@@potatobagel tbf when people call him a pedophile after the accusers came out and said they made it all up for drama it would be hard to not defend yourself when things could be potentially a misunderstanding
@@KellerFkinRyan yea that's fair something like that's probably hard to deal with and important to adress. He's also just gone out of his way to address like silly twitter drama or like that time he cheated. Maybe I'm misremembering he's just always seemed to be really desperate to correct every drama ever lmao
@ no yeah youre totally right on that, I think hes sorta overcompensating. I do understand it though, ive been falsely accused of things in the past and I have this sorta instinctual need to clear my name whenever things that could involve me pop up. I dont go on twitter and try to get into other peoples drama like he does though lol
Good question. I cannot even think of one of his friends that fits the description. They played Among us together with OTV, so it is probably one of the people there.
@@AdamWeisshaupt I think the point is that there must have been at least two because Dream brought up a different friend that he called a whore than the one Ludwig was talking about, hence Dream asking "which one?"
I mean how is he supposed to know when it happened if it was years ago and they were all drunk? Lud could've at least said who she was so that they could resolve. Dream made an effort to fix something but didn't even know what was broken. What if you were in this situation?
You act like Ludwig doesn't actively jump into covering this sort of drama... He's literally covering it because he can't help himself because streamers LOVE jumping into drama and gossip, they're like abunch of high schoolers around the cafeteria table.
I like Ludwig and dont like Dream but when you call someone a pedo it's not about giving them free PR, if they proved they arent you should at least retract that statement especially with how much damage that can do to trivialize a serious matter. Even if he ended it like "he's still a weird piece of shit, just not a pedo" I would have more respect for Ludwig in this situation. Idk why he acted like it was a PR solicitation and not just someone asking him to clear up previously false statements he made. It just made me feel like if Ludwig doesn't like you, he won't have journalistic integrity though I guess it doesn't matter much anymore as he's retired from drama in mogul mails at least.
@@dabestboi7509you can't see them, becuase they are creators who socialize face-to-face, we don't know who the girl is but most likely it was either a private message which made it's way to her. Or she heard it first hand. But she doesn't need to say who she is becuase privacy.
If I’m remembering right he even lied and said he had never called a women a whore (I may be mixing up his stream and the video, I’m not sure and I’m not rewatching rn to find out)
Except this isn't proof. That's what he's asking for. He said "tsk tsk whore" which is not offensive in any way and it is ridiculous to pretend it is to one woman and Ludwig is talking about a different, completely unverified situation with no context. Also claiming to care about calling someone a whore when he's still friends with a guy who watched deepfakes of his girlfriend is laughable
@@96tazzcrazy98 they're friendly doesn't mean they're still friends, and if you're okay with defending someone calling a friend of yours a bad word that upsets them, u don't really consider them a friend.
@@96tazzcrazy98 one of them went above and beyond to make up for his mistakes, one is going on 2-hour rants about how calling someone a whore isn't really that bad and people should light up
The fact that it wasn't even the right girl is crazy. Tommy and Tubbo must've been right about Dream being a total misogynist behind the scenes if he's calling more than one girl a whore.
no, literally if he wouldve kept the video playing he says ludwig basically said “you called my friend a whore, but i wont tell you who” so dream had literally no way of knowing who he was referring too
and no, ludwig just said that dream texted him an essay DEFENDING himself. on why he DIDNT call a girl a whore. which would imply that he didnt go around calling a bunch of women that 🧍♀️ use context clues next time
@@yaitsnotme7472 Ludwig said that Dream brought up a completely different girl when he was defending himself because Ludwig didn't specify who it was. If Dream had to guess who it was and he even got them mixed up, that means he was in a situation like this more than once. What are you not comprehending about this?
Moments like this are why I like watching Lud. Keeps me grounded when I hear about drama, cuz he makes me realize that I don’t actually give a shit lmao
@@BRUH-lk3cvdo people really still care about Hasan drama? Like its obvious that he does it on purpose, he’s a political streamer, he’s gonna be political. Like I’m actually curious how people get upset or angry when a political streamer says something controversial, even if it is bad. Thats just called being political, its always such boring “drama”
@meatstick8607 Because each time Hasan is involved in a drama Ludwig acts like he needs to try his best not to make that manchild cry, he always instantly folds and removes any criticism levied towards him and it's pathetic.
@@Prudester ok but genuine question, does it affect you at all? If no, why even bring it up? If yes, why does ludwigs actions affect you that much? None of these people know you. Either way you come out the weirdo
It's such a hilarious self report to respond to someone telling you they dislike you because you called their friend a whore with justifications for why you called some other girl a whore because apparently this is something you've done more than once.
Also in Tubbo´s live another streamer DM him because he thought that Dream make a mistake naming Ludwig instead of him in the whore situation because Dream make the same thing with a friend of his in a Twitchcon so.... 💀
@@Potatoe-f6uit makes sense though, unfortunately i did keep up with the dream smp at its height and i only remember abt 2-3 girls on the whole thing, in addition to that they never got a main part in the plot and the story would be the same without them. also side bit all the men were also white so do with that what you will 💀💀
@@SuperMechaSkullspretty sure this is referring that “detective dream” was doing an “unbiased” investigation of himself and found that dream was not the culprit of anything. Which is himself….
in tubbos stream response it came out that the ludwig clip wasnt even about ludwig but was about someone else and their friend but its insane that the clip was dream talking about ludwig but he also did it to another stream/creators friend lmaoooo
No he was talking about Ludwig, this video confirms it, just nobody knew it was about ludwig because he never publicly said it and everyone just assumed it was about the other guy that was public knowledge
@@jakobfinney “but it’s insane that the clip was dream talking about Ludwig but he also did it to another stream/creators friend” did you miss this part of my comment???
