Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
I’ve never watched this podcast before, only here for Jason. But the unbelievable biased hate against Tesla from the, I assume regular host, is honestly disgusting. I’m glad people like Jason exist in this field.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
No kidding, the guy with the beard is clearly a Tesla and Musk hater, no matter how much they deliver, he will always criticize their products. I'm very glad Jason is such a good journalist and professional at his job, great job of separating personal opinions from facts.
He's just another jumped up trust fund baby. His old man is brilliant to be honest, but Matt has become insufferable over the last few years. I wish Zac would just walk away and start his own thing as he's down to earth.
Jason's understanding of the crash test thing is still wrong in this video. The 10% is not the maximum they though was possible. 5 stars is for any car with 10% or less chance of injury. I don't think many car companies compute and publish their chance of injury under NHTSA conditions but based on that definition I'd have to assume plenty of cars fall in the same range as the Tesla mentioned.
Shout out to Jason for a well prepared and presented stfu to Matt. Respect to Matt for taking it on the chin and making amends with Jason. We've all benefited from this demonstration in professionalism.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
This video is a prime example that lies/ bad facts take mere moments to say and it takes someone who knows all the facts 10-20x as much time to debunk these lies/bad facts
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
As an engineer who used to work for a supplier (did rear steer development on Hummer EV), it's nice to hear Jason actually know what he's talking about with the technical stuff. I appreciate it when journalists educate themselves beyond a level of "this feels good, I dislike this" etc
If i am not mistaken he is an engineer, so it makes sense that he explains these technicalities the best of all the journalists. Because he is the only one who actually knows what they're talking about.
hes wrong about multiple things though. he's uncritically regurgitating tesla's claims about NHTSA findings that even NHTSA has made statements that Tesla needs to stop claiming.
@criznashj before the CyberTrk test drove he was a skeptic of Tesla I'm sure afterwards heshocked what them Tesla engineers have done and come up with.For ICE diehards a months experience will make converts of them
@@criznashYou are uneducated about Tesla and so are most, even those of the automotive veterans and legacy auto, and that is why a decade after the Tesla modS was released legacy auto still has not caught up and come up with a " Tesla Killer"!
@@sparkpaul bingo! His behavior is either intentional or its not... either way listening to his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is insufferable.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
I'd just like to give props to Jason for his grace and kindness here, and also to Matt for his courage to put himself in that type of situation and be open to discussion and critique. None of this is easy between two people, especially in a public setting.
I watched the entire podcast and am so impressed with Jason’s professionalism and ability to separate opinion from fact. Jason gave ya’ll a free masterclass and you didn’t even know it.
Fact: Matt and Zach didn't even touch the cybertruck and look how much they criticized the vehicle. That's unfair for all the people who worked hard on the vehicle.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Are you kidding? Firstly Matt was on the mark on nearly EVERYTHING. Further watch an expert put Jason in his place regarding redundancy in episode 892.
I think Matt does excellent work, except when it comes to Tesla IMO. I think he's fighting a giant bias against the company and Elon in his reporting of the company, and it seems it's very difficult for him to view the company through any other lense.
@@JSmooVE3990he didn’t like them before that too. lol. He actually made more comments on them before his wife got fired. Had a Matt vs Tesla counter on older podcasts.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
I'm a self proclaimed Tesla Elon Musk hater much like Matt lol but objectively you can at least appreciate the way in which that company has revolutionised the EV industry and made them kinda cool albeit in a goofy or gaudy kind of way. Also, Teslas are overrated piles of trash and Matt does make some good points about that brand, it's boss and how they both conduct their business but true integrity in journalism as Jason has pointed out here is simply laying out the facts for what really they are with no bias or favouritism or whatever. And Matt unfortunately can't seem to allow his judgement to override his obvious hatred for the boss (Musk is pretty easy to hate Tbf) and just call it down the middle as he should. You can't misrepresent be it intentionally or otherwise your own personal views as facts cos then you've effectively lost all credibility as a journalist, period.
His position on what exactly? His 'review' (more of a presentation tbh) was focused on engineering and innovation. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall him claiming anything about the car's overall reliability or it being 'good at being a truck/SUV'. What I do recall is people s*itting all over him for saying anything positive about the car they have a strong opinion about despite they've never driven or even seen one in the flesh at the point of publishing his video.
Just became a huge Jason Fan! Even though you could tell he felt some type of way about the attack on his credibility, his arguments were fact based and on topic without wading into personal nonsense and having to reference “expert” conversation
Great to see Jason on the podcast to air any differences of ‘opinion’ that all parties may have. Sometimes our judgement can be clouded, but getting past it with actual discussion is the sign of a real mature adult.
Bringing up Missy Cummings *severely* degrades credibility in this dude. She's not remotely an expert on driver assistance systems, but instead, openly emotionally hostile to Tesla, it's in her Tweets. 38:15
This was a masterclass on how to conduct yourself in a debate, and how NOT to do that. Thank you Jason for staying neutral in your arguments and sticking to cold hard facts, even while being answered strictly with opinions.
Engineer: You know a mechanical steering can fail. Chances are low but they do fail. Specially in a damaged vehicle. Matt: No problem....I trust it completely. It's mechanical. I would rather have a bolt loosen and make my steering fall on my lap. Engineer: But steer by wire will avoid that issue. We have more redundancies than a mechanical one andit could fail. Chances are extremely rare. Matt: You mean there's a chance...!!! I don't trust it. 😑
People trust what they understand and what they have experience with. Numbers are meaningless to the part of the brain that assesses danger, only experience matters. And this can work in perverse ways. For example we aren't afraid of car accidents, but some are afraid of flying, and most people are terrified of nuclear accidents, while in reality you are far far more likely to die in a car than being killed by nuclear radiation, and planes are somewhere in between.
@@andrasbiro3007 Yes, that's true. A variety of conclusions can be drawn from the same data set. It's how you interpret the data. And some people take advantage of this very fact to muddy the water. I think one should not only.be critical of they have been presented with but also look out for other conclusions as well so you will have some framework to go by.
Im sure many of these car youtubers are paid by the anti-tesla lobby. The main stream media is also very anti Tesla and misrepresents info all the time.
Yes, and you NEED to see Jason Cammisa's short documentary (that's what they are) of the Tesla Plaid on the Hagerty channel. It's the one where they compare the Lucid to the Tesla Plaid, and the video editing and Jason's narrative performance in that video is just so, so awesome. It's the coolest video editing of any car video so far.
@@RobFromDenverlet me tell you this if you put your family in anything other than Tesla you are not taking best care of your family .. and this is a fact
After watching this, my conclusion is that Jason is professional, well researched and as objective as he can and the other guy is none of those things.
@@JeffKubeluhm but uhm well well i mean well uhh in court i would say “elon opened the door”. (speaking to a guy who actually has a law degree hahahha)
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
And you're entirely missing the point. Was Jason Cammisa's piece about the Cybertruck essentially fluffing for Elon Musk? Whether he was paid to do so or not, he was. That should be commented upon.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Finally Matt’s BS caught up to him. He is being doing this crap for while. I slowly phased out his videos and anything he talks about. He just ain’t objective.
I think he used it in the wrong perspective, Matt and other people are sceptical of Tesla because they claimed FSD and Autopilot work. Plenty of dead people and why you can't use it here in Europe. A fact would be if no one died and people said they did.
