Guitarists: you need to stop calling this prog
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0:00-0:16 INTRO
0:16-3:55 INFINITY CINEMA • The Infinity Cinema - ...
3:55-6:30 Mr GnG • Mr. GnG - Contraband 4...
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7:32-10:37 EPHAISUS • Ephaisus - Presence of...
10:37-13:16 BUKOLIK • Bukolik - Babylon
13:16-14:49 THE BLONDE BROGRE • The Blond Brogre - The...
14:49-17:30 STYGAL • Video
17:30-20:07 WILLY WANKERS • Easy No Absence
20:07-22:07 BENEAT THE RUIN • Beneath The Ruin - San...
22:07-24:39 LIAM O'DWYER • Stuck In The Past - In...
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I love that most times Rudy is trying to find stuff to complain, but in this video, he is trying to HIDE the discomfort he feels during some guitar solos, love it
That improperly intonated guitar point cracked me up
Bro thank you so much for jamming with our song, and your comments! Really appreciate you helping us get the word out 🤝
your stuff was pretty dope, gotta say
We really liked your song, good stuff guys.
just a thought went through my mind - shouldn't your band name supposed to be ''NewMuseButnotActuallyMuseButGlasesMakeUsCoolAsIfWeAreMuse''??
Hello Rudy, Thanks for your comments in our music! we are gonna take them to help us improve and make our sound much better! Glad to be part of the Roast!
You certainly caught my curiosity ^^
I liked you stuff, the only thing that really caught me a bit off was the vocals were to shiny and loud in some passages while the lo fi sound of the instrumental parts was flawless Imo
We really liked your song!
it was awesome
Honestly I dig this type of music the vocals felt badly mixed though, I like them but overall the song was imbalanced. looking forward to seeing your next works
i think it would be really innovative if people stopped writing genres and just wrote music instead
It's easier, because you then just copy the reference bands you like - their production, their tunings, the scales they use, etc.
@@777malkavian I'm not saying you shouldn't lift elements from things you like! You definitely should. I'm saying that people get *really* caught up in trends or idioms, and miss sight of what people actually like about music.
@@leissMusic yup, I definitely agree. Some trends are just not there to stay and get stale really quickly. A good thing to do is to draw inspiration from different genres by listening to new things outside your comfort zone. Especially to things you have always avoided for whatever reason.
Funny how when people "just write music" genres develop in 5 seconds. Almost as if it's an inevitability and shouldn't be worried about
Cool story.
Dude that anime black metal dixieland thing was teetering between garbage and pure brilliance. What a wild ride lmao
18:16 sick timing on that apple bite, they should add that to the song lol
Prog: shifting complex time signatures, players sliding in and out of each other's parts, sometimes at a million miles an hour, and sometimes being weird with it. Songs that took you on bizarre and intense journeys
Prog: chromatic scale noodling... but metal
The 70s vs now
Blood, Love, and Tears literally had me in blood, love and tears, minus love
everyone is playing diatonic chord progressions, everything is exactly on the beat, most phrases have very little tension and it's driving me NUTS
Then you'll love my band, we have tons of syncopated beats in our music (plus our playing is kinda sloppy but shhhh)
@@ileutur6863 what’s the band?
So its like an equivalent to ‘smooth jazz’? Tensionless diatonic “smooth prog”? Like wafting ones ear with a feather at 200bpm?
TBF, ole David Gilmour has always been HEAVILY diatonic in his songwriting. Break down his solos and chord choices, and there's almost nothing special there, most of the time. He pulled most of his tension direct from phrasing - he had the precision in his bends, slides, and picking to do a lot of calculated plays on expectation, while also reaping the benefits of the diatonic approach's pleasant harmoniousness. You always kind of feel like you're in good hands with a good solo from him, yet it can still be completely captivating... maybe more so if you understand the components and realize how hard it actually is to make those progressions sound THAT interesting.
I DO tend to agree now, though.