With Robbo also jumping into the mix when he thought Dream had confused his name with Ludwig's, I think what Tubbo said is really holds water: (paraphrased) "If your response to being accused of calling a woman a whore isn't immediately 'No, I've never done that' that's an immediate self-report"
I’m autistic. My younger brother is also autistic. He says the r slur all the time. But not in a way to reclaim it. I think the term can’t be reclaimed if it’s just used as a spicier word for stupid. That’s not reclaiming it that’s reinforcing it. In order to reclaim it, it has to mean something else, something positive or at least neutral. I tell him that every time but he doesn’t get it, which is fair cause he’s 12. Idk if the r slur can be reclaimed rn. Thats my two cents anyway.
Me and my little brother, (four years old), are also autistic and I totally agree. If I do something a little different than most people would do and an autistic person in my age group calls me that word it is most definitely not reclaiming the word. Every time I’ve seen someone use that word for anything it is inherently negative. You can’t just say ‘oh well I’m autistic so I can call people the r slur’. Nicely put.
I think with that word, it's more that it's so far removed from the original use that people now don't even associate it to that. It's gone to the point that 'Lame' or 'Moron' or 'Dumb' have. Those used to have actual medical meanings, but they don't now. It's probably been like 40 years now since people last referred to actual people with downs syndrome that way. The fact people are now somehow associating it with Autism when that was never what it was is kind of evidence it's lost it's meaning completely.
@@EnderSwordI wouldn’t go that far, people don’t purposefully harass autistic people with the word “lame”, but they still do to this day with the r slur
I hate the trend where youtubers curate a younger audience then start hella drama knowing that their fans aren't mature enough yet to realize its bull shit
@@seeluet if people are making things up about you 24/7 your choices are either let them say whatever they want (then you get people saying "he won't address it, that's basically like admitting he did it") or you address everything and end up like this. I don't really like him but frankly I feel compelled to defend him because it feels crazy seeing everyone just find any possible reason to hate him
Background: I, an off and on DMSP fan, who has now avoided the fandom for the last 2 years stumbles upon the dream drama and then upon this video. Now: Can I just say, I know very little about you or your channel, but the fact that you give such a neutral review of the drama, and shoot down all the stupid behavior of both parties involved, makes me respect you so highly. Like my opinion about you has gone up so HIGH! Thank you for being the actual unbiased 3rd party that the internet needs. Congrats on getting platinum in LOL btw!
DUDE, Literally after watching 3 minutes of a recommended drama video, i clicked off realizing I didn't care because it just seemed like children reminiscing over nothing. And then I come to Ludwig going "bro i don't even WANT to care" cinema
Honest to god me. I wanted to be informed, realized I didn't give a shit and then watched this one cause it more aligned with my desire to be informed and my not caring of the drama
Correction: drama between one middle schooler, one person aggressively done with their bullshit, and a bunch of other people that want nothing to do with the middle schooler in question and somehow got dragged into this
The massive issue with this is that Dream first started the drama with Tommy and his friends, then now he dragged Ludwig into it, then now he published a video crying how he feels so hurt that he's being dragged into drama and how people are dragging him for attention, when HE STARTED IT FOR NO REASON, Dream is genuinely such a bastard
1 minute in and Ludwig convinced me that I wont dig any further on this. I dont really know dream, I dont really know tommyinnit, why the hell would I bother. I really need to remind myself to not dig into pointless drama more often. so thanks.
correct me if im wrong but didnt the drama just happen because tommy couldn't let go of dream's name and making harmful jokes abt him while dream kept silent for so long?
@@seiichi128no what happened was some twitter post argument about the word “cringe” or sum shit idk - anywho it made dream post this meme that included the r slur against both Tommy fans and dsmp Stan’s (which is crazy cause aren’t they your own fans??) and Tommy decided to direct a video about how messed up it was, though (ALLEGEDY) it’s not the first time dream’s had behaved like this
@@seiichi128tommy said mizkif was annoying and hated talking to him. xqc said tommy was cringe and catered to dsmp stans. dream then called tommy innit fans the r slur. dream was never mentioned in this specific situation.
It’s so insane that word has become a bad word. lol. Can’t wait until saying “dumb” gets people canceled. That’s literally what the word meant: delayed mental development. Not *limited*, just delayed, like you’ll get there eventually. lol. People are truly regarded.
After getting caught up on this situation because I have no life and wasting one of my sick days because I hate my dead end job, the only question I'd ask is: what point is Dream trying to prove? Is that he's better than Tommy as a person? 'Cause calling people slurs isn't, I still don't buy the claim about the reclaiming thing either, he used it in a derogatory manner and even if he is on the spectrum, he's still punching down on others. Dude is weird, the entire beef was originally Tommy saying that he didn't like Mizkif, but this weirdo inserted himself after he was mentioned and it wasn't even calling him out. Now, all this dirt is on him and both his responses has been picked apart by multiple people at this point. Like imagine dropping a response asking for proof about your misogyny, only for someone to confirm that you name call women an hour or two beforehand. The man even straight up lied about Tommy not paying his editors and using free labour from fans after multiple of his editors (and even some that aren't) came out on Tommy's defense. What's more telling is that Dream's peers former and now aren't even defending or siding with him, there's multiple content creators that have thrown stones at him. It's rather pathetic What is he even doing at this point? Digging himself a hole to hide in after all of this is done?
