I simply can't wrap my head around the idea of not talking to your parents, siblings, children, or other friends or family simply for them no longer believing in the faith or making a mistake. That's too horrific.
I’m 38 years old now and I’m from Newfoundland born and raised in this religion and I moved to Edmonton Alberta in 2006 and got married and had a baby boy and when I was 24 I got sucked back into this org and started going again. I was baptized in 2010 and a couple years later my now ex wife ran off on me for another man and eventually ended up leaving my boy with me too. I Had him 100% of the time and I had no help us there in Edmonton. Now over three years I had drifted away from the faith and my parents wanted me to go to court and get my son and move back home and I did! I gave us everything I had in Edmonton everything!! Only to move home in 2018 and because me and my son don’t go to the meetings we are also shunned too and it really hurts. I got remarried in 2021 and my parents didn’t even come to anything and that killed me! No one came to our wedding and my wife now is a beautiful inside and out and we have been and always will be happy together! We also have two more baby boys 3 and 5 months old now And I haven’t talked to either of my parents since the summer started and my oldest son now is 15 and they ignore him too! It’s not fair for my family and o he shunned by my family and friends all over religion!! Me and my wife are living clean moral lives and I just don’t get it!! It’s so sad how this religion is destroying so many family’s to be ripped apart and there’s nothing I can do about it
@@clancyalexander6192 I wrote a comment to you but someone erased it but yes this cult destroys family’s of all the nations I can only imagine what others other then myself have gone through it’s hard and I’m a 38 year old Newfie that lost all my family but my own and that will never change. It’s there choices not mine
29:49 Yes, this happened all the time. I remember one such occasion when I was a kid when my mom recognized someone at the Kingdom Hall she hadn’t seen in a while. We walked up to her and my mom gave her a warm greeting to which the lady replied “I’m disfellowshipped”. My mom immediately averted her eyes from the lady and mumbled “oh” under her breath and quickly walked away. It was so horrible and awkward. I felt so bad for the lady and never forgot that even though I went on to shun as well. I was well trained (programmed) but gratefully woke up.
This is absolutely brilliant Wally! I've sent this to my nephew's wife because she doesn't understand why my parents shun their grandson, her husband. And also for her to know what Watchtower teaches so she can steer clear of my mom who's always trying to get her to have a bible study. Thank you again for all you do.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏✌💜
Wally! I've veen worried about your mental health knowing you're having to watch the convention so that you can recap it for us like the Saint you are. This video is exceptional, thank you for your hard work.
Wow Wally your content is just amazing. I always feel better after watching your videos. I was pressured into baptism by my family at 15 and then turned in by my diagnosed borderline mother and brother (2 witness rule) as going on a date with a worldly boy 2 years later. I was promptly sent a certified letter to meet with the committee to discuss. When I didn’t attend the meeting, I was promptly disfellowshipped. I lost everything - was kicked out of my home and had to work full time as soon as I graduated high school to support myself. I have lived with guilt, shame and judgement most of my life. I still see people in my community that I grew up with and they turn away, lower their eyes or look in pity. It impacted my self esteem and I dealt with severe anxiety, depression and PTSD from all of it. I am only beginning to truly understand the magnitude of my experiences and finally let this stuff go and heal. Your content has been a real life saver. I truly look forward to watching you - you are helping so many people with presenting the facts and also bringing some levity to these crazy practices. I wish I could do more to shed light for kids being forced into baptism - being marked by disfellowshipping truly impacted my life. If anyone knows how to get involved to shed light to lawmakers. I’m willing to share my own story to help save others of this horrible humiliation. Love to those that have gone through this. You are not alone. ♥️♥️♥️
@@janicehussock7735 Fortunately for you both, she brilliantly acquired precious wisdom to see through the darkness of their BS and deceit. HalaluYAH❣️🔥💃
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@@tammyg8031Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
Agreed. The way you break down the history makes it so easy to understand and see how it all evolved. This was the information I searched for 30 years ago when I was disfellowshipped and could not find. Thank you!!!!!! 🙏🏻
That's a mouthful to accomplish in just 50 minutes! JW History is a more detailed coverage, but it is hours, weeks, months long. But valid resources are used. Good Job! Thanks 👍 50 min.
Bravoooo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 dates, references, direct quotes...you always deliver these types of videos but there's definitely something "next level" about this one. Keep it up, Wally!
I like the way Wally controls his channel instead of his channel controlling him. Sometimes he’s a prolific content creator and sometimes he’s not. This was worth a couple of weeks wait. I always miss his content when he’s not around and am also happy when he’s back.
Great ! The Second Great Awakening ! History major here, I could never understand how so many histories have overlooked this tent/revival beginning for the SDA, LDS , and WT (and others, in fact) the greater area of Americas NE was known as the Burnt Over District because of all this religious fervor. Well Done my Man !
