This boat runs on happy faces! Like many other around my age, Kingdom Hearts is near and dear to my heart. So let's talk about all of the good *deep inhale*....and all of the bad.
6:26 Nah bro, don’t sleep on Re Chain of Memories. It’s has a few balancing issues and the story can feel a little bit contrived, but it’s moment to moment gameplay, especially when you do minimum health or CP runs is immense fun.
I never played Re:CoM. I played the original on the GBA, and found that, once I had my deck in proper order so I could quickly flip between high and low cards, the game stopped being all that difficult, and then the fights all started blurring together. After that, I figured the 3D version wasn't really going to offer much better than that.
As a huge KH fan who also grew up with the series, I definitely feel all the criticism of the franchise. I could play KH1, KH2, and cutscene-binge until KH3, then be totally happy with the confusing mess of the story. I remember feeling that the game's release order, jumbling up narratives to fit the idea as a whole, just put me off the hype train. I wish all of it was done differently - that Aqua's character arc was more defined and less drawn out (still tragic), that we got to play more as Roxas, Riku, or King Mikey, and that whoever passed the design of the card-based combat be stoned to oblivion. But nonetheless, the fandom surrounding the game is what kept me on board. I'm happy to see and hear someone else's opinion like this, cause I haven't seen many like it.
Thank you for watching and commenting. To be honest, the spin offs/bridge games could have been SO much better. Like imagine if you had Oswald come into the story as Mickeys brother who didn’t get a chance to take the throne? Or Max, Goofy’s son, looking for his dad during the events of Chain of Memories. So many missed opportunities after KH2.
Oh come on the card-based combat wasn't that bad 😅 In retrospect out of all the side games, Com has one of the most unique and interesting take on the KH formula and could've become something more interesting if experimented with more. However as the second entry in the series it's definitely jarring, the command deck system makes way more sense as a simplification of the normal KH experience.
“Yeah they talk a lot about light light and dark, we’ll yeah so does Star Wars” 😅 then the story goes awry. I agree, the story line in 1&2 was immaculate. Then the dark ages
Its simbolism of selfishness and selflesness. Its the Heroin Journey. Kh 2 endet the Heros Journey and this is the but weit sora hast dealt with his Trauma yet
This was a well crafted video but I personally disagree with a lot of it and I think the fundamentals of perception is a bit misconstrued. I have a few bits of criticism I wanted to address with my own thoughts: Outside of just the beginning with the feeling of Disney being "ashamed" of Kingdom Hearts, it's really not like that. In fact, series director Tetsuya Nomura has gone on record to say back in 2018 that they were interested in doing a movie, and this is before the Mario Movie and everything else. The lack of Kingdom Hearts in the "Disney norm" of places like Disney World is not actually of shame, but of respect. Disney owns Kingdom Hearts fully as an IP, but they genuinely do not do much with the series because, and this is a genuine quote from a friend who was a former Disney executive "they never felt like they owned it," which coming from this absolute mega media conglomerate is a powerful statement. Pretty much everything is just run by Tetsuya Nomura, who already is very busy with his numerous other projects and whatnot, and outside of all that the beginning statement was just... Wrong? Sora coming to Smash was a huge deal and one made of intense respect and dignity, and something Disney was more than enthused to be apart of. There also actually is genuine Kingdom Hearts Merch at the Disney parks, they just aren't as obvious as a plushie or a hat. Usually it's pins, magic bands and the smaller stuff. Anyway, huge opening statement besides, I'm someone with a weird history of Kingdom Hearts. It's one of the only things I had growing up that I genuinely knew, but at the same time absolutely not at all. It's only been until the last 5 years or so I've actually been... "sentient?" and aware of the actual foretelling of the stories, atmosphere, and games themselves. I always just had looked at it purely from the fights without actually the characters. Looking at this from this obscured perspective though, I've come to learn 2 things (in my own personal opinion.) 1) Times have changed, not the games. What I mean by this is that as the world evolves, so too do all of we. Our ideas, our culture, our surroundings all change and our perspective changes. What we may of taken as genuine as a kid we may look at more cynical now. Going through the entire series with my actual looking into the series, I've found that the core ingredients in terms of story and characters and the basic principles of friendship as you had mentioned formed your way of thinking are all still there. So then why? Why do you feel different about the series? 2) Quality. The quality is the thing that has drastically shifted. Obviously you can't compare a PSP game to a PS2 game. But when that's been what we had been fed to learn as these things being said as this "important thing to the story" or "the implications of these messages", I think it's a matter of how they've been packaged as something that's there alongside Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, when really there isn't a comparison. Of course, this is all extremely generalized and there's aspects I'm leaving out but I trust you might understand where I might be coming from. Overall though, this video was still well crafted and I respect your thoughts thoroughly and I still enjoyed the watch. At the end of the day, only you can form your own opinions and that's just what makes every one of us unique and it's always a pleasure hearing other's perspectives about mutual things we've come to enjoy, at least at one point or another, and it personally is such a shame that you have at least felt this way about the series personally.
@@jazzyfool3597 i definitely wanna go more in depth,hopefully later cause I’m gonna work soon but it’s not like anything crazy in my honest opinion,more so as someone who experienced the entirety of the union cross story over the years since release and playing dark road I find that stuff more interesting and sorta better than the main games we have atm with the crew from 1 and BBS,so much lore and depth you can make/pull from there and I think it’s the best way moving forward but I do agree with many that being mobile games was not a good thing,it’s hard to experience it as a new fan with no easy access except TH-cam,btw I respect your opinion no issues there,just don’t agree mainly
I'm with you on feeling that these games, in particular 1 & 2, had a profound impact on me & how I view things. Thanks for reminding me of that. I agree with you as well that it probably would have been better to end Sora's main story with 2 & do like FF does from there. But hindsight is 20/20 I guess. I think it's pretty depressing where the series is at now but at least the thing we fell in love with is still around!
Yeah. I love gameplay, music and art design of 7 Remake, but if they could’ve just trimmed the unnecessary padding or new KH-type stuff, I’d be so much more in love with the remake.
Talking about this series is just opening a can of things I don't like to talk about generally. But to put it very simply. "I enjoyed the first game for what it was, it felt like what a FF game would feel like as a 3D Action JRPG." It was mostly simple enough, even if some things were a bit... gibberish to me. "Light, Darkness, Heart." and it just, never got better on that front. Oddly enough, I liked Re: Chain for the gameplay shakeup. It gave more elaboration on the Organization, kind of. And it dealt with a real fear I have. "What if some things I remember, are not as real as I think they are? What if certain things I thought happened, did in fact not?" That topic, hits home. As you get older, it is something that really touches too close. Also, the best part of it, was literally Riku's portion. But I still just remember. "Smelly Darkness." "What the fuck does that even mean?" Was all I kept asking. It was more set up for his sense of redemption. Didn't care for Days. Like, I just didn't. I am one of those Proud. "I do not care about Roxas lmao." And I hated the Prologue to KH2. It goes on way too fucking long. KH2, I didn't like as much for a few reasons. It was mostly unlocking things for Drive Form. "Are you fucking kidding me? Learning to roll, is a damn near end game skill? Forgetting magic, fine. But fucking... the ability to roll? No, I draw the line there my good sir." And I didn't care for the story. It was diet DMC3. And that isn't a terrible thing to me. For my channel, when I cared about streaming, I was commissioned to stream this series, the caveat being "Critical Mode where available." So, we started with BBS, KH1, REChain, KH2, and DDD, and finally 3. The worst thing about BBS to me, was I was dealing with drift on a ps4 controller, so it made a clunky game, feel much worse. That game was fucking Jank, but I weirdly really enjoyed it, especially with the skill system. I have no way to really describe how other than. "I felt rewarded for experimenting where I could." but it also meant the first playthrough was hell, because no idea about the skills. KH1, played it just find. Couldn't be bothered to grind the Ultima weapon, had my friend do it. Otherwise had fun playing it. Did all the optional bosses as well. We joked about the Xemnas cameo as a Prequal Sith Lord. "Oh no, it's a Prequel Sith Lord!" Somehow won first attempt. ReChain, The Sora Playthrough was the hardest for me. But it eventually clicked and I had fun with it, BECAUSE it was different. The Riku portion was the most fun to me. KH2, kinda felt like a slog in some spots. But when it took off in the right areas, I mostly enjoyed myself whenever I was just disconnecting from the plot. "I just do not care, it is dumb bs anyways." Watched the follow ups to 3D. "I enjoyed 3D, minus the Rinzler fight due to I get motion sick easily. It does have flaws though gameplay wise, but still felt better than BBS." I enjoyed the first 3rd of KH3. But it's bad when I need to buy a DLC, so I can turn of the features I hated like attractions. Again, first 3, fucking amazing. And then you get to Frozen and you just feel drained the longer the game goes on. I wanted to tap out by Pirates of the Caribbean. I wasn't having fun. And by time I finished it... I just didn't care. And then I did the DLC, and was like. "Why wasn't this just the quality for the entire game...?" Annoyed, because it did a lot right. But it doesn't fix the 2/3rds issues I had with the rest of it. It just felt too bloated. But the first 3rd... was a genuinely fun game. I'm just tired of this series lmfao. Everytime I have issues, I get bs reasons I'm told why I'm not allowed to voice it. It just... sucks that people are like that. Let people agree and disagree rather than try to shut a conversation down.