@@amberspark9434 it's crazy reading comments like this when people will literally just lie about him constantly to the point where nobody knows what he did or didn't do, you expect anyone to have a reasonable online presence when you have to deal with that? he laid out in a comment to this video that ludwig made a joking comment about how dream called one of his friends that, and nicholas cantou (someone known to have lied about dream multiple times) also accused dream of calling one of his friends the same thing. so dream asked if ludwig was talking about the same thing. it's unclear whether a single person in this situation is telling the truth, because apparently any time the subject of dream comes up everyone feels the need to make things as complicated as possible by inventing new plot points. it's absurd to me that so many people lie about him to the point where now anyone can just say anything about him and expect another person to lie to corroborate it. we're at the point where tommy can just make a video with tons of unsubstantiated claims and since at this point everyone has accused dream of basically everything, when tommy says dream's a misogynist people are like "sure yeah sounds likely enough". nicholas can just throw out a random thing about calling a woman something, and ludwig just happens to joke about a similar subject, and despite zero evidence being provided at any step of the way, people are suddenly convinced that dream is a misogynist because the stars aligned to make him look as bad as possible, since literally every involved person dislikes dream due to random things other people made up. it's a cycle of stupidity and for some reason dream is blamed for it
@@godlyvex5543 I'm sorry, but that explanation is wildly convoluted and too obtuse to actually be a proper response. The "actually he got confused because he said and they said" isn't the water-tight defense and explanation, you think it is. I'll give Dream the benefit of the doubt, I don't think he's a genuine bad person and isn't a raging misogynist (even if my comment insinuated it, my bad), but he comes off as a hypocrite with how he keeps asking for evidence and then crop out messages from Tommy's editors and those who even aren't to make him look bad. He's also a bully that downplays his own (now former) friends, need I remind you that almost all former DSMP members haven't even defended him (except maybe for closer associates), not to mention many fellow content creators coming out against him. The murmurs around his behaviour behind the scenes may not be evidence, but there is a genuine grain of truth when we look back at the server's and the players' fall out. As a former fan of Dream's, I get that Tommy and his crew's poor taste "jokes" are bad and should warrant criticism and accountability from them, but that doesn't excuse Dream's other arguably poorer behaviour and actions in which he hasn't even apologized or taken any sort of responsibility. I expect better from him, an apology video that isn't full of shit slinging and a sincere step forward to be better.
Tubbo brought up that he thought this was talking about an entirely different situation (which went public a while ago) assuming he mixed up Ludwig with someone else, implying a potential THIRD WOMAN (or the other girl he was texting ludwig about by accident) he’s called a whore. Bro make new life choices at this point man 💀
He did not just expose himself for calling ANOTHER WOMAN a whore Jesus Christ please can dream just get off the internet stop making hour long response videos and writing college essays defending HIMSELF
he explained that nicholas cantou accused him of doing that, and we know that nick lied a ton about dream. ludwig said dream called his friend that thing, so dream was confused on if they were talking about the same thing. crazy that multiple people can just make things up about dream to the point where they end up reinforcing each others' fake stories and making him look even worse, it's basically the same thing that happened with the grooming scandal
@@godlyvex5543 You need to take a walk outside, see your family and friends, touch some grass, breathe the fresh air, delete your Twitter account, and step away. Defending a guy that you don't even know this hard is kinda cringe NGL.
wdym? he apologized for the thing he did and then for the rest said tommy had no evidence, and he didn't. the only iffy thing was the misogyny thing which is apparently him calling one person a rude name which he also apologized for
throwback to when i was in the depths of the dreamsmp fandom and DIRECT MESSAGED dream about using the r slur and he said "oh no i only use it in private i would never use it to be offensive and also if you ever call anyone blind or deaf as a joke then YOU'RE using a slur"
Listening to Lud talking about these Minecraft boys having expired boring ass beef and then I just lose my shit at one chatter screaming "LUDWIG EAT THE MIC" like it's a very urgent matter and he MUST do it or else terrible thing will happen
This whole drama is just so- like it started off with tommy saying he hated mizkif because after an event, he was tired and abt to leave when mizkif approached him and started talking and asking questions that tommy felt uncomfortable with, he tried giving social cues that he was tired and wanted to leave but mizkif didnt get the clue. Mizkif was upset when tommy talked about hating him, defended himself and called someone else (i forgot the name) who was there, and that person basically said that tommy was clearly tired that day when asked what she remembered from that day. The whole drama started out of something so meaningless. Tommy was valid for feeling tired and annoyed, but still should apologise (privately or not) since mizkif didn't realise and didnt pick up on social cues. Mizkif however, handled it immaturely. Dream is just weird for stepping in to escalate a situation that would have been forgotten in like 2 days.
I’ve seen people supporting dream and saying Tommy was being over dramatic- but uh…wdym? His fans were literally called an incredibly offensive slur? Even if dream has an autism diagnosis, there is a difference between calling yourself the word, and 15 million strangers the word to deliberately describe them as stupid.
(Oh I just found out that there is possible evidence that Tommy lied about the harassing his mom thing, so that is valid. But still- dream is objectively wrong for using that word, and dream has said stuff to woman that are very misogynistic.
Ludwid has been saving me potentially 1000’s of hours of not watching the drama, but waiting for lud to summarize it for me! Sucks he’s replaced by AI within 5 yrs tho
Right? I get recommended garbage like this for no reason. How about paying attention to the actual world instead of people yapping about dumb shit online
I’ve never genuinely watched any of the videos by the people involved but for some reason TH-cam has consistently recommended Luds videos to me. I see why now. Based asf. “I am a lege of ledgers player, leave me tf alone” is so refreshing.
Tbh I don't love Lud telling Dream to just "keep his head down" like NO, more people need to call him out on how hes a MISOGYNIST??? Misogynists dont deserve a platform??
