Important Notice: Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to watch and engage with this video. It's come to my attention that some viewers believe the content might be fake. I want to clarify that these claims are unfounded, likely due to the spread of fake cockpit voice recordings that have surfaced recently. For further assurance, I encourage you to watch Fly With Magnar's video where he, as one of the top ATR 72 experts on TH-cam, thoroughly discusses the transcript. Nothing about it seemed fake to him, and his expertise in this area is widely recognized. You can check out his video here: th-cam.com/video/vWrCv-woNV8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9iWW5dpJzLXtdHf3 I hope this helps clear up any confusion. Let's keep the discussion respectful and focused on the facts. --- English subtitles added! Viewer discretion advised. If you’re Interested in supporting the work that I do here on TH-cam here is a link, your donations will go towards the wiki I am currently building on aviation accidents: buymeacoffee.com/alexhoe02
why are you coping, its fake, someone unknowingly taking a reconstitued cvr as a real one does not mean its a real cvr. here are the literal evidence as of why its fake 1: the atc conversation doesnt have any static, which is an obvious sign its fake. yep, up to 2024, atc conversation still has static 2: the "nepali" crew on the cvr does not sound like a nepali, rather, they sound either british or are made by underaged people 3: the stall alarm of the cvr is incorrect from the other stall alarm in the other CVR featuring an ATR. it seems like that stall alarm is just a stock airbus stall alarm 4: the scream is literally a stock scream sound effect from freesound, look it up 5: the person who made this cvr (Christopher Carrera) is notoriously known for faking other CVRs and passing as real
A big mistake, lack of cross checking and a high workload was a factor in the accident. It baffles how the captain failed to recognise that he grabbed the condition levers which are different in size compared to the flap handle.
It was not just one. It was several. It's inexcusable from the senior pilot. First he feathered the airplane, then he didn't noticed like 10 warning lamps or the Torque 0 indicatior. If he had seen the warnings, he should have noticed it. But he didn't. Very badly trained it seems. Nepal is banned from the EU because they've had such a crash record and no seperate body for control over their flight training.
This appears to be a legitimate leak for all intents and purposes. Anyone claiming it's fake, on what basis can you possibly postulate this being fake? Anyone saying it's fake, please explain what about this could possibly be fake. This sounds just as real as any other of the dozens of real cockpit voice recordings I've heard. Something like this would be extremely difficult to fake so convincingly. And that's coming from somebody who has been editing audio for the past 20 plus years.
@@JjWeiss-ox9mz Yes, I was born in 1991, and I started editing audio when I was 12-13. Before Half-Life 2 came out I was editing and recording a bunch of sounds for half-life, replacing all the sounds in the game with my own sounds for fun. And I did lots of music editing with things like Adobe Audition. What's hard to believe about that?
here are the literal evidence as of why its fake 1: the atc conversation doesnt have any static, which is an obvious sign its fake. yep, up to 2024, atc conversation still has static 2: the "nepali" crew on the cvr does not sound like a nepali, rather, they sound either british or are made by underaged people 3: the stall alarm of the cvr is incorrect from the other stall alarm in the other CVR featuring an ATR. it seems like that stall alarm is just a stock airbus stall alarm 4: the scream is literally a stock scream sound effect from freesound, look it up 5: the person who made this cvr (Christopher Carrera) is notoriously known for faking other CVRs and passing as real
@BTAlton then why did Fly with Magnar not point out any of those things? Including the stall sound? If it sounded perfectly realistic to him, and he has far more experience than either of us when it comes to ATR-72s, why do you think you're more of an expert than him? How could this have been faked? If this was a fake, it's a world-class edit. Not many people can do that kind of audio editing.
@@AkbarAli-ht1rsthere's absolutely nothing about this that would indicate it's a recreation. It's extremely difficult to fake something like this so convincingly, both in terms of the acting and the audio quality. Getting two native speakers together to convincingly give a performance that's very similar to that dozens of other real cockpit voice recordings out there, it would have to be a relatively high budget production with an expert audio engineer. I've been editing audio for 20 plus years and there's nothing about this that gives away anything about it being fake. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. There is no evidence of this being fake. If you can provide any, please do, but otherwise please do not try to spread misinformation by baselessly claiming that this is fake.
