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If you ask a Native American they will tell you the mounds were here when they got here. They were built by red haired Giants. All Native American Elders will tell you so also. Strangely!!! 👀😳😨😱
'Archeological' or 'scientific consensus' is literally bologna. Anti science is what it is. The whole idea of 'agreed consensus'. The whole point of archeology and science in general is that people have theories and they're always being proven wrong by learning more
I have a science degree in Oceanography, and my hobby is underwater archaeology. In the past and just to a lesser extent today the quick way to get a lot of people in that field angry at you is to even suggest that North and South America had any important cultures to study. The past mistakes makes it hard for people to get past ideas of who was important and when. There is a great need for a fresh approach to the entire field. I agree with the previous poster that we need to get a LIDAR map of that entire area just to start unraveling the great achievements of our human family. Maybe learning to be humble at the fact we stand on tall shoulders.
You're absolutely right - prestigious American institutes, eg the Smithsonian, have until recently displayed a 'closed-mind' approach to anything 'civilised' before Columbus. But things are changing - in the last 20 years or so, all sorts of discoveries have been made, from geoglyphs in the Amazon basin to sites of human activity going back approximately 30,000 years or more. The future is bright!
@@lesjones6745 Ignorance caused the past mistakes and the arrogance has continued until the present. We are still living like we are in colonial Williamsburg not 2020. To get to the truth and find the lost history of the human race, you must get past all of the entrenched interests who are totally embarrassed by there lack of knowledge. Especially if they should know better and claim they do.
@@michelewhitewolf3712 It's the orthodox groups which have set themselves up as the ultimate authority - they reject anything which falls outside the boundaries that they themselves have set. It's plain over everything to do with ancient Egypt. Anyway, the best of luck with your underwater archaeology - if you find anything really interesting, post it here!
Soon you and me will be gone too. Someday people are gonna dig up our trash mounds and say this was an ancient holy place where they performed their rituals. Look, this relic says pampers. Their god must have been the great pamper. They must have worn this on their head during the ritual like this
Garden of the gods is another cool park in Southern Illinois. Panther Den, Little grand canyon, and fern cliff are a few more. I live close to the area. I actually live about 20 miles away from Mound City.
I went to school at SIU carbondale, and we did some heavy partying out at Giant City. There's a lot of out of place type stuff there, some inscriptions we made in the 1800s and remain today. I should go back just for the nostalgia. Thanks Chuck.
I live about 30 miles from this site and I've visited these sites many, many times. Its only one of many interesting places in the Shawnee National Forest. Most believe the huge cliff faces were carved by retreating glaciers after the last Ice Age. What's even more fascinating about the area is the dates carved in the rock faces of some of those cliffs. The whole area was used by Jesse James and other famous wild west outlaws as hideouts due to the many caves and naturally defensible locations. Thankfully it's a protected area and most of it has gone untouched by man...well by development at least. Like another commentor mentioned, SIU-C is only a few miles away and it's very popular with college students and others as a serene weekend getaway. I highly recommend people go visit this site, it's a hidden gem.
This is my home park. I believe there are eleven of these stone forts in southern Illinois. There are shelter bluffs scattered all around the area. I've found points, blanks of chert, coloidals and mattates. The park gets its name from huge fissures that were thought to be sidewalks for giants. The town of Makanda sits by the west entrance to the park. Happy trails!
Im from the area as well (steeleville) and have explored all over the shawnee.. One of my favorites is Panther Den that has more of these "streets"... i filmed from on top of those streets and actually got it on my channel (just a minute long) th-cam.com/video/hout-6YxbrU/w-d-xo.html
Giant City will always be my favorite but i literally know every tree in that park. Jackson Falls is kinda my new obsession though, it's so pretty hiking down in that canyon and especially in the winter because you can see all the rock formations better and the waterfall is usually flowing. We are very lucky to have access to the Shawnee
@witkrieg todd - I don't believe I mentioned or implied 'hating white people', I am of coloniser stock myself - I just espoused a theory on cause, effect and perception - if you only have hammers everything is a nail and all that - your shallow grasp on history is a fine case in point. DO NOT place words in my mouth!
Interestingly, not too far from here is Millstone Bluff.. it is an interpretive tour through an ancient Indian Village that has remnants of houses, cemeteries, community centers, storage or warehouse areas... so you mentioning those side items made me think of that
@@cfapps7865 they had a small town, and built a wall around it to stop the naighbours from attacking and pinching stuff. The fact its stone likely just means they stayed around and had time to improve things.
Probably because our knowledge of North America’s reeeaally old history has been so ignored... it seems fortification is a fallback term when they don’t know enough about the culture.. then when they know the culture, it becomes without a doubt a temple and/or tomb🤣🇺🇸
ive been there,, should have shown the cliffs that surround that fort and those walls.. only way to get up to the top was along the outside of this wall.., unless your a mountain climber...great place to defend..fascinating place..
It’s amazing how much one takes for granted, the things they have in their back yard. I live 25 miles from Giant City. You’ve inspired me to go take a hike today! Also, there’s a place not too far from here 15-20 miles) named Stonefort,. It has these same stone wall features. Good day!
My brother went to SIU, and we would visit him from time to time. There is a wall in this park that has the names and dates of union soldiers inscibed on a cliff face some 20 feet off the ground. I was amazed as a kid to learn that the reason was that this had been ground level 100 years prior.
Browning mountain in Brown county, in southern Indiana is another rampart style construction. It was said to be an abandoned quarry operation by early settlers yet there are hundreds of roughly carved (limestone?) slabs the size of a small car. Some are partially buried and others have huge trees growing over them.
Wow, there is a place in Pennsylvania, out in the middle of the woods, that are identical to this. It's like a maze , huge rocks everywhere. I've always felt it's a special place walking through it.
I have seen similar stone walls off a dirt road near Penn Mountain State Park in Oneida County New York. the rocks are huge and stacked. It doesn't look like anyone has lived near by in a long long time.
When I was a kid, my parents had a home in a new development up in the area called, ‘Mt Pocono’, bear Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania. I was barely a teen, and we only went to that house a month or so a year, so I had no friends and was bored with my brother. We would play hide and seek in the woods. It was all woods, with sparse roads, and new houses (it was a super new development). But anyways, there were stone walls like this all over the place. No signs or anything though. We assumed, and just referred to them as the Indian Forts. lol (we were young) But now in retrospect as an old guy, it defintiely wasn’t pilgrim/settler related, IMO. I’ll try to find the coordinates on google maps...
