No they made fun of her for not having good money and valuing work life balance over grinding. Also the amount of time she blocked these people and they could somehow still message her lol
When my mother expressed frustration that I (27+ and single, no boyfried) wasn't providing her with grandchildren, I assured her i could, but preferred to be married first. The shock shut her up.
Strictly speaking that’s not really required right? It’s like the government has figured out a way to lockdown your ovaries until you sign a license giving them executive power over you and your partner.
I actually said something like this to my grandma once during a family dinner (don't worry, she gives as good as she takes, she is just slightly pushy because she loves when the family has kids). It was something like: "(married cousin's name) doesn't want kids so we need you to give us some soon" "Hey I can go to any street corner and you give you a grandbaby, but I won't take care of them and I wouldn't know the father...Maybe not a good idea" She didn't expect that since I'm usually silent and reserved.
It's called skip the drama and go on vacation somewhere warm and sunny. Possibly a beach, mai tai in hand do a selfie and text the fam "Happy Holidays!" With that pic. Or ignore the family. It doesn't matter when you are away.
Wow you were the punching bag. You were right to walk out. "Family" when they want money or allow you to be verbally abused. You are so right to walk away.
Learn to use the "block" button an invest in legal assistance. Cease and deceased letters, RO's and finally criminal charges for harassment and emotional abuse. Family is the price we pay for not being called orphans.
SMH... First the OP claims that they've "blocked" all lines of communication with them, only to then come back and claim that they've "reached out" (i.e., text/email) to them. And then to make matters worse, they actually responded to 'em, essentially opened up those lines of communication with 'em, after previously stating that they'd gone "no contact" with them. Apparently, these OPs don't understand the meaning of the phrase "no contact".
Being the family bridge isn’t easy, but I am glad you were able to move past that and set boundaries for the situation. I am happy for you, and wish for the best outcome for you.
My grandfather used to say, "anyone that says you must always respect your elders usually deserves no respect." Also, once the scapegoat leaves they need to adjust the dynamics. The dysfunctional family needs a scapegoat at all times or it collapses.
My MIL always said " Th Bible says to honor your mother and father". This means all holidays, birthdays, etc were to be spent ONLY with her. NOT MY Mother.
OMG, please go as low contact with everyone of these AHs.. Stop giving them money, stop being the family scapegoat and STOP going to these family events.. When family's suck this bad, you need to protect yourself.. As i continue to listen all I can think is : Block these people on every form!! No contact at all.. They are so damn TOXIC.. If fact, I think you should move away from all these jagoffs..
You're brave. If I had spent years caught up into this toxicity, I would've walked away and never looked back. Sometimes we just have to evolve out of our family core and start our own.
Listening to this reminds me why I put a lot of distance between myself and relatives. I didn't set boundaries for trying to "keep the peace" because of my mothers guilt trips. I was treated like s**t at the hands of relatives due to not setting boundaries. Once I set them, I was instantly the villain, especially in the eyes of my FAR older half sisters. It is good for OP with setting boundaries. Family is not always biology, which is the lesson that I learned. Friends can definitely be more family than actual blood relatives.
Every year that I can recall, my mother made a point to suffer through Thanks Giving and ruined the atmosphere. I made a point to never spend one again after I left home.
Family makes fun of op: Op stands up for herself: Family shocked pikachu face… Op, if I were you I would’ve doubled the f down… and if the flying monkeys were so concerned about family then they can be the butt of their jokes…
I found ignoring the noise is the best thing because they already believe the way they do ! Then when you don’t jump to apologise the flood of text and phone calls . Then when you block them and they use other numbers to contact you or other people . I’m no contact with these people now and will not go back .
How difficult it is to lose the family scapegoat that was the toxic families reason for existence. How will they build themselves up now without someone to criticize and put down to keep the family dynamic going. Good on op
The fact that they kept making a huge ruckus over something as simple as _a relative walking away from a dinner_ shows that they are horribly entitled. Good riddance.
Go no contact with the whole toxic family permanently; not temporary! Getting up and walking away is the best form of standing up for yourself! Do not cut your cousin out!
When our boys were small we read to them from a book, whose message was that a family is a circle of people who love you. The flip side of that message is that if someone isn't in that circle, they aren't really family, blood be damned.
