusk wormholes, but it's not cannon.
But i really love it
0:42 Giorno was sent back to 1980, never meeting Johnny.
Damn you now made 2 stunning animations where my boi Jotaro dies... Are you trying to give me crippling depression?
HOW IS THIS ONLY LIKE 2 YEARS OLD AT MOST.
WHY DO I FEEL YOUNG.
I SWEAR i watched this in like pre-Corona times.
Tusk act 4 about to swan dive through 500 layers of RTZ:
3:44 he actually cant because johnny is at nowhere
PLEASE do more JoJo what ifs!! This was fantastic!!
2:30:
Johnny: I don’t speak Italian.
Gyro Zeppelin:.........
Fire animation as always, also this what if could be considered cannon well to me at least, but still fire ass animation as always
5:06 7 Page Ora ora(Johnny) ?
the main issue with this is that, because her can revert attacks to their beginning it automatically wins. while yes, johnny's attacks DO infect have no end, they have a beginning which means that no matter how many times Johnny fires and never ending bullet, it can always be reversed to it's beginning. if this where a fight between gappy (go beyond) and giorno (requiem) gappy wins BECAUSE of the fact that his go beyond bubbles have no begining NOR do they have an end. they break the cosmos itself causing them to not exist but exist at the same time. TL;DR: if it has a beginning ger can revert it.
Bruh you actually provided a decent explanation for why Giorno didn't negate Made in Heaven. Something Araki will never do.
Although I can’t get over the fact you spelt “bizarre” wrong
Best i can make, if we add the game mechanic of ASB, is that Giorno didn't take the arrow to Florida, thus making him unable to use Requiem.
Short explanation because something something fate and the plot requieres it.
Ger protects giorno, Not the universe.
@@Amsel_616 I always though ger was permanent. Huh that’s interesting
Not attacking Giorno therefore it does not activate
as soon as giorno / ger were hit by infinite rotation each of their cells would spin infinitely so i felt like it wouldve gone differently
thats just my interpretation though, love the animation !
1:50 blud thinks that GER is temporary
In the Anime, GER seemed to have been permanent.
But in the original Manga, the arrow actually fell from GE after he put Diavolo into the infinite death loop.
@@ICTON123Well, the arrow was also dropped from berserk Silver Chariot Requiem, although it wasn't turned back to Silver Chariot
thank you *so much* for still using GER's OG voice from ASB, its still the best version
3:13 Jonny activates his persona
yesterday i was wondering "oh this guy hasnt uploaded in a whole" next thing i see you have uploaded
Remember 0 x infinity always equals 0
What's multiplication got to do with this fight?
@@Devonte-w8o Because GER can return to ZERO
@@pedrohenriquemedeirosmacha9696 what are you trying to say?
@@Devonte-w8o even if you go up to infinity, it just dosen't matter since GER's ability is literally RETURNING TO ZERO
@@pedrohenriquemedeirosmacha9696 where not talking math formulas. Tusk has the ability to keep going no matter what and ger can prevent it and counter. I'm not so brain dead that you need to repeat RETURN TO ZERO like that. It would seem that they both beat eachother
THIS WAS FIRE!!!!! BRO THE ANIMATION!!! CHEFS KISS!!! THE STORY WAS SO GOOD! AND THE FIGHT ITSELF WAS AMAZING!!! PLEASE MAKE A PART 2 TO THIS WHERE THEY LIKE WORK WITH EACH OTHER TO DEFEAT PUCCI AND VALENTINE!!! THAT WOULD BE SIC!!!
How do I make videos like this?
Really nice battle man, I rlly felt like Johnny should of won but I can never be mad at your explanations and powerscaling
He wouldn’t win
This is a really good animation and I think it’s actually an accurate representation of what happens if Jonny Joestar tried to fight G.E.R ( spoiler alert: he’s not winning) and that’s because return to zero will make anything you do useless thanks to the fact that G.E.R uses causality manipulation and that is when u would remove an effect and only leave a cause. Which is why Giorno won. Because he has the ultimate uno reverse card.
Won’t work still it would just remove the effect of the infinite rotation which would still leave the bullet which would one shot giorno
@@jaredwong-bynoe2750 ….he could literally just return to the point where Johnny hasn’t decided to shoot his nails and just beat him up from there
Also before you say anything about infinity not being able to be reverted it will always have a starting point before it becomes infinite
@@doctorhelth Problem is that rtz is a defense mechanic so it won’t work.Also reverting infinite won’t work because it would just keep going.Even johnny said himself that the only neutralizer to the infinite rotation is an clockwise or anticlockwise infinite rotation
@@jaredwong-bynoe2750 dude that’s because for Johnny that’s the only solution for them since it literally takes place in an alternate universe where rtz doesn’t exist for them cause if it did then it would have been one hella stupid move cause everything you do is meaningless and also Ger has its own consciousness, if it sees an attack that is coming it just would revert the attack as seen with Diavolo trying to deliver a hit to Giorno but being stopped by rtz
Ik Giorno is hella overrated but it doesn’t make his ability any less overpowered
@@doctorhelth that’s what i said.It’s a defense mechanism when giorno is indanger plus even then the only time giorno use rtz when he was attacking is eyes of heaven which is non canon
3:58 I always wonder why Giorno didn't start rotating right when Tusk hit Ger since Tusk is supposed to make you rotate indefinitely.
GER itself is pretty hard to hurt, given its sentience, and using the ability on itself to revert things of its choosing. (Like using rtz to put the effects back to a state where the stand isn't actually effected by the damage) Giorno is a different case tho.