From New England here and we are fascinated by the walls. We will send pictures of what is definitely "farmer" and what we identified as presumably unknown origin. You'll get that DM soon! Love your videos and they have brought our attention to looking at the mounds here around us as something maybe a little more than what we have been taught.
Giant City! Fun trails and rock climbing sites, all you can eat chicken at the lodge, and now a mystery of history to ponder! Guess I learn something new about Giant City every day! Thanks for the video. It reminded me of the times I would explore Giant City when I was a student of SIUC.
Went down to Giant City last month (and went too SIU which is about 10 miles north. Go, Salukis!). Stone Fort is on a promontory. It's just one wall about 250 feet long. Street of the Giants is part of what is called the Nature Trail. You will find similar formations at Rim Rock about an hour east in Shawnee National Forest. Shawnee--in the middle of which Giant City State Park sits--is just a great natural resource. American Indians lived in the area, but experts are unsure about who did what when down there. That mound was interesting because I've never seen that area presented that way. Thanks, Chuck!
I've seen a similar stone all in central North Carolina. I was told they were made to control cattle but I'm not convinced. I've heard rumors that there are Indian mounds on private land near Lexington NC but locals are quiet either because they have no interest or they don't want people on their land. I love your work! Thank you.
awesome sauce Chuck! I live an hour away from giant city park, been there many times, still go actually. fascinating area, many native burials there as well. 👍🏽
@@atomspatch7632 I agree about Rim Rock. I like the Nature Trail because it was the site of my first trip to that area for my 10th birthday! But Rim Rock is just amazing!
Reminds me of Old Stone Fort in Manchester TN . 40 acre inclosure between the Duck river with rock mounds Encompassing and two parallel mounds running about 180 ft .
I live near Old Stone Fort State Archaeological Park in Manchester TN. Very similar in discretion. Ours has an entrance that lines up with the sunrise on the summer solstice. Age 1500-2000 years. The wall trail is 1.4 miles. Weird giant legends about a cave called Bone Cave.
Me too. Went for 2 weeks 1 summer with my brother. We stayed in some tree houses about a mile away from the dining hall and Groto. Had to cross a suspension bridge over a lake to get there. Had a blast, jumped off cliffs at Bell Smith Springs, hiked all over. Slept under a huge rock overhang on overnight camping trip. Shot .22 rifles. Remember it like it was yesterday. That was 30 years ago. Ozark, IL.
I love your channel 👍So glad I found it. After 30 years of surface collecting ; I finally found a Clovis point in central NC. You can’t imagine my excitement! I love pre history of the Americas. I’ll be watching all of your videos.
I’ve heard southern Illinois called “little egypt” because of all of the really old monuments. I think Burrows cave is near there, supposedly a late period Egyptian tomb.
J B my first year at SIU was the last year the Halloween fest was sanctioned by the city. The following years there was riots and looting on the strip. They started calling in the National Guard. They should have just left Halloween alone!
@J B absolutely gorgeous, not many places like that in the world. gorgeous rolling plains with rich, fertile soil, dotted by limestone karst landscape leading to the largest cave systems in the world, leading into the ozarks/smokies/appalaccia . it just feels like a place meant to be lived in, feels like walking among ancient footsteps. I've seen much of the country and not a lot compares to that area. I'm polish, and it's very similar to the land there.
How did I miss this ????? Thanks again for your diligent work. Great video. Everything in Missouri and Illinois as far as carbon dating is extremely inaccurate.....
@Mississippi Ditch Fisher They need to devise a more powerful mobile ground LIDAR and use it up close, not by airplane so it can pick up much deeper anomalies.
GodsGrace , that’s not exactly how LIDAR works. It’s looking at laser light being reflected off of vegetation, the laser light isn’t penetrating the ground. It’s picking up very subtle variations in the wavelengths of light being reflected off the vegetation. Ground and soil properties affect how the vegetation grows. Often this can’t be seen by the naked eye, but LIDAR can pick up the very subtle differences in color.
makes me recall similar on Lookout Mt, near Desoto Falls Park, in northeast Alabama near Valley Head and Mentone Springs, worth looking at, have been told they were Cherokee or perhaps older
Awesome Chuck!! This is a fascinating site to me and my research suggests that this is another "trading area" as is well known by archaeologists that the Adena and Hopewell had vast trading networks and they needed areas to bring these "goods" into. These areas would need to be secure and there are many such "enclosed" areas throughout the U.S. I go over this issue thoroughly in my videos and you know what my research on the "stone walls of New England" is all about. Only a small number of the stone walls were built by "colonists" or "settlers" and they seem to be of very fine quality whereas the other walls seem rather crude to some extent with some interesting features as you know I discuss on my channel. It's a shame though that they were "dismantled" but it does show the stone was of enough fine quality and grade to build with. Loved hearing about this Chuck!! Thank you!!...;)
Thanks budcat. Just a general lame inadequate story put out about this place and it seems it never changed. I search this topic to see if you had done a video on it. :)
@@noodlefish8228 send me a link to the research. Beside the fact the Mississippian tribes carried over the trading system from the Adena, that never stopped. And multiple cultures lived right on top of each other often making it difficult to discern which cultures were there at what time period.
Literally my back yard. I walk from my house to Stone Fort often. The cliffs on the bluff are nice there. I think one of the images in this video supposedly of the alleys of the Giant City Nature Trail is really from Panthers Den several miles away. Similar right angle rock separations happen at other bluffs around here. Kind of a geological mystery as to why. Not a lot of petroglyphs in Giant City SP. That kind of makes me doubt the ceremonial site theory. We’ve got quite a few other petroglyph sites down here. There are other native stone walls in the region, but they are more associated with dwellings and animal enclosures. But we’re still mostly speculating
Hey check out Castlewood State Park in Colorado. There is an ancient damn there that no one knows where it came from, when it was built,and it's incredibly massive! If you like stuff like in this video this here damn will blow your damn mind! Couldn't believe I've never heard of it. Well then again I see why it's not really main stream news or taught in schools. It definitely blows HIS story out of the water .