It’s a lil funny how he conveniently brushes over the caiti situation AND acts as if he don’t know what misogynistic behaviors he participates in when calling women derogatory phrases like cmon bro
Dream writing an essay to defend a parallel but unrelated situation might be the funniest thing he’s done
That was so u hinged, I came back to look for comments
It's definitely a dream moment of all time. Bro will do as much as physically possible to try and defend himself.
@@potatobagel tbf when people call him a pedophile after the accusers came out and said they made it all up for drama it would be hard to not defend yourself when things could be potentially a misunderstanding
@@KellerFkinRyan yea that's fair something like that's probably hard to deal with and important to adress. He's also just gone out of his way to address like silly twitter drama or like that time he cheated. Maybe I'm misremembering he's just always seemed to be really desperate to correct every drama ever lmao
@ no yeah youre totally right on that, I think hes sorta overcompensating. I do understand it though, ive been falsely accused of things in the past and I have this sorta instinctual need to clear my name whenever things that could involve me pop up. I dont go on twitter and try to get into other peoples drama like he does though lol
"You called my friend a whore"
"Which one?"
that's crazy 😭
Good question. I cannot even think of one of his friends that fits the description. They played Among us together with OTV, so it is probably one of the people there.
"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
@@erzdev5669 best comment yet.
@@AdamWeisshaupt I think the point is that there must have been at least two because Dream brought up a different friend that he called a whore than the one Ludwig was talking about, hence Dream asking "which one?"
Bro the fact he started defending himself about calling the WRONG WOMAN a whore just shows how terrible this guy is oml
Wouldnt say terrible
@@leandruss i would
@@leandruss ???
@@leandrussyeah…
I forgot what word i was gonna use :p
I mean how is he supposed to know when it happened if it was years ago and they were all drunk? Lud could've at least said who she was so that they could resolve. Dream made an effort to fix something but didn't even know what was broken. What if you were in this situation?
The healthiest mindset is to be a dream ignorer
When drama is the only reason someone comes across your feed, it's best to just ignore it lol
Honestly a Twitter ignorer is also good
Sheep
@@LukdamanDo you know what it means to call someone a sheep? You’re making no sense
@@Lukdaman how? Wouldn't a sheep be following the drama?
Ain’t no way dream tryna pull Ludwig into his drama 💀
In coming
He not people are trying to start it
You act like Ludwig doesn't actively jump into covering this sort of drama...
He's literally covering it because he can't help himself because streamers LOVE jumping into drama and gossip, they're like abunch of high schoolers around the cafeteria table.
I like Ludwig and dont like Dream but when you call someone a pedo it's not about giving them free PR, if they proved they arent you should at least retract that statement especially with how much damage that can do to trivialize a serious matter. Even if he ended it like "he's still a weird piece of shit, just not a pedo" I would have more respect for Ludwig in this situation. Idk why he acted like it was a PR solicitation and not just someone asking him to clear up previously false statements he made. It just made me feel like if Ludwig doesn't like you, he won't have journalistic integrity though I guess it doesn't matter much anymore as he's retired from drama in mogul mails at least.
Like when he keep pulling miz on drama
lmao Dream is name calling so many women that he can't keep track of who he's insulted anymore
no he isn't? just checked his twitter replies and he hasn't name called anyone
@@dabestboi7509 lil bro did not watch the video he clicked on
Did you watch the video
@@dabestboi7509 You didn't even watch the video did you?
@@dabestboi7509you can't see them, becuase they are creators who socialize face-to-face, we don't know who the girl is but most likely it was either a private message which made it's way to her. Or she heard it first hand. But she doesn't need to say who she is becuase privacy.
this happening only like 2 hours before dream release a video where he asks where's the proof he's misogynistic is comedy gold
If I’m remembering right he even lied and said he had never called a women a whore (I may be mixing up his stream and the video, I’m not sure and I’m not rewatching rn to find out)
@@toolazyforthis3164he said not that he'd know of he also said that its a word in his vocabulary
Except this isn't proof. That's what he's asking for. He said "tsk tsk whore" which is not offensive in any way and it is ridiculous to pretend it is to one woman and Ludwig is talking about a different, completely unverified situation with no context.
Also claiming to care about calling someone a whore when he's still friends with a guy who watched deepfakes of his girlfriend is laughable
@@96tazzcrazy98 they're friendly doesn't mean they're still friends, and if you're okay with defending someone calling a friend of yours a bad word that upsets them, u don't really consider them a friend.
@@96tazzcrazy98 one of them went above and beyond to make up for his mistakes, one is going on 2-hour rants about how calling someone a whore isn't really that bad and people should light up
The fact that it wasn't even the right girl is crazy. Tommy and Tubbo must've been right about Dream being a total misogynist behind the scenes if he's calling more than one girl a whore.
no, literally if he wouldve kept the video playing he says ludwig basically said “you called my friend a whore, but i wont tell you who” so dream had literally no way of knowing who he was referring too
and no, ludwig just said that dream texted him an essay DEFENDING himself. on why he DIDNT call a girl a whore. which would imply that he didnt go around calling a bunch of women that 🧍♀️ use context clues next time
He thought he was talking about a different girl bro
@@yaitsnotme7472 Ludwig said that Dream brought up a completely different girl when he was defending himself because Ludwig didn't specify who it was. If Dream had to guess who it was and he even got them mixed up, that means he was in a situation like this more than once. What are you not comprehending about this?
Eh context is important calling a whore a whore isn't misogyny
Moments like this are why I like watching Lud. Keeps me grounded when I hear about drama, cuz he makes me realize that I don’t actually give a shit lmao
Except when it’s about hasan
@@BRUH-lk3cvdo people really still care about Hasan drama? Like its obvious that he does it on purpose, he’s a political streamer, he’s gonna be political.
