I have owned siennas for 20 yrs, started with a 2004, rolled it, and walked away, bought a new 2008 drove for 11yrs, 425k miles no tune up, no tranny flush...just alternator kept going out cause i put in autozone parts😢 and air conditioner not strong cause of mouse nesting in cabin filter😅 now I have a 2015 with 140k that gets 20 city and 25 hwy. I moved my house and put a qn matress in back( without 2nd row), filled it with dirt for garden( on a tarp) and fill it with 7 adults for a road trip to vegas. Other than batteries and brakes, no big repairs. Note, get good brakes and rotors as they only get about 60k before warping. Was going to go for hybrid, but after this i this video and comments i will drive my 2015 to 500k this time! Thanks for the video! Siennas rock, its my truck that friend rely on and my car for cruisin.
Whoa whoa whoa there little lady... Did you just say you ONLY took the second row out and still fit a queen mattress between the front seats and third row? Or did you just not say third row too? I'm shocked. Haven't been up close in person yet but I swear, I heard it's comfy and drives good and I see the cool reclining seats and double sunroof and I'm sold! 😅
No way you're getting a queen in there. Queen length, maybe, but less than full-size width. The Sienna is 48" wide on the interior - queen is 60" and full size is 54" and twin XL is 38".
@@MARCELOOLIVEIRA-lg2gvyes. If you have roof rails. The bolts that hold it down gave cheap gaskets. Remove and put gasket maker before re inserting. Video on you tube.
My parents still have the family 98 sienna (OG owners) and still going strong with less than 90k km. I remember delivery day and growing up with it. Honestly I am planning to buy it off of them when I start a family so it can continue in the family and keep well
@@piggy310 that doesn’t surprise me. Toyota engines are rattly especially when cold. The sienna is sometimes. My 2010 Camry with 210k miles is the worst but it’s no problem with the car! 4 cylinders are worse than V6s
@@kiwiinterstates3190 my 20 year old 4cyl Camry has almost 300k and the engine is still amazingly quiet. It's also a simpler design... Having such a vast difference in mileage amd years I can definitely see where Toyota cheapened the interiors and such, the old Camry would pass for a Lexus today if it were new and had modern tech.
We had the new design Sienna (about 2002 or so). I have owned cars at all levels of luxury but to me, this was the best car that I have owned in over 60 years of car ownership experience. It was as spacious as any moving passenger car. We did everything with it and it was flawless for about 6 years when it proved it's real worth. My wife was T-Boned right by the drivers door. She rolled over onto the roof of the car. The Jaws-Of-Life had to be used to extricate her and she was immediately taken to the Emergency Room. When I arrived a few minutes later, the Sate Police were kindly checking up on her and talking to her about how lucky she was to not even have one scratch. Imagine a violent rollover and basically walking away from it. The van was as solid and as safe as it could ever be. No injuries of any kind. My conclusion is that any Sienna is worth a buy. Just get your preference and you will be driving an excellent, reliable and safe car.
The cost of the new hybrid ends up saving the average person zero. Start of covid the sienna hybrid was 34,000. We plan on picking up a used sienna when ours dies. Bought one new with 28 mi, now 204,000 plus. Awesome vans
I test drove several siennas from years 2012-2017 and at 6 ft 3 your knees get crushed in both front seats all the way back. I ended up getting a 2004 Sienna CE with 140,000 miles, has wayyyy more room up front and the center console folds down so the van is completely walk through, only down side I have found is rear drum brakes. But not a deal breaker.
I bought a used 2019 Sienna LE with the last revision of the 3.5L V6 and 8 speed automatic transmission in 2020 and no regrets here. I’ll trade the fuel economy of the hybrid for the solid near bulletproof power train of the last generation Sienna as I plan to drive it til it dies! It’s actually gone up in value since we bought it!
Cool video. We took an Uber to SFO, in a 2013 Sienna, with captain chairs, leather. The ride was unbelievably smooth. I currently own a 2011 Lexus GS AWD, and have owned several v-6 Camry’s. This car was luxe smooth. My Lexus gets between 16.5 to 22 mpg.
Old one every single day. But in a 2020 with the 8 speed and the FKS motor The smooth v6, removable middle seats, class leading cargo space, and the dual opening sunroofs in the limited trim. And 2020 has CarPlay and the safety features
@@smath5841 I thought it did. From what i heard there’s a software update available for 2020 models to retrofit CarPlay. Look up 2020 sienna CarPlay. There’s mentions of it supporting that
New sienna is a class leader and has excellent comfort luxury gas mileage features technology value quality and more. Rest of your comment is fu**k bullshit
BINGO.... I AM ON THE SAME PAGE!!!! i have had a seinna(s) for over 26 years i think. I did not upgrade to the hybrid.. .instead looked for a v6 non-hybrad ... LOVE IT... hate the hybrid ... will not ever buy one. sadly do not make anymore. Like the power of the v6 and do not like the pep of the hybrid. I like to buy another 2019 -2020 non hybrid with low miles to save for when the one i have (2019) dies on me.
I prefer the powertrain and practicality of the 2013. I actually test drove a 2012 XLE with 200k and it was still whisper quiet and zippy going 65mpg which felt like 80 mph. The only thing I like on the '23 is the side and rear design, very Supra-esque. Favorite part of the review was the center console shut test😂 12:38
Do you compare 2013 with 2021 model ? I have Sienna SE 2020. 120 AC is also available on the back, climate control has own screen and nice controls. Touch screen is the same, but mounted inside panel, not ugly protruding from panel ... and "bridge". New hybrid model has no (!) rear bumper. If you are rear-ended rear door is to be damaged. Good luck to realign and repair it ! Middle row seats are not removable ( OK if you have a spare truck at home). Small tiny engine as sole source of power - battery gives you some boost for a short time and to be recharged by the same small engine . Hybrid gives you savings in a city stop-and-go traffic only. I prefer to have my 295 hp available all the time and trusted technology on hands.
