Simon Jordan CLASHES With 'Fair Game' CEO On Whether FOOTBALL NEEDS An Independent REGULATOR 😡🔥
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- Does football need an independent regulator? talkSPORT's Simon Jordan, Jim White and CEO of 'Fair Game' campaign group, Niall Couper, have their say.
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The government need a regulator before football
True😂
they want to regulate everybody and everything but themselves...
The fact he can't even explain what he means by "fairness" says everything.
Not really. If anything, Jordan is being reductive.
@@kernowchrisbut it's true. What's fair. Man city and Chelsea didn't have regulations and spent for decades, now we want everyone to have a level playing field..... Is that fair to Aston villa or Newcastle? Revenue alone allows a disparity, how does allowing the most successful clubs to spend more than the least make it fair?
@kernowchrisbut united, Liverpool, Arsenal didn't have it when during their most successful times.
@@LionKingMCFC but they all spent money too . They've established themselves before any financial fair play came in.We have a disparity in the settled club status. All it's going to do is keep the top clubs top and the rest where they are. Wonder why elite don't want this to change.
The UK government make a mess of everything, so what makes them think they're going to be able to help football
Surely they can’t be as bad as the corrupt Premier League?
Once the government and politician are involve its not gonna work out
They couldn't help a bath
@@lewisjohnston7077 Help a Bath?
Labour ruin it
Simon has been warning of this since the beginning
Jim is such a clown 😂
He gets shown up a bit on this sort of detail, but he's a good presenter overall. I think a new partner might do him good.
Sustainability = protectionism. The regulator would protect the 92 clubs in the league not the grass roots. In business, hungry well run companies will grow and replace lazy complacent companies as they go out of business. Why can’t this happen in football? If a Bury goes out of business they will be replaced by a Wrexham or a Forest Green for example.
Yeah sounds like taxpayers could be the cash cow to keep bad owners a float.
I’m with Simon on this one
Me too. More regulation is never a good idea. Unless you're a communist.
"Tell Bury fan's that" .... What a ridiculous immature thing to say.
He is there to play devils advocate
Start with regulating the ticket prices
why? it's entertainment business - market prices. Lower the ticket prices equals less income - equals no big name signings equals clubs going nowhere
@@peterrowe-prvvideo1853while you are correct... I think a "lower" quality and level club should not have as high a price as a powerful team.
@peterrowe-prvvideo1853 this is nonsense. These ticket price increases generate less than 5m a year. what big name are you signing for 5m?
Agreed, clubs should have a certain % of tickets reserved for free for less fortunate. There's tons of refugees in this country who've seen the horrors of the far right in the last few months for example who would love a ticket. I cant even get a ticket for my beloved Liverpool.
@@YahaRegard You mean the UK has been over run by the rest of the world pretending to be refugees' and idiots like you believe it and cry about prices when the tax payers are paying billions for these free loaders
Leave sport out of politicians hands. They cant be trusted.
And billionaires can be trusted?
Isnt this the FAs job?
FA fat cats are more interested in dipping their bread in club owners gravy.
That’s what I was wondering.
Redistribution of wealth....all sounds very labour party to me
As opposed to budget cuts and less tax for the rich?
Are you happy seeing the same teams win every year then?
@@cafu-thebrazilianalanhutto6835is Yeah clubs like Man Utd and Liverpool should share their revenues with clubs like Burnley, clown idea
Fair!!! Load of liberal nonsense.
The concept of being fair is not nonsense. Sure, it’s often impractical but come on.
Tell that to a club going under. Fair Game doesn't mean communism lol. It means a framework much like banking industry needed after 2008. Minority of powerful humans can't be trusted! We want our CLUBS to REMAIN! Fair Game aren't asking for Arsenal to get relegated to League 2 ffs.
@@tomrado1687 You can’t compare it to the banking industry. If that had been allowed to go under everyone and I mean everyone would suffer substantially.
If a few clubs go under that’s only natural and imo not worth a blanket bailout. Also, as much as I support my team, I don’t own them.
