TLDL: k-soul is fatphobic, has done culture appropriation, fakes his age, tried to pressure Kaeden into doing a sexy concept, being egocentric, being disrespectful to members/contestants/mentors, likening k-pop fans to DV victims, and being a snitch which is why people don’t like him
While you are in charge of destroying Ksoul again, he is working hard for his family to pay for his care of his father who had cancer and he is not interested in your opinions as long as he shows that he is a good son for his mother and good brother for little sister so you are the worst people for continuing to hate a person who lost his dad
@@berthajanethgonzalesticlla1727 first of all, stop commenting multiple times if you’re just gonna say the same thing over and over again. Second, I am not in charge of his hate campaign for making a video compiling all of his actions. I am EDUCATING PEOPLE on what’s happening with my opinions being on the back burner. Third of all, like I said, him caring for his family doesn’t absolve him of responsibility. He is still disrespectful and continues to act like he deserves the spotlight 24/7. Most of these situations could’ve been completely avoidable if he just didn’t care about everyone looking at him. In that same vein, weaponizing his father’s death to try and guilt trip people says more about you than it does me. Lastly, I didn’t make this video for him. I made this video for Kpop Stan’s who are interested and learning about why people don’t like him. I couldn’t care less if he doesn’t care about my opinions because, again, I don’t make my opinions for him
"you cant hate him his dad died" half my family died from cancer but that doesn't mean i get a free ticket to be a bad person lmao. The fact that he has fans just proves kpop stans only care about looks.
I feel bad for the other members of Fantasy Boys. Being under Pocketdol Studio is already hard enough but being in the same group with someone who's more problematic and narcissistic/jealous than the average person is only going to damage the team's reputation more in the long run.
Yeah,and I thought he was so friendly and somehow overconfident when I saw him in ep 1 of fantasy boys but his jealousy towards the other trainees are really so obvious.
This just further proves kpop idols are just people, and people aren't always good, and we don't actually know anything about them just because they CHOOSE to be a certain way on camera. This dude just isn't hiding it. Which isn't okay, that he is this kind of a person, but it's time to not hold these people on golden padestal because they don't owe us being perfect/good people. It's just good to know you can choose which people you invest your money to. Which is also good to know that being openly problematic won't help the numbers rise. Do with that what you will. I don't like this dude.
@@Jasper-kz2sn this “he doesn’t know better” excuse doesn’t work for someone who is in their mid twenties depending on which birth year you believe to be true. He has had ample time to grow and work on himself as a person, and yet he seems to only be getting worse and worse as time passes. He doesn’t care about the people around him and uses anything to his advantage, even if it causes people to hate him more.
@@Jasper-kz2sn first, I replied to you in a calm manner to begin with. Second, that still isn’t an excuse because, like you said, he’s had countless resources to help his own internal feelings. He’s had ample time to change himself for the better, and yet he continues to act like a child. Hereditary behavior or not, he is still at fault
I never got into the show Fantasy Boys came from nor the group much themselves but I kept seeing KSoul tweets and looked into it. It's baffling to me tbh. The guy has nothing better to do than to talk shit about another idol, be fatphobic, etc? I also looked up member profiles and I think if I were to be a fan of the group, Wooseok would be my bias. He 100% has the resemblance to Kino and reminds me a bit of a Manhwa character. I am all for growth and change but the fact that he is supposedly born the same year I am (1998 even though no one is sure because it changes every full moon) and can't seem to grow up and hold accountability is disgusting. I did and said dumb shit when I was a TEEN but as a 25 almost 26 year old you should know better.
@@seokaynof course! wht else would it be, i thought mnet boys planet was rigged but this is a whole nother level. And the fact that he's still in the group!! NO
@@seokayni didnt mean rigged but kind of um evil edited, u get wht i mean right. many trainees were evil edited and didnt get any screen time, i just felt so bad for them. But thanks for respectin my opinion!
Honeslty when I first started watching the show I didn't get why he got so much hate because from my perspective he was just honest and confident but time when on and things were revealed (he squealed on Hwarang from Tempest for being in a club all because Fantasy boys didn't win an award like..., not to mention we don't actually know how old he is because he lied multiple times about his age). There is also video evidence of him talking about how the members need to lose weight and him fatshaming them. I'm not sure why people are trying to defend him when hes done so many bad things?
Well, Ksoul is from 2000, unfortunately, he had a manager when he was a minor and the manager was the one who gave him the first survival by lying because he was a minor at that time and the manager often bribed him unfairly since Ksoul was not born. with money and he just wanted his family to not be in need anymore.
A lot of the sources I've seen about Ksoul not getting along with other members completely edit out he was nice to anyone. If you see the uneditted lives he has with the members he's kind and civil with them. Let's not act like we haven't seen evil editting before. Ksoul actually brought this up ON THE SHOWThe mentors and other contestants agreed about the evil editting and made jokes about it. I agree that he's made fatphobic comments, and I don't agree that that's right (as a fat person), I just don't understand why other contestants like Ling Qi, Sungmin, and Yuma, who have also made similar comments about weight, don't get anywhere near the same hate, if not praise (namely Sungmin). I don't understand why the age thing is such a scandal. We know how ageist Korea is (hence the plastic surgery and debuting minors). Alexia Demie (American Actress) did the exact same thing but didn't get DEATH THREATS for it. The ENTIRE point of competition shows is to market yourself. Contestants need to make themselves stand out/better than others to get voted into the final line-up. It's kinda badass seeing someone who isn't in constant censoring of himself, he made his personality unable to be editted out, like a lot of the other contestants have been. I'm not fully educated on some of the other topics in this video. It's just frustrating when you see other idols getting away with the same things (Jisung of NCT constantly making fatphobic comments, MAMAMOO doing literal blackface, Bora and Hyolyn of SISTAR faking their ages) as KSoul, but being brushed under the rug. I've seen fans interact with him and he's very sweet to them the members. They have definitely gotten closer and more comfortable with each other since debut.
