The single, biggest innovation in hockey equipment was the addition of foam and plastics. My first pair of goalie pads were entirely leather, felt and horse hair. They weighed a ton. Goalie pads today are so incredibly light and can attach to your legs so securely that you could never play in the NHL with a pair of 1960s goalie pads.
Regarding the "Two Blockers" and Dan Blackburn, the non-stick holding glove was dubbed a "glocker" on the old GSBB. Look close and you'll see the webbing of a catch glove on that hand. This is because Vaughn essentially added a blocker board to a catch glove. This allowed Dan to have the ability to safely cover a puck as if he was wearing a glove.
Pad extenders, goalies started having flaps attached to their leg pads to make them wider when they went down into the butterfly and retracted when they stood up. They were quickly banned
@@ajaytazzdemona8360 Are you talking about thigh boards? They really didn’t extend the pads. They did help close up the 5 hole. The NHL required that they tuck into the pants. New pad design made them obsolete anyway.
Fascinating video. Just bonkers how these guys fiddled with designs to make their play more effective. The adjustments to make the goalie look monstrous were so cool. Resourceful guys. :)
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
@@grandslack962 you can still find companies that will make Curtis Curves. Small stick companies. The Vic and Christian versions from the 80s and 90s were so heavy.
The equipment I used in the 60s 70s were primitive heavy wool.arm and shoulder protection not good.I took the shoulder caps off a catchers chest protecter,and sewed it onto the shoulder area of my chest protecter.I cut the material off the catchers chest protecter and sewed it on the sides of my goalie chest protecter to protect my ribs,also sewed a mesh net between the crouch of my goalie pants Esposito did this.Finally in the 80s,Brown,Vaughn,and others started to make a lot lighter and a hell of a lot more protective gear.Remember back in the days you were getting crashed in the net.Got injured several times,but that was the nature of the beast.What a great sport!Thomas A. Filipiak
You could have included the Heaton puck foils that had an incredibly short life in the NHL; there was also the Brian's Ridge pant that had oversized blocks on the sides that flared out to provide extra coverage when the goalie crouched into their stance.
Thanks for this educational and highly entertaining video. It was put together very well and I quite enjoyed it. Now I need to check out what else you have on your channel.
In one interview, Dominik Hasek talked about having used cylinders made of hard foam which he had attached to the side of his arms. It used to be legal until some point. He admitted that this had helped him to make the save on Ray Bourque during the shootout against Canada in Nagano.
A very well-done video. it was fun to look back on some of the changes goaltending equipment went through. I learned a few things. I have never seen the two blocker set-up that Dan Blackburne used. That was fun to see, imagine attempting to play pro like that. I only ever played rec hockey but I loved trying the latest fancy equipment ideas. I used the Curtis curve for years. I believe the idea was first conceived to line the heel of the stick up with the shaft of the stick to feel more like a forward's stick when you were shooting the puck. With the bend just above the paddle, the poke check took some redevelopment. Unlike the typical goal stick when using the paddle down technique the flat lay down of the top half of the stick above the blocker presented over 5 feet of stick right along the ice that most pucks did not get under. The bend at the top of the stick was beneficial for picking up a dropped stick. , but in the paddle-down position, that same hook at the top end of the stick kept a lot of pucks in front of you. For a time I had the GM-LGDC. It was a great glove. To add to your comments, the rollover design along the top of the cheater stopped a lot of pucks from hitting the cheater and still getting by. THE PROBLEM WAS IT WAS DEEMED ILLEGAL. The glove was so big and obvious that you were accused of cheating every game, so you stopped bringing it out. I also used the angled blocker that stuck out away from your body and therefore covered even more net. I also was pleased to discover the power blades. They stopped the pad from picking your blade off the ice. The BIG shirt had many advantages. But it was what was hidden under the shirts that was the real cheating. I understand that for a time with the Avalanche under Pat Roy's very large shirt he inserted "wings," extra padding attached to his gut pad (body armour )that stuck out and helped fill the holes between the belly and the arms. Earlier than most of these innovations D&R developed a knee pad that went under the paint and protected the very venerable thigh and knee area between your pads and your goal paints. I went through a few sets of these and then they went off the market for a while. When I finally found another set my old set were covered in tape repairs. This was effective safety wear. Thanks for collecting some very good footage and photos to illustrate some of the odd and not so obvious goaltending equipment developments.
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
I used the Curtis curve stick for most of my youth hockey (specifically the exact eagle brand one shown). During that time, goalie coaches were teaches the paddle down technique. I personally found the curvature to be extremely beneficial for the paddle down technique but I stopped using the Curtis curve when I started playing high school hockey as that was the “stay tall in the butterfly” era and we no longer did paddle down.
I had a Curtis Curve that I used now and again. The problem I always had with it was the paddle-down advantages pretty much went away if you put a knob of any significant size on the end. And the heal of those sticks was really abrupt (as opposed to ones that kind of curved from the back of the paddle to the bottom of the blade), making puck handling really rough.
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
Fluery was struggling and the year before they beat Ottawa in the playoffs he was sent to a Sports Physiologist in Ottawa (of all places). She suggested the change, and things slowly started to get better from there. He still sees that person to this day.
I had overdrives back in the day and it really did provide an advantage. Fast forward to today and now I’m trying to shake a bad habit (because of the overdrives) of only power pushing from the toe versus full blade.
