Once you have the rigid 1/2" copper protruding from the wall, Delta's hardware is the best. This video mentions the Delta slip-on-set-screw version at 2:20, and proceeds to show the Delta pipe thread version using a compression fitting (both methods are solderless). These spouts always need replacing after 8-20 years because they are zinc die castings that corrode and fail. The brass Delta adapter is the best solution for that future repair or remodel. It has an o-ring seal and parallel threads that tolerate inaccurately cut pipe lengths or a new tile thickness. The set screws in the other slip on methods will soon be inoperable due to corrosion. The pipe threads in all the other tapered thread methods will usually be seized (zinc corrosion), so you'll twist the copper pipe which destroys it and causes about 3 more hours of work. If you are lucky enough to unscrew the non-Delta spout, the protruding pipe is unlikely to be the correct length.
I'm trying to get one installed, do you recommend the best way to do it without solder is using compression fitting as this guy in the video? Or is there another way?
Im in this situation right now. Its been more than 20 years I think. I saw that they still sell the replacement tub spouts at some pages. Gotta order them to Estonia.
I liked it, you definitely gave me ideas. Btw "NPT" is an acronym National Pipe Thread, and the compression doohickey the goes over the copper pipe after the nut before tightening is called a ferrule. Thanks, MIke
Good video. Almost put a Shark bite connection on the pipe but realized that once installed, there is nothing to keep the actual spout from turning. Compression fitting is a great call if you don't want to sweet the thing 😁. Thanks again
THANKS - first video that says clearly...put your threads at ..."no more than 1 5/8" from the wall"! Not sure why everyone is so careful to never tell you. Thanks DIY Home Repair - SUBSCRIBE!!
The Delta 17453 spout you show in vid only fits 1/2 copper. I can’t find a spout that fits over existing one inch sleeve adapter. Your vid shows one inch connector in spout.
Hey so what if you already have the same spout and just want to replace it with the same brand do need to replace the copper ring or could I use the same one
As long as it the same brand and model you should be able to use the same parts. The model may not matter either, but I would try to get as close to the same style as you can. Not all models install the same way
I’ve been using the delta pulldown diverter tub spout for a few years. When had to replace the spout, I’ve only had to attach the adapter to the original pipe nipple and then, screw on the spout. Now, I’ve completely replaced all parts but it’s leaking behind the wall and under my tub, bringing up the floor linoleum tiles. Any suggestions why?!
Has it been leaking for a long time? I actually had a similar issue and I had to replace the diverter. This was a different tub though. It's possible that the seal in the diverter that stops the water isn't working properly.
Finally, a repair video which uses compression fittings. Some installers fry the acrylic or plastic backing with a torch, which is totally unnecessary.
@DIY Home Repair - Do you have an impression or opinion on the durability and reliability of the pull-down diverter mechanism used by Delta on the spout shown in this video? Many of the inexpensive aftermarket diverter spouts with a stem-type diverter tend to get leaky due to corrosion of the die cast zinc of which they're made, plus mineral accretion if the local water supply is hard. I'm wondering if the Delta design is better in this regard.
In my previous and current house I have had Delta pull down diverters and haven't really had any issues with leaking. I have looked at several of the universal diverters and they look cheap to me. The Delta one I think is built a bit better which is why you pay a bit more and it requires a bit more knowledge to install. I have heard Moen is decent as well though I haven't installed one before. That's just my opinion. You pay for what you get.
My plumber installed this faucet when we moved in about 16 months ago, and it failed yesterday. I’m replacing it with the same because I can’t afford a plumber today, but even the Delta is subject to failure. I certainly wouldn’t go with anything cheaper without a strong recommendation.
I love mine, replacing tomorrow that’s why I’m watching….no leaks and it’s been installed since 2005. Only replacing due to the pull down parts silver paint coming off
Thank you for this tutorial, l learn a great deal about Delta tub spout. I have a similar spout in which the adapter is in the spout when I unscrew it out of the pipe (because the water started leaking in the back of the spout). When I bought a replacement spout, seems like the adapter is already screwed inside the spout, is that normal?