I've noticed something I was used to seeing more in pop, which is sort of this distillation of "moments" in the song. All of the focus goes into showcasing those moments, but the context they sit in falters and it becomes just a reel of cool sounding stuff with each successive passage barely challenging OR justifying the last. So even the moments that DO grab me, are mired. We just kinda move on after a couple of stiff bars. I think the only way TO get away with that, is to write diatonic... if you start trying to use parallel modes, that same 'string of consciousness' approach goes from boring to just incoherent. IF all you write is to get to the next moment, then your big picture becomes a rat's nest, like a bad action movie. Realllllyyyy good jazz musicians get away with it, but those folks have phrasing. They perfect their phrases and develop languages with them - they can tell you all sorts of things even inside of a diatonic box because they have developed a rich language of tension and resolve through other avenues. Blues players are good for that occasionally, as well.
The idea with a pop song is that it basically just needs a simple catchy thing in it that people love to get buzz - the rest can be boilerplate. People will give up on the song quickly if it doesn't have a hook they like. It's better to focus on just distilling that down and making it the main point of attraction - try not to turn people away by challenging them too much before they even get there. So you basically minimize anything challenging the foundation while still carrying the basic modal structure, take away all of that ambivalence, and keep it catchy. Have as little foundation as possible to avoid points of conflict in the melodies.
FWIW, doing this well is definitely an art form. When it gets executed as a formula, it fails. Plenty of people have trouble even picking out what each mode sounds like, and what notes do that. Even harder, is taking those sparse notes, and making them sound new to people. I swear man, people who say "Every note has already been played in every possible way." unironically, are falling prey to the western diatonics. I tell them to try microtonal and let me know when they've heard all of the notes lol
I feel like even a lot of big names are trying to capture that sort of catchy, diatonic and momentary songwriting approach, and I'm just begging them to write songs that sound newer to me on the 10th listen than the 1st. I'm tired of these hits that reactors go crazy for only for that buzz to largely have moved on in just one year's time. I can't keep having skittles for dinner over here. Can everyone else stop competing to feed me skittles please?
Some folks give up on diatonic chord progressions altogether and pursue atonality / musique concrete / advant garde. The problem with atonality that I've observed is that the itch is kind of like a strange addiction. Ivy League became a sort of artificial bubble for this sort of thing since Stroberg-what's-his-name and Karl Stockhausen doing any sort of experiments on sound that do ANYTHING except be musical. Okay, maybe I'm being too harsh, but atonality is a lot like an extract in my culinary. I use Vanilla-Extract quite often in my baking and I encourage others to do the same for select recipes to make some dish more flavorful. However, I've heard that the alcohol-classification in Vanilla-Extract can be lethal if you become addicted to downing bottles of it.
I'm going to assume that you are not that far gone yet and simply suggest that music does NOT need to abandon the Mecca of consciousness that is many centuries of exploring octaves split into twelves. Rather, I think the big problem is twofold. One is artists not pursuing excellence in their craft. Yes, there are a million ways that you can make a chord progression more interesting, go on a journey, explore strange modulations, seek out new intervals and weave elaborate tapestries of keys on the same motif. Classical music has done it for years, even while sounding epic and almost metal at times. Jazz takes a more whimsical approach, but it cannot be denied that jazz has the most complex harmonic vocabulary of them all due to the endless pivot points of options that it can elaborate. Sometimes, it's nothing more than phrasing and arrangement, as Mike H so generously described.
The other problem is overstimulation. I'm not saying that you are guilty of this, but even music can be overconsumed, in my philosophical opinion. I've observed the plain ole' vanilla minor-one to bVI to bVII vamp become like ethereal sustenance again when an artist captures a moment that is done with complete conviction and strength of expression. Sure, those Iron Maiden chords are done to death, but when I've been far too busy in my life to enjoy music for a while, it catches me off guard and infuses my life with a moment of joy again. I think there is a time and place for everything under the sun, and I'm sick of being forced to consume music in public spaces (I'm pointing a finger a slut-pop, especially) when I would rather hear myself think and get my fricken shopping done and over with -- and that's coming from a lover of music.
That being said... death metal and atonality -- awesome combination. I especially like Ron Jarzombeck's take on this fusion.
14:03 it's like Iron Maiden without good guitar tone, good bass line, good drums and good vocals
Also good tempo
It's exactly The Trooper, the vocal intro, the gallops and the chord progression
@@demeter1793 ugh, I hate this song, the last good Iron Maiden song was Hallowed Be Thy Name
This channel helped me realize I was never a bassist, but a drummer
But I'm not really a drummer, I'm a horse.