The Castlewood Dam in Castlewood Canyon, built in 1890, suffered an utter collapse following heavy rains at 1 am on 3 August 1933, resulting in a 15-foot wall of water rushing down Cherry Creek to Denver, some 15 miles away. Warnings to the city by 4 am allowed most people to move out of the way of the flood waters.
I found rockwall's exactly like this right in the woods at the back side of the Orange County Fairgrounds in Middletown Orange County New York to find such a thing and to have never not once even heard about all of these millions of miles of rock walls that crisscross the land from the Ohio Valley region all the way up into New York and Maine the extent of these things are absolutely preposterously huge
Funny, back in the 60's I used to visit a relative with my family to Pompton Planes NJ and in the woods there there were very similar looking stone walls running through the backs of the properties a good ways into the woods. We were told that they were military structures from the Revolutionary War, but it seems to me that the stones were too large for that.
I knew there was something in Giant city park. I could never find much on it online and the locals here either don’t speak or don’t know. There is lots to see in the park. I kept saying it was really a Giants City. Garden of the Gods as well. Oh and lookup Little Grand Canyon too. Thank you and Btw I can go get you photos as well. I’m down the road from it every day.
I went for a weekend hike down Little Grand Canyon with a group of friends from SIU one day in 1971. I have never forgotten it. I am 73 years old now. 🤩
James Burson I totally understand what you mean. It sticks in your mind for sure. My parents came down here and we took them there and it stayed with them too. I’ve never left.
i’ve been here several times man. its on top of a huge cliff with the wall on one end and 60 ft cliffs on the other three sides. it’s a very interesting area. there are overhangs in the park big enough to build houses in. the whole area is loaded with native american history.
Please do a video on Stlouis mounds, my icon is a picture of one On mound street in stlouis. Stlouis was named Mound city there were 25 mounds along the Mississippi River about 10 min away from Cahokia. I’m interested in finding info about the mounds in forest park in stlouis.
@@fishhooks100 The Clovis made ferocious big game hunting points and I was in a silly mood. Also, the rock formation reminded me of an Atlas horizontal missile silo. It's the kind of comments I make when I've had coffee after 3pm.🤷♀️
Theres a much bigger wall in Rockwall Tx. Much more intricate with archways and chambers. Found by two ranchers on their respective properties and when followed it was learned that it was one structure. They dug a large portion of it free from earth and actually gave tours to people. The Army Corps of Engineers came in and flooded most of it with a lake. But if you know where to look there is some still accessable on private properties. I suggest looking into it.
This area is full of ancient artifacts, between the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, there are numerous rock overhangs. I found one large overhang full of artifacts and the soil under the overhang is black with a texture like pumice, I assume this is from thousands of years on camp fires.
yep New England is one giant stone wall you can't miss any walking through the woods that used to be farms. I've seen some pretty interesting field stone structures though that used to be dwellings or storage facilities.
At 2:55 the Giants Road looks a whole lot like the Via Cavas that New Earth shows in Italy and, if I remember correctly, all the way to Turkey. The high cut walls and cut marks are eerily similar. Same builders and/or culture? Thank you. Take care and stay safe! 🙏 😊💕💕💕
I think it's a designated hunting area. Something resembling a buffalo jump with a slaughter house and possibly a lodge or lodges. Because it's near a cliff that signals a possible area to successfully get wild game in larger numbers at one time to feed large numbers of families or Tribes. Back in the old days Tribes that shared a hunting area would already have designated times each Tribe could hunt with out problems. With the remnants and wonderful input from the comment section, that is the theory that makes most sense for me. Thanks for sharing this video with us. Blessings!
you mention new england stone walls near the end, I have built 1.5 miles of restoration, original freestanding style walls, mostly off route 1 and 95. A bunch of the walls we were working on go below the current surface of the road by up to 3-4 feet, and can have really large (500-1000lb+) stones at the base,. I was looking for signs of anomalous construction the entire time I worked out there, but I only may have found it once, tube drill holes and flat planes in granite on a ruined wall, most likely 'modern', but quite rare. I will try to swing through this site my next pass through that state, thanks
The archeologist's three pat answers. Tombs, temples or palaces/fortifications Could these be related to some of the dry stone walls/structures out east
yes, such stone walls seem to be linked throughout New England in Rhode Island and Massachusettes. it has been suggested that such stone structures were covered up to conceal them, or even destroyed by the settlers as they moved in. one thing is certain: some of the stones that were moved in these regions were very massive. And the sheer number of stones moved seems daunting and from a time when the entire world seem to be obsessed with building stone structures.
Prince Madoc of Wales came here with 700 ships on 563AD. His burial site was found on Bat Creek Tennesee. The Mandan Tribe are Welsh descendents. They built stone fortifications.
We have a stone wall on our hunting land. Found it to be the first loggers in MN did it. Guessing it was for a road. Shame we have such young growth here now.
I've seen a lot of dry stone walls in England, but I very much doubt there's any correlation; they are fascinating to see. Never heard of this "Giant City". Another mystery added to my list of unsolvable relics.
A man I used to know who has long since passed who was 115 years old when I was 10 years old in Plainfeild Indiana said of the ruins it was of Norse or Vikings who built it ,,,,, as from a Indian friend of mine said also , he is a Wai Indian in Terre Haute Indiana.
Whenever is see piles of rocks like this all i think as this is actually an even far older site that was built out of bigger stones but has been destroyed..then later inhabitants used the pile of demolished ruins and stacked it like this
That is my thought as well. I hike all over the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia and see these megalithic blocks and walls every where. Maybe the mountains are not natural mountains after all and the caves are the rooms of the giants.
I've lived in Southern Indiana my whole life just a stone's throw from Angel Mounds. I'm not an expert, but I've seen just about every mound site in the area and that photo looks like a mound to me. When you have flat land in every direction except for a hill or two it's pretty safe to think it's man-made.
Coincidence, they say its the home to the “Lewis” people. A lewis, were told is a very important tool for lifting and setting stone in place. Awesome videos.
I have been there several times (i live nearby, (closer to Mississippi river) and have explored lots of other places in surrounding areas. The area of southernmost illinois (aka Little Egypt) is filled with petraglyph sites and other Indian mounds
I've recently heard about rock mulching, I wonder if it may have been anything related to that. They could be up to 6 feet tall so that is a wall of a sort .
