9 COSTLY MISTAKES to avoid in your watch collecting journey! How many did you make?
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- I am sharing with you the 9 costly mistakes I made throughout my watch collecting journey. I will tell you the story using my Rolex, Tudor and Omega watches inside this beautiful watch case by @bosphorusleather, plus another watch which I no longer have in my collection. How many of these mistakes did you make?!
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Number 1 mistake I made very early on which a lot of watch channels don’t ever talk about is buying your “dream” or “grail” watch too early cause as soon as you get it, the what next phase starts and it literally ruins your whole watch collecting journey.
Lesson #10: (many yrs from now) I wish I bought smaller size watches 😅
Nice collection 🤙
I can relay! And thank you!
I was thinking the same thing
You are every watch manufacturers' dream customer.
And every wallets’ nightmare.
Top class video KC and it contains the most common sense and best advice I’ve seen in a single video. That watch box too is superb. More power to you.
Thanks for the kind words 🫡 and yes, the watch box is really lovely!
A box full of amazing mistakes! Great stories and amazing collection!
Thank you! 😇
The first mistake I've already seen 5 seconds into the video is getting BOTH a Submariner and Submariner Date 😂
Well spotted 🤣
Love the lessons learned and I can relate on all of them. Great content and patience reigns supreme when building a collection. I have to tie myself down and hide my wallet after new watches come out. I find that actually waiting a couple of years after new releases is the best time to buy. One question; do you ever consider buying used? You seem to buy all new watches from an AD.
Thanks and I like your advice! I never considered used and always buy from the AD. I do like the AD experience and also like to know that I am the first person wearing the piece. It is not my intention to trade in and out so this is important to me. Plus, I don’t see any reason why I would want to pay over list for a piece that is not straight from the source. With these in mind, I never ventured out to the pre-owned route, but this may well change in the future 😆
Very good advice. As too your OG BB58 and Blue BB58, both different enough to offer unique wearing experience. Enjoy your collection for many years.
Thank you, and you too! 💙🖤
I really enjoyed this video. I think all of us watch collectors at some point have these same thoughts. I absolutely love your collection. I don't think you made very many mistakes at all. Maybe a bit too many Tudors. Don't let people tell you any of your watches are too big for your wrist. They all look fine. Wear what makes you happy. Like you said, most people don't notice or care what you're wearing on your wrist. You have a great collection you should be proud of. I love your watch box. I'll definitely be checking this sponsor out.
Many thanks for your support and your kind words, I really appreciate it! And yes, I think if I really need to let go of some watches, the Tudors will definitely be on the chopping board 🫢
Just found your channel and this vid caused me to subscribe. Thank you for your transparency and honesty, it was refreshing. If all of us as collectors were being honest, I would say that most of us would admit that we fall in to more than one or two of these categories you mentioned . You definitely are not an idiot! This passion makes us do things that are only given deep rational thoughts after the fact. I can’t tell you how many pieces I’ve sold, had sellers remorse, contacted the new owner and bought them back. Nothing feels more silly than paying twice for a watch that you had already. Plus, paying twice stings and can cause you to need a stiff drink! Thanks again and I look forward to watching your other videos. 🙏🏾
Really appreciate your kind words and thanks for being supportive! I thought watch people like us are bounded to make similar mistakes so thought it would be good to share my experience so others can avoid. But I guess if one is watching this video, it is already too late ... 🤣
If you go to a store wanting to spend good money on an item and they won't let you, go to another brand.
Or, another store 😉
It must be hard to be rich and not be able to get what you want right away. 😂
@@thebestoffoolsif you’re truly rich then you still get what you want.
@@thebestoffools It must be hard having no dignity.
@dd-dd2co I dunno but having to buy another brand in order to go up a list just to get a Rolex seems more like bribery than normal business. I'm not even sure this business practice is leagal in my country.
Probably the best watch video of 2023. So insightful and reminds me of my own many mistakes. I hope folks can learn from this
Thank you for the kind words 🫡 🙏🏼
Love the format and awesome video! I completely get the Disney Land comment that you made about your wife. We're never too old to learn from our mistakes. Thanks for sharing!