On your last point, a series like this is definitely nostalgic for many people. The Disney element only amplifies that. I think people just shut out any valid complaints or criticisms so they can keep their childhood "perfect".
@@dyltalksgames I grew up playing these, and I don't really have nostalgia for them. I know that sounds weird, but I have more nostalgia for classic Resident Evil games, doesn't stop me from tearing into them when there are design choices I didn't like. The reason is. In my opinion "There was more problem solving involved. While RE1 Classic is cheesy, it was so in a funny way. RE2 was an iconic step up for any series. Sorta like FF4 to 7. They cover some of the same ground, but there is just a presentational difference in quality. Both are great. I loved Code Veronica as well. It had characters I invested in, even if Steve could be annoying." There was more to solve that wasn't complete gibberish, so it stuck with me way more. It is a lack of maturity on their part in my opinion. Criticism is a very healthy thing to have. Yes, we sometimes lack the words to accurately describe what we mean. And sometimes we even go "What the fuck, this is awful." And have a hard time stating why, but we understand the feeling of frustration associated with such a conclusion. KH3, was fucking bland to me after Monsters Inc. The beginning stuff, the Toy Box, all the way to Monster's Inc stuff? Great. Nothing overstayed it's welcome to the point of Tedium. And the gimmicks there, were also fine in context, and didn't overstay. That is where the game balance was at it's best on Proud. "It was mostly fair. The options were there too for you to alternate how you chose to handle it." You got to use Toys like mechs and just absolutely chunk things. It was fun, and didn't border too hard on boring Musso fantasy. "The balance was just right." And when that balance is done improperly, you have that disconnect. Because you no longer care what is happening. It is just padding to you at that point. And that is what most of that game felt like. "Padding." Not the exciting type either. Just the "God fucking damn it, here we go again..." Sorry for the long comment and long reply. It's rare I get to openly talk about this without people trying to crucify me.
As somebody who has played kingdom hearts 1 & 2 since they came out in 2002 & 2005, on the Playstation 2 when they released, I can tell you for a fact, kingdom hearts started declining in the late 2000s & 2010s when the games kept releasing on mobile gaming devices, I was only a kid back then, but even then I felt the series was being ruined by releasing such a amazing series on Nintendo ds & the psp, they should have just moved to the next console generation at that time, the ps3
I’m a die hard KH fan but I agree Nomura went overboard with the spinoffs it’s so stupid but I somehow still love it all, and I completely understand why you would hate a lot of the spin offs after kh2 😂 My friends are trying to get into the series and looking to me as their guide but now with all the crazy mobile game lore it feels impossible to explain without sitting them down for hours and I just want to tell them to turn back 😭
I mean I wouldn’t say overboard lol but still yeah it’s hard to not like fr 💙🤣 I’m a new fan and I loved the games and story wasn’t as confusing as most said and ofc Theres games I enjoy more than others but regardless the series is awesome,how you doing btw?
It’s a shame what happened to this series. The original kingdom hearts game was my all time favourite growing up. It was just so magical and I couldn’t stop playing it. Nothing else like it either.
I mean it’s still a great series regardless 💙🙏🏻🫡 new fan here mostly but Theres definitely something to always enjoy so we’ll see if moving forward the series can still be awesome,it’s my fav atm
@@darkscoutergamer6168 I think once final fantasy 7 rebirth comes out in February, then promotion will start for kingdom hearts 4. That would make the most sense to me.
17:49 Last comment I swear, but calling Birth by Sleep, 358/2 Days, and DDD especially bridge games instead of… you know mainline entry’s that further the overall plots of the game is the reason why you may feel like that. It’s the reason why everyone talks about the mobile games being important, because with the slightest exception to Recoded since it’s truly important story beats comes at the end, all those “bridge” games hold important value to all the characters that were in it.
Appreciate all the comments. To be fair, I didn’t go into those games thinking they were bridge games. I gave them all a fair shot and I bought them all the day they came out because I was a kid who loved Kingdom Hearts. But even back then I could tell they didn’t have much story to offer. It’s like I said in the video, if a 20-30 hour RPG is only offering me 2-3 hours of vital plot/lore information, that’s kind of annoying. But that’s just my opinion of course.
I swear to god DillyD has the worst opinions in this video. He sounds like such a casual CoD playing gamer saying they should reset lore like in Final Fantasy and saying most of the franchise are "Bridge games"
After 2 the story writing made the universe became so boring and not excited Lack of Interections between Final fantasy & Disney characters like cloud & Auron who fought hurcules and the serie focus on Disney too much more than final fantasy. We play this game to see Interection between both but turn out to be one side or disney alone while Kingdom heart was consider to be a crossover game (Only 10% of Interections)
Also, while the feel of BBS and more so with DDD can feel a bit rough, you have full customization like any RPG allows you to do. You can easily make your character very strong within 2 hours of playing and if the feel on BBS was better, BBS would truly be a good, even great game. DDD even with the PS4 remaster still feels a bit rough though, can’t excuse that.
In my opinion, the problem with Kingdom Hearts (Aagain, after 2) was that the series was taken way more seriously than it needed to be. It didn't need a star wars treatment. It wasn't some grand story. It should have been some dumb romp with a surprisingly fun battle system. It has Sora interacting with Disney characters and for some reason, the occasional final fantasy character shows up. Now we have plot so convoluted that you have to wonder why they would put this much effort into an E rated game that was originally for kids. Kingdom Hearts was THE series that killed time as a plot device in games that didn't originally have time as a plot device for me. Honestly, they should have done what you stated. Moved on to a new character and have him/her have adventures (Which technically you could call Birth by Sleep the type of game I'm actually looking for) and new plot with maybe some easter eggs from each other here or there. I don't think the Kingdom Hearts series is ever going to get rid of Sora and the gang and that will ultimately lead to stagnation with the few people that are still die hard fans of the series.
Yeah and the funny thing is that quote I had in the video where Nomura said that “keeping Sora interesting over the games is challenging”. Nobody asked you to keep him around!
one of my biggest intrigues in the secret ending of kh2 is that sora, riku and mickey's keyblades are all shown in the ground which to me implies that this happens far after kh2 and honestly i would have loved to see the series have gone in this direction but instead they made bbs a prequel im still excited to see where this crazy story goes even though i think the execution could have been stronger for way too many games at this point
I just try to have fun with it. Do I wish every game were as good or better than KH2? Yes. Do I expect them to be? No. If I want to play a game with a good mix of narrative and gameplay, there are other games I can play for that. If I want to play a game where Mickey Mouse is a Jedi Master, I can fight my favorite villains along side my favorite heroes and body slam a pirate ship with another pirate ship, I have kingdom hearts for that. (Plus, the digital Sora idea from Re:coded isn’t that far out there for this series. It’s basically an idea that was lifted from the original Tron movie. The stupidest part of that idea is what data Sora is used to navigate through. Pretty much proves the villain from the first Kingsmen movie wrong 😂)
Good Video But I 100% Disagree With Your Opinion On The “Dark Ages” Of Games. Re:Coded Has The Best Command Deck Gameplay & BBS Has One Of The Best Stories In The Series Along With Union X.
I still love the PS2 games, Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and RE chain of memories. But holy crap I'll never be able to get past KINGDOM HEARTS HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue as the actual title of an actual game. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Is this one of those lost in translation things?