17:46 OP could have replied to Mom with, "I don't care about any of the pain any of you are going through since I left because none of you cared about the pain you were causing me every time we met, and every time you spoke of me behind my back to others. I'm better off without you. I have no interest in reconnecting with any of you anytime soon."
My family was alot like that. I was the punching bag for my whole family. My opinion was never taken seriously and when i stood up for myself i was told to stop being difficult and be quiet. It involves alot of beinf called stupid and somehow being at fult whenever my parents or siblings had a bad day. Nobody knew what to do when i became an adult and went low contact. They all turned on each other and now we only see each other once a year if that.
I’ve had this from parts of the family in the past in tried to call them out in a way that made it clear I would not tolerate and reminded them that i could not be manipulated controlled or shamed even at one point reminding them of parts of my college education classes in psychology counseling etc. when it continued I was no longer tolerate and came down hart easily defeating there attempts at manipulating me or shaming me and told them this was level 1 for me of dealing with them and told them they did not want to escalate to level 2 or beyond each level would only be worse for them. They did push it to level 2 that being double they never tried for level 3
OO said she blocked them all, but she can still receive messages and emails from some of them. Then she said she enjoyed being independent of them, but would still go and meet them after all this time for a dumb letter. OP might as well just go back to her days of being verbally abused if she can't even grow a spine to just cut them off and live in peace
If your mother wanted a calm and peaceful thanksgiving she wouldn't have said anything that was about the so called past issues making them a present issues.
Poat 1: That last written apology letter is a trap, only set because they realised theg newded her as the scapegiat and lightning rod, people like OPs family will only "change" for a few month's, then they will shift back.
First she said no contacts for weeks then she says a week after the Thanksgiving, then she blocked her parents and siblings, then her phone start buzzing, its either AI generated or she is on something 😂😂😂
While I'm not sure if this is true or not, this is exactly how I feel in my family. I'm the family scapegoat and they claim they have to walk on eggshells around me but they don't realize my reaction is based on how mean they are when talking to me
this video was really engaging and I appreciate how you shared your experience so openly. but honestly, I can’t help but think walking out might not have been the best choice. sometimes, it feels like we need to stick it out, even when things get tough, to keep family bonds strong. what do you all think?
There's a time for compromise, a time for silence, a time for defending yourself. Defending one's self also sometimes includes being on the offense. Just sad that some people can't even begin to grasp the need for all that as well as lack the ability to discern whenabouts to do what. I am starting to believe that these stories are an ad for therapists. That said, nothing wrong with the profession. Sometimes, others really do need some external intervention.
The end: Wasn't it easier to find a good man, marry him and start a new, non-toxic family. People don't change. Shortly OP will post an update crying that there's more of the same old thing going on!
Fascinating. By the end I was wondering if you should be nominated for sainthood or if you still had some small seed of self-destruction remaining. Therapy is a necessity, but I don't understand why you didn't ghost group as of the first Thanksgiving fiasco. But that's just me.
So, no one is discussing the fact that she blocked her mother.. . Twice? Edit 1: These people need to be asked if a boyfriend or husband had treated her like they had, would they have encouraged OP to keep taking the abuse? Edit 2: How are you the fixer of being the victim of their abuse? What sense does that make?
Some people think "family" excuses anything & everything, as if merely sharing some DNA means your life is subject to unlimited criticism or emotional abuse. I'm not one of those people. I'd have left way earlier. It's VERY appropriate that she "ruined" their dinner since they clearly (and repeatedly) ruined hers. The post-blowup meeting and 'text wars' was even more messed up. The therapy session, or at least the description here, seemed way too rehearsed to be real.