I've used a majority of these... Step steel, OD blades, cheater, "oversized pads". Funnily enough my pads I got after the rule changes were actually larger than the ones I had in the 00's. Going from 12" wide to 11" wide made pads much more maneuverable and the outlawing of the thighboards (which could have made your list) made the ability and the need for taller pads. I never had a Curtis curve, but I always wanted the top curve part. I even went as far as bending my own wooden stick to match that style. Of course you can't really make your own bends in modern composite sticks. I love sweep checking skaters trying to wrap around, the top curve allowed the stick to be flush to the ice on its side because it raised the knob off the ice (from my memory the whole point of the Curtis curve was to have a flush to the ice stick, I don't remember anything about changing the grip for the glove). You might have a point though, they started to disappear around the same time the "Turco grip" became the standard way to play the puck. Using your glove over hand instead of under on the stick.
Great observations, I almost included thigh boards in this video, if I ever do another ten items, I think I will include thigh boards in it the next go round.
I pulled the thigh boards off my old TPS 12 " pads and put them on my newer 11" pads. Since they have the plus 2, I don't get hit in the knee often, but why take the chance. Plus I only play in an old-timers league, and no one is going to make a fuss if I wear them.
@@noydb-1 I got my newer 11" pads custom made with thighboards. I just prefer them over the idea of knee guards. Thighboards don't even touch your knees, they can't transfer any energy to them. And like you, I just play in beer leagues.
Over drive is banned in many lower level hockey associations and leagues due to advantage and safety. Also for the Cheater, it was discovered that having a reinforced section along the medial wrist actually helped prevent wrist injuries by dispersing the force of the impact and to help keep the glove from twisting when the puck hits the pocket.
Re: Garth Snow.....Every time a goalie is playing really well the puck just seems to hit them, and they don't have to make many crazy saves. That's because when an elite goalie is at the top of his game, he's always in position to make the save, and when he's in the right position, the save usually looks routine.
He was using a box lacrosse goalie chest protector. They evolved over time as early gear was made by Cooper and similar to their hockey gear of the time. Boddam is one brand you can look up if you'e not familiar with such gear already.
The overdrive blades wreaked my knee. Went to push to one side and the blade stayed in its position while I was sliding back the other way. Was out for the season. And took those blades off.
When I saw those, injury was my first thought. I get what they were going for in principle, but the potential for it grabbing and your ligaments taking the brunt of that force seemed highly likely. The taller blades made sense. Goalie equipment and the uniforms give hockey the best aesthetic in sports. The goalie helmets especially give the game so much character. Makes me really miss the locker room and getting gear on before a game. Just don't get how it's the 4th major sport in the States. It's fast action not 5 seconds of action then stop for almost a minute before action resumes. Or worse, 3 hours invested for 5 minutes of actual action (looking at you baseball 😂). I understand basketball's appeal, also fast flowing athleticism on display. But then hockey also brings the violent collisions of football, the fighting, which can admittedly be a draw or drawback depending on your stance, and incredible skill and coordination of skating and puck handling. Ah well, I'll dismount the soap box, enjoyed the video, hope to see more soon. Perhaps about the differing curves over the years, and of specific players. I remember so many guys wanting the Coffey curve back in the day...
I bought one once because it was the only right curve the pro shop had. Wasn't a fan. But then again I miss the straight stick and wish I could still get them.
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
the curtis curve was sick i had one back in the day, but you couldnt snap out a poke check as swiftly as a straight shaft, the little curve at the knob was cool for a dropped stick though
Louisville had a trigger grip on the paddle of their goal sticks in the late 80’s. I tried them a couple times, but they tended to foul up my poke check so I didn’t stick with them. I still miss playing with a Hrudey pattern Vic goal stick though. My favourite stick of all time lol
I do miss the form fitting stuff, not for what it physically was, but for the variation of goalie styles it brought with it. Even when equipment got bigger, much of that style still stuck around for some time. But as goalie pads became more and more specially designed to increase the effectiveness of the butterfly style, it became disadvantageous to play any other style, which is why, largely, we don’t see much variation anymore. And why I personally don’t really watch hockey anymore. :’)
Classic gear could be made larger then. But more size increased weight significantly. But guys like Tony Esposito and Bryan Hayward wore pads that were wider than allowed. Tom Barrasso played at the end of his career in butterfly style Vaughn Velocity pads. He was stand up as they came. It’s possible but the butterfly is more effective with less work.
@@oscarwinner2034 Butterfly became the preferred style for math reasons, and equipment changed to accommodate and improve the effectiveness of that. I'll always have a soft spot for the people who played other ways tho. I remember seeing in interviews players talking about how the hardest goalies to score against were the weird ones, cause they didn't know what they were gonna do. I guess that implies that these days every player knows exactly what most goalkeepers are gonna do, it just becomes a matter of executing on what is supposed to beat it... from their perspective anyway. It's a lot harder to teach unpredictability tho than it is to just teach the butterfly, heh. Takes a special kind of person to make that kind of thing work.
@@FritzyBeat No kidding. I’m late 40s now and still play. I started out playing making kick saves and skate saves. Over the years you change with the times. The RVH of today is tough on old hips! I still occasionally pull some old style saves out. Totally baffles the younger players.
Shout out to Dan Blackburn, i played against him in baseball when we were younger. Dude was stellar at baseball and it'd too bad what happened to him with the injury. Canmore had the nicest diamond to play on by far.
