I am always awed how the Nationalists and Separatists use the "Catalan Model" as the example. The Catalan experiment is failing and so will this Quebec model. You cannot change culture by forcing a language down people's throats. The reason Francophones migrate towards English is that it created opportunities and people are interested in improving their lives and prosperity, something that living in a French ghetto won't provide.
That’s exactly what the Commissioner said, forcing official language doesn’t necessarily work. Encourage and increase exchange between various groups is more desirable.
@@Christian_Martel francophones are choosing english universities, so the solution is to teach more french in universities? That doesn't solve the original issue. His goal is to attack english institutions. Just last week he recommended not adding more buildings to McGill.
@@Christian_Martel francophones are choosing english universities, so the solution is to teach more french in universities? That doesn't solve the original issue. His goal is to attack english institutions. Just last week he recommended not adding more buildings to McGill.
Francophones wouldn’t be exposed to English language content if English classes weren’t allowed in the French school system. Maybe this commissioner should focus on doing that if he wants to mandate French language content for Francophones in their daily life. But don’t come imposing that on Anglophones without addressing the problem within the Francophone community first. It’s also funny how Quebec separatists get sent to English school in order to fulfill their parents dream to be bilingual, but then they want to make English a problem with the Anglophone community out of hatred and jealousy.
I don't think Quebecers are averse to learning English. Just the opposite. Individually, most francophones make quite a bit of choices and effort to learn English. But when they sit back... they don't want everyone to bilingual... because that would make French society somehow optional. they want the society to be French but also want all their children to learn English. Not a criticism... I get the tension. just trying to describe it.
The majority of people choosing English post-secondary institutions are francophones who want better English speaking proficiency. They aren't losing their French. They are adding English. The effect of current laws is to prevent francophones from improving their English. The elites pay to go to international schools, or have English speaking nannies... most people can't afford that. So it's pushing unlingualism on francophones.
Not true. I learned English at the age of 12 and nobody prevented me from doing so. Today I am fluent in Greek, in French, in English an a bit of spanish. I am grateful that I learned french at an early age because French is a difficult language to learn. By the way, why are you so concerned about french people?
Genuine question: Is english media banned in Québec? For example, if I go on TH-cam and want to watch a video in english, does the provincial government block that? I'm always taken aback by these sorts of discussions because they talk about the issue like as if you have no choice but to live, breathe, and sleep in a french approved way? I've always been baffled by the willingness of separatists to essentially restrict freedoms and choices. All for the sake of preserving what is basically a political movement rather than a cultural one.
@ellascyprus6184 There is systemic stupidity in Quebec. Too much corruption in the construction industry, too many taxes, too much taxation, and too little emphasis on French and reading and writing. But I am full of hope. Quebec can still be the visionary leader in Canada, for Canada.
@@tammat8625 It's not that immigrants should not be allowed to speak English. People can speak whatever they wish. But immigrants not learning French and not proving themselves to be functional in French, THIS IS THE PROBLEM. The Quebec government is not being stringent enough. It is letting immigrants get away with not learning French.
@@arkatheistcc2353 well, they speak English to the rest of canada, but in Quebec, they have to speak French. It's not about not letting them speak English, but about adding French to their daily lives.
As an immigrant I’m glad the Québec government forced me to study in French. Enforcing it in the workplace however has been a detriment in my experience
@@Rhade15 Thank you for replying. I would like to see francophones do more team meetings in French if the company is local. This is something that needs to be encouraged.
@@stephenstaeger1888 yeah, but lets say you immigrated to italy, you will have to learn italian. You cant say: I wont learn it because the rest of the world functions in english.
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I am always awed how the Nationalists and Separatists use the "Catalan Model" as the example. The Catalan experiment is failing and so will this Quebec model. You cannot change culture by forcing a language down people's throats. The reason Francophones migrate towards English is that it created opportunities and people are interested in improving their lives and prosperity, something that living in a French ghetto won't provide.
That’s exactly what the Commissioner said, forcing official language doesn’t necessarily work. Encourage and increase exchange between various groups is more desirable.
@@Christian_Martel but he also said isolate francophone kids so they aren't interacting with anglophones kids. A whole bunch of nothing was said.
@@Christian_Martel francophones are choosing english universities, so the solution is to teach more french in universities? That doesn't solve the original issue. His goal is to attack english institutions. Just last week he recommended not adding more buildings to McGill.
@@Christian_Martel francophones are choosing english universities, so the solution is to teach more french in universities? That doesn't solve the original issue. His goal is to attack english institutions. Just last week he recommended not adding more buildings to McGill.
Spot on! That's all it is, just another french colony ghetto. That is all it will ever be.