If you bought a new Delta tub spout the metal adapter should be inside of the package. It's usually screwed into the tub spout when you buy it. You would only need to buy one if you wanted an adapter with a set screw. If water is leaking that may mean the seal on the adapter is bad and may need to be replaced. If it's not a Delta model and something generic it's possible that the adapter is just part of the tub spout.
Can you replace the O-ring on the adapter without replacing the adapter? Just wondering cuz I don't own a torch to take it off (I have a heat gun but I've heard that doesn't always work) nor do I have a soldering iron to attach a new adapter. So is it possible to just replace the o ring if swapping out the tub spouts don't work?
There's actually a divet on the bottom of all tub spouts, so if there's any leakage in the connection it can drain out the back/bottom of the tub spout. If it was sealed to the back wall, any leaking water would be forced into the wall. Which would be terrible.
Hi, hope you can help. I have an old Delta wall mounted tub spout that looks similar to what you have, with the pull down diverter for the shower head. I bought a Delta pull up diverter spout. Can they be switched out without doing anything but unscrewing one and putting the other on?
It just depends on what adapter is on the existing one and what adapter is required for the new one. What is the model number of the new one you are trying to put on? If you can unscrew the one that is currently on the tub you could verify that its the same adapter with the new one and if its not you should be able to screw the old spout back on. It really just depends on the adapter and whether or not its compatible for both models. Otherwise you would need to change out the adapter and that could be more involved. Unfortunately I can't say for sure either way without seeing the adapters.
Please, please help me! I have watched several videos regarding the shower tub spout installation and yours is the best so far but I still have questions for you that I feel no one has addressed fully. You do mention that the copper pipe (unthreaded) supply protruding from the wall needs to be a specific length but do not mention why. I need to know this because I tried installing the universal tub spout so that it was 1 5/8" away fro the wall and it still leaked. My tub spout leaks from the back and I had a standard tub spout with a set screw to tighten it onto the1/2" copper pipe. I believe that the interior gasket is damaged but can't figure out how to replace it. my 1/2" copper pipe protrudes out from the wall by 7cm (3 3/4"). How can I stop the water from leaking out back (is the compression adapter the only way) and what is the maximum length the copper pipe should be?
So the 1 5/8 is due to the length necessary for the Delta tub spout. That is because the adapter needs to screw into the tub spout and for that to happen the adapter needs to be at least 1 5/8 from the wall. This probably isn't necessary with a universal spout, of course that depends on the brand you have. Is it a new universal spout? What brand is it? Unfortunately there isn't a standard model of tub spout adapter so they all go on a bit differently.
DIY Home Repair-my original universal tub spout leaked and I suspected it was the rubber gasket within the spout which I was looking to replace but couldn’t figure out how to remove and replace it. After purchasing a replica replacement, smoothing the copper pipe with sand paper and installing the new spout, I achieved my leak free tub spout. Sad that I couldn’t replace the gasket.
I am not sure I completely understand your question. It depends a bit on the valve you are using, but in most cases the valve will either send water to the tub spout or the shower head.
I just bought a new new delta trim kit to replace the old delta shower and tub set up. (T14461 Model). Unfortunately the adapter for the tub that was included in the new Compel trim kit has no set screw as the old Delta pull down diverter does. I called Delta and they tell me that they don't make one in a size that fits that model and that i will need to get a plumber in to sweat the new adapter on? : / Is there a way around this? Why should I have to purchase a new tub spout when I paid for the one in the kit? I already installed the showered and the handle. Is there any generic adapter I can buy so that I don't have to learn how to use a blow torch and sweat a pipe or alternatively hire a plumber and pay $$ to attach the tub spout? Many thanks for any advice.
As I have never installed that specific tub spout I can't say for sure. But based on tub spouts I have installed before, usually the adapter is threaded on the inside which would allow you to screw it onto the pipe. If it is, you could use a compression fitting similar to what I use in the video and attach the adapter that way. The compression fitting may be a different size then what I use in the video though. You may also need to cut the pipe depending on its current length. Its at about the 2 minute mark on the video.
