4:40 _"if John Spartan doesn't bust in there so brashly then maybe the hostages would still be alive."_ But Simon Phoenix already killed the hostages long before John entered the building.
There's some debate about whether or not Phoenix was telling the truth about this given the forensic-related plothole this creates. Though there is a slight pre-fire possibility. But whether they died because of him or not, the point is, Spartan did bust into that building without hesitation when there could have been hostages in it. He did a thermal scan to be fair, but it's stated that he didn't follow protocol. So, should he have? Also, should he have been held criminally responsible for the deaths of the hostages (given that the state at least believed that they weren't dead when he went into the building)? The movie's version of 1996 says "yes".
Writer: Yes, Spartan should be held responsible. Producer: But what if the hostages were already dead? Writer: Doesn't matter. Producer: Why? Writer: So the movie can happen. Producer: Well okay then.
@@GenerationFilms he was innocent I was there they were dead I survived by going invisible my body heat disappears when I turn invisible so he’s innocent
Is it bad that I remember this movie singularly for Taco Bell actually being worse than rat burgers? I mean heck, I'm right now absolute down with the rat burgers, help a girl out
@@spiritusmundi70 Stephen Hawking: The Universe is in a nutshell. Libertarian: I don't care for the direction the Universe is going. I want out of this nutshell.
The one lesson the Demolition Man future doesn't remember is to learn from the past or it'll bite you in the backside. It's a lesson that many people in real life today have not learned.
@CritiqueThis Guns & More Basically they look at what didn't work and go "I can make it work" by doing the very same things that caused it to fail in the first place. They're a special level of dumb
When Edgar Friendly said "I want high cholesterol, I wanna eat bacon, burgers, and buckets of cheese" he wasn't stating he wanted a bad diet, he was advocating the ability to have the choice to make bad personal decisions (that obviously don't fall in the realm of obvious crime like murder, rape or theft) without the government trying to punish him for it.
The second half of that is more to the point: Cocteau's way is a 47yr old virgin in beige pajamas drinking a banana-brocolli shake singing I'm an Oscar Mayer weiner.
One thing to note is that the hostages at the beginning were dead already. Phoenix killed them beforehand, which is why they didn't show up on the thermal scan and Spartan assumed they weren't there.
One flaw I feel I should point out is that there should have been some forensics that helped defend spartan. For example it should have been possible to determine approx TOD or tell that the hostages were already dead before...there had to be some mostly intact bodies.
@@ryank5424 probably the bomb didn't leave much for forensics to identify the cause of death and They wanted to stop Spartan's macho men cop bravado anyway so they probably didn't even do a proper forensic investigation the bodies blow up and Spartan was partly responsible. Spartan probably felt responsible too not seeing Phoenix's trick.
@@Libikuroi "All right then," said the savage defiantly, I'm claiming the right to be unhappy." "Not to mention the right to grow old and ugly and impotent; the right to have syphilis and cancer; the right to have too little to eat, the right to be lousy; the right to live in constant apprehension of what may happen tomorrow; the right to catch typhoid; the right to be tortured by unspeakable pains of every kind." There was a long silence. "I claim them all," said the Savage at last. "
What happens when the warrior and the enemy are the same person though? The police are not there to maintain the peace, they are there to maintain the status quo. Their bosses are funded and controlled by the wealthy who have donated to them to buy their services. Police are given quota to fill to justify their budgets. This drives them to looking for anyone they can arrest to fill that quota. The trouble there being that if they select someone with connections to powerful figures, such as the son of judge or another cop or just wealthy enough to grease the higher ups well thats a problem. So these police go to low income areas because its much less likely that a poor person, someone living on or below the poverty line is going to have a connection that would get them into trouble. We know this is true because retired police have come out and admitted to it. So yeah no one loves the warrior when the warrior is the enemy.
@@Crypto-Legendthats not the only thing about to go back the the 1700s, actually much further back than that. Civilisation going to collapse once fossil fuel induced climate change hits considering the current course and amount of denialist indoctrinated useful idiots on the right.
Watched this and the fifth element in cinemas in my mid teens and I love both. The great bright visuals and fun feels have made them a yearly watch at least
@@GenerationFilms both having big action stars doing more light heated spins on their established roles with beautiful, lovable, goofy lead ladies helped
Hey Amirecan Ben, I know you are disappointed about the copyright thing, but this video was great and very watchable. Thank you bro! Don't avoid WB movies if you have something to say. I really appreciated this essay.
Movie criticts are as important as free press for society. It show’ssa where movies gives as ideas to think and also show those that are just mindless mess! So these videos are important. I don`t agree everything haet is said in this, but i agree that the ideas in here need some time to think about! And that is what these videos are good for. Make people think in their own brains.
It's sad when contented creators get hit with copyright strikes over videos that clearly fall under fair use. It's even worse that TH-cam doesn't support its content and allows these copyright strikes to go through, not caring that the content creator is in the right because of fair use.
@@Riceball01 Especially over a 28 year old movie. It's not like they're making buckets of money with it. As he mentioned, a good review of a movie over 10 years old can boost the secondary market dvd/blue ray sales. Right now the only place I've even seen a copy is in the Walmart $1 bin.
The thing that I found strangest in this movie was that Koctow sent Simon Phoenix, a monster who enjoys killing people as a form of pleasure, against Eadger Friendly, a minor inconvenience The imagery of using an elephant gun against a mosquito doesn't quite do it justice
Thatis an excellent point, he had complete control of the prision population and access to all the police records, he could of picked someone way more controllable than Phoenix. Someone a hitman or enforcer, someone who wasn't basically a walking firewood display and mostly importantly easily motivated by money. It would of made sure the Scraps couldn't bribe Friendly's assassin and as an added bonus there would been no need thaw out Spartan. Of corse the obvious reason is the film would have been about 20 long and the intro would been pointless.