Like I’m actually curious how people get upset or angry when a political streamer says something controversial, even if it is bad. Thats just called being political, its always such boring “drama”
@meatstick8607 Because each time Hasan is involved in a drama Ludwig acts like he needs to try his best not to make that manchild cry, he always instantly folds and removes any criticism levied towards him and it's pathetic.
@@Prudester ok but genuine question, does it affect you at all? If no, why even bring it up? If yes, why does ludwigs actions affect you that much? None of these people know you. Either way you come out the weirdo
You need another man to form your opinions for you? And you're bragging about that?
It's such a hilarious self report to respond to someone telling you they dislike you because you called their friend a whore with justifications for why you called some other girl a whore because apparently this is something you've done more than once.
Also in Tubbo´s live another streamer DM him because he thought that Dream make a mistake naming Ludwig instead of him in the whore situation because Dream make the same thing with a friend of his in a Twitchcon so.... 💀
@why_shorter1906 so it’s happened at least 3 times? That’s fucking wild
@why_shorter1906 Tommy's response did mention a lot of misogyny behind the scenes which is extra lame considering most of Dream's audience is female.
@@Potatoe-f6uit makes sense though, unfortunately i did keep up with the dream smp at its height and i only remember abt 2-3 girls on the whole thing, in addition to that they never got a main part in the plot and the story would be the same without them. also side bit all the men were also white so do with that what you will 💀💀
@@Potatoe-f6u for real, is very sad and disgusting :(
the way my jaw dropped when ludwig revealed that dream was defending himself for a situation he wasn't even referring to
Ludwig having the most objective, straight to the point, based take on the whole situation
he had no take? That was the whole point of the video is that he had no opinion.
@@crimps.on.slopershaving no take (his way of handling the situation) can be a “based take on the whole situation”
@@crimps.on.slopers the "idgaf" take is probably what they mean. which is a take most people should have. who gives af about dream.
How was it objective? He was just acting pretentiously 'uninterested' in a way that made it clear he dislikes Dream.
@@crimps.on.slopers cus there is no point having an opinion bruh
after investigating the incident i have found that i am not guilty
proof?
Hey please don’t throw misinformation like that without any evidence it can be really harmful
@@AnnebonnyINREALLIFE💀💀💀
Are you quoting mizkif?
@@SuperMechaSkullspretty sure this is referring that “detective dream” was doing an “unbiased” investigation of himself and found that dream was not the culprit of anything. Which is himself….
Saw somebody call Dream Detective Slurlock, funniest shit I've read in a while.
in tubbos stream response it came out that the ludwig clip wasnt even about ludwig but was about someone else and their friend but its insane that the clip was dream talking about ludwig but he also did it to another stream/creators friend lmaoooo
It really says something about someone character that they need to lie about something that doesn't even matter (speedrunning)
@ that’s actually valid af and I didn’t even think about that when all this broke
No he was talking about Ludwig, this video confirms it, just nobody knew it was about ludwig because he never publicly said it and everyone just assumed it was about the other guy that was public knowledge
@@jakobfinney “but it’s insane that the clip was dream talking about Ludwig but he also did it to another stream/creators friend” did you miss this part of my comment???
this is like the criminal confessing to a different crime he wasn't even accused of in the first place
With Robbo also jumping into the mix when he thought Dream had confused his name with Ludwig's, I think what Tubbo said is really holds water: (paraphrased) "If your response to being accused of calling a woman a whore isn't immediately 'No, I've never done that' that's an immediate self-report"
This has to be the hardest Ludwig outro of all time
So true it was so good
Love Ludwig but surely he has a better outro than bragging he’s a league player 😭
Me too
I agree with Tubbo’s take that all this is rage bait to promote a new song and Dream never gave a shit
Taking the KSI route
@@drcoconut14 thick of it (remix ft. Dream) when?
This is a 50 Cent "what he say fuck me for?" moment
IM SAYINGGG BROOO (finna listen to 50 cent today again cause u mentioned this. Much love bro)
BRO ME TOO, I’m about to play some 50 Cent after seeing this 😂 much love
EXACTLY BRO (I'm about to listen to the famous pop artist "50 Cents" upon seeing this comment. Much love)
FRRR JUST WHAT I WAS THINKING!!! Boutta turn up 50 in the crib AND in the car, much love brotha
dead internet theory on these replies
Detective Dream on the case ☝️🤓
back to coding ✍
A case that he’s apart of 💀🙏🏾
“With great power comes great responsibility” ☝️🤓 -tommyinnit (said with a straight face)
bro cannot keep track of the people he's harrased
ludwig standing up for his friends behind the scenes might be my new reason to believe in human decency
dream have won the award for the dumbest self report of the decade
THAT IS AN INSANE SELF REPORT LMAOOOO
6:47 legit I thought he was gonna say “That part is true. *I am a great guy”*
I’m autistic. My younger brother is also autistic. He says the r slur all the time. But not in a way to reclaim it. I think the term can’t be reclaimed if it’s just used as a spicier word for stupid. That’s not reclaiming it that’s reinforcing it. In order to reclaim it, it has to mean something else, something positive or at least neutral. I tell him that every time but he doesn’t get it, which is fair cause he’s 12. Idk if the r slur can be reclaimed rn. Thats my two cents anyway.
Me and my little brother, (four years old), are also autistic and I totally agree. If I do something a little different than most people would do and an autistic person in my age group calls me that word it is most definitely not reclaiming the word. Every time I’ve seen someone use that word for anything it is inherently negative. You can’t just say ‘oh well I’m autistic so I can call people the r slur’. Nicely put.