Those aren't AS bad, because the the .5 shows its a remastered game with some additional content. It's still silly, why they couldn't just call it KH 1 and KH2 Final cut I'll never know.@@dyltalksgames
Observations: 2:20 There lies your first mistake: Days and reCoded. Those games had better gameplay than they had plot, cutscenes-only is the most cursed way to experience them. 5:30 1FM fixed this by adding more attack modifiers: slide dash, slapshot, hurricane break, ripple drive, zantetsuken, etc. (and KH2 had those by default, although 2FM did add a lot of incredible modifiers that Osaka had no choice but to copy and paste them for ReFixed, cause they couldn't come up with anything that good themselves) 6:35 KH2 improved many things, but it wasn't perfect. KH1 still did a few things better. 7:00 Using the F word is a surefire way to get canceled by the sensitivity mods online. (cause it's the truth) 11:10 Not gonna say anything, just watch the ReCoded part at the end: th-cam.com/video/0Tg47P6lPo4/w-d-xo.html 13:10 The original plan was to port the DS games, but after the idea got scrapped in Days they didn't even try in reCoded. (you can tell cause Days did 1:1 cutscenes meant to fit into the game while reCoded took more liberties and had "cutscene combat" also the Xion tripping patch was a thing) 17:30 Reason this happened is simple: money. 21:50 BBS was Osaka's first ORIGINAL game, their first job in the series was the re:CoM. (which explains where they got the deck and shitty frame data from) 22:35 There is a 3rd Option actually: Hokkaido Artists Network & Development (HAND) the guys who made the DS games. They also worked on TWEWY Neo and honestly there's more potential there than meets the eye.
I’m my opinion I think the story is actually easier to follow than what people think at least in terms of its lore. It’s not that difficult if you really put the time in especially since it’s a little easier nowadays. I guess it depends on how much someone is willing to follow it. Lol I will say the more difficult ease of access of the titles back in the day made it harder for people to play the side games at the time so it’s a little understandable from that sense.
Kingdom Hearts III is by far the most successful Kingdom Hearts game, what are you even ranting about,? Very few substantial criticisms here that all amount to "handheld bad" and "long stories bad" You may not like the experimental nature of the series but its undeniably more successful now than ever
In terms of sales, yes it’s more successful. Any game with the title “Kingdom Hearts 3” would have sold a ton of copies because it’s the game millions of people waited over a decade for. As for the “handheld bad” comment, sounds like you didn’t watch my 3 minute segment where I tear apart Birth By Sleep, Re Coded and Dream Drop Distance with valid game design complaints. Also, more people are buying and playing video games today than ever. By your logic, Final Fantasy 15 is better than the original 6 or 7.
@@Macro117 Was referring to myself and others who unfortunately wasted their time with this garbage. But if you like playing shit, who am I to stop you.
@DillyD. This isn't about Gonal Fantasy, it's about Kingdom Hearts, which you whined about the downfall of that never happened, and your "game design complaints" about BBS, Re:Coded and DDD are largely platform constraints, i think you just hate Kingdom Hearts dude
I feel like the reason why Disney parks and stuff don’t use kingdom hearts is probably because it would be messy or something to the brand with people wondering why there are other versions of people like Mickey or Winnie the Pooh.
Despite having never played any of the games as a kid and recently beat them all as an adult (though I'm emulating 358/2 Days [three five eight days over two] and will do the same for re:Coded) I'll admit it's alot for some and it may be if you're not into long running series, but the only major complaint I've had besides the DS games being hoed is that mobile games have the same level of canonicity as the real games, especially if the trailer of Kingdom Hearts 4 is anything to go by.
The main reason why there was so many handheld games at the time was because the developers couldn't start on KH3 until after Final Fantasy Vs XIII was released and Square at the time was going through a lot of issues behind the scenes. like you mentioned they were unfamiliar with the new graphics engine for the PS3 era but Square also had the 'bright' idea to try to create their own in-house engine called Crystal Tools... which fucked them over big time and left many games in their catalog with issues, once that happened all hands in Square had to be on deck to help out with those games.
Im getting a Brain aneurysm from reading these comments. Ya'll can have your own oppinion and thats okay, but ya'll just seem so blinded by Nostalgia, like Holy shit. Appreciate Kingdom hearts for what it is, the characters haven't gotten worse and no, KH2 isn't the (objectively seen) greatest Kingdom hearts game. Anyone who doesn't get the story just got into it the wrong way and or gave up halfway through, because whether you like it or not, understanding Kingdom hearts isn't that hard. I won't be watching this vid because Im already seeing comments like "I agree KH2 should've been the end of the series" LIKE WHAT THE F*CK DUDE, cool that you'd like to be left on a cliffhanger, I personally don't. Like geez, I want my storys to be resolved mf. And I also wanna see through what this story is telling, I find it interesting and enjoyable, if you can't do that please take your shit and back the f*ck off this franchise for your own good, you had your fun don't have to take it from others. Share your oppinion, sure, but don't force onto others. It ain't good to dwell on shit that you don't like anyway. And It's even worse to make others who like it feel like their stupid for liking what they like. I mean thats just the internet in a nutshell, but my point is: Everythings bullshit, form your own oppinion, enjoy what you enjoy, stay away from what you dislike. How ironic to tell people that everythings bullshit and their supposed to make their own oppinion, while at the same time also forcing my own oppinion onto them and stating it as a fact. Eh, I can live with that contradiction. Maybe I shouldn't be writing this shit while sleep deprived and massively sick. F*ck everything, I hate the Internet, Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die. Might as well enjoy some wacky shit like Kingdom Hearts while Disneys still alive. To live is to consume shit we like, otherwise you're just an inert chunk of randomly assembled molecules drifting wherever the universe blows you until your finite clock reaches it's end and suddenly nothing what once mattered, matters anymore and everything that never mattered seems like a missed chance to make an expierence that could've mattered. I think what Im trying to get at here is, I should really stop trying to share my oppinion on the internet. Maybe we all should at that, but then again, thats just my oppinion. Edit: After reading the title I just wanted to add a *F"CK YOU* to this comment and say the franchise is still alive and kicking, its greater than ever and im enjoying every second of it, DOWNFALL MY ASS B*TCH
Whew ok-1-you replay yes. Have you ever played borderlands? Takes 18 runs to max all characters minimum 2-there’s a command deck because it originally released on freaking psp. Did you not know that? 3-there’s a guide that shows a literal ingredients list you need to get every ability at once. You can do it at the halfway point. Much faster
Way too many of these statements were way too opinionated, and I get that making fun of average content for being not the best thing ever might being one of your things, but this is an awful critique of somethings that you, and many other viewers and players alike, have no real personal connection to. I liked Birth By Sleep, Dream Drop Distance, Days, and one day I hope to play Re:Coded, you may call this a dark age, but the original Kingdom Hearts is not much better than Birth By Sleep. P.S. If you didn't like these games' gameplay in the beginning, why would you keep playing? And if you didn't like where the story was headed, WHY DID YOU KEEP PLAYING?
I just disaggre. I think you simply lost interest innthe series only see it surface level and dont get the deeper meanings. Its Even spellt out in UX : Selfishness vs selflessness . But its ok if you simply stoped likeing kingdom hearts
You sound like you want developers to make you a fairy tale with a knight, a princess in distress and a dragon damn xd All of your complaints are because lore in this game has misteries that are solved or developed with other games other than 1, 2 and 3, as those revolve arround the PROTAGONIST who is SORA and his power of Waking getting developed. All the other games are not "Bridge games" but lore for the saga
The Power of Waking is the hability that Sora, Riku and King Mikey have. With the power of waking you can do many things and I hope I don't get them wrong. The first one is teleporting to places in time and space where your friends hearts are located, kinda similar in how other people use objects (like Brains hat or Maleficents coat) to travel through time. The second one is resurecting peoples hearts not long after they are deseased, like Sora did in KHIII with Kairy. I personally think the power of waking is also linked with "freeing the worlds" and all the stuff with the locks you do in KH 1, 2 and 3 @@Po-kemon
The power of Waking was introduced in Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance I think!!! Its normal that u miss it, Kingdom Hearts has the amazing ability to hide the most important things in plain sight hahaha
Disagree on the mobile stuff lol that stuff is great IMO(probably second fav story)but definitely can understand about 3 although I enjoyed it myself,we’ll see moving forward how it goes but I respect you🔥
Wait till you also include the content from MoM, KHx/KHUx/KHUx, KHDR, the upcoming KHML, and the novels. The story in the whole series is an absolute train wreck.
