I think the Marauders stim as well cuz they don't want to be left behind. Space is scary if you can't shoot up, they're facing spacecrafts that are cannonically larger than a building with beams that abduct you into the heavens. Pretty sure nobody wants to be left behind. Also the marine squad shooting the chicken might be cuz they got hungry. Glad to hear your ear's recovering well Lowko stay safe and healthy out there! I still want to watch more of your very informational casts
It’s a pretty fair point that disruptors got nerfed then people started to say disruptors are worse. Luckily this doesn’t affect me at my civilian mmr 🎉 :)
Yeah, I would love to just hear you talk about other things for the minute or two you end up skipping. Recent patch updates/news/drama, history of the players, discussing the theoretical of how the player that lost the previous game could have won, etc etc.
Very fun match. But mid way through the 2nd match you could already see Terran is slowly getting a supply advantage and once those ghost are out, it’s hard to comeback from that.
The word "plethora" means "an excess." If you have a plethora of supply depots, by definition you have too many supply depots. People use it to mean "a wide array" or "a large number," but that is not what it means.
@@flip6616 You ever get the sense that the usefulness of words is being diluted into non-existence sometimes? I do. But then, I'm the kind of guy who will look at the dictionary and straight-up disagree with it if something doesn't seem right about what it says. >_>
I don’t play SC2, but I love watching the pros. At 14:15 Wondering why Cure didn’t pick up his ghosts with the medivac. MaxPax got 3 free ghosts. Expensive mistake?
I'm a tottaly amateur player, but I found that resource wise it is better to have higj ground vision with a allucination. meaning that you can go for blink stalker push without a robot facility.
Liking the video cause it's Lowko, but I also didn't like the games, so there's that... EMP is just kinda like the o'l archon toilet back in the day with the old mothership's vortex, cheap... We had the same issue with ghosts snip before it was tweaked, I know a lot of units can feel cheap, but ghosts just always make it so obvious...
Just so ya know "Plethora" tends to have the connotation of it being excessive or indulgent, and is often used when describing a wide variety of things. eg. "Reynor bought every single upgrade and thus had a plethora of options at his disposal to take care of Maru's army, but would he have enough to handle this mid-game push." The way you used it is correct-ish, but not the more common way it's used. Originally it derives from having an excess of blood in the skin, usually chronically and in the face. This has been your nerdy language comment of the day.
Jesus loves you. He is Truth and only Truth can set you free from lies and their consequences (Hell). I hope that you will repent because Heaven would be much greater with you in it as well, Storm.
@@darkalley8595 Seems a bit of a non-sequitur but God knows exactly what it would take to get me to become a practicing Christian. I have to assume that since God has not done that, that God does not want me to practice Christianity. Which would be pretty indistinguishable from just believing God does not exist. You do you, though.
I think it would be good if the disruptor ball damaged enemies or restored friendly shields. That way the opponent wouldn't know whether to split or not.
its not only that terrans have became so good at dodging novas but also the fact that novas was nerffed. Protoss throughly needs some buffs, many of the protoss updates have been opposite of what should be done (purification nova nerf and shadow templar blink nerf). I think what they should do is make high templar faster and remove these stupid nerfs of lately. People complain that protoss is F1A move and simple, but all the updates just take the very soul of protoss away by making all the skill required units trash. I used to be protoss player but these days its just boring.
the main problem is disruptor. At top pro level it is mostly useless, because it is hard countered by micro. So effectively a lot of resurces and supply spent on disruptors become a deadweight. No wonder that protoss tends to lose. It should have been reworked into something closer to SC1 reaver.
Cure finished out that first game so smoothly bc of those amazing emps. killing 3 archons for free before the main battle. and then the next 5 went down extremely fast too. but lowko was too focused on the disrupter shot that got 4 or 5 units
Many people seem to like using "would have" in place of past tense. This is incorrect. If he would have done this, then x would have happened - wrong If he had done this, then x would have happened - correct
The more I play Protoss, the more I realize that their units are individually terrible. People complain about the Protoss cheese or Airtoss deathballs, but what else does Protoss have going for them? Especially right now -- the state of the race is terrible, and even very successful professional Protoss play very cheesy games because mid to late game against Terran and especially Zerg are often toss-ups. I cheese EVERY SINGLE GAME when I'm playing Protoss. I'd rather take my chances at a cannon rush or proxy and win or lose quickly than drag things out to the mid-game and start to lose slowly.