I just think of how many disfellowshipped people committed suicide because they lost everything and this “weakening” was never considered until the Watchtower lost MONEY. It’s never been as clear that this religion is a business and that the GB is in it to grift.
@@TechnicolorGothic So true. My brothers and I all suffer from depression, anxiety and PTSD from the hell we went through as kids. We have all struggled as adults to try and lead “normal” lives. It’s the sad reality for so many of us that grew up this way.
TechnicolorGothic.. you are a big big a lier! What you said there are so many disfellowship people committed suicide because they lost everything, you're a crazy! You have an evidence what you said.. I just tell you frankly if your are JW before you know the truth if we are talking about offering. JW not collect of 10% because that is applicable only during the esrael according from Malachi 3:9,10. And applicable for the Christian.If the religion applied of 10% that is a cult and that is did of Sathans and devil.and JW what principle from the bible regarding the offering 2 Corinthians 9:7.. and during baptism, Death and nuptial day the JW not collect from the member what I have mentioned. And again you said disfellowship lost everything. And I just tell you frankly your are big big a lier.
Incredible video. As someone who has been shunned by my entire family since I was 18, it blows my mind how utterly absurd JW history is. Love your channel!
As soon as I turned 18 the same happened to me. That was in 1983. It's not always easy, especially while I was younger. But it beats the hell out of being a part of that dying cult.
I recently left the JW church. I'm 20 and have never believed in a god. The only reason I stayed was because I didn't want to lose everyone I know. Imagine my surprise when my friends and family told me that it's okay and there's nothing wrong with it. Your videos have really helped me to get the will and guts to address what I'm feeling. You are a legend ❤
I've seen many anti-JW videos by ex-JWs, but I don't think I've ever seen a video that attempted to cover the timeline of the religion. I was never a JW, but I always thought Charles Taze Russell was the founder of the JWs. Technically, he wasn't. He founded Watch Tower, but it wasn't until Joseph F. Rutherford when the JWs that we know and loathe today came into existence. It's amazing that Russell, despite his faults, but a far more mellow religious leader than his successor.
The Millerite movement and chronology were influential. Nelson Barbour, who worked with CTRussell, was a Millerite who was still trying to work out the chronology. Darby and Dispensationalism was also a great influence. It's also worth considering that Fred Franz might've been on the austistic scale, and had his own ideas and reasonings (types, anti-types, fixations on words, etc).
When I looked into a lot of these movements (Christadelphia really intrigued me) I found that the famous dispute between Russell and Barbour wasn't as Watchtower portrayed it. They made it seem like Barbour outright rejected the ransom; what he rejected was Russell's idea that if Jesus took his human body back he would have nullified the ransom. Barbour, like just about any other Christian, believed in the physical resurrection.
Thank you Wally.I appreciate your research. Þhe treatment òf people who have been treated and still are treated that way has caused so many suicides. 😢 It brings tears to my eyes.
Wally, I've been watching your stuff for a while and enjoy your work. But this one, I had to come on and say THANK YOU! I've been free 40 years now and I had no idea about this history. Thanks for this great contribution to people waking up and for getting the word out about the real 'truth.' ♥
My JW mom just stopped by to see me. It's been 25 years since I got df'd and she's never shunned me or treated me any different. From time to time she brings up changes in the organization. I'm kind of surprised she hasn't mentioned this "removed" nomenclature yet. Edit: some here are aware that I was technically df'd for refusing to stop associating with a df'd friend. It had been known that I had apostate leanings but that was the technicality they got on me because I hadn't been fellowshipping for almost 3 years. At my judicial committee I brought my df'd friend as my witness that we never see each other or speak to each other at all. The elders didn't think it was funny.
They haven’t officially gone over it at the meetings yet. It’s published, but won’t be gone over until later this year. So most JWs don’t know this change exists
Honestly I been in prayer and asking God to please don't let any of my family try to contact me. They showed who they love more and it's their false god. So that bridge is burned. I'm happy without them and their JW drama.
was missing updates from you and man was this worth it!!!! im gonna have to go back and watch this a few more times and take notes. thanks so very much for all your digging, research and hard work on this. mucho appreciated!!!
I think you need to write a booklet using these exact WT quotes and your exact words. This is an excellent podcast! Thank you, Wally! I also really appreciate that you are keeping to the facts, are clear, not angry and sarcastic, and something I might be able to send to someone who is looking into this cult.