@@HomeRepairHub really would like to use the same compression fit as yours, but don't know what size to Buy, I have a 1/2" pipe can you send me the size to get please
@@HomeRepairHub it is a brushed nickel finish with pull down diverter like the one in this video. The hot cold handle is similar to the one in your video in that it is a single handle design. I do not have the model number. I contacted the store I purchased it from in 2007 so that is a start. The issue I am having is that when the shower handle spray is on, water still comes down from the tub spout. The pressure isn't all that great too. This was working fine until I changed the shower head and replaced it with hand held spray. Thank you for your assistance.
@@johnmagee3292 so assuming that it is the same pull down diverter that is in the video, all you would need to do is unscrew the tub spout from the adapter. If you watched the last minute or so of the video you can see how I screwed on the spout, just unscrew the spout. Again assuming the diverter is the same, you can probably just screw a new tub spout over the old adapter. Menards, Home Depot, or Lowe's should have one. The spout leaking is unfortunately pretty common and it will definitely cause pressure loss. If the tub spout won't unscrew you may need to contact a plumber. Unfortunately, without seeing the spout and adapter I can't say for sure how to fix your issue. I am also not a plumber.
In the video you don't exert much of a load on the nut that is compressing the sleeve. My plumber friend just left, he exerted A HUGE LOAD on that nut (up against the shower wall). It was leaking when I installed it and causing my frustration level to peak. Also, the plastic bag that the compression fitting came in had in all UPPER CASE..... DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN. BS! BEST TIP I can give anyone that watches this, is don't be afraid to tighten the heck out of that nut!!!! The sleeve is what prevents leakage, you are compressing a round and SOLID sleeve onto a round and SOLID pipe, YOU HAVE TO APPLY A SERIOUS LOAD to get the sleeve to seal against the copper pipe. Wasted a lot of time trying to troubleshoot, my plumber friend took a couple minutes. Learn from me, and if possible the video needs to be edited.
I am glad you got it sealed. Though my guess would be that the pipe was not clean and there was something stopping you from getting a good seal. Assuming it was copper (which is a soft metal), overtightening can damage the pipe and cause it to not seal properly. What I showed in the video is how much I had to tighten it. Each situation, is of course different, but overtightening can definitely damage the pipe and the sleeve. Hopefully you don't have issues in the future.
To much hassle, all you had to do was solder it on. Remove O ring clean copper pipe outside, and the adapter inside, put flux on both and push adapter on then solder it, wait till it cools, put O ring back on and your done, don't need no Teflon tape on adapter when you solder it because the O ring stops the water from going back out. I have owned a plumbing company for over 20 years and I installed over 300 of these in the past 13 years of being a licensed master plumber. If you solder the adapter on you will never have to worry bout it, when O ring goes bad 15 years down the road just replace the O-Ring
He got his point across and it was correct but the dick plumber in me wants to criticize him for calling a 1/2” male adapter a coupling. Also it’s not mip, it’s MIP. It’s an acronym for male iron pipe. Personally I wouldn’t use a compression fitting. Mainly because there’s much better ways for a lot less money.
I'm trying to get one installed, what fitting would you recommend? I can't afford to solder it since i don't have a torch and even if I did, the plastic tub might melt.
@@dm7g do it just like he did and it will be fine. They also make some that just slip directly on to the copper and then there’s a set screw that you tighten
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Thank you. Your description of getting the right length and using the compression fitting was very helpful.
Once you have the rigid 1/2" copper protruding from the wall, Delta's hardware is the best.
This video mentions the Delta slip-on-set-screw version at 2:20, and proceeds to show the Delta pipe thread version using a compression fitting (both methods are solderless).
These spouts always need replacing after 8-20 years because they are zinc die castings that corrode and fail.
The brass Delta adapter is the best solution for that future repair or remodel. It has an o-ring seal and parallel threads that tolerate inaccurately cut pipe lengths or a new tile thickness. The set screws in the other slip on methods will soon be inoperable due to corrosion. The pipe threads in all the other tapered thread methods will usually be seized (zinc corrosion), so you'll twist the copper pipe which destroys it and causes about 3 more hours of work. If you are lucky enough to unscrew the non-Delta spout, the protruding pipe is unlikely to be the correct length.
I'm trying to get one installed, do you recommend the best way to do it without solder is using compression fitting as this guy in the video? Or is there another way?