Awesome comparison, thank you. I think it’s important to mentioned the biggest talking point, after 10 years you have to replace the hybrid battery which will cost you heavily. While on the v6 model will go 15 plus years no heavy costs
The 10 yr battery thing is questionable. Individual cells can be changed out for cheap. My 2010 prius has 230,000 plus on it, driving gravel, no new battery, no issues
The biggest issue with the 2023 Sienna is actually getting one!!! A friend of mine works for a High Volume dealer and she actually places the orders for the Dealership, she said it could be 3-5 years!!??!! Her Brother ordered one in November 2021 and he still doesn't even know when he will get it!!! She also advised that they have over 500 on order! They were only scheduled to receive less than 10 until the end of August!!??!! It is Plausible that some packages have much longer wait times than others.... but getting a Sienna is a LONG LONG wait!!! My guess is that they are re-tooling the plant preparing for the TX and GH which has pretty much brought Sienna production to a halt. I am currently driving a 2015 Sienna Ltd, it is a nice driving van and gets about 19MPG or 12L/100K. This isn't great fuel economy, but not brutal either. My wifes 2011 CRV gets about 10.5L/100K. I have a TX550H+ on order... hoping to get that within a year or so... maybe wishful thinking, but hopefully not!!
I got one in under a week for $1000 under MSRP by reaching out to a bunch of dealers and finding a rural one with one coming in. Some dealer wanted six grand more with all the add-ons.
We loved our 2004 Sienna XLE Limited. It went over 250k before we sold it to a local person for 1500 and now i wish we had it back. The back seats folded into the floor and you coyld remove the 2nd row captains chairs. The DVD system kept our 4 sons entertained for hours on the road to Indiana,CA ,FL etc. It had plenty of power and all the bells and whistles. Wish i still had it!
I have a 2018 and love it. The 8 speed does search for gears some when stopping and going if your quick on the throttle. You kinda learn what it likes and you won’t notice or just throw it into sport mode and it drives like the 6 speed. I test drove both and wanted the extra amenities available on the 2018 over the 2016.
@@hosseinb82 This pertains to the vans they had on the lot when I was shopping. The 18 has a different front end that makes it look a little more modern as they kept it the same for many years. The 2018 had apple/android car play with the newer touchscreen which isn’t included in older models. I do believe that this was available in higher end trims on the 2016 but not the XLE I test drove, the adaptive cruise, blind spot monitoring, and lane keep assist are on the 2018 XLE. Both are vert solid choices.
I just traded in my rav 4 hybrid top of line 2021 for 2018 sienna SE , freaking out over the decision . Praying I made a good choice . Few of my people are saying it’s ok others are telling me I’m crazy for it
I have a 2017 Limited and I love it! 300hp and I love my dash setup although the screen is smaller than yours. Anyway, glad you love your new baby. Will be great for the fam.
I found confidence in purchasing a used 2016 2GR Highlander with the 6 speed transmission because of its perceived reliability 3 years ago, and I am glad I did. I do dislike the gas mileage, and that may be the only reason to upgrade....to a hybrid 4 cylinder version
:) THANKS for sharing! Got my 2012 used about a year ago, with 40 K Miles, LOVE IT! It is AWD and wanted a Hybrid, UNTIL I SAW THE PRICE AND WAIT TIME :( May be the last vehicle purchase for me as I expect it to last as long as I maintain it.
we bought a brand new 2012 XLE, 75k right now, great power with the V6, OUR A/C WILL FREEZE YOUR BUTT OFF, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REAR ON AT THE SAME TIME, GREAT VAN, SO SMOOTH RIDE. LEATHER, ALL THE FUN STUFF.
I have a 2007 V6 3.5 toyota torago utilma(3rd gen previa)van very reliable and very quick and very luxurious they sold everywhere except for the US i had 1984 toyota van (torago) it died with over half million kilometres and lasted 36 years
Don’t forget the replacement cost for the hybrid battery when it goes bad. I’ve had two hybrids and had to replace two hybrid batteries. Very expensive!
It's too bad you've had such bad luck. I bought a 2008 Prius in 2014 with 96,000 KMs, and it's still going strong with 170,000 KMs--no bad batteries on it yet. I also have a 2012 Prius V with 245,000 KMs, and also never had a bad battery. Only thing that will kill these cars is rust, which I've been religiously sanding off/cut-&-welding whenever I've seen it starting.
New ones come with a 150,000 mile warranty. Also optional lifetime bumper to bumper for 3000$. Drive it until the wheels fall off and Toyota will put them back on.
I have the 2017 SE. In my opinion now that I've seen and learned more about the new Hybrids, I think the 2017 SE is a great balance of both those different models for my family. The V6 in 2017 is 301hp and 267lb/ft torque, sport tuned suspension. On hwy drives, I get 28-30mpg (or 8.4 L/100kms ...we're in Canada). We have the black softex interior with the 8th seat. I love that the middle seats can either both be removed or remove just one or the other. The new hybrid Sienna as ,many above have noted, can't do that. However, we only have usb up front, and the only option for rear seat passenger phone charging would be to plug into the outlet in the hatch area. All that said, it drives great, gas mlg is manageable, great acceleration (especially passing hwy!!!), excellent practicality in removing seats etc. 2017 for the win!!! I almost forgot.....the 2017 over the 2013 for front dash setup and display. We have a much larger and closer screen to use and ot shows good backup camera display! And...far better setup for HVAC controls.
@@trongpham1I'll take all of the advantages of the older models (except only 27 hwy mpg..) better made & pocket the $20,000 difference anytime! Listen & learn from others punk 😉
I have 2005 and 2009 Prius and never have any issues about the batteries or engine the 2005 has over 272,000 miles and 2009 just under 260,000 miles. Love hybrid and thinking about getting one 2025 Sienna
only problem i have w/these newer hybird vans is price. it cost too much..i also don't like that you can't remove center console on the new models...i be keeping my 2011 V6 model
I have a 2007 Sienna with only 222,000 miles on it. Drives and rides as good as when I bought it with a mere 120,000 miles on it. If it ever goes belly up I am buying another similar model for cash. Analog models work fine for me. It is transportation and hauls anything from stuff to people. It is not my home. Best machine ever. Keep it simple. Invest your money in things that go up in value. Drive things that get the job done for what you need. Pay Cash.