Kudos for this video from across the Atlantic! Very interesting overview of the development of the equipment. A little joke: now I know that not only the goalkeeper masks of the 60s and 70s could scare little children. The gloves at 01:53 look like something out of a 30s horror movie 🙂
6:53 I believe that these additional goalie blades would help reduce the number of groin, knee, and other injuries we often see in goalies from push-offs that caused injury. I'm sometimes (okay, quite often) left scratching my head at decisions made by the NHL. Okay, perhaps it's an advantage, but if it's available to all goalies, then all goalies will have the same advantage, if they so choose. Most (if not all) goalies take advantage of other "advantages", like the max size of the goalie pads, or catching mitt, etc.
Overdrive blades are legit. They’re illegal in a lot of leagues, but for guys with hip or knee issues, they’re life changing. They’re also valid in helping build into getting your main blade to bite, or as a backup if you miss your blade in a scrum. When I used them, I’d always try to get some of my main blade to hit and the overdrive. One thing that’s kinda near for goalies.. roller fly. I moved to Hawaii for a while where ice hockey wasn’t so great. There’s a really nice roller facility out west in Oahu. There’s a guy named Io who plays jet out there, him and his buddy designed and we’re behind the invention of the roller fly. Thing makes roller a little more like ice for goalies. Much easier on the knees! Guys going from ice to roller who will drop and try to slide laterally.. your legs stick and can wreck your knees. But roller fly lets you slide a little I liked the trigger finger paddle too! One more tie in to that.. I learned this from Garret Sparks in the GGSU days.. I’d save my teammates fancy broken sticks and I would re shaft some cracked goalie sticks. I had this passau I reshafted with a fancy flex stick. Thing so soooooo nice for smooth sauceys up the ice. That extra little “umph” from the flex just make it so effortless
Hockey is full of odd gear ideas from small companies or individuals that just didn't take off. Here are a few more that could be fun investigating!: 1. The Onezee Goalie mask 2. The "Kozac" Cut Goalie stick 3. Sever Goaltending and the replaceable pad face 4. Vaughn's inner pad nylon cuts ala Vaughn V2
@@themightymite5688 I almost forgot about those nylon pieces on the V2. Vaughn did not sell many of those... Why they thought slowing down lateral slides was a good idea is beyond me.
@@FlexibleToast Yeah, it was a sign something was off when Vaughn made those nylon cuts stock and almost every pro goalie immediately requested no cut-outs on their V2s.
What about a mess pocket sewn into the goalie pants to save pucks shot in the old five hole. I got this tip from a Tony Esposito book he wrote in the 60s.It was a delay of game penalty and I got caught when a guy I use to have on our team went to another team.Tom Filipiak
@@tomfilipiak3511 similar to that, I heard of goalies back then running rope through their jersey connecting gloves to pants or chest protector. Essentially turning their jersey into a web to catch pucks going between your arm and body.
Surprised the angled blockers like the Vaughn Vision of the mid 90's and I think Brown had one as well, aren't included. Also there were pads that had an illusion design to confuse shooters.
Great vid. Tony O had at one time a puce of netting sewn to the inner area of the thigh of his goal pants. Would catch shots that mighr have gobd 5 hole. 😊
So the netting pattern thing is against the rules in modern hockey Rule 11.1 prohibits Goalies from using "any contrivance which would give him undue assistance in keeping goal".
WTF is “due” assistance then? Too many rules, not enough athleticism. I played goalie growing up & was GLAD I was small (I only grew to 5’4”) ‘cuz goalie was the only viable position for such! Now, I don’t think there’s a net minder under 6’! “Geesh”!
Lol....Snowy!!! Damn league...always changing the rulebook because of my Flyers lol. The rulebook like trippled in pages after the Flyers cup wins in the 70s lol. Always gotta be keeping Philly down....lol.
I went to a goalie camp where the coach would always tell the same story about JS Giguere using a steel rod attached to his pants to lift his chest protector like those weird fan lizards when he went down for a save.
I had a ginormous cheater back in the day. When I got my new "Compliant" trapper, I realized that the cheater was only useful if you tightened your trapper to "near blood circulation stopping." At the same time I was using the cheater, I was using straight 33 inch pads (no +1, 2... I am 6 foot tall). I went to a 32 +1 and now I have 36 +2 pads. So, I kind of went one way on one aspect, and the complete opposite on another. I have standard skates, chesty, and pants.
Loved the cartoon I saw (looooong time ago) with the refs, a guy with Long Johns on and a coach standing around the goal, with rule book in hand. It looked like a goalie was positioned in front of the net. And the caption read "But he has to be IN the equipment."
yeah cause they were made differently they absorbed moisture, a goalie's leg pads could weigh as much as 5 to 10 lbs more after a game then when it started.
The overdrives are a great idea for butterfly goalies to increase mobility, but they tend to come off too easily, especially if you drill the holes too wide or deep.
Very Good video. One thing I didn't see mentioned was the improvement to the goalie cup. Sure made me a better goalie. Back in the 60's arm guards and chest protectors were separate pieces. Your arms would get beat up and there were gaps around the shoulders. Most goalies preferred to catch pucks rather then take them with the body. With the better goalie cups going down and stopping with the body became the better way to provide coverage. This helped to create the butterfly style that we see today.
Probably could have added Patrick Roy's bat wing jerseys, or Tony Esposito's 5 hole web on his pants. Actually found an old Cooper Legends full right glove on ebay a couple years ago, but got sniped at the last minute. Would have loved to seen the reaction of the shooters who already freak out about me being backwards, if I was wearing that bushel basket on the "wrong" hand.
I forget but wasn't there a plastic insert that goalie would use that dropped down from the base of their pads around the toe cap area that prevented puck from sneaking under them?
dang, I used the curtis curve stick throughout highschool hockey and into college int he early 2000's. I fucking loved that thing, still have quite a few of them in the basement. I was able to play the puck much better and when poke checking felt better for me and made it easy to get back into the normal grip/stance.