This enclosure would have been an excellent protective corral for livestock. The nearby hill looks like a spiny rock outcrop, that would have produced the slab type stones used in the walls. It may have been the quarry, or there may have been a similar strata very near the enclosure. Either way, it looks like a fair amount of energy was expended to produce this enclosure!
My curiosity is attracted to the question, why the giants, with the mounds. As we have seen in other videos, many of these giant habitations did have a mounds in the vicinity. Makes me wonder about lovelock cave too being in relation to the mounds as the cave structure is shaped like a mound
Wow, What an interesting place ! I'm sure that with some of the most recent discoveries of human occupation in Ohio and recently in CA dating a human presence far older than what academia says. May make this and other sites far older. Like the buried stone walls in Tx that were unearthed and then poo poo'd as natural geological formations. Makes one want to start a go fund me account to set up a lidar research team to investigate these site more publicly. Lidar of the surrounding areas that may be buried and not ruined by home builders. Might yield interesting info ? Just a thought ??? Thumbs up ! Thanks for sharing.
Strange that it was built so uneven and on multiple elevations. There may be some of the original wall buried below ground that can be looked at maybe to see how it was constructed. Which might give a clue?
Aspects of it remind me of the stone remnants on Fort Mountain in north Georgia...which are suggested to be linked to the “Welsh-Madoc” notional stream, as this one is. “Loose stone” construction similar in both places, but no one knows what it looked like when ‘found’ by white colonials, either. One definite difference between the two is Fort Mtn show *no* sign of megalithic blocks used, though Illinois site seems to have at least one portion which to my eyes DOES incorporate megalithic/cyclopean blocks (@2:46, right-hand side in the image)
Hi, these walls remind me of the remains of the 'hill forts' found in North Wales. Some of these along the Clwydian range above the Vale of Clwyd are far to large to defend, so may be for enclosing livestock and / or tribal meetings. With regard to the 'Prince Madoc' legend, there is no record of such a prince. However, that does not mean that he could not have been an illegitimate son of a local ruler. The site where he is reputed to have left from is between Rhos-on-Sea and Craig Yr Don in North Wales. Interestingly it is below the site of Bryn Euryn, a hill with a reputed Early Medieval fort on it with the later Medieval fortified Llys Euryn, home of the 'Prime Minister' of the Welsh Princes of Gwynedd. So someone named Madoc could have left this area and looked for lands described by Viking seafarers / traders. 👍
Preciate you sharing this information bro, keep more coming out of North America, there is history here that invaders tried to completely wipe out, people need to see all you share
@ 3:58, That is about as chaotic as a stone wall gets. Is that the reconstruct or is that the original wall ? If it is a reconstruction, it's not worth a damn. If it's the original , does it speak of an immediate need for a protective barrier ? You even commented on how "general" the descriptive was. The "STREET of the GIANTS @ 2:53, measures up.... It almost compels "Glacial energy" to place the top on that fortress..., or maybe just a very large GIANT.
www.enjoyillinois.com/illinois-200/giant-city-state-park/ I was born and lived most of my life in Marion. Love to go hiking Giant City State park is a nice place to visit. So are Fern Cliff , Lake Glendale and so on. The Shawnee National Forest has great places to visit and live around.
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If you ask a Native American they will tell you the mounds were here when they got here. They were built by red haired Giants. All Native American Elders will tell you so also. Strangely!!! 👀😳😨😱
Thanks for making the vid. Never heard of it other wise. Close enough to visit but the early destruction of the site didn't leave much to see.
Chuck,
Have you done a video on the Old Stone Fort in TN?
'Archeological' or 'scientific consensus' is literally bologna. Anti science is what it is. The whole idea of 'agreed consensus'. The whole point of archeology and science in general is that people have theories and they're always being proven wrong by learning more
@@TheWiserphil73 dude good call. Place is dope I wanna go there
I have a science degree in Oceanography, and my hobby is underwater archaeology. In the past and just to a lesser extent today the quick way to get a lot of people in that field angry at you is to even suggest that North and South America had any important cultures to study. The past mistakes makes it hard for people to get past ideas of who was important and when. There is a great need for a fresh approach to the entire field.
I agree with the previous poster that we need to get a LIDAR map of that entire area just to start unraveling the great achievements of our human family. Maybe learning to be humble at the fact we stand on tall shoulders.
You're absolutely right - prestigious American institutes, eg the Smithsonian, have until recently displayed a 'closed-mind' approach to anything 'civilised' before Columbus. But things are changing - in the last 20 years or so, all sorts of discoveries have been made, from geoglyphs in the Amazon basin to sites of human activity going back approximately 30,000 years or more. The future is bright!
@@lesjones6745 Ignorance caused the past mistakes and the arrogance has continued until the present.
We are still living like we are in colonial Williamsburg not 2020.
To get to the truth and find the lost history of the human race, you must get past all of the entrenched interests who are totally embarrassed by there lack of knowledge. Especially if they should know better and claim they do.
@@michelewhitewolf3712 It's the orthodox groups which have set themselves up as the ultimate authority - they reject anything which falls outside the boundaries that they themselves have set. It's plain over everything to do with ancient Egypt. Anyway, the best of luck with your underwater archaeology - if you find anything really interesting, post it here!
Soon you and me will be gone too. Someday people are gonna dig up our trash mounds and say this was an ancient holy place where they performed their rituals. Look, this relic says pampers. Their god must have been the great pamper. They must have worn this on their head during the ritual like this
A "science degree"??
Lol...
Garden of the gods is another cool park in Southern Illinois. Panther Den, Little grand canyon, and fern cliff are a few more. I live close to the area. I actually live about 20 miles away from Mound City.
I went to school at SIU carbondale, and we did some heavy partying out at Giant City. There's a lot of out of place type stuff there, some inscriptions we made in the 1800s and remain today. I should go back just for the nostalgia. Thanks Chuck.
I live about 30 miles from this site and I've visited these sites many, many times. Its only one of many interesting places in the Shawnee National Forest. Most believe the huge cliff faces were carved by retreating glaciers after the last Ice Age. What's even more fascinating about the area is the dates carved in the rock faces of some of those cliffs. The whole area was used by Jesse James and other famous wild west outlaws as hideouts due to the many caves and naturally defensible locations. Thankfully it's a protected area and most of it has gone untouched by man...well by development at least. Like another commentor mentioned, SIU-C is only a few miles away and it's very popular with college students and others as a serene weekend getaway. I highly recommend people go visit this site, it's a hidden gem.
is there anything about that mound cf-apps saw at 2:57 ? jesse james is an added bonus to visit : )
Problem is, the glaciers didn't even make it past half way through Wisconsin
Jesse James? LoL Seems he had hiding places all over the country, many places in which he never stepped foot.