You are very welcome, I'm glad you found my video entertaining! 😎
oh man !!!!! this case, I just ordered myself one from Bosphorus to fit 10 watches its a custom Hight Petra watch case cant wait for it to come in i did a similar color scheme like yours as well
I'm sure you are going to love it! I have truly enjoyed the Petra watch box and I think it complements my watches very well 😇
Number 1 mistake I made very early on which a lot of watch channels don’t ever talk about is buying your “dream” or “grail” watch too early cause as soon as you get it, the what next phase starts and it literally ruins your whole watch collecting journey.
It is so true that the "grail watch" does not exist! 😆
@@KCTimeShare thought I had found it … then got bored with it a month or 2 later 😂
The root beer at the end of the video is stunning. Congrats on aquiring it. Probably the classiest Rolex out there in my humble opinion.
Thank you! I love the Rootbeer, I should make a video about it in the future 😉
@@KCTimeSharePlease make a video about the Root Beer as it is the only Rolex I desire at this point (a blue DateJust too but I can live without the DateJust if I get the Root Beer).
@@eyeheartsushi2212 I have the Rootbeer and the Blue DJ. It sounds like a GMT vs DJ would be the perfect video for you 😆
@@KCTimeShare Make it happen, LOL.
Very wise lessons, I agree with all of your tips. Throughout my hobby, I mostly adhere to your last one: wear/buy what you like. I do inform myself about trends, novelties, etc - but my box is filled with pieces I all truly love.
A majority are Japanese, due to my love of the country and of Seiko in particular. There’s a Seiko 5 Chun Li (My Street Fighter main), a Presage SPB167 with a lovely hemp pattern blue dial, an Astron which was recommended in Tokyo at Akihabara by my friends there, and a Pikachu G Shock my girlfriend at the time gave me.
Then I have a whole space theme with a quirky Xeric Apollo watch, the frankly hilariously underrated Bulova Lunar Pilot (a high quality quartz reimagining of an original that went to the Moon with Apollo 15, replacing the Omega Speedy of NASA astronaut Dave Scott which actually *failed*!) and - of course - a MoonSwatch.
Finally, my two Swiss pieces are an Omega Planet Ocean 42 with an 8500 movement, and a Rado Captain Cook 37mm in white. The first one is my “power” timepiece when I want to channel my inner Daniel Craig, while the Rado is a lovely everyday and summer watch.
Thank you for sharing your collection and enjoy them! They’re a wonderful set of timepieces. Cheers!
You have an awesome collection as well and it is good that you are enjoying the ones YOU like! Nice one 💪🏼
Great video and whilst I hear you on lesson number 2, I don’t think that the speedy is too big for you. It looks good IMO
Thanks you for the kind feedback! 😇
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Regards from Canada 🇨🇦, I came across your channel and your reviewers are awesome. I have subscribed. Keep up the good work! Cheers.
Many thanks for your kind feedback and support! I'm glad you found some value in my videos 🫡
I sold a few Seikos and have two Turtles that I really like (Tropical Lagoon and the Willard Naomi Uemura). I also traded a Black Bay Bronze for the Black Bay blue bezel 41mm. Traded a Black Bay 41 with the silver dial for a Planet Ocean 43.5mm orange bezel earlier this year. I've definitely made some mistakes too.
At least you got to enjoy so many solid pieces in this process! 😎
U are so Right! Nice Vid and there is so much true in it 👍🏼
Thank you!
love the saying "buy it nice or buy it twice"... We have a similar one "buy once cry once". Great concept.
Thanks 😏
Really good video, we all make same mistakes, wanted to as fast as possible pick all our graal
Thank you, glad you enjoyed this episode!
Great video - I think having the blue and black BB58 is great idea - I have the black one and love it but the blue looks awesome! Smart move having both !!
Great minds think alike! 😎
Good content, I just love when my other half don’t love watches Like I do, that means more for me. I don’t think you made a mistake purchasing the two 58 they are different colors and evokes a different feeling
Moreover they can be worn with different out fits . I own two Rolex oyster perpetual 41mm the blue and the green and could not be happier . I would like to pick up the silver at a later date . Every time I wear them I feel like I am wearing a different watch and people always compliment me on the watches . That’s not important to me as I wear my timepieces for myself anyhow I always say thanks. Thanks for sharing
You are a very lucky man to be able to have the Green and Blue OP41! I'm still waiting for the Green OP36, which I really hope I can get the call one day.