I'm frustrated for her an I'm now frustrated she as such good self control I would have already cursed eachonr of them out in a few seconds then broke. Something and walked out then go no contact at all exact for the peaple who helped me 😂😂😂
Please can some of stories end with the central character maybe, sending the letter back unopened or saying, 'dont worry, will chat more at one of your funerals, see you then'
the parents do not get that respect is earned not a given! and from all op has posted none of them deserve ops respect why is she the family whipping post? why is she expected to sit there and quietly accept their abuse, every time the "family" gets together? and noone in the family shows her any consideration and respect even the cousin buckled under, after a time gaslighting, emotional blackmail, verbal abuse. thats what op has been subjected to.......but where is the love from family not onr of these people showed her any love or familial bond. other than what they can get out of her for their own ends amd amusement what disgusting people op is better off disowning the lot of them
How...if you blocked your family...did they keep sending messages ?...you allowed them to keep messing with you...when i cut my father at 16 ...it was complete , never even tried to meet half- siblings , and cut ANY family or friend who tried to change my mind ..also permently and complete ... family can hurt and betray you more severely then anyone else....make your own choices to hell with what anyone else thinks
The fact OP blocked her mom 3 times. . . 3 ?? OP never unblocked her, so how tf was her mom able to text OP. I hate the fact OP was like “i’ll ignore them! I know i’m right.” Even though it was clearly affecting her rather than speaking out. OP didn’t change. Such a doormat. This is so annoying. “It’ll lead to more drama” “i didn’t want to go back and forth” or “for the first time i understand this wasn’t my fault” Op, you are a doormat. You are too naive. You are too idiotic. OP still accepted them back in.. how stupid. If they posted online, they can apologize online. Are they not gonna address the fact that now, random people online are gonna think OP was a bad person? Relatives and friends, not aware of the truth? And OP’s family dont seem like the type of trustable people to admit to others when they’re asked “hey, what happened to OP?” They’re not gonna say the truth. They’re just going to sweep it under the rug. And act like nothing happened.
wow !so a geniune question so you told u blocked them all and within seconds u r telling u got message from your family . i guess ai can be consistent with the story.
I found the problem at 6:29. OP has a "therapist." Seeing one of those quacks is only going to cause pain. Their reason for being is to fill people's heads with nonsense, psychobabble jargon, and drain their bank accounts. NEVER SEE A THERAPIST, not for any reason. You WILL regret it. EDIT: Will someone explain to me why the AI can't pronounce 'Jessica?' That's an extremely common name. To fuck it up like that is unacceptable.
You don't know because you should put it on social media the apology each one should write one in public because the damage is done there believe me there's people that don't know about that last meeting that are looking at you as a bad guy The Whispers will always be there you can't get rid of them they will come back years from now and they will cost you something because people will look and they will see you with your family and think that they're forgiving you
You can pick you friends but not your family, I choose to only bother with the nice family and the others I ignore and I have 4 children and we are so happy with the nice family the others can do one they are not wellcome at my home including my so called dad who is a narcissist idiot who wants to control everything ,,I grew up with that so no more,,
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They make fun of her for having a good job and making good money and not being married yet. But they wanted her to help her brother out.
The fall in line line that gets me
No they made fun of her for not having good money and valuing work life balance over grinding. Also the amount of time she blocked these people and they could somehow still message her lol
They don't know what to do with themselves without their scapegoat.
What country is this in
Good for you!
When my mother expressed frustration that I (27+ and single, no boyfried) wasn't providing her with grandchildren, I assured her i could, but preferred to be married first. The shock shut her up.
🤣
good for you for doing it the right way
Strictly speaking that’s not really required right?
It’s like the government has figured out a way to lockdown your ovaries until you sign a license giving them executive power over you and your partner.
I actually said something like this to my grandma once during a family dinner (don't worry, she gives as good as she takes, she is just slightly pushy because she loves when the family has kids). It was something like:
"(married cousin's name) doesn't want kids so we need you to give us some soon"
"Hey I can go to any street corner and you give you a grandbaby, but I won't take care of them and I wouldn't know the father...Maybe not a good idea"
She didn't expect that since I'm usually silent and reserved.
your mother has no right to expect grandchildren, marriage is fake, finding a good partner is essential and life insurance
It's called skip the drama and go on vacation somewhere warm and sunny. Possibly a beach, mai tai in hand do a selfie and text the fam "Happy Holidays!" With that pic. Or ignore the family. It doesn't matter when you are away.
Wow you were the punching bag. You were right to walk out. "Family" when they want money or allow you to be verbally abused. You are so right to walk away.
Keep the peace and family helps is such bullshit. They want a punching bag.
Doesn’t sound like much of a family to save. Just move on.
Learn to use the "block" button an invest in legal assistance. Cease and deceased letters, RO's and finally criminal charges for harassment and emotional abuse. Family is the price we pay for not being called orphans.
That last line........
No contact with everyone! NTA.
Make your own holiday.
Funny how OP "has to fall in line", but the rest of the family are free to take digs at OP.
So much for "keeping the peace".