The more you focus on fundamentals the faster you get better so unless you’re doing a push for a certain rank it doesn’t benefit you much to just cheese. That’s what i think for myself at least, everyone learns differently. U do get more games in when u cheese so that might go against what i said idk
@@Federico-1 I do not play well enough to ever have fundamentals carry me. I will never out-fundamental an opponent of equal or greater skill. My macro is fine, because I have a good memory and can math on the fly well. However, my micro is tragic, and I'm never going to be good at harass. I can win with a timing attack when playing Terran, but Protoss units are SO BAD when you can't harass while defending and dropping WHILE teching. You can't just pump out Roaches and Ravagers and be fine in the mid-game. You need a mix of a bunch of units that ALL need to be microed to do different things... Or you cannon rush or turtle until you can build a carrier deathball. I'm never going to play at the pro level, or even high Diamond level, so I'm pretty much forced into cheesing.
Agreed, emp is far too strong, I mean come on like someone else said the only retort to ghosts for Zerg is neuraled ghosts to emp the Terran army... honestly Ghosts are far too strong, their utility is fucking bonkers... especially with the recent balance patch nerfing the radius of the purification nova and considering damn near every Terran unit can stutter step attack so fucking quickly that it's literally impossible for anything to get close... plus all the double production, mules, and free scans,... Terran definitely has a massive default advantage against both the other races...
@@narangood42 protoss units are big and they dont have mobilities, you cant really engage in 3 angles like zerg, but you're right, they need to stop stacking all of their units against terran.
Bioball of terran walks over becasue of marauders basically cancel every land unit of protoss... so carrier production is realyl good against hte bio ball supported with a mild ground army that works as a break point... priorty of taking out marines... and it evaportaes.. so you the marauder count of your opponenet, is 50% or higher, you go carriers...... Carreirs mized in as support can be way better then pure carrier, but carreirs are recommnded and use of more static walls, becasue of lore, permenant cloaking was reserved only for the dark templar... because of other relations, I jsut find protoss can never win a land fight when maruaders.. are teh large portion of the army expecialyl combined with ghosts and window mines.. proitss really needs compelmientary units, they did have a funyn jaguar electro pulse unit, that would of made sense... If nto carrier... 4-6 oracles... are super good.. I stil ldon't see anyone making statis wards everywhere.. and support phoenixes and or dsirupters ot tim killing those frozen units.. In co-op play statis is crazy, bannelings and mines are so good destroying all the statis units... statis can also be useful on ramps... so... Protoss is designed ot go air.... so don't play toss unless you want ot go sky toss... ther eis a reaosn peopel ahte it... VOid rays were nerfed out of existence but its the design of hte unit.... it used ot destroy an entire base in like less then 8 seconds.. when powered up.... which the dps... was like glitched.. 1500 hp... cc killed in 1 seocnd or less... when fully powered up from 6 void rays.... Void rays were nerfed by never improved, tempests were okay, but... Ihtink the tempest oculd of been better if it had an air siege mode... so naturally a long range... attack is great... and air siege mode where it takes it central cannon and focuses it into a localzied defensie system against air and ground... PHoenix range upgrade is great... ground toss can work, but its mostly a rush or gimick of over whelming to some degree, but if terran can get up stim and marine hp and jsut a ball of marauders you get over run.... I remember a logn tiem aog arguement so i stopped playing sc2.. I said they shoudl do less damage to buidlings,, becasue terran had littel defence against.. 5-6 void rays... you couldn't evne defend with vikings because their range wasn't so long.. meh.. times... but ... protss if managed more micro'd as a spell caster tech race peopel can perform way better.. but zerg is really great, actualyl anyone that can manage spell casting well will do well. spells are powerful.. .event cahgners.