Professionalism and Evil Editing aside, he was still rude and stuck up. You can’t edit someone being egocentric and you can’t edit someone being disrespectful to mentors. And in lives, they HAVE to act cool with one another because of their idol image. Like I said in another comment, you can be associated with people even after you are rude to them but that doesn’t make what you said any less disrespectful. Also like I said, I’m not saying that they aren’t cool with each other but I’m also not not saying that because at the end of the day, I have no idea. I can only form opinions about things I do know and speculate on the rest. As for the thing about other idols, I don’t agree. Jisung has been dragged through the mud and back for his Fatphobia, Mamamoo has been called out and criticized for their blackface, and I can’t really say anything about the SISTAR stuff because at the end of the day, I don’t think faking your age is a big deal. I even explicitly stated that I think it is a silly reason to dislike someone while also stating that I don’t agree with it personally speaking. What these other idols have done don’t absolve K-soul whatsoever because at the end of the day they have all been called out and dragged for what they did and rightfully so. Also, he obviously acts nice towards the people who support him because they like him. He is nasty to people he doesn’t agree with and goes to lengths to say or do the most disrespectful thing he can think of. Likening the people who like the idol who went out with his girlfriend to DV victims but turning around and being nice to his fans shows what type of person he is to me
@@seokayn You created this video with the intention of sharing what you believe to be facts. However, some of these "facts" are subject to personal bias and interpretation, as you yourself acknowledged in your reply where you stated that you do not have full knowledge of what goes on behind the camera. While you claim that you have no malicious intent, it is important to be mindful of the potential impact of spreading information that may not be entirely accurate. Your source, KOREABOO, is known for publishing gossip and has previously been criticized for mistranslations.
@@softharutofu I never said that everything in this video are pure facts even though most of the things in this video have been proven and backed up. Your comment makes no sense to me cause you’re making the argument that I claimed that all of these of facts when I didn’t and explicitly stated that I was educating people on it. Educating as giving people things to work with that they can form their own thoughts about and can choose to either believe or disbelieve. While I know that Koreaboo is unreliable, the articles I linked have been confirmed across multiple other sources so this point is useless and doesn’t mean anything to me.
I just hope that you did as you are responsible for promoting hatred towards a person who lost his father to cancer and who now has to be the breadwinner for his family, which is ksoul, that the worst thing in life does not happen to you later because all the hate What do you wish for another person? That comes back to you.
It is common practice for these style of videos to have fancams which won’t always be related to who the video is about. I wouldn’t deliberately put woodz to deceive someone, and people are more than capable to understand that I’m not talking about woodz or saying that woodz is k-soul
@@martinawidi5339 except if I did, people wouldn’t be engaged. I never claimed that the fancams I’m using are of K-soul, and people should have some sense to know that because all of my fancams are different people. I apologize for the confusion but at the end of the day, it is not my fault. In the fancams, it says his name.
So many people think because he is confident that it’s okay to be arrogant and self centered …he goes very far and it’s similar to having a friend that looks and talks down on you every chance they get and then laugh it off like it’s a joke he’s just more annoying or was and also he wasn’t a team player really he always wanted to take lead which is okay in cases where you do it respectfully but being rude and always getting angry over small things is childish and as someone who has gotten upset over small things I also thinks he’s over the top and I understand if a lot of the other contestants felt uncomfortable and don’t get me wrong a lot of them were rude here and there but he took the cake it’s a difference from being confident and loving yourself and speaking highly on yourself vs being arrogant , self centered and basically stuck up …I think he would’ve been liked if he focused on himself stayed in his place and watched his words cause he’s funny and has idol potential but the way he acts and how he speaks is too much …being yourself is fine everyone should be original but if your originality is being rude asf to people who don’t even know you and commenting rude things on others as jokes you should tweak who you are as a person and change that at least if your becoming a idol .
@@sliverhalo9286 The agency was not promoting Class:y very well. They just bind them with a contract that would only ruined their time and talent. The agency has already faced lawsuit before but they keep in doing this kind of scheme again.
@@sliverhalo9286 and guess what i also found out? Some members did also body shamed their fellow member too but the agency did not address to it. They let it slide as if it's a joke which is not okay btw. I agree with what you said. The line-up of the boys who debut was so messed up. There's even a young guy who's still underage.
I would've supported them but the agency is not good and well know about K-soul so while I do really like some of the boys in the lineup I just can't stan groups that have bad companies@@HannieRie
I don’t know about all this stuff but i watch fantasy boy and I don’t think he bad he seem very kind toward his member and everything, me personally I just think maybe we don’t know him that much to assume. I’m not trying to defend him but as a fantasy boy stan I don’t want drama among the people I like all of them and I am happy to see they get along but I don’t know much about ksoul situation, if ksoul did something bad then he could said and apologize.
thank you for talking abt this. ive never seen any good quality and informative video on fantasy boys. i seriously feel bad for the boys as their in a shit company with this kind of person(ksoul).
I want him out of the group. Re-reading all the past comments defending him makes me regurgate what i've eat tonight. I used to watch FB but stop because the show is not making sense anymore. I hate his narcissistic attitude and people kept saying there's nothing wrong about him? I hope that people will see his true nature now that it's showing.. He went to a bar after his dad passed away and snitch someone's life? Isn't that irritating and disgusting already?
@@seokayn but that guy brought it upon himself. Depends on how you cope up. But going into the Bar will never ease the pain of losing someone. Been there before and done that.
@@HannieRie Ik he brought the issues onto himself, but the thing abt the bar is smth I can’t slly say for sure. I’m not him, so I’m not gonna judge his coping mechanisms
@@seokayn You think his serious on becoming an idol? His group is not doing well after they debut. I really hope that Kaedan would just go back studying.