I don't know why almost everyone thinks this CVR is fake, I've been recreating CVRs for years and it's impossible to have a result like this, I can confirm that it's not TTS and it's impossible to put two real people as actors, nobody believes it because it's only been a year.
Terrible CRM... I understand it is a difficult and stressful approach but confusing the throttle with the flaps level is unforgivable. The FO sounds unsure of herself throughout and had ample opportunity to notice the mistake too. Neither of them seemed qualified and I would never fly in Nepal.
If anyone can provide a shred of evidence of this being fake, Alex has already said he would delete the video immediately. So far nobody has done so, telling me that this seems to be a case of herd mentality.
@@CVRATC_CNAADA there's plenty of evidence that it's real; it's pretty self-evident. There is absolutely zero evidence, though, of it being fake. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. There's plenty of corroborating evidence of this being real. The audio quality is something that would be hard to fake, as well as the language and acting. It appears you're not aware of the concept of the burden of proof. If you're trying to assert something that's different from what appears to be evident, then it requires evidence. And the burden of proof is on the person making that claim.
Important Notice: Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to watch and engage with this video. It's come to my attention that some viewers believe the content might be fake. I want to clarify that these claims are unfounded, likely due to the spread of fake cockpit voice recordings that have surfaced recently.
For further assurance, I encourage you to watch Fly With Magnar's video where he, as one of the top ATR 72 experts on TH-cam, thoroughly discusses the transcript. Nothing about it seemed fake to him, and his expertise in this area is widely recognized. You can check out his video here: th-cam.com/video/vWrCv-woNV8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9iWW5dpJzLXtdHf3
I hope this helps clear up any confusion. Let's keep the discussion respectful and focused on the facts.
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English subtitles added! Viewer discretion advised.
If you’re Interested in supporting the work that I do here on TH-cam here is a link, your donations will go towards the wiki I am currently building on aviation accidents: buymeacoffee.com/alexhoe02
why are you coping, its fake, someone unknowingly taking a reconstitued cvr as a real one does not mean its a real cvr. here are the literal evidence as of why its fake
1: the atc conversation doesnt have any static, which is an obvious sign its fake. yep, up to 2024, atc conversation still has static
2: the "nepali" crew on the cvr does not sound like a nepali, rather, they sound either british or are made by underaged people
3: the stall alarm of the cvr is incorrect from the other stall alarm in the other CVR featuring an ATR. it seems like that stall alarm is just a stock airbus stall alarm
4: the scream is literally a stock scream sound effect from freesound, look it up
5: the person who made this cvr (Christopher Carrera) is notoriously known for faking other CVRs and passing as real
@@BTAlton bruh, the original uploader of this CVR was a News media TH-cam Channel, I just share it because is the real audio
Sad how one mistake costed the lives of 72 people
A big mistake, lack of cross checking and a high workload was a factor in the accident. It baffles how the captain failed to recognise that he grabbed the condition levers which are different in size compared to the flap handle.
It was not just one. It was several. It's inexcusable from the senior pilot. First he feathered the airplane, then he didn't noticed like 10 warning lamps or the Torque 0 indicatior. If he had seen the warnings, he should have noticed it. But he didn't. Very badly trained it seems. Nepal is banned from the EU because they've had such a crash record and no seperate body for control over their flight training.
Not so fun fact: the F/O’s Father also died in a plane crash (I think it’s the Pakistan A300 one)
The screams towards the end though
squeeky mouse
This appears to be a legitimate leak for all intents and purposes. Anyone claiming it's fake, on what basis can you possibly postulate this being fake? Anyone saying it's fake, please explain what about this could possibly be fake. This sounds just as real as any other of the dozens of real cockpit voice recordings I've heard. Something like this would be extremely difficult to fake so convincingly. And that's coming from somebody who has been editing audio for the past 20 plus years.
You've been editing audio since 2004?