The thing is that an ordinary hitman probably wouldn't have been sent to the cryo prison We saw what did get sent there, Simon Phoenix, Jeffrey Dahlmer, Jessie Ventura They probably only the worst of the worst so a professional assassin wouldn't make the cut
A few hitman have committed enough murders to be sent to maximum security prison, funnily enough I remember reading about one who was a gang member from Los Angeles, he had a body count of 32. He probably wouldn't of went on to kill more because he was smart, he used disposable guns but he had a suppressor and would ambushed his target when he knew they would be alone. As nearly all of his victims were rival members of a different gangs so the killings weren't exactly well investigated, he only got caught because his boss ratted him. That idiot got caught murdering cop, so unsurprisingly he was looking at serious jail time, so he cut a deal, and he offered up the gangs best hitman. The jack-ass even had a black book with a list of names and dates, it was an insurance plan he had just in case the hitman every got an ideas about taking over the gang. Edit: Spelling.
@@chaosreaver3597 I'm talking about truly horrible people though, people like Hitler without the Nazis to back him up Or Pol Pot, Idi Amin, all of the genocidal dictators types who never had armies behind them but did these horrendous acts alone Jeffrey Dahlmer is an excellent example of that kind of monster in human form and a cryo prison would be the perfect place to put them (if capital punishment was outlawed) You couldn't escape (Unless you're stupid enough to thaw them out for for some stupid reason) You wouldn't have to feed them or let them interact with other inmates, making monsters potentially worse than what they already are Correctional officers personnel numbers would be kept at a minimum, things like liberates, recreational facilities, "Yard time" would be eliminated It would be the greatest prison in the world for putting away the most despicable people in the world if you couldn't kill them for their crimes
You're making the assumption that Phoenix was the only operative Koctow had. In the movie it's hinted that things got really bad politically, economically, socially, etcetera; yet, Koctow dispassionate attitude towards it all when he discussed this time period at Taco Bell always gave me the impression of an underlying "all according to plan" vibe. I've often wondered how much strife had been caused or exasperated by him. Especially since Koctow's society parallels the antichrist's rule in the Book of Revelations.
This movie predicted so much. Handheld tablets with skype calls. GPS in cars. Searching the Internet. Retinal Scanners. Wifi. Enforced Censorship of free speech. Zoom meetings at work places. Mostly everyone seems to have a phone or tablet. Majority of the people are homeless and not rich enough to live in California. Food franchise wars. Self driving cars. Biometric implants. Voice activated appliances. Wall to wall mini-tunes, is tiktok. No party zones. No contact sports. Banning of cigarettes. And people offended by everything. But then it gets creepy. In 2005. A man named Scott Peterson killed his wife. And went to prison. In the cryogenic prison scene, the female voice announces the prisoner name Peterson, Scott.
There was another show that came out about the same time as movie did I wish I could remember the name of it but they also in that show talked about Arnold Schwarzenegger being the governor of California and then being the president of America.
@@orangutantapioca1530 I bet how they presented in demolition man would happen if Arnold gain enough popularity......oh wait he had enough popularity so instead of changing law they messed his career as a politician instead :P
@@James-bw4np neither taco jingle or Wandy is around here neither back then so I highly doubt they can win the franchise war when their franchise was not even reached to other continents. To the point Demolition Man was released with Pizza Hut dub and sign in my country and similar franchises in other countries as well.
I've heard this same complaint from several people who've done synopsis of this movie. He actually ended up getting to show the most footage I've seen on YT.
Yes, bad dietary habits kill a lot of people, but he didn't say "I want people to eat bacon and buckets of cheese" he said "I want to eat bacon and buckets of cheese". He is not forcing anybody to have an unhealthy diet, nor is he forcing anybody to have a healthy diet, he is advocating that people should have the right to decide for themselves what kind of diet they want.
YASSSSSSS!!!! Demolition Man & The 5th Element have & still remain on our top shelf in my family!!! My kids are now 31,28,25 & 22 so you can be sure some random line from either of these treasures winds up in messages (sometimes in person)-- Starship Troopers would also be up on that shelf- i truly can not count how many times we've watched these over almost 30 years, it would be insane! My oldest son shared Demolition Man w my daughter-in-law a few months ago & she joined our cult immediately!! Thanks for making me feel so much less weird about movies that are burned into my soul!!!
Your intro made me think you'd have a lot less footage then you ended up showing. This is still a good video! Keep up the great work! You definitely deserve more views!
It's good v evil where the supposed good runs rampant. A world without balance where the good becomes the evil because there is no light without the dark to define it.
Actually, the hostages that Simon Phoenix had were presumably killed by the explosion! But when John Spartan met up with Simon Phoenix in the future, it was revealed that Simon had set up John to take the fall for those hostages' deaths, & all were already dead before the explosion occurred!
Phenomenal brother. This to is in my top 5 at least. Never thought too much on though. You just gave a whole new level of depth. You just got another sub.
I really enjoyed that! Plus I love that film! I think you are absolutely right that in this time frame right now we are somewhere in the middle which gives us a thought provoking view of both sides.
It's probably easier because they can go out of state and buy it if they really need it. And most criminals, at least the smart ones, don't commit crimes where they live. As they say - don't shit where you sleep and eat where you shit. You can look at Europe - most cops don't even carry guns in EASTERN EUROPE. And we're far from the utopia that America is gun crime is statistically significantly lower than in America. And yes, "hurr durr knives in London" even knife crime is higher in America.
I saw this film on Netflix and just started watching it and it was great, then I went on TH-cam and saw this and it’s great. So sorry about the backlash from WB American Ben but you and and the whole Generation team are all great. Thanks for posting good content which nowadays is hard to find
Demolition Man is one of my fav movies. It was one of the few that if you stumbled across while channel surfing you always stayed to watch it finish. And boy did it get played on a LOT of channels and fairly often too.
@@GenerationFilms that's because the setting is believable. The society in Demolition Man arose out of a need for peace and stability after the horrific chaos in the films 1990's, most likely inspired by the very real LA riots from '92, so it was not much of a stretch. Plus they didn't go overboard in terms of technology in the film, the tech is slightly more modern and elegant but mostly an iteration on existing tech in the 90s (as opposed to the flying cars and tacky fashion style in Back to the Future II).