As a long time former member of the JW's for 55 years; I have periodically studied publications and articles written by the pre-1952 era of their organization. And I never remember coming across these clearly expressed feelings of both C.T. Russel and J. F. Rutherford on disfellowshipping and shunning. The focus was always on doctrinal understanding revealed. But since your video and dozens of others released here on YT, the REAL SENTIMENTS of the original founders was against this ostracizing, villifying; shunning and ignoring people who either sinned or differed in their views or understanding of scriptures. The average JW needs to watch this video and start thinking.
Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication on digging this history up. As a former witness and me waking up this is insane... I am glad I left.
That quote from the watchtower in Dec 1, 1882 is an eye opener for me. I never knew there was a time when witnesses believed Jesus died on the cross. When did that stop? Was that one of Rutherford's "new light" policies specifically to eradicate anything about Russell's teachings?
Hi Yes, that was strange I saw the crosses on the early picture of the actual watch “Tower” and inside the masonic crown and did you notice the LAUREL Leaves which are Caesar’s emblem as well the pharaohs crook ! The picture is full of satanic sigils! Nothing can explain all of that - not even their infamous “ The light just got brighter” excuse. Grace and Peace to all true followers of the real biblical Jesus Grace. Keep close to Him . 🌸👱🏼♀️🌸
Fantastic video. It is an example of a group being turned into a cult through black-and-white doctrines. I'm not an exjw or former cult member. I highly recommend this video for the general public trying to understand cults.
So good to see you and TH-cam is not the same when you're away for long periods of time. Your content has helped me understand this cult and validate my strong opinions about them. My sister has been brainwashed for over 30 years or so and now I get it why she acts a particular way.
I’m enjoying listening to your videos this morning . I’ve gone down the rabbit holes again since the New Zealand news so been watching things I’ve missed while I took a break from it all before I crash and burn lol. Is 6:29 am Thursday morning. I have insomnia at the moment, going to doc today at 11:30 am and haven’t been to sleep…. No good going to sleep now ….. watching videos about JWs …… lessss gooooooo!
Wally, I'm in awe of the excellent presentation of the facts on disfellowshipping over the last 150 years, and how Company man Knorr changed the rules and changed a religion into a Corporate Cult. This is your best video to date, and thank you for your excellent presentation and research!
Two days ago I learned that my 90yo grandfather passed away and today I watched the service from Zoom. I haven't been a JW since ~2009 officially, but probably more than 5yrs before that. So I haven't had contact with my entire family in over 15yrs. I was happy to not make a fuss about not being an active JW, but my parents forced it to a head by calling the elders and I refused to talk to them, thus disassociating myself. The worst part in all of this is that my 90yo grandfather was my mentor, the one I respected more than anyone else in my life and I shared a great relationship with over the years and shared a lot of similar interests. I still remember him saying "unfortunately, if you continue down this path, we will have to cease to be friends". That was a deep cut. I've moved on, almost immediately, but to think that I lost my friendship with my grandfather and other family members because I no longer wanted to live according to their rules (which have been proven to change willy nilly), down right sucks
Wow, I’m glad you shared this so much. I always wanted to deep dive but this is the perfect platform for this. Also, I’m unsure if you know him but my favorite Sim content creators’ picture is a lot like yours. Nard Sims.
As a third generation and gone from it for decades now this is shocking. My parents are rolling in their grave. This is all contrary to how we were taught. You are articulate and poised in your presentation. Loved the content
In the 90's I was disfellowshipped for having contact and maintaining a friendship with a disfellowshipped person. The judicial committee decided that because there were some JW witnessed me dancing with a disfellowshipped at a non JW wedding reception . The elders felt that because I didn't cry it was an expression of not repentant .
Excellent research, Wally! With governments becoming more and more aware of the practices of this cult, the more they will have to tweet their rules to exhaustion. Meanwhile, I am optimistic that many families will awaken sooner than later, and get out of this insanity.
Wally this was great, choosing to go back to early Russell and roll forward. chronologically. Would be wonderful if you could do the same historical inventory focusing on the WTs evolving view on birthdays and Christmas. That may give insight into what happens next in regards to policy changes. Thx. 🙏
Knorr, the third president ruled the organization with an iron fist! He was also a narcist and his word was law! Knorr's favorite color was green. So guess what folks? Knorr had the bethelites produce Green bibles back then!
This is one of the best histories of the JW's I have come across, and there are quite a few good ones. probably made better because it has one particular focus. without a focus some histories tend to get a bit lost in the weeds. I'm hoping that Wally will do some companion histories along these lines. What I find striking amongst the many denial mechanisms that JW's have is their 'disinterest' (stemming from discomfort really) in the organisaton's history. They don't mind touching on it but try a deeper dive and they start looking for ways to disengage..
i had to back up and recheck the date because the language is so much the same, i wondered if i'd actually heard that article when i was in back in the 70s and 80s. INSANE
They been dis fellowing for many years I am Canadian and have heard that happening for at least over 25 years from members themselves in regions itself surrounding me. Truly heartbreaking evoke practices like that does damage that it does not need at all by any means.