Curiously enough i just tried playing a pick up hockey game with two blockers, weird at first but not that far out. I didn't got scored on the glove side. One thing I did noticed was that when trying to get up after a save where I kinda two pad stack slided I wasn't able to support my self with the left hand blocker to get up it was a way to weird of a feeling! but I'm not goin to do that again. Maybe switch sides all over.
I know the knob on Hasek's stick was different. Instead of being centred on his stick like everyone else, it was to one side so that when he dropped his stick which he did alot it was much easier to pick up. I tried that and used it for the rest of my career
Along those lines, every goalie I ever knew used about a roll and a half for their knob. I asked why once and was told it was for poke checking and not losing your stick, and picking it up off the ice.
And then there was a goalie who was famous for building up the tape knob about 6" down from the end of the shaft so that he could still use it as an eye-gouger. I'm thinking it was maybe Billie Smith or Ron Hextall. Someone from that era and hockey culture.
The one thing I noticed missing from this video were those little "door" flaps that used to be attached just above the knee in the pads, and were meant to seal off the five-hole when in butterfly. I know they were in style when I was in high school, but that was a long time ago (and probably died around the same time too)
He won the Vezina SIX TIMES?? SIIICK! Im a new Tendy,ive been picked to play in the womens competitive league/ at some point try a "skate on" try out for a scholarship. Im ambidextrous as well. Ive opted to play FR. Even though he was a hab...thats amazing!! #LFG!! #TENDY❤
Snow wore a box lacrosse chest protector. As they are stand up in that game, the upper body has more bulk/padding in the chest and arms than found in hockey. I did notice an image of Brown brand gear. For the non regulated who are willing to pay for it, they are better than most in making custom gear that's padded as to how you want it. The owner is also a goalie himself which is helpful. Some of the Canadian labels also sell box (indoor) lacrosse goalie gear as well as the hockey gear, should you decide you wish to play box, which is growing in the US and internationally.
Interesting and informative but most goalies did the adjustments on their own until the NHL stepped in made a new rule. Eg Belfour had the largest blocker and glove for a time until that was ruled on.
I'll never forget when I first saw a goalie in my garage league wear that Cooper trapper in the early 90s with the 3 different netting areas! I was like "How is this even a thing?".
The single, biggest innovation in hockey equipment was the addition of foam and plastics. My first pair of goalie pads were entirely leather, felt and horse hair. They weighed a ton. Goalie pads today are so incredibly light and can attach to your legs so securely that you could never play in the NHL with a pair of 1960s goalie pads.
@vibratingstring Mylecs are the OG for flat faced pads. USA! Nothing from Mylec classic pads was used for ice hockey.
My 50+ year old equipment is still in the garage.
@adamandrews4107 we can smell it from here 😖
@@the6ig6adwolf ROTFLMFAO! 😉
Yep and if the zam left too much juice behind them my first pads were soaked for the rest of the on ice.
Regarding the "Two Blockers" and Dan Blackburn, the non-stick holding glove was dubbed a "glocker" on the old GSBB. Look close and you'll see the webbing of a catch glove on that hand. This is because Vaughn essentially added a blocker board to a catch glove. This allowed Dan to have the ability to safely cover a puck as if he was wearing a glove.
GSBB 4 life. Where’s Moto?
Long live the GSBB and the "sitings"!
Pad extenders, goalies started having flaps attached to their leg pads to make them wider when they went down into the butterfly and retracted when they stood up. They were quickly banned
@@ajaytazzdemona8360 Are you talking about thigh boards? They really didn’t extend the pads. They did help close up the 5 hole. The NHL required that they tuck into the pants. New pad design made them obsolete anyway.
@@oscarwinner2034 no they extended off the outer edge of the pads
Trevor Lahey 😂 I bet he watches trailer park boys
Cory and Trevor got away
As soon as he said that name I instantly thought of TPB lol
Let’s go 2 smokes Trevor
Trevor Leahy
No way he actually just said that lol
Fascinating video. Just bonkers how these guys fiddled with designs to make their play more effective. The adjustments to make the goalie look monstrous were so cool. Resourceful guys. :)
I consider myself a big hockey fan and I learned a lot watching this. Extremely well done and I'm going to check out your other content. Cheers!
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
@@grandslack962 you can still find companies that will make Curtis Curves. Small stick companies. The Vic and Christian versions from the 80s and 90s were so heavy.
Enjoyed this video very much, Thank you. 62 years old and still playing. Yes I am a human target. :)
The equipment I used in the 60s 70s were primitive heavy wool.arm and shoulder protection not good.I took the shoulder caps off a catchers chest protecter,and sewed it onto the shoulder area of my chest protecter.I cut the material off the catchers chest protecter and sewed it on the sides of my goalie chest protecter to protect my ribs,also sewed a mesh net between the crouch of my goalie pants Esposito did this.Finally in the 80s,Brown,Vaughn,and others started to make a lot lighter and a hell of a lot more protective gear.Remember back in the days you were getting crashed in the net.Got injured several times,but that was the nature of the beast.What a great sport!Thomas A. Filipiak
I live in Florida, I dont watch hockey and Ive never played hockey, but your videos are super interesting. Keep it up.
You could have included the Heaton puck foils that had an incredibly short life in the NHL; there was also the Brian's Ridge pant that had oversized blocks on the sides that flared out to provide extra coverage when the goalie crouched into their stance.
oh wow, you're right, those puck foils. that would break the first time a puck hit them. And I still have a pair of those Brian's pants!