The new one lacks bag hooks at the back of first row. On ‘13 limited we have inverter at the back and 2nd row. I hate the bridge!! For the price Toyota need to bring back the 2nd sunroof and power folding 3rd row. Sunglasses holder is a must. Also need at least 12.9” or 14” infotainment screen When will the inventory issue be back to normal.
Hi folks. First,Kirk thanks for taking time and making a video. I live in Norway,and unfortunately 0 models available here. Sienna is not produced for EU market,there a maybe only 20-30 pcs for sale on the web market in whole EU,imported from the US. So I dont have much chances to try a different models. I have tried 2021 model in Germany last summer,and my thoughts are that is underpowered,and just feels a bit cramped,especially in a 3rd row,and claustrofobic with a smaller windows on the back. Also,I have a feeling that a second row is a bit low seating,I am 6'2,and my knees standing qiute high. Can anyone confirm if 2020 is more roomy,especially in a 3rd row? I have a 4 kids,and I need a space. I am aware that older gen uses more gas,and maybe questionable updated 8-speed trans. It is not an easy decision. Currently owe a Prius+ 7 seater, 1.8 hybrid but I will upgrade to Sienna. I love the Toyota hybrids,the problem with Sienna in EU is high cost and lack of power,in my opinion. Greeting to all!
If you’re a hardcore van person then you might not like the current generation but this generation appeals to a much wider audience. I don’t care how good the V6 is, 36mpg combined with 650 miles of range destroys the old powertrain and makes road trips much more enjoyable. Yes the hybrid engine is buzzy and sounds like crap but it’s proven to be very reliable and is fast enough. In terms of the bridge console, I love it, give me 4 cup holders in the middle any day plus it still retains center storage.
Kirk, thanks for doing this. The 2GR is such a better power train than the Sienna hybrid. Yes, there’s a fuel penalty with the V6, but under load the V6 is so much stronger. My AWD SE 2GR was a rocket with premium fuel. I only wish you had raced the two and gave an actual comparison.
I own a 2011 toyota sienna, I love it. But I want to do an update, so I do not know if going with the hybrid or buy the last year they did gasiline engine
I get 19 city and 23 mpg freeway on my 2011 XLE. I'll take your 2013 or my 2011 over the newer model any day. ( PLUS, I have a DVD entertainment system and 8 seats, too. I love mine!!!)
When you mention horsepower numbers, mention torque as well! Torque is arguably more important anyway. A big benefit of hybrids is the torque and the instant torque especially. My hybrid, for example, only has 140 horsepower but 200ft/lbs of torque
The reviews i have heard about the hybrid Sienna about power. Not too bad from a 0-60. But accelerationg from 30-65 can be an issue because it’s using mainly the 4cyl.
My parents’ 2004 Sienna is still running at 300k km despite potentially never changing the 3 inward facing spark plugs for as long as they’ve owned it (off-lease auction vehicle - had it since 2009). Unfortunately the body rust may kill it sooner than the engine dies. My mom refuses to get a new vehicle as this old van has a lot of sentimental value.
@@naveenthemachine naveenthemachine . New sienna has a better interior and exterior design . Comfort luxury gas mileage lots of space and more. New hybrid is miles better than the old overrated and useless v6 . This is 2023 not 2010. Get with the times or just shut up.
@@naveenthemachine new sienna is equally big inside and out just as the old model . New sienna is selling like hot cakes. So again this is 2023 not 2000. World has changed so naveenthemachine dont post dumb comments
@@mylifeislegendary942 no it’s not. The cargo space is significantly less than the old one Behind the 3rd row: 2016 sienna - 40 cubic feet 2023 sienna - 33 cubic feet Behind 2nd row with the seats all the way back: 2016 - 88 cubic feet 2023 - 75 cubic feet Behind 2nd row with the seats all the way forward: 2016 - 110 cubic feet 2023 - 100 cubic feet Max cargo volume with the middle seats taken out: 2016 - 150 cubic feet 2023 - 100 cubic feet since the middle seats don’t come out
@@naveenthemachine NAVEENTHEMACHINE . FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. NONE OF The NUMBERS MATTER . Because THE NEW SIENNA IS A Very BIG VEHICLE INSIDE And OUT REGARDLESS . SALES SHOW PEOPLE HAS NO PROBLEM INTERMS OF ULTRA LESS AMOUNT OF SPACE COMPARED TO THE OLD VERSION . SO NUMBERS Dont TELL THE FULL STORY GOT IT CHAMP.
It really is not a lot of work and you really can’t screw it up. You don’t have to cut or modify any of the factory wires to install an aftermarket headunit
Where did you have it done. Have a 2015 XLE with blind spot monitors, and cross traffic alert. 2015 might have been the first yr they installed those. But no Apple car play. Thats the only thing i wish i have.
I did it myself. But places like Best Buy offer installation. It’s not difficult to install an aftermarket headunit. If you want to do it yourself use crutchfield (look em up) they make it easy and plug and play
I have 2019 and just want to trade in 2024 today. But when I try to drive and Know it’s V4 hybrid so I feel disappointed. After driving I really don’t want to trade . Now I saw a lot of people like to keep the old one. I’m happy to not trade today 😅
Life is way easier with a sliding door. Good luck getting your kids in the highlander. Will never understand the mindset of people when they struggle to get doors open and get their kids in a cuv vs a van that makes everything easier.
My 2007 was not reliable! I had it since 2018 and it had a head gasket leak, timing cover leak and oil pan gasket leak. I got rid of it with 168k miles on it
I have a 2018 (v6) AWD and I get over 20MPG combined. I consistently get 26+ on a highway trip. I don’t feel like the AWD is hurting me all that much. Maybe the newer trans does a little better than the 6 speed?
I would much prefer a new one, but I can't see spending $50k on a minivan. I can get a nice used one for half the price. Even with the gas savings of a new one, it would take YEARS to recoup $25k.
C’mon man! All these kick sensors and push button door openers are making our kids soft. I’ll be back in a sec, I gotta yell at this cloud passing by...like I was sayin’, these new vehicles are way too convenient :( Great video!