For me it was the story just bloating up and convolution. It's not complicated but there's a lot that isn't explained that should, a lot that should but isn't, and then we got that lackluster finale in 3...
In my opinion, Kingdom Hearts' story started to go downhill with Birth by Sleep. Prior to that point, the stories were very personal despite being world-saving adventures. The focus was always on the interpersonal relationships that had been built up throughout the series. But then BBS comes along and basically inserts a whole new cast of characters who have relationships that are barely fleshed out, ultimately have limited connection to the cast from previous games due to being a prequel with a forgotten cast, and turns Xehanort into Sosuke Aizen. Now the remainder of the series is trying to awkwardly juggle this added on element and winds up doing things like turning Sora into a Messianic figure who has to save everyone instead of just being a kid who happened to be in the right place at the right time to get a power that let him save his friends.
@@dyltalksgames it’s definitely not bad lmao I do agree had some issues but maybe that’s nostalgic for me,still understand you regardless 👍most still agree it’s game you can see why it’s loved in the community but I respect your view anyway
Personly I lived kh 3. And i can tell you that mostt issues in the plot come from Mistranslations. Nonura isnt happy about the way the Story gets translatet sometimes but cant Do anything about that. The translators sometimes Do what they want becaus ther work with a litle loophole. Also recoded mightvaculy forshadow future plotpoints for the lost Master arc when it comes to Riku and Sora as the Story is ultimatly about ther Growth Also ther is no Osaka Team. Its just simply that at the time this new Team wantet to try out making a KH Team and by this point members that worked on KH 1 and 2 ar part of that Team Ther also helped out on FF16. When it comes to the plot its just alot to remember and full of mistranslations that muddle the experience. These Stack up and you get to the point ypu ar in So i understand you checked out. Its also Not bad if you just outgrow the series and just see it as childish. Nomura has a ending in mind for this series though so mayby someday you atleast get to see That ending for Soras Story. ( KH is a series wher Sora will be the Main hero untill its end)
absolutely disagree and find most of your points awful! 😁 and i say this as someone who, doesn’t rlly have any particular enjoyment for the other games aside 1 and 2.
Don't like the direction then move on. No need to rant with horrible KH2 propaganda. You have no right to make fun of DDD when you praise 2 a game with stagger that hardly lets you stagger bosses and bosses have barely any openings and some force you to use a tool on a limited resource that being reflect when ou should be able to just block a majority of attacks and be able to get openings even when reflect is unavailable and some are super unfun and sora is not built to fight alot of them. Dark thorn is awful, geni jafar sucks, luxord sucks, xigbar and xaldin suck to fight against, Drive forms punish you for attacking by draining faster in combat and anti form should not exist to punish people for experimenting and having fun not to mention important movement abilities locked behind the forms and the forms taking centuries to grind and magic feels awful to use like look how they massacred fire magic. Space paranoids sucks as a world due to some enemies and the first boss, pridelands is awful, Experiment in halloweentown is only fun phase 2, guard breaks happen way to often in 2 and all the praise you give it you never point out teh fact and others miss this which is you are praising mainly 2fm not 2. Also the data fights are just the same as the original fights with the org members jus tnow they have more health and some are bugged out like vexen when talking 2fm and a majority of the world bosses mmake you play some lame minigame to get openings and reaction commands suck to use and battle of 1000 heartless as cool as it was sucks in the gameplay department especially when playing level 1 crit where you don't have 2nd chance and once more unlike KH1 and 3 where you get those 3 with accessory system from getting it as a reward from frozen slider minigame and flash tracer course and is extremely easy to obtain making endgame never one shot you at level 1 crit and you never deal chip damage while 2 level 1 crit it feels like you deal chip damage even with the best keyblades and 1 on the 0 exp ability. If tokyo team never returns good cause they don't know how to make combat post Kh1. H.A.N.D i would love to see help with combat in a future game given how fun Neo Twewy and Recoded can be. Osaka team learned from mistakes they made in the past and made some of the best gameplay in the series with KH3. Stagger endurance is a great mechanic for big bosses, Revenge Value system is almost perfect in 3 with the humanoid bosses and finally there is more emphasis on teh disney worlds again with platforming and puzzles starting to come back with fun little treasure hunts that reward exploration. Only thing i dislike about the direciton of the story is mainly the tie ins to the mobile games and the mobile games being such huge important entries to the series. Would rather they had made mobile games actual playable console titles given how good the mobile game stories are especially and looking at how good missing link looks imagine if it was just a fully fleshed out non gatcha console game in the style of like a KH MMO. Sounds really cool to me. Also when talking about story 1's is good but foreshadowed teh whole direction it went after 2 if you bothered reading the ansem reports and already had some "convoluted" stuff, 2 story is better having played days but they did a bad job with sora's character, DDD Sora is great, KH3 has the best sora since KH1 and there was no way the finale could have been perfrect given the circumstances that happened with 3. BBS gameplay is awful but story is amazing. Days is not that bad and its super important to kh2 at least so it deserved better and the only reason days and recoded are not replayable is either 1 or 2 had their source coding lost iirc idk all teh dev circumstances. Also there are no actual bridge games in KH or spinoffs exactly. Every game aside from recoded is important to the story.
Lol really I think that game is trash. The only thing it has better is the graphics and that doesn't really matter. But I'm not dissing your opinion. Why do you think it's on par?
ur cappin one of final fantasys biggest problems right now is it keeps resetting and there no need to waste your time on most games IMO. Like I've only played 7remake, 15 and 16 because the others are to old and with no connections it's just kinda dumb. Yeah they're somewhat complete stories but i don't only care about story i want gameplay too. With KH while the spin-offs may be different it kinda keeps fresh going into the next main title and the reason i like the games the amazing music, cool worlds and the combat. While the combat ain't the exact same it gives something different. but when it comes to story if you want a really good story playgow or you know read book. also the deck system in re:coded is goat and gets worse with each other game
Lol you literally think that kingdom hearts 2 is the best when the story was the weakest lol even union x have better story y'all the nostalgia dulul are so funny 🤣😂
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6:26 Nah bro, don’t sleep on Re Chain of Memories. It’s has a few balancing issues and the story can feel a little bit contrived, but it’s moment to moment gameplay, especially when you do minimum health or CP runs is immense fun.
I never played Re:CoM. I played the original on the GBA, and found that, once I had my deck in proper order so I could quickly flip between high and low cards, the game stopped being all that difficult, and then the fights all started blurring together. After that, I figured the 3D version wasn't really going to offer much better than that.
As a huge KH fan who also grew up with the series, I definitely feel all the criticism of the franchise. I could play KH1, KH2, and cutscene-binge until KH3, then be totally happy with the confusing mess of the story. I remember feeling that the game's release order, jumbling up narratives to fit the idea as a whole, just put me off the hype train. I wish all of it was done differently - that Aqua's character arc was more defined and less drawn out (still tragic), that we got to play more as Roxas, Riku, or King Mikey, and that whoever passed the design of the card-based combat be stoned to oblivion. But nonetheless, the fandom surrounding the game is what kept me on board. I'm happy to see and hear someone else's opinion like this, cause I haven't seen many like it.
Thank you for watching and commenting. To be honest, the spin offs/bridge games could have been SO much better. Like imagine if you had Oswald come into the story as Mickeys brother who didn’t get a chance to take the throne? Or Max, Goofy’s son, looking for his dad during the events of Chain of Memories. So many missed opportunities after KH2.
Oh come on the card-based combat wasn't that bad 😅 In retrospect out of all the side games, Com has one of the most unique and interesting take on the KH formula and could've become something more interesting if experimented with more. However as the second entry in the series it's definitely jarring, the command deck system makes way more sense as a simplification of the normal KH experience.
Ähhhh you cleaely misunderstood kh if you think max locking for his dad is a great idea. Sora is the main character@@dyltalksgames
“Yeah they talk a lot about light light and dark, we’ll yeah so does Star Wars” 😅 then the story goes awry. I agree, the story line in 1&2 was immaculate. Then the dark ages
Its simbolism of selfishness and selflesness. Its the Heroin Journey. Kh 2 endet the Heros Journey and this is the but weit sora hast dealt with his Trauma yet
Trying to make cry in the middle of a Walmart with that intro lol,Great video man🔥
I actually really liked KH3, and I am really excited with KH4 coming soon as well.