I lived in Cdale for 10 years, and have been hoping someone would cover giant city for a long time!! Thank you!!!
This is my home park. I believe there are eleven of these stone forts in southern Illinois. There are shelter bluffs scattered all around the area. I've found points, blanks of chert, coloidals and mattates. The park gets its name from huge fissures that were thought to be sidewalks for giants. The town of Makanda sits by the west entrance to the park. Happy trails!
Im from the area as well (steeleville) and have explored all over the shawnee..
One of my favorites is Panther Den that has more of these "streets"... i filmed from on top of those streets and actually got it on my channel (just a minute long)
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Giant City will always be my favorite but i literally know every tree in that park. Jackson Falls is kinda my new obsession though, it's so pretty hiking down in that canyon and especially in the winter because you can see all the rock formations better and the waterfall is usually flowing. We are very lucky to have access to the Shawnee
My old stomping grounds too!
Experts are certain that it was an ancient pre-historic fort...or a barber shop...or a library... or a convenience store...but not a casino.
I guess as the original europeans were militaristic colonisers they would see everything through those filters...
@witkrieg todd - I don't believe I mentioned or implied 'hating white people', I am of coloniser stock myself - I just espoused a theory on cause, effect and perception - if you only have hammers everything is a nail and all that - your shallow grasp on history is a fine case in point.
DO NOT place words in my mouth!
Everything is always a tomb or a temple. Or something military.
Interestingly, not too far from here is Millstone Bluff.. it is an interpretive tour through an ancient Indian Village that has remnants of houses, cemeteries, community centers, storage or warehouse areas... so you mentioning those side items made me think of that
@@leslietaylor4458 Very cool!
This man is a national treasure, rest in peace. I grew up in Southern Illinois and it is an amazing place. Thank you so much to your family.❤
I was in the Army Infantry for 7.5 years it's funny how they use fortifications as an answer for a lot of these earthworks/walls
Ur name n comment match. Suspiciously so...
The standard lazy answer at many sites. Yes.
@@cfapps7865 they had a small town, and built a wall around it to stop the naighbours from attacking and pinching stuff. The fact its stone likely just means they stayed around and had time to improve things.
Christian Buczko Yes, i can believe it.
Probably because our knowledge of North America’s reeeaally old history has been so ignored... it seems fortification is a fallback term when they don’t know enough about the culture.. then when they know the culture, it becomes without a doubt a temple and/or tomb🤣🇺🇸
ive been there,, should have shown the cliffs that surround that fort and those walls.. only way to get up to the top was along the outside of this wall.., unless your a mountain climber...great place to defend..fascinating place..
Im from the area.. I've been all over the area of the Shawnee National Forest.. there many stoneforts and even petraglyph sites in the area as well
This. We were always told it was a defensive point.
It’s amazing how much one takes for granted, the things they have in their back yard. I live 25 miles from Giant City. You’ve inspired me to go take a hike today! Also, there’s a place not too far from here 15-20 miles) named Stonefort,. It has these same stone wall features. Good day!
jim meadows hey I’m in if you need a trail mate. It would be nice to get out and do something real. I’m in Carbondale/ Makanda daily.
Love what your doing man More people need to know about the lost history of America
My brother went to SIU, and we would visit him from time to time. There is a wall in this park that has the names and dates of union soldiers inscibed on a cliff face some 20 feet off the ground. I was amazed as a kid to learn that the reason was that this had been ground level 100 years prior.
Wow that's very interesting ..
"Ritual" is archeologist speak for "We have no effen clue."
Elizabeth Hurley is hot. Saw the title.
Hey now! “We don’t know” is academic excellence.
"Ceremonial" is another good one. "Unknown provenance" means someone without a degree found the artifact.
😏 Yup. "Ceremonial significance." Means "Duhhh, we dunno!" 😆 I love archaeology ! 😏
yes no fvucking clue
Browning mountain in Brown county, in southern Indiana is another rampart style construction. It was said to be an abandoned quarry operation by early settlers yet there are hundreds of roughly carved (limestone?) slabs the size of a small car. Some are partially buried and others have huge trees growing over them.
Thanks again for an interesting video. I had never heard of this place.
Wow, there is a place in Pennsylvania, out in the middle of the woods, that are identical to this. It's like a maze , huge rocks everywhere. I've always felt it's a special place walking through it.
I have seen similar stone walls off a dirt road near Penn Mountain State Park in Oneida County New York. the rocks are huge and stacked. It doesn't look like anyone has lived near by in a long long time.
When I was a kid, my parents had a home in a new development up in the area called, ‘Mt Pocono’, bear Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania.
I was barely a teen, and we only went to that house a month or so a year, so I had no friends and was bored with my brother.
We would play hide and seek in the woods. It was all woods, with sparse roads, and new houses (it was a super new development).
But anyways, there were stone walls like this all over the place. No signs or anything though. We assumed, and just referred to them as the Indian Forts. lol (we were young)
But now in retrospect as an old guy, it defintiely wasn’t pilgrim/settler related, IMO.
I’ll try to find the coordinates on google maps...
Wow! That's so cool! You actually discovered those walls. It sounds like so much fun to play in those woods as a kid.
From New England here and we are fascinated by the walls. We will send pictures of what is definitely "farmer" and what we identified as presumably unknown origin. You'll get that DM soon! Love your videos and they have brought our attention to looking at the mounds here around us as something maybe a little more than what we have been taught.
Giant City! Fun trails and rock climbing sites, all you can eat chicken at the lodge, and now a mystery of history to ponder! Guess I learn something new about Giant City every day! Thanks for the video. It reminded me of the times I would explore Giant City when I was a student of SIUC.
Went down to Giant City last month (and went too SIU which is about 10 miles north. Go, Salukis!). Stone Fort is on a promontory. It's just one wall about 250 feet long. Street of the Giants is part of what is called the Nature Trail. You will find similar formations at Rim Rock about an hour east in Shawnee National Forest. Shawnee--in the middle of which Giant City State Park sits--is just a great natural resource. American Indians lived in the area, but experts are unsure about who did what when down there. That mound was interesting because I've never seen that area presented that way. Thanks, Chuck!