The government should not interfere in peoples private lives
Francophones wouldn’t be exposed to English language content if English classes weren’t allowed in the French school system. Maybe this commissioner should focus on doing that if he wants to mandate French language content for Francophones in their daily life. But don’t come imposing that on Anglophones without addressing the problem within the Francophone community first. It’s also funny how Quebec separatists get sent to English school in order to fulfill their parents dream to be bilingual, but then they want to make English a problem with the Anglophone community out of hatred and jealousy.
I don't think Quebecers are averse to learning English. Just the opposite. Individually, most francophones make quite a bit of choices and effort to learn English. But when they sit back... they don't want everyone to bilingual... because that would make French society somehow optional. they want the society to be French but also want all their children to learn English. Not a criticism... I get the tension. just trying to describe it.
The majority of people choosing English post-secondary institutions are francophones who want better English speaking proficiency. They aren't losing their French. They are adding English. The effect of current laws is to prevent francophones from improving their English. The elites pay to go to international schools, or have English speaking nannies... most people can't afford that. So it's pushing unlingualism on francophones.
Not true. I learned English at the age of 12 and nobody prevented me from doing so. Today I am fluent in Greek, in French, in English an a bit of spanish. I am grateful that I learned french at an early age because French is a difficult language to learn.
By the way, why are you so concerned about french people?
This is a very constructive discussion. I would hope politicians have this level of cool-headed attitude.
Dream on. CAQ policy is DIVIDE and CONQUER.
Not much was really said, and he solved problems with irrelevant solutions.
Genuine question: Is english media banned in Québec? For example, if I go on TH-cam and want to watch a video in english, does the provincial government block that? I'm always taken aback by these sorts of discussions because they talk about the issue like as if you have no choice but to live, breathe, and sleep in a french approved way? I've always been baffled by the willingness of separatists to essentially restrict freedoms and choices. All for the sake of preserving what is basically a political movement rather than a cultural one.
Haha you need to touch grass. Go walk around montreal, you'll mostly hear english on the streets.
@lot3oo oh good, then I have nothing to worry about.
Poor guy tilted his head so many times lolllll
TOO MUCH SYSTEMIC RACISM IB QUEBEC
Can you explain your point of you please ?
@@guillaumelapalme393 He should watch everywere on this planet!
@ellascyprus6184
There is systemic stupidity in Quebec. Too much corruption in the construction industry, too many taxes, too much taxation, and too little emphasis on French and reading and writing. But I am full of hope. Quebec can still be the visionary leader in Canada, for Canada.
To much is an understatement.
@@najsarvam7431 pleae share why is an understatement !
It has strictly nothing to do with immigrants. Quebec unfortunately cannot deal with the fundamental issue of French on its own.
Immigrants who speak english once they come here
But I acknowledge that they are not the only cause
@tammat8625 because 95% of canada, and the whole world runs off English.
@@tammat8625 It's not that immigrants should not be allowed to speak English. People can speak whatever they wish. But immigrants not learning French and not proving themselves to be functional in French, THIS IS THE PROBLEM. The Quebec government is not being stringent enough. It is letting immigrants get away with not learning French.
@@arkatheistcc2353 well, they speak English to the rest of canada, but in Quebec, they have to speak French. It's not about not letting them speak English, but about adding French to their daily lives.
As an immigrant I’m glad the Québec government forced me to study in French. Enforcing it in the workplace however has been a detriment in my experience
@Rhade15
Could you provide an example of or explain how French has been enforced in the workplace?
@@paulthomas281 Using Windows in French which limits the tech resources available for troubleshooting
Windows is garbage anyways !
@@Rhade15 Thank you for replying. I would like to see francophones do more team meetings in French if the company is local. This is something that needs to be encouraged.
Yes it is. Its discrimination, end of discussion.
You are the discrimination!
@davidlefranc6240 go back to mommy's basement little snowflake, adults are talking.
@@davidlefranc6240Go live in your french bubble and leave us alone. Pick fights you can win, this is not one of them.
@@najsarvam7431 learn history and etymology, nothing is black and white
The objective is not to get rid of English. Why did someone tell me to stop speaking English at the Bay in downtown Montreal.
I love the wording he uses, "fix the problem". 😂 you got to laugh.
I feel like saving French in Québec is a losing battle. Promoting Francophone content creators would definitely help.
@Techgnome21
Promoting and saving French with the under-30 crowd does feel like a losing battle. But we must never give up.
Demographics is the solution
We spend too much money on it. The world is going for a universal language.
You mean the beautiful and graceful language of English. YES!!
@@stephenstaeger1888 yeah, but lets say you immigrated to italy, you will have to learn italian. You cant say: I wont learn it because the rest of the world functions in english.
@@tammat8625 But Italy is not part of a nation that also speaks English, while also having a huge English speaking cousin nation bordering it.
Nah not at all if i rely on Germans they want to keep their language ! Its the same everywhere in EU!
And Spanish is taking over !
Encourage French but avoid social engineering
@JNO_JNO
What do you mean by social engineering?
You preach cuz the opposite is true too!