Ford Truck twin I beam alignment
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- Ford Truck Alignment, with twin I beam suspension.
Tutorial describing the adjustment of a twin I beam suspension, on Ford trucks from the 1990's using an aftermarket sleeve, when the coil springs sag down due to wear and tear, or overload, camber becomes negative, the solution is either replace the coil springs or use an aftermarket sleeve.
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Thanks for making this great and informative video on Twin I beam alignment. Your short vdeo explains in seconds what I struggled with understanding on my 1985 Ford based motorhome since years. In fact it took me years to realize the springs have sagged and were in fact the reason for too much negative camber, which in turn throws off caster, making it harder to keep the truck centered and causing excess wear to the steering gearbox. I've bookmarked this video and will use it to help others who I encounter with the same issues. Cheers!
I am trilled that this little video helps. Thanks a lot for you comment!!
its difficult for me to put into words the gratitude i feel for you making such a clear, concise, and easy to see visuals to go along with proper English thank you .
Wow, thank you! Appreciate your kind words.
For some reason people with a hispanic last name are genius mechanics. Great video. You helped a lot of people. Thank you.
You're welcome! and thanks for watching!!
Didn't mention that all Ford factory cams are stamped with camber/caster size. But all are stamped for the pass. Side,so the caster reading on the driver side is backwards
Yeah, some are marked as R or L with a plus and minus and the value since they are indexed, however if you remove the indexing tab then, numbers won't matter anymore. But you are right. Thanks for the comment and observation.
You helped me realize that ill need to take my E350 chassis motorhome in to get the alignment. Tires are wearing on the outside. Was thinking I could get sleeves and do it myslef but it's a little more technical than I thought. Thanks
Good luck!! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for a short and simple explanation
You're welcome.
Wow 👌 👏 😍
Thank you so much 😀
Thanks this was the only video that actually explained it to me
I am glad it was helpful!!
Awesome video presentation my dude! I learned this stuff in tech school, but years later someone asks me and I'm clueless, lol. Great refresher
Glad I could help!
Absolutely wonderful video. Well spoken, very informative, and just what I needed and more.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your comment.
Your video is a masterpiece. Subscribed
Thank you so much!
Excellent video. Very helpful thank you
Glad it was helpful!
The best video I've seen on the camber bushings! Well done!
Subbed and bell on!
Wow, thanks! I am glad you liked it!
I like your explanation. On the E450 (cutaway chassis motorhome) my local Bruce tire shop aligned on the Hunter Hawkeye. Their printer was out so no before or after readings. It seemed better but was pulling hard again after loading up the vehicle w front end weight so Im going back again. I have new Sumo springs and a steering damper installed before the alignment.
Good luck, Caster reading should be within 0.5 to 0.75 deg split between left and right, pulling towards the lower angle, however pull may be caused by bad or underinflated tire, or different tires, dragging brakes, etc., Hope they fix it. Thanks for your comment.
@@CarlosMDominguez followup here. The caster was off. The left was 3.0, rt was 5.5. The forums for cutaway chassis motorhome recommend getting both over 5, but the best they could do was 4.2 & 4.5 with their largest cam possible on the left. That was 2 alignments and 4 new cams in 6 mos/3k miles, $422 total... its riding better with slight right pull now on normal crown interstate. I hope it holds that but i do drive on washboard pothole roads occasionally for camping. My tires always age out before they tread out. 52k miles odometer with steering linkages all in great shape.
@@jr.6199 those are good numbers. The $422 is not I’m glad you solved the problem. thanks again.
thank you
You're welcome.
Helped my ranger👍
Glad to help. Thanks.
great vid! nice visuals. Explains how things work super well.
thank you.
This really helped me to understand the adjustment I need. Thank you very much.
You are welcome!
Great video I'm getting ready to do a 1982 Ford F-100. Well appreciated Sr.
Your welcome! Thanks for watching, and good luck!!
This was super helpful, now I understand more about how the suspension is set up.
With just this sleeve is it possible to get more caster, without throwing the camber way out?
Not with this one, there is another sleeve (concentric) that adjusts camber and caster independently (google: dual camber caster sleeves) however there is a limit on how much adjustment is possible to do. Thank you for your comment and good luck.
@@CarlosMDominguez thanks for the pointer!
Nicely done video!
Thank you very much!
can you explain what happens when you add a leveling kit in the front or raise it by 2-3 inches? what if you add drop brackets? on a 90 f series
If you raise it it will increase camber just as if you pick the vehicle up from the frame, you still have to fine tune the alignment with a lesser value cam, on the drop brackets for what I can tell, have a cam adjustment so you can correct for camber, however I never done such modifications myself. I hope this explains it.
Ver very helpful
@@ottodepaz7187 thank you.
Thank you! exactly what I needed.
You're welcome! glad it helped.