After watching this I’ve come to realize Matt is the embodiment of every Reddit moron whose uninformed take is argued either in bad faith or sheer hatred, but quite easily debunked. Like…just flat out saying the bed is unusable? Based on what experience Matt? You really think the taper nullifies the claim that the bed can fit drywall?? You literally think a pointy nose means more pedestrian maiming? Are you actually 7 years old? I hope you are embarrassed.
Jason nailed it at 18:18. When you’re a journalist, you need to check your own feelings and emotions at the door. That IS the problem with journalism nowadays. Bias. Check your bias, present the facts, and dress it in an entertaining way, without projecting your bias. It’s one of the things that makes journalism so damn hard.
Before watching this (cause it's f...in long?!), I love Jason, been watching his content for more then 10 years now, but CT video was a lot of show and not so much facts. And I can understand that, you need views, you need show, but it was kinda bias, not like "I hate Tesla" bias, but "I need a show" bias, if you know what I mean... I will feel free to edit this comment after watching the full video 😁
I've been skipping the Tesla segments for years. Matt can't control his bias and let's Elon live rent free in his head. I'm not saying ignore the bad stuff he has trouble admitting they are objectively good cars for most people.
@@blackrippin Present "some facts" like he did in favour of the CT. I've been watching Cammisa for 10y but him and LIEberman became bias to Tesla most of the time. Matt may be wrong on a couple of things but his overall arguments are right.
This will probably be the only time I watch this channel. It was amazing to watch how many times Jason brought actual evidence in data only to be countered by a broken record about feelings and hearsay and rumors. It is pretty clear Matt is obtuse and comprised when it comes to an honest data driven review.
Took me 3 days to get through this podcast.... Jason is just soo good, his views on facts vs opinions should be something everyone strides to do it is really insightful but I have to say I don't understand Matt. They talked for 2 hours and 30 minutes and not once did it seem like he understood anything Jason said to him. I have to wonder how hard the truth had to hit him in the face for him to wake up. Tesla is not an evil company by any means and they are doing so much to bring forward the whole automotive industry. Opening up their patents, the book on 48V is epic and they even store their gigacastings outside so all competitor can see them in the flesh. Seems like Matt couldn't get past the Tesla autonomy demo video from 2016. The facts are that of course Tesla should have used another language in the video, the driver was needed. When people say the video is fake it is not entirely true, the Tesla actually did drive that route in one shot BUT they tried like 100 times that failed before the "perfect" one. We are in 2023, why do we need to go back to 2016. This makes no sense! Today more than 100.000 Teslas on US roads are equipped with the FSD software. So anyone knows someone who has access to FSD. Go try it for yourself, it is brilliant for 99% of the time and horrible for the last 1%. It is by no means FULL-SELF-DRIVING but it is also not a death machine or a scam. I would love to see Matt actually try a Tesla with FSD sometime you have to face your demons... and boy does Matt see a lot of demons at Tesla. Think about it Matt or the world will leave you behind.
Brilliant comment! You are spot on here. Tesla is the most forward looking company I know of constantly improving and iterating. It makes 0 sense to point out something they did wrong in the past and get fixated on that, when by now they have already addressed it, since they are constantly experimenting and learning. That’s their company culture. I will also point out that FSD is in BETA which is why it’s clearly called FSD BETA. Personally I would never pay for beta software but the 400k people that did, they did that on their own will. They were not tricked into buying it like your typical car dealership sales guy who tricks you into buying a LoJack and a bunch of other options you don’t need.
@Killyang True, we all knew what the current abilities of the system was. Also technical and legislational hurdles was known for years. Sure Elon has been optimistic for years but who listened to him anyways. Always think for yourself, it is your money 😉
I wanted to yell at Matt at multiple points during this podcast, just to tell him "use the damn thing before you talk shit about it." I have used FSD beta, from v10.69 to 11.3 to 11.4.9 now. It is imperfect, and I'd put it at 85-90% reliable. There are some common edge cases it struggles with. However, when you use the tech, it is damn impressive. No other automaker is currently making this level of autonomy accessible to do many people, despite it still being level 2 (which puts the onus on the driver to pay attention). I want him to get his ass off the moped, wipe the "FSD runs over children in school zone" bias from his mind, and just live with it. Perhaps only after then will he realize how capable it is and why you shouldn't feel unsafe as a motorcycle rider when riding in traffic with Teslas on the road.
1:29:13 I literally slapped my hand down and said "YES!" the moment Jason said "Standard Deviation". Most under utilized statistic. Averages mean very little without a standard deviation. Jason gets it
Really ticks me off because I respect his stuff but it’s so obvious when it comes to the one company that has truly changed the industry in so many ways.
I respect both these guys but Cammisa is just on another level intellectually. Matt is blinded by his hatred for Elon and can't separate facts from emotions. I love his car reviews and enjoy most podcasts, but as soon as he gets into his PC tirades I shut it off. Stick to talking about cars which you are really good at. Leave the politics, political correctness and pandering to CNN and Fox.
Agree, I get politics shoved down my throat by people at work, on TV, social media, etc..., I listen to car podcasts to be entertained and not preached to about politics/religion. Luckily I can skip over the podcast when this comes up and listen to a different podcast. I did listen to this though to see each journalist's view and was not shocked or disappointed by what when down.
Jason is showing himself to be one of the best and maybe only actual JOURNALISTS out there. Super props to him for understanding and presenting the differences between facts and feelings.
Wow. What a beat down. This is what happens when logical argument meets an emotional one, lol. Loved watching Jason make this adult baby tap dance for 2 hours 😂
I’m an engineer working in the mechatronics and autonomy space and I have to say that I’d always been a fan of Jason but this only solidified it - some of the comments from Matt and Zach were pretty ill informed sadly 😅
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
@@AlexanderGreb77 Smoking tire made it immature by offering to apologize then continue to make unsubstantiated claims and underdeveloped opinions.Jason shouldnt have had to take them apart, but they basically begged for it and Jason was 1000X more prepared.
@@AlexanderGreb77 Kudos to MATT for having the nads to hash this out on his own channel but his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is hardly adult.
Now we need a link to Jason’s document! He put so much time and effort into it that it needs to be shared. It is basically the required reading for this free masterclass in journalistic integrity.
Lol journalistic integrity. His cybertruck review was a puff piece, just because he didn't lie about much doesn't mean he made an objective review. I can't believe how bad people are at critical thinking and reading between the lines.
@mittortz you don't say how Jason's review was a puff piece and point to nothing to support your argument...he, unlike you and I, had access to the actual engineers that built the thing. He has years of automotive industry journalism. He's admitted to not liking the truck personally, but couldn't get over the advancements that came with the car. So...how was it a puff piece?
Hearing Jason say he was disappointed in Matt really hit home. I would hate having Cammisa 'disappointed' in me, and you can tell Matt feels like shit. Also, how great is it seeing adults work through their disagreements.
Watching Matt And Zack get all hurt is probably the funniest thing about this video . “ thanks for explaining video production to me “ is where Zack crumbled 😂😂
That part genuinely made me sad. Then cringe. Then just sad again. How one gets this triggered over absolutely nothing is puzzling to me. I genuinely thought Zack was the level-headed one of the two UNTIL I heard that. Funny how a single moment can change your entire opinion on someone forever…
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Matt apologized. We should give him a chance. He was called up by a big name, not by little people like you and me. It will be interesting to see how things roll up from now on.