I think with that word, it's more that it's so far removed from the original use that people now don't even associate it to that. It's gone to the point that 'Lame' or 'Moron' or 'Dumb' have.
Those used to have actual medical meanings, but they don't now.
It's probably been like 40 years now since people last referred to actual people with downs syndrome that way. The fact people are now somehow associating it with Autism when that was never what it was is kind of evidence it's lost it's meaning completely.
@@EnderSworddoesn’t meant it still isn’t extremely harmful
@@EnderSwordI wouldn’t go that far, people don’t purposefully harass autistic people with the word “lame”, but they still do to this day with the r slur
@@EnderSword silly take. disabled people get called that slur all the time because they are disabled.
if the dream tweet isn’t a cash grab then that’s insane
he was harassed by tommy for years. he’s been the cash grab all along.
"Why are you getting involved in this whole thing, Dream?"
"Why are you involving *me* in this, Dream???"
Absurd drama.
Dream trying to clear his name for being misogynistic in a 5 page document is funny asf ☠
and not even about the right accusation. Bro doesn't even know which insult he's being called out on.
fellas is it bad to clear your name now?
@@finn_bee_Stop glazing
@finn_bee_ youre either rage baiting or didn't watch the video
@@finn_bee_can’t clear your name if you did it twice lmfao
“I’m a league of legends player…leave me alone”-Ludwig 2025
1:25 I love that he’s adopted “Ludwig from video games” LMAO
"Pause! Context matters"
Dream just ignores the context while everyone else gives the context
"Ludwig of video games?" LOL
yup as opposed to Ludwig of music
certified "Susan from HR moment"
I hate the trend where youtubers curate a younger audience then start hella drama knowing that their fans aren't mature enough yet to realize its bull shit
can someone genuinely tell me why dream is always writing fucking paragraphs I'm so confused
Genuinely I think it’s just a bad habit of his.
unintentionally saw the recent comments and the guy just replied with another paragraphs I can't 😭 his comment is literally above yours
@@seeluet oh my god this just made me laugh so hard I genuinely cannot
the timming is immaculate 😭😭😭 @@chowzah287
@@seeluet if people are making things up about you 24/7 your choices are either let them say whatever they want (then you get people saying "he won't address it, that's basically like admitting he did it") or you address everything and end up like this. I don't really like him but frankly I feel compelled to defend him because it feels crazy seeing everyone just find any possible reason to hate him
Am I the only one or Dream starting to sound like Xqc, very hard to understand what the actual hell he is saying
so much word vomit
It's the coke lol
I understand it perfectly fine
Background: I, an off and on DMSP fan, who has now avoided the fandom for the last 2 years stumbles upon the dream drama and then upon this video. Now: Can I just say, I know very little about you or your channel, but the fact that you give such a neutral review of the drama, and shoot down all the stupid behavior of both parties involved, makes me respect you so highly. Like my opinion about you has gone up so HIGH! Thank you for being the actual unbiased 3rd party that the internet needs. Congrats on getting platinum in LOL btw!
Avoided the fandom for 2 years? ah. Sorry man, hope you feel better
Giving in all my years of teaching- 1:00
You're a special kind of awesome
Genuinely Lol’d at this comment
DUDE, Literally after watching 3 minutes of a recommended drama video, i clicked off realizing I didn't care because it just seemed like children reminiscing over nothing.
And then I come to Ludwig going "bro i don't even WANT to care"
cinema
Honest to god me. I wanted to be informed, realized I didn't give a shit and then watched this one cause it more aligned with my desire to be informed and my not caring of the drama
Please don't let there be any ludwig drama. I love this sentiment "Don't drag me into this. I'm a league player, I'm platinum" XD
Feels like middle school drama but wayyyyy more stuff I don’t understand
Correction: drama between one middle schooler, one person aggressively done with their bullshit, and a bunch of other people that want nothing to do with the middle schooler in question and somehow got dragged into this
@ ……that is what mask for ( I’m so sorry I just think pun would make you giggle )
that was a twist not even doctor strange couldve forseen
the fact this was only 9 mins just shows how much this guy does not gaf
The massive issue with this is that Dream first started the drama with Tommy and his friends, then now he dragged Ludwig into it, then now he published a video crying how he feels so hurt that he's being dragged into drama and how people are dragging him for attention, when HE STARTED IT FOR NO REASON, Dream is genuinely such a bastard
1 minute in and Ludwig convinced me that I wont dig any further on this. I dont really know dream, I dont really know tommyinnit, why the hell would I bother. I really need to remind myself to not dig into pointless drama more often. so thanks.
good.. I regret looking further into this this shit is brainrot
@@jacoL8 thanks, I am really weak when it comes to drama, just got this tingling curiousity sometimes. But I like think I've been getting better
honestly same
Dream really didnt need to be in the drama.
correct me if im wrong but didnt the drama just happen because tommy couldn't let go of dream's name and making harmful jokes abt him while dream kept silent for so long?
@@seiichi128no what happened was some twitter post argument about the word “cringe” or sum shit idk - anywho it made dream post this meme that included the r slur against both Tommy fans and dsmp Stan’s (which is crazy cause aren’t they your own fans??) and Tommy decided to direct a video about how messed up it was, though (ALLEGEDY) it’s not the first time dream’s had behaved like this
@@jeritheweirdchild he didn't call r slur to dsmp fans, just tommy fans.
@@seiichi128tommy said mizkif was annoying and hated talking to him. xqc said tommy was cringe and catered to dsmp stans. dream then called tommy innit fans the r slur. dream was never mentioned in this specific situation.
