Can this 35 year old MAX-Prop be saved?! - E022
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.พ. 2024
- Let’s see if the folks at PYI Inc. can restore and refurbish this 35 year old MAX-PROP Classic!
PYI Inc. has been the sole distributor for the MAX-PROP in North/South America and Asia since it was founded in 1981.
PYI also operates the only official world-wide refurbishment operation for ALL of the MAX-PROPS ever made since 1972.
We take a trip to their Office/Showroom/Warehouse/Production Facility/Custom Machine Shop (They really do it all here!) to see if we can squeeze some more years out of this old bronze propeller.
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Huge thanks to Fred at PYI for hosting us, sharing his knowledge, and touring us around the facility. Of course, another big thank you to Jerome for getting the careful work done behind the scenes - you are a true MASTER. To everyone else at PYI, thanks for letting us crash the facility. Keep up the great work!!
Thank you!!!
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How many years/hours/nautical miles are on your MAX-Prop? Have you ever had yours refurbished? Let's hear your stories!
I'll start... We had 35 years and somewhere between 4,000 - 6500 engine hours depending on which hour meter you choose to believe. After the refurbishment, it is difficult to believe that it isn't a brand new propeller...
I bought a 1984 Nordic 44, 3600 hrs on the original engine, and had gone through a 5 year Caribbean cruise with the previous owner. The Maxprop was on the boat when they purchased it in the 90's, and I also had the single hole on the shaft nut, so similar vintage. (looks exactly like yours internally) I shipped it back and received a beautiful, like new prop for under $1000 as well. It is serving me well currently!
@@gymcoachdon that is awesome! Thanks for sharing! 🙏🙌
I'm attempting to prepare my little boat for long distance solo ventures into the southern ocean, but unlike yourself my technical skills are more than a little challenged. But a modest budget means I have to DIY so learning via your vids has been very useful, so thank you. What I have noticed is how much care you put into the production of your vids. I don't mean to piss into your pocket too much but they are really good quality.
Haha. Thank you! That sounds like a great adventure! I wish you all the best!
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Another great video! You're a really good storyteller and instructor. I got a chuckle out of your coat joke. Plaid-on-plaid... love it!
Thanks for the feedback. 🙏 I appreciate that. Glad that you got the jacket joke. 😁
Great .. so .. #Propspeed is the best on the market. I'm getting 18months to 2 years with "NO" fouling at all. Amazing!! Well worth the effort.
Yeah. That’s a great way to protect the investment. Thanks for the input! 🙏🙌👍
Love that old navy yard lathe.
Right?! So cool.
It always amazed me what some people can do with a machine tool they know from top to bottom. Does not matter if it is mechanical or CNC. Mix that with decades of experience with the product, and many times it is better than new. It's tough to inspect that type of quality into a production line.
Yeah. It’s pretty amazing what they do on that old lathe! 🙌👍
I have a 16" 3-blade Max-Prop with a moderate amount of play in the blades. I am aware of the PYI refurbishing service, but have seen some high prices. I had considered the alternative of eventually replacing with a new Max-Prop Easy or a new Featherstream (as good but less expensive). I had not been able to find a good explanation of this PYI refurbishing service, but now we have it! Thank you John.
Essentially there are two areas of wear: (1) the mating gear teeth on the cone and each blade, resulting in rotational play; & (2) the mating surfaces between the spacer and each blade, resulting in lateral play. PYI can mitigate much of that wear by replacing the cone gear and spacer. If that does not replace sufficient worn material, the blades may need to be replaced as well - significantly driving up the price.
It seems to me that a simple DIY way to reduce the lateral play could be the insertion of a thin bronze shim between each spacer face and blade face - thereby pressing the back of each blade gear snug against its bearing surface. After measuring the gaps between spacer & blade surfaces with a feeler gauge (when partly assembled) it should be possible to have a machine shop prepare the appropriate shims from bronze sheet (McMaster-Carr 0.016", 0.02", 0.25", 0.032").
I’m happy that we could shed a. It of light on the process! Every prop will be different. Excessive rotational play could mean new blades and $$$$ but the retail cost of my repair at $1k for parts and labor is a really good investment towards another 10-15 years of reliable service.
I don’t see why a self sufficient person couldn’t employ some of these methods in the home shop as you mentioned. It all comes down to time and money 😁.
For 30 years those years looked pretty good
Yeah. I guess it was pretty well cared for after all… 👍
Oh John, how we all love a field trip and you haven't disappointed. What a difference in the before and after in your prop. It looks great and as you stated should give you many trouble free years of service. Cheers!
Yeah. I was blown away with how well it came out! Thanks for watching! 👍🙌🙏
Plus 1 for the jacket bit! I literally LOL'd :-)
Haha! Glad you liked that part. 🙌👍
Always look forward to your new episode - which never fail to educate……..