@@HannieRie that isn’t what I said. I said I’m not at liberty to talk about him going to the bar to cope because I am not him. There wasn’t an instance where I said I thought he was trying to be a serious idol, because I truly have no idea. I can speculate that while he may want to become one, he is just too disrespectful and that overshadows his abilities to become famous. However, that is, again, just speculation
Sometimes i really think it's his "concept". Like "bad news, are still news". Bc it's sometimes so unbelievable how an idol in this k industry even dares to behave like this...
not defending him but taking issue with certain points… if you’re Chinese you know Zhu Bao Bao (pig baby) is like „cutie“ and on their hot pot live Hikari and him address it, Hikari and him get along well. Don’t create issues where there aren’t any. „He doesn’t care about Kaedan‘s feelings“… go watch their lives. Kaedan adores him as a Hyung, he babies Kaedan, they were roommates and go shopping together like normal friends. Don’t think Kaedan would put up with that if he felt that ksoul disrespects him
Idk if you know this but Hikari and Wooseok are Japanese and Korean respectively. While Pig Baby might mean one thing in one language, it comes across as disrespectful in other languages. Also, even if that was the case, it doesn’t erase him telling Wooseok he would look more handsome if he lost chin fat. And just because they act alright now doesn’t mean he didn’t disregard Kaeden’s feelings then. He knows that Kaeden was (and is) a minor, and yet continued to try and get him to do Ko Ko Bop even after he stated he wasn’t comfortable because he is 13. I think you think that there can’t be conflicts between people + that idols don’t have to put up a front. I’m not saying they aren’t cool with each other, but I’m also not not saying that they are. They might just be putting up a front because they are idols. Friends or not, what he has said and done is still not cool in the slightest bit.
Ksoul fans are so blind about the fatshaming. I still have the video of the fatshaming. And it's clear how uncomfortable Hikari with being teased about his weight.
criticizes K-Soul for being "fat-phobic" then attacks him by being ageist & spouts racism. Having braids is not culture appropriation just because you're not black. Make it make sense. Seriously netizens, go out & touch some grass.
I didn’t attack him for changing his age first and very foremost. I even stated that I do not care all that much but can understand why ppl could be upset. Changing your age is misleading and weird, but it’s especially sketchy for him since he changed it 3/4 times. Thats why people are upset and no one was being racist towards him. As for CA, you can’t confirm or deny what is and what isn’t CA because you are not black. The overwhelming opinion (by the affected community which isn’t you) is that it is CA, so that is what I went with. So it does make sense, thank you very much!
@@seokayn then why did you bring the age thing up as a point for your video attacking him? You literally just called him sketchy for doing it! It's not CA to wear braids in your hair. Are you suggesting Bobby from Ikon is also guilty of CA? Just because he is asian does not mean he is not allowed to wear braids! To say otherwise is literally racism. For the record I watched the show & yes he does have a lot of issues, but voicing your opinion as fact is a bit low.
@@alanfitzgerald6567 what if I told you this video isn’t attacking him 😳 this video is me explaining what he did and interjecting my opinion about an objectively shitty person. I included it in the video because it was relavent to the situation (it got a lot of ppl mad, i didn’t and don’t care about it but still included it because it was a topic of conversation) which I explained at the very beginning of that section of the video. As for the CA, yes Bobby is guilty of that and it isn’t racist to say. It’s ignorant to continue to take and take from a different culture, especially when you live in a country where black propel (the culture that’s being appropriated) are demeaned and treated as less than other people. Lastly, I’m not stating my opinion as fact, I’m stating fact as fact. You wanna tell me that I’m doing that, meanwhile you’re trying to show that your (irrelevant) opinion is fact when it isn’t. You can’t come for me when you’re attempting to do the same thing, it’s hypocritical. If you wanna comment, I don’t care, but at least watch my video first before you try and make me seem bad or him any good. Kpop Stan’s need to stop D-riding shitty people in the industry and start get their moral compasses in check.
@@seokayn oh I'd believe you. Of course who would possibly assume you were attacking this "shitty" person?🙄 Listen, it's fully understandable that you would dislike him, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy. It's laughable that people still say things like "I'm not bothered by this, buuuuut......." Yeah, no one falls for that anymore. Netizens are reknowned the world over for being vicious towards idols they dislike to the point of causing severe mental health issues & I hope maybe this discourse makes some of them reflect on their actions before we read another obituary.
As a black person those braids still get people denied from jobs and discriminated against in America. It’s just braids to people who aren’t black but for us it’s our culture that we get discriminated against for, so of course we aren’t the happiest that Kpop idols can walk out with our hair and get praised, while we get called ghetto for the same hair. In a perfect world CA wouldn’t be a problem because racism wouldn’t exist, but as long as we are still getting discriminated against for our hair, we don’t want other doing the same and not receiving the same treatment. And this is no way an attack on your character, I’m assuming you are uneducated on the history of braids and African American culture and am simply educating you about it.
As a chinese person, I still agree with you. Although calling someone "pig" could mean cutie is chinese, he is literally on a korean survival show wanting to debut in korea, so theoretically he should've done more research about the korean culture and language so he doesn't make any unnecessary mistakes. You choose who you want to be, post trauma and childhood trauma could have an effect on one's personality, but in the end you choose how you behave, how you talk, how you treat others. It's quite sad knowing that a chinese person would do something like this...
Me aparecio este video en recomendados, pense que seria un video visto desde un punto subjetivo, ni bueno ni malo, pero la verdad que esto es odio disfrazado de "solo es mi opinion", mas todos los demas comentarios, desagradable, la verdad espero que ksoul vuelva al grupo pronto y que supere este asunto familiar que esta pasando. Me gusta su interaccion con hikari, kaedan y linqui, ya que ellos son los mas cercanos a el, en fin. Stan fantasy boys
Este vídeo está repleto de información objetiva con mi opinión intercalada, que hago bastante obvia utilizando formas de transición. Este vídeo no es odio disfrazado de opinión, es un vídeo para informar a la gente sobre las horribles acciones de un ídolo que merecen que se hable de ellas. K-soul es lo suficientemente mayor como para distinguir el bien del mal, así que obviamente no voy a darle el beneficio de la duda. Sin embargo, he dicho explícitamente que no me importa que haya cambiado su año de nacimiento porque creo que no es para tanto. Sólo dije que podía entender que la gente se molestara por ello en primer lugar. Y no estoy aquí para decirte que no te puede gustar él o sus interacciones con los miembros, sólo que te hará parecer una mala persona para el público en general por lo que ha dicho y hecho. Poner de forma pasiva y agresiva "Stan fantasy boys" al final no va a cambiar de repente cómo me siento o hacer que me sienta obligado a disculparme si eso es lo que esperas.