Protoss units are just too slow, disruptors and their novas being no exception. They even decreased the damage radius of the novas in the last patch. Ghosts should have been nerfed by now for years, their EMPs are too large, and ghosts literally counter everything. Nukes are way too cheap, too, just all around the most OP unit hands-down. Protoss units should be sped up, and given how bad map vision already was for Protoss to begin with, you would have to wonder why they increased the size of the observers to make them even more visible. SC2 is one of the best RTS games out there still, but it is also one of the most frustrating, particularly because the game could be so much better. All the derping around is really too much. Like, something as simple as commanding a probe to stay on a mineral patch until it becomes available, is that so hard to program in? Why is derpiness programmed into SC like this? It is annoying that the development team thought it would add to the complexity of the game by adding more micromanaging elements, but to have units purposely targeting the wrong/least effective units or not being able to properly queue certain commands is irritating and not the proper way; they could have achieved the additional complexity to weed out the amateurs from the more skilled by adding more unit types, having different map layouts that actually isn't always square shaped and predictable , more casting abilities, adding random bonus or detrimental elements that appear, there are literally so many different things they could have done.
I've always wanted heavily modified campaign units (mostly nerfed, because jesus christ Spectres would destroy the game into pieces via stunlock spam) as possible options to open up more unit comps and strategies, especially the micro-oriented ones like Ascendants.
To be fair, Ghost EMP radius was also reduced recently, from 2.0 to 1.75. I still think EMP is overpowered vs. Protoss, though- it makes Psi Storm look like a joke by comparison.
Terran has all the tools to win, man. Just look the dynamics in the gameplay they have against Protoss. Even though I'm a newbie, it seems obvious that Protoss units feel like a bit broken 🤷♂
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Oh please Lowko, it's not as bad as forgetting to hit unmute on your recording program and going through the whole session
I’ve done that before
I think the Marauders stim as well cuz they don't want to be left behind. Space is scary if you can't shoot up, they're facing spacecrafts that are cannonically larger than a building with beams that abduct you into the heavens. Pretty sure nobody wants to be left behind.
Also the marine squad shooting the chicken might be cuz they got hungry.
Glad to hear your ear's recovering well Lowko stay safe and healthy out there! I still want to watch more of your very informational casts
I really like quality time with Lowko, please share more :D
of all the starcraft casts, love lowko's the best
Solid advice, Lowko. I'll keep it in mind.
It’s a pretty fair point that disruptors got nerfed then people started to say disruptors are worse. Luckily this doesn’t affect me at my civilian mmr 🎉 :)
Please stop skipping and spend more quality time with us. We love to hear your stories ❤
Agreed
Yeah, I would love to just hear you talk about other things for the minute or two you end up skipping. Recent patch updates/news/drama, history of the players, discussing the theoretical of how the player that lost the previous game could have won, etc etc.
Agree, lowko don't skip plz
Petition not to skip things Lowko
Nice to HEAR that your ears are fine. (See what I did there? That is Dad certified, yo)
Very fun match. But mid way through the 2nd match you could already see Terran is slowly getting a supply advantage and once those ghost are out, it’s hard to comeback from that.
And while being consistently down in worker count. I haven't played SC2 for a long time, but Mules seem pretty crazy.
The word "plethora" means "an excess." If you have a plethora of supply depots, by definition you have too many supply depots. People use it to mean "a wide array" or "a large number," but that is not what it means.
pleth·o·ra
/ˈpleTHərə/
noun
1.a large or excessive amount of (something).
@@flip6616 You ever get the sense that the usefulness of words is being diluted into non-existence sometimes? I do. But then, I'm the kind of guy who will look at the dictionary and straight-up disagree with it if something doesn't seem right about what it says. >_>
Love how you upload so early, amazing day-starter
"Two really big balls" -Lowko
I don’t play SC2, but I love watching the pros.
At 14:15 Wondering why Cure didn’t pick up his ghosts with the medivac. MaxPax got 3 free ghosts. Expensive mistake?
I'm a tottaly amateur player, but I found that resource wise it is better to have higj ground vision with a allucination. meaning that you can go for blink stalker push without a robot facility.