My 2022 sienna XLE AWD was the most amazing vehicle I ever had as far as size/comfort/mpg. Also owned 04 f150, 92 f250, first and second gen sequoia, 2022 rav4 XSE, 2022 RAV4 XLE gas, 08 loaded Camry XLE v6, Subaru legacy (trash), 2007 Silverado LTZ Z71, and a 08 Corolla S manual.
That huge space sucking center council and honestly the big screen rising above the dashboard line are the biggest turn-off's to me buying the latest Sienna's. Shouldn't have to be assimilated by the Borg to drive one's vehicle. lol I think I'll hang onto my very much aging but well maintained 2007 for a while longer. It get's an average of 28 MPG highway. Not bad for the 3.5 V6. I like the breathable wide open airy-ness and simple controls without all the unnecessary clap trap. I like the fact I can attend to the kids in the rear seats without having to get outside the vehicle in the rain or snow. I like that one can still remove the center row seats an get a massive amount of cargo room for those trips to the hardware store or a new couch or something. I buy a van because I want a van. Not a van trying to identify as a car.
How come nobody mentions the same v6 in the sienns alos the powers they Camry that weighs over 1,000 less, and that's before you add passengers to the sienna.
One of the main keys is just avoid having the kids eat in the vehicle. For a road trip sure, it's to be expected. Then just clean it out afterward. On most occasions it's never necessary to eat inside the vehicle. Eat in the restaurant or take the kids to the park and eat there. Majority of nastiness in a vehicle is from food mess. In addition to this I just give my van a once over with the vacuum and a rag once a week or so and it stays very nice. Take a little glass cleaner to the windows once in a while too. Nasty mess like that just bugs me. Nobody, not even kids want to sit on stained dirty nasty seats with rotting food particles. I get that some parents have very busy working lives and limited time spans to spend quality time with their kids. Thus cleaning often takes a back seat to other priorities. It's understandable on some level. Still at some point it's time to clean it up or it just becomes super nasty.
Just look the difference between the old and new one how many electronics and wires parts the new one has.. I Steel with my 2014 xle 8 passengers V6 3.5 with 114k miles and cero problems
I have owned siennas for 20 yrs, started with a 2004, rolled it, and walked away, bought a new 2008 drove for 11yrs, 425k miles no tune up, no tranny flush...just alternator kept going out cause i put in autozone parts😢 and air conditioner not strong cause of mouse nesting in cabin filter😅 now I have a 2015 with 140k that gets 20 city and 25 hwy. I moved my house and put a qn matress in back( without 2nd row), filled it with dirt for garden( on a tarp) and fill it with 7 adults for a road trip to vegas. Other than batteries and brakes, no big repairs. Note, get good brakes and rotors as they only get about 60k before warping. Was going to go for hybrid, but after this i this video and comments i will drive my 2015 to 500k this time! Thanks for the video! Siennas rock, its my truck that friend rely on and my car for cruisin.
Whoa whoa whoa there little lady... Did you just say you ONLY took the second row out and still fit a queen mattress between the front seats and third row? Or did you just not say third row too? I'm shocked. Haven't been up close in person yet but I swear, I heard it's comfy and drives good and I see the cool reclining seats and double sunroof and I'm sold! 😅
No way you're getting a queen in there. Queen length, maybe, but less than full-size width. The Sienna is 48" wide on the interior - queen is 60" and full size is 54" and twin XL is 38".
I got my 2015 used with 200k miles .. any leaking issues ??
@@MARCELOOLIVEIRA-lg2gvyes. If you have roof rails. The bolts that hold it down gave cheap gaskets. Remove and put gasket maker before re inserting. Video on you tube.
My parents still have the family 98 sienna (OG owners) and still going strong with less than 90k km. I remember delivery day and growing up with it. Honestly I am planning to buy it off of them when I start a family so it can continue in the family and keep well
Only 90k KM?
Cool story
90k aint shit lol
Our 2012 Sienna XLE V6 has 340,000 miles and is still daily driven with zero issues. I love it. This one has a loooong way to go.
Wow. Original owner?
@@piggy310 yes we are the original owners. Bought it November 2011 in greensboro, nc.
@@kiwiinterstates3190 I have a 2015 with only 20k miles..do you find the engine rattley and generally noisy?
@@piggy310 that doesn’t surprise me. Toyota engines are rattly especially when cold. The sienna is sometimes. My 2010 Camry with 210k miles is the worst but it’s no problem with the car! 4 cylinders are worse than V6s
@@kiwiinterstates3190 my 20 year old 4cyl Camry has almost 300k and the engine is still amazingly quiet. It's also a simpler design... Having such a vast difference in mileage amd years I can definitely see where Toyota cheapened the interiors and such, the old Camry would pass for a Lexus today if it were new and had modern tech.
Kirk is the coolest dad reviewing the coolest minivans.
We had the new design Sienna (about 2002 or so). I have owned cars at all levels of luxury but to me, this was the best car that I have owned in over 60 years of car ownership experience. It was as spacious as any moving passenger car. We did everything with it and it was flawless for about 6 years when it proved it's real worth. My wife was T-Boned right by the drivers door. She rolled over onto the roof of the car. The Jaws-Of-Life had to be used to extricate her and she was immediately taken to the Emergency Room. When I arrived a few minutes later, the Sate Police were kindly checking up on her and talking to her about how lucky she was to not even have one scratch. Imagine a violent rollover and basically walking away from it. The van was as solid and as safe as it could ever be. No injuries of any kind. My conclusion is that any Sienna is worth a buy. Just get your preference and you will be driving an excellent, reliable and safe car.
Older vans are better cause you can remove seats 3rd row and 2nd row seats and older vans honestly come with more room!
The cost of the new hybrid ends up saving the average person zero. Start of covid the sienna hybrid was 34,000.
We plan on picking up a used sienna when ours dies. Bought one new with 28 mi, now 204,000 plus. Awesome vans
@charlieterzano4833 sorry but the V6 get the same MPGs with a V6 with a hybrid in it instead of with a shity ass 4-cylinder engine.
