How to Use The BEST Street Tuning Tool! (100% FREE)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- I've been hearing about way too many people lately with Megasquirt powered cars saying "I have no idea how much power it makes", there's no reason for that! One of the most commonly asked questions in the Turbo Miata community is "How much psi can the engine handle?" PSI doesn't bend rods - torque bends rods. If you're turning up the boost you need to know how much power you're making to stay safe. Of course this isn't going to be as accurate or as safe as using a real dyno (where you can easily listen for detonation, not worry about traffic, monitor engine vitals, etc), but it's certainly a super valuable tool.
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So I’m not sure if this was filmed before or after you did your trans swap but I think you are forgetting to factor that in. It will play a role in this calculation and I didn’t see that you changed ratios anywhere
This was before the trans swap. If you're running a non-factory trans, you just need to calculate how much to alter the diff ratio to offset the change in trans gearing. For the E30 trans, I just need to do this: (3rd gear pull)
3.91 (diff) * 1.40 (E30 3rd) * 1.33 (Miata 3rd) = 4.12.
VD only needs to know the final ratio, so you can alter the diff ratio input to counteract the trans ratio. Stock Miata 5-speed with 3.91 diff has a final of 5.20:1 in 3rd. With the Getrag trans, it's 5.47:1. So even though the car really has a 3.91, I need to do "4.12" * 1.33 (VD thinks 3rd is 1.33) to get the actual final of 5.47.
Hopefully that makes sense. It would be much easier if VD just let you input the ratios on your own instead of having fixed values for the OEM transmissions in each car.
@@TheCarPassionChannel Ok, just wanted to make sure that was clear for anyone that might want to try doing this with a non standard setup
it lets you add in gear ratios for every gear.
I don’t even own a car or have my license. This is so interesting for some reason. My email is (morgant.noble@gmail.com). I want to learn everything about this so when I get my RX-7 83 GS I will be up to date. Thanks 🙏 any advice, just mail me.
@@TheCarPassionChannel does the laptop or tablet have to be plugged into the ecu or the vehicle by the ODB-ll port ? And do I need to download mega log viewer ? Is it free ? Sorry for asking so many questions 😅
Just a tip if you or anyone else isnt aware, tuner studio has a feature called "triggered logging" you can set different parameters for it to start and stop the datalog. I use throttle position (TPS) > 50% to start the log then when the throttle dips below 50% it shuts it off. Great way to isolate a pull in a single gear since you have to left of inbetween shifts and since virtual dyno can only use one gear. A lot easier than dicking around with your laptop in your passenger seat while driving.
Wow mind blown, how have I not known this
Nothing like settling down in front TH-cam on a stormy winters day, hot coco in one hand, watching TCPC learning all about VD. Good tips here. I’ve never really had good results with VD. I blame it on operator error. 😁
It can give really wild results if everything isn't plugged in just right, and if the pull isn't perfect. Hopefully this can smooth out your results!
@TH-cam Chb2 Chb2 TH-cam I run ego at 20% auth; PID for what?
@TH-cam Chb2 Chb2 TH-cam Are you asking about Ego authority or Autotune authority? I don't know the settings for autotune, I've only run it a few times
Hey greg thanks for this tutorial, I had a quick play with virtual dyno but had no luck this has helped a lot, thanks for your videos from a Aussie fan
Bro you should do a virtual dyno vs a real dyno video to compare how accurate this tool actually is! AWESOME VIDEO GREG! 👏
I really should have included it in this video... I have tested 2 turbo setups against VD and it is surprisingly accurate!
@@TheCarPassionChannel Will this work with a stock ecu?
@@That_fella_named_J Not really, the only real requirement is that you need an ECU that can datalog. It's *possible* to do a pseudo Virtual Dyno with a stock ECU, using a stable/HD video camera on the tachometer, and using editing software to analyze the video frame by frame, to make a chart of RPM vs time (needs to be precise). Then make a 3 column excel spreadsheet with RPM, time in seconds, and throttle (pre-fill to 100). You can import that to Virtual Dyno. It's time consuming, and is subject to many innaccuracies (like tach being off, low quality video) but, it's possible.