I've seen a similar stone all in central North Carolina. I was told they were made to control cattle but I'm not convinced. I've heard rumors that there are Indian mounds on private land near Lexington NC but locals are quiet either because they have no interest or they don't want people on their land. I love your work! Thank you.
awesome sauce Chuck! I live an hour away from giant city park, been there many times, still go actually. fascinating area, many native burials there as well. 👍🏽
Ah the famous awesome sauce!!🤗💚
@Gabriel Rabin if ur looking for scale go to RIM rock that's the giants MAZE outstandingly mimd blowing!!
@@atomspatch7632 I agree about Rim Rock. I like the Nature Trail because it was the site of my first trip to that area for my 10th birthday! But Rim Rock is just amazing!
Reminds me of Old Stone Fort in Manchester TN . 40 acre inclosure between the Duck river with rock mounds Encompassing and two parallel mounds running about 180 ft .
I have been there too several times. I used to live in TN.
I live near Old Stone Fort State Archaeological Park in Manchester TN. Very similar in discretion. Ours has an entrance that lines up with the sunrise on the summer solstice. Age 1500-2000 years. The wall trail is 1.4 miles. Weird giant legends about a cave called Bone Cave.
I went to Camp Ondessonk in the Shawnee National Forest as a child, a mere 35 mile west of Giant City State Park!
Me too. Went for 2 weeks 1 summer with my brother. We stayed in some tree houses about a mile away from the dining hall and Groto. Had to cross a suspension bridge over a lake to get there.
Had a blast, jumped off cliffs at Bell Smith Springs, hiked all over. Slept under a huge rock overhang on overnight camping trip. Shot .22 rifles. Remember it like it was yesterday. That was 30 years ago. Ozark, IL.
I never knew about this before. Thanks for sharing.
That looks really fun to hike around in!
I love your channel 👍So glad I found it. After 30 years of surface collecting ; I finally found a Clovis point in central NC.
You can’t imagine my excitement!
I love pre history of the Americas.
I’ll be watching all of your videos.
You're awesome! Thanks for all you do.
Thanks, I was sitting here after uploading my music video thinking....I forgot about something. Oh yeah.
I’ve heard southern Illinois called “little egypt” because of all of the really old monuments. I think Burrows cave is near there, supposedly a late period Egyptian tomb.
Ah yes Giant City! Going to SIU-C was the best 6 years of my life!
@J B ha! you're old
J B my first year at SIU was the last year the Halloween fest was sanctioned by the city. The following years there was riots and looting on the strip. They started calling in the National Guard. They should have just left Halloween alone!
@J B i'm aware of the riots, just poking good fun!
my girlfriend went to SIU and I loved visiting, fell in love with the area.
@J B absolutely gorgeous, not many places like that in the world. gorgeous rolling plains with rich, fertile soil, dotted by limestone karst landscape leading to the largest cave systems in the world, leading into the ozarks/smokies/appalaccia . it just feels like a place meant to be lived in, feels like walking among ancient footsteps. I've seen much of the country and not a lot compares to that area. I'm polish, and it's very similar to the land there.
@@noodlefish8228 I was thinking of the land in Kentucky. The whole area of MO, southern IL, Kentucky and Tennesse.
I didn't go to SIU.
An ancient American site I’ve yet to hear of, thank you so much for the video! You’ve got a new subscriber👍🏻
How did I miss this ????? Thanks again for your diligent work. Great video. Everything in Missouri and Illinois as far as carbon dating is extremely inaccurate.....
Thanks for your time!
They need to LIDAR the area.
I'll come down with mine sometime :)
@Mississippi Ditch Fisher They need to devise a more powerful mobile ground LIDAR and use it up close, not by airplane so it can pick up much deeper anomalies.
I Lidar once...... and fell asleep.
GodsGrace , that’s not exactly how LIDAR works. It’s looking at laser light being reflected off of vegetation, the laser light isn’t penetrating the ground. It’s picking up very subtle variations in the wavelengths of light being reflected off the vegetation. Ground and soil properties affect how the vegetation grows. Often this can’t be seen by the naked eye, but LIDAR can pick up the very subtle differences in color.
@@bobbilaval6171 Muon tomography could still be used in that manner. Perhaps it will be more widely used in the future.
makes me recall similar on Lookout Mt, near Desoto Falls Park, in northeast Alabama near Valley Head and Mentone Springs, worth looking at, have been told they were Cherokee or perhaps older
Awesome Chuck!! This is a fascinating site to me and my research suggests that this is another "trading area" as is well known by archaeologists that the Adena and Hopewell had vast trading networks and they needed areas to bring these "goods" into. These areas would need to be secure and there are many such "enclosed" areas throughout the U.S. I go over this issue thoroughly in my videos and you know what my research on the "stone walls of New England" is all about. Only a small number of the stone walls were built by "colonists" or "settlers" and they seem to be of very fine quality whereas the other walls seem rather crude to some extent with some interesting features as you know I discuss on my channel. It's a shame though that they were "dismantled" but it does show the stone was of enough fine quality and grade to build with. Loved hearing about this Chuck!! Thank you!!...;)
Thanks budcat. Just a general lame inadequate story put out about this place and it seems it never changed. I search this topic to see if you had done a video on it. :)
@@noodlefish8228 send me a link to the research. Beside the fact the Mississippian tribes carried over the trading system from the Adena, that never stopped. And multiple cultures lived right on top of each other often making it difficult to discern which cultures were there at what time period.
Literally my back yard. I walk from my house to Stone Fort often. The cliffs on the bluff are nice there.
I think one of the images in this video supposedly of the alleys of the Giant City Nature Trail is really from Panthers Den several miles away. Similar right angle rock separations happen at other bluffs around here. Kind of a geological mystery as to why.
Not a lot of petroglyphs in Giant City SP. That kind of makes me doubt the ceremonial site theory. We’ve got quite a few other petroglyph sites down here. There are other native stone walls in the region, but they are more associated with dwellings and animal enclosures. But we’re still mostly speculating
Thanks, I could have been a little more clear on the locations. Looked close on Google Earth. :)
Why is it called Giant City? Were remains of giants discovered ther?