Yeah when test driving the hybrid I immediately felt that it was smaller in every single seat. Bummed
@@charlieterzano4833I think they're closer to 45k now. It's tough to justify the mpg savings when you have a 1,000 a month car payment.
cheaper insurance too.
unless you’re really driving a ton of miles ..
older Sienna ( gas consumption )should be sufficient
V6 hands down. Unlike the new one, old one comes with a removable 2nd row, the unremovability of the new 2nd row is a dealbreaker
And the old one has significantly more cargo space
It seems roomier in general too.
Can sheetrock be installed in the sienna?
Edit: in the old one?
i need to remove back row that's where i have my dates w/hookers
Yes 4x8' with the front seat all the way forward.@@lionintu
I have a 2022 XSE. Basically, it’s a giant Prius (up to 42mpg) that can pull my 16’ boat effortlessly. It’s the ultimate vehicle.
I see it as a Prius V+++ crazy good economy
Minivans are underrated.
yes!
I test drove several siennas from years 2012-2017 and at 6 ft 3 your knees get crushed in both front seats all the way back. I ended up getting a 2004 Sienna CE with 140,000 miles, has wayyyy more room up front and the center console folds down so the van is completely walk through, only down side I have found is rear drum brakes. But not a deal breaker.
I bought a used 2019 Sienna LE with the last revision of the 3.5L V6 and 8 speed automatic transmission in 2020 and no regrets here. I’ll trade the fuel economy of the hybrid for the solid near bulletproof power train of the last generation Sienna as I plan to drive it til it dies! It’s actually gone up in value since we bought it!
My dad have 2023 Sienna XSE
What will you drive once the 2019 Sienna is gone?
@@faheemabbas3965 Don't know. Ask me in 15 years or more!😏
2011 Sienna LE AWD 178,000. Still running strong, no issues. AWD is amazing in the snow…
I've seen Sienna's with half a freaking million miles that were still running like a sewing machine. Toyota doesn't F around with their vans, ever.
I love my '13 Sienna. We've had it 7 years with 4 kiddos, a family of six!😊❤️
Cool video.
We took an Uber to SFO, in a 2013 Sienna, with captain chairs, leather.
The ride was unbelievably smooth. I currently own a 2011 Lexus GS AWD, and have owned several v-6 Camry’s.
This car was luxe smooth. My Lexus gets between 16.5 to 22 mpg.
Old one every single day. But in a 2020 with the 8 speed and the FKS motor
The smooth v6, removable middle seats, class leading cargo space, and the dual opening sunroofs in the limited trim. And 2020 has CarPlay and the safety features
we had one but we ddint like the mpgs it got lol
fun to scare my parents getting up to 80mph
automatic sucked ass though
Was yours w the 6 or 8 speed
2020 did not have CarPlay unfortunately
@@smath5841 I thought it did. From what i heard there’s a software update available for 2020 models to retrofit CarPlay. Look up 2020 sienna CarPlay. There’s mentions of it supporting that
New sienna is a class leader and has excellent comfort luxury gas mileage features technology value quality and more. Rest of your comment is fu**k bullshit
We have a 2017 Limited Sienna. Drove a 2023 hybrid Sienna. Hands down we are keeping the 2017 Limited. Way better.
BINGO.... I AM ON THE SAME PAGE!!!! i have had a seinna(s) for over 26 years i think. I did not upgrade to the hybrid.. .instead looked for a v6 non-hybrad ... LOVE IT... hate the hybrid ... will not ever buy one. sadly do not make anymore. Like the power of the v6 and do not like the pep of the hybrid. I like to buy another 2019 -2020 non hybrid with low miles to save for when the one i have (2019) dies on me.
I prefer the powertrain and practicality of the 2013. I actually test drove a 2012 XLE with 200k and it was still whisper quiet and zippy going 65mpg which felt like 80 mph. The only thing I like on the '23 is the side and rear design, very Supra-esque. Favorite part of the review was the center console shut test😂 12:38
Do you compare 2013 with 2021 model ? I have Sienna SE 2020. 120 AC is also available on the back, climate control has own screen and nice controls. Touch screen is the same, but mounted inside panel, not ugly protruding from panel ... and "bridge". New hybrid model has no (!) rear bumper. If you are rear-ended rear door is to be damaged. Good luck to realign and repair it ! Middle row seats are not removable ( OK if you have a spare truck at home). Small tiny engine as sole source of power - battery gives you some boost for a short time and to be recharged by the same small engine . Hybrid gives you savings in a city stop-and-go traffic only. I prefer to have my 295 hp available all the time and trusted technology on hands.
Awesome comparison, thank you. I think it’s important to mentioned the biggest talking point, after 10 years you have to replace the hybrid battery which will cost you heavily. While on the v6 model will go 15 plus years no heavy costs
The 10 yr battery thing is questionable. Individual cells can be changed out for cheap. My 2010 prius has 230,000 plus on it, driving gravel, no new battery, no issues
The biggest issue with the 2023 Sienna is actually getting one!!! A friend of mine works for a High Volume dealer and she actually places the orders for the Dealership, she said it could be 3-5 years!!??!! Her Brother ordered one in November 2021 and he still doesn't even know when he will get it!!! She also advised that they have over 500 on order! They were only scheduled to receive less than 10 until the end of August!!??!! It is Plausible that some packages have much longer wait times than others.... but getting a Sienna is a LONG LONG wait!!! My guess is that they are re-tooling the plant preparing for the TX and GH which has pretty much brought Sienna production to a halt.
I am currently driving a 2015 Sienna Ltd, it is a nice driving van and gets about 19MPG or 12L/100K. This isn't great fuel economy, but not brutal either. My wifes 2011 CRV gets about 10.5L/100K.
I have a TX550H+ on order... hoping to get that within a year or so... maybe wishful thinking, but hopefully not!!
I got one in under a week for $1000 under MSRP by reaching out to a bunch of dealers and finding a rural one with one coming in. Some dealer wanted six grand more with all the add-ons.
We loved our 2004 Sienna XLE Limited. It went over 250k before we sold it to a local person for 1500 and now i wish we had it back. The back seats folded into the floor and you coyld remove the 2nd row captains chairs. The DVD system kept our 4 sons entertained for hours on the road to Indiana,CA ,FL etc. It had plenty of power and all the bells and whistles. Wish i still had it!