Same here
Likewise!
It was awesome 🙌
It ain’t coming soon lmao 😂
@@DiegoGonzalez-jr9lv lmao🤣😭 well definitely ain’t gonna be 13 years for sure but we’ll see
This was a well crafted video but I personally disagree with a lot of it and I think the fundamentals of perception is a bit misconstrued. I have a few bits of criticism I wanted to address with my own thoughts:
Outside of just the beginning with the feeling of Disney being "ashamed" of Kingdom Hearts, it's really not like that. In fact, series director Tetsuya Nomura has gone on record to say back in 2018 that they were interested in doing a movie, and this is before the Mario Movie and everything else. The lack of Kingdom Hearts in the "Disney norm" of places like Disney World is not actually of shame, but of respect. Disney owns Kingdom Hearts fully as an IP, but they genuinely do not do much with the series because, and this is a genuine quote from a friend who was a former Disney executive "they never felt like they owned it," which coming from this absolute mega media conglomerate is a powerful statement. Pretty much everything is just run by Tetsuya Nomura, who already is very busy with his numerous other projects and whatnot, and outside of all that the beginning statement was just... Wrong? Sora coming to Smash was a huge deal and one made of intense respect and dignity, and something Disney was more than enthused to be apart of. There also actually is genuine Kingdom Hearts Merch at the Disney parks, they just aren't as obvious as a plushie or a hat. Usually it's pins, magic bands and the smaller stuff.
Anyway, huge opening statement besides, I'm someone with a weird history of Kingdom Hearts. It's one of the only things I had growing up that I genuinely knew, but at the same time absolutely not at all. It's only been until the last 5 years or so I've actually been... "sentient?" and aware of the actual foretelling of the stories, atmosphere, and games themselves. I always just had looked at it purely from the fights without actually the characters. Looking at this from this obscured perspective though, I've come to learn 2 things (in my own personal opinion.)
1) Times have changed, not the games. What I mean by this is that as the world evolves, so too do all of we. Our ideas, our culture, our surroundings all change and our perspective changes. What we may of taken as genuine as a kid we may look at more cynical now. Going through the entire series with my actual looking into the series, I've found that the core ingredients in terms of story and characters and the basic principles of friendship as you had mentioned formed your way of thinking are all still there. So then why? Why do you feel different about the series?
2) Quality. The quality is the thing that has drastically shifted. Obviously you can't compare a PSP game to a PS2 game. But when that's been what we had been fed to learn as these things being said as this "important thing to the story" or "the implications of these messages", I think it's a matter of how they've been packaged as something that's there alongside Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, when really there isn't a comparison.
Of course, this is all extremely generalized and there's aspects I'm leaving out but I trust you might understand where I might be coming from.
Overall though, this video was still well crafted and I respect your thoughts thoroughly and I still enjoyed the watch. At the end of the day, only you can form your own opinions and that's just what makes every one of us unique and it's always a pleasure hearing other's perspectives about mutual things we've come to enjoy, at least at one point or another, and it personally is such a shame that you have at least felt this way about the series personally.
Yes in alot of was Dilly has no idea of how deep
Everything was fine until they introduced time travel imo
Disagree lol but guess that’s okay👍
@@danielrivera1387 mind if i hear your reason?
@@jazzyfool3597 i definitely wanna go more in depth,hopefully later cause I’m gonna work soon but it’s not like anything crazy in my honest opinion,more so as someone who experienced the entirety of the union cross story over the years since release and playing dark road I find that stuff more interesting and sorta better than the main games we have atm with the crew from 1 and BBS,so much lore and depth you can make/pull from there and I think it’s the best way moving forward but I do agree with many that being mobile games was not a good thing,it’s hard to experience it as a new fan with no easy access except TH-cam,btw I respect your opinion no issues there,just don’t agree mainly
I'm with you on feeling that these games, in particular 1 & 2, had a profound impact on me & how I view things. Thanks for reminding me of that. I agree with you as well that it probably would have been better to end Sora's main story with 2 & do like FF does from there. But hindsight is 20/20 I guess. I think it's pretty depressing where the series is at now but at least the thing we fell in love with is still around!
Yeah exactly :) Kingdom Heart 1 and 2 will always exist and be great. Got to be happy about that.
And SE/Nomura are doing it again with FF7.
Yeah. I love gameplay, music and art design of 7 Remake, but if they could’ve just trimmed the unnecessary padding or new KH-type stuff, I’d be so much more in love with the remake.
Talking about this series is just opening a can of things I don't like to talk about generally.
But to put it very simply.
"I enjoyed the first game for what it was, it felt like what a FF game would feel like as a 3D Action JRPG." It was mostly simple enough, even if some things were a bit... gibberish to me. "Light, Darkness, Heart." and it just, never got better on that front.
Oddly enough, I liked Re: Chain for the gameplay shakeup. It gave more elaboration on the Organization, kind of. And it dealt with a real fear I have. "What if some things I remember, are not as real as I think they are? What if certain things I thought happened, did in fact not?" That topic, hits home. As you get older, it is something that really touches too close.
Also, the best part of it, was literally Riku's portion. But I still just remember. "Smelly Darkness."
"What the fuck does that even mean?" Was all I kept asking. It was more set up for his sense of redemption.
Didn't care for Days. Like, I just didn't. I am one of those Proud. "I do not care about Roxas lmao." And I hated the Prologue to KH2. It goes on way too fucking long.
KH2, I didn't like as much for a few reasons. It was mostly unlocking things for Drive Form. "Are you fucking kidding me? Learning to roll, is a damn near end game skill? Forgetting magic, fine. But fucking... the ability to roll? No, I draw the line there my good sir." And I didn't care for the story. It was diet DMC3. And that isn't a terrible thing to me.
For my channel, when I cared about streaming, I was commissioned to stream this series, the caveat being "Critical Mode where available." So, we started with BBS, KH1, REChain, KH2, and DDD, and finally 3.
The worst thing about BBS to me, was I was dealing with drift on a ps4 controller, so it made a clunky game, feel much worse. That game was fucking Jank, but I weirdly really enjoyed it, especially with the skill system. I have no way to really describe how other than. "I felt rewarded for experimenting where I could." but it also meant the first playthrough was hell, because no idea about the skills.
KH1, played it just find. Couldn't be bothered to grind the Ultima weapon, had my friend do it. Otherwise had fun playing it. Did all the optional bosses as well. We joked about the Xemnas cameo as a Prequal Sith Lord. "Oh no, it's a Prequel Sith Lord!" Somehow won first attempt.
ReChain, The Sora Playthrough was the hardest for me. But it eventually clicked and I had fun with it, BECAUSE it was different. The Riku portion was the most fun to me.
KH2, kinda felt like a slog in some spots. But when it took off in the right areas, I mostly enjoyed myself whenever I was just disconnecting from the plot. "I just do not care, it is dumb bs anyways."
Watched the follow ups to 3D.
"I enjoyed 3D, minus the Rinzler fight due to I get motion sick easily. It does have flaws though gameplay wise, but still felt better than BBS."
I enjoyed the first 3rd of KH3. But it's bad when I need to buy a DLC, so I can turn of the features I hated like attractions. Again, first 3, fucking amazing. And then you get to Frozen and you just feel drained the longer the game goes on. I wanted to tap out by Pirates of the Caribbean. I wasn't having fun. And by time I finished it... I just didn't care.
And then I did the DLC, and was like. "Why wasn't this just the quality for the entire game...?" Annoyed, because it did a lot right. But it doesn't fix the 2/3rds issues I had with the rest of it. It just felt too bloated. But the first 3rd... was a genuinely fun game.
I'm just tired of this series lmfao. Everytime I have issues, I get bs reasons I'm told why I'm not allowed to voice it. It just... sucks that people are like that. Let people agree and disagree rather than try to shut a conversation down.
On your last point, a series like this is definitely nostalgic for many people. The Disney element only amplifies that. I think people just shut out any valid complaints or criticisms so they can keep their childhood "perfect".
@@dyltalksgames I grew up playing these, and I don't really have nostalgia for them. I know that sounds weird, but I have more nostalgia for classic Resident Evil games, doesn't stop me from tearing into them when there are design choices I didn't like.