It's nice to know someone else out there sees the connection between the way the world is and the way is betrayed in old movies. As the world news towards one side and away from the other causing an imbalance that can tend to destroy the entire world.
I have always said...I AM MULLETMAN fear my glorious hair and fists...since 2003 atleast lmao was 13 then...and yes my fists have come up to obstinate foes...usually we become friends after though hahaha such is life.
Caffiene, Chocolate, Alcohol, and Spicy Foods in moderation are actually all in fact very good for you. Caffeine and alcohol, both in small quantities daily are good for heart and digestive health, spicy foods help with maintaining a healthy weight, and chocolate has a myriad of benefits including heart health, digestive healthy, antioxidants, mood elevation, brain function, energy, immune system boost, and so much more.
One of my favorites movies too even though I haven't seen it for a while. You brought up some interesting points that never occurred to me when I watched it.
@@SubtleAmbition yeah...but which came first the ban on weapons or the society that is obediently not using them..I would say the ban was first. And if thats the case the there were still people who were willing to use weapons for which a oversight of not rendering them inoperable them is pretty big.
Later in the movie Simon reveals to John that the hostages in the beginning were already dead. He used Spartans brashness against him and framed him for those 30 murder death kills.
You are fine, don't apologize for the company that tried to sue people for singing happy birthday. YOU are better than that. thank you for your content
"Demolition Dude", is probably a prequel to "Idiocracy", which would mean Sir John Spartan the First is also the Last, because he won against raging chaos, but fell prey to uprising stupidity 😂
Same here I wish my copy on VHS never got eaten when trying to rewind it because I love Demolition Man I'm about to buy the Blu Ray disc for my birthday next month
Spartan is a good cop, with good sense of morals and a good grasp of pragmatic ethics. Sometimes you've gotta kick ass. Sometimes, you should take care of people who need help.
Loved it... good review! Wish we could see the version American Ben wanted to show... another darned good video is "The Politics of Demolition Man" by Carl Benjamin, aka Sargon of Akkad! 😆
such an awesiomew breakdown ... just got introduced to you channel ... its unfortunate WB flagged the orinigakll videos ... would have loved to hear all the snipets ... this was one of my favorite movies of my chiuldhood
Point of clarity; Edgar isn't saying that he personally has the desire to kill a bunch of people or eat boat loads of unhealthy foods, he's expressing a desire to choose. He ends that whole monologue by saying "I wanna run down the street naked, covered in Jell-O, singing 'I'm an Oscar Meyer weiner.' Why? Because I just might feel the need to." Which connects to your whole thesis, I think, really nicely. He sees the cracks in society, and he is a little off balance, but all he wants if for people to have the freedom of choice. That's why John isn't hard on the scraps. He respects their philosophy, because he shares it. Also, unrelated, I have this movie on VHS but in college I got it digitally and it's an edit that replaces all instances of Taco Bell with Pizza Hut. I think it might have been a regional thing but I'm not sure. It's definitely weird
I’m not gonna lie: when I clicked on this video I thought I was going to finally get an explanation of ‘the three seashells’ Either way, how applicable is this video right now?!
@@ramdomstash32 I watched this movie in the theater when it first came out. The restaurant they go to in the future was a Taco Bell not Pizza Hut. The partnership between Taco Bell and Pizza Hut ended shortly after they originally released this movie. In all the versions I have seen on TV since then it’s Pizza Hut not Taco Bell.
"HURTING people is not a good thing: well sometimes it is" reporter: "How can you justify the destruction of a $40 million dollar mini mall for a girls who's ransom was only $45 thousand dollars?" Little girl:" 'F' you lady" John spartan: "good answer" Phoenix: "that's who you remind me of. An evil Mr rogers"
paused @4:46 to say Phoenix tells Spartan later in the film that the hostages were dead for hours before he arrived; So no they would just be less sploded.
The point of contention with that is that the coroner's would have been able to tell that they didn't die in the explosion. No site of any massacre would ever just be assumed to be what it looks like without further investigation. They would at least examine the bodies intact enough to be examined.
Violence is as messy situation. That mess is not always physical in nature. I think Spartan used just what he had to to subdue the threats. Sometimes the threat created a situation with no clean outcome
Violence rarely has a clean outcome. There are very few clear cut cases of good vs evil. Spartan is someone who thrives in the grey area, like most protectors do. He uses violence as a means to protect people from the violent criminals who would prey upon them.
Hello Generation Films I loved Demolition Man when I saw it, too, though I was maybe too young to get the finer points of it (I think I was 13 when I watched it on skiing vacation in Austria it was on in the evening, and yes, I watched it in German). I agree with your analysis of the Film in General though the setting itself is rather Utopian - which serves the purpose of the film so I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it's not very realistic. Even in the humanly best society possible (currently Norway and Iceland) LEO's still train with firearms and carry them openly (though they couldn't stop Anders Breivik from killing 77 people). Now, Iceland and Norway have very little violent crime but as you've pointed out, humans always have a manic element that can lead to violence following little to no provocation, so armed and trained police will likely always be necessary. The scraps could probably easily overthrow the government with their violent tendencies even without firearms, because they pretty much constantly practice fighting and are physically superior to anyone topside (except for John Spartan and Simon Phoenix). All they lack are numbers, and apparently, imagination and motivation, a galvanizing force. On the matter of balance in society, I believe it is important to let people decide if they want fun (without harming others) or health, though those aren't always mutually exclusive. In fact, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, and that movie has a very unhealthy ending... But everyone needs to decide for themselves how much of either side they need, for whatever goal they have in life. Btw I don't consider consenting adults pounding each other with their fists harming each other. I practiced martial arts and instruct self defense and resistive training is important for both, and that usually entails physically hurting one another (moderately)
I still wanna know TWO things about what happend before and in the movie: 1. What are the "Franchise Wars"? Did every big Franchise got their own soldiers and fought the other ones? Like McDonalds invaded Burger King while Taco Bell (or Pizza Hut for the International Movie) backstabbed KFC or something like this? 2. What are the 3 Seashells? And what happend to all the toilet paper?