They’re not our clubs, no matter how much we might like to tell ourselves that.
Also, the value of competition is so inherent to sports that to artificially level out clubs regardless of performance surely defeats the whole spirit of the game, if that’s what you’re concerned with.
There’s plenty of arguments how much sustainability should be enforced in football and to what extent, but we also have to realise that without any risk there is no gain.
The English football league system didn’t grow to being arguably the best in the world just by being sustainable.
Fair game is a waste of time…..
Keep socialism out of football
just thinking that
Hahahaha how is this socialism you wally
@@MrWillyMrBrightsideGovernment has a Socialist ideology. Start with that.
Cant believe people would rather watch teams win leagues 11x in a row rather than a more equal league. 99.9% football clubs lose many millions per year as they spend far more to get ahead of the others, but no because its communism its bad
@@cafu-thebrazilianalanhutto6835 karl Marx: "workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains, and you will have an infinite supply of barclaysmen compilations"
This sounds a lot like levelling down rather than up
This independent regulator thing is sounding more and more like sports communism. This is gonna end badly.
Governmentalisation of private businesses basically.
tory, crawl back in ur hole. thank god for Sir Kier and the voting public!
I've always thought this
hahahahaha what? I don't remember Karl Marx writing about this hahahahahahahahahahahaha
100% my exact thoughts 👍
I Love how the Prem is Destroying ITSELF
Do you think it might be intentional in some way?
Maybe it's another countries turn to have a decade or two of being Europe's best league.
Or maybe the super league guys are behind it in some way...
It does seem to be eating itself from the inside out. Which is a shame..
it always happens. In the 90's Italy was the biggest league in the world. Destroyed itself. Then in the 2000's it was Spain.. Destroyed itself. Now PL, and they haven't learned from the fall of those two leagues over the last 40 years.
With good regulation Grenfell wouldn’t have happened. Cameron wanted a bonfire of red tape. A bonfire of red tape is what he called for and that’s what he got.
Regulate the championship and below, plenty of money in the PL, government needs to stay out, I'm with Simon on this one, our government couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery and we are letting them make decisions on our clubs 🤦
Exactly. It is funny how most rational people might guess that at some level the FA(as well as other national federations of football) MIGHT be corrupt... So the proposed solution is for the government to get involved... Only there is no doubt about the government being corrupt. People forget that at the end of the day the regulators will still be british people just like the current establishment of football are british people.
The word INDEPENDENT really is wasted on you isn’t it?
@@blinkin78If you're naïve enough to think this regulator will actually be independent, I don't know what to tell you.
@blinkin78 Surely you are not dumb enough to think the government won't get involved and destroy our beautiful game?
@@QuentinMajor the Bank of England has been independent for the last 15 years and stopped the country from going broke AGAINST Liz trusses wishes. That doesn’t fit into your paranoia though
The FA, the PL, the EFL, UEFA. How many regulators do we need?
None of these are independent regulators. They regulate their own product. They've got biases towards their own product and are not interested in fair. They're only interested in growth and they'll be happy to stomp on anyone to achieve their goals, regardless of fairness.
@@monkofknowledgestanbut how do you define independent??? It doesn't exist in todays world. If a regulator is added then it will be comprised of people... People with interests and possibly corruptible. Only consequences can heal these things... Be independent or else.
@ThatGuy-tx4vm You sound like a dumber version of Jordan mate. Independent is independent..Of course it exists in today's world.
Footballs dead now. More corruption
they should regulate the PGMOL first
After some years they will talk about Regulators needing to have a regulator 😂😂 Every body wants peice of the pie these days.
The UK isn’t Singapore. Our government would make a howler of things.
The biggest cost in a club is player salaries:
1. If you cap wages you lose the ability to attract players
2. If you don’t have the best players, the quality of the product goes down
3. If you go through with this the EPL will be shytte
Fairness includes allowing fans in this country to watch their team on TV on a Saturday at 3 pm!
You could actually go to the ground and watch them
@@allancrosthwaite2219 not when there are no seats available!