The reason is. In my opinion "There was more problem solving involved. While RE1 Classic is cheesy, it was so in a funny way. RE2 was an iconic step up for any series. Sorta like FF4 to 7. They cover some of the same ground, but there is just a presentational difference in quality. Both are great. I loved Code Veronica as well. It had characters I invested in, even if Steve could be annoying." There was more to solve that wasn't complete gibberish, so it stuck with me way more.
It is a lack of maturity on their part in my opinion. Criticism is a very healthy thing to have. Yes, we sometimes lack the words to accurately describe what we mean. And sometimes we even go "What the fuck, this is awful." And have a hard time stating why, but we understand the feeling of frustration associated with such a conclusion.
KH3, was fucking bland to me after Monsters Inc. The beginning stuff, the Toy Box, all the way to Monster's Inc stuff? Great. Nothing overstayed it's welcome to the point of Tedium. And the gimmicks there, were also fine in context, and didn't overstay. That is where the game balance was at it's best on Proud. "It was mostly fair. The options were there too for you to alternate how you chose to handle it." You got to use Toys like mechs and just absolutely chunk things. It was fun, and didn't border too hard on boring Musso fantasy. "The balance was just right."
And when that balance is done improperly, you have that disconnect. Because you no longer care what is happening. It is just padding to you at that point. And that is what most of that game felt like. "Padding." Not the exciting type either. Just the "God fucking damn it, here we go again..."
Sorry for the long comment and long reply. It's rare I get to openly talk about this without people trying to crucify me.
As somebody who has played kingdom hearts 1 & 2 since they came out in 2002 & 2005, on the Playstation 2 when they released, I can tell you for a fact, kingdom hearts started declining in the late 2000s & 2010s when the games kept releasing on mobile gaming devices, I was only a kid back then, but even then I felt the series was being ruined by releasing such a amazing series on Nintendo ds & the psp, they should have just moved to the next console generation at that time, the ps3
I’m a die hard KH fan but I agree Nomura went overboard with the spinoffs it’s so stupid but I somehow still love it all, and I completely understand why you would hate a lot of the spin offs after kh2 😂 My friends are trying to get into the series and looking to me as their guide but now with all the crazy mobile game lore it feels impossible to explain without sitting them down for hours and I just want to tell them to turn back 😭
I mean I wouldn’t say overboard lol but still yeah it’s hard to not like fr 💙🤣 I’m a new fan and I loved the games and story wasn’t as confusing as most said and ofc Theres games I enjoy more than others but regardless the series is awesome,how you doing btw?
I always saw that parallel between Naruto and KH too 🎉❤ some of my favorite things growing up
It’s a shame what happened to this series. The original kingdom hearts game was my all time favourite growing up. It was just so magical and I couldn’t stop playing it. Nothing else like it either.
I mean it’s still a great series regardless 💙🙏🏻🫡 new fan here mostly but Theres definitely something to always enjoy so we’ll see if moving forward the series can still be awesome,it’s my fav atm
@@darkscoutergamer6168 I hope kingdom hearts 4 is great. I think we’ll get another trailer for the game early next year if I had to guess.
@@BrennySpain yes sir I’m excited for that one 💙 maybe game awards? But thats copium from me,how you doing today ?
@@darkscoutergamer6168 I think once final fantasy 7 rebirth comes out in February, then promotion will start for kingdom hearts 4. That would make the most sense to me.
@@BrennySpain oh yeah same thoughts here 💙🔥 hope you stay safe and blessed today btw
17:49 Last comment I swear, but calling Birth by Sleep, 358/2 Days, and DDD especially bridge games instead of… you know mainline entry’s that further the overall plots of the game is the reason why you may feel like that. It’s the reason why everyone talks about the mobile games being important, because with the slightest exception to Recoded since it’s truly important story beats comes at the end, all those “bridge” games hold important value to all the characters that were in it.
Appreciate all the comments. To be fair, I didn’t go into those games thinking they were bridge games. I gave them all a fair shot and I bought them all the day they came out because I was a kid who loved Kingdom Hearts. But even back then I could tell they didn’t have much story to offer. It’s like I said in the video, if a 20-30 hour RPG is only offering me 2-3 hours of vital plot/lore information, that’s kind of annoying. But that’s just my opinion of course.
I swear to god DillyD has the worst opinions in this video. He sounds like such a casual CoD playing gamer saying they should reset lore like in Final Fantasy and saying most of the franchise are "Bridge games"
After 2 the story writing made the universe became so boring and not excited
Lack of Interections between Final fantasy & Disney characters like cloud & Auron who fought hurcules and the serie focus on Disney too much more than final fantasy.
We play this game to see Interection between both but turn out to be one side or disney alone while Kingdom heart was consider to be a crossover game (Only 10% of Interections)
meh, I like BBS and COM but despite 3D and 358/2 days and re cored I don't acknowledge it either.
Also, while the feel of BBS and more so with DDD can feel a bit rough, you have full customization like any RPG allows you to do. You can easily make your character very strong within 2 hours of playing and if the feel on BBS was better, BBS would truly be a good, even great game.
DDD even with the PS4 remaster still feels a bit rough though, can’t excuse that.
BBS still is 🔥 anyway imo and yeah DDD gameplay is fun at first but later on it becomes stale and can’t blame it much since it was in 3Ds first
In my opinion, the problem with Kingdom Hearts (Aagain, after 2) was that the series was taken way more seriously than it needed to be. It didn't need a star wars treatment. It wasn't some grand story. It should have been some dumb romp with a surprisingly fun battle system. It has Sora interacting with Disney characters and for some reason, the occasional final fantasy character shows up. Now we have plot so convoluted that you have to wonder why they would put this much effort into an E rated game that was originally for kids. Kingdom Hearts was THE series that killed time as a plot device in games that didn't originally have time as a plot device for me. Honestly, they should have done what you stated. Moved on to a new character and have him/her have adventures (Which technically you could call Birth by Sleep the type of game I'm actually looking for) and new plot with maybe some easter eggs from each other here or there. I don't think the Kingdom Hearts series is ever going to get rid of Sora and the gang and that will ultimately lead to stagnation with the few people that are still die hard fans of the series.
Yeah and the funny thing is that quote I had in the video where Nomura said that “keeping Sora interesting over the games is challenging”. Nobody asked you to keep him around!
one of my biggest intrigues in the secret ending of kh2 is that sora, riku and mickey's keyblades are all shown in the ground which to me implies that this happens far after kh2 and honestly i would have loved to see the series have gone in this direction but instead they made bbs a prequel
im still excited to see where this crazy story goes even though i think the execution could have been stronger for way too many games at this point
"...pants over his pants. Leon has three belts on for no reason."
I love shit like that too brother. Lmfao.
I just try to have fun with it. Do I wish every game were as good or better than KH2? Yes. Do I expect them to be? No.
If I want to play a game with a good mix of narrative and gameplay, there are other games I can play for that. If I want to play a game where Mickey Mouse is a Jedi Master, I can fight my favorite villains along side my favorite heroes and body slam a pirate ship with another pirate ship, I have kingdom hearts for that.
(Plus, the digital Sora idea from Re:coded isn’t that far out there for this series. It’s basically an idea that was lifted from the original Tron movie. The stupidest part of that idea is what data Sora is used to navigate through. Pretty much proves the villain from the first Kingsmen movie wrong 😂)
Name me another game where you can summon Chicken Little to help you fight nobodies and heartless lol. KH 1 and 2 are forever great.
@@dyltalksgames never said they weren’t. Just saying every KH game can be enjoyed in different ways
@@shizuwolfSorry, my tone must’ve been off. I agree with you!
Good Video But I 100% Disagree With Your Opinion On The “Dark Ages” Of Games. Re:Coded Has The Best Command Deck Gameplay & BBS Has One Of The Best Stories In The Series Along With Union X.
I still love the PS2 games, Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and RE chain of memories. But holy crap I'll never be able to get past KINGDOM HEARTS HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue as the actual title of an actual game. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Is this one of those lost in translation things?
Don’t forget I.5 and II.5 where half the title is in Roman numerals and the other half isn’t lol.
Those aren't AS bad, because the the .5 shows its a remastered game with some additional content. It's still silly, why they couldn't just call it KH 1 and KH2 Final cut I'll never know.@@dyltalksgames
Observations:
2:20 There lies your first mistake: Days and reCoded. Those games had better gameplay than they had plot, cutscenes-only is the most cursed way to experience them.