Well, my guess for franchise war would be cities releasing a limited spot for certain restaurants as part of limiting too much branching of the same thing. It might backfire when the spots were sold in the black market just like a stock market bribery and certain politicians backing certain brands might instigate it into a stock war. Adding franchise shop owners switching sides might put the last nail to the coffin. For 3 seashells there were many explanations for it and paper probably became a higher commodity than something reusable.
Sorry, but I seemed to have missed the part where you covered the "secrets" in this film and explained them. All I got from this was scenes played out from the film and then comparing your views of society of today with that of the movies future society. Sure, nothing wrong with that, but why title this the way you did?
4:40 _"if John Spartan doesn't bust in there so brashly then maybe the hostages would still be alive."_
But Simon Phoenix already killed the hostages long before John entered the building.
There's some debate about whether or not Phoenix was telling the truth about this given the forensic-related plothole this creates. Though there is a slight pre-fire possibility. But whether they died because of him or not, the point is, Spartan did bust into that building without hesitation when there could have been hostages in it. He did a thermal scan to be fair, but it's stated that he didn't follow protocol. So, should he have? Also, should he have been held criminally responsible for the deaths of the hostages (given that the state at least believed that they weren't dead when he went into the building)? The movie's version of 1996 says "yes".
Writer: Yes, Spartan should be held responsible.
Producer: But what if the hostages were already dead?
Writer: Doesn't matter.
Producer: Why?
Writer: So the movie can happen.
Producer: Well okay then.
@@USmerica wow, wow, wow, wow!
@@GenerationFilms he was innocent I was there they were dead I survived by going invisible my body heat disappears when I turn invisible so he’s innocent
It was made quite clear that they were already dead and Spartan was set up by Phoenix.
The real philosophical mystery of this movie was the 3 sea shells...
You don't know how to use the sea shells? Lolz
@@isaacgriffin5690 🤣👌
Indeed 😁
Truth
There's nan article that explains it. & its NASTY. 🤮
"I wanna eat bacon and buckets of cheese".... And don't want society telling me what I can and can't do.
The Original Gamer. Move over Joker.
Is it bad that I remember this movie singularly for Taco Bell actually being worse than rat burgers? I mean heck, I'm right now absolute down with the rat burgers, help a girl out
The precursor of "The guberment can't make me wear a mask!"
@Starfall 21X no... A libertarian in a nutshell would say "who put me in this nutshell, it's so cramped inside this nutshell".
@@spiritusmundi70
Stephen Hawking: The Universe is in a nutshell.
Libertarian: I don't care for the direction the Universe is going. I want out of this nutshell.
Even Simon Phoenix is disgusted by Cocteau's vision of a new world. to quote him "You can't take people's right to be assholes"
A villain had rarely been so right.
But the Karen's of the world would like to disagree in a joy joy kind of way.
Even evil has standards. Best trope ever.
@@mulrooneyfamily7502 but they need the freedom to be an asshole or they have to stop.
In my country, if we exercised as much as we exercise our right to be assholes -- we would not be #1 in type II diabetes.
The one lesson the Demolition Man future doesn't remember is to learn from the past or it'll bite you in the backside. It's a lesson that many people in real life today have not learned.
Humans are notoriously poor students in this area.
@CritiqueThis Guns & More welp, we're getting another lesson on that presently.
How can they learn the lesson when they're too busy shutting any criticism down with "okay, Boomer!"
@CritiqueThis Guns & More Basically they look at what didn't work and go "I can make it work" by doing the very same things that caused it to fail in the first place. They're a special level of dumb
Forgetting the past.
When Edgar Friendly said "I want high cholesterol, I wanna eat bacon, burgers, and buckets of cheese" he wasn't stating he wanted a bad diet, he was advocating the ability to have the choice to make bad personal decisions (that obviously don't fall in the realm of obvious crime like murder, rape or theft) without the government trying to punish him for it.
Nah, that was Dennis Leary reminding the director of the riders in his contract.
The second half of that is more to the point:
Cocteau's way is a 47yr old virgin in beige pajamas drinking a banana-brocolli shake singing I'm an Oscar Mayer weiner.
Why the hell does no one mention running naked covered in green jello🤣🤣
@@jamesmichael5 one of my favorite lines..."Why? Because I might feel the need"😂
It s fine as long as you can't depend on public resources for assistance when poor diet and decisions come knocking lol
This movie seems to get better as it age
That's cos these days big budget studios chase big budget explosions and action sequences
Because the movie is quickly becoming a documentary
80%of the movie is reality today. Only like 3 missing pieces to make it a 100% prediction
I think you should write a spin off series about cocteaus little fat gay friend. An underrated character with a great hair cut
One thing to note is that the hostages at the beginning were dead already. Phoenix killed them beforehand, which is why they didn't show up on the thermal scan and Spartan assumed they weren't there.
A key point indeed, but one of several inaccuracies and misrepresentations in his presentation. I think actually watching the movie would help.
One flaw I feel I should point out is that there should have been some forensics that helped defend spartan. For example it should have been possible to determine approx TOD or tell that the hostages were already dead before...there had to be some mostly intact bodies.
@@ryank5424 probably the bomb didn't leave much for forensics to identify the cause of death and They wanted to stop Spartan's macho men cop bravado anyway so they probably didn't even do a proper forensic investigation the bodies blow up and Spartan was partly responsible. Spartan probably felt responsible too not seeing Phoenix's trick.
If the bodies were too much burn and mangled, it would have been too difficult to determine how and when they died.
Maybe Cocteau had some hand in his sentencing?
"But I don't want comfort! I want God! I want Poetry! I want real danger! I want Freedom! I want Goodness! I want Sin!"
"you're claiming the right to be unhappy."
@@Libikuroi "All right then," said the savage defiantly, I'm claiming the right to be unhappy."