Hey check out Castlewood State Park in Colorado. There is an ancient damn there that no one knows where it came from, when it was built,and it's incredibly massive! If you like stuff like in this video this here damn will blow your damn mind! Couldn't believe I've never heard of it. Well then again I see why it's not really main stream news or taught in schools. It definitely blows HIS story out of the water .
The Castlewood Dam in Castlewood Canyon, built in 1890, suffered an utter collapse following heavy rains at 1 am on 3 August 1933, resulting in a 15-foot wall of water rushing down Cherry Creek to Denver, some 15 miles away. Warnings to the city by 4 am allowed most people to move out of the way of the flood waters.
I found rockwall's exactly like this right in the woods at the back side of the Orange County Fairgrounds in Middletown Orange County New York to find such a thing and to have never not once even heard about all of these millions of miles of rock walls that crisscross the land from the Ohio Valley region all the way up into New York and Maine the extent of these things are absolutely preposterously huge
Funny, back in the 60's I used to visit a relative with my family to Pompton Planes NJ and in the woods there there were very similar looking stone walls running through the backs of the properties a good ways into the woods. We were told that they were military structures from the Revolutionary War, but it seems to me that the stones were too large for that.
I knew there was something in Giant city park. I could never find much on it online and the locals here either don’t speak or don’t know. There is lots to see in the park. I kept saying it was really a Giants City. Garden of the Gods as well. Oh and lookup Little Grand Canyon too. Thank you and Btw I can go get you photos as well. I’m down the road from it every day.
I went for a weekend hike down Little Grand Canyon with a group of friends from SIU one day in 1971. I have never forgotten it. I am 73 years old now. 🤩
James Burson I totally understand what you mean. It sticks in your mind for sure. My parents came down here and we took them there and it stayed with them too. I’ve never left.
Thanks for putting this one on my radar. Adding to the list of sites to see while on the road. 🤙
Hey man. Have you heard of the Cahokia mounds in Cahokia Illinois? Used to be a giants skeleton there and everything years ago. Cool stuff
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man i love your videos ,i've never heard of this place ,either.thanks for doing this really digging it
Thanks Mark.
i’ve been here several times man. its on top of a huge cliff with the wall on one end and 60 ft cliffs on the other three sides. it’s a very interesting area. there are overhangs in the park big enough to build houses in. the whole area is loaded with native american history.
Please do a video on Stlouis mounds, my icon is a picture of one On mound street in stlouis. Stlouis was named Mound city there were 25 mounds along the Mississippi River about 10 min away from Cahokia. I’m interested in finding info about the mounds in forest park in stlouis.
Thank You For Posting these videos!
It's a silo for the legendary Clovis ICBM. Got caught in a first strike.
That actually did not cross my mind.
What is the "Clovis ICBM?" First strike? I'm not new but am unaware of this. Link?
@@fishhooks100
The Clovis made ferocious big game hunting points and I was in a silly mood. Also, the rock formation reminded me of an Atlas horizontal missile silo.
It's the kind of comments I make when I've had coffee after 3pm.🤷♀️
@@fishhooks100 First strike. Younger Dryas incoming? That took out much of North America.
Dude, you renewed my hope in all mankind. I'm not even kidding. 🤗
Theres a much bigger wall in Rockwall Tx. Much more intricate with archways and chambers. Found by two ranchers on their respective properties and when followed it was learned that it was one structure. They dug a large portion of it free from earth and actually gave tours to people. The Army Corps of Engineers came in and flooded most of it with a lake. But if you know where to look there is some still accessable on private properties. I suggest looking into it.
Another great video brother keeo them coming !!!
Loved this, shared this!! Amazing.
It's interesting to wonder if their were Illinois giants there at one time as legend says. . Walls over 10 feet thick must have had some purpose.
This area is full of ancient artifacts, between the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, there are numerous rock overhangs. I found one large overhang full of artifacts and the soil under the overhang is black with a texture like pumice, I assume this is from thousands of years on camp fires.
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'reconstructed'... or de-constructed (messed up) to obliterate any evidence of any sort of organised previous ownership of the lands.
Yeah, I get the frustration. But they were trying to preserve this site as early as 1934. That's pretty rare for that time.
Source?
yep New England is one giant stone wall you can't miss any walking through the woods that used to be farms. I've seen some pretty interesting field stone structures though that used to be dwellings or storage facilities.
At 2:55 the Giants Road looks a whole lot like the Via Cavas that New Earth shows in Italy and, if I remember correctly, all the way to Turkey. The high cut walls and cut marks are eerily similar. Same builders and/or culture?
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I think it's a designated hunting area. Something resembling a buffalo jump with a slaughter house and possibly a lodge or lodges.
Because it's near a cliff that signals a possible area to successfully get wild game in larger numbers at one time to feed large numbers of families or Tribes.
Back in the old days Tribes that shared a hunting area would already have designated times each Tribe could hunt with out problems.
With the remnants and wonderful input from the comment section, that is the theory that makes most sense for me.
Thanks for sharing this video with us.
Blessings!
I have been there. It's really an interesting place. I highly recomend it.
Ok I live in Illinois and never knew of this...Cool as hell
you mention new england stone walls near the end, I have built 1.5 miles of restoration, original freestanding style walls, mostly off route 1 and 95. A bunch of the walls we were working on go below the current surface of the road by up to 3-4 feet, and can have really large (500-1000lb+) stones at the base,. I was looking for signs of anomalous construction the entire time I worked out there, but I only may have found it once, tube drill holes and flat planes in granite on a ruined wall, most likely 'modern', but quite rare. I will try to swing through this site my next pass through that state, thanks
The archeologist's three pat answers. Tombs, temples or palaces/fortifications
Could these be related to some of the dry stone walls/structures out east
yes, such stone walls seem to be linked throughout New England in Rhode Island and Massachusettes.
it has been suggested that such stone structures were covered up to conceal them, or even destroyed by the settlers as they moved in.
one thing is certain: some of the stones that were moved in these regions were very massive. And the sheer number of stones moved seems daunting and from a time when the entire world seem to be obsessed with building stone structures.
I've been there several times. My family is from the area (Marion) and I went to school in Carbondale. I'm a Lewis.
I'd like to see radar images and see what might be buried in and around the site.
Thanks for the video. It's thought-provoking.
Prince Madoc of Wales came here with 700 ships on 563AD. His burial site was found on Bat Creek Tennesee. The Mandan Tribe are Welsh descendents. They built stone fortifications.