Props to Matt and Co. for being standup individuals and allowing Jason to come on their podcast and spend an hr + skewering them for their mistakes to their face, taking it on the chin and owning it. Not many outlets these days would agree to something like this without spending half the time shouting him down and trying to discredit him/distract their audience. Jason started the conversation with the most important part, the TH-cam automotive space seems huge but really isn’t that big. Anyone who knows both these channels and people wants you all to be successful and is supportive of all of you.
Matt was still trying to justify his reasons, but all it is that he is a Tesla and Elon Hater. He goes beyond the boundaries as a so called Jounalists and uses his personal reasons why he hates Tesla and Elon as an reason for his judgement. This is what the main media does now instead of giving out facts regardless of their like or dislike of a company or a person. Everything is a half baked facts, and more of an PERSONAL opinions without real facts.
@@1flash3571 That was right on point!!! I think we (the people) have been misled so many times by the Media that instead of giving us reality, they give us their distorted vision of reality. The one thing I will say in Matt's defense is that there is a difference between not having the facts and distorting them. Some people are not paying attention and try to fill in the blanks... this is what I think Matt is doing....I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here.
@@trentonfettig7265 On a personal note, when I first saw the Cybertruck, I thought it was a joke and there was a "real" truck coming out later. Then I saw the truck in person at a local Tesla Store and I was in awe. I can't understand why there is such a huge difference but there is. The technology part is amazing. The proof will be in the pudding, on how well drives. that is what really matters, looks and all that aside, that is what should be the focus
Refreshing to find a youtube creator who do not totally live and die by clicks. TH-cam is like a kid teasing animals with food on a string. As soon as the animals get close they pull away the food.
I hope you found his shows on Hagerty and Issimi; Icons, Spotlight, Revelations and Ultimate Drag Race are imo the best automotive content in the business
Jason cleaned your clock with facts. I don't know what Elon has done to you, what ever it was, it has taken away all of your objectivity. Dude, grow up and start using your head and not your emotions. Remember, facts do not care about your feelings.
LOL this guy is citing Missy Cummings as a knowledgeable person. Tesla's camera only approach works better than every other carmakers self driving system and it's not even close.
Matt. I might not always agree with your opinions, but I have immense respect for you as a person for taking responsibility and apologizing publicly. It speaks volumes to your character as a man and a member of the human race. I will always be a fan of you as a person.
@@HeyitsallgoodmanI think people give him shit for being so fragile when it comes to any kind of criticism, his hypocrisy when it comes to class that’s clearly rooted in the guilt he feels regarding his upbringing as a rich kid (just own it), and his open disdain for many of his followers and fans.
An actual “apology” usually includes the words “I’m sorry”, in active voice. Those words were never uttered. Instead, we got indirect statements, often with a “but” followed by a bunch of excuses.
A great example of adults acting mature about a disagreement - something we don't tend to see much these days, especially here on YT. TST has long been my favorite source of automotive news and entertainment.
Disagreements tend to not be as low stakes as "do you like car". Maturity in disagreement is a privilege for those who have nothing material to lose in that disagreement.
I don't want to ride my bike next to a drunk driver but I bet the host is all for the right to drink. It's against the law to drink and drive. The driver's responsibility. Likewise, it's the driver's responsibility to keep his hands on the wheel and eyes on the road. Blame the idiots who disregard the rules and laws, not the car or the tech or the alcohol.
"We need to be able to better as a community, and as a country, and probably as a world, to do a better job of separating opinion from fact." So great and so true.
My point is you shouldn't call "AUTOPILOT" what is an advanced cruise control, because it is a misleading wording, and all the explanations afterwards is not a fix. We have engineers and highly educated people dicking around with autopilot, Camisa itself says "I drive more intensively because I rely on my radar auto brakes". The point is you shouldn't rely on that even if radar is superior to cameras, like you shouldn't over rely on ABS/ESP and the wathever other assist. If you don't want to seal with all the complications of driving, take a taxi.
Now that some time has passed can we all accept that Matt has been 100% vindicated and that Jason's "objective journalism" was just an excuse to parrot the talking points provided by the Tesla engineers.
@@Pbairsoftman That Teslas are safe, so the Cybertruck has to be safe too. Its so safe that its illegal on a whole continent and several other countries. Also so safe that there are no independent crashtests of it. For obvious reasons
@@valerystoichkov7429that wasn’t his point. He was specifically talking about pedestrian safety and steer by wire, both of which aren’t issues on the production car just like he said. It’s illegal for the same reasons the hummer EV is illegal, but you’re not mad about that?
Jason came prepared to use his Law Degree…. And also lined up his background to show his awards. Clever. Love Matt and Zack still, and that Professional Idiot too lol
Matt is constantly frustrated with his low view count on his review videos, meanwhile, Jason is absolutely crushing it. And this conversation shows exactly why that is happening. Matt is far too emotionally connected to things, and puts far too much of his personal bias into his reviews. It’s exhausting to watch. I used to be an avid viewer for years, but I’ve grown to trust him less and less as time goes on. Meanwhile, Jason is crushing every single thing he does.
I do take issue with his idea that journalists shouldn't opine about cars and companies. If facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure.
@@theoneandonlybosable I think that is where the separation between a Journalism, Journalist and Columnist have gotten blurred/blurry. Journalists can editorialize and commentate, but journalism is the capturing or uncovering of facts that tell a story on their own, without editorializing. Obviously this can include witness testimony and interviews, which can be fact checked, but also people generally have bad memories or their brain tries to make sense of something foreign to them and fills in details that are not accurate.
@@theoneandonlybosable What Jason means is that if you call yourself a journalist of any sort, you should provide facts OVER giving your opinion. That does not mean you're not allowed to give your opinion but when you do give your personal opinion on something it should be stated clearly. Thats just what proper journalism means. And about the "if facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure" is just wrong, the clue is in the word ''marketing''. Jason isn't marketing anything with his work thats not his job and im sure he knows that, he's just giving the facts and the results he finds and than sprinkling in some humor to make it entertaining. A brochure on the other hand well.. its goal is literally to convince you to buy something.
@@Nathan_Adams How a car drives is not the latest happenings in geopolitics, editorializing and opining is inherent to reviews of products that corporations ask people to pay for. Funnily enough MKBHD had a quote years ago about reviewing a consumer product- the facts can all be found on a spec sheet, the substance of a good consumer product review is opinion.
Jason's awards in the background is such a Jason move. That and making a 23 page .pdf of his rebuttals prior to the podcast perfectly encapsulates the difference between journalism and youtuber.
The irrational "Elon Bad" goes beyond Tesla. It's because Elon bought Twitter and put an end to the censorship. It is political. Granted there are some diehard gear heads out there that hate all things Tesla simply because of the success Tesla is having and how bad legacy auto is struggling. Jason's review of the Cybertruck was IMHO the best review out there. And he admitted at the start of the review that he thought the CT was a joke. I know he got a ton a negative backlash beyond what he got from Matt. This is political, the attacks on Jason will continue, it will become more irrational. Eventually Jason's political views will change as well. What I described above will happen more & more across the land. Groupthink is bad, it has run it's course.
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Jason is a beter journalist then 99% of media. Did a great job
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Ahahaha he put Matt in place real quick and taught him a valuable lesson about journalism. Completely own him. Love it.
That you should have no integrity and just do whatever Tesla tells you to to make their shit look good?@@UniFanatix
@@Json918 Matt is a radical liberal who hates Musk you cant reason with radicals
Sorry… Matt is what is absolutely wrong with the f-ing world.