28:03 He got vaporized. That was a very one-sided fight. lol.
Those are some big ass carpets.
A fellow carpet connoisseur, nice.
i just imagine lowko speaking to himself for the first match only to realise midway he didn't press record
Liking the video cause it's Lowko, but I also didn't like the games, so there's that...
EMP is just kinda like the o'l archon toilet back in the day with the old mothership's vortex, cheap...
We had the same issue with ghosts snip before it was tweaked, I know a lot of units can feel cheap, but ghosts just always make it so obvious...
Nice one with skipping the start of 2nd game. Really appreciate it. Thanks.
Very interesting the TvP problem, and a great match to follow! GG Well Casted!
yaa terrans used to get hit by disruptors than they nerfed it in patch. Or you can say they just got better
Your thumbnails have gotten so much better!
I guess that nerf to the disruptor ball size was the nail in the coffin and now toss has to cheese to win vs terran at the highest lvl
I am pretty sure that a perfect terran ai would also beat a perfect zerg ai
At this time, 100%. Since the last update, this is the best time to play as a terran, if you don't like a challenge.
Widowmine: From Hades heart I stab at thee!
Just so ya know "Plethora" tends to have the connotation of it being excessive or indulgent, and is often used when describing a wide variety of things. eg. "Reynor bought every single upgrade and thus had a plethora of options at his disposal to take care of Maru's army, but would he have enough to handle this mid-game push." The way you used it is correct-ish, but not the more common way it's used. Originally it derives from having an excess of blood in the skin, usually chronically and in the face.
This has been your nerdy language comment of the day.
Jesus loves you. He is Truth and only Truth can set you free from lies and their consequences (Hell). I hope that you will repent because Heaven would be much greater with you in it as well, Storm.
@@darkalley8595 Seems a bit of a non-sequitur but God knows exactly what it would take to get me to become a practicing Christian. I have to assume that since God has not done that, that God does not want me to practice Christianity. Which would be pretty indistinguishable from just believing God does not exist. You do you, though.
@@TubeTAGIt’s also entirely possible that nothing would convince you, so God just doesn’t bother.
@@nanowasabi4421 I mean, God is omnipotent, so that’s clearly untrue.
@@TubeTAG
Are you saying you think God would force you to become a Christian against your will?
That intro actually made me feel sad! Thanks for the constant content
So it is Timba now, and time to buff toss :D
I want more quality time with Lowko ngl
I think it would be good if the disruptor ball damaged enemies or restored friendly shields. That way the opponent wouldn't know whether to split or not.
its not only that terrans have became so good at dodging novas but also the fact that novas was nerffed. Protoss throughly needs some buffs, many of the protoss updates have been opposite of what should be done (purification nova nerf and shadow templar blink nerf). I think what they should do is make high templar faster and remove these stupid nerfs of lately. People complain that protoss is F1A move and simple, but all the updates just take the very soul of protoss away by making all the skill required units trash. I used to be protoss player but these days its just boring.
the main problem is disruptor. At top pro level it is mostly useless, because it is hard countered by micro. So effectively a lot of resurces and supply spent on disruptors become a deadweight. No wonder that protoss tends to lose. It should have been reworked into something closer to SC1 reaver.
6:48
You're welcome
Cure finished out that first game so smoothly bc of those amazing emps. killing 3 archons for free before the main battle. and then the next 5 went down extremely fast too. but lowko was too focused on the disrupter shot that got 4 or 5 units
I wonder why MP played Archons at all. EMP is such a hard counter to everything in this matchup, but vs Archons its an insta kill
Probably didn't want to draw too much attention to how OP ghosts are.
Second game is the perfect depiction of the current state of PvT, not even a chance…
mass immortal feels like the better protoss answer imo. look at the marauder counts.
whenever I take edibles and play starcraft I hear lowko's commentary on how I'm playing the game and it increases my win rate. thanks 👍
Glad to hear that your ears are better!
Lowko don't skip just talk bro, I've been here since 5 years man
Loko i use your videos before sleep, please feel free to talk anything else besides StarCraft, goof night loco 😜
Life advice === mind blown. 😂
GM lowko greetings from Cuba...... question ..... where is Gumi? i enjoy see him play
I'm here for the random unrelated things too!