So are you saying that hwarang's situation was turned worst because people are linking it to what this person said?... He even had to go on hiatus because it was getting out of hand.... Seriouslly...
Well, no! Thats not what I said whatsoever. I actually said that it led people to believe that it was linked and followed it up by saying that it hasn’t been confirmed, but I thought it was relevant to add because it was a topic of conversation at the time. Please don’t misconstrue my words because it will only make ME seem like an ass when I am not.
As rude as this will come across, I hope he doesn’t. He needs to get his act together and learn how to act like an adult before he should be allowed back into the industry. He’s dragging the other members down and it’s not fair
@@seokayn me too! As a predebut stan, this behavior was dragging the whole group down since the debut and I think they’ll get more recognition when he reflects himself and stays gone
His father passed away not too long ago, and his grandfather is still unwell. He wants to be there for his family during this hard time. It’s so hard to lose a loved one, and to be worried about another at the same time. 😔
@@NCTzen_azerbaijan_ People shouldn’t be saying that he shouldn’t come back until he changes his behavior. Grief is not a lesson, and it’s not fair to expect someone to go through the pain of losing a loved one in order to satisfy strangers or change their behavior. I rather him being straightforward, and annoying than depressed and lifeless.
@@Elif-gd5jiFamily issues or not, the dude was a menace. I’m hoping he can get some much needed therapy and to be quite honest an attitude adjustment before coming back.
@@confusedgrapes349 Regardless of past behavior, it’s not fair to judge someone who is grieving the loss of a parent. People can grow and change, and it’s important to give them the chance to do so. Let’s focus on showing support and empathy during this difficult time. Also Instead of focusing on a person's flaws, consider their positive qualities as well. This gives us a more balanced view of their character and helps us see the full picture. Just like all of us he has his own issue and that's ok we are human beings anyways.
None of the background videos are of K-soul, I know. I had to go out of my way to look up the fancams and then the instrumentals of the songs, so I know it isn’t k-soul.
Well, yes, of course, but Ksoul is all that for you, but now he is in China taking care of his family and working to pay the debt he borrowed for the expenses of his father who had cancer and died and well, you still come to make hate videos. Towards which their minds are sick
also my mind is not sick for calling someone out for their problematic actions. K-soul fans love using his father’s death as a “look you can’t possibly hate him cause his father died” which makes YOU look like the asshole, not me.
but you encourage more hatred when he is in China taking out his big fat for his mom and his little sister and that as fans I don't like that now they fill their mouths again
I still like him, lol. These are all hyped up especially the hair one, and to be fair most are assholes in this industry, he just doesn’t hide it too well. His behavior shows hardcore trauma and abuse he has had to endure.. industry conditioning, but worse.
none of these are “hyped up” and especially not the CA. Koreans appropriating black culture has been a topic of conversation for YEARS because of how racist Korea and a lot of Asia is to black people. You don’t care because it doesn’t affect you. And, no, appropriating a culture, joking about people’s weight, changing your age, likening ppl to DV victims, and trying to get a minor to do a sexy concept after he said he doesn’t want to is not signs of abuse nor trauma. It’s severely annoying how you weaponize his family/father’s death against people who criticize him as if that’s going to automatically erase what he did. What he has done has nothing to do with his father’s death, and I don’t feel bad for criticizing him because of that.
As a black person those braids still get people denied from jobs and discriminated against in America. It’s just braids to people who aren’t black but for us it’s our culture that we get discriminated against for, so of course we aren’t the happiest that Kpop idols can walk out with our hair and get praised, while we get called ghetto for the same hair. In a perfect world CA wouldn’t be a problem because racism wouldn’t exist, but as long as we are still getting discriminated against for our hair, we don’t want other doing the same and not receiving the same treatment. And this is no way an attack on your character, I’m assuming you are uneducated on the history of braids and African American culture and am simply educating you about it.
![[C.C.] Giving harsh critiques at the worst stage, Teacher Soyeon is on fire! 🔥 #GIDLE #SOYEON](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0j5v9p96qXU/mqdefault.jpg)
TLDL: k-soul is fatphobic, has done culture appropriation, fakes his age, tried to pressure Kaeden into doing a sexy concept, being egocentric, being disrespectful to members/contestants/mentors, likening k-pop fans to DV victims, and being a snitch which is why people don’t like him
While I watched the whole video thank you for having a comment that summarizes it
The worst attitude ever of K-soul.
While you are in charge of destroying Ksoul again, he is working hard for his family to pay for his care of his father who had cancer and he is not interested in your opinions as long as he shows that he is a good son for his mother and good brother for little sister so you are the worst people for continuing to hate a person who lost his dad
@@berthajanethgonzalesticlla1727 that doesn’t mean that he isn’t terrible for some of the things he has done bad people can still do good things
@@berthajanethgonzalesticlla1727 first of all, stop commenting multiple times if you’re just gonna say the same thing over and over again. Second, I am not in charge of his hate campaign for making a video compiling all of his actions. I am EDUCATING PEOPLE on what’s happening with my opinions being on the back burner. Third of all, like I said, him caring for his family doesn’t absolve him of responsibility. He is still disrespectful and continues to act like he deserves the spotlight 24/7. Most of these situations could’ve been completely avoidable if he just didn’t care about everyone looking at him. In that same vein, weaponizing his father’s death to try and guilt trip people says more about you than it does me. Lastly, I didn’t make this video for him. I made this video for Kpop Stan’s who are interested and learning about why people don’t like him. I couldn’t care less if he doesn’t care about my opinions because, again, I don’t make my opinions for him
"you cant hate him his dad died" half my family died from cancer but that doesn't mean i get a free ticket to be a bad person lmao. The fact that he has fans just proves kpop stans only care about looks.
Exactly
i got confused by the video thinking woodz was k-soul until i googled it
my apologies
I was scared that it was Soul from P1harmony 😅
@@amayascloud well,this ksoul is a yard away from how kind and sweet our soul is.