I’ve never watched this podcast before, only here for Jason. But the unbelievable biased hate against Tesla from the, I assume regular host, is honestly disgusting. I’m glad people like Jason exist in this field.
He had to apologize in his last podcast for spreading false information again. Hes kind of immature in the way he conducts himself publicly.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
No kidding, the guy with the beard is clearly a Tesla and Musk hater, no matter how much they deliver, he will always criticize their products. I'm very glad Jason is such a good journalist and professional at his job, great job of separating personal opinions from facts.
The dude’s wife used to work at twitter as some sort of bigwig lawyer and she got fired by Musk lol
He's just another jumped up trust fund baby. His old man is brilliant to be honest, but Matt has become insufferable over the last few years. I wish Zac would just walk away and start his own thing as he's down to earth.
Jason Cammisa is such a professional and legend! Best kind of car nerd!
He is absolutely my favorite auto journo.
Kind whiny and effeminate for me
@@TedKiddwe get it, you’re
In the closet bro 😂
Jason's understanding of the crash test thing is still wrong in this video. The 10% is not the maximum they though was possible. 5 stars is for any car with 10% or less chance of injury. I don't think many car companies compute and publish their chance of injury under NHTSA conditions but based on that definition I'd have to assume plenty of cars fall in the same range as the Tesla mentioned.
Jason cybertruck review was an infomercial. That fact hasn't changed
I loved this level of intentional “face to face” discussion and conflict resolution. Disagreeing up close is by far the most productive.
Takes some self awareness, swallowing pride, and actually caring about each other. Wish this was easier for more people to do.
Matt is the one who is political about the cars.
Fsd is BETA and definition of autopilot is exactly the same as airplanes: drivers attention are needed.
@@sparkpaulhe’s very triggered. Hard to listen to him.
I have never seen Matt before but huge RESPECT is deserved by anyone with the integrity to publicly apologize.
Huge respect for Matt.
Shout out to Jason for a well prepared and presented stfu to Matt. Respect to Matt for taking it on the chin and making amends with Jason. We've all benefited from this demonstration in professionalism.
Agreed
And also great profile pic, one of the best sci-fi films made (in my opinion)
Well said.
Keep in mind that Matt is part of the little aphartheid tribe, and that's going to effect his view of Elon/Tesla.
He may have taken it on the chin, but it was clear that he is unable to separate emotion and politics from logical analysis.
Well said, I was thoroughly impressed with Jason's take and preparedness. Can't stand Elon but the engineering in that truck can't be refuted.
Always knew Jason is very intelligent and this video is a great example. He’s a league above the rest for sure
Yeah his intellect is insane compared to Matt
@@BTC_Cassidy agree, not even close. Matt is someone who seems to criticize a person or product actually never having to know them.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
He is a classing hater
This video is a prime example that lies/ bad facts take mere moments to say and it takes someone who knows all the facts 10-20x as much time to debunk these lies/bad facts
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
This is a significant problem we are experiencing. Great point
Or you can say that the lies are like speeding bullets and facts are the surgery that's needed for the gunshot wounds.
Matt/Zach have two forms of TDS, one is Tesla Derangement Syndrome.
And he was still wrong. check out episode 892.
Well the elephant in room is, he didn't get paid BUT he gets early access to very popular product, meaning lots of views = money.
As an engineer who used to work for a supplier (did rear steer development on Hummer EV), it's nice to hear Jason actually know what he's talking about with the technical stuff. I appreciate it when journalists educate themselves beyond a level of "this feels good, I dislike this" etc
If i am not mistaken he is an engineer, so it makes sense that he explains these technicalities the best of all the journalists. Because he is the only one who actually knows what they're talking about.
Thank you!
hes wrong about multiple things though. he's uncritically regurgitating tesla's claims about NHTSA findings that even NHTSA has made statements that Tesla needs to stop claiming.
@criznashj before the CyberTrk test drove he was a skeptic of Tesla I'm sure afterwards heshocked what them Tesla engineers have done and come up with.For ICE diehards a months experience will make converts of them
@@criznashYou are uneducated about Tesla and so are most, even those of the automotive veterans and legacy auto, and that is why a decade after the Tesla modS was released legacy auto still has not caught up and come up with a " Tesla Killer"!
This episode boils down to: One guy who did his homework and one who didn't. Facts > Feelings.
Jason totally ruled this conversation
Exactly!
Matt comes across as someone who consumed too much mainstream media.
@@sparkpaul bingo! His behavior is either intentional or its not... either way listening to his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is insufferable.
As Tom would say, "Facts don't care about your feelings"
Good on Matt to have this discussion. That being said, I’m reminded why I stopped watching him years ago.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Well said. Co-signed.
+1 Co-signed.
Add another to the list
I'd just like to give props to Jason for his grace and kindness here, and also to Matt for his courage to put himself in that type of situation and be open to discussion and critique. None of this is easy between two people, especially in a public setting.
If Jason wasn't his friend, I doubt this video would exist.
@@ThienNguyen24 I wonder if he still is after this, but I think so.
So Matt was correct?
Yes
no. rofl.
yes
I watched the entire podcast and am so impressed with Jason’s professionalism and ability to separate opinion from fact. Jason gave ya’ll a free masterclass and you didn’t even know it.
Fact: Matt and Zach didn't even touch the cybertruck and look how much they criticized the vehicle. That's unfair for all the people who worked hard on the vehicle.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
I work in and teach sales. I learned a LOT from watching him separate facts from opinions. Definitely some gold in here.
“Gave y’all”. Ok checkmark ego. “Gave us*”
Are you kidding? Firstly Matt was on the mark on nearly EVERYTHING. Further watch an expert put Jason in his place regarding redundancy in episode 892.
I think Matt does excellent work, except when it comes to Tesla IMO. I think he's fighting a giant bias against the company and Elon in his reporting of the company, and it seems it's very difficult for him to view the company through any other lense.
They did fire his wife.
Matt also left Twitter because he doesn't like little people having an opinion.
@@JSmooVE3990he didn’t like them before that too. lol. He actually made more comments on them before his wife got fired. Had a Matt vs Tesla counter on older podcasts.
Jason is the most professional out of the group of youtube car guys
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Check SavageGeese if you like Jason...
@@sparkpaulkeep posting that comment on everyone else's comments. Weirdo.
I think Matt needs to revisit his apology and dig into what an embarrassing mess the reality of the Cybertruck is. What a fucking joke.
Jason Cammisa's position has not stood the test of time well. This truck has shown to be good @ not being a truck/SUV nor a reliable vehicle period.
I'm a self proclaimed Tesla Elon Musk hater much like Matt lol but objectively you can at least appreciate the way in which that company has revolutionised the EV industry and made them kinda cool albeit in a goofy or gaudy kind of way.
Also, Teslas are overrated piles of trash and Matt does make some good points about that brand, it's boss and how they both conduct their business but true integrity in journalism as Jason has pointed out here is simply laying out the facts for what really they are with no bias or favouritism or whatever. And Matt unfortunately can't seem to allow his judgement to override his obvious hatred for the boss (Musk is pretty easy to hate Tbf) and just call it down the middle as he should. You can't misrepresent be it intentionally or otherwise your own personal views as facts cos then you've effectively lost all credibility as a journalist, period.
His position on what exactly? His 'review' (more of a presentation tbh) was focused on engineering and innovation. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall him claiming anything about the car's overall reliability or it being 'good at being a truck/SUV'. What I do recall is people s*itting all over him for saying anything positive about the car they have a strong opinion about despite they've never driven or even seen one in the flesh at the point of publishing his video.