Enjoy your collection and be thankful that your other half is not into this black hole 🤣
Yes you are right, very bless and luck
Nice video, it’s evident that a lot of thought was put into it!
Thank you, I'm glad you have enjoyed my video!
So true and good lessons learned. I definitely need to revisit this video periodically!!😂
It is time to add this video to your bookmark! 🤣
New viewer, here. Very good video. I’ve made some of those mistakes. I really like the BB58 blue but I already have a BB Heritage burgundy. Have told myself maybe I’ll let go of the burgundy but it was my first “luxury” watch so I would have to be emotionally ready if I make that decision. Maybe I’ll wait and see if a blue Pelagos 39 is released which would make it a bit different from my Heritage.
Cheers.
Thanks for the kind words! Sounds like you made the right decision to hold back, unless you are still thinking of the BlueBay58 every day now 😇 I wonder what Tudor will bring us next year, a blue P39 would be a welcomed addition to their line up for sure!
Honestly...very good video!
Greating from Germany
Many thanks Jannis!
Nice video! 40 mm maxi case is to big for you. 36 DJ is perfect for your wrist. You need a Vintage Rolex in your collection and the older model 40 mm case size more comfortable and would fit good on your wrist!
Thanks for the constructive feedback! I always wanted to try the vintage GMT but couldn't get pass the older bracelet now that I have experienced the modern solid bracelet... maybe one day ...
I totally agree with going vintage. You have a fantastic collection of new watches. I like the idea of a watches previous good times. When you buy a high end none precious metal watch you’re a custodian of those time pieces and one day they will be on the wrist of someone else. Enjoy them and wear them. Great original content 👍🏻
@@James-po4xt Thanks you!
@@KCTimeShare What size is your wrist? I am an older person and feel that younger folks buy way too big of watches, but that is the style now.
@@teleguy5699 It is roughly 6”
Interesting Video. 😁 How much does it cost to get a 'Monster' from AD or Grey Market? 🙏😃
As at Nov 2023, the Deepsea Challenge has a retail price of GBP 21,900 💸
I only over buy vintage watches, otherwise i have one diver (bb58 blue), one GMT (Traska Venturer), and one quartz Titan I use to set the rest of my watches to 🤣.
The rest are all vintage Seikos that I baby, re-furbished and eventually will sell. Lord Marvel, Lord Matic, King Seiko, and Grand Seiko.
The next watch will eventually replace my Traska GMT, but TBH I won't ever get rid of that watch because it's by far the best watch I've ever owned. The Rolex Explorer II (white dial is coming to my collection in August)
You seem to have a very well thought out and balance collection. Well done! 👍
This is so brutally honest - I love it!
Thank you! 😆
Very good real life experience and advise. Thank you 😊
Thanks for the nice feedback, I'm glad you've enjoyed my video!
You seem able to buy expensive watches like others buy groceries. Good for you.
Thank you ... 🤔 🫢
@@KCTimeShare if I am mistaken and you are not a Millionaire 😅 but use clever buying and saving strategies for watches, why not share them with your middle class audience. 😊 Including measures of cautioun, i.e. avoiding to be in too much debt, spending/saving ratio rule of thumb, etc.
Every time I see relatively young guys with 8-10 luxury watches in their collection I wonder how they made it without being too much in debt.
@@v.t.3194 I am definitely not a millionaire, not anywhere close in fact! But thankfully, I consider myself as a responsive spender so I'm not in debt 😁
Great video, packed full of useful content. I just subscribed.
I also wish my wife would wear a watch or at least a bracelet, but im glad she told me before i bought something.
Also having multiple pieces that are almost the same is an early mistake of mine
Thanks for being supportive and the kind feedback! Seems like we were on the same boat, we just need to learn from our mistakes and that will be fine 😁
You call them mistakes but what a Lovely watch collection 😍 🔥 👌
Thank you! 🙏🏼
That Bosphorus box is class. Where do you keep your spare straps? Does the box have a compartment for them?