First I've heard this, do you have reference I can study? 700 might be a trading venture. Exciting!
I’m from this area. The mound has potholes found around the sight from previous structures
We have a stone wall on our hunting land. Found it to be the first loggers in MN did it. Guessing it was for a road. Shame we have such young growth here now.
I've seen a lot of dry stone walls in England, but I very much doubt there's any correlation; they are fascinating to see.
Never heard of this "Giant City". Another mystery added to my list of unsolvable relics.
Thanks Uplink X. Just heard of this place about a month ago. Ten Sites like it? My ancient America list is never ending.
A man I used to know who has long since passed who was 115 years old when I was 10 years old in Plainfeild Indiana said of the ruins it was of Norse or Vikings who built it ,,,,, as from a Indian friend of mine said also , he is a Wai Indian in Terre Haute Indiana.
There is a similar wall at Ft Mountain State Park in Georgia. This wall also has an uncertain history.
Whenever is see piles of rocks like this all i think as this is actually an even far older site that was built out of bigger stones but has been destroyed..then later inhabitants used the pile of demolished ruins and stacked it like this
That is my thought as well. I hike all over the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia and see these megalithic blocks and walls every where. Maybe the mountains are not natural mountains after all and the caves are the rooms of the giants.
Thank you. I’m definitely going to check this out.
Rock lake Wisconsin has pyramids under water
I've been there and I havent found anything honestly,and there is also an America Unearthed episode
But when you look for above,you see a Triangle from the lake so idk what there is
@@jigglycupcake2766 America Unearthed is a borderline pseudoscience program.
I've lived in Southern Indiana my whole life just a stone's throw from Angel Mounds. I'm not an expert, but I've seen just about every mound site in the area and that photo looks like a mound to me. When you have flat land in every direction except for a hill or two it's pretty safe to think it's man-made.
All your videos are cool! Thank you!
Coincidence, they say its the home to the “Lewis” people. A lewis, were told is a very important tool for lifting and setting stone in place. Awesome videos.
I have been there several times (i live nearby, (closer to Mississippi river) and have explored lots of other places in surrounding areas. The area of southernmost illinois (aka Little Egypt) is filled with petraglyph sites and other Indian mounds
I lived near Giant City Park for 15 years.
I've recently heard about rock mulching, I wonder if it may have been anything related to that. They could be up to 6 feet tall so that is a wall of a sort .
This enclosure would have been an excellent protective corral for livestock. The nearby hill looks like a spiny rock outcrop, that would have produced the slab type stones used in the walls. It may have been the quarry, or there may have been a similar strata very near the enclosure. Either way, it looks like a fair amount of energy was expended to produce this enclosure!
My curiosity is attracted to the question, why the giants, with the mounds. As we have seen in other videos, many of these giant habitations did have a mounds in the vicinity. Makes me wonder about lovelock cave too being in relation to the mounds as the cave structure is shaped like a mound
Your voice at the very end gave me chills!
Wow, What an interesting place ! I'm sure that with some of the most recent discoveries of human occupation in Ohio and recently in CA dating a human presence far older than what academia says. May make this and other sites far older. Like the buried stone walls in Tx that were unearthed and then poo poo'd as natural geological formations. Makes one want to start a go fund me account to set up a lidar research team to investigate these site more publicly. Lidar of the surrounding areas that may be buried and not ruined by home builders. Might yield interesting info ? Just a thought ??? Thumbs up ! Thanks for sharing.
Chuck, this reminds me of the of the ruins found in Quebec Canada by Steve theland LeTerrain. Any Thoughts?
Strange that it was built so uneven and on multiple elevations. There may be some of the original wall buried below ground that can be looked at maybe to see how it was constructed. Which might give a clue?
Thanks & hello from Plano, Illinois
We love Giant City! 💗
Aspects of it remind me of the stone remnants on Fort Mountain in north Georgia...which are suggested to be linked to the “Welsh-Madoc” notional stream, as this one is. “Loose stone” construction similar in both places, but no one knows what it looked like when ‘found’ by white colonials, either. One definite difference between the two is Fort Mtn show *no* sign of megalithic blocks used, though Illinois site seems to have at least one portion which to my eyes DOES incorporate megalithic/cyclopean blocks (@2:46, right-hand side in the image)
Hi, these walls remind me of the remains of the 'hill forts' found in North Wales. Some of these along the Clwydian range above the Vale of Clwyd are far to large to defend, so may be for enclosing livestock and / or tribal meetings.
With regard to the 'Prince Madoc' legend, there is no record of such a prince. However, that does not mean that he could not have been an illegitimate son of a local ruler. The site where he is reputed to have left from is between Rhos-on-Sea and Craig Yr Don in North Wales. Interestingly it is below the site of Bryn Euryn, a hill with a reputed Early Medieval fort on it with the later Medieval fortified Llys Euryn, home of the 'Prime Minister' of the Welsh Princes of Gwynedd. So someone named Madoc could have left this area and looked for lands described by Viking seafarers / traders. 👍
Preciate you sharing this information bro, keep more coming out of North America, there is history here that invaders tried to completely wipe out, people need to see all you share
@ 3:58, That is about as chaotic as a stone wall gets. Is that the reconstruct or is that the original wall ? If it is a reconstruction, it's not worth a damn. If it's the original , does it speak of an immediate need for a protective barrier ? You even commented on how "general" the descriptive was. The "STREET of the GIANTS @ 2:53, measures up.... It almost compels "Glacial energy" to place the top on that fortress..., or maybe just a very large GIANT.
I've never heard why it's called Giant City, but I can try and find out 🤙🏽😎
There's a park. Go there and you'll see the giant rocks. GIANT ROCKS.
@Gene Hasenbuhler It's been erased and covered up for so long, so people don't want to believe giants existed.
I'm from Makanda, ie, there. There are huge fissures that can be walked through and legend has it that the name comes from the native peoples.
Built by giants. They just don't want to admit it.
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I was born and lived most of my life in Marion. Love to go hiking Giant City State park is a nice place to visit. So are Fern Cliff , Lake Glendale and so on. The Shawnee National Forest has great places to visit and live around.
Thanks for the video.🍀
Interesting!!
Could it have been some kind of dam or irrigation/water direction usage?
You should look into the Worthington mound in Worthington Indiana