@@TheCarPassionChannel Alright this bit of information is definitely helpful... lol I wish my ecu was tunable but it isn't ( ecu from gf body Subaru Impreza ) so I'm trying to make sure it's running as close factory specs as possible. Thanks!
Hey Greg, I am crazy for Miatas cause of you, also I have learned so much. Currently looking for a NB to buy. Thanks for making great videos!
I've missed these kind of videos, Gregg! Great one!
Thank you so much for the tutorial Craig, I’m getting the downpipe made for my Miata now and then I’ll definitely be using this info to help me get it running :)
FINALLY. Please more tuning videos, your channel helped me get boosted but now I need to dial in my tune and none of the dyno shops near me work with megasquirt!
I would really like to do some tuning myself but there is so much stuff out there. I don't even know where to start
More Tuning videos would be greatly appreciated
Same I got my 95 with 00 swap all built and tuned on a Dyno almost 3 years ago now!.. but im not confident enough to do the after Dyno road tuning. Finally getting my car back out again and glad to see the new videos! excited to beef up my TunerStudio and tuning "un"-knowhow.
Good video Greg. I'll add this. Always try and do your datalogs on the same stretch of road if you want to accurately see your gains. Flattest and smoothest road you can find, this is good for your tuner (if you're etuning) and for you if you want to see how many horsepowerz you're gaining with tuning or a specific part. It eliminates any variables!
Thanks for the video! I've been needing to learn how to use virtual Dyno.
i've messed with this program before, but was just playing around. This is a great and detailed video, thanks for it man!
Time to find a flat stretch of road in mexico lol
Great work Greg! Thank you for this.
thanks so much for this video! I never knew about virtual dyno until I saw this. I drive a single turbo FD RX-7 and I've street tuned it but never put it on a dyno. I downloaded virtual dyno and pulled up some of my old Apexi Power FC logs from fc-edit and I can see it's compatible so I'm going to go out and do some 3rd gear pulls and finally answer the HP question!
Can you make some more mega squirt related videos? I know you’ve covered a lot but hey, its Megasquirt! It’s always getting better. The dirt squirter vids are gonna be good, but that’s just a bonus on top of what we’re all here for.
If you megasquirt the husky, you’ll be my (and prolly everyone’s) hero.
I completely forgot you could use a Raspberry Pi in the dash like that. Looks like I finally have another project to do with one. Great video as usual Greg
Thank you for your great job 😁😁 please just keep going !!!
Awesome. Learned about a new tool. Thanks
4:15 how much hot sauce is too much hot sauce? Are we catching you on Hot Ones?
your an awesome guy, I got my oldMiatas rotas back in 2014 because of your car haha
Thanks for the heads up 😅🤟
just did this on my stock NA and got 600hp and 3 torque ask me anytging
What hill did you fly off?
@@XxSavageBearxX 😂😂
Neutral pull
How
How’d you get a log file from a stock ecu....
dope! I'll consider this dyno app one i get back into my MS tuned turbo car...
The sae corrections are for na engines, for altitude and temp. For a turbo engine it is very different since the turbo can compensate by itself a bit, depending on how your calibration is done and how much you have left in your compressor.
also im pretty sure you're supposed to use ambient temp, not IAT. cause if you have a shitty intercooler and high IAT it will show even more power? doesnt make any sense.
every video makes me wanna mod tf out off my miata
Ahh the OG Rotas! I am going to give this a shot when it warms up here. And stops snowing. And I put my Miata back together. Who wants tacos?
Since you cant really use the "dyno" numbers officially, it should be seen as a tuner tool for streettuning your MS or other programmable ECU. So as long as youre going down or up the same slope, each time, you can still use that part of the road because youre mainly interested in the changes in power rather than the absolute power.