It’s so insane that word has become a bad word. lol. Can’t wait until saying “dumb” gets people canceled. That’s literally what the word meant: delayed mental development. Not *limited*, just delayed, like you’ll get there eventually. lol. People are truly regarded.
After getting caught up on this situation because I have no life and wasting one of my sick days because I hate my dead end job, the only question I'd ask is: what point is Dream trying to prove?
Is that he's better than Tommy as a person? 'Cause calling people slurs isn't, I still don't buy the claim about the reclaiming thing either, he used it in a derogatory manner and even if he is on the spectrum, he's still punching down on others.
Dude is weird, the entire beef was originally Tommy saying that he didn't like Mizkif, but this weirdo inserted himself after he was mentioned and it wasn't even calling him out. Now, all this dirt is on him and both his responses has been picked apart by multiple people at this point.
Like imagine dropping a response asking for proof about your misogyny, only for someone to confirm that you name call women an hour or two beforehand.
The man even straight up lied about Tommy not paying his editors and using free labour from fans after multiple of his editors (and even some that aren't) came out on Tommy's defense. What's more telling is that Dream's peers former and now aren't even defending or siding with him, there's multiple content creators that have thrown stones at him. It's rather pathetic
What is he even doing at this point? Digging himself a hole to hide in after all of this is done?
I agree with Tubbo’s initial stream where he calls it ragebait. Dream keeps doing this over and over, at this point I think he knows what he’s doing
@@amberspark9434 it's crazy reading comments like this when people will literally just lie about him constantly to the point where nobody knows what he did or didn't do, you expect anyone to have a reasonable online presence when you have to deal with that?
he laid out in a comment to this video that ludwig made a joking comment about how dream called one of his friends that, and nicholas cantou (someone known to have lied about dream multiple times) also accused dream of calling one of his friends the same thing. so dream asked if ludwig was talking about the same thing. it's unclear whether a single person in this situation is telling the truth, because apparently any time the subject of dream comes up everyone feels the need to make things as complicated as possible by inventing new plot points.
it's absurd to me that so many people lie about him to the point where now anyone can just say anything about him and expect another person to lie to corroborate it. we're at the point where tommy can just make a video with tons of unsubstantiated claims and since at this point everyone has accused dream of basically everything, when tommy says dream's a misogynist people are like "sure yeah sounds likely enough". nicholas can just throw out a random thing about calling a woman something, and ludwig just happens to joke about a similar subject, and despite zero evidence being provided at any step of the way, people are suddenly convinced that dream is a misogynist because the stars aligned to make him look as bad as possible, since literally every involved person dislikes dream due to random things other people made up. it's a cycle of stupidity and for some reason dream is blamed for it
@@godlyvex5543you need to chill out man, defending someone you dont know this hard cant be healthy for you
@@godlyvex5543 nah
@@godlyvex5543 I'm sorry, but that explanation is wildly convoluted and too obtuse to actually be a proper response. The "actually he got confused because he said and they said" isn't the water-tight defense and explanation, you think it is.
I'll give Dream the benefit of the doubt, I don't think he's a genuine bad person and isn't a raging misogynist (even if my comment insinuated it, my bad), but he comes off as a hypocrite with how he keeps asking for evidence and then crop out messages from Tommy's editors and those who even aren't to make him look bad.
He's also a bully that downplays his own (now former) friends, need I remind you that almost all former DSMP members haven't even defended him (except maybe for closer associates), not to mention many fellow content creators coming out against him. The murmurs around his behaviour behind the scenes may not be evidence, but there is a genuine grain of truth when we look back at the server's and the players' fall out.
As a former fan of Dream's, I get that Tommy and his crew's poor taste "jokes" are bad and should warrant criticism and accountability from them, but that doesn't excuse Dream's other arguably poorer behaviour and actions in which he hasn't even apologized or taken any sort of responsibility. I expect better from him, an apology video that isn't full of shit slinging and a sincere step forward to be better.
Tubbo brought up that he thought this was talking about an entirely different situation (which went public a while ago) assuming he mixed up Ludwig with someone else, implying a potential THIRD WOMAN (or the other girl he was texting ludwig about by accident) he’s called a whore. Bro make new life choices at this point man 💀
Ludwig seems like he is agreeing with Tommy’s point that dream makes misogynistic comments without saying it
He did not just expose himself for calling ANOTHER WOMAN a whore Jesus Christ please can dream just get off the internet stop making hour long response videos and writing college essays defending HIMSELF
he explained that nicholas cantou accused him of doing that, and we know that nick lied a ton about dream. ludwig said dream called his friend that thing, so dream was confused on if they were talking about the same thing. crazy that multiple people can just make things up about dream to the point where they end up reinforcing each others' fake stories and making him look even worse, it's basically the same thing that happened with the grooming scandal
@@godlyvex5543
You need to take a walk outside, see your family and friends, touch some grass, breathe the fresh air, delete your Twitter account, and step away. Defending a guy that you don't even know this hard is kinda cringe NGL.
Dream will do anything, even namedrop Ludwig from video games for absolutely no reason, except apologize and admit he was wrong
wdym? he apologized for the thing he did and then for the rest said tommy had no evidence, and he didn't. the only iffy thing was the misogyny thing which is apparently him calling one person a rude name which he also apologized for
@@godlyvex5543he never apologized for the slur lmao. Saying you regret it, isn’t an apology.