Entendí solo unas cuantas palabras, pero el resto fué suficiente para entender y darme una idea, gracias, me sirvió.
Gracias a ti. Saludos.
Awesome, thank you.
@@glennlisagore you’re welcome!!
👍 gracias amigo!
Gracias a ti, por ver el video y comentar.
Reading into this, I'm wondering If it would work with my 65 f100!
It won’t. F100 aren’t adjustable they have a king pin instead of ball joints.
Hi Carlos, I have an F100 1970 with a bad camber, do you know if they maker these bushings for such an old vehicle?
If I'm not mistaken, no adjustment is possible on king-pin type spindles, however the way I used to do it was bending (straightening) the I beam axle with a special hydraulic press aka camber caster correction tool. Good luck.
Very well done, many thanks.
Thank you too! for watching and the comment.
Thank you my friend.
You are so welcome!
I have a 1999 f250 with a factory adjustable upper cam. My truck has all new OEM parts ... I have gone to two alignment shops and they have no clue the upper cam needs adjustment so they check toe and give it back .. The truck originally stayed true and straight and now wanders when you steer.. The toe seems good but the caster camber seems off .. like a oversteer condition ... Also the wheel does not return to center easily without a hand assist . I looked at the bushings and if you were looking down at the truck forward .. the drivers bushing is at around 10:30 o'clock and the passenger side is at 2:15 this is the center line of the cam position . The last alignment shop gave me a printout LF .4 deg camber with 3.5 caster.... the passenger is .6 deg camber with 3.5 deg caster.
I want to adjust the bushing myself was looking for your advice . Some forums call for more caster .
My thoughts are like a shopping cart ... with less caster I am on top of the wheel and it is sensitive to any steer right or left with no force to hold it center
For what you say, camber and caster are good, 3.5 deg is good, 0.5 deg camber is also good. (the position of the cam does not matter much) perhaps other problem is causing stability problems, for example, very hard to turn because very tight ball joints, or power steering gear box, or if you replaced parts, make sure they are installed correctly (something may be upside down or backwards things like that, although twin I beam systems are simple, sometimes happens, specially when oversteering) but most likely hard to turn ball joints would be a suspect.
Good luck.
So on the drivers side, if my camber is reading +1.1 degree (out of alignment) and I need it close to be +/- .25 and the current camber bushing is +1.30 degree (1 1/2) what camber bushing would I need to reach my goal of +/- .25 camber?
That depends on the position of the bushing, is it facing in out or sideways. If is facing out (positive) then rotate towards inside until within tolerance, taking in count your caster reading.
It is not possible to give you an answer without all variables known. Good luck.
Excellent, thank you!
You are welcome!
Awesome video .
Would this also work a 2020 model with the same I beam suspension ?
Thank you sir , this is the only video that has any useful advice at all.
It should, with any similar suspension type as long as it has camber-caster cams. Thanks for your comment!
Muy bien explicado 👏🏻👏🏻
Gracias!
@@CarlosMDominguez mi Ford f150 1996 tiene la pieza en 1. 1/2 y ya es todo lo que da, pero queda positivo la llanta, metida de abajo y salida de arriba, qué medida ocupo para enderezar?
Cambié resortes y ya no da, me dice que es todo lo que abre,
A la mejor lo que esta pasando seria que la espiga esté doblada si el ángulo es excesivo el tamaño depende de la medida actual del camber. Pero existe la posibilidad de algún daño ya sea en la espiga o en el brazo.
@@CarlosMDominguez a simple vista no se ve, lo que veo que uno marca 1.1/2 y el otro no se ve, y uno está al centro y otro lateral el círculo , tal vez sea por que no están iguales los excentricos
@@enriquegarfer07 bueno, pues lo primero que hay que saber es cuánto se encuentra el ángulo de camber. sabiendo eso ahí puedes determinar la cantidad de la leva. Usualmente el máximo ajuste serían 3°
Man ur good!
Thank you! Appreciate that. Glad you liked it.
I dont know if. U care but i own 4 f350 for work and one of them was raised 2 inch but she eats tires on the outside , and tires are no cheaper. Thanks for the explanation. 2000 f350 2wd .
@@MrMachuca1978 Yeah, usually whenever the vehicle is raised toe changes (toe in ) and camber goes positive. alignment will correct the problem. Good luck and thank you for the comment.
Great video!
Thank you! Glad you liked it.
I have a ford super duty passenger bus and the camber appears to be very positive. Is it possibly designed this way to compensate for weight?
No. Not if it's excessive, or some special application, all vehicles should come aligned out of the factory. Weight loading is already factored in with the stiffness of the springs. Check your alignment. It may be the toe in (optical illusion). Good luck.
I put new coil springs on my 94 F150. I now have positive camber. Is there anyway to know to what degree I have without going to an alignment shop?