SMH...
First the OP claims that they've "blocked" all lines of communication with them, only to then come back and claim that they've "reached out" (i.e., text/email) to them.
And then to make matters worse, they actually responded to 'em, essentially opened up those lines of communication with 'em, after previously stating that they'd gone "no contact" with them.
Apparently, these OPs don't understand the meaning of the phrase "no contact".
How is the phone buzzing when everybody is blocked? 😂
AI cannot comprehend time
Calling from other numbers?
Fr
@@kimmieb2uit would be specified but is ai generated so it wasn't
She blocked her mom, then she blocked her mom again lol
ah yes it's always the scapegoat that has to think about "family".
They're just mad they don't get to bully OP anymore.
OP is being treated like Luisa from encanto,always having to fix things without having time to be themself
Being the family bridge isn’t easy, but I am glad you were able to move past that and set boundaries for the situation. I am happy for you, and wish for the best outcome for you.
My grandfather used to say, "anyone that says you must always respect your elders usually deserves no respect."
Also, once the scapegoat leaves they need to adjust the dynamics. The dysfunctional family needs a scapegoat at all times or it collapses.
My MIL always said " Th Bible says to honor your mother and father".
This means all holidays, birthdays, etc were to be spent ONLY with her. NOT MY Mother.
This family is so Toxic thath just ear this piece is enough for make someone sick
Still single?
Yes! I get to do whatever whenever I want.
OMG, please go as low contact with everyone of these AHs.. Stop giving them money, stop being the family scapegoat and STOP going to these family events.. When family's suck this bad, you need to protect yourself.. As i continue to listen all I can think is : Block these people on every form!! No contact at all.. They are so damn TOXIC.. If fact, I think you should move away from all these jagoffs..
This is why I have a love-hate relationship with my family
You're brave. If I had spent years caught up into this toxicity, I would've walked away and never looked back. Sometimes we just have to evolve out of our family core and start our own.
Listening to this reminds me why I put a lot of distance between myself and relatives. I didn't set boundaries for trying to "keep the peace" because of my mothers guilt trips. I was treated like s**t at the hands of relatives due to not setting boundaries. Once I set them, I was instantly the villain, especially in the eyes of my FAR older half sisters.
It is good for OP with setting boundaries. Family is not always biology, which is the lesson that I learned. Friends can definitely be more family than actual blood relatives.
I searched "Drama" and found this video
Just sue for defamation.
Every year that I can recall, my mother made a point to suffer through Thanks Giving and ruined the atmosphere. I made a point to never spend one again after I left home.
Funny, if she is so wrong and troublesome you would think her family would be glad she left.
Op shouldnt even be viewibg their messages honestly. She shouldnt give them the satisfaction honestly, like block them gor real for real.
Family makes fun of op:
Op stands up for herself:
Family shocked pikachu face…
Op, if I were you I would’ve doubled the f down… and if the flying monkeys were so concerned about family then they can be the butt of their jokes…
Without OP as the fams' punching bag, all they have is themselves to hurt.
I found ignoring the noise is the best thing because they already believe the way they do ! Then when you don’t jump to apologise the flood of text and phone calls . Then when you block them and they use other numbers to contact you or other people . I’m no contact with these people now and will not go back .
OMG!!! Such a toxic family!! I don't know how this poor woman didn't run away screaming!!!
How difficult it is to lose the family scapegoat that was the toxic families reason for existence. How will they build themselves up now without someone to criticize and put down to keep the family dynamic going. Good on op
The fact that they kept making a huge ruckus over something as simple as _a relative walking away from a dinner_ shows that they are horribly entitled. Good riddance.
Go no contact with the whole toxic family permanently; not temporary! Getting up and walking away is the best form of standing up for yourself! Do not cut your cousin out!
When our boys were small we read to them from a book, whose message was that a family is a circle of people who love you. The flip side of that message is that if someone isn't in that circle, they aren't really family, blood be damned.
Honestly I haven’t rolled my eyes more in my life 🙄
17:46 OP could have replied to Mom with, "I don't care about any of the pain any of you are going through since I left because none of you cared about the pain you were causing me every time we met, and every time you spoke of me behind my back to others. I'm better off without you. I have no interest in reconnecting with any of you anytime soon."