Oh yes the Bosphorus watch box is really classy! This particular version doesn't come with compartments but I believe Bosphorus offers a different version of this box which comes with extra space for accessories. I use my Moonwatch box to store my straps at the moment 😉
The BB 54 would be a great size for you
Not doubt! But I'm not a huge fan of the colour scheme of the BB54, still prefer the BB58 to be honest 😎
Lovely watch box. Great collection you have 🌎
Many thanks Jamie! 🙂
Man, you made a mistake for every watch in the box then? 😂. Seriously great collection.
Oh totally, to both of your remarks! 🤣
I don’t collect. I wear.
That’s one nice looking Tudor.
I have a personal rule. Never buy more than one watch of the same brand. After 20 years I finally broke my own rule when I purchased a Seiko Presage. 😂
I love your first sentence 🫡
Great video 🙌🏾
Thanks man! 💪🏼
I bought my mom Cartier SolarBeat. She loves it and proudly wears everyday
That is really kind of you and it is a solid piece. I love the idea of a solar powered watch!
Thank you for sharing it with us. Could you make a video showing your watch collection, I own a couple of Tudors and a Submariner we have similar taste hehe
Thanks for the suggestion, Fabian! You have a solid collection by the sound of it, nice one! I have considered making a SOTC video but thought my pieces are too generic so it didn't make pass the idea stage 🫢
@@KCTimeShare I literally watched all your videos. And let me tell you something my collection might no be the best same as yours but we are your followers, I can speak for them and tell you we will more than pleased to a video like that
Thanks for your kind feedback! I will give it serious consideration in 2024 🫡
Along with buying too fast I would add buying too many as a mistake. Unless you have a social media channel I think going over 5 - 7 is a mistake. Better to keep improving in quality rather than adding watches. Although I would also say there is nothing wrong with a watch you never wear if it still brings you joy.
That means when one gets to 5-7 watches, he/she can just start a social media channel. Problem solved 😆
The only "mistake" I know from my young collection is not starting earlier or even later. Cause I could have got a variation of my watch that did not existed at that time
You know what they say? "Yesterday was the best day to buy watches, Today is the next best day!" - It is never too late 🤣
Really, really nice video
Thank you!
Good vid and agree with all your session story
Thank you for your support!
Thanks for sharing 👍 what's your wristsize?
Thanks! My wrist size is ~6”
What a beautiful watch box. When you first start I can’t see what brand the watches are really and being this is the first time I’ve seem your channel I thought it was maybe a mix of San Martin and Seiko based on looks. Just shows how much watches are status symbols that make little sense. My opinion obviously.
Not implying thats why you have these premium brands as there are many reasons beyond prestige and status, it’s just an observation.
A very fair point. However, I don't see watches as a status symbol, otherwise, I could just have one expensive piece and be done with the journey. I like to experience different models but my wallet strongly disagrees! 🤣
Looks like you get stung by FOMO a lot. That sub looks too big for your wrist. A Ginault Ocean Rover would be a better fit. You have both the Submariner and Submariner Date? Probably best to offload both. Also offload the Omega Speedmaster (also too big) and the Black Bay Bronze (also too big). Keep both Black Bay 58's as they are a better fit for your wrist, but you'll probably be annoyed when they re-release them next year with an improved crown, METAS certification, and most importantly a T-Fit clasp.
I need to remind myself of mistake no.8 again after reading your comment.
The Black Bay Bronze he owns *is* a BB58 and it is the first Tudor watch to come with the T-Fit clasp. I agree with offloading both subs and Speedy.
quick question, what's the size of the pillows you ordered? I have a 16cm size wrist
I got in touch with the company and informed them my wrist size, I'd suggest you to do the same to ensure you get the perfect fit 🫡
whats the color of this case ?
light tan patina ?
honey patina ?
java patina ?
It is called 'PARCHMENT PATINA JAVA' - link to the product here if you want to check it out: www.bosphorusleather.com/products/petra-watch-case-for-eight-watches-parchment-patina-java
Great video, KC. Buy what you like, who cares what other people think. Also, think of the money you will save if your wife is not into watches. Unfortunately, both my husband and I have the watch illness. 😂😂😂
You found yourself the best hubby!
