3:30 U.G. : " I understand because we believe in something and unfortunately you have a need to believe, and naturally there is somebody else who believes in a totally different thing. So belief separates us-- as long as you succumb to your belief so long there will be wars."
thats not true, me and my friend support different football teams but we dont start war with each other . its people who take their beliefs to an extremes only that cause war, otherwise i dont see all people belonging to different religions fighting each other everyday.
@@notknown234 a football team isn’t a belief. It would have been no different if you said “I like pizza and my friend doesn’t like pizza, but we don’t start wars with eachother.” Religious beliefs are essentially beliefs on how we should behave and treat eachother, or as UG says, all religious beliefs are born out of the question “How to live?” So everybody is always trying to impose their way of behaving and living on others.
@@notknown234 all the games, olympics etc are there in order to consume your egoic drive. All government are human farming operations. They have been promoting all these cultural events in order to keep you from having an interest on what is actually going on or asking yourself the deeper questions of life. In order to maintain the hierarchical structure people must pe obedient to it otherwise society will fall apart. The problem is that the big cultural structure permanently seeks expansion and in expanding encounters other hierarchical structures that's when hell breaks loose and wars start. See the wars in the middle east and more recently Ukraine. On the surface it is claimed that these wars are about democracy or to prevent some fictitious threat but in reality they are fought for the expansion of the thought structure and the influence and reach of corporations that dictate the agenda and make the calls. It's all aimed towards a legal robbery of the planet for profit gain. Your government will always preach love and compassion and tolerance but that's for the sole reason that it's bad for business. You and your friend supporting different football teams are just two fish in a bowl.
What a brilliant guy! Hit the nail on the head - you make the followers/someone else look bad because you believe in Jesus. Its just a matter of belief. But its perfect when he says that no society or people can completely conform to either the system of politics, religion or law because these are based on beliefs that are values and ideals of "some" people. And surely others cannot live upto "all" the values of these systems just the way its intended. Nature doesnt work as a man made system. Nature is random. Every person is unique and behaves as per his or her own belief. Manipulating ones belief to fit the system wont create a harmonious environment in the society. It only creates chaos and discomfort at the end where the system ends up becoming dysfunctional and thereby only creating problems and not solving them. So its better to have a "system" where one has their own belief and own god. Finally I think I can accept UG and Alan Watts as my gurus :) Super!!
Really I am sure of anything. We are stuck in a language that is not capable of being able to see clear at all. Any thought i have is in unable to understand. When we speak of energy, again I am not able to understand what is happening. Good luck
The fact that people have placed another value judgment on him (that he's "negative"), in order to once again compartmentalize him, because of the need to "figure things out", is the problem. He couldn't be further from being negative, to me.
UG is a genius and they have no idea what he's talking about. No idea. These people commenting on UG's words is like having the Amish comment on Nietzsche.
And the radio host thinks he's so smart (Idiot). UG is not a nihilist nor does he say he doesn't believe in god, he says god is irrelevant, meaning irrelevant to the problems of mankind and answering the questions of how we should live.
+Victor jandle Sang yum, I see myself as a sad person. I don't feel like I've accepted whatever it is if that is what I see. You say "jump" and I know that action; you say "wave" and I know what to do. If you say "accept it", I don't understand what I'm supposed to do. Something in your mind, but I still manage to feel like I haven't really done something to rid myself of the sad things.
Johny Balohny Can one take away the words "I know" in their existence. These words seem to imply that all we encounter will end with our knowledge. You the doorway for your environment to thrive.
He said it arnd 9:30 - It ends up being your opinion Vs my opinion! And that's the end of dialogue! That's what I have been saying for sometime now! And the western people are putting him on this pedestal because they like liked to be shocked and amazed! Tho I agree, they created a more advanced version of human life using science and technology. Tho that has led only few with strong intellect to come at the forefront, and placed a consistent pressure on the humans to perform and prove themselves in the capitalistic society! Void is just throwing out bodies as humans and we become mere numbers in this vast space of cosmos merely on this earth running confused and bewildered! People ONLy talk about spirituality whether Asians, or Americans but they are mostly interested in money, fame and running in a rat race! Pain alone allows to wake up! Until then we just want to get entertained!