@@kermit63 not showing the works then
@@allancrosthwaite2219ahh yes like Anfield maybe when 12k tickets are being fought for a by a waiting list of 390k
I don’t with that outlook but you’ll inevitably get your way in the end. Money talks and I can’t see the blackout still being in place in 10 years from now.
He uses the NFL as a standard?? Does he know anything? Has he heard of college football?
The issue I have with the NFL argument, is who is their competition? The NFL is the one and only big market of American football which happens to be in the US, there are no other competitive leagues across the globe that are challenging the monopoly the NFL has on American Football. While the Premiership, is competing with league's across Europe, so if you don't get want you want from a Prem team you can take your talents to Spain or Italy.
Brighton are successful, because they're run well ! Ownership is key
Not really you got bailed out by Chelsea.
A club that’s never won anything is not successful🫣
@@agentancelotti2985that depends on how you measure success! And to be in the premier league in my opinion is being successful, but they are not just in the prem they have established themselves as a well run competitive team in the prem, so I would say they are having more success than, say Everton. Not every team can go after the biggest accolades so to them they measure success on more realistic goals, those of which they have been achieving. Ask players or fans from other lower leagues if they thing they are successful
Brighton are in debt aren't they.
@@agentancelotti2985 they're successful In the context of the video numb nuts . I didn't say they have won anything . Top prem clubs with far more money are copying their model . Point being it's not about how much money you have , spend . It's how the club is run that's important. (Context) you obviously can't seem to understand .
There'll never be a "fairgame" as long as a regulator exists, regardless of its independency or not
DEI in all its GLORY 😳😳😳😳
Explain, please
An Independent Regulator is being thrown around by people who have absolutely zero Idea about Football and how Football Clubs are run. Simon is spot on.
First of all, the idea of a truly independent regulator is a misnomer in practice, so we might as well just call it what it is, which is a form of government involvement, even if somewhat indirectly.
I largely agree with Simon here, but I don’t think a regulator is inherently a bad thing. I just think the expectations Niall has are unrealistic and unworkable in football.
Government ruins every single thing that they touch. How exactly will the UK government protect the heritage of the sport when they can't protect the heritage of the nation? The Government needs to sort its self out before trying to sort any thing else out.
This man is another version of Sepp Blatter. He needs to be kept a mile away from football.
Not always keen, but this is where Simon’s knowledge, insight, experience, attitude and opinion is gold.
Simon is 100% right. Fairness, equality, equity, are just soppy words that give quangos the justification to stick their noses in and mess everything up. Life isn't fair, life isn't equal. Without great clubs and players (which cost a lot of money) there will be nothing for the rest of English football to strive for.
"fairness" malarkey is nuts. Sorry, but football is the example of how unfairness can be just. We've got 150 yrs of history, clubs going up, down, bust, progress, and it's fantastic. If clubs are continuously dropping out of the football league, new, more sustainable clubs will replace them. Hence, Brighton, Brentford, etc. if we want this guys fairness, why don't we take Man City's state wealth and spread it to the 40,000 clubs in England.
Exactly. There’s a number of people out there who seem to think we should and can protect clubs from ever going under for its own sake, just because they have fans. It’s a bizarre expectation, considering there are so many other industries where it’s considered par for the course that if a business is poorly run it will go bust.
Trying to make things as equal as possible makes sense in certain areas, but not in sport. It goes directly against the value of competition, is surely the main point of sport in the first place.
“Leveling playing field”. Making teams poorer so we can have less of a gap.
Football as everyday life has never been fair. Its about making the best possible outcome of the cards you are dealt.
Simon owed this guy.........
Who cares the subject is the relevant issue
But the guy can’t even define what his issue is, he keeps throwing the word fair around without being able to define it
Owned
Do we need a regulator when teams like Burnley will never spend more than 1 season in the Champ again with a crazy Prem financial edge, while others struggle to financially compete? Yess!! Do we need a regulator to make sure clubs like Westham who are turned into mega clubs by the Govt with a 65K seater stadium pay compensation to Champ clubs who don't? Yess!!