I have a 2018 and love it. The 8 speed does search for gears some when stopping and going if your quick on the throttle. You kinda learn what it likes and you won’t notice or just throw it into sport mode and it drives like the 6 speed. I test drove both and wanted the extra amenities available on the 2018 over the 2016.
would you please tell about what extra ameneties cause you prefere 2018 to 2016?
@@hosseinb82 This pertains to the vans they had on the lot when I was shopping. The 18 has a different front end that makes it look a little more modern as they kept it the same for many years. The 2018 had apple/android car play with the newer touchscreen which isn’t included in older models. I do believe that this was available in higher end trims on the 2016 but not the XLE I test drove, the adaptive cruise, blind spot monitoring, and lane keep assist are on the 2018 XLE. Both are vert solid choices.
I just traded in my rav 4 hybrid top of line 2021 for 2018 sienna SE , freaking out over the decision . Praying I made a good choice . Few of my people are saying it’s ok others are telling me I’m crazy for it
main family car (2013 Toyota Sienna XLE, 42,824 miles)
That’s all?! My 2012 is rolling in at 149,000!
I have a 2017 Limited and I love it! 300hp and I love my dash setup although the screen is smaller than yours. Anyway, glad you love your new baby. Will be great for the fam.
Just the video I needed
I found confidence in purchasing a used 2016 2GR Highlander with the 6 speed transmission because of its perceived reliability 3 years ago, and I am glad I did. I do dislike the gas mileage, and that may be the only reason to upgrade....to a hybrid 4 cylinder version
Yesiirrrrrr let’s gooo. Sienna rules 🙌
Only about to hit 43k miles on a 2013 that’s a steal‼️I know that V6 is barely getting broken in 🔥🔥🔥 I know it purs on the highway!!
:) THANKS for sharing! Got my 2012 used about a year ago, with 40 K Miles, LOVE IT! It is AWD and wanted a Hybrid, UNTIL I SAW THE PRICE AND WAIT TIME :( May be the last vehicle purchase for me as I expect it to last as long as I maintain it.
we bought a brand new 2012 XLE, 75k right now, great power with the V6, OUR A/C WILL FREEZE YOUR BUTT
OFF, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REAR ON AT THE SAME TIME, GREAT VAN, SO SMOOTH RIDE. LEATHER, ALL THE FUN STUFF.
I have a 2007 V6 3.5 toyota torago utilma(3rd gen previa)van very reliable and very quick and very luxurious they sold everywhere except for the US i had 1984 toyota van (torago) it died with over half million kilometres and lasted 36 years
I just picked up a '12 Limited. AWD. V6. 119K miles. It's a great grocery getter and road trip vehicle.
Don’t forget the replacement cost for the hybrid battery when it goes bad. I’ve had two hybrids and had to replace two hybrid batteries. Very expensive!
It's too bad you've had such bad luck. I bought a 2008 Prius in 2014 with 96,000 KMs, and it's still going strong with 170,000 KMs--no bad batteries on it yet. I also have a 2012 Prius V with 245,000 KMs, and also never had a bad battery. Only thing that will kill these cars is rust, which I've been religiously sanding off/cut-&-welding whenever I've seen it starting.
New ones come with a 150,000 mile warranty. Also optional lifetime bumper to bumper for 3000$. Drive it until the wheels fall off and Toyota will put them back on.
I have the 2017 SE. In my opinion now that I've seen and learned more about the new Hybrids, I think the 2017 SE is a great balance of both those different models for my family. The V6 in 2017 is 301hp and 267lb/ft torque, sport tuned suspension. On hwy drives, I get 28-30mpg (or 8.4 L/100kms ...we're in Canada). We have the black softex interior with the 8th seat. I love that the middle seats can either both be removed or remove just one or the other. The new hybrid Sienna as ,many above have noted, can't do that. However, we only have usb up front, and the only option for rear seat passenger phone charging would be to plug into the outlet in the hatch area. All that said, it drives great, gas mlg is manageable, great acceleration (especially passing hwy!!!), excellent practicality in removing seats etc. 2017 for the win!!! I almost forgot.....the 2017 over the 2013 for front dash setup and display. We have a much larger and closer screen to use and ot shows good backup camera display! And...far better setup for HVAC controls.
U talk to much and my Dad have brand new 2023 Toyota sienna XSE hybrid FWD
@@trongpham1I'll take all of the advantages of the older models (except only 27 hwy mpg..) better made & pocket the $20,000 difference anytime!
Listen & learn from others punk 😉
@@trongpham1 in 15 years your dad would need new HB battery. Old models owners don’t need to spend for that.
I have 2005 and 2009 Prius and never have any issues about the batteries or engine the 2005 has over 272,000 miles and 2009 just under 260,000 miles. Love hybrid and thinking about getting one 2025 Sienna
I have a 2017 Toyota Sienna XLE premium with 51000 miles. I will keep it.
only problem i have w/these newer hybird vans is price. it cost too much..i also don't like that you can't remove center console on the new models...i be keeping my 2011 V6 model
A 4 cylinder engine in a van no way, I will keep my 2016 Sienna thank you very much
My parents have a 2016 and it’s the best model year cause of the interior redesign
I also have a 2016 Sienna and I luv it
2013 Toyota Sienna XLE, 42,824 miles
Kirk, do you ever think that Toyota would put the 2.4T in the Sienna? If not the 2.4T with the plug in hybrid?
No turbo for sienna, but PHEV is inevitable
The hybrid is fantastic. 36 mpg rating (I average around 39), smooth except under hard acceleration, a proven design that should last.
I have a 2007 Sienna with only 222,000 miles on it. Drives and rides as good as when I bought it with a mere 120,000 miles on it. If it ever goes belly up I am buying another similar model for cash. Analog models work fine for me. It is transportation and hauls anything from stuff to people. It is not my home. Best machine ever. Keep it simple. Invest your money in things that go up in value. Drive things that get the job done for what you need. Pay Cash.
My 2013 has parking sensors and all types of fancy modern things you find in newer cars. i love everything except the gas efficiency. LOL. no regrets.