And that guy who is kinda debating with UG, he is NOT courageous enough to speak about the Eastern philosophy/ religions because AGAIN - they just 'believe' in their own small world of one religion. And these divisions only as UG said clearly CREATES further animosity and otherization! They dont realize that in a way they ALL are fundamentalists! We are just ONE human species migrated and mingled and mixed for ages! Please read Who we are And How we got here!, New age science already now is adding to this understanding of our interdependence and interconnectedness. There is nothing more to it......
The oddity is that UG often says he’ll never understand how people can be so gullible as to be preyed upon by those selling their religious wares in the marketplace. At the same time he clearly states over and over that there is no individual there and thus there can be no one that being preyed upon. In the context he has manufactured it would be more accurate if he said that the mechanism is playing a game with itself, where it is fooling itself and creating a scenario where certain apparent selves prey on the gullibility and credulity of other apparent selves in order to ensure continuity. Both are different aspects of the same illusion. It’s very funny because he says he will never understand this and he often seems puzzled by this yet says it’s a very mechanical thing. He also says there are no thoughts and then proceeds to blame everything on thought. He says most thoughts are about thought but even that is a thought. Another flaw with his reasoning is that on one hand he says death is a definition. What he seems to ignore is that everything else is a definition as well. All of what he states with such confidence is the same. It’s all invented labels and definitions. Peace is a definition. The body is a definition. And it goes on and on.
+Ferdinand Alexander What most people don't understand about Krishnamurti and many other sages is that they are trying to explain an ineffable concept with words. It's like a quantum physicist attempting to explain the *experience* of mathematical insights into material reality via the written word. Ultimately Krishnamurti is speaking about an *experiential* state that some people approach or attain via meditation. Krishnamurti was a brilliant guy, but I think that listeners to Krishnamurti need to attempt meditation in an attempt to approach a state of "oneness", a s best one can. That will help one gain more value from Krishnamurti's insights. That said, by carefully following many of K's talks, one can see how is attempts to use logic against itself, in an attempt to deconstruct logic. A lot of people miss this aspect of his presentations.
+jsphotos U.G. never tried to explain what is beyond words. He mostly pointed out how he seemed to be functioning. It was stimulus response. People threw things at him and they got a response. Talking about spirituality, the great beyond, the void, ineffable realms was something he steered clear of as he considered it all speculation. He’s not speaking about an experiential state. That’s the point. If you’re there it is not experiential. it is not in the manufactured reality, the field of experience and if you are not dealing with this field of experience then you as you know yourself are not there. Imagine you are at one with the allness of life or whatever you want to call it. You are not there and otherness does not exist, experience is not possible as whatever is there is inseparable from the whole of actuality. I use the word actuality loosely. We experience a sort of manufactured reality that is built and imposed on us by society. Actuality would be what is actually there. We will never know what that is because once you’re there you as you know and experience yourself are instantly gone as though you never existed because you really never did.
+Ferdinand Alexander This is just another version of enlightenment, as taught by K. That's all it is. K talked a lot and for those that resonated with his approach, it was a way to find out the same things about other master of enlightenment taught. There are many ways to approach a sense of oneness. This is very hard to put into words, because it IS an experiential state. TM, or sitting (in Zen) - qualitatively the same things, call them what you will. Following K's line of thought, or reasoning, is a unique kind of experience - one might, for lack of a better way to say it, call K's approach an extended *logical* koan, which would be considered counter-intuitive to the great meditative traditions. They all teach the same thing, but use different methods to help people get there. Once one has "gotten there", new insights into reality are gained. One *can* experience timelessness, because many, many people, like K. teach (in their own way) how to get there. I still think K's approach is interesting, and always found him stimulating. Many others - with their own insights and approaches to enlightenment have also had a strong influence. "Otherness" does not exist when one achieves a timeless state, true. That said, one (again) *can* come back from that state to talk about it; to teach methods that enable others to achieve that state. K was a teacher of that kind. Some people dig him, some don't. Last, I don't think there is any irony in K's teaching. He's very direct. He wasn't a "perfect person". He was human, with his own desires and failings, but he had a great way of putting things. Another seminal guy was Alan Watts -a completely different approach than K, with the same goal as K.