Just became a huge Jason Fan! Even though you could tell he felt some type of way about the attack on his credibility, his arguments were fact based and on topic without wading into personal nonsense and having to reference “expert” conversation
Context aside, this is journalism masterclass from Cammisa. That mfer is there for a reason!
He schooled Matt for a steady two hours.
@@taylorc2542 yea he kinda did, but as a communication and media student this is pretty valuable
@@mateogarcia6942Honesty is the best policy, so much of media today is dishonest.
@@mateogarcia6942 Agreed. I work in sales and this was insanely valuable.
Great to see Jason on the podcast to air any differences of ‘opinion’ that all parties may have. Sometimes our judgement can be clouded, but getting past it with actual discussion is the sign of a real mature adult.
Bringing up Missy Cummings *severely* degrades credibility in this dude. She's not remotely an expert on driver assistance systems, but instead, openly emotionally hostile to Tesla, it's in her Tweets. 38:15
lol, except that jason's receipts were facts, not opinion. Off topic convos however were.
Matt also bet some dude on twitter a delorean, the cycbertruck wouldn’t be made. Can we make sure he pats up on that one. 😂
This was a masterclass on how to conduct yourself in a debate, and how NOT to do that. Thank you Jason for staying neutral in your arguments and sticking to cold hard facts, even while being answered strictly with opinions.
I’m not even a Tesla fan, but this episode made me so happy to see Matt’s feelings and hatred to Tesla get checked.
Simplistic and emotive opinion.
@@robertpawley5715as opposed to your banal and arrogant opinion
So why is CT not road legal in EU?
@@735337707EU laws require the hood of a any vehicle to have a curve of a certain minimum radius, CT doesn't have curves
@@robertpawley5715project much? Smh
Engineer: You know a mechanical steering can fail. Chances are low but they do fail. Specially in a damaged vehicle.
Matt: No problem....I trust it completely. It's mechanical. I would rather have a bolt loosen and make my steering fall on my lap.
Engineer: But steer by wire will avoid that issue. We have more redundancies than a mechanical one andit could fail. Chances are extremely rare.
Matt: You mean there's a chance...!!! I don't trust it. 😑
and because of Elon. lol
Agree, the "do you trust it" part was the most Roganesque one out of the entire conversation.
People trust what they understand and what they have experience with. Numbers are meaningless to the part of the brain that assesses danger, only experience matters.
And this can work in perverse ways. For example we aren't afraid of car accidents, but some are afraid of flying, and most people are terrified of nuclear accidents, while in reality you are far far more likely to die in a car than being killed by nuclear radiation, and planes are somewhere in between.
@@andrasbiro3007 Yes, that's true. A variety of conclusions can be drawn from the same data set. It's how you interpret the data. And some people take advantage of this very fact to muddy the water. I think one should not only.be critical of they have been presented with but also look out for other conclusions as well so you will have some framework to go by.
😂😂😂😂😂
“I hear you Jason….but I just f’ing hate Elon”-says Matt because “I want my opinion to count more than facts.”
He left Twitter because little people had opinions.
@@taylorc2542😂
@@taylorc2542
Didn’t know he left twitter. Underneath that tough shell is a sensitive man-child. 🥲
He is definately massively biased, but I respect him very much for putting this show on and allowing Jason to speak fully.
@@Scholzey
His “awakening” on the difference between his (opinion-based) and Jason’ (fact-based) journalism was priceless. I give him that!
Jason Cammisa is bringing real facts to the table, respect. I had only heard bad things about Tesla. Now I want to go for a test drive.
Im sure many of these car youtubers are paid by the anti-tesla lobby. The main stream media is also very anti Tesla and misrepresents info all the time.
maybe expand your media. what else are they lying to you about?
Most of the bad stuff are from people like Matt who have some sort of agenda.
You will love Tesla after your first Test Drive....
Yes, and you NEED to see Jason Cammisa's short documentary (that's what they are) of the Tesla Plaid on the Hagerty channel. It's the one where they compare the Lucid to the Tesla Plaid, and the video editing and Jason's narrative performance in that video is just so, so awesome. It's the coolest video editing of any car video so far.
And now we have mass recall, but I'm sure people will continue to say the Cybertruck is fine
LOL, areu new to automotive? Recalls are part of life. Also, not all code fix are same.
It also breaks down all the time and is hilariously bad at anythinh except drag rscing.
@@RobFromDenver What a shame that he sold any journalistic integrity left to defend a horrible death machine
@@RobFromDenverlet me tell you this if you put your family in anything other than Tesla you are not taking best care of your family .. and this is a fact
Wait until you hear about all the mass recalls Toyota had to make, I guess it'll make your blood turn cold lol.
Matt has Tesla Derangement Syndrome. Props to Jason for having a level headed take on this whole situation
He left Twitter because he's very much part of the MSM journalists crowd. He doesn't like free speech.
That’s not the only TDS he has.
@@Bob_Smith19 touché
That’s the best explanation for it. Was frustrating to watch him not let go of his points.
Matt is straight up 🗑️
After watching this, my conclusion is that Jason is professional, well researched and as objective as he can and the other guy is none of those things.
I... I.... I hear what you're saying.... but... Elon bad.
@@JeffKubeluhm but uhm well well i mean well uhh in court i would say “elon opened the door”. (speaking to a guy who actually has a law degree hahahha)
ELON IS CALLOUS MEANY is pitiful argument!
This guy needs to cut the estrogen supplements
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
And you're entirely missing the point. Was Jason Cammisa's piece about the Cybertruck essentially fluffing for Elon Musk?
Whether he was paid to do so or not, he was. That should be commented upon.
Jason has really earned some well deserved respect.
Matt can’t hide his personal biases.
We all need to be more like Jason.
💯
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Kudos to Jason! The last 10 minutes is the most critical, EVERY TH-camr/Media person should take it to heart!
In the last 10 minutes we learn that to do a good youtube channel one needs a patron or at least draw some good sponsors.
Finally Matt’s BS caught up to him.
He is being doing this crap for while. I slowly phased out his videos and anything he talks about. He just ain’t objective.
What I find amazing is emotion rules facts - Cammisa is the only one with clarity
I think he used it in the wrong perspective, Matt and other people are sceptical of Tesla because they claimed FSD and Autopilot work. Plenty of dead people and why you can't use it here in Europe. A fact would be if no one died and people said they did.
Matt has such a heavy bias, it is hard to take anything he says as relevant. Jason is awesome here.
He's like a NYTs journalist but pretends to be a regular car guy.
He does not even try to hide his wokeness and socialism anymore and lives in opulence such a double standard
After watching this I’ve come to realize Matt is the embodiment of every Reddit moron whose uninformed take is argued either in bad faith or sheer hatred, but quite easily debunked. Like…just flat out saying the bed is unusable? Based on what experience Matt? You really think the taper nullifies the claim that the bed can fit drywall?? You literally think a pointy nose means more pedestrian maiming? Are you actually 7 years old? I hope you are embarrassed.
It's crazy how one man can ooze such ignorance.
@@EugenioBrenesWait. Socialism therefore poor?
I actually discovered Jason through The Smoking Tire, he's quickly become one of my favorite automotive journalists.
Omg lol. Try watching his old motor trend stuff it’s good too
Agreed. You got to watch his old motor trend stuff.
He’s a legend watch his older stuff. His presentation style is on point
@@ricardofigueroa6754 just watched the M3 video, gives me Chris Harris vibes. Great stuff!