Puck foils were the coolest things when I was a kid playing goalie in the 90’s. I miss those days
Thanks for this educational and highly entertaining video. It was put together very well and I quite enjoyed it. Now I need to check out what else you have on your channel.
Thank you. I enjoyed reliving my 80's and 90's.. Great content.
In one interview, Dominik Hasek talked about having used cylinders made of hard foam which he had attached to the side of his arms. It used to be legal until some point. He admitted that this had helped him to make the save on Ray Bourque during the shootout against Canada in Nagano.
I do hope the Goalie Mask video comes out and I hope my old friend Michel Dion is a feature! Great video as always!
The Goalie Mask video is ready:
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Much appreciated!
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A very well-done video. it was fun to look back on some of the changes goaltending equipment went through. I learned a few things. I have never seen the two blocker set-up that Dan Blackburne used. That was fun to see, imagine attempting to play pro like that. I only ever played rec hockey but I loved trying the latest fancy equipment ideas. I used the Curtis curve for years. I believe the idea was first conceived to line the heel of the stick up with the shaft of the stick to feel more like a forward's stick when you were shooting the puck. With the bend just above the paddle, the poke check took some redevelopment. Unlike the typical goal stick when using the paddle down technique the flat lay down of the top half of the stick above the blocker presented over 5 feet of stick right along the ice that most pucks did not get under. The bend at the top of the stick was beneficial for picking up a dropped stick. , but in the paddle-down position, that same hook at the top end of the stick kept a lot of pucks in front of you.
For a time I had the GM-LGDC. It was a great glove. To add to your comments, the rollover design along the top of the cheater stopped a lot of pucks from hitting the cheater and still getting by. THE PROBLEM WAS IT WAS DEEMED ILLEGAL. The glove was so big and obvious that you were accused of cheating every game, so you stopped bringing it out. I also used the angled blocker that stuck out away from your body and therefore covered even more net.
I also was pleased to discover the power blades. They stopped the pad from picking your blade off the ice.
The BIG shirt had many advantages. But it was what was hidden under the shirts that was the real cheating. I understand that for a time with the Avalanche under Pat Roy's very large shirt he inserted "wings," extra padding attached to his gut pad (body armour )that stuck out and helped fill the holes between the belly and the arms.
Earlier than most of these innovations D&R developed a knee pad that went under the paint and protected the very venerable thigh and knee area between your pads and your goal paints. I went through a few sets of these and then they went off the market for a while. When I finally found another set my old set were covered in tape repairs. This was effective safety wear. Thanks for collecting some very good footage and photos to illustrate some of the odd and not so obvious goaltending equipment developments.
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
I used the Curtis curve stick for most of my youth hockey (specifically the exact eagle brand one shown). During that time, goalie coaches were teaches the paddle down technique. I personally found the curvature to be extremely beneficial for the paddle down technique but I stopped using the Curtis curve when I started playing high school hockey as that was the “stay tall in the butterfly” era and we no longer did paddle down.
I had a Curtis Curve that I used now and again. The problem I always had with it was the paddle-down advantages pretty much went away if you put a knob of any significant size on the end. And the heal of those sticks was really abrupt (as opposed to ones that kind of curved from the back of the paddle to the bottom of the blade), making puck handling really rough.
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
They weren't allowed when I played high school hockey, and the only person doing any type of butterfly was Tony Esposito.
3:02 I'm not falling for that one Ricky
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
Fluery was struggling and the year before they beat Ottawa in the playoffs he was sent to a Sports Physiologist in Ottawa (of all places). She suggested the change, and things slowly started to get better from there. He still sees that person to this day.
I had overdrives back in the day and it really did provide an advantage. Fast forward to today and now I’m trying to shake a bad habit (because of the overdrives) of only power pushing from the toe versus full blade.
Jean Sébastien guigere was a a master in using extremely oversized gear
He had to climb into his armor through a hatch in the back.
I've used a majority of these... Step steel, OD blades, cheater, "oversized pads". Funnily enough my pads I got after the rule changes were actually larger than the ones I had in the 00's. Going from 12" wide to 11" wide made pads much more maneuverable and the outlawing of the thighboards (which could have made your list) made the ability and the need for taller pads. I never had a Curtis curve, but I always wanted the top curve part. I even went as far as bending my own wooden stick to match that style. Of course you can't really make your own bends in modern composite sticks. I love sweep checking skaters trying to wrap around, the top curve allowed the stick to be flush to the ice on its side because it raised the knob off the ice (from my memory the whole point of the Curtis curve was to have a flush to the ice stick, I don't remember anything about changing the grip for the glove). You might have a point though, they started to disappear around the same time the "Turco grip" became the standard way to play the puck. Using your glove over hand instead of under on the stick.
Great observations, I almost included thigh boards in this video, if I ever do another ten items, I think I will include thigh boards in it the next go round.
I pulled the thigh boards off my old TPS 12 " pads and put them on my newer 11" pads. Since they have the plus 2, I don't get hit in the knee often, but why take the chance. Plus I only play in an old-timers league, and no one is going to make a fuss if I wear them.
@@noydb-1 I got my newer 11" pads custom made with thighboards. I just prefer them over the idea of knee guards. Thighboards don't even touch your knees, they can't transfer any energy to them. And like you, I just play in beer leagues.
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Those curtis curve sticks will always be my favorite. Loved those things.
Awesome video!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video.