5:30 1FM fixed this by adding more attack modifiers: slide dash, slapshot, hurricane break, ripple drive, zantetsuken, etc.
(and KH2 had those by default, although 2FM did add a lot of incredible modifiers that Osaka had no choice but to copy and paste them for ReFixed, cause they couldn't come up with anything that good themselves)
6:35 KH2 improved many things, but it wasn't perfect. KH1 still did a few things better.
7:00 Using the F word is a surefire way to get canceled by the sensitivity mods online. (cause it's the truth)
11:10 Not gonna say anything, just watch the ReCoded part at the end: th-cam.com/video/0Tg47P6lPo4/w-d-xo.html
13:10 The original plan was to port the DS games, but after the idea got scrapped in Days they didn't even try in reCoded. (you can tell cause Days did 1:1 cutscenes meant to fit into the game while reCoded took more liberties and had "cutscene combat" also the Xion tripping patch was a thing)
17:30 Reason this happened is simple: money.
21:50 BBS was Osaka's first ORIGINAL game, their first job in the series was the re:CoM. (which explains where they got the deck and shitty frame data from)
22:35 There is a 3rd Option actually: Hokkaido Artists Network & Development (HAND) the guys who made the DS games. They also worked on TWEWY Neo and honestly there's more potential there than meets the eye.
I’m my opinion I think the story is actually easier to follow than what people think at least in terms of its lore. It’s not that difficult if you really put the time in especially since it’s a little easier nowadays. I guess it depends on how much someone is willing to follow it. Lol I will say the more difficult ease of access of the titles back in the day made it harder for people to play the side games at the time so it’s a little understandable from that sense.
KAAIRIIIIIII !!!!
Kingdom Hearts III is by far the most successful Kingdom Hearts game, what are you even ranting about,? Very few substantial criticisms here that all amount to "handheld bad" and "long stories bad"
You may not like the experimental nature of the series but its undeniably more successful now than ever
In terms of sales, yes it’s more successful. Any game with the title “Kingdom Hearts 3” would have sold a ton of copies because it’s the game millions of people waited over a decade for. As for the “handheld bad” comment, sounds like you didn’t watch my 3 minute segment where I tear apart Birth By Sleep, Re Coded and Dream Drop Distance with valid game design complaints. Also, more people are buying and playing video games today than ever. By your logic, Final Fantasy 15 is better than the original 6 or 7.
Not even close. KH3 was lackluster af. It's one of those games that you beat once and never touch it again.
@StrategicLemon oh shit I'll stop my current (4th) replay, thanks for letting me know
@@Macro117 Was referring to myself and others who unfortunately wasted their time with this garbage. But if you like playing shit, who am I to stop you.
@DillyD. This isn't about Gonal Fantasy, it's about Kingdom Hearts, which you whined about the downfall of that never happened, and your "game design complaints" about BBS, Re:Coded and DDD are largely platform constraints, i think you just hate Kingdom Hearts dude
I feel like the reason why Disney parks and stuff don’t use kingdom hearts is probably because it would be messy or something to the brand with people wondering why there are other versions of people like Mickey or Winnie the Pooh.
Despite having never played any of the games as a kid and recently beat them all as an adult (though I'm emulating 358/2 Days [three five eight days over two] and will do the same for re:Coded) I'll admit it's alot for some and it may be if you're not into long running series, but the only major complaint I've had besides the DS games being hoed is that mobile games have the same level of canonicity as the real games, especially if the trailer of Kingdom Hearts 4 is anything to go by.
when they decided to turn into mobile game and what not.. i gave up..
Imagine replaying an arpg from 2002/2005 in 2023 and complaining about the world being "lifeless"
The main reason why there was so many handheld games at the time was because the developers couldn't start on KH3 until after Final Fantasy Vs XIII was released and Square at the time was going through a lot of issues behind the scenes. like you mentioned they were unfamiliar with the new graphics engine for the PS3 era but Square also had the 'bright' idea to try to create their own in-house engine called Crystal Tools... which fucked them over big time and left many games in their catalog with issues, once that happened all hands in Square had to be on deck to help out with those games.
Thank you for the extra insight!
Im getting a Brain aneurysm from reading these comments.
Ya'll can have your own oppinion and thats okay, but ya'll just seem so blinded by Nostalgia, like Holy shit.
Appreciate Kingdom hearts for what it is, the characters haven't gotten worse and no, KH2 isn't the (objectively seen) greatest Kingdom hearts game.
Anyone who doesn't get the story just got into it the wrong way and or gave up halfway through, because whether you like it or not, understanding Kingdom hearts isn't that hard.
I won't be watching this vid because Im already seeing comments like "I agree KH2 should've been the end of the series" LIKE WHAT THE F*CK DUDE, cool that you'd like to be left on a cliffhanger, I personally don't.
Like geez, I want my storys to be resolved mf.
And I also wanna see through what this story is telling, I find it interesting and enjoyable, if you can't do that please take your shit and back the f*ck off this franchise for your own good, you had your fun don't have to take it from others.
Share your oppinion, sure, but don't force onto others.
It ain't good to dwell on shit that you don't like anyway.
And It's even worse to make others who like it feel like their stupid for liking what they like.
I mean thats just the internet in a nutshell, but my point is:
Everythings bullshit, form your own oppinion, enjoy what you enjoy, stay away from what you dislike.
How ironic to tell people that everythings bullshit and their supposed to make their own oppinion, while at the same time also forcing my own oppinion onto them and stating it as a fact.
Eh, I can live with that contradiction.
Maybe I shouldn't be writing this shit while sleep deprived and massively sick.
F*ck everything, I hate the Internet, Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die. Might as well enjoy some wacky shit like Kingdom Hearts while Disneys still alive.
To live is to consume shit we like, otherwise you're just an inert chunk of randomly assembled molecules drifting wherever the universe blows you until your finite clock reaches it's end and suddenly nothing what once mattered, matters anymore and everything that never mattered seems like a missed chance to make an expierence that could've mattered.
I think what Im trying to get at here is, I should really stop trying to share my oppinion on the internet.
Maybe we all should at that, but then again, thats just my oppinion.
Edit: After reading the title I just wanted to add a *F"CK YOU* to this comment and say the franchise is still alive and kicking, its greater than ever and im enjoying every second of it, DOWNFALL MY ASS B*TCH
Keep up the great work
Thank you.
Whew ok-1-you replay yes. Have you ever played borderlands? Takes 18 runs to max all characters minimum
2-there’s a command deck because it originally released on freaking psp. Did you not know that?
3-there’s a guide that shows a literal ingredients list you need to get every ability at once. You can do it at the halfway point. Much faster
Way too many of these statements were way too opinionated, and I get that making fun of average content for being not the best thing ever might being one of your things, but this is an awful critique of somethings that you, and many other viewers and players alike, have no real personal connection to. I liked Birth By Sleep, Dream Drop Distance, Days, and one day I hope to play Re:Coded, you may call this a dark age, but the original Kingdom Hearts is not much better than Birth By Sleep.
P.S.
If you didn't like these games' gameplay in the beginning, why would you keep playing? And if you didn't like where the story was headed, WHY DID YOU KEEP PLAYING?
This and the FLCL community are so blinded by nostalgia, I swear
"And the sequel is the 13th"
God fucking dammit...
I just disaggre. I think you simply lost interest innthe series only see it surface level and dont get the deeper meanings. Its Even spellt out in UX : Selfishness vs selflessness .
But its ok if you simply stoped likeing kingdom hearts
You sound like you want developers to make you a fairy tale with a knight, a princess in distress and a dragon damn xd
All of your complaints are because lore in this game has misteries that are solved or developed with other games other than 1, 2 and 3, as those revolve arround the PROTAGONIST who is SORA and his power of Waking getting developed. All the other games are not "Bridge games" but lore for the saga
What even is the power of waking?
The Power of Waking is the hability that Sora, Riku and King Mikey have. With the power of waking you can do many things and I hope I don't get them wrong.
The first one is teleporting to places in time and space where your friends hearts are located, kinda similar in how other people use objects (like Brains hat or Maleficents coat) to travel through time.
The second one is resurecting peoples hearts not long after they are deseased, like Sora did in KHIII with Kairy.