My family was alot like that. I was the punching bag for my whole family. My opinion was never taken seriously and when i stood up for myself i was told to stop being difficult and be quiet. It involves alot of beinf called stupid and somehow being at fult whenever my parents or siblings had a bad day. Nobody knew what to do when i became an adult and went low contact. They all turned on each other and now we only see each other once a year if that.
At the end of the therapy meetup I would’ve asked what made them change so much that’s a real big step from what they used to do🧐🤨🧐🤨
I’ve had this from parts of the family in the past in tried to call them out in a way that made it clear I would not tolerate and reminded them that i could not be manipulated controlled or shamed even at one point reminding them of parts of my college education classes in psychology counseling etc. when it continued I was no longer tolerate and came down hart easily defeating there attempts at manipulating me or shaming me and told them this was level 1 for me of dealing with them and told them they did not want to escalate to level 2 or beyond each level would only be worse for them. They did push it to level 2 that being double they never tried for level 3
Why allow yourself to be the punching bag- family isn’t blood it’s who cares about you and is there for you.
OO said she blocked them all, but she can still receive messages and emails from some of them. Then she said she enjoyed being independent of them, but would still go and meet them after all this time for a dumb letter. OP might as well just go back to her days of being verbally abused if she can't even grow a spine to just cut them off and live in peace
If your mother wanted a calm and peaceful thanksgiving she wouldn't have said anything that was about the so called past issues making them a present issues.
Any holiday, shouldn't be used to roast a family member, it defeats the purpose of having a family function on a holiday.
They don't like you..why do they miss you? Oh no one else to pile on? Lol. Block everyone!!
Poat 1: That last written apology letter is a trap, only set because they realised theg newded her as the scapegiat and lightning rod, people like OPs family will only "change" for a few month's, then they will shift back.
OP's phone was buzzing with messages from people she'd blocked?
First she said no contacts for weeks then she says a week after the Thanksgiving, then she blocked her parents and siblings, then her phone start buzzing, its either AI generated or she is on something 😂😂😂
While I'm not sure if this is true or not, this is exactly how I feel in my family. I'm the family scapegoat and they claim they have to walk on eggshells around me but they don't realize my reaction is based on how mean they are when talking to me
Family injustice
OP talks about it
Cryptic Facebook posts
Relative start pressuring
Do it for family
Started therapy
this video was really engaging and I appreciate how you shared your experience so openly. but honestly, I can’t help but think walking out might not have been the best choice. sometimes, it feels like we need to stick it out, even when things get tough, to keep family bonds strong. what do you all think?
Go no contact with your younger cousin! What he did is a betrayal!
It’s hilarious when trash can’t fathom when a person is done w them.
There's a time for compromise, a time for silence, a time for defending yourself. Defending one's self also sometimes includes being on the offense. Just sad that some people can't even begin to grasp the need for all that as well as lack the ability to discern whenabouts to do what.
I am starting to believe that these stories are an ad for therapists. That said, nothing wrong with the profession. Sometimes, others really do need some external intervention.
Jesus Christ! With family like that, I don’t blame her for not procreating.
These stories make the word family sound dirty
As for thanksgiving with families like this what is there to be thankful for.
17:18 my sister, Jeseeseeca
How did she keep getting all those messages after she "blocked" everybody?
Different numbers, possibly.
Move to the next town and change your phone number. That will block 90% of the crud
The end: Wasn't it easier to find a good man, marry him and start a new, non-toxic family. People don't change. Shortly OP will post an update crying that there's more of the same old thing going on!
HAVE A GOOD DAY
0:59 shorts ppl
Fascinating. By the end I was wondering if you should be nominated for sainthood or if you still had some small seed of self-destruction remaining. Therapy is a necessity, but I don't understand why you didn't ghost group as of the first Thanksgiving fiasco. But that's just me.
So OP is her Family's emotional Punching bag.
So, no one is discussing the fact that she blocked her mother.. . Twice?
Edit 1: These people need to be asked if a boyfriend or husband had treated her like they had, would they have encouraged OP to keep taking the abuse?
Edit 2: How are you the fixer of being the victim of their abuse? What sense does that make?
They always start painting 🙄 Then get a promotion.
Never go there again- family ya know ?
You should have never agreed to the meeting!
You family don't like you but want control over you. You are free. You don't owe them anything.