34:58 thank you this is soooo true the mental anguish that was caused from disfellowshipping, I have PTSD now because of being born in and born in the 1970’s
Before my bother killed himself he said “ it’s too late to get reinstated. The ends coming and I can’t get my life together before parade “. That church killed. My brother
I want to know what his thoughts have been. Not an anointed member in an ivory tower, does the matchstick represent him? Has he been, or will he be snuffed out? How is HIS mental health at this time?
You nailed it Wally. nailed it. But know if God told JW.Borg to stop removing/df'ing ppl they would still do it. Some them, you know, love it. It's the greatest abuse of the smallest amount of power I have ever experienced in LIFE.
Great video ! It all comes back to How do we deal with separation ? God disfellowshipped Adam and Eve from the garden because of knowledge. I still have problems grappling my head around what that means. Jesus disfellowshipped Judas from the 12 when he dipped the bread with him and said “I will dip this bread into the dish. The man I give it to is the man who will turn against me.” John 13, 26-30. I can just imagine how that felt and how much resentment that seed grew in Judas heart. Paul and the guys after him kept up the practice over no matter consequences. BUT when reading 1. Kor.13 i understand that Gods ways are so much different !! Im thinking that its a good thing that JW are trying to change to the better, even thou it was money that pushed them to it (first in Norway). But I pray for greater understanding around the issue and that we understand that Love dont separate but unite.
21:11 that line we are not coerce is the same line used at annual meeting released last year. So they still use old old old old articles for information therefore reconsidering DF all together should be o the table.
Hey one thing we can thank the JW org for is it made us good public speakers and we can handle rejection well. These skills have served me well thru life. Lol I checked out mentally in 05 when my mom died. Escaped fully by 08. Just now starting to read other past member accounts. Crazy!
Wow Wally I never even thought about it until now...how would you shun an 8-year-old baptized brother or sister... This breaks my heart but thanks for bringing awareness as you always do 🙏🏾
"Personally, I have never believed in the disfellowshipping doctrine, even though I have been a Jehovah's Witness for 50 years. To prove it, you can ask those who have been disfellowshipped; I have always greeted them secretly and loved them for who they are, regardless."
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I simply can't wrap my head around the idea of not talking to your parents, siblings, children, or other friends or family simply for them no longer believing in the faith or making a mistake. That's too horrific.
Cruelty is their hallmark.
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I’m 38 years old now and I’m from Newfoundland born and raised in this religion and I moved to Edmonton Alberta in 2006 and got married and had a baby boy and when I was 24 I got sucked back into this org and started going again. I was baptized in 2010 and a couple years later my now ex wife ran off on me for another man and eventually ended up leaving my boy with me too. I Had him 100% of the time and I had no help us there in Edmonton. Now over three years I had drifted away from the faith and my parents wanted me to go to court and get my son and move back home and I did! I gave us everything I had in Edmonton everything!! Only to move home in 2018 and because me and my son don’t go to the meetings we are also shunned too and it really hurts. I got remarried in 2021 and my parents didn’t even come to anything and that killed me! No one came to our wedding and my wife now is a beautiful inside and out and we have been and always will be happy together! We also have two more baby boys 3 and 5 months old now And I haven’t talked to either of my parents since the summer started and my oldest son now is 15 and they ignore him too! It’s not fair for my family and o he shunned by my family and friends all over religion!! Me and my wife are living clean moral lives and I just don’t get it!! It’s so sad how this religion is destroying so many family’s to be ripped apart and there’s nothing I can do about it
It’s the worst feeling I’ve ever had to endure.
@@clancyalexander6192 I wrote a comment to you but someone erased it but yes this cult destroys family’s of all the nations I can only imagine what others other then myself have gone through it’s hard and I’m a 38 year old Newfie that lost all my family but my own and that will never change. It’s there choices not mine
29:49 Yes, this happened all the time. I remember one such occasion when I was a kid when my mom recognized someone at the Kingdom Hall she hadn’t seen in a while. We walked up to her and my mom gave her a warm greeting to which the lady replied “I’m disfellowshipped”. My mom immediately averted her eyes from the lady and mumbled “oh” under her breath and quickly walked away.
It was so horrible and awkward. I felt so bad for the lady and never forgot that even though I went on to shun as well. I was well trained (programmed) but gratefully woke up.
This is absolutely brilliant Wally! I've sent this to my nephew's wife because she doesn't understand why my parents shun their grandson, her husband. And also for her to know what Watchtower teaches so she can steer clear of my mom who's always trying to get her to have a bible study. Thank you again for all you do.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏✌💜
Wally! I've veen worried about your mental health knowing you're having to watch the convention so that you can recap it for us like the Saint you are. This video is exceptional, thank you for your hard work.
