Mad respect to Stone for intentionally casting A-list actors as the conspirators in order to make a complicated, yet probable scenario more understandle and easy to follow for a majority of the audience who weren’t acquainted w/ these events.
Underrated quality of this scene: the sound design. Every snap-click-clink of the lighter, Pesci mashing those cigarettes - it gets your nerves tingling. Electric
"They're a wise bunch of birds." - Is a direct metaphor, for the folks he was working for. Man, the layers of cover up relating to the assassination, is uncountable.
David Archer I'm aware of that. This film should in no way be taken at historic face value. If anything, this movie shows how people lack in writing original compelling stories so they either borrow from what works or they take history and spin the facts over with fiction.
Jerry don't waste your time with these disbelievers, coz they are pigs and when you fight pigs you get dirty but they like it. You seem to have done your research (homework) : ), keep up the good work! thank you for the upload
Want the real explanation? These guys were proteges of Mae Brussels who was on Jim Garrisons legal team: th-cam.com/video/RTjeU5MGSKs/w-d-xo.html A related list: th-cam.com/play/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV.html What they dont mention in the movie is Gehlen Organization/Vlasov Army White Russians. Oswald lived in Minsk Belarus. Study and cross refference and you'll realize its true.
Helicopters saw limited use in WW2, but that wasn't what Jim stated. "Grasshopers" www.americanheritagemuseum.org/aircrafts/piper-l4-grasshopper-rosie-the-rocketer
Not helicopters. Grasshoppers. The L-2 airplane. Could do extremely short takeoffs and landings. Used for mostly military liaison and reconnaissance during world war 2.
Joe Pesci gives a terrific and memorable performance here. But this scene shows you how Oliver Stone manipulates the movie audience into thinking that David Ferrie was part of some vast conspiracy against JFK. In real life, David Ferrie was an oddball character. But he was not part of any conspiracy. First of all, it *has* been established that David Ferrie knew Lee Harvey Oswald. When Oswald was a teenager, he joined the Civil Air Patrol, and David Ferrie was his instructor. There is a photograph from that time period that places them together. However, there is no evidence that Ferrie had any contact with Oswald *after* Oswald left the Civil Air Patrol. There is certainly no evidence that Oswald and Ferrie were ever involved in any conspiracy together. On November 22, 1963, David Ferrie and two of his friends took a road trip from New Orleans to Houston, Texas. Immediately following that trip, Jim Garrison interviewed Ferrie. But Garrison was later able to confirm the details of the Houston trip with Ferrie’s friends. Ferrie and his friends left New Orleans by car early in the morning on November 22. At that time, they didn't know what was going to happen later that day. It was only in the evening, when they turned on their car radio, that they heard what had happened in Dallas. When they got to Houston, David Ferrie and his friends visited an ice skating rink. Why? Because Ferrie had recently received a $7000 settlement from Eastern Airlines, and he was thinking about *buying* the Houston ice rink as a side business. His two friends confirmed that this was the reason for their visit. (Ferrie later decided to use the money to open a service station.) The following day, Ferrie and his friends went out to a marshy area near Galveston that was known as a good spot for goose hunting. But they didn't do any hunting that day, because they hadn't brought any guns with them. Why not? Ferrie and his friends told Garrison that they hadn't brought any guns with them on the trip, because they didn't know if it was legal to transport guns across the TX-LA state border. Also, they weren't sure if their Louisiana hunting licenses were valid in Texas, or if November was an official hunting season in Texas. So why does David Ferrie seem so nervous and unsure of his story in this scene? Because Oliver Stone is manipulating the audience here! In real life, David Ferrie did TWO interviews with Jim Garrison - one in November 1963, just after his Texas trip, and one in 1966, when Garrison was investigating his wacky JFK conspiracy theory. This scene is based on a transcript of the 1966 interview! In that interview, David Ferrie had trouble recalling the details of his 1963 Texas trip, which had taken place *three years before!* But following his earlier 1963 interview with Ferrie, Garrison was able to confirm the details of the Texas trip with Ferrie’s friends. In 1966, Garrison *knew* from his earlier interview that David Ferrie had not been involved in any JFK conspiracy - but he still intended to prosecute him anyway! But then David Ferrie died of a stroke! (It was not a “forced suicide” as depicted in the movie.) Left without a defendant to prosecute, Jim Garrison turned his attention to New Orleans businessman Clay Shaw, whom he hated because Shaw was homosexual. Garrison brought Shaw to trial, knowing that his “Clay Bertrand” case against Shaw was a total crock! Shaw was acquitted, but the trial ruined his life! All so Garrison could justify his phony JFK conspiracy theory. And Oliver Stone later made a movie that perpetuated Garrison’s lie!