"Not to mention the right to grow old and ugly and impotent; the right to have syphilis and cancer; the right to have too little to eat, the right to be lousy; the right to live in constant apprehension of what may happen tomorrow; the right to catch typhoid; the right to be tortured by unspeakable pains of every kind."
There was a long silence.
"I claim them all," said the Savage at last. "
No one loves the warrior until the enemy is at your gate.
And once the enemy is dealt with they are despised again
100% both of you. Sadly, its the reality.
I agree 1,000% accurate both of you!
insert Stallone's "nothing is over" monologue in First Blood
What happens when the warrior and the enemy are the same person though?
The police are not there to maintain the peace, they are there to maintain the status quo. Their bosses are funded and controlled by the wealthy who have donated to them to buy their services.
Police are given quota to fill to justify their budgets. This drives them to looking for anyone they can arrest to fill that quota. The trouble there being that if they select someone with connections to powerful figures, such as the son of judge or another cop or just wealthy enough to grease the higher ups well thats a problem. So these police go to low income areas because its much less likely that a poor person, someone living on or below the poverty line is going to have a connection that would get them into trouble.
We know this is true because retired police have come out and admitted to it. So yeah no one loves the warrior when the warrior is the enemy.
John Spartan....a true American. Great movie.
Simon Phoenix is even more American
We are literally 11 years away from this becoming a reality.
And well on the way.
I have a feeling it won't take that long
Lmao Don't worry the right is about to wipe out the libs. Welcome back to the liberties of the 1700s. ;)
It's a reality now
@@Crypto-Legendthats not the only thing about to go back the the 1700s, actually much further back than that. Civilisation going to collapse once fossil fuel induced climate change hits considering the current course and amount of denialist indoctrinated useful idiots on the right.
I'm 100% convinced Bungie named the Master Chief in HALO after John Spartan. Master chiefs name is John, hes a Spartan. John Spartan.
That's actually the reason, it's a bit of fun trivia in the halo community 😇
Oh neat
Oh wow didn't know that now I am a fan
I liked when Edgar says
"I'm no leader, I just do what I have to and sometimes people come with me."
It shows his disdain for authority
Friendly is basically a free spirited anarchist...
Watched this and the fifth element in cinemas in my mid teens and I love both. The great bright visuals and fun feels have made them a yearly watch at least
Exactly. Sounds simple but it's so true. They're bright, happy, and fun.
@@GenerationFilms both having big action stars doing more light heated spins on their established roles with beautiful, lovable, goofy lead ladies helped
I just have to say, Wesley Snipes tire armour is by far the best use of old tires to date!
WB: "Why do people hate us?"
Also WB : ~copyright strikes and claims everything fraudulently~
Hey Amirecan Ben, I know you are disappointed about the copyright thing, but this video was great and very watchable. Thank you bro! Don't avoid WB movies if you have something to say. I really appreciated this essay.
Thx Jake, means a lot.
Movie criticts are as important as free press for society. It show’ssa where movies gives as ideas to think and also show those that are just mindless mess! So these videos are important. I don`t agree everything haet is said in this, but i agree that the ideas in here need some time to think about! And that is what these videos are good for. Make people think in their own brains.
It's sad when contented creators get hit with copyright strikes over videos that clearly fall under fair use. It's even worse that TH-cam doesn't support its content and allows these copyright strikes to go through, not caring that the content creator is in the right because of fair use.
@@Riceball01 Especially over a 28 year old movie. It's not like they're making buckets of money with it. As he mentioned, a good review of a movie over 10 years old can boost the secondary market dvd/blue ray sales. Right now the only place I've even seen a copy is in the Walmart $1 bin.
Please continue these reviews to help keep studios from producing propaganda to push their desired social changes.
The thing that I found strangest in this movie was that Koctow sent Simon Phoenix, a monster who enjoys killing people as a form of pleasure, against Eadger Friendly, a minor inconvenience
The imagery of using an elephant gun against a mosquito doesn't quite do it justice
Thatis an excellent point, he had complete control of the prision population and access to all the police records, he could of picked someone way more controllable than Phoenix. Someone a hitman or enforcer, someone who wasn't basically a walking firewood display and mostly importantly easily motivated by money. It would of made sure the Scraps couldn't bribe Friendly's assassin and as an added bonus there would been no need thaw out Spartan. Of corse the obvious reason is the film would have been about 20 long and the intro would been pointless.
The thing is that an ordinary hitman probably wouldn't have been sent to the cryo prison
We saw what did get sent there, Simon Phoenix, Jeffrey Dahlmer, Jessie Ventura
They probably only the worst of the worst so a professional assassin wouldn't make the cut
A few hitman have committed enough murders to be sent to maximum security prison, funnily enough I remember reading about one who was a gang member from Los Angeles, he had a body count of 32. He probably wouldn't of went on to kill more because he was smart, he used disposable guns but he had a suppressor and would ambushed his target when he knew they would be alone. As nearly all of his victims were rival members of a different gangs so the killings weren't exactly well investigated, he only got caught because his boss ratted him. That idiot got caught murdering cop, so unsurprisingly he was looking at serious jail time, so he cut a deal, and he offered up the gangs best hitman. The jack-ass even had a black book with a list of names and dates, it was an insurance plan he had just in case the hitman every got an ideas about taking over the gang.
Edit: Spelling.
@@chaosreaver3597 I'm talking about truly horrible people though, people like Hitler without the Nazis to back him up
Or Pol Pot, Idi Amin, all of the genocidal dictators types who never had armies behind them but did these horrendous acts alone
Jeffrey Dahlmer is an excellent example of that kind of monster in human form and a cryo prison would be the perfect place to put them (if capital punishment was outlawed)
You couldn't escape (Unless you're stupid enough to thaw them out for for some stupid reason)
You wouldn't have to feed them or let them interact with other inmates, making monsters potentially worse than what they already are
Correctional officers personnel numbers would be kept at a minimum, things like liberates, recreational facilities, "Yard time" would be eliminated
It would be the greatest prison in the world for putting away the most despicable people in the world if you couldn't kill them for their crimes
You're making the assumption that Phoenix was the only operative Koctow had. In the movie it's hinted that things got really bad politically, economically, socially, etcetera; yet, Koctow dispassionate attitude towards it all when he discussed this time period at Taco Bell always gave me the impression of an underlying "all according to plan" vibe. I've often wondered how much strife had been caused or exasperated by him. Especially since Koctow's society parallels the antichrist's rule in the Book of Revelations.
rare fact a bad guy has a gun in ny...that was the funniest thing I ever heard
Yeah, that's not living in reality!