Comprehensive and excellent work, in almost 30 years of following exJW stuff I don't think I've seen anyone put it together quite as well as you did.
Wow Wally your content is just amazing. I always feel better after watching your videos.
I was pressured into baptism by my family at 15 and then turned in by my diagnosed borderline mother and brother (2 witness rule) as going on a date with a worldly boy 2 years later. I was promptly sent a certified letter to meet with the committee to discuss. When I didn’t attend the meeting, I was promptly disfellowshipped. I lost everything - was kicked out of my home and had to work full time as soon as I graduated high school to support myself. I have lived with guilt, shame and judgement most of my life. I still see people in my community that I grew up with and they turn away, lower their eyes or look in pity. It impacted my self esteem and I dealt with severe anxiety, depression and PTSD from all of it.
I am only beginning to truly understand the magnitude of my experiences and finally let this stuff go and heal. Your content has been a real life saver. I truly look forward to watching you - you are helping so many people with presenting the facts and also bringing some levity to these crazy practices. I wish I could do more to shed light for kids being forced into baptism - being marked by disfellowshipping truly impacted my life. If anyone knows how to get involved to shed light to lawmakers. I’m willing to share my own story to help save others of this horrible humiliation. Love to those that have gone through this. You are not alone. ♥️♥️♥️
Hang in there beauti-FULL h-eart and "set-apart" one.🔥
Remember also?
The last, shall soon be first! ❤
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Thank you so much lovely! ♥️
@@LotusGrl4791 HalaluYAH si-STAR!
Have a YAHsome one❤️🔥💯
My mom regretted her baptism at 14. She would not let me get b. at 10. Used Jesus. Said J. was more important than Bethel.
@@janicehussock7735 Fortunately for you both, she brilliantly acquired precious wisdom to see through the darkness of their BS and deceit.
HalaluYAH❣️🔥💃
If I could, I would've given you an honorary diploma in JW history. I'm saving this video and I'll be watching it again.
@@cariocajin ditto!
Agreed. Excellent job Wally!!
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@@tammyg8031Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
Agreed. The way you break down the history makes it so easy to understand and see how it all evolved. This was the information I searched for 30 years ago when I was disfellowshipped and could not find. Thank you!!!!!! 🙏🏻
That's a mouthful to accomplish in just 50 minutes! JW History is a more detailed coverage, but it is hours, weeks, months long. But valid resources are used.
Good Job! Thanks 👍 50 min.
Bravoooo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 dates, references, direct quotes...you always deliver these types of videos but there's definitely something "next level" about this one. Keep it up, Wally!
Glad you’re back!
It’s only been a couple of weeks, but I agree
I like the way Wally controls his channel instead of his channel controlling him. Sometimes he’s a prolific content creator and sometimes he’s not. This was worth a couple of weeks wait. I always miss his content when he’s not around and am also happy when he’s back.
Very well put together and presented
Missed you man!
Welcome back Wally!!
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I'm glad they consider me an Apostate. 😂
I missed your face!!! Glad your back
Great ! The Second Great Awakening ! History major here, I could never understand how so many histories have overlooked this tent/revival beginning for the SDA, LDS , and WT (and others, in fact) the greater area of Americas NE was known as the Burnt Over District because of all this religious fervor.
Well Done my Man !
I read Jonathan Edwards. Liked him. It shocked me.
I just think of how many disfellowshipped people committed suicide because they lost everything and this “weakening” was never considered until the Watchtower lost MONEY.
It’s never been as clear that this religion is a business and that the GB is in it to grift.
@@TechnicolorGothic So true. My brothers and I all suffer from depression, anxiety and PTSD from the hell we went through as kids. We have all struggled as adults to try and lead “normal” lives. It’s the sad reality for so many of us that grew up this way.
@@LotusGrl4791 parents should be held accountable
TechnicolorGothic.. you are a big big a lier! What you said there are so many disfellowship people committed suicide because they lost everything, you're a crazy! You have an evidence what you said.. I just tell you frankly if your are JW before you know the truth if we are talking about offering. JW not collect of 10% because that is applicable only during the esrael according from Malachi 3:9,10. And applicable for the Christian.If the religion applied of 10% that is a cult and that is did of Sathans and devil.and JW what principle from the bible regarding the offering 2 Corinthians 9:7.. and during baptism, Death and nuptial day the JW not collect from the member what I have mentioned. And again you said disfellowship lost everything. And I just tell you frankly your are big big a lier.
Incredible video. As someone who has been shunned by my entire family since I was 18, it blows my mind how utterly absurd JW history is. Love your channel!