The problem is that when your camber changes so it does the toe in, you could scribe the tires and measure toe with a tape measure, just to make sure is not going to be more than 1/8" in or out. With regard to camber, it's a little harder to measure accurately, I have used my iphone's level app in the past, (putting it against the wheel or tire) just to have an idea how bad it is, (more than a degree), I think you may consider taking it to the alignment shop. Good luck.
Amazing video!!!
Thank you!!
@@CarlosMDominguez you’re welcome. I can tell you put a massive amount of work into making it. Keep up the awesome work!
I have a 2012 F-250 2wd, I wanted to install some 3” leveling spacers and new camber sleeves. Would I have to get some drop down brackets for the I beams as well?
It’s hard for me to say without looking at the vehicle. once you install the spacers you’ll have to get a alignment readout to know. Good luck.
Thanks.
I raised my 93 Ford Ranger 2 inches and I have that problem.. do you know what grade I should buy to make it perfect?
Unfortunately the only way to know which size, is to take a camber reading, you have to see which cams your truck currently has, as well as the alignment (camber-caster) angles, then do the math. Good luck.
Does this apply to a1996 f350 with Leaf springs ? My truck pulls to the right ?
No. twin I beam only. If You have a straight axle or differential there is adjustment but is more difficult to adjust. some don’t have adjustment at all. you may want to take an alignment reading to see if that is actually the problem. Good luck.
Very nice.
Thank you! Cheers!
Amazing
Thanks
I understand this. This is a great video to by the way. Do you know why on the ttb after I did a 6 inch lift the reason the front tires toe in when I go in reverse? Makes no sense and I feel like something is going to break. Everyone tells me the obs ford ttb is know to do that lol buy WHY! thanks just FYI when I pull forward tires straighten out
Most TTB systems do that. I would say thats normal. I have seen this phenomena since I started working on alignments late 1980s . Do to the design of ttb. However if you use a lift kit it may be necessary to change the pitman arm with an extended one to compensate for the excessive angle on the toe bars. Good luck and thanks for your comment.
@@CarlosMDominguez I bought a 4 inch RC suspension lift kit. It has I beam drop brackets radius arm drop brackets and a pitman arm that drops. Had new tire on yesterday then an alignment. They never did the alignment because I need to tighten some bolts down. Wish I took a video
@@nauidiver227 Sounds like you got it covered as long as your tires look straight when going forward you should be ok. Good luck!
@@CarlosMDominguez did an alignment today last time they refused to do it. I installed 4 inch RC lift 2 months before and the I beam bracket bolts needed tightened up. All I need is new caster bushings because the manufacturer caster only has one way to go in that will fix my tire toe in. After that I should be good. The only thing I had to do to fix tires rubbing going into reverse was tightening the I beam bolts.
@@nauidiver227 I am glad you solved the problem. Good luck, and thanks for the comment.
Thanks for the vídeo. I need help with sistem 1978, it's diferent.
which system do you have? is it a 4X4?
@@CarlosMDominguez No, it's a Ford Econoline 250 1978 Twing i Bean, but, I hace to raise two Inches, to avoid the blow of the tire.
I don't know if it can be aligned
@@hectorromero3418 No adjustment with cams on that one, has king pins. Right? if it does, to adjust camber, the twin I beam axle has to be bent to the right angle with hydraulic ram system special for that purpose. Good luck.
@@CarlosMDominguez Thanks a Lot and great video
Can you speak to the 1980s Ranger adjustment here ? Mine appears to have that adjustable nut thing on the bottom ball joint whereas you say its on the top ball joint . Which is it ? Thanks !
As I indicated on the video description, this video refers to 1990's twin I-beam systems.. I would have to make a different video for those older systems, that were a lot more difficult to adjust and replace the cams, I did a lot of alignments on them, and believe me, I still hate them. Thanks for the comment,
Stay tuned.
@@CarlosMDominguez THATS why we need you brother ! I was scratching my head looking at my 88 Ranger . Im almost tempted to just replace the coils to hopefully correct the problem . Im out about 20 deg ( guessing )
@@CarlosMDominguez Can you describe some instances as to what is hard about this 1988 Ranger ? I notice the adjuster is on the lower ball joint ! How do you get it out ? (my 2nd reply)
@@tonyrandazzoe8210 I have not don one of this in decades, but if I remember correctly, take the lower not completely off, then use an air hammer and hit around the sleeve, (not the sleeve itself) if is very rusted you have to keep hitting around it until the vibration loosens it. Exactly as if you are changing the modern ones. watch my video: th-cam.com/video/hap9qGD2ra4/w-d-xo.html just like that. but since it is upside-down is very hard to do. Good luck guy!!
@@CarlosMDominguez Thank you brother!
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I cut 2 coils out on both sides of my 1989 f150 . I have bad Negative camber will those adjusters help me?
It may not make straight all the way, but it will improve it, try to get the biggest angle cam if camber is way out.
@@CarlosMDominguez thanks Carlos