Just a little research can prove the reality.
I too chuckled when he said that it's difficult for criminals to break the law to get guns.
Simon Phoenix had already killed the hostages before Spartan got to the warehouse. It was all part of his plan to get at Spartan.
This movie predicted so much.
Handheld tablets with skype calls.
GPS in cars.
Searching the Internet.
Retinal Scanners.
Wifi.
Enforced Censorship of free speech.
Zoom meetings at work places.
Mostly everyone seems to have a phone or tablet.
Majority of the people are homeless and not rich enough to live in California.
Food franchise wars.
Self driving cars.
Biometric implants.
Voice activated appliances.
Wall to wall mini-tunes, is tiktok.
No party zones.
No contact sports.
Banning of cigarettes.
And people offended by everything.
But then it gets creepy.
In 2005. A man named Scott Peterson killed his wife. And went to prison.
In the cryogenic prison scene, the female voice announces the prisoner name Peterson, Scott.
Of all the futures we could have had ...we ended up in demolition man.
@@dreamlogic.v3390 I think we actually we ended up with a blend of Demolition Man and Idiocracy.
@@JustinLaFleur1990 When Schwarzenegger became governor for California, this film is the first thing I thought of :)
I forget, was Arnold mentioned in Demolition Man?
Prophetic visions perhaps,
"Arnold Swartzenegger got elected as the Governor of California..."
Man, they got this one right. :D
There was another show that came out about the same time as movie did I wish I could remember the name of it but they also in that show talked about Arnold Schwarzenegger being the governor of California and then being the president of America.
he would be president too if they didn't orchestrated a fall down for the guy.
@@Kangstor And due to the law preventing anyone not born a citizen of the US from holding the office of president.
@@orangutantapioca1530 I bet how they presented in demolition man would happen if Arnold gain enough popularity......oh wait he had enough popularity so instead of changing law they messed his career as a politician instead :P
@@Kangstor - Or maybe "they" didn't do anything, he just wasn't an amazing Governor. Not especially bad, but nothing to get excited about, either.
The most unrealistic thing in Demolition Man? The idea that Taco Ball would win the Franchise wars ( are you Fucking KIDDING ME?! )
Yeah! We all know Wendy's would win that war on Wit alone!
@@James-bw4np ... I mean, you're not wrong.
@@James-bw4np neither taco jingle or Wandy is around here neither back then so I highly doubt they can win the franchise war when their franchise was not even reached to other continents. To the point Demolition Man was released with Pizza Hut dub and sign in my country and similar franchises in other countries as well.
@@XR0075 probably Jamie Oliver won a bigger fight in that alternative reality :P
We all know who really wins the franchise war the way were currently going...
"Carl's Jr....Fuck you, I'm eating!"
This movie aged soo well. I love it.
John Spartan is the ideal American.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Maybe Warner Bros. doesn't deserve a video by you, if they treat you like that!
edit: Ben realized that himself. Great guy!
I've heard this same complaint from several people who've done synopsis of this movie.
He actually ended up getting to show the most footage I've seen on YT.
Maybe they’re thinking about making a modern remake of this movie and don’t want too much optics on the original?
Demolition man makes the future of the satirical authoritarian rulers in Starship troopers movie more realistic.
Yeah with social distancing its pretty close to where we don't touch each other.
@@jakelowang4132 yeah, they don't touch each other even in sex.
Yes, bad dietary habits kill a lot of people, but he didn't say "I want people to eat bacon and buckets of cheese" he said "I want to eat bacon and buckets of cheese". He is not forcing anybody to have an unhealthy diet, nor is he forcing anybody to have a healthy diet, he is advocating that people should have the right to decide for themselves what kind of diet they want.
Or as we wise Pagans say Do what ye will but harm none...
YASSSSSSS!!!! Demolition Man & The 5th Element have & still remain on our top shelf in my family!!! My kids are now 31,28,25 & 22 so you can be sure some random line from either of these treasures winds up in messages (sometimes in person)-- Starship Troopers would also be up on that shelf- i truly can not count how many times we've watched these over almost 30 years, it would be insane! My oldest son shared Demolition Man w my daughter-in-law a few months ago & she joined our cult immediately!! Thanks for making me feel so much less weird about movies that are burned into my soul!!!
Your intro made me think you'd have a lot less footage then you ended up showing.
This is still a good video! Keep up the great work!
You definitely deserve more views!
It's good v evil where the supposed good runs rampant. A world without balance where the good becomes the evil because there is no light without the dark to define it.
One of my all-time favorite movies. Haven't watched since early 2000s time to rewatch!
Actually, the hostages that Simon Phoenix had were presumably killed by the explosion! But when John Spartan met up with Simon Phoenix in the future, it was revealed that Simon had set up John to take the fall for those hostages' deaths, & all were already dead before the explosion occurred!
But how did Simon know john would rush in, what if it had been another officer.
@@bharatkrishna7082 Bingo! Simon could have just told Spartan that in the future to get a rise out of him, knowing he lost his family.
Phenomenal brother. This to is in my top 5 at least. Never thought too much on though. You just gave a whole new level of depth. You just got another sub.
I really enjoyed that! Plus I love that film! I think you are absolutely right that in this time frame right now we are somewhere in the middle which gives us a thought provoking view of both sides.
Simón Phoenix said it himself that "the hostages were already dead! Cold as haagen dazs" i think was the actual line
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It is much easier for criminals to get guns in NYC than law abiding citizens. That's how you know it's wrong.