I feel bad for the other members of Fantasy Boys. Being under Pocketdol Studio is already hard enough but being in the same group with someone who's more problematic and narcissistic/jealous than the average person is only going to damage the team's reputation more in the long run.
Not just that, but the most popular member didn't end up debuting, and that was already bad, but the studio decided to sue the dude so-
its so sad because when i saw him first time i thought he was so cool and handsome because he do have talent but damnnn he really threw it all up 😭
Ikr😶
Up or away?
Yeah,and I thought he was so friendly and somehow overconfident when I saw him in ep 1 of fantasy boys but his jealousy towards the other trainees are really so obvious.
@@pratyushpavansaikia8161 away
This just further proves kpop idols are just people, and people aren't always good, and we don't actually know anything about them just because they CHOOSE to be a certain way on camera. This dude just isn't hiding it. Which isn't okay, that he is this kind of a person, but it's time to not hold these people on golden padestal because they don't owe us being perfect/good people. It's just good to know you can choose which people you invest your money to. Which is also good to know that being openly problematic won't help the numbers rise. Do with that what you will. I don't like this dude.
I totally agree. People hold these idols up so high, that they forget where these idols come from
THIS.
wooseok is so handsome :( he always visually reminded me of yunho from ateez! puppy vibes!
wooseok is so cute
Bro is such a weirdo 💀
@@Jasper-kz2sn this “he doesn’t know better” excuse doesn’t work for someone who is in their mid twenties depending on which birth year you believe to be true. He has had ample time to grow and work on himself as a person, and yet he seems to only be getting worse and worse as time passes. He doesn’t care about the people around him and uses anything to his advantage, even if it causes people to hate him more.
@@Jasper-kz2snhe is a grown a55 man
@@Jasper-kz2sn first, I replied to you in a calm manner to begin with. Second, that still isn’t an excuse because, like you said, he’s had countless resources to help his own internal feelings. He’s had ample time to change himself for the better, and yet he continues to act like a child. Hereditary behavior or not, he is still at fault
thank you for talking about this ! for some reason international fans cant seem to wrap their head around the fact that he's gross
I never got into the show Fantasy Boys came from nor the group much themselves but I kept seeing KSoul tweets and looked into it. It's baffling to me tbh. The guy has nothing better to do than to talk shit about another idol, be fatphobic, etc? I also looked up member profiles and I think if I were to be a fan of the group, Wooseok would be my bias. He 100% has the resemblance to Kino and reminds me a bit of a Manhwa character.
I am all for growth and change but the fact that he is supposedly born the same year I am (1998 even though no one is sure because it changes every full moon) and can't seem to grow up and hold accountability is disgusting. I did and said dumb shit when I was a TEEN but as a 25 almost 26 year old you should know better.
He's an egotistical maniac. With all the talent in this group, it's sad. I love Kino, if anyone cares. Because you mentioned it.
HE WAS THIS BAD AND STILL GOT TO DEBUT.. OH MA GOODD. THIS PISSES ME OFF 😤
He got to debut because of his visuals. He is a very handsome person, but he is lackluster in most skills
@@seokaynof course! wht else would it be, i thought mnet boys planet was rigged but this is a whole nother level. And the fact that he's still in the group!! NO
@@gyu_jin_ I don’t agree with the thing about boys planet but I respect your opinion!
@@seokayni didnt mean rigged but kind of um evil edited, u get wht i mean right. many trainees were evil edited and didnt get any screen time, i just felt so bad for them. But thanks for respectin my opinion!
Honeslty when I first started watching the show I didn't get why he got so much hate because from my perspective he was just honest and confident but time when on and things were revealed (he squealed on Hwarang from Tempest for being in a club all because Fantasy boys didn't win an award like..., not to mention we don't actually know how old he is because he lied multiple times about his age). There is also video evidence of him talking about how the members need to lose weight and him fatshaming them. I'm not sure why people are trying to defend him when hes done so many bad things?
on k-profiles it says his birth year is 2000 someone commented and said he was born in 1995
I just put all the information I found 🤷🏻♀️
@@seokayn oh I know I trust your word I found it just trying to look up wooseok then that popped up
Well, Ksoul is from 2000, unfortunately, he had a manager when he was a minor and the manager was the one who gave him the first survival by lying because he was a minor at that time and the manager often bribed him unfairly since Ksoul was not born. with money and he just wanted his family to not be in need anymore.
A lot of the sources I've seen about Ksoul not getting along with other members completely edit out he was nice to anyone. If you see the uneditted lives he has with the members he's kind and civil with them. Let's not act like we haven't seen evil editting before. Ksoul actually brought this up ON THE SHOWThe mentors and other contestants agreed about the evil editting and made jokes about it.
I agree that he's made fatphobic comments, and I don't agree that that's right (as a fat person), I just don't understand why other contestants like Ling Qi, Sungmin, and Yuma, who have also made similar comments about weight, don't get anywhere near the same hate, if not praise (namely Sungmin).
I don't understand why the age thing is such a scandal. We know how ageist Korea is (hence the plastic surgery and debuting minors). Alexia Demie (American Actress) did the exact same thing but didn't get DEATH THREATS for it.
The ENTIRE point of competition shows is to market yourself. Contestants need to make themselves stand out/better than others to get voted into the final line-up. It's kinda badass seeing someone who isn't in constant censoring of himself, he made his personality unable to be editted out, like a lot of the other contestants have been.
I'm not fully educated on some of the other topics in this video.
It's just frustrating when you see other idols getting away with the same things (Jisung of NCT constantly making fatphobic comments, MAMAMOO doing literal blackface, Bora and Hyolyn of SISTAR faking their ages) as KSoul, but being brushed under the rug.
I've seen fans interact with him and he's very sweet to them the members. They have definitely gotten closer and more comfortable with each other since debut.
Some of my words I posted are cut out because they got italicised for some reason.