But I'm not really a horse, I'm a broom.
You're THAT friend aven't you? (The screen name)
@@mysterygirl30011 perhaps
@@SkilletTROI wasn't really a broom. But I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.
Guitar is probably the worst instrument
Tf is wrong with you
As a guitarist, can't agree more
@@waterdunes-aa2772 lol same
@@waterdunes-aa2772 I couldn't disagree less.
It is bro
Dig the format of the channel. Good to hear bands that have their business in order. Love hearing new music!
16:30 Good to know I'm not alone thinking the vocalist sounded like an anime dub! (At least loosely.) For better or worse, she's got a hell of a dynamic range!
EDIT: It brings to mind comedy content like OtakuVS or those anime parody songs, just with far lower production quality.
babymetal
"we have a suprise for you" just puts his photo in the music video lol
You have to set a low pass at around 90Hz to get as muffled as stygal, that has to be intentional? It's like listening to wet moldy carpets... but that death jazz looney tunes madness ending was the real deal
Really surprising that such an interesting song has such bad production. It has to be the muddiest mix I've heard in my life...
Oh man, you know you're really getting roasted when you see yourself in the thumbnail 😂thanks a lot for the feedback Rudy!
what guitar are you playing there? looks really nice, similar to the Jason Richardson signature
Listen. You're a really good player, but I don't think you understand the concept of prog, unless your image of prog is melodeath. However, I think if you refine the aspects Rudy pointed in the video and focus them not for prog or technical but just plain melodeath, you can come out with really good stuff spicing it a little bit, bc the song in the video was just straight Gothenburg worship.
@@TheWolverine7 Responding again because I think my first reply got flagged for linking the luthier's handle.
Glad you like it! It's a custom, made by a local luthier named Meinzinger. The guitar is heavily inspired by the JR sig but I couldn't justify spending $6000 CAD after conversion. This guy built my guitar for half the price and with the same amazing quality.
@@ElephantDestroyer Very valid and appreciated points. Looking back, I admit that the song is not prog.
I don't know if it would change anyone's mind, but for what it's worth, the album I released earlier this month has more going on stylistically/compositionally, as a whole. Whether it fits the criteria as an album - I'll leave that up to you guys as well, I'm open to all feedback.
They may not be all prog, but my biggest influences are BTBAM, The Human Abstract, Protest the Hero, The Dear Hunter, Wretched, Periphery, The Faceless, ABR - in particular their older stuff. Someone else pointed out that what might have been considered prog or innovative in the past might not be prog today. That may be the case here.
For the album, I tried to make something unique without forcing it, For Presence of Mind in particular, I wanted to write a fast song with hopefully a catchy "chorus". Chose to do a video for it because it's so fun to play. But throwing the word "prog" in the roast request without a second thought was a mistake. I didn't realize the reaction it would get 😂
@@Ephaisus wow he has some beautiful guitars on his page. thanks for the response and great playing :)
Gotta say that *Blood, Love, and Tears* could be an amazing song if they rerecorded with a decent engineer. It's this unique mix of 70s experimental rock, death metal, anime OP.
Just gave the band, Stygal, a listen and they're like if a Tim Burton movie started a metal band. It's actually pretty great, just the production quaility is a bit shit.
honestly no it was the worst one in the video
@@Sticknub Agree to disagree. I'm a fan
@@Sticknub the worst ones were the 80s heavy metal wannabes, that really sucked
You're reaching. It's bad
@@Chris-bz3iy I think you need to look up what an "opinion" is
Id have to get myself a good roasting sometime....Great stuff Rudy!
"Thank you for giving me something I expect" is so offhandedly savage.
As a prog guy, I hate how many “prog” artists there are nowadays, especially since most of them are basically just instrumental tech death Steve Vai songs, but without the compositional coherence. People kinda throw the term around for anything that is even *slightly* technical, or has one odd time signature, to where it doesn’t even mean anything. All that being said, when my album is done I’ll gladly have Rudy tear my band to shreds.
When you compare it to something from the 70s like king crimson and realize it's a step down its quite ironic to label it prog 50 years later. Progressing towards shite I suppose.