It was decades later photos of Ferrie with Oswald emerged. It's on record he said he did not know Oswald, though he obviously must have. It's comically unlikely to die of a stroke in your 40s if you have not had an accident or medical misadventure beforehand.
As I said in my previous post, it has been established that David Ferrie did know Lee Harvey Oswald when they were in the Civil Air Patrol together. The photos that you reference prove that connection between them. It’s no surprise that Ferrie lied to Jim Garrison about knowing Lee Harvey Oswald, given that (1) Ferrie had an arrest record and a well-known history of “sexual deviancy” with young boys, and (2) Garrison was hell-bent on finding a conspiracy in the JFK murder, whether there actually was one or not. If Ferrie had said, “Yes, I once knew Oswald, but I haven’t seen him in years,” Garrison would have refused to believed him. Think about it! If YOU had an arrest record, and it turned out that some teenage kid that you briefly knew years ago had grown up, assassinated the President of the United States, and was now the most hated man in America - wouldn’t YOU lie and claim that you never knew him? I’m guessing you would! It’s important to know that Garrison’s information about Ferrie’s “involvement” in a JFK conspiracy came from Jack Martin (played by Jack Lemmon in the movie). Jack Martin was a drunkard and a well-known pathological liar, who claimed that his former partner, Guy Bannister, was also involved in the JFK plot. But Martin made a bunch of outrageous claims, i.e. that Ferrie had hypnotized Oswald to make him assassinate JFK! Ferrie died in February, 1967, a few weeks before his 49th birthday. The autopsy showed that he died of a brain aneurysm. The coroner’s report said that there was no evidence of foul play, and the only drugs in Ferrie’s system were non-lethal drugs that he took for a thyroid condition. Ferrie was NOT a healthy man when he died. His thyroid condition was what caused all his hair to fall out. He was a hyperactive, paranoid chain smoker. And Garrison was relentlessly harassing him, convinced that Ferrie MUST have been part of some “JFK conspiracy.” With all of this, it's not "comically unlikely" that Ferrie suffered a brain aneurysm. It's noteworthy that GARRISON lied as well. Soon after Ferrie’s death, Garrison claimed that his office was about to charge Ferrie with being part of the alleged “JFK conspiracy.” But attorneys in his office later said that Garrison knew he didn’t have any evidence, and only made this claim AFTER Ferrie died. Garrison even pressured the New Orleans coroner to declare Ferrie’s death a suicide, but the coroner refused! But you’ll probably tell me that Oliver Stone is correct - that the conspirators broke into Ferrie’s house and force-fed him an undetectable poison, in order to silence him! When choosing between a logical explanation and some cockamamie conspiracy theory, gullible fools like you always choose the latter!
@@LTPottenger I have a photo of myself from 1969 at a party with my university friends. One of them became a communist terrorist in 1978 and was implicated in the assassination of President Aldo Moro. I wouldn't even remember his name or his face if I didn't have that photo. For this reason can I be accused of being the accomplice of a terrorist?
@CaptainTrips560 No he's not. Joe Pesci is giving a great performance, but that's all that is happening. It's a manipulative scene that has nothing to do with real life. David Ferrie was innocent, the victim of an unscrupulous D.A.'s vendetta.