+jsphotos Nothing like K the way I see it. U.G. repeated stated that he felt there was no such thing as enlightment at all. If you come back from a timeless state which would be a thoughtless state and talk about it then thought was very much there. It's not a "state" anyway. Regardless of all this discussion it's easy to get lost in the words, labels and interpretations and that's all that's going on here. That's why if you listen to enough U.G. you'll discover that he's consistently inconsistent. He negates every statement with his next statement leaving you nothing to hold on to and basically in his own way stating that whatever you think it is, is not it and whatever you describe is not it and whatever you experience is not it.
+Ferdinand Alexander "He negates every statement with his next statement leaving you nothing to hold on to and basically in his own way stating that whatever you think it is, is not it and whatever you describe is not it and whatever you experience is not it." ************ Exactly! Like a wordy zen koan. That was K's special genius. Some people need more than one line koans. K's appeal is mostly to those who like to intellectualize. K had an intellectual bent, so that's what he used to "find his way" and then tried to explicate that in his talks. We will probably have to agree to disagree.
and the best at murder are those who preach against it and the best at hate are those who preach love and the best at war finally are those who preach peace those who preach god, need god those who preach peace do not have peace those who preach peace do not have love beware the preachers beware the knowers beware those who are always reading books beware those who either detest poverty or are proud of it beware those quick to praise for they need praise in return beware those who are quick to censor they are afraid of what they do not know beware those who seek constant crowds for they are nothing alone beware the average man the average woman beware their love, their love is average seeks average but there is genius in their hatred there is enough genius in their hatred to kill you to kill anybody not wanting solitude not understanding solitude they will attempt to destroy anything that differs from their own not being able to create art they will not understand art they will consider their failure as creators only as a failure of the world not being able to love fully they will believe your love incomplete and then they will hate you and their hatred will be perfect like a shining diamond like a knife like a mountain like a tiger like hemlock their finest art” ― Charles Bukowski
In a way, i think U.G. after losing a child, having to go trough such pain, maybe thought, if I couldn't help my son, i cannot help anyone, and he censored himself from his family and cut of himself in a wierd way, grieving and tryng to understand life in his own way. Maybe... maybe not.
@@Devesh0201 thanks , I accidentaly came upon this video again and saw my comment, then i saw your reply, but this time I studied him more and you are right :)
Theism and atheism are irrelevant . Unity in impartiality is relevant . Copy that magnificent obsession . Do mindfulness training . Meditation . Copy that . Seize the day in a healthy way .
Old school commercials, deep voice interviewer, stupid callers and a barking dog for guest
loved every bit of it
This guy is way ahead of his time and the rest of them are playing catchup.
Best conversations ever. Thank you UG for your existence
Man exists as the other beings exist. Neither superior or inferior!
🌼 SUPERB RECORDING....SALUTE TO U G ...FOR TOTAL CLARITY..🌼
3:30 U.G. : " I understand because we believe in something and unfortunately you have a need to believe, and naturally there is somebody else who believes in a totally different thing. So belief separates us-- as long as you succumb to your belief so long there will be wars."
thats not true, me and my friend support different football teams but we dont start war with each other . its people who take their beliefs to an extremes only that cause war, otherwise i dont see all people belonging to different religions fighting each other everyday.
@@notknown234 football teams are not fighting for resources etc.
@@notknown234 a football team isn’t a belief. It would have been no different if you said “I like pizza and my friend doesn’t like pizza, but we don’t start wars with eachother.” Religious beliefs are essentially beliefs on how we should behave and treat eachother, or as UG says, all religious beliefs are born out of the question “How to live?” So everybody is always trying to impose their way of behaving and living on others.
@@notknown234 all the games, olympics etc are there in order to consume your egoic drive. All government are human farming operations. They have been promoting all these cultural events in order to keep you from having an interest on what is actually going on or asking yourself the deeper questions of life. In order to maintain the hierarchical structure people must pe obedient to it otherwise society will fall apart. The problem is that the big cultural structure permanently seeks expansion and in expanding encounters other hierarchical structures that's when hell breaks loose and wars start. See the wars in the middle east and more recently Ukraine. On the surface it is claimed that these wars are about democracy or to prevent some fictitious threat but in reality they are fought for the expansion of the thought structure and the influence and reach of corporations that dictate the agenda and make the calls. It's all aimed towards a legal robbery of the planet for profit gain.