As soon as I turned 18 the same happened to me. That was in 1983. It's not always easy, especially while I was younger. But it beats the hell out of being a part of that dying cult.
I recently left the JW church. I'm 20 and have never believed in a god. The only reason I stayed was because I didn't want to lose everyone I know.
Imagine my surprise when my friends and family told me that it's okay and there's nothing wrong with it.
Your videos have really helped me to get the will and guts to address what I'm feeling. You are a legend ❤
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I've seen many anti-JW videos by ex-JWs, but I don't think I've ever seen a video that attempted to cover the timeline of the religion. I was never a JW, but I always thought Charles Taze Russell was the founder of the JWs. Technically, he wasn't. He founded Watch Tower, but it wasn't until Joseph F. Rutherford when the JWs that we know and loathe today came into existence. It's amazing that Russell, despite his faults, but a far more mellow religious leader than his successor.
This may help out.
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In the linked vid there should be sources in the description
TH-cam kept deleting my replies
Evil cult! This behavior is not human! 🤬
Wally, this video was so good! You outdid yourself! You must be feeling crazy from all the researching. ❤
The Millerite movement and chronology were influential. Nelson Barbour, who worked with CTRussell, was a Millerite who was still trying to work out the chronology. Darby and Dispensationalism was also a great influence. It's also worth considering that Fred Franz might've been on the austistic scale, and had his own ideas and reasonings (types, anti-types, fixations on words, etc).
When I looked into a lot of these movements (Christadelphia really intrigued me) I found that the famous dispute between Russell and Barbour wasn't as Watchtower portrayed it. They made it seem like Barbour outright rejected the ransom; what he rejected was Russell's idea that if Jesus took his human body back he would have nullified the ransom. Barbour, like just about any other Christian, believed in the physical resurrection.
Our God is a forgiving God. He certainly wouldn’t kick anyone out of a “church” even an odd one.
Great video, subscribing.
Excellent video. I was not aware of the many other older watchtower articles. You are to commended for all your research and effort.
Thank you Wally.I appreciate your research.
Þhe treatment òf people who have been treated and still are treated that way has caused so many suicides. 😢
It brings tears to my eyes.
A masterpiece!
I was just wondering where your ass has been lol this video is EXCELLENT! Saving this to watch again when I can take some notes.
Wally, I've been watching your stuff for a while and enjoy your work. But this one, I had to come on and say THANK YOU! I've been free 40 years now and I had no idea about this history. Thanks for this great contribution to people waking up and for getting the word out about the real 'truth.' ♥
My JW mom just stopped by to see me. It's been 25 years since I got df'd and she's never shunned me or treated me any different. From time to time she brings up changes in the organization. I'm kind of surprised she hasn't mentioned this "removed" nomenclature yet.
Edit: some here are aware that I was technically df'd for refusing to stop associating with a df'd friend. It had been known that I had apostate leanings but that was the technicality they got on me because I hadn't been fellowshipping for almost 3 years. At my judicial committee I brought my df'd friend as my witness that we never see each other or speak to each other at all. The elders didn't think it was funny.
They haven’t officially gone over it at the meetings yet. It’s published, but won’t be gone over until later this year. So most JWs don’t know this change exists
Honestly I been in prayer and asking God to please don't let any of my family try to contact me. They showed who they love more and it's their false god. So that bridge is burned. I'm happy without them and their JW drama.
Wow. Someone had to betray you. I faded.
depth, synthesis, meaningful sources, humor, gold medal work!
*The governing body trying not to provide legal wriggle room for themselves* : impossible.
was missing updates from you and man was this worth it!!!! im gonna have to go back and watch this a few more times and take notes. thanks so very much for all your digging, research and hard work on this. mucho appreciated!!!
You're doing such an awesome job in such an awesome way with such an awesome personality! I download all yr videos!
Glad you back!!!!. I miss your updates.
I think you need to write a booklet using these exact WT quotes and your exact words. This is an excellent podcast! Thank you, Wally! I also really appreciate that you are keeping to the facts, are clear, not angry and sarcastic, and something I might be able to send to someone who is looking into this cult.
Your intro music and how it fades in in the beginning is so fking satisfying
Thank you for showing that history.
As a long time former member of the JW's for 55 years; I have periodically studied publications and articles written by the pre-1952 era of their organization. And I never remember coming across these clearly expressed feelings of both C.T. Russel and J. F. Rutherford on disfellowshipping and shunning. The focus was always on doctrinal understanding revealed. But since your video and dozens of others released here on YT, the REAL SENTIMENTS of the original founders was against this ostracizing, villifying; shunning and ignoring people who either sinned or differed in their views or understanding of scriptures.