Much appreciated for sharing. How I wish 1 day i could own anyone of those watches. For now, even that watch box could set me back months/years (sry, 3rd world problems😂)
I'm broke AF, I wear my casio proud. N I would wear that sub till kingdom come tho😅
Being a responsible spender is the key. There are great watches in any price point, and Casio is king in its range. Solid choice my friend!
Interesting musings , I have similar issues with my Ali Express purchases , the difference being I can maybe buy a tyre rather than a car with the cost of one . Thanks for that. Love the box , I think we are operating on different levels 😂.
I'm glad you have enjoyed my little video 🤣
Glad I stumbled across your video. Good tips for someone looking to build collection, like me!, I am in market to buy Omega and AD is offering a discount but online discount with eBay etc is better. Any suggestion which way to consider?
First of all, welcome to this rabbit hole, I'm glad you are thinking of building a watch collection!
For someone who is relatively new to this hobby, I'd suggest going for the AD route if budget permits as the experiece of buying a luxury watch is almost as important as the watch itself, at least to me personally. So if the price differiental is not huge and is acceptable, I would buy it from an AD.
Also, you never have to worry about authenticity when you buy from an AD, but the same cannot be said for buying from non-AD sources, which is proabbly not ideal for a 'beginner'. I hope this helps and good luck with your watch collecting journey!
@@KCTimeShare - thanks! I got a SD43 at a retail. Your videos are helpful
100 likes from me . I love you man you made me feel so much better .. so many similar mistakes and especially when comes to the gifts for the wife .. bought her two Rolex to please her and both are in the closet .. I believe this is just a form of ocd…
What made you buy the wife a SECOND Rolex?
@@eyeheartsushi2212 I was offered out of the blue retail price from the AD a datejust so I couldn’t say no. Still in box unworn…
I hear you. We both need to learn from our mistakes so it seems 😆
@@KCTimeShare you know this game is partly ocd… what to do 😆
@dinamiena6186 Why didn’t you wear it? What size is it and what bracelet and bezel configuration?
Very human replies-you are a little harsh on yourself. This can be an unforgiving hobby, but you have done very well. Thank you
Thank you for being so supportive, it is very much appreciated 🙏🏼
All beautiful watches but they should all speak to you as well. I have different watches all at different prices that I love because they tell a story. First one when my dad passed then my watch from my first business deal. They’re all different.
Thank you, and yes, it is always nice to be able to link a watch purchase to a special event/moment. I'm sorry to hear about your dad, I'm sure he is in a good place now.
114060, solid piece! My mistake, dumping thousands on fixing my vintage pieces
Ouch that hurts! At least you get to enjoy your vintage pieces though 😁
@@KCTimeShare I’ve spent thousands on watches vintage Tissot and Omegas from the 30s because they belonged to my Dad and a grand on my mom’s wee lil Longines, but memories are gonna cost 😂
Did we have the same parents??? I refurbished all three of those brands!!!!
Nice Collection.
Thank you!
My deam is the 10 watch Rapport Heritage Macassar box. Never see enough videos online about boxes.
I like the Louis Vuitton 8 watch box but the price is a lot and the cushions are too small
What is your wrist size out of interest?
@@KCTimeShare im a 7 and a half inch wrist
@@auricgoldfinger8249 Got it, thanks!
The first 2 watches (BB58, moon watch) I have had in the collection twice over my 5 years. All 4 are gone.
That is such a shame. At least you got to enjoy them, twice!
lost more money on both enough to buy a new Black Bay 58 and then some probably.@@KCTimeShare
Wow.....that many Tudors😅, the power of false n forced marketing. It actually works.
I am a big fan of Tudor, and I probably own too many! 🥹
Good points.
Thank you!
I introduced my wife to Rolex for her birthday and now she wants another one. We are collecting watches together it’s fun
That’s the best! 👏🏼
So the Speedy is to big, then you go on to show every 42mm diver under the sun. Look at the watch 3 feet away on wrist in a mirror, camera lens distort.
Good advice 👊🏼
Excellent content.
Thank you! 🙏🏼
$1200 watch box? Nope. Nice collection though.
It is a very nice watch case though!