Professionalism and Evil Editing aside, he was still rude and stuck up. You can’t edit someone being egocentric and you can’t edit someone being disrespectful to mentors. And in lives, they HAVE to act cool with one another because of their idol image. Like I said in another comment, you can be associated with people even after you are rude to them but that doesn’t make what you said any less disrespectful. Also like I said, I’m not saying that they aren’t cool with each other but I’m also not not saying that because at the end of the day, I have no idea. I can only form opinions about things I do know and speculate on the rest. As for the thing about other idols, I don’t agree. Jisung has been dragged through the mud and back for his Fatphobia, Mamamoo has been called out and criticized for their blackface, and I can’t really say anything about the SISTAR stuff because at the end of the day, I don’t think faking your age is a big deal. I even explicitly stated that I think it is a silly reason to dislike someone while also stating that I don’t agree with it personally speaking. What these other idols have done don’t absolve K-soul whatsoever because at the end of the day they have all been called out and dragged for what they did and rightfully so. Also, he obviously acts nice towards the people who support him because they like him. He is nasty to people he doesn’t agree with and goes to lengths to say or do the most disrespectful thing he can think of. Likening the people who like the idol who went out with his girlfriend to DV victims but turning around and being nice to his fans shows what type of person he is to me
@@seokayn You created this video with the intention of sharing what you believe to be facts. However, some of these "facts" are subject to personal bias and interpretation, as you yourself acknowledged in your reply where you stated that you do not have full knowledge of what goes on behind the camera. While you claim that you have no malicious intent, it is important to be mindful of the potential impact of spreading information that may not be entirely accurate. Your source, KOREABOO, is known for publishing gossip and has previously been criticized for mistranslations.
@@softharutofu I never said that everything in this video are pure facts even though most of the things in this video have been proven and backed up. Your comment makes no sense to me cause you’re making the argument that I claimed that all of these of facts when I didn’t and explicitly stated that I was educating people on it. Educating as giving people things to work with that they can form their own thoughts about and can choose to either believe or disbelieve. While I know that Koreaboo is unreliable, the articles I linked have been confirmed across multiple other sources so this point is useless and doesn’t mean anything to me.
I just hope that you did as you are responsible for promoting hatred towards a person who lost his father to cancer and who now has to be the breadwinner for his family, which is ksoul, that the worst thing in life does not happen to you later because all the hate What do you wish for another person? That comes back to you.
No idea who this guy is. I thought this was gonna be about Soul from P1h and was ready to throw hands.
never 🙏🙏
WTF do you have Woodz on screen while blasting KSoul??? You're going to blast someone and not even have the right person up??
It is common practice for these style of videos to have fancams which won’t always be related to who the video is about. I wouldn’t deliberately put woodz to deceive someone, and people are more than capable to understand that I’m not talking about woodz or saying that woodz is k-soul
People who dont know woodz will think he is K Soul. And it is so distracting. You can put some image of k soul with the caption/narrative
@@martinawidi5339 except if I did, people wouldn’t be engaged. I never claimed that the fancams I’m using are of K-soul, and people should have some sense to know that because all of my fancams are different people. I apologize for the confusion but at the end of the day, it is not my fault. In the fancams, it says his name.
Nobody will ever outdo Haku Shota🗣
real
HES THE REAL SOUL💯💯
@@staryjh AMEN ‼
So many people think because he is confident that it’s okay to be arrogant and self centered …he goes very far and it’s similar to having a friend that looks and talks down on you every chance they get and then laugh it off like it’s a joke he’s just more annoying or was and also he wasn’t a team player really he always wanted to take lead which is okay in cases where you do it respectfully but being rude and always getting angry over small things is childish and as someone who has gotten upset over small things I also thinks he’s over the top and I understand if a lot of the other contestants felt uncomfortable and don’t get me wrong a lot of them were rude here and there but he took the cake it’s a difference from being confident and loving yourself and speaking highly on yourself vs being arrogant , self centered and basically stuck up …I think he would’ve been liked if he focused on himself stayed in his place and watched his words cause he’s funny and has idol potential but the way he acts and how he speaks is too much …being yourself is fine everyone should be original but if your originality is being rude asf to people who don’t even know you and commenting rude things on others as jokes you should tweak who you are as a person and change that at least if your becoming a idol .
I don't like him at all. Glad Junwon left the group because I see it as a toxic group from the beginning.
He left for unrelated reasons the contract is sketchy
@@sliverhalo9286 The agency was not promoting Class:y very well. They just bind them with a contract that would only ruined their time and talent. The agency has already faced lawsuit before but they keep in doing this kind of scheme again.
thats what Im saying and then Im sure there were factors in the line up having a hella toxic person in it as well@@HannieRie
@@sliverhalo9286 and guess what i also found out? Some members did also body shamed their fellow member too but the agency did not address to it. They let it slide as if it's a joke which is not okay btw.
I agree with what you said. The line-up of the boys who debut was so messed up. There's even a young guy who's still underage.
I would've supported them but the agency is not good and well know about K-soul so while I do really like some of the boys in the lineup I just can't stan groups that have bad companies@@HannieRie
I never wanted him to debut in the group. I feel bad for the other members of Fantasy Boys because they are so talented.
I don’t know about all this stuff but i watch fantasy boy and I don’t think he bad he seem very kind toward his member and everything, me personally I just think maybe we don’t know him that much to assume. I’m not trying to defend him but as a fantasy boy stan I don’t want drama among the people I like all of them and I am happy to see they get along but I don’t know much about ksoul situation, if ksoul did something bad then he could said and apologize.
not wanting drama between the ppl you like doesn’t mean that his actions are expunged/didn’t happen?
thank you for talking abt this. ive never seen any good quality and informative video on fantasy boys. i seriously feel bad for the boys as their in a shit company with this kind of person(ksoul).
I want him out of the group. Re-reading all the past comments defending him makes me regurgate what i've eat tonight.
I used to watch FB but stop because the show is not making sense anymore. I hate his narcissistic attitude and people kept saying there's nothing wrong about him?
I hope that people will see his true nature now that it's showing..
He went to a bar after his dad passed away and snitch someone's life? Isn't that irritating and disgusting already?
him coping at the bar isn’t that big of a deal, but he just HAD to cause avoidable problems 😭
@@seokayn but that guy brought it upon himself.