Thats what I was thinking
It's probably easier because they can go out of state and buy it if they really need it.
And most criminals, at least the smart ones, don't commit crimes where they live. As they say - don't shit where you sleep and eat where you shit.
You can look at Europe - most cops don't even carry guns in EASTERN EUROPE. And we're far from the utopia that America is
gun crime is statistically significantly lower than in America. And yes, "hurr durr knives in London" even knife crime is higher in America.
Your thinking is wrong. @@tnshanobighost6749
I've seen this move a million times. One of my favs as a kid so continue
I saw this film on Netflix and just started watching it and it was great, then I went on TH-cam and saw this and it’s great. So sorry about the backlash from WB American Ben but you and and the whole Generation team are all great. Thanks for posting good content which nowadays is hard to find
Thx Luca, yeah sorry about the opening, I was just super frustrated and maybe a bit exhausted.
Demolition Man is one of my fav movies. It was one of the few that if you stumbled across while channel surfing you always stayed to watch it finish. And boy did it get played on a LOT of channels and fairly often too.
Great video. Sucks you couldn't do what you wanted. This is one of my all time favorite movies
Yeah, the movie is so good and it just never gets old or feels dated.
@@GenerationFilms that's because the setting is believable. The society in Demolition Man arose out of a need for peace and stability after the horrific chaos in the films 1990's, most likely inspired by the very real LA riots from '92, so it was not much of a stretch. Plus they didn't go overboard in terms of technology in the film, the tech is slightly more modern and elegant but mostly an iteration on existing tech in the 90s (as opposed to the flying cars and tacky fashion style in Back to the Future II).
It's nice to know someone else out there sees the connection between the way the world is and the way is betrayed in old movies. As the world news towards one side and away from the other causing an imbalance that can tend to destroy the entire world.
I agree with everything this guy says about the movie. It's amazing how relevant DM is today. Especially the "Schwarzenegger Presidential Library".
We are probably going to end up living this future.
Like this... minus the utopia. More 1984.
@@stevet1396 And the proper response to "1984" is 1776!
MOLON LABE!
We used to say, "I am Spartacus!" Now..."I am John Spartan!"
@Rogue Jedi Lighten up, Francis.
@Rogue Jedi yup
I have always said...I AM MULLETMAN fear my glorious hair and fists...since 2003 atleast lmao was 13 then...and yes my fists have come up to obstinate foes...usually we become friends after though hahaha such is life.
@Rogue Jedi JOHN-117 SPARTAN HAS A REVELATION FOR YOU SONNY.
@Rogue Jedi you spelled 117 wrong...
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One of my favorites movies too even though I haven't seen it for a while. You brought up some interesting points that never occurred to me when I watched it.
One of my favorite videos by your channel. Keep being brave and intellectually honest!
Dang it!!!! 3:30 minutes in and I almost thought you’d get away without bringing up the expanse. ❤️
😂😂You caught it!
one of the dumb things is that firearm phenix found was not rendered inoperable...
@@SubtleAmbition sure. but when they banned the guns and removed them from society...that wasn't the case...
@@SubtleAmbition yeah...but which came first the ban on weapons or the society that is obediently not using them..I would say the ban was first. And if thats the case the there were still people who were willing to use weapons for which a oversight of not rendering them inoperable them is pretty big.
That was part of the plan to arm Phoenix by the tyrant at the head of that society.
@@stratometal Well that makes a little more sense than that the tyrant was just careless...
4:47 Stallone's paw makes that Beretta 92 look comically small.
I love these sci-fi movies of the 90s
Later in the movie Simon reveals to John that the hostages in the beginning were already dead. He used Spartans brashness against him and framed him for those 30 murder death kills.
You are fine, don't apologize for the company that tried to sue people for singing happy birthday. YOU are better than that. thank you for your content
"Demolition Dude", is probably a prequel to "Idiocracy", which would mean Sir John Spartan the First is also the Last, because he won against raging chaos, but fell prey to uprising stupidity 😂
You know, I think you got something there...
I had Demolition Man on VHS with the original box art when I was a teen. I'm 23
Same here I wish my copy on VHS never got eaten when trying to rewind it because I love Demolition Man I'm about to buy the Blu Ray disc for my birthday next month
Spartan is a good cop, with good sense of morals and a good grasp of pragmatic ethics. Sometimes you've gotta kick ass. Sometimes, you should take care of people who need help.
Loved it... good review! Wish we could see the version American Ben wanted to show... another darned good video is "The Politics of Demolition Man" by Carl Benjamin, aka Sargon of Akkad! 😆
demo man gets more and more accurate every year
such an awesiomew breakdown ... just got introduced to you channel ... its unfortunate WB flagged the orinigakll videos ... would have loved to hear all the snipets ... this was one of my favorite movies of my chiuldhood
Sadly I think the world seems like going to a world such as the one in Demolition Man.
It is. Thought police are at our door and every corner.
This movie is one of my favorites
I really have to give ya credit for your taste in movies so far. Demolition Man, 5th Element and Starship Troopers are my favorite '90s movies.
Loves it, now off to watch Demolition Man again :)
Prophetic movie.
"I'm tired as hell and going to balance myself with some sleep"...as I'm watching this at 4am🤣🤣
Love the breakdown.. Cuz my uncle looks just like Wesley Snipes 😆
What!!!!????
Absolutely 100% enjoyed it makes a lot of sense and brings things down to earth
Unless you can explain the 3 seashells, I don't know what we're doing here.....
Depository
Point of clarity; Edgar isn't saying that he personally has the desire to kill a bunch of people or eat boat loads of unhealthy foods, he's expressing a desire to choose. He ends that whole monologue by saying "I wanna run down the street naked, covered in Jell-O, singing 'I'm an Oscar Meyer weiner.' Why? Because I just might feel the need to." Which connects to your whole thesis, I think, really nicely. He sees the cracks in society, and he is a little off balance, but all he wants if for people to have the freedom of choice. That's why John isn't hard on the scraps. He respects their philosophy, because he shares it. Also, unrelated, I have this movie on VHS but in college I got it digitally and it's an edit that replaces all instances of Taco Bell with Pizza Hut. I think it might have been a regional thing but I'm not sure. It's definitely weird
Demolition Man was a prophecy.