Over drive is banned in many lower level hockey associations and leagues due to advantage and safety. Also for the Cheater, it was discovered that having a reinforced section along the medial wrist actually helped prevent wrist injuries by dispersing the force of the impact and to help keep the glove from twisting when the puck hits the pocket.
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Re: Garth Snow.....Every time a goalie is playing really well the puck just seems to hit them, and they don't have to make many crazy saves. That's because when an elite goalie is at the top of his game, he's always in position to make the save, and when he's in the right position, the save usually looks routine.
He was using a box lacrosse goalie chest protector. They evolved over time as early gear was made by Cooper and similar to their hockey gear of the time. Boddam is one brand you can look up if you'e not familiar with such gear already.
The overdrive blades wreaked my knee.
Went to push to one side and the blade stayed in its position while I was sliding back the other way. Was out for the season. And took those blades off.
When I saw those, injury was my first thought.
I get what they were going for in principle, but the potential for it grabbing and your ligaments taking the brunt of that force seemed highly likely.
The taller blades made sense.
Goalie equipment and the uniforms give hockey the best aesthetic in sports.
The goalie helmets especially give the game so much character.
Makes me really miss the locker room and getting gear on before a game.
Just don't get how it's the 4th major sport in the States. It's fast action not 5 seconds of action then stop for almost a minute before action resumes. Or worse, 3 hours invested for 5 minutes of actual action (looking at you baseball 😂). I understand basketball's appeal, also fast flowing athleticism on display.
But then hockey also brings the violent collisions of football, the fighting, which can admittedly be a draw or drawback depending on your stance, and incredible skill and coordination of skating and puck handling.
Ah well, I'll dismount the soap box, enjoyed the video, hope to see more soon.
Perhaps about the differing curves over the years, and of specific players. I remember so many guys wanting the Coffey curve back in the day...
I had a Curtis Curve stick. It took a while to get used to, but I ended up really liking it.
I bought one once because it was the only right curve the pro shop had. Wasn't a fan. But then again I miss the straight stick and wish I could still get them.
I still have a Curtis Curve stick (I'm not playing anymore) and it sure did help me a lot to shoot the puck. The curve at the end of the stick made a huge difference when I was shooting the puck. As for the stick itself being curved, it was nice to know that, when I put the stick along the ice, nobody could score because there was no room for the puck to go from the heel of the stick to the other end of it. The few years I played with it, it saved me a goal, or maybe two, that's it. Not a huge thing (It was very cool though). I stopped using it because composite stick were much lighter.
the curtis curve was sick i had one back in the day, but you couldnt snap out a poke check as swiftly as a straight shaft, the little curve at the knob was cool for a dropped stick though
Great video!! 10/10
Louisville had a trigger grip on the paddle of their goal sticks in the late 80’s. I tried them a couple times, but they tended to foul up my poke check so I didn’t stick with them. I still miss playing with a Hrudey pattern Vic goal stick though. My favourite stick of all time lol
Nice. That VIC GM506
was my first goalie glove!!!
that bit about garth snow was pure comedy lmao
Loved the pads with the net on the pad
I love the vintage gear when I was a kid the library had vintage hockey books on how to play goalie I wore those books out. I was mesmerized
I’m glad you mentioned two NY islanders, Chico and Garth Snow, Billy smith was my favorite. You should of mentioned Ron Hexstal
Thanks, interesting stuff.
I do miss the form fitting stuff, not for what it physically was, but for the variation of goalie styles it brought with it. Even when equipment got bigger, much of that style still stuck around for some time. But as goalie pads became more and more specially designed to increase the effectiveness of the butterfly style, it became disadvantageous to play any other style, which is why, largely, we don’t see much variation anymore. And why I personally don’t really watch hockey anymore. :’)
Classic gear could be made larger then. But more size increased weight significantly. But guys like Tony Esposito and Bryan Hayward wore pads that were wider than allowed. Tom Barrasso played at the end of his career in butterfly style Vaughn Velocity pads. He was stand up as they came. It’s possible but the butterfly is more effective with less work.
@@oscarwinner2034 Butterfly became the preferred style for math reasons, and equipment changed to accommodate and improve the effectiveness of that. I'll always have a soft spot for the people who played other ways tho. I remember seeing in interviews players talking about how the hardest goalies to score against were the weird ones, cause they didn't know what they were gonna do. I guess that implies that these days every player knows exactly what most goalkeepers are gonna do, it just becomes a matter of executing on what is supposed to beat it... from their perspective anyway.
It's a lot harder to teach unpredictability tho than it is to just teach the butterfly, heh. Takes a special kind of person to make that kind of thing work.
@@FritzyBeat No kidding. I’m late 40s now and still play. I started out playing making kick saves and skate saves. Over the years you change with the times. The RVH of today is tough on old hips! I still occasionally pull some old style saves out. Totally baffles the younger players.
@@oscarwinner2034 I'm only 28 and I played that way growing up just cause I thought it was more fun, haha.
Tkzz for sharing.,.,peace
Great documentary
Great 'stuff'.....just subbed.
Shout out to Dan Blackburn, i played against him in baseball when we were younger. Dude was stellar at baseball and it'd too bad what happened to him with the injury. Canmore had the nicest diamond to play on by far.
Kudos for this video from across the Atlantic! Very interesting overview of the development of the equipment. A little joke: now I know that not only the goalkeeper masks of the 60s and 70s could scare little children. The gloves at 01:53 look like something out of a 30s horror movie 🙂
6:53 I believe that these additional goalie blades would help reduce the number of groin, knee, and other injuries we often see in goalies from push-offs that caused injury.