This is what I needed. Confirmation solderless
Im in this situation right now. Its been more than 20 years I think. I saw that they still sell the replacement tub spouts at some pages. Gotta order them to Estonia.
I liked it, you definitely gave me ideas. Btw "NPT" is an acronym National Pipe Thread, and the compression doohickey the goes over the copper pipe after the nut before tightening is called a ferrule. Thanks, MIke
Good video. Almost put a Shark bite connection on the pipe but realized that once installed, there is nothing to keep the actual spout from turning. Compression fitting is a great call if you don't want to sweet the thing 😁. Thanks again
Awesome frigin video.you literally saved me $500, thanks so much.
Glad it helped. I appreciate the feedback.
THANKS - first video that says clearly...put your threads at ..."no more than 1 5/8" from the wall"! Not sure why everyone is so careful to never tell you. Thanks DIY Home Repair - SUBSCRIBE!!
I have not yet found any demos on how to disassemble the pulldown spout/ring. Does anyone know where I can find such a diagram/video?
I followed all steps but delta tub spout won’t twist over the nipple hex part?? Thanks for your video appreciate it. 😊
The Delta 17453 spout you show in vid only fits 1/2 copper. I can’t find a spout that fits over existing one inch sleeve adapter. Your vid shows one inch connector in spout.
Hey so what if you already have the same spout and just want to replace it with the same brand do need to replace the copper ring or could I use the same one
As long as it the same brand and model you should be able to use the same parts. The model may not matter either, but I would try to get as close to the same style as you can. Not all models install the same way
You just saved me about $500
I’ve been using the delta pulldown diverter tub spout for a few years. When had to replace the spout, I’ve only had to attach the adapter to the original pipe nipple and then, screw on the spout. Now, I’ve completely replaced all parts but it’s leaking behind the wall and under my tub, bringing up the floor linoleum tiles. Any suggestions why?!
Has it been leaking for a long time? I actually had a similar issue and I had to replace the diverter. This was a different tub though. It's possible that the seal in the diverter that stops the water isn't working properly.
@HomeRepairHub how far off the wall do you have to cut the copper pipe?
It depends on the method you use, and I talk about it in the video. If you are using the same spout I have, it's 1 5/8.
thank you.@@HomeRepairHub
Finally, a repair video which uses compression fittings. Some installers fry the acrylic or plastic backing with a torch, which is totally unnecessary.
@DIY Home Repair - Do you have an impression or opinion on the durability and reliability of the pull-down diverter mechanism used by Delta on the spout shown in this video? Many of the inexpensive aftermarket diverter spouts with a stem-type diverter tend to get leaky due to corrosion of the die cast zinc of which they're made, plus mineral accretion if the local water supply is hard. I'm wondering if the Delta design is better in this regard.
In my previous and current house I have had Delta pull down diverters and haven't really had any issues with leaking. I have looked at several of the universal diverters and they look cheap to me. The Delta one I think is built a bit better which is why you pay a bit more and it requires a bit more knowledge to install. I have heard Moen is decent as well though I haven't installed one before. That's just my opinion. You pay for what you get.
My plumber installed this faucet when we moved in about 16 months ago, and it failed yesterday. I’m replacing it with the same because I can’t afford a plumber today, but even the Delta is subject to failure. I certainly wouldn’t go with anything cheaper without a strong recommendation.
I love mine, replacing tomorrow that’s why I’m watching….no leaks and it’s been installed since 2005. Only replacing due to the pull down parts silver paint coming off
How do u go from bath to shower without the pull up knob from the spout
there is a pull down ring on the spout
@@HomeRepairHub ty
Thank you for this tutorial, l learn a great deal about Delta tub spout. I have a similar spout in which the adapter is in the spout when I unscrew it out of the pipe (because the water started leaking in the back of the spout). When I bought a replacement spout, seems like the adapter is already screwed inside the spout, is that normal?
If you bought a new Delta tub spout the metal adapter should be inside of the package. It's usually screwed into the tub spout when you buy it. You would only need to buy one if you wanted an adapter with a set screw. If water is leaking that may mean the seal on the adapter is bad and may need to be replaced. If it's not a Delta model and something generic it's possible that the adapter is just part of the tub spout.