25:10 is that an Ewok?
Happy to hear your ear health is getting better! Haha get it?? HEAR? Oh man I'll see myself out...
Many people seem to like using "would have" in place of past tense. This is incorrect.
If he would have done this, then x would have happened - wrong
If he had done this, then x would have happened - correct
What a great week so far, havent seen any viewer games. 🎉❤
The more I play Protoss, the more I realize that their units are individually terrible. People complain about the Protoss cheese or Airtoss deathballs, but what else does Protoss have going for them? Especially right now -- the state of the race is terrible, and even very successful professional Protoss play very cheesy games because mid to late game against Terran and especially Zerg are often toss-ups.
I cheese EVERY SINGLE GAME when I'm playing Protoss. I'd rather take my chances at a cannon rush or proxy and win or lose quickly than drag things out to the mid-game and start to lose slowly.
The more you focus on fundamentals the faster you get better so unless you’re doing a push for a certain rank it doesn’t benefit you much to just cheese. That’s what i think for myself at least, everyone learns differently.
U do get more games in when u cheese so that might go against what i said idk
@@Federico-1 I do not play well enough to ever have fundamentals carry me. I will never out-fundamental an opponent of equal or greater skill. My macro is fine, because I have a good memory and can math on the fly well. However, my micro is tragic, and I'm never going to be good at harass.
I can win with a timing attack when playing Terran, but Protoss units are SO BAD when you can't harass while defending and dropping WHILE teching. You can't just pump out Roaches and Ravagers and be fine in the mid-game. You need a mix of a bunch of units that ALL need to be microed to do different things... Or you cannon rush or turtle until you can build a carrier deathball.
I'm never going to play at the pro level, or even high Diamond level, so I'm pretty much forced into cheesing.
Can you play a xenocide custom campaign?
What's the point if making an immortal vs bio in game 2? Also why make archons vs Terran at all, seems like odd choices.
WAIT HEROMARINE STREAMS ON TWITCH?!??
great balance... i guess we can still nerf zealot and remove blink from stalker? not that it would change anything....
Plethora is better than saying couple for a bunch of things.
Another Pro PvT, another series where EMP just wins everything.
I really think that emp should not stack, archons just die ridiculously fast against emp
EMP is so busted that the only tool Zergs have against it is to neural a ghost and use EMP themselves
Protoss hate splitting they only knows a-move
Agreed, emp is far too strong, I mean come on like someone else said the only retort to ghosts for Zerg is neuraled ghosts to emp the Terran army... honestly Ghosts are far too strong, their utility is fucking bonkers... especially with the recent balance patch nerfing the radius of the purification nova and considering damn near every Terran unit can stutter step attack so fucking quickly that it's literally impossible for anything to get close... plus all the double production, mules, and free scans,... Terran definitely has a massive default advantage against both the other races...
@@narangood42 protoss units are big and they dont have mobilities, you cant really engage in 3 angles like zerg, but you're right, they need to stop stacking all of their units against terran.
Don’t forget to smile, alright?
Maximus Paximus!
14:12 Why? just pick-up!
Bioball of terran walks over becasue of marauders basically cancel every land unit of protoss... so carrier production is realyl good against hte bio ball supported with a mild ground army that works as a break point... priorty of taking out marines... and it evaportaes.. so you the marauder count of your opponenet, is 50% or higher, you go carriers...... Carreirs mized in as support can be way better then pure carrier, but carreirs are recommnded and use of more static walls, becasue of lore, permenant cloaking was reserved only for the dark templar... because of other relations, I jsut find protoss can never win a land fight when maruaders.. are teh large portion of the army expecialyl combined with ghosts and window mines.. proitss really needs compelmientary units, they did have a funyn jaguar electro pulse unit, that would of made sense... If nto carrier... 4-6 oracles... are super good.. I stil ldon't see anyone making statis wards everywhere.. and support phoenixes and or dsirupters ot tim killing those frozen units.. In co-op play statis is crazy, bannelings and mines are so good destroying all the statis units... statis can also be useful on ramps... so... Protoss is designed ot go air.... so don't play toss unless you want ot go sky toss... ther eis a reaosn peopel ahte it... VOid rays were nerfed out of existence but its the design of hte unit.... it used ot destroy an entire base in like less then 8 seconds.. when powered up.... which the dps... was like glitched.. 1500 hp... cc killed in 1 seocnd or less... when fully powered up from 6 void rays....