@@LTPottenger As I said, it *has* been established that Ferrie DID know Oswald. But it's no surprise that Ferrie denied it. If you had been arrested by the New Orleans police on "morals charges" (i.e. for being a homosexual), and it turned out that some kid you knew years ago but hadn't seen recently had assassinated the President of the United States, wouldn't *you* deny knowing him? And despite what you say, David Ferrie was never in the best of health. He was a chain smoker and hypertensive paranoid, who suffered from high blood pressure. He had never been diagnosed with cancer, but was convinced that he had it - hence, his research into a cancer cure. He also suffered from alopecia areata, which caused his hair to fall out. That's why he wore those outlandish wigs and glued-on eyebrows. Garrison's information that Ferrie was a part of some "JFK conspiracy" came from Jack Martin (played by Jack Lemmon in the movie). Martin was a known drunkard and pathological liar who had also claimed that Guy Banister was involved in the conspiracy, even though there's no actual evidence that Banister ever knew Oswald. When Ferrie died of a stroke in 1967, the coroner, Nicholas Chetta, found no evidence of foul play. Garrison referred to it as a suicide, showing that it's easy to replace a lie with the truth if you repeat the lie over and over until people believe it. Chetta later said that Garrison tried to get him to change his verdict on Ferrie to "death by suicide," but Chetta refused because there was no evidence of suicide.
Want the real explanation? These guys were proteges of Mae Brussels who was on Jim Garrisons legal team: th-cam.com/video/RTjeU5MGSKs/w-d-xo.html A related list: th-cam.com/play/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV.html What they dont mention in the movie is Gehlen Organization/Vlasov Army White Russians. Oswald lived in Minsk Belarus. Study and cross refference and you'll realize its true.
Not really. The evidence is in a myriad of sources, but you have to find them as it is dispersed over many places. There was more then one shooter. That's it.
Joe Pesci is good in every role he plays.
He is great in every role
They’re a wise bunch of birds 🦅 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mad respect to Stone for intentionally casting A-list actors as the conspirators in order to make a complicated, yet probable scenario more understandle and easy to follow for a majority of the audience who weren’t acquainted w/ these events.
Yes he really did 👍👍👍
This film is astounding today as it was when it was released.
One of my favorite scenes ever.
Underrated quality of this scene: the sound design. Every snap-click-clink of the lighter, Pesci mashing those cigarettes - it gets your nerves tingling. Electric
It's not easy to act such a bad liar. The smile of Joe Pesci at the end of the scene seems to me as a metafiction. It comes straight to the audience.
Joe Pesci‘s role in this was so memorable even though it was very short… he’s just fantastic here… Watch him with cigarettes just amazing acting!
"Really!!! What part???" LOL!!! Before he was actor, Joe Pesci used to be a night club comedian. It shows...
"Really!!! What part???"🤣🤣😂😂😆😆😅😅
Kevin Costner... so cool and badass
dave went to Houston to get his fuckin' shinebox
Oh...one more thing Mr. Ferrie, GO GET YER SHINEBOX
Little known fact; Barry Seal was in the same Civil Air Patrol unit as Lee Harvey Oswald.
Barry Seal was a legendary drug runner for the CIA.
Gun runner. He ran guns for the cia, the drug running was something he was doing for himself
@Alex From Boston they were but not with him.
"American Made" is a great movie.
@@JTBOSS-ir5kk what's it about?
Cocaine cowboys
Whole films unbelievable! Best film ever made
Wonderful comic relief in a very heavy film
Outstanding film saw it at the cinema when it first came out , Joe Pesci is magnificent in this 🤟
One of my top 5 movie scenes of all time !!
Really, out of every scene in every movie THATS one of your favorites!! Ah, each to their own...
"They're a wise bunch of birds." - Is a direct metaphor, for the folks he was working for. Man, the layers of cover up relating to the assassination, is uncountable.
He shoulda tried the "do I amoos you?" bit on Costner's character here.
i laughed like crazy when i heard this.
“Ice skating.” Ice skating!
... yeah.... pretty much ALL of it.... Dave.....