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i can relate with you the other half mistake haha
Welcome to the party! 😂
Lol. In my view the best watches aesthetically on your wrist would be 1. the two tone (best) 2. the blue tudor and 3. the Submariner.
Thank you for your feedback, I do appropriate it, but my mistake no.8 in this video still stands 🤣
@@KCTimeShare 😂
Mistakes: collecting "others" watches, a rolex centric collection.
I guess that's the difference between a specialist and a generalist, I wonder which side of the fence are you on 💬
A couple of Rolex fell in my lap and I realized that I couldn’t comfortably afford it & done it anyway.
I guess you will still be better off if you ended up selling the pieces, so it is okay? 😇
How can anyone who owns an Omega speedmaster want to buy a Moonswatch?
Owning both is not mutually exclusive to be honest…
Well said about the spouse :)
Thank you!
Every one of those watches looks comically huge on your wrist. The Explorer is the only one that is well proportioned for your wrist. The others just look ridiculous.
Thanks for the comment. Now, let me go back to my own video and listen to the 8th mistake again 🙃
But at the Time the Bronze bb58 was Indeed Rare. I Would only consider it a mistake in you dont enjoy the Watch.
Thanks for making me feel better. But yes, I did enjoy the BronzeBay58, in fact, I still am. I just wish it can get more wrist time~
@@KCTimeShare yeah i know that feel. But i still try to give it the time It deserves. But it competes with my 54, My 1926 and my prx
The sub looks huge on your wrist , people are right
But I love it 🤗
@KCTimeShare wear it with pride then! You do you, but 38mm to a max of 40mm is likely your "ideal" perfect size.
@@SavageKillaBees Oh yes I don’t disagree with you, I have the DJ36 and 36mm Explorer, they fit my wrist size much better but I do like wearing a bigger piece from time to time 😎
You should sell that Omega Moonwatch. It is too big as you said.
Thanks for the advice!
I think you should daily that Challenge
What challenge?! @@
@@KCTimeShare Sea Dweller Challenge 😆💪
How big is your wrist?
Hi there~ it is roughly 6"
What's your wrist size?
More or less 6” I’d say.
@@KCTimeShare That deep-sea challenge looked comical on your wrist. Enjoyed the video 🍻
@Alex_Fung Thanks Alex!
Many beautiful mistakes!!😅
😂😂😂
It seems like you are collecting mistakes more than you are collecting watches. ;)
Oh yes at this rate, totally! 😂
6:19 😂 Sry, but that is a life lesson...
Oh yes, I learnt it the hard way! 😂
What job allows you to support this habit?
Whatever it is, TH-cam is not it, at least not for the size of my channel 😆🤣
You have way too much money 😜
On a serious note, the most important thing is to learn from mistakes.
Oh 100%! Making Mistakes are fine as long as we don’t make the same mistake twice!
You need to wear
I don't disagree with you tbh!
Sounds like that's an entire box of regrets
That's the whole point of the video lol
I really can't comprehend how people can afford to buy so many expensive watches. What kind of jobs do they have?
Whatever the job is, being a small TH-camr doesn't cut it 😆
Mistake 1 is the plastic watch!
Many people will agree with you, but I do like to have a quartz plastic watch which is always ready to go.
@@KCTimeShare so many much nicer options in quartz in metal cases.
Oh yes, that, I don’t disagree 🤣
The watch appears to look great on your wrist. Please disregard the opinions of those who believe their views hold more weight than the truth.
Thanks for your kind words!
I have a new bb58 blue, that I want to sell…..😂
Why do you want to sell a new BlueBay58?!
@@KCTimeShare rollie came in
@@wayneguy6043That will do it LOL
10:30 dude is just justifying getting his wife a casio 😂
Gosh, you made me rewatch my video just now! I'm pretty sure a Rolex watch is more expensive than a Disney trip 🤣
i made no mistakes as i bought reps lol.
You don’t say! 🤣
That bronze is beautiful. I’m a stickler though, and the case back being an imitation bronze color is a huge turn off for me.
That dial and bezel is absolutely wonderful though.
If the case back is also made out of bronze then it would definitely help with my OCD! 😆
The product is the buyer not the watch
I presume you mean “problem”, not “product”? I agree with you tbh lol