Depends on how you cope up. But going into the Bar will never ease the pain of losing someone. Been there before and done that.
@@HannieRie Ik he brought the issues onto himself, but the thing abt the bar is smth I can’t slly say for sure. I’m not him, so I’m not gonna judge his coping mechanisms
@@seokayn You think his serious on becoming an idol?
His group is not doing well after they debut. I really hope that Kaedan would just go back studying.
@@HannieRie that isn’t what I said. I said I’m not at liberty to talk about him going to the bar to cope because I am not him. There wasn’t an instance where I said I thought he was trying to be a serious idol, because I truly have no idea. I can speculate that while he may want to become one, he is just too disrespectful and that overshadows his abilities to become famous. However, that is, again, just speculation
Sometimes i really think it's his "concept". Like "bad news, are still news".
Bc it's sometimes so unbelievable how an idol in this k industry even dares to behave like this...
not defending him but taking issue with certain points… if you’re Chinese you know Zhu Bao Bao (pig baby) is like „cutie“ and on their hot pot live Hikari and him address it, Hikari and him get along well. Don’t create issues where there aren’t any. „He doesn’t care about Kaedan‘s feelings“… go watch their lives. Kaedan adores him as a Hyung, he babies Kaedan, they were roommates and go shopping together like normal friends. Don’t think Kaedan would put up with that if he felt that ksoul disrespects him
Idk if you know this but Hikari and Wooseok are Japanese and Korean respectively. While Pig Baby might mean one thing in one language, it comes across as disrespectful in other languages. Also, even if that was the case, it doesn’t erase him telling Wooseok he would look more handsome if he lost chin fat. And just because they act alright now doesn’t mean he didn’t disregard Kaeden’s feelings then. He knows that Kaeden was (and is) a minor, and yet continued to try and get him to do Ko Ko Bop even after he stated he wasn’t comfortable because he is 13. I think you think that there can’t be conflicts between people + that idols don’t have to put up a front. I’m not saying they aren’t cool with each other, but I’m also not not saying that they are. They might just be putting up a front because they are idols. Friends or not, what he has said and done is still not cool in the slightest bit.
pig baby ksoul tabiem explained that in china it means word of endearment something that you don't understand
Ksoul fans are so blind about the fatshaming. I still have the video of the fatshaming. And it's clear how uncomfortable Hikari with being teased about his weight.
criticizes K-Soul for being "fat-phobic" then attacks him by being ageist & spouts racism. Having braids is not culture appropriation just because you're not black. Make it make sense. Seriously netizens, go out & touch some grass.
I didn’t attack him for changing his age first and very foremost. I even stated that I do not care all that much but can understand why ppl could be upset. Changing your age is misleading and weird, but it’s especially sketchy for him since he changed it 3/4 times. Thats why people are upset and no one was being racist towards him. As for CA, you can’t confirm or deny what is and what isn’t CA because you are not black. The overwhelming opinion (by the affected community which isn’t you) is that it is CA, so that is what I went with. So it does make sense, thank you very much!
@@seokayn then why did you bring the age thing up as a point for your video attacking him? You literally just called him sketchy for doing it! It's not CA to wear braids in your hair. Are you suggesting Bobby from Ikon is also guilty of CA? Just because he is asian does not mean he is not allowed to wear braids! To say otherwise is literally racism. For the record I watched the show & yes he does have a lot of issues, but voicing your opinion as fact is a bit low.
@@alanfitzgerald6567 what if I told you this video isn’t attacking him 😳 this video is me explaining what he did and interjecting my opinion about an objectively shitty person. I included it in the video because it was relavent to the situation (it got a lot of ppl mad, i didn’t and don’t care about it but still included it because it was a topic of conversation) which I explained at the very beginning of that section of the video. As for the CA, yes Bobby is guilty of that and it isn’t racist to say. It’s ignorant to continue to take and take from a different culture, especially when you live in a country where black propel (the culture that’s being appropriated) are demeaned and treated as less than other people. Lastly, I’m not stating my opinion as fact, I’m stating fact as fact. You wanna tell me that I’m doing that, meanwhile you’re trying to show that your (irrelevant) opinion is fact when it isn’t. You can’t come for me when you’re attempting to do the same thing, it’s hypocritical. If you wanna comment, I don’t care, but at least watch my video first before you try and make me seem bad or him any good. Kpop Stan’s need to stop D-riding shitty people in the industry and start get their moral compasses in check.
@@seokayn oh I'd believe you. Of course who would possibly assume you were attacking this "shitty" person?🙄 Listen, it's fully understandable that you would dislike him, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy. It's laughable that people still say things like "I'm not bothered by this, buuuuut......." Yeah, no one falls for that anymore. Netizens are reknowned the world over for being vicious towards idols they dislike to the point of causing severe mental health issues & I hope maybe this discourse makes some of them reflect on their actions before we read another obituary.
As a black person those braids still get people denied from jobs and discriminated against in America. It’s just braids to people who aren’t black but for us it’s our culture that we get discriminated against for, so of course we aren’t the happiest that Kpop idols can walk out with our hair and get praised, while we get called ghetto for the same hair. In a perfect world CA wouldn’t be a problem because racism wouldn’t exist, but as long as we are still getting discriminated against for our hair, we don’t want other doing the same and not receiving the same treatment. And this is no way an attack on your character, I’m assuming you are uneducated on the history of braids and African American culture and am simply educating you about it.
As a chinese person, I still agree with you. Although calling someone "pig" could mean cutie is chinese, he is literally on a korean survival show wanting to debut in korea, so theoretically he should've done more research about the korean culture and language so he doesn't make any unnecessary mistakes. You choose who you want to be, post trauma and childhood trauma could have an effect on one's personality, but in the end you choose how you behave, how you talk, how you treat others. It's quite sad knowing that a chinese person would do something like this...