The average JW needs to watch this video and start thinking.
Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication on digging this history up.
As a former witness and me waking up this is insane... I am glad I left.
Good work ,Very nice.
Still loving your content Wally. My morning alarm is titled “Have a Good Ass Day”
That quote from the watchtower in Dec 1, 1882 is an eye opener for me. I never knew there was a time when witnesses believed Jesus died on the cross. When did that stop? Was that one of Rutherford's "new light" policies specifically to eradicate anything about Russell's teachings?
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Yes, that was strange I saw the crosses on the early picture of the actual watch “Tower” and inside the masonic crown and did you notice the LAUREL Leaves which are Caesar’s emblem as well the pharaohs crook ! The picture is full of satanic sigils!
Nothing can explain all of that - not even their infamous “ The light just got brighter” excuse.
Grace and Peace to all true followers of the real biblical Jesus Grace. Keep close to Him .
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Fantastic video.
It is an example of a group being turned into a cult through black-and-white doctrines.
I'm not an exjw or former cult member.
I highly recommend this video for the general public trying to understand cults.
I think it’s so funny they have such an interesting occultist history and they’re so beige and corporate now
Bc they’re just a real estate corporation now
So good to see you and TH-cam is not the same when you're away for long periods of time. Your content has helped me understand this cult and validate my strong opinions about them. My sister has been brainwashed for over 30 years or so and now I get it why she acts a particular way.
* Ringing bell "UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!!"
Not the Wilhelm Scream 😂😅
I’m enjoying listening to your videos this morning . I’ve gone down the rabbit holes again since the New Zealand news so been watching things I’ve missed while I took a break from it all before I crash and burn lol. Is 6:29 am Thursday morning. I have insomnia at the moment, going to doc today at 11:30 am and haven’t been to sleep…. No good going to sleep now ….. watching videos about JWs …… lessss gooooooo!
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You rock! What do I need to do to get you and Jake to give JW Streams another go?
Thanks for all you do Wally!
Great work 🏆👏🏼
Love ya Wally!! Missed ya! However, it's important to take care of you! 💝 hope you are fantabulous 🎉 great job as always!!!
Wally, I'm in awe of the excellent presentation of the facts on disfellowshipping over the last 150 years, and how Company man Knorr changed the rules and changed a religion into a Corporate Cult.
This is your best video to date, and thank you for your excellent presentation and research!
This is so amazingly brilliant.
Thank you for your hard work for the truth!
Your editing at intros and timing the musoc is 🤌
Excellent informational video, amusing too and well made. youtube recommendations well done 🎯👌
Two days ago I learned that my 90yo grandfather passed away and today I watched the service from Zoom. I haven't been a JW since ~2009 officially, but probably more than 5yrs before that. So I haven't had contact with my entire family in over 15yrs. I was happy to not make a fuss about not being an active JW, but my parents forced it to a head by calling the elders and I refused to talk to them, thus disassociating myself. The worst part in all of this is that my 90yo grandfather was my mentor, the one I respected more than anyone else in my life and I shared a great relationship with over the years and shared a lot of similar interests. I still remember him saying "unfortunately, if you continue down this path, we will have to cease to be friends". That was a deep cut. I've moved on, almost immediately, but to think that I lost my friendship with my grandfather and other family members because I no longer wanted to live according to their rules (which have been proven to change willy nilly), down right sucks
Wow, I’m glad you shared this so much. I always wanted to deep dive but this is the perfect platform for this.
Also, I’m unsure if you know him but my favorite Sim content creators’ picture is a lot like yours. Nard Sims.
Great informative video Wally.
Your delivery is hilarious 😂 boy howdy did he keep pouring on that kerosene lol
Glad your back buddy
Very well done thank you for your research and presentation always keeps me looked in like a pimi
As a third generation and gone from it for decades now this is shocking. My parents are rolling in their grave. This is all contrary to how we were taught.
You are articulate and poised in your presentation. Loved the content
Brilliant video!
Missed your videos!! Glad you’re back!
Very well put together Walley, what an effort. 👍
You're doing Gods work dude. All puns intended. We have to bring awareness to the flaws of this cult and the harm they cause.
In the 90's I was disfellowshipped for having contact and maintaining a friendship with a disfellowshipped person. The judicial committee decided that because there were some JW witnessed me dancing with a disfellowshipped at a non JW wedding reception . The elders felt that because I didn't cry it was an expression of not repentant .
@@majecal1818 so sad😔
Waiting on my free cute puppy still ❤😂 thanks for doing the research Wally!
Excellent Wally! Saving this for my family when they WAKE UP!!!❤😂😢😅😊🎉
This is so enlightening 😮
Hello Wally😊so good to see/hear you! ☺️
Was getting worried about you!