Im sorry im late dad! SO EXCITED
Awesome very interesting thanks
hey greg whats your opinion on Microsquirt? just looking for an aftermarket EMS for wasted spark/coil on plug kinda thing, don't need any extra features.
wow mate
like past 3 months i was developing similar app because i couldnt find anything like this
you made my life so much easier
but still my app was based on phone and just used accelerometer data and gps speed
and use "calibration" to set rpms to certain speed this way calculate gearing
still might be decent app to make no need for dataloging just phone with gps
my app would use rolling on clutch pressed as drag calibration
offset it on torque graph
torque is just force we can calculate drag as torque going oposite side and add graphs together
ive made some tests mainly in assetto corsa because i could just get a lot of data in short time
but it should work fine in rl
but for my use program you showed would be much much better
thanks
That shift at 0:17 was money. Sounds like a sequential bro ;)
That's the biggest thing I miss about the twin disc clutch setup, can't do that with the new transmission/clutch setup :( trade off for strength though
@@TheCarPassionChannel That sucks. When I flat shift it feels like the engine flips upside down and back real quick :D
@@MrFoulksy If it's set up properly it should be relatively smooth
do you have a video showing how you build and installed the raspi ?
megasquirt/tunerstudio has a virtual dyno aswell have you tried to configure and compaire it to that? i know it requires gps tho
Should do a video, on what happens to hp when you do it wrong
Vtec crew checking in
4:16 that transition tho
So good
i am looking for a ecu tuning setup for my 1996 geo metro any recomendations?
How would I record my pulls in my car? Good video
great tool , great video . its very helpfull. maybe you help me the megalogviewr cuold trim a log to get a pool from a large log?
Love virtual dyno
what i need to connect laptop to 1999 nb withouth obd stock? im new in this and i want to know thanks!
Ughh can’t wait for spring to get my miata boosted and on the road... living it pittsburgh is aweful having months at a time I can’t enjoy my car
You are going to love the boost!
When I try VD, for some reason it doesn't start the run unless I'm WOT. So when I load my megasquirt log, VD only brings up a graph for the single part of the pull that is WOT. And it leaves out basically the rest of the pull that wasn't WOT. Do you have to go through the same problem? I duno if i feel comfortable lugging it at 2k rpm etc. Unless you do it and that's normal? Thanks
Maybe somethings wrong with my settings.
Awesome video again! this is going to be very helpful!!
Yes, I am WOT for the pull.
Excellent video, you would help me graph my car please, I can't make it load my datalog of my megasquirt 2, it's installed on a Subaru 97 🙏🙏🙏
hello does this software work with Ktuner ?
I’ve driven a ‘28 Ford with manual timing. It wasn’t difficult. I can’t help but wonder if something like that can be set up in a modern car. Pull out all the computers and sensors related to it and control it all manually, with a lever under neath the steering wheel.
Considering the fact that the ignition timing varies from 10° to 45° BTDC instantly based on engine load, it would be quite a chore to get any efficiency or power out of it. But, I will say the carburetor conversions people do on these engines is pretty cool
I think it can be done. I think it should be done. Pops? Crackles? Fire? At your command? Plus normal sleeper driving abilities. Somebody’s gotta be as crazy as me
Can i use any obd2 bluetooth device with his app?
That tyre circumference would be more accurate if it knew the actual measurement. It's not accounting for pressure, wear or camber. Close enough though.
Guess you could paint a spot on the tyre and roll a few meters then measure the distance between the paint spots on the ground.
He could prob add in some extra accuracy if he accounted for the tire stretch too. If it makes that much of a difference. Maybe 1mm i duno lol
That's the beauty of the program - you can use whatever means you like to get more accurate results. But the precise HP number isn't the main benefit, it's using the software to get multiple curves and use it as a tuning tool.
Hi Greg can you use this as a one and done tune or at least a tune until you get a tune for example can I give it my desired psi and afrs and it will give me a decent tune until I get a professional tune or is this just a tool to tell you the power you have
Virtual Dyno is just a tool that estimates your power output, it is not a tuning software
TheCarPassionChannel ok thank you Greg especially for the fast replies haha you’re the man one more question is there anything like that that is reputable a software that I can put all my info and my goals and it will give me a tune?
@@michaelcoffey5447 Tuner Studio has features to "auto tune" the fuel map, but it doesn't just spit out a full tune like with cold start, idle, ignition table and all that. The base map however is usually pretty good, and just requires minor tweaks to the fuel map to be street ready. Power tuning should still be done on a dyno, but an experienced street tuner can still do a good job.