Simon destroyed him here 😂
Can’t see it working personally
So who will come in when the regulator fails like the FA, just going to bring confusion further down the line and who regulated the regulators 😂
What’s this guy’s agenda?? Because there has to be an agenda somewhere. He/ they just want to get a piece of the successful pie! He’s talking absolute rubbish. The nature of football is to win, beat other teams. It’s not about draws, being the same as other teams. Regulate football and watch it deteriorate. The next step will then be regulate the regulators.
Government regulator?? The government that has a £22billion black hole 🤔
The game needs a massive whoopsie on the field to help turn it around
Fair game wanna make money from smaller clubs, winging on their behalf, using the small clubs and fans to make money for themselves.
That guy opposite Simon is daft
The Premier League has successive champions who’ve been under investigation for 5 years and been charged on an unprecedented level, and the champions are suing the Premier league because of a tyranny of the majority - there’s civil war and finger pointing of corruption everywhere
As a sporting competition, that’s nothing to be be proud of, or get behind
We want our football back!!
Any activist group naming itself "Fair Game" automatically is cause for suspicion. It implies that anybody not marching in lockstep with their views must not be "fair". It implies that you are 'unfair' if you disagree with anything they say. That's manipulative.
It's suggestive of a group of individuals who are insufferably smug and arrogant in their conviction that only they can be right and that everybody else must be wrong and be treated with derision and disrespect. It's indicative of an elitist attitude of 'we know best'. They're so consumed with their own sense of self-importance that they believe that it's them who gets to decide on what is 'fair'.
His true motives soon became all too predictably apparent. He spoke the language of a Marxist. That of course tallies with him being an activist from a group of elitist individuals who, by their chosen name, consider themselves to be superior to everybody else. Another bunch of socialists using manipulative words to hoodwink the public and the authorities toward listening to their demands.
A lot of conjecture and conspiracism in this comment, not backed up by reality.
And no, he didn’t speak the language of a Marxist. If you have no clue about Marxism or what it is, don’t go around declaring people to be speaking its language.
He does seem to be smug and arrogant though, so I’ll grant you that.
@@jonathanmarkham1998 You're entitled to your opinion of course regardless of whether it's backed up by reality or not.
who regulates the regulator ?
just look at what the UK government did to Chelsea FC
Jordan is right that football clubs going bust is very rare. As Simon Kuper says in one of his books, it's rare because it's seen as very bad form for a bank to make a football club bankrupt. Lots of them have in the past have "deserved" it. and are in effect propped up by the customers of the bank. And administration is quite bad enough. It involves loads of staff and suppliers going almost unpaid- funnily enough it's considered fine for football to do this to cleaners and local building firms.
Its funny how everyday people think Zoom is the only way to have a video call on the internet.
Independent regulator = an extra brown envelope 💰💰💰
Utter woke nonsense
Define woke
@@russellward4624I think he’s just pissing around.
Regulation in the UK is consistently poor. The likelihood of it working better in football is minimal.
spurs are a billion in debt how is that a great way of doing business 😳😳😳😳
It’s about gearing ratios my friend. Yes they’re in debt but that’s because they’ve just built an asset in London that will help increase their Cashflow down the line. There’s also good debt and bad debt. If they got to borrow money at a relatively low interest rate then it’s really not that bad. Let’s not forget Spurs have a huge global fanbase so they’ll be fine. It’s the likes of poor little Reading or Burton Albion you should be concerned about. What chance do they have if things go south money wise?
More government control...Great.
Nail Cooper got owned by Simon, If Nail had walked into the studio to convince that we need a regulator to me its an epic fail.
The broadcast packages are rubbish and incredibly overpriced. You can watch your team in the Championship live on TV, but in the Premier League you get the ocassional match at annoying times and then you either have to watch teams you aren't really interested in or accept that you are being ripped off for almost nothing in return.
Simon Jorden is 100% correct on this...
Good idea would be to get Gary Sweet back on from Luton Town on this issue. He was CEO when LTFC were in the Conference, and all the way up to the PL last season. Now back in the EFL again. Would be interesting to hear his views on FFP and if his views have switched having had a taste of the big time.