Love the Sienna 😁
Although 2013 is just a bit faster 0-60, which one has better pickup 0-30?
Thx Kirk.
What is the dvd player that you put in? And how did you mount it to the top?
The new one lacks bag hooks at the back of first row. On ‘13 limited we have inverter at the back and 2nd row. I hate the bridge!! For the price Toyota need to bring back the 2nd sunroof and power folding 3rd row. Sunglasses holder is a must. Also need at least 12.9” or 14” infotainment screen
When will the inventory issue be back to normal.
What about the power? We regularly drive our Sienna up a 5000’ vertical change and it’s never hurting for power, does the hybrid got the juice?
Most people I've heard who've had the hybrid have said it feels like a slow v6, but it accelerates great, just slightly more sluggish
Cool!
2017 Sienna SE.
Any ideas for a good trunk cargo storage net or hammock? Need a plan to secure large water jugs and groceries from tipping.
My 2015 has a complety different dash than your 2013..the steering wheel is also black.
Hi folks. First,Kirk thanks for taking time and making a video. I live in Norway,and unfortunately 0 models available here. Sienna is not produced for EU market,there a maybe only 20-30 pcs for sale on the web market in whole EU,imported from the US. So I dont have much chances to try a different models.
I have tried 2021 model in Germany last summer,and my thoughts are that is underpowered,and just feels a bit cramped,especially in a 3rd row,and claustrofobic with a smaller windows on the back. Also,I have a feeling that a second row is a bit low seating,I am 6'2,and my knees standing qiute high. Can anyone confirm if 2020 is more roomy,especially in a 3rd row? I have a 4 kids,and I need a space. I am aware that older gen uses more gas,and maybe questionable updated 8-speed trans. It is not an easy decision. Currently owe a Prius+ 7 seater, 1.8 hybrid but I will upgrade to Sienna. I love the Toyota hybrids,the problem with Sienna in EU is high cost and lack of power,in my opinion.
Greeting to all!
How did you keep the headlight lenses so clear? They usually develop cataracts after they clearcoat wears out.
Kirk, any hints on when a refresh might happen on the new Sienna?
Wow your van is pretty clean compared to my wife’s van. I got a 24 RAV4 TRD off road. After a 16 Corolla S
If you’re a hardcore van person then you might not like the current generation but this generation appeals to a much wider audience. I don’t care how good the V6 is, 36mpg combined with 650 miles of range destroys the old powertrain and makes road trips much more enjoyable. Yes the hybrid engine is buzzy and sounds like crap but it’s proven to be very reliable and is fast enough. In terms of the bridge console, I love it, give me 4 cup holders in the middle any day plus it still retains center storage.
Kirk, thanks for doing this. The 2GR is such a better power train than the Sienna hybrid. Yes, there’s a fuel penalty with the V6, but under load the V6 is so much stronger. My AWD SE 2GR was a rocket with premium fuel.
I only wish you had raced the two and gave an actual comparison.
I own a 2011 toyota sienna, I love it. But I want to do an update, so I do not know if going with the hybrid or buy the last year they did gasiline engine
My dad have 2023 Toyota sienna
I appreciate my 2013 Toyota Sienna Limited AWD
I get 19 city and 23 mpg freeway on my 2011 XLE. I'll take your 2013 or my 2011 over the newer model any day. ( PLUS, I have a DVD entertainment system and 8 seats, too. I love mine!!!)
How do you only have 40k miles on your van?! I’m assuming it’s because you all use the press vehicles when you have them?
When did you get swap the Gen 2 for the Gen 3 Sienna?
When you mention horsepower numbers, mention torque as well! Torque is arguably more important anyway. A big benefit of hybrids is the torque and the instant torque especially. My hybrid, for example, only has 140 horsepower but 200ft/lbs of torque
The reviews i have heard about the hybrid Sienna about power. Not too bad from a 0-60. But accelerationg from 30-65 can be an issue because it’s using mainly the 4cyl.
My parents’ 2004 Sienna is still running at 300k km despite potentially never changing the 3 inward facing spark plugs for as long as they’ve owned it (off-lease auction vehicle - had it since 2009). Unfortunately the body rust may kill it sooner than the engine dies.
My mom refuses to get a new vehicle as this old van has a lot of sentimental value.
New sienna is a class leader and simply fantastic . Obviously there will be some haters and trolls thats ok
In mpg maybe but the old sienna has a lot more space inside and the middle seats come out. And the v6 is a lot smoother than the 4 cylinder
@@naveenthemachine naveenthemachine . New sienna has a better interior and exterior design . Comfort luxury gas mileage lots of space and more. New hybrid is miles better than the old overrated and useless v6 . This is 2023 not 2010. Get with the times or just shut up.
@@naveenthemachine new sienna is equally big inside and out just as the old model . New sienna is selling like hot cakes. So again this is 2023 not 2000. World has changed so naveenthemachine dont post dumb comments
@@mylifeislegendary942 no it’s not. The cargo space is significantly less than the old one
Behind the 3rd row:
2016 sienna - 40 cubic feet
2023 sienna - 33 cubic feet
Behind 2nd row with the seats all the way back:
2016 - 88 cubic feet
2023 - 75 cubic feet
Behind 2nd row with the seats all the way forward:
2016 - 110 cubic feet
2023 - 100 cubic feet
Max cargo volume with the middle seats taken out:
2016 - 150 cubic feet
2023 - 100 cubic feet since the middle seats don’t come out
@@naveenthemachine NAVEENTHEMACHINE . FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. NONE OF The NUMBERS MATTER . Because THE NEW SIENNA IS A Very BIG VEHICLE INSIDE And OUT REGARDLESS . SALES SHOW PEOPLE HAS NO PROBLEM INTERMS OF ULTRA LESS AMOUNT OF SPACE COMPARED TO THE OLD VERSION . SO NUMBERS Dont TELL THE FULL STORY GOT IT CHAMP.
You can easily get Apple CarPlay/android auto (and even wireless) on your Sienna with an aftermarket headunit. Easy to change out.