This was after the bank job in sea cacus
Hey, you wanna laugh? This prick, last week he asked me to Christen his kid!
In the middle of the Fuckin weeds
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm sorry this has to end inconveniently for you.
Now go home, David Ferry, and get your shine box.
1:15 Nah, aww ne'er saw heem biforr een maw loff.
So umm, of course we didn't get any geese.
I get the impression David was ALWAYS looking for a "goose"!
Good!!
Shine box
Fuckin shine box
Outstanding defense mechanisms. Must be quite adept at interogations.
He doesn't fold under questioning.
@@KiloByte69 You think you're funny?
Shutter Island and JFK, two great films!
very impressive defense mechanisms
Mahler.........
I know LBJ killing JFK has got to be one of the craziest out of the many conspiracies, but Goddamn it, I gotta watch JFK again.
David Archer I'm aware of that. This film should in no way be taken at historic face value. If anything, this movie shows how people lack in writing original compelling stories so they either borrow from what works or they take history and spin the facts over with fiction.
Jerry don't waste your time with these disbelievers, coz they are pigs and when you fight pigs you get dirty but they like it. You seem to have done your research (homework) : ), keep up the good work! thank you for the upload
Crazy?!?... UR CRAZY!?!...
Want the real explanation? These guys were proteges of Mae Brussels who was on Jim Garrisons legal team:
th-cam.com/video/RTjeU5MGSKs/w-d-xo.html
A related list:
th-cam.com/play/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV.html
What they dont mention in the movie is Gehlen Organization/Vlasov Army White Russians. Oswald lived in Minsk Belarus. Study and cross refference and you'll realize its true.
It's a damn good film, whatever your theory is as to who killed Kennedy and why.
Louisianian’s don’t pronounce the T in Carondelet. It’s pronounced “lay” not “let”
@Fairy named Ferrie
The Irishman ftw
What war is Jim Garrison speaking about that he flew helicopters in?
WW2
Helicopters saw limited use in WW2, but that wasn't what Jim stated. "Grasshopers"
www.americanheritagemuseum.org/aircrafts/piper-l4-grasshopper-rosie-the-rocketer
Korea?
Not helicopters. Grasshoppers. The L-2 airplane. Could do extremely short takeoffs and landings. Used for mostly military liaison and reconnaissance during world war 2.
"What part?"
That's the best part.
Wise bunch of birds
He should be questioned for wearing that wig too.
If anything, Joe made Ferry look better than real life.
@@gregwren691 he suffered from alopecia. Made all his hair fall out
And those eyebrows.
How is a guy trained by the CIA so bad at lying?
Trained for killing, lying is a different department
Crazy eyebrows 😂
Trey Gowdy
Joe Pesci gives a terrific and memorable performance here. But this scene shows you how Oliver Stone manipulates the movie audience into thinking that David Ferrie was part of some vast conspiracy against JFK.
In real life, David Ferrie was an oddball character. But he was not part of any conspiracy.
First of all, it *has* been established that David Ferrie knew Lee Harvey Oswald. When Oswald was a teenager, he joined the Civil Air Patrol, and David Ferrie was his instructor. There is a photograph from that time period that places them together.
However, there is no evidence that Ferrie had any contact with Oswald *after* Oswald left the Civil Air Patrol. There is certainly no evidence that Oswald and Ferrie were ever involved in any conspiracy together.
On November 22, 1963, David Ferrie and two of his friends took a road trip from New Orleans to Houston, Texas. Immediately following that trip, Jim Garrison interviewed Ferrie. But Garrison was later able to confirm the details of the Houston trip with Ferrie’s friends.
Ferrie and his friends left New Orleans by car early in the morning on November 22. At that time, they didn't know what was going to happen later that day. It was only in the evening, when they turned on their car radio, that they heard what had happened in Dallas.
When they got to Houston, David Ferrie and his friends visited an ice skating rink. Why? Because Ferrie had recently received a $7000 settlement from Eastern Airlines, and he was thinking about *buying* the Houston ice rink as a side business. His two friends confirmed that this was the reason for their visit. (Ferrie later decided to use the money to open a service station.)