Discussing an independent football regulator without taking into account the ecj future judgement in Diara is like playing football without goals . I am aware that there was a thing called Brexit but that does not change the fact that the players market is far wider than England in terms of geographical market definition
The electricity system is regulated
The telco system is regulated
The insurance system is regulated
The pub business is regulated
The healthcare system is regulated
The gambling/betting system is regulated.
The stock market is regulated
But Jordan says football is different and should be unique. Pathetic argument
and none of the examples you gave are thriving are they?
@@roddymackellar5481 gambling and betting are soaring mate!
Football is regulated so your argument doesn’t work.
Also, in most of those industries you mentioned they are regulated but there isn’t an expectation that all companies across the board be protected for their own sake.
That seems to be the assumption underlying Fair Game and the types of people who believe in sustainability as if it’s something to be chased at all costs.
CEO of a load of nonsense
No regulation its just another busy body organization who wants a piece of the football pie
Who’s going to be paying for all this also
If the FA and UEFA weren't so corrupt we wouldn't need an independent regulator. Sort out the FA and put competent people in charge and the need goes. Teams that have money shouldn't be punished for trying to make their team better or the experience better for fans.
I thought The Democrats big government here in America was the worst but I just can’t believe who crazy The British government is now , there taken over Private Football , madness!!!!
Nialls is 100% a politician, be careful what you ask for
Fair doesn't mean that everyone has the same income level, fair means that teams don't spend beyond their means and have the same responsibilities and obligations as other clubs. Fair means not hoarding players who were bought for a pittance.
UEFA have said if there's a regulator they will ban England an the clubs from Europe, what a clown
What is the FA for.
This is guff…its not financial mismanagement, clubs are trying to compete with unfair revenue streams, bring in a salary cap and all that extra money goes into community investment, why is it complicated
It's not the big 6 anymore it's the big 8
'Hope not' lol, way too much money involved for greedy little politicians to get involved, think its bad now, that will be the death knell for the game imo.
They always come with the same words. Fairness and equity. Beware of anyone telling you they're the arbiters of fairness. They're always villains in disguise.
government involvement NEVER helps.
Simon did both of them there 😂
I would love to know how many business and industries that were founded in the late 19th and early 20th century are still alive today. It's probably quite a small number. And yet apparently football is "unsustainable" even though the majority of clubs have survived for generations.
What is the point? Everyone just bends when money is on the line anyway. The independent regulator will either be too involved trying to be relevant, or be corrupt when big money is on the line. Either way it ruins the game
How can the government dare talk about anyone else wasting money 😂 shambles.
simple solution, stop spending money you haven't got
All very fluffy language from Niall. Typical media speak about 'equity' from the same people who push DEI. Football has its challenges, not least that clubs are becoming more global than local, which loses what makes clubs unique in the first place and pricing people out that has been part of families heritage for generations, but at the same time I wouldn't trust people like Niall or any single politician to make things better.
Niall and his 'holistic approach' need to get flushed 💩
Stick to politics keep your nose out of our game
Why would anyone get the government involved in something to try make it better
I totally agree with Simon
He lost me when he mentioned politicians
A labour sports minister deciding who’s gonna run the show. aye ok then 😂
Bring the government in to stop corruption 🤣🤣🤣
Who appoints the premier league officials and why are they allowed to have positions on united arsenal and Liverpools board with biased rules to stop other teams competing
At the moment we have a situation where the best supporters can hope for is that their club is bought by the least worst billionaire, and that the owner will happy shovel endless piles of money in to the bottomless pit until they either run out of cash or get bored. Something has to change
If you want to describe it as a "product", then compared to 40 years ago its now become an over priced rip off milked by total grifters.
Simon his suit doesn’t fit 😂😂😂
CEO of a thing that nobody wanted or needs.
I wouldn't trust Harry Potter as far as I could throw him tbh!
Well said Simon
I bet gets into an argument looking in the mirror....how can he say 'what needs fixing'?