Your government will always preach love and compassion and tolerance but that's for the sole reason that it's bad for business.
You and your friend supporting different football teams are just two fish in a bowl.
I learned nothing but was very entertained.
that's how I am, I like what I hear but it exits my mind afterwards, must be wet brain jk
@@tomthomas334 mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmml
Learning could be brainwashing or indocrination .All good if you want it.
😮
Brilliant ideas as raw as truth not dressed for your pleasing. Negation man.
What a brilliant guy! Hit the nail on the head - you make the followers/someone else look bad because you believe in Jesus. Its just a matter of belief. But its perfect when he says that no society or people can completely conform to either the system of politics, religion or law because these are based on beliefs that are values and ideals of "some" people. And surely others cannot live upto "all" the values of these systems just the way its intended. Nature doesnt work as a man made system. Nature is random. Every person is unique and behaves as per his or her own belief. Manipulating ones belief to fit the system wont create a harmonious environment in the society. It only creates chaos and discomfort at the end where the system ends up becoming dysfunctional and thereby only creating problems and not solving them. So its better to have a "system" where one has their own belief and own god. Finally I think I can accept UG and Alan Watts as my gurus :) Super!!
diamond among human beings, man with absolute clarity
I love UG. There was no dichotomy in that man.
Really I am sure of anything. We are stuck in a language that is not capable of being able to see clear at all. Any thought i have is in unable to understand. When we speak of energy, again I am not able to understand what is happening. Good luck
Hi Bob!
He was a cool host.
The fact that people have placed another value judgment on him (that he's "negative"), in order to once again compartmentalize him, because of the need to "figure things out", is the problem. He couldn't be further from being negative, to me.
Once you realize that the processes of one's mind is a tool, then you no longer get caught up in the moods and problems the mind creates.
My favorite! UG's Hot line
god is a pokemon from kerala
My god, finally someone gets it.
UG is a genius and they have no idea what he's talking about. No idea. These people commenting on UG's words is like having the Amish comment on Nietzsche.
And the radio host thinks he's so smart (Idiot). UG is not a nihilist nor does he say he doesn't believe in god, he says god is irrelevant, meaning irrelevant to the problems of mankind and answering the questions of how we should live.
Exactly, @joanofarc33 -- most people have no idea what UG is talking about.
Right on
UG is a low grade moron, and the Amish are geniuses. Nietzsche is nothing
@@gavocrazy Sir, you have posted this comment with the sole aim of attracting some angry comments!
Got rid of human and human problems will disappear.
"GOD" is irrelevant because your GOD is your belief. As far as truth is concerned, belief has no place in it.
Thank you so much for all these recent additions!
I think the question man is avoiding is "how do we accept the negative?".
Acceptance is the only path to the void.
+Peak Planet it's not spiritual, it's everything. If bullshit is what you think then your acceptance to bullshit is spiritual.
How do you accept something?
Johny Balohny what one sees is ones acceptance.
+Victor jandle Sang yum, I see myself as a sad person. I don't feel like I've accepted whatever it is if that is what I see. You say "jump" and I know that action; you say "wave" and I know what to do. If you say "accept it", I don't understand what I'm supposed to do. Something in your mind, but I still manage to feel like I haven't really done something to rid myself of the sad things.
Johny Balohny Can one take away the words "I know" in their existence. These words seem to imply that all we encounter will end with our knowledge. You the doorway for your environment to thrive.
See that's how it has always happened when someone starts telling the truth to religious people.
He said it arnd 9:30 - It ends up being your opinion Vs my opinion! And that's the end of dialogue! That's what I have been saying for sometime now!
And the western people are putting him on this pedestal because they like liked to be shocked and amazed! Tho I agree, they created a more advanced version of human life using science and technology. Tho that has led only few with strong intellect to come at the forefront, and placed a consistent pressure on the humans to perform and prove themselves in the capitalistic society! Void is just throwing out bodies as humans and we become mere numbers in this vast space of cosmos merely on this earth running confused and bewildered!