If you haven't already, check out his weekly TH-cam podcast "The Carmudgeon Show"
After listening to Matt's opinions and feelings... I no longer trust Omaha Steaks
This really made me like Jason. Well done sir.
Jason nailed it at 18:18. When you’re a journalist, you need to check your own feelings and emotions at the door. That IS the problem with journalism nowadays. Bias. Check your bias, present the facts, and dress it in an entertaining way, without projecting your bias. It’s one of the things that makes journalism so damn hard.
Before watching this (cause it's f...in long?!), I love Jason, been watching his content for more then 10 years now, but CT video was a lot of show and not so much facts. And I can understand that, you need views, you need show, but it was kinda bias, not like "I hate Tesla" bias, but "I need a show" bias, if you know what I mean... I will feel free to edit this comment after watching the full video 😁
I've been skipping the Tesla segments for years. Matt can't control his bias and let's Elon live rent free in his head. I'm not saying ignore the bad stuff he has trouble admitting they are objectively good cars for most people.
Lol! Jason is doing the "youtube game" now. Hype everything new and different to get more views=$$$.
@@HUMC5 you hype the title but present facts in the video. That's standard for quality journalism on TH-cam
@@blackrippin Present "some facts" like he did in favour of the CT.
I've been watching Cammisa for 10y but him and LIEberman became bias to Tesla most of the time.
Matt may be wrong on a couple of things but his overall arguments are right.
This will probably be the only time I watch this channel. It was amazing to watch how many times Jason brought actual evidence in data only to be countered by a broken record about feelings and hearsay and rumors. It is pretty clear Matt is obtuse and comprised when it comes to an honest data driven review.
Thinking exactly the same thing….
Same. Funny how the guest outshines the host and how the former actually is the one carrying thee show.
This was an absolute dumpster fire and i wonder if this channel has ever had any shred of credibility. Definitely my last time here
Broken record, exactly.
Matt = opinion selling as fact vs. Jason = fact and tells us when he’s providing opinion.
Took me 3 days to get through this podcast.... Jason is just soo good, his views on facts vs opinions should be something everyone strides to do it is really insightful but I have to say I don't understand Matt. They talked for 2 hours and 30 minutes and not once did it seem like he understood anything Jason said to him. I have to wonder how hard the truth had to hit him in the face for him to wake up.
Tesla is not an evil company by any means and they are doing so much to bring forward the whole automotive industry. Opening up their patents, the book on 48V is epic and they even store their gigacastings outside so all competitor can see them in the flesh.
Seems like Matt couldn't get past the Tesla autonomy demo video from 2016. The facts are that of course Tesla should have used another language in the video, the driver was needed. When people say the video is fake it is not entirely true, the Tesla actually did drive that route in one shot BUT they tried like 100 times that failed before the "perfect" one.
We are in 2023, why do we need to go back to 2016. This makes no sense! Today more than 100.000 Teslas on US roads are equipped with the FSD software. So anyone knows someone who has access to FSD. Go try it for yourself, it is brilliant for 99% of the time and horrible for the last 1%. It is by no means FULL-SELF-DRIVING but it is also not a death machine or a scam. I would love to see Matt actually try a Tesla with FSD sometime you have to face your demons... and boy does Matt see a lot of demons at Tesla. Think about it Matt or the world will leave you behind.
Brilliant comment! You are spot on here. Tesla is the most forward looking company I know of constantly improving and iterating. It makes 0 sense to point out something they did wrong in the past and get fixated on that, when by now they have already addressed it, since they are constantly experimenting and learning. That’s their company culture. I will also point out that FSD is in BETA which is why it’s clearly called FSD BETA. Personally I would never pay for beta software but the 400k people that did, they did that on their own will. They were not tricked into buying it like your typical car dealership sales guy who tricks you into buying a LoJack and a bunch of other options you don’t need.
@Killyang True, we all knew what the current abilities of the system was. Also technical and legislational hurdles was known for years.
Sure Elon has been optimistic for years but who listened to him anyways. Always think for yourself, it is your money 😉
@@Arpedk the people who listen to Elon are his engineers. If this had been a Ford or GM product it would have been canceled.
I wanted to yell at Matt at multiple points during this podcast, just to tell him "use the damn thing before you talk shit about it." I have used FSD beta, from v10.69 to 11.3 to 11.4.9 now. It is imperfect, and I'd put it at 85-90% reliable. There are some common edge cases it struggles with. However, when you use the tech, it is damn impressive. No other automaker is currently making this level of autonomy accessible to do many people, despite it still being level 2 (which puts the onus on the driver to pay attention).
I want him to get his ass off the moped, wipe the "FSD runs over children in school zone" bias from his mind, and just live with it. Perhaps only after then will he realize how capable it is and why you shouldn't feel unsafe as a motorcycle rider when riding in traffic with Teslas on the road.
1:29:13 I literally slapped my hand down and said "YES!" the moment Jason said "Standard Deviation". Most under utilized statistic. Averages mean very little without a standard deviation. Jason gets it
Matt is drunkenly fixated on emotional facts.
“He opened the door”!!!!
Listen to how he constantly stammers when confronted by Jason. Uh uh uh but but mm but like he’s got a stuttering provlem.
Matt doesn't have emotional facts, he only has emotion.
Well he's a leftist, soo...
Matt hatred for Musk is so great that he almost let it jeopardised his friendship over a guy that he'll never see in his life. 😂😂😂😂
It's true. He's incapable of objectively discussing anything that has to do with Tesla.
Matt has a severe case of Elon Derangement Syndrome.
Matt is also against free speech on X.
Really ticks me off because I respect his stuff but it’s so obvious when it comes to the one company that has truly changed the industry in so many ways.
I respect both these guys but Cammisa is just on another level intellectually. Matt is blinded by his hatred for Elon and can't separate facts from emotions. I love his car reviews and enjoy most podcasts, but as soon as he gets into his PC tirades I shut it off. Stick to talking about cars which you are really good at. Leave the politics, political correctness and pandering to CNN and Fox.
Agree, I get politics shoved down my throat by people at work, on TV, social media, etc..., I listen to car podcasts to be entertained and not preached to about politics/religion. Luckily I can skip over the podcast when this comes up and listen to a different podcast. I did listen to this though to see each journalist's view and was not shocked or disappointed by what when down.
Nailed it!
Went back to watch the previous episode before going into this. That did not come off as a friend criticizing a friend. That was a hit piece.
Yer he's was being a real cunt towards Jason in it.
Jason is showing himself to be one of the best and maybe only actual JOURNALISTS out there. Super props to him for understanding and presenting the differences between facts and feelings.
Wow. What a beat down. This is what happens when logical argument meets an emotional one, lol. Loved watching Jason make this adult baby tap dance for 2 hours 😂
I’m an engineer working in the mechatronics and autonomy space and I have to say that I’d always been a fan of Jason but this only solidified it - some of the comments from Matt and Zach were pretty ill informed sadly 😅
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
It's the difference between a journalist with legal experience and two "due bros."
Jason takes Matt apart piece by piece. Love it.
Thats not what this is about, they are not that immature (maybe you are). It is all about being able to talk factual despite differences.
@@AlexanderGreb77 He used the legal system framework. I guess you think that is immature as well. I wonder what you do for a living.
@@AlexanderGreb77 Smoking tire made it immature by offering to apologize then continue to make unsubstantiated claims and underdeveloped opinions.Jason shouldnt have had to take them apart, but they basically begged for it and Jason was 1000X more prepared.