I'm sometimes (okay, quite often) left scratching my head at decisions made by the NHL. Okay, perhaps it's an advantage, but if it's available to all goalies, then all goalies will have the same advantage, if they so choose. Most (if not all) goalies take advantage of other "advantages", like the max size of the goalie pads, or catching mitt, etc.
Overdrive blades are legit. They’re illegal in a lot of leagues, but for guys with hip or knee issues, they’re life changing.
They’re also valid in helping build into getting your main blade to bite, or as a backup if you miss your blade in a scrum.
When I used them, I’d always try to get some of my main blade to hit and the overdrive.
One thing that’s kinda near for goalies.. roller fly. I moved to Hawaii for a while where ice hockey wasn’t so great. There’s a really nice roller facility out west in Oahu. There’s a guy named Io who plays jet out there, him and his buddy designed and we’re behind the invention of the roller fly. Thing makes roller a little more like ice for goalies. Much easier on the knees! Guys going from ice to roller who will drop and try to slide laterally.. your legs stick and can wreck your knees. But roller fly lets you slide a little
I liked the trigger finger paddle too! One more tie in to that.. I learned this from Garret Sparks in the GGSU days.. I’d save my teammates fancy broken sticks and I would re shaft some cracked goalie sticks. I had this passau I reshafted with a fancy flex stick. Thing so soooooo nice for smooth sauceys up the ice. That extra little “umph” from the flex just make it so effortless
Fun vid man! thanks. I remember the birth of the cheater glove
4:48 nooooo stop that
Hockey is full of odd gear ideas from small companies or individuals that just didn't take off. Here are a few more that could be fun investigating!:
1. The Onezee Goalie mask
2. The "Kozac" Cut Goalie stick
3. Sever Goaltending and the replaceable pad face
4. Vaughn's inner pad nylon cuts ala Vaughn V2
Okay, that last company isn't small, but odd nonetheless.
@@themightymite5688 I almost forgot about those nylon pieces on the V2. Vaughn did not sell many of those... Why they thought slowing down lateral slides was a good idea is beyond me.
@@FlexibleToast Yeah, it was a sign something was off when Vaughn made those nylon cuts stock and almost every pro goalie immediately requested no cut-outs on their V2s.
What about a mess pocket sewn into the goalie pants to save pucks shot in the old five hole. I got this tip from a Tony Esposito book he wrote in the 60s.It was a delay of game penalty and I got caught when a guy I use to have on our team went to another team.Tom Filipiak
@@tomfilipiak3511 similar to that, I heard of goalies back then running rope through their jersey connecting gloves to pants or chest protector. Essentially turning their jersey into a web to catch pucks going between your arm and body.
Surprised the angled blockers like the Vaughn Vision of the mid 90's and I think Brown had one as well, aren't included. Also there were pads that had an illusion design to confuse shooters.
2:30
very entertaining
great video.the only thing you could of added was billy smith being first tp wear colored goalie pads starting in mid 1970s
Smith also had the cow catcher extension on his mask to protect his neck.
13:26 I ALWAYS think of Lu's Flordia pads when I think of oversized G pads lol
For some time, many goalies were taking advantage of the grey zones in the rules.
Rules have been updated to fit the evolution of the modern gear.
Still waiting on the mask video been two months and I love your count down vids !
The video is up and ready!
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Great vid. Tony O had at one time a puce of netting sewn to the inner area of the thigh of his goal pants. Would catch shots that mighr have gobd 5 hole. 😊
I like that the older equipment made it so that butterfly style isn't overpowered like it is now.
So the netting pattern thing is against the rules in modern hockey
Rule 11.1 prohibits Goalies from using "any contrivance which would give him undue assistance in keeping goal".
WTF is “due” assistance then? Too many rules, not enough athleticism. I played goalie growing up & was GLAD I was small (I only grew to 5’4”) ‘cuz goalie was the only viable position for such! Now, I don’t think there’s a net minder under 6’! “Geesh”!
I have a set of those stomps with the netting. Sadly they’re a little small on me now but I’m never getting rid of them lol.
White pads with a red outer roll. Perfect
Lol....Snowy!!! Damn league...always changing the rulebook because of my Flyers lol. The rulebook like trippled in pages after the Flyers cup wins in the 70s lol. Always gotta be keeping Philly down....lol.
That kenesky retro glove with the cheater looks awesome.
I went to a goalie camp where the coach would always tell the same story about JS Giguere using a steel rod attached to his pants to lift his chest protector like those weird fan lizards when he went down for a save.
I had a ginormous cheater back in the day. When I got my new "Compliant" trapper, I realized that the cheater was only useful if you tightened your trapper to "near blood circulation stopping." At the same time I was using the cheater, I was using straight 33 inch pads (no +1, 2... I am 6 foot tall). I went to a 32 +1 and now I have 36 +2 pads. So, I kind of went one way on one aspect, and the complete opposite on another. I have standard skates, chesty, and pants.
First the chest protector, then the 47 inch pads!? That man is crazy! 😂😂
Loved the cartoon I saw (looooong time ago) with the refs, a guy with Long Johns on and a coach standing around the goal, with rule book in hand. It looked like a goalie was positioned in front of the net. And the caption read "But he has to be IN the equipment."
Leg pads used to be a lot heavier back in the day. They really slowed a goalie's ability to move quickly.
yeah cause they were made differently they absorbed moisture, a goalie's leg pads could weigh as much as 5 to 10 lbs more after a game then when it started.
Early ones were stuffed with animal hair . Foam replaced that for today.