I personally think the power of waking is also linked with "freeing the worlds" and all the stuff with the locks you do in KH 1, 2 and 3
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@@Katocat Thanks I don't remember any of this being explained in the games. Was it? Did I just miss it? I never played the dlc for kh3.
The power of Waking was introduced in Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance I think!!! Its normal that u miss it, Kingdom Hearts has the amazing ability to hide the most important things in plain sight hahaha
KH peaked at BBS and DDD. Everything after that has being a trainwreck from KH3 to all the mobile stuff
Disagree on the mobile stuff lol that stuff is great IMO(probably second fav story)but definitely can understand about 3 although I enjoyed it myself,we’ll see moving forward how it goes but I respect you🔥
Ehh.. DDD is wack, i never understood the mobile stuff, and I've not played KH3 yet.
@@TailsGuy72 ngl DDD is definitely one where I can see both arguments 🤣 it’s a interesting game fr
4:25 SOOOOOOOO ANNOYING!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡
Wait till you also include the content from MoM, KHx/KHUx/KHUx, KHDR, the upcoming KHML, and the novels. The story in the whole series is an absolute train wreck.
For me it was the story just bloating up and convolution. It's not complicated but there's a lot that isn't explained that should, a lot that should but isn't, and then we got that lackluster finale in 3...
In my opinion, Kingdom Hearts' story started to go downhill with Birth by Sleep. Prior to that point, the stories were very personal despite being world-saving adventures. The focus was always on the interpersonal relationships that had been built up throughout the series. But then BBS comes along and basically inserts a whole new cast of characters who have relationships that are barely fleshed out, ultimately have limited connection to the cast from previous games due to being a prequel with a forgotten cast, and turns Xehanort into Sosuke Aizen. Now the remainder of the series is trying to awkwardly juggle this added on element and winds up doing things like turning Sora into a Messianic figure who has to save everyone instead of just being a kid who happened to be in the right place at the right time to get a power that let him save his friends.
Birth by sleep is so bad. I really wanted to like it because I think Aqua is cool. But that game was one of the worst I played this year.
@@dyltalksgames it’s definitely not bad lmao I do agree had some issues but maybe that’s nostalgic for me,still understand you regardless 👍most still agree it’s game you can see why it’s loved in the community but I respect your view anyway
Jiminey cricket… you know the most important player 😂😂😂
All of Kingdom Hearts games are amazing. Im sure a lot of people who comment have just played KH1, 2 and maybe Birth By Sleep.
Personly I lived kh 3. And i can tell you that mostt issues in the plot come from Mistranslations. Nonura isnt happy about the way the Story gets translatet sometimes but cant Do anything about that.
The translators sometimes Do what they want becaus ther work with a litle loophole.
Also recoded mightvaculy forshadow future plotpoints for the lost Master arc when it comes to Riku and Sora as the Story is ultimatly about ther Growth
Also ther is no Osaka Team. Its just simply that at the time this new Team wantet to try out making a KH Team and by this point members that worked on KH 1 and 2 ar part of that Team
Ther also helped out on FF16.
When it comes to the plot its just alot to remember and full of mistranslations that muddle the experience. These Stack up and you get to the point ypu ar in
So i understand you checked out.
Its also Not bad if you just outgrow the series and just see it as childish.
Nomura has a ending in mind for this series though so mayby someday you atleast get to see That ending for Soras Story. ( KH is a series wher Sora will be the Main hero untill its end)
absolutely disagree and find most of your points awful! 😁 and i say this as someone who, doesn’t rlly have any particular enjoyment for the other games aside 1 and 2.
13:18 and that is because nintendo doesent like people emulating their games especially thrid party companies
Only a RH would diss on KH3 😒😒😒
Kh3 to me was a complete disaster. The series is dead to me
Lmaoo
Thank you! KH3 sucked ass!
To each their own
Kh is bussin always will be
Don't like the direction then move on. No need to rant with horrible KH2 propaganda. You have no right to make fun of DDD when you praise 2 a game with stagger that hardly lets you stagger bosses and bosses have barely any openings and some force you to use a tool on a limited resource that being reflect when ou should be able to just block a majority of attacks and be able to get openings even when reflect is unavailable and some are super unfun and sora is not built to fight alot of them. Dark thorn is awful, geni jafar sucks, luxord sucks, xigbar and xaldin suck to fight against, Drive forms punish you for attacking by draining faster in combat and anti form should not exist to punish people for experimenting and having fun not to mention important movement abilities locked behind the forms and the forms taking centuries to grind and magic feels awful to use like look how they massacred fire magic. Space paranoids sucks as a world due to some enemies and the first boss, pridelands is awful, Experiment in halloweentown is only fun phase 2, guard breaks happen way to often in 2 and all the praise you give it you never point out teh fact and others miss this which is you are praising mainly 2fm not 2. Also the data fights are just the same as the original fights with the org members jus tnow they have more health and some are bugged out like vexen when talking 2fm and a majority of the world bosses mmake you play some lame minigame to get openings and reaction commands suck to use and battle of 1000 heartless as cool as it was sucks in the gameplay department especially when playing level 1 crit where you don't have 2nd chance and once more unlike KH1 and 3 where you get those 3 with accessory system from getting it as a reward from frozen slider minigame and flash tracer course and is extremely easy to obtain making endgame never one shot you at level 1 crit and you never deal chip damage while 2 level 1 crit it feels like you deal chip damage even with the best keyblades and 1 on the 0 exp ability. If tokyo team never returns good cause they don't know how to make combat post Kh1. H.A.N.D i would love to see help with combat in a future game given how fun Neo Twewy and Recoded can be. Osaka team learned from mistakes they made in the past and made some of the best gameplay in the series with KH3. Stagger endurance is a great mechanic for big bosses, Revenge Value system is almost perfect in 3 with the humanoid bosses and finally there is more emphasis on teh disney worlds again with platforming and puzzles starting to come back with fun little treasure hunts that reward exploration. Only thing i dislike about the direciton of the story is mainly the tie ins to the mobile games and the mobile games being such huge important entries to the series. Would rather they had made mobile games actual playable console titles given how good the mobile game stories are especially and looking at how good missing link looks imagine if it was just a fully fleshed out non gatcha console game in the style of like a KH MMO. Sounds really cool to me. Also when talking about story 1's is good but foreshadowed teh whole direction it went after 2 if you bothered reading the ansem reports and already had some "convoluted" stuff, 2 story is better having played days but they did a bad job with sora's character, DDD Sora is great, KH3 has the best sora since KH1 and there was no way the finale could have been perfrect given the circumstances that happened with 3. BBS gameplay is awful but story is amazing. Days is not that bad and its super important to kh2 at least so it deserved better and the only reason days and recoded are not replayable is either 1 or 2 had their source coding lost iirc idk all teh dev circumstances. Also there are no actual bridge games in KH or spinoffs exactly. Every game aside from recoded is important to the story.
Kingdom Hearts definitely didn’t fall off. KH3 is my favorite game in the series.
Really? Why do you like kh3? I think it sucks, but I would like to hear your answer.
For me the mobile games ruined it, the spin offs were fine but the mobile games, .... i hate them, then KH3 came out and my heart was never the same
The mobile games has some of the best content but to each their own including KH3 of not being everyone's cup of tea
KH3 is on par with 1 and 2 though. Even better in many ways
Lol really I think that game is trash. The only thing it has better is the graphics and that doesn't really matter. But I'm not dissing your opinion. Why do you think it's on par?
ur cappin one of final fantasys biggest problems right now is it keeps resetting and there no need to waste your time on most games IMO. Like I've only played 7remake, 15 and 16 because the others are to old and with no connections it's just kinda dumb. Yeah they're somewhat complete stories but i don't only care about story i want gameplay too. With KH while the spin-offs may be different it kinda keeps fresh going into the next main title and the reason i like the games the amazing music, cool worlds and the combat. While the combat ain't the exact same it gives something different. but when it comes to story if you want a really good story playgow or you know read book.
also the deck system in re:coded is goat and gets worse with each other game
is it because a black man can have a keyblade? lol. i just have to say it. lol.
No your nitpicking and biased i win
Nah
Lol you literally think that kingdom hearts 2 is the best when the story was the weakest lol even union x have better story y'all the nostalgia dulul are so funny 🤣😂
Didnt watch + dont care + L take