@@originaalname156 he did apologize though
I’ve never related more to a Ludwig comment than when he said he got bored watching the responses
we got all this content bc miz was annoying tommy at a con, lowkey give him props for spawning so much content
sending back a 5 page report on the WRONG PERSON is so comical
What a fucking twist ending lmfao
3:16 is a CRAZY accurate impression
5:40 start here don't waste time
Thanks Jesus 👍🏻
throwback to when i was in the depths of the dreamsmp fandom and DIRECT MESSAGED dream about using the r slur and he said "oh no i only use it in private i would never use it to be offensive and also if you ever call anyone blind or deaf as a joke then YOU'RE using a slur"
Listening to Lud talking about these Minecraft boys having expired boring ass beef and then I just lose my shit at one chatter screaming "LUDWIG EAT THE MIC" like it's a very urgent matter and he MUST do it or else terrible thing will happen
Timestamp?
This whole drama is just so- like it started off with tommy saying he hated mizkif because after an event, he was tired and abt to leave when mizkif approached him and started talking and asking questions that tommy felt uncomfortable with, he tried giving social cues that he was tired and wanted to leave but mizkif didnt get the clue. Mizkif was upset when tommy talked about hating him, defended himself and called someone else (i forgot the name) who was there, and that person basically said that tommy was clearly tired that day when asked what she remembered from that day. The whole drama started out of something so meaningless. Tommy was valid for feeling tired and annoyed, but still should apologise (privately or not) since mizkif didn't realise and didnt pick up on social cues. Mizkif however, handled it immaturely. Dream is just weird for stepping in to escalate a situation that would have been forgotten in like 2 days.
Dream always does that. He did that in DreamSMP. Also, he was the first to have ADHD after techno joined the DreamSMP.
"Leave me outta this"
The most powerful counter-argument
AND IT WASN'T EVEN THE SAME GIRL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Lost my shit when dream took the meme down and ranboos response was "must of been the wind"
I cant believe Dream called CdawgVA a whore
the self-report is funny af man 😭
I’ve seen people supporting dream and saying Tommy was being over dramatic- but uh…wdym? His fans were literally called an incredibly offensive slur? Even if dream has an autism diagnosis, there is a difference between calling yourself the word, and 15 million strangers the word to deliberately describe them as stupid.
(Oh I just found out that there is possible evidence that Tommy lied about the harassing his mom thing, so that is valid. But still- dream is objectively wrong for using that word, and dream has said stuff to woman that are very misogynistic.
They r both in the wrong i can’t defend tommy
both r weirdos and overdramatic
I'm so hungry
The ragebait channells needed new content so twitter spawned some drama
Game away gamer
Ludwid has been saving me potentially 1000’s of hours of not watching the drama, but waiting for lud to summarize it for me! Sucks he’s replaced by AI within 5 yrs tho
This is the first time ive had to watch a video on 3x speed
I assume this is your first Ludwig video then?
You gonna addicted to that speed on every video
After a week being stuck in my house from the snow this has kept me nice and entertained.
The fact that he’s defending so much means he’s hiding a lot more
what is that logic
"Because DAYUM this shits EMBARASSING. *EMBARASSING* ." PREECH KING
The name drop in that stream is crazy
Honestly when arguing with a kid online, talking to their mother is an INCREDIBLE power move.
Internet beef is stupid in general idk how it's still so trendy
Right? I get recommended garbage like this for no reason.
How about paying attention to the actual world instead of people yapping about dumb shit online
There is never an instance in any form of dream drama that isnt caused because if him or caused by him trying to make everything about him
Damn that's a nice jacket. Anyone which one it is?
got it from his dad, I think he mentioned it in poki and Lily's podcast
He looks taller wearing it
I’ve never genuinely watched any of the videos by the people involved but for some reason TH-cam has consistently recommended Luds videos to me. I see why now. Based asf. “I am a lege of ledgers player, leave me tf alone” is so refreshing.
I am so fucking done with youtube drama
Tbh I don't love Lud telling Dream to just "keep his head down" like NO, more people need to call him out on how hes a MISOGYNIST??? Misogynists dont deserve a platform??
we need men to take a stronger stance on misogyny. i like ludwig but he should have taken this opportunity to be more explicitly anti-misogyny.
Yeah leave Ludwig alone. He's the number one honey fan of the world.
Lud's delivery of "Fuck you want from me? I am a League of Legends player" is actually iconic
Personally, they should just have a boxing match
I forget that guy ever excited and he comes back trying to this 😭😭
Dream just posted his response lmao 😂
LMAOO FRL?? what did he say
@@jazlinnnnn he disproved everything tommy said and put more allegation on him with proof
@@jazlinnnnn it was actually very well put together
I’m not really on anyone's side atp
@@jazlinnnnnironically, he tried to claim he's not misogynist, despite ludwig bringing up an example of a self report.
It’s a lil funny how he conveniently brushes over the caiti situation AND acts as if he don’t know what misogynistic behaviors he participates in when calling women derogatory phrases like cmon bro
I said "damn thats crazy" and this guy from video games promptly says right afterwards "im just a guy that says damn thats crazy" honestly wild.
dream has to be the biggest baby i have ever met on the internet honestly he needs to get a grip ngl
Dude said leave me alone I’m a league of legends player. This league phase will take a while to be over
that rant in the beginning sounded like pg lowtier god
ending to the vid was goated
Everyday there is a new person involved in this dumb drama
I love the way Lud recounts his experiences lol
I'm drink ashell yo
And this is why we love Ludwig
4:08 No "might be"? LET'S GOOO WE'RE COMING OUT BOYSS LET'S GOOOO
this is the first time we've heard of dream or tommyinnit in 5 years, so clearly orchestrated drama to revive their careers. move along
Holy fuck Ludwig cooked Dream LMAO
lmfao 10/10 ending editor!!