The overdrives are a great idea for butterfly goalies to increase mobility, but they tend to come off too easily, especially if you drill the holes too wide or deep.
Garth snows chest protector was a lacrosse goalie chest that’s why he was huge
Bingo and their gear has been shaved down over time for the same reasons.
Very Good video. One thing I didn't see mentioned was the improvement to the goalie cup. Sure made me a better goalie. Back in the 60's arm guards and chest protectors were separate pieces. Your arms would get beat up and there were gaps around the shoulders. Most goalies preferred to catch pucks rather then take them with the body. With the better goalie cups going down and stopping with the body became the better way to provide coverage. This helped to create the butterfly style that we see today.
Probably could have added Patrick Roy's bat wing jerseys, or Tony Esposito's 5 hole web on his pants.
Actually found an old Cooper Legends full right glove on ebay a couple years ago, but got sniped at the last minute. Would have loved to seen the reaction of the shooters who already freak out about me being backwards, if I was wearing that bushel basket on the "wrong" hand.
I forget but wasn't there a plastic insert that goalie would use that dropped down from the base of their pads around the toe cap area that prevented puck from sneaking under them?
At 14:24 you mention about over sized goalie pants. Is there anything additional on that?
My fave will always be my Jofa 262 ( Irbe style ) and 387 cages.
I would have loved those overdrive blades I also wore a 5x jersey when I needed maybe a 1x at most gave me "wings" under my arms
I had that gray VIC Curtis Curve.
Enjoyed my Christian Curtis Curve
dang, I used the curtis curve stick throughout highschool hockey and into college int he early 2000's. I fucking loved that thing, still have quite a few of them in the basement. I was able to play the puck much better and when poke checking felt better for me and made it easy to get back into the normal grip/stance.
Curiously enough i just tried playing a pick up hockey game with two blockers, weird at first but not that far out. I didn't got scored on the glove side. One thing I did noticed was that when trying to get up after a save where I kinda two pad stack slided I wasn't able to support my self with the left hand blocker to get up it was a way to weird of a feeling! but I'm not goin to do that again. Maybe switch sides all over.
Curtis Curve!!!
The guys on TNT just talked about this . Goalie stick and how holding actually opens opens up the high corners .
i used to have overdrive blades when i played in high school lol
Man.... those step steel blades would have been a total game changer. I was a little week going right to left. I had a strong glove but still.
He cant really be named Trevor Lahey haha. Thats Ricky Lafleur's alias;)
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I know the knob on Hasek's stick was different. Instead of being centred on his stick like everyone else, it was to one side so that when he dropped his stick which he did alot it was much easier to pick up. I tried that and used it for the rest of my career
Along those lines, every goalie I ever knew used about a roll and a half for their knob. I asked why once and was told it was for poke checking and not losing your stick, and picking it up off the ice.
And then there was a goalie who was famous for building up the tape knob about 6" down from the end of the shaft so that he could still use it as an eye-gouger. I'm thinking it was maybe Billie Smith or Ron Hextall. Someone from that era and hockey culture.
maybe this is a dumb question but how exactly do you tape it? i wanna try this
I remember those stomp pads coming out when i was in high school and i wanted them so bad lol
The one thing I noticed missing from this video were those little "door" flaps that used to be attached just above the knee in the pads, and were meant to seal off the five-hole when in butterfly. I know they were in style when I was in high school, but that was a long time ago (and probably died around the same time too)
Those were thigh boards. The advent of goalie knee pads made them pointless. Plus they usually get in the way.
The one thing u forgot was the bungee toe straps. From buckles to skate lace to bungee. The bungee is a big part of the pad now a days.
Could not get used to laces so i switch my new pads to buckels. Buckels and toe straps are hard to find these days. :(
Could’ve added the cheater flaps in the armpits as well as massive jerseys, or the five hole blocking flaps in the pads and pants. Great video tho!
He won the Vezina SIX TIMES?? SIIICK!
Im a new Tendy,ive been picked to play in the womens competitive league/ at some point try a "skate on" try out for a scholarship.
Im ambidextrous as well. Ive opted to play FR. Even though he was a hab...thats amazing!! #LFG!!
#TENDY❤
I read somewhere that some goalies have jerseys that have extra material in the armpits (upper arm to chest) to help stop shots.
Might be possible in beer leagues, but pro leagues do regulate jerseys nowadays.
@@asada135 It was something I read years ago. It probably got changed with the end of the "stay puffed goaltender".
When I was a goalie I wore an XXL sweater which helped stop shots when I stretched my arms out.
Snow wore a box lacrosse chest protector. As they are stand up in that game, the upper body has more bulk/padding in the chest and arms than found in hockey. I did notice an image of Brown brand gear. For the non regulated who are willing to pay for it, they are better than most in making custom gear that's padded as to how you want it. The owner is also a goalie himself which is helpful. Some of the Canadian labels also sell box (indoor) lacrosse goalie gear as well as the hockey gear, should you decide you wish to play box, which is growing in the US and internationally.
Interesting and informative but most goalies did the adjustments on their own until the NHL stepped in made a new rule. Eg Belfour had the largest blocker and glove for a time until that was ruled on.
I'll never forget when I first saw a goalie in my garage league wear that Cooper trapper in the early 90s with the 3 different netting areas! I was like "How is this even a thing?".
Why didn't I think of camouflage gear when I was in high school
There were also "dome shaped" masks worn by Hasek, Osgood, Vernon, etc. They have a unique shape. Not many goalies where these anymore.
Combo masks aren’t as cool or safe against NHL caliber shots.
Take a look at this video for more information on those masks and more:
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