@@magi115 I am doing pretty well. So now you know.
@@AlexanderGreb77 Kudos to MATT for having the nads to hash this out on his own channel but his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is hardly adult.
There is clearly one journalist here. Jason comes with facts and Matt shares his feelings 😢
Jason stopped being a journalist the moment he sold his journalistic integrity to Tesla
@@IchigoKurosaki011lol
Now we need a link to Jason’s document! He put so much time and effort into it that it needs to be shared. It is basically the required reading for this free masterclass in journalistic integrity.
Ya that paper he sent them 3 seconds before getting on air.
Lol journalistic integrity. His cybertruck review was a puff piece, just because he didn't lie about much doesn't mean he made an objective review. I can't believe how bad people are at critical thinking and reading between the lines.
@@mittortz you're either trolling or you don't understand engineering...or both
@@Earnformation what exactly about my comment would make you suppose either of those things?
@mittortz you don't say how Jason's review was a puff piece and point to nothing to support your argument...he, unlike you and I, had access to the actual engineers that built the thing. He has years of automotive industry journalism. He's admitted to not liking the truck personally, but couldn't get over the advancements that came with the car.
So...how was it a puff piece?
Hearing Jason say he was disappointed in Matt really hit home. I would hate having Cammisa 'disappointed' in me, and you can tell Matt feels like shit.
Also, how great is it seeing adults work through their disagreements.
Watching Matt And Zack get all hurt is probably the funniest thing about this video . “ thanks for explaining video production to me “ is where Zack crumbled 😂😂
that was truly upsetting to here from Zack, guy took it 100% personally when Jason clearly didn't mean it like that
That part genuinely made me sad. Then cringe. Then just sad again. How one gets this triggered over absolutely nothing is puzzling to me. I genuinely thought Zack was the level-headed one of the two UNTIL I heard that. Funny how a single moment can change your entire opinion on someone forever…
what a fucking joke
Where was this part in the interview?
Jason is a true pro. Always respected him but do even more now after this discussion.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Jason gave you a valuable lesson on how to be an unbiased journalist. hope you learn
Sooo basically, Cammisa brought 2 hrs of thoughtful facts and logic and Matt brought 2 hrs of Musk bad = Tesla bad.
The worst part is it isn't even musk bad. It's 'musk says things I don't like' so tesla must be bad.
Matt apologized. We should give him a chance. He was called up by a big name, not by little people like you and me.
It will be interesting to see how things roll up from now on.
Props to Matt and Co. for being standup individuals and allowing Jason to come on their podcast and spend an hr + skewering them for their mistakes to their face, taking it on the chin and owning it. Not many outlets these days would agree to something like this without spending half the time shouting him down and trying to discredit him/distract their audience. Jason started the conversation with the most important part, the TH-cam automotive space seems huge but really isn’t that big. Anyone who knows both these channels and people wants you all to be successful and is supportive of all of you.
Matt was still trying to justify his reasons, but all it is that he is a Tesla and Elon Hater. He goes beyond the boundaries as a so called Jounalists and uses his personal reasons why he hates Tesla and Elon as an reason for his judgement. This is what the main media does now instead of giving out facts regardless of their like or dislike of a company or a person. Everything is a half baked facts, and more of an PERSONAL opinions without real facts.
@@1flash3571 That was right on point!!! I think we (the people) have been misled so many times by the Media that instead of giving us reality, they give us their distorted vision of reality. The one thing I will say in Matt's defense is that there is a difference between not having the facts and distorting them. Some people are not paying attention and try to fill in the blanks... this is what I think Matt is doing....I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here.
They're not being stand up individuals, they are sniveling (Matt and Zack, that is.) jason is taking the high road.,
I'm curious how this would have gone if it were in person as well as if Jason brought the Cybertruck with. I would have had to make popcorn.
@@trentonfettig7265 On a personal note, when I first saw the Cybertruck, I thought it was a joke and there was a "real" truck coming out later. Then I saw the truck in person at a local Tesla Store and I was in awe. I can't understand why there is such a huge difference but there is. The technology part is amazing. The proof will be in the pudding, on how well drives. that is what really matters, looks and all that aside, that is what should be the focus
Love Camissa’s take here. Disagree with Matt on a ton of things but say what you will, he showed great character here.
Too little. Too late.
Should go back to dealing drugs instead - maybe daddy won't safe him this time around.
Eh, I don't realy agree tbh. He refuses to eat crow and changes the topic/non-sequiters every single time Jason trys to call him out on consistency.
Yeah after finishing I agree, he started off great but really pulled a Californian apology.
@@AliOfBabaI’m only 15 min into the podcast but I for one am shocked about that (heavy sarcasm)
Jesus crist dude, good lor do you have to be so nasty? He is so humble in the whole 2 .5 hr video and you still being mean? @@NO3V
Just became a huge Jason fan. Refreshing to have someone without bias but instead seeks knowledge and facts and truth. Rare today in the media.
Refreshing to find a youtube creator who do not totally live and die by clicks. TH-cam is like a kid teasing animals with food on a string. As soon as the animals get close they pull away the food.
Without bias, races the cybertruck against a vehicle twice as heavy. Dude flushed his integrity down the drain
Check out his podcast the carmudgeon it’s great!
I hope you found his shows on Hagerty and Issimi; Icons, Spotlight, Revelations and Ultimate Drag Race are imo the best automotive content in the business
Jason brought actual facts to this debate, not opinions or feelings. Love the way he conducts himself as an auto journalist!
Weird he didn't talked about Mercedes running ads in 2015 about their "self driving" car.
Jason cleaned your clock with facts. I don't know what Elon has done to you, what ever it was, it has taken away all of your objectivity. Dude, grow up and start using your head and not your emotions. Remember, facts do not care about your feelings.
LOL this guy is citing Missy Cummings as a knowledgeable person. Tesla's camera only approach works better than every other carmakers self driving system and it's not even close.
“Self driving cars should have LiDAR to be the safest.”
-from people that make and sell LiDAR.
This was a bloodbath
This is embarrassing. He came on to defend his shill job and acted so self-righteous. In hindsight he is exactly the shill he claims not to be.
We just witnessed a true automotive journalist schooling a trust fund kid.
Matt. I might not always agree with your opinions, but I have immense respect for you as a person for taking responsibility and apologizing publicly. It speaks volumes to your character as a man and a member of the human race. I will always be a fan of you as a person.
People give him so much shit but he always owns his opinions and mistakes and talks about them. More people would be better off learning from Matt
@@HeyitsallgoodmanI think people give him shit for being so fragile when it comes to any kind of criticism, his hypocrisy when it comes to class that’s clearly rooted in the guilt he feels regarding his upbringing as a rich kid (just own it), and his open disdain for many of his followers and fans.
An actual “apology” usually includes the words “I’m sorry”, in active voice. Those words were never uttered. Instead, we got indirect statements, often with a “but” followed by a bunch of excuses.
@@domehead1004 spot on...100%
A great example of adults acting mature about a disagreement - something we don't tend to see much these days, especially here on YT.
TST has long been my favorite source of automotive news and entertainment.
Gentlemen eating crow together is a beautiful and generous thing ☺️
Disagreements tend to not be as low stakes as "do you like car". Maturity in disagreement is a privilege for those who have nothing material to lose in that disagreement.
@@aro2866 agree to disagree
@@larssonk22 Thanks for the demonstration.