People ONLy talk about spirituality whether Asians, or Americans but they are mostly interested in money, fame and running in a rat race! Pain alone allows to wake up! Until then we just want to get entertained!
And that guy who is kinda debating with UG, he is NOT courageous enough to speak about the Eastern philosophy/ religions because AGAIN - they just 'believe' in their own small world of one religion. And these divisions only as UG said clearly CREATES further animosity and otherization! They dont realize that in a way they ALL are fundamentalists!
We are just ONE human species migrated and mingled and mixed for ages! Please read Who we are And How we got here!, New age science already now is adding to this understanding of our interdependence and interconnectedness. There is nothing more to it......
great stuff
its fun
U.G. took the interviewer's soul at 3:57 Mind hates the truth and you can hear how afraid the interviewer became.
The oddity is that UG often says he’ll never understand how people can be so gullible as to be preyed upon by those selling their religious wares in the marketplace. At the same time he clearly states over and over that there is no individual there and thus there can be no one that being preyed upon. In the context he has manufactured it would be more accurate if he said that the mechanism is playing a game with itself, where it is fooling itself and creating a scenario where certain apparent selves prey on the gullibility and credulity of other apparent selves in order to ensure continuity. Both are different aspects of the same illusion. It’s very funny because he says he will never understand this and he often seems puzzled by this yet says it’s a very mechanical thing. He also says there are no thoughts and then proceeds to blame everything on thought. He says most thoughts are about thought but even that is a thought. Another flaw with his reasoning is that on one hand he says death is a definition. What he seems to ignore is that everything else is a definition as well. All of what he states with such confidence is the same. It’s all invented labels and definitions. Peace is a definition. The body is a definition. And it goes on and on.
+Ferdinand Alexander What most people don't understand about Krishnamurti and many other sages is that they are trying to explain an ineffable concept with words. It's like a quantum physicist attempting to explain the *experience* of mathematical insights into material reality via the written word.
Ultimately Krishnamurti is speaking about an *experiential* state that some people approach or attain via meditation.
Krishnamurti was a brilliant guy, but I think that listeners to Krishnamurti need to attempt meditation in an attempt to approach a state of "oneness", a s best one can. That will help one gain more value from Krishnamurti's insights.
That said, by carefully following many of K's talks, one can see how is attempts to use logic against itself, in an attempt to deconstruct logic. A lot of people miss this aspect of his presentations.
+jsphotos U.G. never tried to explain what is beyond words. He mostly pointed out how he seemed to be functioning. It was stimulus response. People threw things at him and they got a response. Talking about spirituality, the great beyond, the void, ineffable realms was something he steered clear of as he considered it all speculation.
He’s not speaking about an experiential state. That’s the point. If you’re there it is not experiential. it is not in the manufactured reality, the field of experience and if you are not dealing with this field of experience then you as you know yourself are not there.
Imagine you are at one with the allness of life or whatever you want to call it. You are not there and otherness does not exist, experience is not possible as whatever is there is inseparable from the whole of actuality. I use the word actuality loosely. We experience a sort of manufactured reality that is built and imposed on us by society. Actuality would be what is actually there. We will never know what that is because once you’re there you as you know and experience yourself are instantly gone as though you never existed because you really never did.
+Ferdinand Alexander This is just another version of enlightenment, as taught by K. That's all it is. K talked a lot and for those that resonated with his approach, it was a way to find out the same things about other master of enlightenment taught. There are many ways to approach a sense of oneness. This is very hard to put into words, because it IS an experiential state. TM, or sitting (in Zen) - qualitatively the same things, call them what you will. Following K's line of thought, or reasoning, is a unique kind of experience - one might, for lack of a better way to say it, call K's approach an extended *logical* koan, which would be considered counter-intuitive to the great meditative traditions. They all teach the same thing, but use different methods to help people get there. Once one has "gotten there", new insights into reality are gained. One *can* experience timelessness, because many, many people, like K. teach (in their own way) how to get there. I still think K's approach is interesting, and always found him stimulating. Many others - with their own insights and approaches to enlightenment have also had a strong influence.