Excellent research, Wally! With governments becoming more and more aware of the practices of this cult, the more they will have to tweet their rules to exhaustion. Meanwhile, I am optimistic that many families will awaken sooner than later, and get out of this insanity.
Missed you! 😊 let me get my popcorn 🍿
Good to see you back on anthore great video keep up the good work teaching us factual information against the jw cult.
Wally this was great, choosing to go back to early Russell and roll forward. chronologically.
Would be wonderful if you could do the same historical inventory focusing on the WTs evolving view on birthdays and Christmas. That may give insight into what happens next in regards to policy changes. Thx. 🙏
Knorr, the third president ruled the organization with an iron fist! He was also a narcist and his word was law! Knorr's favorite color was green. So guess what folks? Knorr had the bethelites produce Green bibles back then!
he didn't like beards!
Tour De Force :) The witness disfellowshipping policy is exactly what one would expect from those who worship the evil YHWH.
This is one of the best histories of the JW's I have come across, and there are quite a few good ones. probably made better because it has one particular focus. without a focus some histories tend to get a bit lost in the weeds. I'm hoping that Wally will do some companion histories along these lines.
What I find striking amongst the many denial mechanisms that JW's have is their 'disinterest' (stemming from discomfort really) in the organisaton's history. They don't mind touching on it but try a deeper dive and they start looking for ways to disengage..
The wording of the 1952 watchtower sound exactly the same as it is now crazy
i had to back up and recheck the date because the language is so much the same, i wondered if i'd actually heard that article when i was in back in the 70s and 80s. INSANE
They been dis fellowing for many years I am Canadian and have heard that happening for at least over 25 years from members themselves in regions itself surrounding me. Truly heartbreaking evoke practices like that does damage that it does not need at all by any means.
Great Job Wally thanks
Thankyou for doing the research that I'm too lazy to do 😅
This is a good one
34:58 thank you this is soooo true the mental anguish that was caused from disfellowshipping, I have PTSD now because of being born in and born in the 1970’s
Before my bother killed himself he said “ it’s too late to get reinstated. The ends coming and I can’t get my life together before parade “. That church killed. My brother
I’m so sorry for your loss. 💔
with the new word "remove" rather than " disfellowship" , does it mean that Tony Morris is now disfellowshipped?
I want to know what his thoughts have been. Not an anointed member in an ivory tower, does the matchstick represent him? Has he been, or will he be snuffed out? How is HIS mental health at this time?
This is disturbing. I can't imagine how the people shunned felt being isolated like this. How is this Christ like, seriously?
Yes unfortunately it is tre here is evidence
In the links
I'm going to my 1st (& only) Convention Fri am. Wish me luck!! And Welcome Back.
May be a little too late but, all the best 🎉.
Glad you covered this. I learned a lot.
You nailed it Wally. nailed it. But know if God told JW.Borg to stop removing/df'ing ppl they would still do it. Some them, you know, love it. It's the greatest abuse of the smallest amount of power I have ever experienced in LIFE.
Great video ! It all comes back to How do we deal with separation ? God disfellowshipped Adam and Eve from the garden because of knowledge. I still have problems grappling my head around what that means. Jesus disfellowshipped Judas from the 12 when he dipped the bread with him and said “I will dip this bread into the dish. The man I give it to is the man who will turn against me.” John 13, 26-30. I can just imagine how that felt and how much resentment that seed grew in Judas heart. Paul and the guys after him kept up the practice over no matter consequences.
BUT when reading 1. Kor.13 i understand that Gods ways are so much different !!
Im thinking that its a good thing that JW are trying to change to the better, even thou it was money that pushed them to it (first in Norway). But I pray for greater understanding around the issue and that we understand that Love dont separate but unite.
21:11 that line we are not coerce is the same line used at annual meeting released last year. So they still use old old old old articles for information therefore reconsidering DF all together should be o the table.
Hey one thing we can thank the JW org for is it made us good public speakers and we can handle rejection well. These skills have served me well thru life. Lol
I checked out mentally in 05 when my mom died. Escaped fully by 08. Just now starting to read other past member accounts. Crazy!
Wow Wally I never even thought about it until now...how would you shun an 8-year-old baptized brother or sister... This breaks my heart but thanks for bringing awareness as you always do 🙏🏾
That poor kid can't live with their parents anymore! How cruel!
Thanks Wally 😊
The intent is the same to promote harm n shame n severe self hate
"Personally, I have never believed in the disfellowshipping doctrine, even though I have been a Jehovah's Witness for 50 years. To prove it, you can ask those who have been disfellowshipped; I have always greeted them secretly and loved them for who they are, regardless."
Mee too this because of this
Always appreciate your work. Its not easy to create content for extremely boring cult.