@@aro2866 You think disagreeing is a privilege? What drugs?
I don't want to ride my bike next to a drunk driver but I bet the host is all for the right to drink.
It's against the law to drink and drive. The driver's responsibility.
Likewise, it's the driver's responsibility to keep his hands on the wheel and eyes on the road.
Blame the idiots who disregard the rules and laws, not the car or the tech or the alcohol.
"We need to be able to better as a community, and as a country, and probably as a world, to do a better job of separating opinion from fact." So great and so true.
My point is you shouldn't call "AUTOPILOT" what is an advanced cruise control, because it is a misleading wording, and all the explanations afterwards is not a fix. We have engineers and highly educated people dicking around with autopilot, Camisa itself says "I drive more intensively because I rely on my radar auto brakes". The point is you shouldn't rely on that even if radar is superior to cameras, like you shouldn't over rely on ABS/ESP and the wathever other assist.
If you don't want to seal with all the complications of driving, take a taxi.
Matt's feelings/emotions vs Jason's FACTS.
FACTS... Solving the emotions problem..... there's your new You Tube channel
I just realised I can listen to Jason talk about car tech for hours
Just realized that Matt is a slob who hates Tesla/Elon because of free speech.
Check carmudgeon show and enjoy Cammisa's talks with 89yo Hyphen.
Ok seriously, both podcasts are great.
@@Kocan7damn it you beat me to it! 😂
@@Kocan7hyphen is actually 94
At what point does Matt question his reasoning process in general. Too many mistakes made to a friend. Your reasoning should be recalled.
Now that some time has passed can we all accept that Matt has been 100% vindicated and that Jason's "objective journalism" was just an excuse to parrot the talking points provided by the Tesla engineers.
Jason probably got a free Cybertruck
What was he wrong about?
@@Pbairsoftman That Teslas are safe, so the Cybertruck has to be safe too.
Its so safe that its illegal on a whole continent and several other countries. Also so safe that there are no independent crashtests of it. For obvious reasons
@@valerystoichkov7429that wasn’t his point. He was specifically talking about pedestrian safety and steer by wire, both of which aren’t issues on the production car just like he said. It’s illegal for the same reasons the hummer EV is illegal, but you’re not mad about that?
lol... what is wrong with you people? is this elon derangement syndrome? my god
I’m listening to this podcast for the first time because Jason is here…. And it will be my last….
Jason came prepared to use his Law Degree…. And also lined up his background to show his awards. Clever. Love Matt and Zack still, and that Professional Idiot too lol
Jason has just schooled Matt on facts.
That’s why he’s triggered cause facts are facts
You must be new. Cammisa hides many facts in his videos so Tesla doesn't look bad.
Matt is constantly frustrated with his low view count on his review videos, meanwhile, Jason is absolutely crushing it. And this conversation shows exactly why that is happening. Matt is far too emotionally connected to things, and puts far too much of his personal bias into his reviews. It’s exhausting to watch. I used to be an avid viewer for years, but I’ve grown to trust him less and less as time goes on. Meanwhile, Jason is crushing every single thing he does.
I’m no Tesla fanboy but wow Jason slaughtered Matt with facts. I just subscribed to his channel and will avoid Matt at all costs.
Definetily check out his shows on Hagerty; Icons, Ultimate Drag Race, and Revelations are genuinely my favorite car content being made today
The more i listen to matt the more I like Elon and Tesla. Granted I never disliked either but nowits turning into admiration lol
These Elon Musk shills in the comments are truly disgusting. Almost as much as this advertiser Jason.
Ten minutes in and I'm reminded why ypu two are my favorite journalists.
You mean journalist and guy who sticks a go pro to the windshield and talks about what he feels
One is a professional journalist, and the other is a Musclehead who can't differentiate his biases and FACTS.
Matt is not a journalist lol, I love him but he's far from it
To all three of you bozos - ok buddy if you say so
Love me some Jason. Truly a inspired automotive journalist with bright insights that doesnt let politics affect his takes on vehicles
I do take issue with his idea that journalists shouldn't opine about cars and companies. If facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure.
He was saying you can have your opinion, but the facts are still the facts. @@theoneandonlybosable
@@theoneandonlybosable I think that is where the separation between a Journalism, Journalist and Columnist have gotten blurred/blurry. Journalists can editorialize and commentate, but journalism is the capturing or uncovering of facts that tell a story on their own, without editorializing. Obviously this can include witness testimony and interviews, which can be fact checked, but also people generally have bad memories or their brain tries to make sense of something foreign to them and fills in details that are not accurate.
@@theoneandonlybosable What Jason means is that if you call yourself a journalist of any sort, you should provide facts OVER giving your opinion. That does not mean you're not allowed to give your opinion but when you do give your personal opinion on something it should be stated clearly. Thats just what proper journalism means. And about the "if facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure" is just wrong, the clue is in the word ''marketing''. Jason isn't marketing anything with his work thats not his job and im sure he knows that, he's just giving the facts and the results he finds and than sprinkling in some humor to make it entertaining. A brochure on the other hand well.. its goal is literally to convince you to buy something.
@@Nathan_Adams How a car drives is not the latest happenings in geopolitics, editorializing and opining is inherent to reviews of products that corporations ask people to pay for. Funnily enough MKBHD had a quote years ago about reviewing a consumer product- the facts can all be found on a spec sheet, the substance of a good consumer product review is opinion.
Jason's awards in the background is such a Jason move. That and making a 23 page .pdf of his rebuttals prior to the podcast perfectly encapsulates the difference between journalism and youtuber.
I think you meant to say a “lawyer” and a TH-camr! He said he has a law degree in this podcast, and it’s clear.
When jasn started explaining engineering and equations, they had no idea 😂
Tesla fanboys are so weird
Jason exposed how distorted Matt's disdain for Elon has biased his 'conclusions'. Well done Jason.
When Matt run outs of arguments he then fall backs to political view on FSD🙈🙈….that is the least interesting thing about the whole truck.
How about GM promising 30 EV for 2025. Fail. GFY.
18 minutes in and I’m subscribing to Jason’s channel.. Over the years I’ve dropped (I think all) car channels for there lack of journalistic integrity
Can someone cut the parts where Matt talks
Wow. Matt's EDS (Elon Derangement Syndrome) runs deep!
Initial thoughts after ten min: Jason cammisa is spot on with his comments so far.
after 2 hs.....Jason Cammisa is absolutely spot on.
After 2 hrs 36 minutes Matt is a stuttering, stammering idiot with no facts whatsoever. Jason wipped the floor with this hack
"safe in all these ways"
"But elon bad"
"okay, but this is fact"
"but elon bad"
"Nothing on the road is safer"
"but elon bad"
The irrational "Elon Bad" goes beyond Tesla. It's because Elon bought Twitter and put an end to the censorship. It is political. Granted there are some diehard gear heads out there that hate all things Tesla simply because of the success Tesla is having and how bad legacy auto is struggling.
Jason's review of the Cybertruck was IMHO the best review out there. And he admitted at the start of the review that he thought the CT was a joke.
I know he got a ton a negative backlash beyond what he got from Matt.
This is political, the attacks on Jason will continue, it will become more irrational. Eventually Jason's political views will change as well.
What I described above will happen more & more across the land.
Groupthink is bad, it has run it's course.
For the love of god; Matt, stop. You have at this point lost the respect of your audience. What a mess.
This was exceptional. Great insight into journalism