The following day, Ferrie and his friends went out to a marshy area near Galveston that was known as a good spot for goose hunting. But they didn't do any hunting that day, because they hadn't brought any guns with them.
Why not? Ferrie and his friends told Garrison that they hadn't brought any guns with them on the trip, because they didn't know if it was legal to transport guns across the TX-LA state border. Also, they weren't sure if their Louisiana hunting licenses were valid in Texas, or if November was an official hunting season in Texas.
So why does David Ferrie seem so nervous and unsure of his story in this scene? Because Oliver Stone is manipulating the audience here!
In real life, David Ferrie did TWO interviews with Jim Garrison - one in November 1963, just after his Texas trip, and one in 1966, when Garrison was investigating his wacky JFK conspiracy theory.
This scene is based on a transcript of the 1966 interview! In that interview, David Ferrie had trouble recalling the details of his 1963 Texas trip, which had taken place *three years before!*
But following his earlier 1963 interview with Ferrie, Garrison was able to confirm the details of the Texas trip with Ferrie’s friends. In 1966, Garrison *knew* from his earlier interview that David Ferrie had not been involved in any JFK conspiracy - but he still intended to prosecute him anyway!
But then David Ferrie died of a stroke! (It was not a “forced suicide” as depicted in the movie.)
Left without a defendant to prosecute, Jim Garrison turned his attention to New Orleans businessman Clay Shaw, whom he hated because Shaw was homosexual. Garrison brought Shaw to trial, knowing that his “Clay Bertrand” case against Shaw was a total crock!
Shaw was acquitted, but the trial ruined his life! All so Garrison could justify his phony JFK conspiracy theory.
And Oliver Stone later made a movie that perpetuated Garrison’s lie!
It was decades later photos of Ferrie with Oswald emerged. It's on record he said he did not know Oswald, though he obviously must have. It's comically unlikely to die of a stroke in your 40s if you have not had an accident or medical misadventure beforehand.
As I said in my previous post, it has been established that David Ferrie did know Lee Harvey Oswald when they were in the Civil Air Patrol together. The photos that you reference prove that connection between them.
It’s no surprise that Ferrie lied to Jim Garrison about knowing Lee Harvey Oswald, given that (1) Ferrie had an arrest record and a well-known history of “sexual deviancy” with young boys, and (2) Garrison was hell-bent on finding a conspiracy in the JFK murder, whether there actually was one or not. If Ferrie had said, “Yes, I once knew Oswald, but I haven’t seen him in years,” Garrison would have refused to believed him.
Think about it! If YOU had an arrest record, and it turned out that some teenage kid that you briefly knew years ago had grown up, assassinated the President of the United States, and was now the most hated man in America - wouldn’t YOU lie and claim that you never knew him? I’m guessing you would!
It’s important to know that Garrison’s information about Ferrie’s “involvement” in a JFK conspiracy came from Jack Martin (played by Jack Lemmon in the movie). Jack Martin was a drunkard and a well-known pathological liar, who claimed that his former partner, Guy Bannister, was also involved in the JFK plot. But Martin made a bunch of outrageous claims, i.e. that Ferrie had hypnotized Oswald to make him assassinate JFK!
Ferrie died in February, 1967, a few weeks before his 49th birthday. The autopsy showed that he died of a brain aneurysm. The coroner’s report said that there was no evidence of foul play, and the only drugs in Ferrie’s system were non-lethal drugs that he took for a thyroid condition.
Ferrie was NOT a healthy man when he died. His thyroid condition was what caused all his hair to fall out. He was a hyperactive, paranoid chain smoker. And Garrison was relentlessly harassing him, convinced that Ferrie MUST have been part of some “JFK conspiracy.” With all of this, it's not "comically unlikely" that Ferrie suffered a brain aneurysm.