@@JjWeiss-ox9mz Yes, I was born in 1991, and I started editing audio when I was 12-13. Before Half-Life 2 came out I was editing and recording a bunch of sounds for half-life, replacing all the sounds in the game with my own sounds for fun. And I did lots of music editing with things like Adobe Audition. What's hard to believe about that?
here are the literal evidence as of why its fake
1: the atc conversation doesnt have any static, which is an obvious sign its fake. yep, up to 2024, atc conversation still has static
2: the "nepali" crew on the cvr does not sound like a nepali, rather, they sound either british or are made by underaged people
3: the stall alarm of the cvr is incorrect from the other stall alarm in the other CVR featuring an ATR. it seems like that stall alarm is just a stock airbus stall alarm
4: the scream is literally a stock scream sound effect from freesound, look it up
5: the person who made this cvr (Christopher Carrera) is notoriously known for faking other CVRs and passing as real
@BTAlton then why did Fly with Magnar not point out any of those things? Including the stall sound? If it sounded perfectly realistic to him, and he has far more experience than either of us when it comes to ATR-72s, why do you think you're more of an expert than him? How could this have been faked? If this was a fake, it's a world-class edit. Not many people can do that kind of audio editing.
The last seconds are horrifying... 😢
Why is it so clear? Do u think they released the real one?
Absolutely
No, this CVR was leaked, not released
seems like the checklist at the end was just a rehearsed paragraph, no checks actually done
Where do you find the photo pilot
News articles 🙂
How is the CVR released in less than a year 🤨
What do you mean? It has been a year
It’s been over a year, judging by the quality of the audio I believe it’s been leaked.
@@alexhoe02 yep your right, but idk why I think that this is most likely a recreation 🤔 I might be wrong
@@AkbarAli-ht1rsthere's absolutely nothing about this that would indicate it's a recreation. It's extremely difficult to fake something like this so convincingly, both in terms of the acting and the audio quality. Getting two native speakers together to convincingly give a performance that's very similar to that dozens of other real cockpit voice recordings out there, it would have to be a relatively high budget production with an expert audio engineer. I've been editing audio for 20 plus years and there's nothing about this that gives away anything about it being fake. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. There is no evidence of this being fake. If you can provide any, please do, but otherwise please do not try to spread misinformation by baselessly claiming that this is fake.
I don't know why almost everyone thinks this CVR is fake, I've been recreating CVRs for years and it's impossible to have a result like this, I can confirm that it's not TTS and it's impossible to put two real people as actors, nobody believes it because it's only been a year.
We're the original source?
Yes men. We are the original source 😂
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4:57 fear
I think ive seen this and heard this cvr before
Terrible CRM... I understand it is a difficult and stressful approach but confusing the throttle with the flaps level is unforgivable. The FO sounds unsure of herself throughout and had ample opportunity to notice the mistake too. Neither of them seemed qualified and I would never fly in Nepal.
Yeah it's insane. and then missing all warning signs and also ignoring "no torque". Like how?! Plus not following flaps protocol.
@@LordOfSwedenthe first officer noticed the 0 torque indication but the captain seemed unconcerned about it
Real cvr ?
@@Haris2401-gd7fj Can you read the pinned comment please.
@@alexhoe02 Oh okay sorry
escuche muchos cvrs y reeconstrucciones y esto es real
I know the problem airplane the Capitan which their wrong flap their turn off the engine
Feathered not off
This is fake alex😢
If anyone can provide a shred of evidence of this being fake, Alex has already said he would delete the video immediately. So far nobody has done so, telling me that this seems to be a case of herd mentality.
@@R2Bl3nd Do you have proof that it is true?
@@CVRATC_CNAADA there's plenty of evidence that it's real; it's pretty self-evident. There is absolutely zero evidence, though, of it being fake. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. There's plenty of corroborating evidence of this being real. The audio quality is something that would be hard to fake, as well as the language and acting. It appears you're not aware of the concept of the burden of proof. If you're trying to assert something that's different from what appears to be evident, then it requires evidence. And the burden of proof is on the person making that claim.
@@R2Bl3nd In Nepal there is a law that says not to make these recordings public due to the sensitivity of the victims' families.
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