Some people think "family" excuses anything & everything, as if merely sharing some DNA means your life is subject to unlimited criticism or emotional abuse. I'm not one of those people. I'd have left way earlier. It's VERY appropriate that she "ruined" their dinner since they clearly (and repeatedly) ruined hers. The post-blowup meeting and 'text wars' was even more messed up. The therapy session, or at least the description here, seemed way too rehearsed to be real.
Funny, if she is so wrong and troublesome you would think her family would be glad she left. And Thanksgiving? Did all this take place over a year?
I thought everyone was blocked????
This sounds AI generated to me. Did you notice how OP blocks people and in the next sentence mentions getting messages from them?
Good for the girl
Block them all
If everyone is an asshole then they should eat their own shit if they can't take the no excuse end of contact action
I'm frustrated for her an I'm now frustrated she as such good self control I would have already cursed eachonr of them out in a few seconds then broke. Something and walked out then go no contact at all exact for the peaple who helped me 😂😂😂
Burned STUFFING? Something doesn´t add up here.
Sorry the flashing words are annoying
Please can some of stories end with the central character maybe, sending the letter back unopened or saying, 'dont worry, will chat more at one of your funerals, see you then'
Me when fake stories
“Jee-sec-uha”
Invest in a program that actually pronounces properly in English.
the parents do not get that
respect is earned not a given!
and from all op has posted none of them deserve ops respect
why is she the family whipping post?
why is she expected to sit there and quietly accept their abuse, every time the "family" gets together?
and noone in the family shows her any consideration and respect
even the cousin buckled under, after a time
gaslighting, emotional blackmail, verbal abuse.
thats what op has been subjected to.......but where is the love from family
not onr of these people showed her any love or familial bond. other than what they can get out of her for their own ends amd amusement
what disgusting people
op is better off disowning the lot of them
How...if you blocked your family...did they keep sending messages ?...you allowed them to keep messing with you...when i cut my father at 16 ...it was complete , never even tried to meet half- siblings , and cut ANY family or friend who tried to change my mind ..also permently and complete ... family can hurt and betray you more severely then anyone else....make your own choices to hell with what anyone else thinks
Good
How can she get messages from people she has blocked ???
Family were blocked so how did they message.
After going NC, she is still in contact?????
The fact OP blocked her mom 3 times.
.
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3 ?? OP never unblocked her, so how tf was her mom able to text OP.
I hate the fact OP was like “i’ll ignore them! I know i’m right.” Even though it was clearly affecting her rather than speaking out. OP didn’t change. Such a doormat. This is so annoying. “It’ll lead to more drama” “i didn’t want to go back and forth” or “for the first time i understand this wasn’t my fault”
Op, you are a doormat. You are too naive. You are too idiotic.
OP still accepted them back in.. how stupid.
If they posted online, they can apologize online. Are they not gonna address the fact that now, random people online are gonna think OP was a bad person? Relatives and friends, not aware of the truth? And OP’s family dont seem like the type of trustable people to admit to others when they’re asked “hey, what happened to OP?” They’re not gonna say the truth. They’re just going to sweep it under the rug. And act like nothing happened.
wow !so a geniune question so you told u blocked them all and within seconds u r telling u got message from your family . i guess ai can be consistent with the story.
Wow. That reads like a bad novel.
So start posting all the truth and the messages
I found the problem at 6:29. OP has a "therapist." Seeing one of those quacks is only going to cause pain. Their reason for being is to fill people's heads with nonsense, psychobabble jargon, and drain their bank accounts. NEVER SEE A THERAPIST, not for any reason. You WILL regret it.
EDIT: Will someone explain to me why the AI can't pronounce 'Jessica?' That's an extremely common name. To fuck it up like that is unacceptable.
Slow down on the narration.
Jessissica!
You don't know because you should put it on social media the apology each one should write one in public because the damage is done there believe me there's people that don't know about that last meeting that are looking at you as a bad guy The Whispers will always be there you can't get rid of them they will come back years from now and they will cost you something because people will look and they will see you with your family and think that they're forgiving you
Huge
You can pick you friends but not your family, I choose to only bother with the nice family and the others I ignore and I have 4 children and we are so happy with the nice family the others can do one they are not wellcome at my home including my so called dad who is a narcissist idiot who wants to control everything ,,I grew up with that so no more,,
The poster sounds like a bit of a defensive drama queen learn to give as good as you get