Thanks. I’m glad that you enjoyed it and found some useful info in there. 🙏🙌👍
Quality content and very ‘watchable’👍👍
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. 👍👍🙏🙌
Very interesting. I would love to have a max prop on my boat but its not in the budget. Congrats on the sponsorship. This is a great channel and I hope you get more. Great video!
Thank you! I’m glad that you liked it. I appreciate the feedback as always. 🙏🙏👍🙌
Nice props. Be careful on assembly so forward isn't actually reverse. Follow the Boat had a video recently where they splashed after servicing the prop and that's what happened to them.
Crazy. Yeah, they are designed to work left or right handed. I know the settings for installation so I don’t anticipate that being an issue. Thanks for the heads up! 🙌👍🙏
I just love it when they take these things apart and show how they work and what can go south with them. Great Video!
Thanks. 🙌 I was always taking things apart as a kid growing up and I guess I still am! Haha. 👍🙌
I just sent mine into PYI and Jerome was awesome to deal with. Everyone there is knowledgeable, friendly and great to deal with.
That’s great! PYI is one of those rare GREAT companies to work with. 🙌👍
our prop is about 15 years old. They tightened it up with a new spacer and rebalanced. He said just keep it greased and dont slam it between forward and reverse and it should easily last 15-25 more years. If you do not want growth on it use prop speed, it woorks awesome. @@livingforsail
there is a guy there named Phil who im dealing with to get new rudder bearings and he is incredible. Hes been there for over 20 years and found records of the bearings sold to the yard when our boat was built back in 99 and the replacments that were sold to the 2nd owner in 2014. their records are amazing. We also just replaced our PSS shaft seal, PYI has been essential to our winter projects.@@livingforsail
Fascinating video. Keep them coming 👍
Thank you! 🙏. Glad you found it interesting. 🙌🙌
Marvellous bit of engineering, the self feathering prop, some really interesting stuff Jon, keep at it mate.
Yeah. It’s a really brilliant design. Glad you enjoyed this one. Cheers! 🙏👍🙌
engineers in workshops, a kid in a candy store
Right?! I have a few more candy store visits lining up that I’m excited to share in the coming videos! 🙌👍
Amazing! Thanks for the field trip!!
Thank you! 🙏👍🙌
This prop, when new, cost as much as my boat will haha
They are not cheap but wow… they really make a difference!
Nice channel. I had a Liberty Cutter 28 which was finished out in Florida from a hull/deck imported from Hong Kong or Taiwan. Was this the same company? My boat was pretty bullet proof - I fixed her up and sailed her from Texas to Turkey.
Thank you! 🙏
I’ve seen the 28s out there. It’s a different company as far as I know. I have heard that those 28s are rock solid and it sounds like yours served you well. Very cool!
I remember talking to the owner of Liberty Yachts in Florida a couple of times. He also built/finished out a number of sailboats around 45' he said. Perhaps there was another Liberty Yachts finishing their own hulls in the East. @@livingforsail
Is that gov issued flannel you’re wearing? Just finishing a history of late bronze age Tyre and the Phoenicians escaping to Carthage in their fast and stable ships.
Every Canadian is issued a hockey stick and a red/black flannel shortly after the umbilical cord is cut…
Nice and informative
Thank you! 🙏 I appreciate the feedback 🙌🙌
Did you do all the markings when you took it apart and cleaned?
Yes.
another good one. I recommend their dripless as well. I have installed a couple of them.
Thank you! 🙏. I’ve been looking at the “pro” version. I have an old stuffing box and would like to upgrade. Maybe another video idea to look at the options. 🤔
That's the way to go as the extra collar is good insurance. I did that on my second boat but found my own after market collar.@@livingforsail
What about prop coatings? Does Max Prop endorse the use of products like Speed Prop to reduce the amount of growth? Also, is there a fitting used for greasing the prop, or is disassembly required?
Great questions. PYI offers a coating called “Crystal prop”. It is a two component paint on coating that competes with “prop speed”.
I’ve used prop speed before and it worked well. I imagine the Crystal prop is very good (reviews are positive).
For greasing, there are several M6 set screws in the body of the prop. They can be removed and a grease fitting installed. You can inject grease like this in/out of the water.
Cheers! 👍🙌
Cool episode John.
Thanks! 🙏 This was a fun one to make. 🙌👍
Great video. I wonder if you could discuss what PYI recommends for anti-fouling paint on the prop.
Thank you! 🙏 great question. PYI has their own “crystal prop” coating. I’ve used “prop speed” in the past with success.
I’m not sure how they differ. That could be fun to look into. 🤔
Great video!
Thank you! 🙏. I’m glad to you enjoyed it. 🙌🙌
Are you related to Joaquin Phoenix ? You look and Sound like him 😊
I don’t believe I am but that would be a wild discovery. Haha.
He’s done some crazy odd stuff so I’ll just take this as a positive 👍🙌🤣
You got your greasy finger prints all over the shiny blades.
Haha. I know. I should have gotten out the white gloves…