But it’s a lot of work and it is possible to screw up and then cause more problems
It really is not a lot of work and you really can’t screw it up. You don’t have to cut or modify any of the factory wires to install an aftermarket headunit
Where did you have it done. Have a 2015 XLE with blind spot monitors, and cross traffic alert. 2015 might have been the first yr they installed those. But no Apple car play. Thats the only thing i wish i have.
I did it myself. But places like Best Buy offer installation. It’s not difficult to install an aftermarket headunit. If you want to do it yourself use crutchfield (look em up) they make it easy and plug and play
I went for a used 2019. I did not want hybrid. Glad I got the v6
I have 2019 and just want to trade in 2024 today. But when I try to drive and Know it’s V4 hybrid so I feel disappointed. After driving I really don’t want to trade .
Now I saw a lot of people like to keep the old one. I’m happy to not trade today 😅
On the New Sienna, Do the 2nd row windows roll down? Do the Rear side windows tilt out?
the 2013 naturally aspirated is nice. the new one is nice but look at how much you have to shell out 💰 i can buy a lot off gas with $22,000 😊
This is the question I am facing with my fully loaded platinum '20 v6 Highlander vs the Grand Highlander Hybrid.
Why not get a 2020 sienna v6 limited? That’s a good balance imo of space and the smooth v6
Life is way easier with a sliding door. Good luck getting your kids in the highlander. Will never understand the mindset of people when they struggle to get doors open and get their kids in a cuv vs a van that makes everything easier.
@@Anomize23sliding doors when they break, expensive to fix
My 2007 was not reliable!
I had it since 2018 and it had a head gasket leak, timing cover leak and oil pan gasket leak. I got rid of it with 168k miles on it
I have a 2018 (v6) AWD and I get over 20MPG combined. I consistently get 26+ on a highway trip. I don’t feel like the AWD is hurting me all that much. Maybe the newer trans does a little better than the 6 speed?
Yes the 8 speed highway is better
I have a 2004 XLE with over 235k miles. Driven cross country twice. Great van
I cant belive the 2013 looks like the same as my dads 2016
I would much prefer a new one, but I can't see spending $50k on a minivan. I can get a nice used one for half the price. Even with the gas savings of a new one, it would take YEARS to recoup $25k.
Where did you buy the dvd player and the roof monitor,pls send me link,thanks
We like the bridge. The lower button on the rear doors work great for our kids to close the doors.
Should I "randomly" put "quotation marks" around words to "set them apart" or does it "demonstrate" that I don't know "what they are?"
The non-removable second row is a bummer. This should have the same powertrain as the TX 550h+ PHEV V6 hybrid.
40k thats it? why get a new one lol
I get the V6 all day! 3.3L or 3.5L!!
C’mon man! All these kick sensors and push button door openers are making our kids soft. I’ll be back in a sec, I gotta yell at this cloud passing by...like I was sayin’, these new vehicles are way too convenient :( Great video!
My 2022 sienna XLE AWD was the most amazing vehicle I ever had as far as size/comfort/mpg.
Also owned 04 f150, 92 f250, first and second gen sequoia, 2022 rav4 XSE, 2022 RAV4 XLE gas, 08 loaded Camry XLE v6, Subaru legacy (trash), 2007 Silverado LTZ Z71, and a 08 Corolla S manual.
My Dad have 2023 sienna XSE FWD it was nice car
That huge space sucking center council and honestly the big screen rising above the dashboard line are the biggest turn-off's to me buying the latest Sienna's. Shouldn't have to be assimilated by the Borg to drive one's vehicle. lol I think I'll hang onto my very much aging but well maintained 2007 for a while longer. It get's an average of 28 MPG highway. Not bad for the 3.5 V6. I like the breathable wide open airy-ness and simple controls without all the unnecessary clap trap. I like the fact I can attend to the kids in the rear seats without having to get outside the vehicle in the rain or snow. I like that one can still remove the center row seats an get a massive amount of cargo room for those trips to the hardware store or a new couch or something. I buy a van because I want a van. Not a van trying to identify as a car.
I have the 2022 Sienna, never going back to none hyrbrid.
How come nobody mentions the same v6 in the sienns alos the powers they Camry that weighs over 1,000 less, and that's before you add passengers to the sienna.
My Dad have brand new 2023 Toyota sienna hybrid XSE FWD
If i was buying a van in 2020 i would grab the old before out of stock
Dude, clean out your van. I have 4 kids and my van is spotless. The trick is to address messes right away and make the kids clean it up if old enough.
Mind your business
One of the main keys is just avoid having the kids eat in the vehicle. For a road trip sure, it's to be expected. Then just clean it out afterward. On most occasions it's never necessary to eat inside the vehicle. Eat in the restaurant or take the kids to the park and eat there. Majority of nastiness in a vehicle is from food mess. In addition to this I just give my van a once over with the vacuum and a rag once a week or so and it stays very nice. Take a little glass cleaner to the windows once in a while too. Nasty mess like that just bugs me. Nobody, not even kids want to sit on stained dirty nasty seats with rotting food particles. I get that some parents have very busy working lives and limited time spans to spend quality time with their kids. Thus cleaning often takes a back seat to other priorities. It's understandable on some level. Still at some point it's time to clean it up or it just becomes super nasty.
We had rules. No eating in the cars. Problems solved.
Love your reviews! Don't like the large grill on the new Sienna.
I was shocked I beat a 2020 dodge charger GT on a straight light with my well kept 2013 sienna. 😮😅
thanks 🙏
this just help me decide on a 3rd row car/suv when we all need to go out together 👍
( vs all overpriced new ones )
Looking to buy a 2021 sienna on a super good deal, do you think 126,000 miles is too much for 24,000?
I don't like the touchscreen in the newer one why isn't it integrated into the dash?
The old car is the 2013 Toyota Sienna, and the new car is the 2023 Toyota Sienna.
Just look the difference between the old and new one how many electronics and wires parts the new one has.. I Steel with my 2014 xle 8 passengers V6 3.5 with 114k miles and cero problems
Old car 2013 Toyota Sienna vs new car 2023 Toyota Sienna.
I see you are only getting 29.4 mpg… same here I drive very carefully and am only getting 30-32
I’m waiting for a plug-in hybrid Sienna model, until then i’m buying a used v6 Sienna.