I still watched the hole thing your professionalism more than makes up for the fact you have your hands tied keep up the good work
I’m not gonna lie: when I clicked on this video I thought I was going to finally get an explanation of ‘the three seashells’
Either way, how applicable is this video right now?!
LOL!
Sandra Bullock stole my heart in this film. I was 13 years old and my hormones were raging!
Fun fact, that futuristic Taco Bell is the cafeteria of the place I work at now
In the rest of the world version it's pizza hut not taco bell
@@ramdomstash32
I watched this movie in the theater when it first came out. The restaurant they go to in the future was a Taco Bell not Pizza Hut. The partnership between Taco Bell and Pizza Hut ended shortly after they originally released this movie. In all the versions I have seen on TV since then it’s Pizza Hut not Taco Bell.
@@Scape3183 I have 2 versions of this movie one with the restaurant being taco bell and one with it being pizza hut
"HURTING people is not a good thing: well sometimes it is"
reporter: "How can you justify the destruction of a $40 million dollar mini mall for a girls who's ransom was only $45 thousand dollars?"
Little girl:" 'F' you lady"
John spartan: "good answer"
Phoenix: "that's who you remind me of. An evil Mr rogers"
paused @4:46 to say Phoenix tells Spartan later in the film that the hostages were dead for hours before he arrived; So no they would just be less sploded.
The point of contention with that is that the coroner's would have been able to tell that they didn't die in the explosion. No site of any massacre would ever just be assumed to be what it looks like without further investigation. They would at least examine the bodies intact enough to be examined.
"An armed society is a polite society."
Honestly, Ben, this is one of your best critiques. Bravo.
his a clown his a left winger
Violence is as messy situation. That mess is not always physical in nature. I think Spartan used just what he had to to subdue the threats. Sometimes the threat created a situation with no clean outcome
Violence rarely has a clean outcome. There are very few clear cut cases of good vs evil. Spartan is someone who thrives in the grey area, like most protectors do. He uses violence as a means to protect people from the violent criminals who would prey upon them.
Best movies ever ! Dude you're so right !!
I love this movie. I find myself saying the line "This fascist crap makes me want to puke" quite a lot lately.
Explain the 3 sea shells...all we NEED to know!!!!
Careful my friend. You're beginning to embrace the Grey of true Druidism. ;-) "Balance can only be achieved by exploring both extremes."
This is an excellent video regardless (or perhaps in spite of) copyright litigious sillyness. Keep 'em rolling American Ben.
Hello Generation Films I loved Demolition Man when I saw it, too, though I was maybe too young to get the finer points of it (I think I was 13 when I watched it on skiing vacation in Austria it was on in the evening, and yes, I watched it in German). I agree with your analysis of the Film in General though the setting itself is rather Utopian - which serves the purpose of the film so I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it's not very realistic. Even in the humanly best society possible (currently Norway and Iceland) LEO's still train with firearms and carry them openly (though they couldn't stop Anders Breivik from killing 77 people). Now, Iceland and Norway have very little violent crime but as you've pointed out, humans always have a manic element that can lead to violence following little to no provocation, so armed and trained police will likely always be necessary. The scraps could probably easily overthrow the government with their violent tendencies even without firearms, because they pretty much constantly practice fighting and are physically superior to anyone topside (except for John Spartan and Simon Phoenix). All they lack are numbers, and apparently, imagination and motivation, a galvanizing force.
On the matter of balance in society, I believe it is important to let people decide if they want fun (without harming others) or health, though those aren't always mutually exclusive. In fact, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, and that movie has a very unhealthy ending... But everyone needs to decide for themselves how much of either side they need, for whatever goal they have in life. Btw I don't consider consenting adults pounding each other with their fists harming each other. I practiced martial arts and instruct self defense and resistive training is important for both, and that usually entails physically hurting one another (moderately)
John Spartan is Judge Dredd without the helmet.
"I want sin !" will forever stay with me
We need Edgar Friendly, especially in this society
Generally John Spartan wasn’t using violence against “lawbreakers”, but against murderers.
Still a good video. Was telling a friend that this movie would make for a good reboot. Hopefully they settle the royalty issues.
I still wanna know TWO things about what happend before and in the movie:
1. What are the "Franchise Wars"? Did every big Franchise got their own soldiers and fought the other ones? Like McDonalds invaded Burger King while Taco Bell (or Pizza Hut for the International Movie) backstabbed KFC or something like this?
2. What are the 3 Seashells? And what happend to all the toilet paper?
(Looks back to the toilet paper shortage of 2020)
Well, my guess for franchise war would be cities releasing a limited spot for certain restaurants as part of limiting too much branching of the same thing. It might backfire when the spots were sold in the black market just like a stock market bribery and certain politicians backing certain brands might instigate it into a stock war. Adding franchise shop owners switching sides might put the last nail to the coffin.
For 3 seashells there were many explanations for it and paper probably became a higher commodity than something reusable.
Loving this series of videos!
Dr. Cocktoe looks like Dr. Fauci.
Thanks, i can't unsee it now..
The last Murder-Death-Kill was in 2010 in this movie in Los Angeles. So many words are getting in the way of a response
the uk version has pizza hut not tacobell as the winner
Indeed, that changed in the Aussie version as well. I believe it was because Taco Bell wasn't here at the time (it is now though).
Strange I'm in the UK never seen a pizza hut version? I saw it on VHS here and dvd always been Taco bell.
Once I heard the complement to 5th element I had to give a thumbs up.
Sorry, but I seemed to have missed the part where you covered the "secrets" in this film and explained them. All I got from this was scenes played out from the film and then comparing your views of society of today with that of the movies future society. Sure, nothing wrong with that, but why title this the way you did?
Worthy of some of sort college report! Great job dude!