@@gooseabuse progressive back then meant that they were progressing the rock genre by incorporating non-rock elements into the music, and more grandiose composing… and thus it was literally progressive. when it comes to modern day “prog”, it usually is a blanket term for the first definition I gave, and also for music that is technically demanding, which at its inception, was progressive. As with many other styles, it’s been over-saturated and done to death by so many that it has since lost the meaning of “progressive”
I have this same rant with my wife about twice a month. If a key change or an odd time signature is “prog”, then Taylor Swift is “prog”. (Seriously, one of her songs on evermore is in 5/4.)
I have a dream
Where one of the roasting videos won't have any generic chuggy chuggy metal
When eating a banana, you dont have to deep throat it before you take your first bite, you're welcome for the ted talk.
I kept skipping ahead to see if there was a time he was not eating. There wasn't, super distracting. Not the first time either.
Literally was looking down the comments to see if anything else noticed this lol
Lmao
i just love how rudy is constantly eating to reduce his pain throughout the whole video
I appreciate you scaled your roast back a bit for the young guy on the bus. Classy.
Eh, poor kid needs a dose of reality. Clearly thinks he’s “deep” and “unique” for having introspective thoughts about high school
Yeah, we have all been in that bus and know how it was 😅
Hell yeah round 2. Gutted you weren't into our next single but thankful for your criticism and taking the time to give us another listen:) And thanks for shouting our Red Visuals too, great video production company based in Liverpool, just two dudes.
Glad to see you back
That first band listened to Voice of Trespass and was like "what if we made this bad?"
First song that came to my head as well
You killed me in Bukolik's song intro with your prediction
Blood, Love, and Tears passed the grammar test with the final comma. Achievement unlocked
great video as always
At this point, no one should be shredding unless they are a guitar God. Everything has been done already.
At any point, everyone should play what they like
Even if I dont necessarily agree, you do actually have a point
even that is boring, play a song not a scales exercise your pentatonic minor wank isn't interesting!
Context is what makes music not musical phrases that already exist in the vacuum of space
@@joshwantstotravel9516 At any point anyone should play what their skill & vocabulary allows them to play
STYGAL is like Grimes blackmetal/anime alt Project
the infinity cinema song was pretty good, ngl
just lie next time
@@RudyAyoub 🤣, i mean from a general song perspective, i mean i def aggreed with your points on it, i felt like it dragged on, but from like production aspect, it was pretty good
@@uddhav1080 i mean like it's def hard to, like, disagree
Scuffed dog fashion disco.
@@Jarl_egbert yup, I heard a lot of Dog Fashion Disco in there
that first song has "We have Protest The Hero at home" vibes
I was thinking "Thank You Hero" or maybe "Protest the Scientist"
GNG was really solid actually, I think the best out of everyone here especially and including Rudy
The Iron Maiden song at 13:30 would've been "The Trooper".
I actually really enjoyed that jazz breakdown on love blood and tears.
That last one sounded like it was one of those acoustic godsmack tracks.
Blood, Love and Tears reminds me how Psyopus gets dissonant as hell but it just works
5:40 🤣🤣 bro we went yih! at the same time
"why are you rapping, bro?"
*Chefs kiss*
The Infinity Cinema song sounds like a Disney villain song, but the metal version.
We take this as a compliment and a roast, respectively.
hands down best course ad ive everr seen
The trooper
The Iron Maiden song you were thinking about was The Trooper lmao
At 23:17 i literally almost choked on my trink cuz of that guitar sound
Sooo funny
5:55; a fine musician can insert themselves into even a so so tune & make it make sense.
giving hope to the meh of this world. thx
Damn the last song sounded really expensive, good stuff :))
Hahahah you didn't even bother with commenting on the last song. That was the best roast I guess, and once again poor Michael gets the Rudy treatment
Its the same album bro I need sumtin different
Why is that blood love and tears one making me have a psychotic breakdown of hysteria 😂
Fuck! I gotta order food now. I can't watch this without eating.