Void rays were nerfed by never improved, tempests were okay, but... Ihtink the tempest oculd of been better if it had an air siege mode... so naturally a long range... attack is great... and air siege mode where it takes it central cannon and focuses it into a localzied defensie system against air and ground... PHoenix range upgrade is great... ground toss can work, but its mostly a rush or gimick of over whelming to some degree, but if terran can get up stim and marine hp and jsut a ball of marauders you get over run.... I remember a logn tiem aog arguement so i stopped playing sc2.. I said they shoudl do less damage to buidlings,, becasue terran had littel defence against.. 5-6 void rays... you couldn't evne defend with vikings because their range wasn't so long.. meh.. times... but ... protss if managed more micro'd as a spell caster tech race peopel can perform way better.. but zerg is really great, actualyl anyone that can manage spell casting well will do well. spells are powerful.. .event cahgners.
Two really big balls, huh?
Protoss units are just too slow, disruptors and their novas being no exception. They even decreased the damage radius of the novas in the last patch. Ghosts should have been nerfed by now for years, their EMPs are too large, and ghosts literally counter everything. Nukes are way too cheap, too, just all around the most OP unit hands-down. Protoss units should be sped up, and given how bad map vision already was for Protoss to begin with, you would have to wonder why they increased the size of the observers to make them even more visible. SC2 is one of the best RTS games out there still, but it is also one of the most frustrating, particularly because the game could be so much better. All the derping around is really too much. Like, something as simple as commanding a probe to stay on a mineral patch until it becomes available, is that so hard to program in? Why is derpiness programmed into SC like this? It is annoying that the development team thought it would add to the complexity of the game by adding more micromanaging elements, but to have units purposely targeting the wrong/least effective units or not being able to properly queue certain commands is irritating and not the proper way; they could have achieved the additional complexity to weed out the amateurs from the more skilled by adding more unit types, having different map layouts that actually isn't always square shaped and predictable , more casting abilities, adding random bonus or detrimental elements that appear, there are literally so many different things they could have done.
I've always wanted heavily modified campaign units (mostly nerfed, because jesus christ Spectres would destroy the game into pieces via stunlock spam) as possible options to open up more unit comps and strategies, especially the micro-oriented ones like Ascendants.
Blink stalker is the fastest unit in the game fyi, and phoenix is the fastest flyer
To be fair, Ghost EMP radius was also reduced recently, from 2.0 to 1.75. I still think EMP is overpowered vs. Protoss, though- it makes Psi Storm look like a joke by comparison.
There's a blink unit even better than stalkers, and Terrans have it. Called Battlecruisers.
Terran has all the tools to win, man. Just look the dynamics in the gameplay they have against Protoss. Even though I'm a newbie, it seems obvious that Protoss units feel like a bit broken 🤷♂
No wonder lowkos always yelling. He has bad hearing
B-b-but we still dont know, who is MaxeyPaxey
Imagine see this video and it says uploaded 27 seconds and still not being first 😅
OMG my first First!
Sc Boring after new broken patch, cya next patch
STOP REWINDING!
Bet zerg wins
Protoss is in such a bad place, taking 1-15mins to close out a game they are very far ahead in and not having any real come back potential.
First
They should take EMP away from the ghost and give it to the Raven. Would make the ghost slightly less powerful.
Toss players need to accept a truth. If you want to play the cheese race it can't be good at everything else too.
zerg would win every time
Protoss = Best race in ladder
Terran = Best race in pro right now
Zerg = Very cool race, but a perfect terran always win
First :D
There needs to be an upgrade for Disruptors to allow at-will detonation or increased ball speed.
at will detonation is in coop and should stay there