Me aparecio este video en recomendados, pense que seria un video visto desde un punto subjetivo, ni bueno ni malo, pero la verdad que esto es odio disfrazado de "solo es mi opinion", mas todos los demas comentarios, desagradable, la verdad espero que ksoul vuelva al grupo pronto y que supere este asunto familiar que esta pasando. Me gusta su interaccion con hikari, kaedan y linqui, ya que ellos son los mas cercanos a el, en fin. Stan fantasy boys
Este vídeo está repleto de información objetiva con mi opinión intercalada, que hago bastante obvia utilizando formas de transición. Este vídeo no es odio disfrazado de opinión, es un vídeo para informar a la gente sobre las horribles acciones de un ídolo que merecen que se hable de ellas. K-soul es lo suficientemente mayor como para distinguir el bien del mal, así que obviamente no voy a darle el beneficio de la duda. Sin embargo, he dicho explícitamente que no me importa que haya cambiado su año de nacimiento porque creo que no es para tanto. Sólo dije que podía entender que la gente se molestara por ello en primer lugar. Y no estoy aquí para decirte que no te puede gustar él o sus interacciones con los miembros, sólo que te hará parecer una mala persona para el público en general por lo que ha dicho y hecho. Poner de forma pasiva y agresiva "Stan fantasy boys" al final no va a cambiar de repente cómo me siento o hacer que me sienta obligado a disculparme si eso es lo que esperas.
So are you saying that hwarang's situation was turned worst because people are linking it to what this person said?...
He even had to go on hiatus because it was getting out of hand....
Seriouslly...
Well, no! Thats not what I said whatsoever. I actually said that it led people to believe that it was linked and followed it up by saying that it hasn’t been confirmed, but I thought it was relevant to add because it was a topic of conversation at the time. Please don’t misconstrue my words because it will only make ME seem like an ass when I am not.
In case you don’t know his father just passed away recently, maybe he’ll grow up from this.
his father passing away doesn’t excuse his behavior. There is no point in bringing this up
Unfortunate, yes, but my brother died last year, you don't see me doing this shit. The death of a loved one has to do nothing with this.
As a Fantasy Boys Stan (I don’t support Ksoul) I think there’s a possibility he doesn’t return from his hiatus (or atleast not for a while)
As rude as this will come across, I hope he doesn’t. He needs to get his act together and learn how to act like an adult before he should be allowed back into the industry. He’s dragging the other members down and it’s not fair
@@seokayn me too! As a predebut stan, this behavior was dragging the whole group down since the debut and I think they’ll get more recognition when he reflects himself and stays gone
Guys, did he leave the group?
His father passed away not too long ago, and his grandfather is still unwell. He wants to be there for his family during this hard time. It’s so hard to lose a loved one, and to be worried about another at the same time. 😔
@@Elif-gd5ji oh it must be really hard for him
@@NCTzen_azerbaijan_ People shouldn’t be saying that he shouldn’t come back until he changes his behavior. Grief is not a lesson, and it’s not fair to expect someone to go through the pain of losing a loved one in order to satisfy strangers or change their behavior. I rather him being straightforward, and annoying than depressed and lifeless.
@@Elif-gd5jiFamily issues or not, the dude was a menace. I’m hoping he can get some much needed therapy and to be quite honest an attitude adjustment before coming back.
@@confusedgrapes349 Regardless of past behavior, it’s not fair to judge someone who is grieving the loss of a parent. People can grow and change, and it’s important to give them the chance to do so. Let’s focus on showing support and empathy during this difficult time. Also Instead of focusing on a person's flaws, consider their positive qualities as well. This gives us a more balanced view of their character and helps us see the full picture. Just like all of us he has his own issue and that's ok we are human beings anyways.
it makes me so mad that he is popular
Wth...the vid NOT kSeoul... Pls change
None of the background videos are of K-soul, I know. I had to go out of my way to look up the fancams and then the instrumentals of the songs, so I know it isn’t k-soul.
This person needs some mental health care.
I feel he has deeper issues then he wants to
talk about, therefore he lashes out in a negative
way.
Well, yes, of course, but Ksoul is all that for you, but now he is in China taking care of his family and working to pay the debt he borrowed for the expenses of his father who had cancer and died and well, you still come to make hate videos. Towards which their minds are sick
him helping out his family is the bare minimum, that’s not gonna make me automatically love him 🙏
also my mind is not sick for calling someone out for their problematic actions. K-soul fans love using his father’s death as a “look you can’t possibly hate him cause his father died” which makes YOU look like the asshole, not me.
but you encourage more hatred when he is in China taking out his big fat for his mom and his little sister and that as fans I don't like that now they fill their mouths again
We don't care.
What happen to his family isn't an excuse to have a bad behavior.
KSoul poop
I still like him, lol. These are all hyped up especially the hair one, and to be fair most are assholes in this industry, he just doesn’t hide it too well. His behavior shows hardcore trauma and abuse he has had to endure.. industry conditioning, but worse.
none of these are “hyped up” and especially not the CA. Koreans appropriating black culture has been a topic of conversation for YEARS because of how racist Korea and a lot of Asia is to black people. You don’t care because it doesn’t affect you. And, no, appropriating a culture, joking about people’s weight, changing your age, likening ppl to DV victims, and trying to get a minor to do a sexy concept after he said he doesn’t want to is not signs of abuse nor trauma. It’s severely annoying how you weaponize his family/father’s death against people who criticize him as if that’s going to automatically erase what he did. What he has done has nothing to do with his father’s death, and I don’t feel bad for criticizing him because of that.
As a black person those braids still get people denied from jobs and discriminated against in America. It’s just braids to people who aren’t black but for us it’s our culture that we get discriminated against for, so of course we aren’t the happiest that Kpop idols can walk out with our hair and get praised, while we get called ghetto for the same hair. In a perfect world CA wouldn’t be a problem because racism wouldn’t exist, but as long as we are still getting discriminated against for our hair, we don’t want other doing the same and not receiving the same treatment. And this is no way an attack on your character, I’m assuming you are uneducated on the history of braids and African American culture and am simply educating you about it.
Hm
Ksoul just untalented😂😂😂
ok it's super odd that you are saying this in front of images of Woodz, really misleading
@@ElectricDthing it’s not for ppl who can read and see that woodz is not the only person whose fancam I used