16:24 reminds me of Circle Takes The Square
"Bro you've been sitting on the same chord for like... two business days" **DEAD**
Props to gng. That video is sick and the music is really interesting. I'm gonna give you guys a look
Check out their other videos too, all of them look great. My favourite is Halcyon Days th-cam.com/video/hoWpU1sHVyA/w-d-xo.html
Yes
My favorite part was the lascivious ideas provoked by Rudy absolutely engulfing that banana.
Was thinking that Ephaisus was like Conquering Dystopia and then you said it. Goddamn.
The Blonde Brogre song sounded like a slowed down version of The Trooper.
Great biting cruch timing at 18:17 😅
One of the bands loves NIN that’s for sure.
Last song was really nice. Just like it.
oof, the strobe in beneath the ruin's segment fucked me up pretty bad. :( I know it's extra work, but do you think in the future for vids/sections with strobe/high frequency flash you could add a flash warning + time to scroll for those of us with dumbass brains? would big appreesh, thx ruby
finally someone keeping it real. Some music just sucks ass or isn't performed well at all
Ok for real that Infinity Cinema song was great. Probably could be freaking amazing if it developed or changed more.
Got a little Dog Fashion Disco from it.
It's The Trooper by Iron Maiden
Mr gng was super refreshing ♥️
The chopstick guitar solo reminded me of the tone from Californication
Been watching this series for a while now, and I must say, the submissions have moved past like...real roastable/cringe moments to just a few tweaks/minor feedback
Glad to see microtonal music is becoming more mainstream
LMAO
Can’t believe Rudy missed the surprise from Infinity Cinema at 0:44
The song is still a salad tho
15:52 Bro hasn't heard of Sigh
Surprised there are no comments about the half eaten banana and how good it fits into the golden ratio
12:36 bro it's microtonal, leave it to rumdy andobe to disregard the very intentional and innovative guitar tuning
The Trooper, is the Iron Maiden song you're thinking of. Usually played in E minor and D, Brogre changing it to A minor and G.
Edit: Usually these videos have one or two good ones but these were genuinely all pretty bad lol.
yooooooooooo rudy havent seen u in a while wassup man
If you think about it, Infinity Cinema is pretty much Black Veil Brides with dad aesthetic
Is this the 6th reaction video? ( I was looking for more videos like these and I found the playlist with 5 videos from 1-3 years ago)
Late to the party, the wizard bloke straight ripped the trooper from iron maiden. Was typing that when Rudy said it. Forgive me Habibi. Love your work.
He really got down on that banana
Wtf, the dog doesn't blink D:
The last one was actually pretty good !
Lol I hope to be the one Djent band in the next couple months! Good shit homie.
Segment at 23:00 nd 24:53. I figured it out! Rudy's accent there sounds just like Clark's/COQUE's. He is arab dad's true son. Rudy is the imaginary(?) friend.
music feels like its going towards a roadblock, especially guiβar musig
This was a funny one. And I think its the trooper by iron maiden. I thought it was just a disturbing cover at first
Saying that Blond Brogre song sounds like Iron Maiden, even as a joke, is giving him too much credit. The lyrics are clearly trying to be geeky, but musically, it sounds like someone just discovered the poppiest of hair metal bands (think Def Leppard or Autograph) and spent 1 month maximum learning guitar to try to imitate it.
20:35 someone's been listening to black crown initiate lol
The guy forgot the grammar 16:12 "Blood, Love and Tears"
Have you listened to my demo yet? It’s as prog as prog gets. Odd time signatures. Tempo changes that make ratios adding more time changes. Tuplets. 7:4 stuff. Guitar solos. Djent. All of it. Jazz classical funk metal.
Damn Rudy got me acting up with that banana 👀👀👀👀
"Prog" is what trying to say "frog" with your lips stuck together from the honey-syrup on your piece of baklava. 😎
Last one was some Akira yamoaka type shit
The Maiden song is Run to the Hills
No thanks, scammer.
22:28 Rudy has started a voice over carrier? xd
Ok but that Stygal track was actually fucking insane. It almost sounds like this screamo/sasscore band called Terrifying Girls' High School. Everything else was boring as hell though
14:42 Trooper.
I thought your first mouth pop was actually in the last song 😂
I dig the last song.
Infinity Cinema was pretty dope.
Stygal is somewhat interesting, but yeah, the quality isn't there yet.
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