@@HomeRepairHub my pipe is PVC, can I do the same type of connection that u did?
My adapter does not easily go over the copper pipe. The pipe seems to thick. It is the adapter with the set screw. Ant thoughts or suggestions?
Is it a copper stub out? Is it just tight or does it not fit at all? Most usually it 1/2in copper but it's possible it 3/4.
Can you replace the O-ring on the adapter without replacing the adapter? Just wondering cuz I don't own a torch to take it off (I have a heat gun but I've heard that doesn't always work) nor do I have a soldering iron to attach a new adapter. So is it possible to just replace the o ring if swapping out the tub spouts don't work?
Yes. I am sure you could find a replacement online or take it into a plumbing supply store.
Great video. Thanks!
Interesting....why wouldn't their be an oring to help seal the spout against the wall?
There's actually a divet on the bottom of all tub spouts, so if there's any leakage in the connection it can drain out the back/bottom of the tub spout. If it was sealed to the back wall, any leaking water would be forced into the wall. Which would be terrible.
Hi, hope you can help. I have an old Delta wall mounted tub spout that looks similar to what you have, with the pull down diverter for the shower head. I bought a Delta pull up diverter spout. Can they be switched out without doing anything but unscrewing one and putting the other on?
It just depends on what adapter is on the existing one and what adapter is required for the new one. What is the model number of the new one you are trying to put on? If you can unscrew the one that is currently on the tub you could verify that its the same adapter with the new one and if its not you should be able to screw the old spout back on. It really just depends on the adapter and whether or not its compatible for both models. Otherwise you would need to change out the adapter and that could be more involved. Unfortunately I can't say for sure either way without seeing the adapters.
Please, please help me! I have watched several videos regarding the shower tub spout installation and yours is the best so far but I still have questions for you that I feel no one has addressed fully. You do mention that the copper pipe (unthreaded) supply protruding from the wall needs to be a specific length but do not mention why. I need to know this because I tried installing the universal tub spout so that it was 1 5/8" away fro the wall and it still leaked. My tub spout leaks from the back and I had a standard tub spout with a set screw to tighten it onto the1/2" copper pipe. I believe that the interior gasket is damaged but can't figure out how to replace it.
my 1/2" copper pipe protrudes out from the wall by 7cm (3 3/4"). How can I stop the water from leaking out back (is the compression adapter the only way) and what is the maximum length the copper pipe should be?
So the 1 5/8 is due to the length necessary for the Delta tub spout. That is because the adapter needs to screw into the tub spout and for that to happen the adapter needs to be at least 1 5/8 from the wall. This probably isn't necessary with a universal spout, of course that depends on the brand you have. Is it a new universal spout? What brand is it? Unfortunately there isn't a standard model of tub spout adapter so they all go on a bit differently.
DIY Home Repair-my original universal tub spout leaked and I suspected it was the rubber gasket within the spout which I was looking to replace but couldn’t figure out how to remove and replace it. After purchasing a replica replacement, smoothing the copper pipe with sand paper and installing the new spout, I achieved my leak free tub spout. Sad that I couldn’t replace the gasket.
Add Teflon tape to the adapter threads folks
Ummm Missing two turns with Teflon Pipe Tape on both sets of the adapter threads... Without it, you will get a leak
How do you divert the water to the shower head using this spout?
I am not sure I completely understand your question. It depends a bit on the valve you are using, but in most cases the valve will either send water to the tub spout or the shower head.
I just bought a new new delta trim kit to replace the old delta shower and tub set up. (T14461 Model). Unfortunately the adapter for the tub that was included in the new Compel trim kit has no set screw as the old Delta pull down diverter does. I called Delta and they tell me that they don't make one in a size that fits that model and that i will need to get a plumber in to sweat the new adapter on? : / Is there a way around this? Why should I have to purchase a new tub spout when I paid for the one in the kit? I already installed the showered and the handle. Is there any generic adapter I can buy so that I don't have to learn how to use a blow torch and sweat a pipe or alternatively hire a plumber and pay $$ to attach the tub spout? Many thanks for any advice.