TheCarPassionChannel gotcha I’ll just download the base tune and watch some more of your videos get it where I can drive it around to and from work and to the tuner
And the smoothing option?
how we connect it to the ecu??
Hey where’d the 15x10s go?
How do u hook it up
How hard is it to find MBT for WOT? What about MBT with steady state road tuning? I'm guessing you have to view the logs afterward and make changes which would take hours.
Yes if you're super fine tuning for MBT you need to get on a steady state dyno.
@@TheCarPassionChannel poop. thanks, just getting into tuning after watching your boost videos. Dyno time is so expensive.
@@johnlee1009 That being said, you don't need to max out every last 0.1hp on the dyno to have a very fast, fun, and safe tune. Plenty of turbo cars never even see a dyno and last just as long as any other build
@@TheCarPassionChannel that's good to know. The base timing maps and online support are probably good enough anyways.
shouldn't the speed be taken from the front wheels so that it won't be affected by wheel hop?
It derives speed from engine RPM, gearing, and tire size. It does not measure speed directly
Do you always have that much hot sauce beside your computer??
question, is there a way to use virtual dyno on automatic transmission cars?
Yes - but it will just be hard to get that super low rpm reading since the trans will want to downshift.
What’s a final drive ?
I know I’m a few years late but it’s saying it won’t open because it’s an “mlg” file type and I can’t figure it out, any advice?
I believe just changing the file extension to .mlv should allow it to open. I had the same issue once Mega Log Viewer started randomly exploring in mlg after an update
Can you use any data log software like SCT or HPT?
You should be able to. VD can't import logs from all software, but most logging software (or logs) should be able to output, or be converted to, a .csv file which is very common. And VD can import .csv files. You may need to edit certain rows or columns of the .csv for VD to read it right (using Microsoft Excel or Google Sheets). Sometimes the tuning software adds an extra row on top, or titles a column weird, but .csv are easy to edit so it's usually a quick fix.
how are you using the tablet and how is it connected to the car?
I really wanna know
OH FUCK YES!
Hello, can you share your windows version of this program? I only find a android app. I would like to get this on my laptop. Thanks!
I believe you just need to click the link in the description while on a Windows machine (not on a phone)
New boi who dis?
DO IT WORK ON APPLE MAC
Great tool, wonder if it works with a DSM?
Any ECU that can take a datalog should be able to import into VD
What tablet do you have mounted in your car?
if yu go back a few videos he does an installation on the tablet with specs!
Does this take in account that you have the bmw transmission?
At the time of this video it wasn't installed yet - but it absolutely can. You just have to alter the "diff ratio" based on what gear you're in, essentially tricking it into using the correct overall ratio. Easy calculation
What if I have a nb with a 5 speed do I pick the na?
No, pick the 5-speed NB
i have a gmc but its not an option on virtual dyno
You can use a vehicle that's similar to yours (aerodynamically) and then customize that vehicle with your gear ratios, etc. Then once you save it it will show up under "Custom" when you choose your vehicle.
Do you have a stand alone ECU?
Yes I do
I know this is old but maybe someone has an answer? I converted a Hondata datalog that was about 15 min total to .csv so I could check this software out, in that log there is a 3rd gear pull to 6500RPM with PSI recorded at 8.9. I couldn't chop just the pull from the log but when uploading the full log to virtual dyno it appears it can pull a run out on its own? (there were multiple pulls in the log), BUT the one it pulled only goes to 5200 and PSI is 5.4, is there a way to target just the beginning and end of the pull I want it to use from the log? I would just cut the pull in Hondata but couldn't do that either. I have Megalogviewer that Is setup for logs of my motorcycle which I haven't use in forever but maybe I can chop the pull from the log with that software? This old datalog has my stock manifold which I'd like to compare with the fabricated one I am currently using.
You have a couple options, if the log will open with Mega Log Viewer you can edit the log using the "Search -> Log Editing" feature (not sure if full version is required) then "Export loaded log as..." Back into a .CSV
Or, take the .CSV file and open it with Google Sheets or Microsoft Excel, then you can delete the unwanted rows and re -save it as a .CSV.
@@TheCarPassionChannel Thanks for that, I'll give those 2 options a try👍.