It's noteworthy that GARRISON lied as well. Soon after Ferrie’s death, Garrison claimed that his office was about to charge Ferrie with being part of the alleged “JFK conspiracy.” But attorneys in his office later said that Garrison knew he didn’t have any evidence, and only made this claim AFTER Ferrie died. Garrison even pressured the New Orleans coroner to declare Ferrie’s death a suicide, but the coroner refused!
But you’ll probably tell me that Oliver Stone is correct - that the conspirators broke into Ferrie’s house and force-fed him an undetectable poison, in order to silence him! When choosing between a logical explanation and some cockamamie conspiracy theory, gullible fools like you always choose the latter!
@@LTPottenger
I have a photo of myself from 1969 at a party with my university friends. One of them became a communist terrorist in 1978 and was implicated in the assassination of President Aldo Moro. I wouldn't even remember his name or his face if I didn't have that photo. For this reason can I be accused of being the accomplice of a terrorist?
@CaptainTrips560 No he's not. Joe Pesci is giving a great performance, but that's all that is happening. It's a manipulative scene that has nothing to do with real life. David Ferrie was innocent, the victim of an unscrupulous D.A.'s vendetta.
@@LTPottenger As I said, it *has* been established that Ferrie DID know Oswald. But it's no surprise that Ferrie denied it. If you had been arrested by the New Orleans police on "morals charges" (i.e. for being a homosexual), and it turned out that some kid you knew years ago but hadn't seen recently had assassinated the President of the United States, wouldn't *you* deny knowing him?
And despite what you say, David Ferrie was never in the best of health. He was a chain smoker and hypertensive paranoid, who suffered from high blood pressure. He had never been diagnosed with cancer, but was convinced that he had it - hence, his research into a cancer cure. He also suffered from alopecia areata, which caused his hair to fall out. That's why he wore those outlandish wigs and glued-on eyebrows.
Garrison's information that Ferrie was a part of some "JFK conspiracy" came from Jack Martin (played by Jack Lemmon in the movie). Martin was a known drunkard and pathological liar who had also claimed that Guy Banister was involved in the conspiracy, even though there's no actual evidence that Banister ever knew Oswald.
When Ferrie died of a stroke in 1967, the coroner, Nicholas Chetta, found no evidence of foul play. Garrison referred to it as a suicide, showing that it's easy to replace a lie with the truth if you repeat the lie over and over until people believe it. Chetta later said that Garrison tried to get him to change his verdict on Ferrie to "death by suicide," but Chetta refused because there was no evidence of suicide.
Is Joe’s character a little not very hetero???
No. That's why he was teaching young boys at the Civil Air Patrol
Ferrie was very gay.
You took a trip to Texas and the worst electrical storm and recent history
Need to watch videos on revisionist history. The bullet on the floor did not match the rifles
Want the real explanation? These guys were proteges of Mae Brussels who was on Jim Garrisons legal team:
th-cam.com/video/RTjeU5MGSKs/w-d-xo.html
A related list:
th-cam.com/play/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV.html
What they dont mention in the movie is Gehlen Organization/Vlasov Army White Russians. Oswald lived in Minsk Belarus. Study and cross refference and you'll realize its true.
Kevin Costner went AOC on Joe Pesci.
AOC is a POS
@@dr.spectre9697 You mad bro?
Really? What part ? What part do you find funny? What the fuck is so funny about me ? Do I make you laugh. Do I Use you
It's a good thing you didn't use quotation marks because you quoted wrong.."do I amuse you", not "do I use you ".
Nixon..enough said.
Nixon didn't have the clout or will. He was a greasy politician. The people who whacked Kennedy were deep-state black ops military pros.
Weird stuff.
He lies as badly as my former wife.
Ferrie knew LHO a few years before JFK hit. They served in same Civil Air Patrol unit. Conspiracy much?
Pesci’s accent’s not bad; Costner’s is terrible.
The movie was good, bullshit, but good.
Great acting such a stupid movie all BS
Not really. The evidence is in a myriad of sources, but you have to find them as it is dispersed over many places. There was more then one shooter. That's it.