As I have never installed that specific tub spout I can't say for sure. But based on tub spouts I have installed before, usually the adapter is threaded on the inside which would allow you to screw it onto the pipe. If it is, you could use a compression fitting similar to what I use in the video and attach the adapter that way. The compression fitting may be a different size then what I use in the video though. You may also need to cut the pipe depending on its current length. Its at about the 2 minute mark on the video.
@@HomeRepairHub Thanks! Will give it a go.
@@HomeRepairHub really would like to use the same compression fit as yours, but don't know what size to
Buy, I have a 1/2" pipe can you send me the size to get please
🙏 thank You 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻Amigo a Like This video👍🏻👍🏻
Can u do it with cpvc pipe ?
Is the stub out cpvc? What are you using cpvc for?
Great thank you
How would I replace the diverter on a 2007 delta tub spout with a pull down diverter? TYIA
Do you have a model number? Does it look different then the one in the video?
@@HomeRepairHub it is a brushed nickel finish with pull down diverter like the one in this video. The hot cold handle is similar to the one in your video in that it is a single handle design. I do not have the model number. I contacted the store I purchased it from in 2007 so that is a start.
The issue I am having is that when the shower handle spray is on, water still comes down from the tub spout. The pressure isn't all that great too. This was working fine until I changed the shower head and replaced it with hand held spray. Thank you for your assistance.
@@johnmagee3292 so assuming that it is the same pull down diverter that is in the video, all you would need to do is unscrew the tub spout from the adapter. If you watched the last minute or so of the video you can see how I screwed on the spout, just unscrew the spout. Again assuming the diverter is the same, you can probably just screw a new tub spout over the old adapter. Menards, Home Depot, or Lowe's should have one. The spout leaking is unfortunately pretty common and it will definitely cause pressure loss. If the tub spout won't unscrew you may need to contact a plumber. Unfortunately, without seeing the spout and adapter I can't say for sure how to fix your issue. I am also not a plumber.
What is the spout model number?
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Here is a link to the adapter with the set screw too: amzn.to/3aXij3b
@@HomeRepairHub Thank you
In the video you don't exert much of a load on the nut that is compressing the sleeve. My plumber friend just left, he exerted A HUGE LOAD on that nut (up against the shower wall). It was leaking when I installed it and causing my frustration level to peak. Also, the plastic bag that the compression fitting came in had in all UPPER CASE..... DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN. BS!
BEST TIP I can give anyone that watches this, is don't be afraid to tighten the heck out of that nut!!!! The sleeve is what prevents leakage, you are compressing a round and SOLID sleeve onto a round and SOLID pipe, YOU HAVE TO APPLY A SERIOUS LOAD to get the sleeve to seal against the copper pipe. Wasted a lot of time trying to troubleshoot, my plumber friend took a couple minutes. Learn from me, and if possible the video needs to be edited.
I am glad you got it sealed. Though my guess would be that the pipe was not clean and there was something stopping you from getting a good seal. Assuming it was copper (which is a soft metal), overtightening can damage the pipe and cause it to not seal properly. What I showed in the video is how much I had to tighten it. Each situation, is of course different, but overtightening can definitely damage the pipe and the sleeve. Hopefully you don't have issues in the future.
To much hassle, all you had to do was solder it on. Remove O ring clean copper pipe outside, and the adapter inside, put flux on both and push adapter on then solder it, wait till it cools, put O ring back on and your done, don't need no Teflon tape on adapter when you solder it because the O ring stops the water from going back out. I have owned a plumbing company for over 20 years and I installed over 300 of these in the past 13 years of being a licensed master plumber. If you solder the adapter on you will never have to worry bout it, when O ring goes bad 15 years down the road just replace the O-Ring
Agreed.
He got his point across and it was correct but the dick plumber in me wants to criticize him for calling a 1/2” male adapter a coupling. Also it’s not mip, it’s MIP. It’s an acronym for male iron pipe. Personally I wouldn’t use a compression fitting. Mainly because there’s much better ways for a lot less money.
I'm trying to get one installed, what fitting would you recommend?
I can't afford to solder it since i don't have a torch and even if I did, the plastic tub might melt.
@@dm7g do it just like he did and it will be fine. They also make some that just slip directly on to the copper and then there’s a set screw that you tighten