So I did use google sheets to edit the .CSV file cutting the rows before and after the pull and varified the pull data by the rpm and map values columns, then even saved it to a different location and named it datalog-googlesheets BUT when loaded into the virtual Dyno I still am getting the same dynograph max RPM 5200 max map psi 5.2. the same google sheets file I see 8.9psi at 6493RPM 🤔.
@@lcq4blackstar In the left column of Virtual Dyno, where the vehicle data is displayed, there's a small slider where you can adjust the minimum and maximum RPM of the graph. Also make sure the TPS value is 100 for the whole pull
@@TheCarPassionChannel Yes I saw the slider but it is maxed out at 5200 and yes the TPS value is also maxed on the rows I left in the log file after cutting the rest
Will this work with hp tuners logs?
Any logger that can produce a .CSV file can be used. Sometimes the .CSV needs to be modified for it to work properly
neat
OBS is the way to go when recording your computer screen :)
Yo did you say taco shop?? Do you live in Rhode Island?
does this work with a ME221?
Yep, anything that can take a datalog 🙂
Can I use VD with a stock ECU?
Yes, but it's a bit more tricky. I might do a write-up on it at some point. You have to film your tachometer and create your own time-vs-rpm .CSV file by hand with the data from a video editor, and import that into VD.
Thanks man really appreciate the reply, ill go ahead and try it out!@@TheCarPassionChannel
Woohoo
Who dis unicorn 👀?
Who is this guy? I thought I was watching miata dad.
Ugh *pulls flannel back out of closet, grows out beard*
How do u connect it to the ecu
You don't - the ECU exports a datalog file onto your computer, then you open that file with Virtual Dyno.
@@TheCarPassionChannel I'm new to tuning what would I need to do that
@@shanen1651 You need a way to record a datalog, typically with a standalone ECU.
@@TheCarPassionChannel would I need any wires
@@shanen1651 No, this program does not have any connection with the ECU. The ECU creates a file known as a data log, and then you open that file with the Virtual Dyno program
Thats a nice break from the wrenching to see the outcome of your hardworking, but shouldn't have Craig the brains behind your brawn been the one to explain the Virtual Dyno... This leaves one question, do you know of engine tuning or management apps for iOS, what OS are you running on your tablet and make model of your tablet. As always G man great work. Watch out for the CHP and noise/Pollution Nazi's.
Why not chalk the front and use jack stands to hold up the rear. Like fr why should I not do this?
Because it would yield completely inaccurate results. Utterly pointless.
Virtual dyno claims it has a virus when trying to download :(
So i dont sense load whats the point then
What
Detonation bends rods more so than TQ
There's still only so much they can hold, no matter how "good" the tune is.
you can't say detonation doesn't produce torque though :)
ime detonation melts pistons first, badly or cracks them in all kinds of creative ways (and Miata pistons can handle a fair more torque than the stock rods). Torque usually is the reason for throwing stock rods out of Miatas!
When are we going to see
Mustangs getting absolutely destroyed Greg?
I can die peacefully now
before i turbo my miata shuld i put in a new cluch
The stock clutch is good for around 150whp.
Turbo cars should not use SAE, thats only for n/a
I’m first
That program isn't for anything other then "bragging" at car meets, if you think "Stages" mean anything, you probably love this app.
When used properly it can definitely be helpful for both street tuning and reasonably accurate power measurement. When I installed my Stage 3 lugnuts all my friends at Cars & Coffee could clearly see the power gains in the graphs
Would you ever go full time youtube 🤔
Probably not but I would like to get to 2 videos a week someday
@@TheCarPassionChannel That would be awesome never enough miata content
Bandicam? What is it 2012? LMAO!
@1:30 WHAT ARE THOSE!!!!!!!!!!
They didn’t even have my car
You can use a car with a similar front end shape and input custom gear ratios
Virtual dyno is not free. Got another one like it that's free. Virtual dyno is $1.99. I'd pay it but my account won't pay it just says insufficient balance.
Edit - I just checked into it. You're looking at the wrong program my dude, the mobile app called "Virtual Dyno" is totally different from this program, which is still free. Link in the description.