"Otherness" does not exist when one achieves a timeless state, true. That said, one (again) *can* come back from that state to talk about it; to teach methods that enable others to achieve that state. K was a teacher of that kind. Some people dig him, some don't.
Last, I don't think there is any irony in K's teaching. He's very direct. He wasn't a "perfect person". He was human, with his own desires and failings, but he had a great way of putting things. Another seminal guy was Alan Watts -a completely different approach than K, with the same goal as K.
+jsphotos Nothing like K the way I see it. U.G. repeated stated that he felt there was no such thing as enlightment at all. If you come back from a timeless state which would be a thoughtless state and talk about it then thought was very much there. It's not a "state" anyway. Regardless of all this discussion it's easy to get lost in the words, labels and interpretations and that's all that's going on here. That's why if you listen to enough U.G. you'll discover that he's consistently inconsistent. He negates every statement with his next statement leaving you nothing to hold on to and basically in his own way stating that whatever you think it is, is not it and whatever you describe is not it and whatever you experience is not it.
+Ferdinand Alexander "He negates every statement with his next statement leaving you nothing
to hold on to and basically in his own way stating that whatever you
think it is, is not it and whatever you describe is not it and whatever
you experience is not it."
************
Exactly! Like a wordy zen koan. That was K's special genius. Some people need more than one line koans. K's appeal is mostly to those who like to intellectualize. K had an intellectual bent, so that's what he used to "find his way" and then tried to explicate that in his talks. We will probably have to agree to disagree.
and the best at murder are those who preach against it
and the best at hate are those who preach love
and the best at war finally are those who preach peace
those who preach god, need god
those who preach peace do not have peace
those who preach peace do not have love
beware the preachers
beware the knowers
beware those who are always reading books
beware those who either detest poverty
or are proud of it
beware those quick to praise
for they need praise in return
beware those who are quick to censor
they are afraid of what they do not know
beware those who seek constant crowds for
they are nothing alone
beware the average man the average woman
beware their love, their love is average
seeks average
but there is genius in their hatred
there is enough genius in their hatred to kill you
to kill anybody
not wanting solitude
not understanding solitude
they will attempt to destroy anything
that differs from their own
not being able to create art
they will not understand art
they will consider their failure as creators
only as a failure of the world
not being able to love fully
they will believe your love incomplete
and then they will hate you
and their hatred will be perfect
like a shining diamond
like a knife
like a mountain
like a tiger
like hemlock
their finest art”
― Charles Bukowski
In a way, i think U.G. after losing a child, having to go trough such pain, maybe thought, if I couldn't help my son, i cannot help anyone, and he censored himself from his family and cut of himself in a wierd way, grieving and tryng to understand life in his own way. Maybe... maybe not.
@@Devesh0201 thanks , I accidentaly came upon this video again and saw my comment, then i saw your reply, but this time I studied him more and you are right :)
This was not how happened :). UG was long separated from his family before he stumbled onto 'natural state'. His son's death happened long after that!
The bubble you live in is no more accept it.
editing bad, why don't you cut the radio ads?
"Practise what you preach" why should there be preaching in the first place? Just practise.
Theism and atheism are irrelevant . Unity in impartiality is relevant . Copy that magnificent obsession . Do mindfulness training . Meditation . Copy that . Seize the day in a healthy way .
35:40 does anybody know who that guru was?
Maybe George Oshawa? It says he was the founder of the macrobiotic diet. He “unexpectedly died of a heart attack at age 72.”
Did he say anything? (:
Marc Pelletier : of course -
"No freedom in 🇺🇸 ." ☝️
(or elsewhere)
he he .•°
You weren’t listening at all, were you?
@@davydeuce what listens to what ?
Ads for days
Yipeee, 😂 human s only no ghosts no gods ,
35:40 who is this macro biotic person?
Maybe George Oshawa? It says he was the founder of the macrobiotic diet. He “unexpectedly died of a heart attack at age 72.”
Can I rent a Carr from you?
He looks more like the David Spade of spirituality in that photo.
A genius narcissist!
+Vedic Sree Pure projection (minus the genius part).
Ur screwed up in ur mind.
John Raju we know u are
he is not john raju .....he is john rape raju and he is in hiding