@@rogeliomunoz8779 tbf wasn't interesting at all in the show i found him annoying and irritating to watch on the show but reading the books is what actually does a good job making you sympathize with him
Stannis was such a cold and complex character. He clearly had a code of honour but was willing to sacrifice anything to win the Game.. even his own daughter.
@@acs7167 in the books stannis isn't as dumb and cruel enough to sacrifice his own daughter, he values her much more in the books and would never do such thing
God if only that bloody book could come out already. Most of us want to see justice for these horribly wronged characters, especially the ruined ones like Stannis, Euron, and Barristan. I need to see D&D's wrongs being corrected by the canon and true story from GRRM.
@@bradleywilson5641 Dude. In the books, the northmen are ALREADY fighting for Stannis. The stories in the show and the books are DIFFERENT. The Boltons are literally suffering crisis in Winterfell, and their own bannermen are planning to turn on them. The Boltons are the outnumbered ones, not Stannis. How can you even think the books have the same crap as the show? Stannis's army is much better and more competent in the novels. And in addition to the army of the North, the plotting with House Manderly (the most powerful northern house), Stannis is also hiring a new army of sellsword. Don't use garbage from the show to describe what happens in the books. Also, Stannis is a master strategist, not a moron like D&D wanted him to be in the show.
Remember when the show was about diplomacy and interesting characters bouncing off eachother rather than who can enter console commands quicker? Good times
It amazes me that Mance refused the offer. Literally was given everything he wanted but because they didn’t take it by force he refused and got most of the wildlings killed. Mance knew what was coming and knew he was on the clock and yet he refused.
Mance was barely holding the wildling alliance together himself, which is why it was so historic. Mance said himself that if he took the deal the Wildlings would lose all respect for him and never honor it. He didn’t take the deal because he wasn’t capable of getting the Wildlings to agree to it. Think about it, they only agreed to go with Jon Snow right at the very last second of being torn apart.
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw people are stupid, have the not seen the show. Mance is 100% convinced that it would shatter the wildling alliance. Makes perfect sense why he doesn't bend
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jwwhen you say it like that it sounds dumb af. There’s no way the alliance wouldn’t held. Even if it didn’t the majority would likely have joined Stannis cause regardless
In Not that far in the books butmaybe this can still happen since i heard stannis is still alive in the Books If stannis and Jon Go together and he bend the knee to him it would make the whole Game more intresting And also daenerys wouldnt have it that Easy to let Job bend the knee to her behause jon is a man of honour
@@Rust_Cohle_Solos Rewatch. Jon aggressively asks Stannis how long he plans on staying as Castle Black does not have the food stores to support his army AND the Wildlings. And of course winter is coming. So yes, he kicks him out of Castle Black
He wasn't the true king by right. Robert made his claim for the throne not through conquest but his ancestoral connection to the targaryens from his grandmother. By secession laws it goes to the next male who is jon. Stannis would be after him.
@@Themrine2013 jon is not related directly to Robert, so Stannis is the next in line, jon would not be considered for the throne because he is not Roberts son but a son from Rhaegar, who was killed by Robert in the war, jon would probably never be in line in the first place, also if anyone even whispered that jon snow is actually a Targaryen he would be put to death by Robert or Stannis
@@EzEcro that is where you are wrong. Through Robert's grandmother Rhaelle Targaryen who Robert based his claim for the throne on is how Jon is related to him. Robert had no legitimate male heirs. Since he had no direct heirs from his loins. The line of succession goes back to the previous dynastic line skipping over Stannis and Renly. Which is Jon legally speaking. Than viserys, than stannis
@@Themrine2013 ur high as a kite g that's not how the line of succession in Weteros works lol. In the event where the King has no legitimate heirs the next in line goes to his siblings as both Viserys II & Baelor I became kings after their brother. Stannis has Targaeryan blood through Rhaella just like Robert so he is the next in line. Why tf would it go back to the previous dynastic line when Robert's siblings are still alive?? Sure Jon may still claim the throne through a rebellion but in lines of succession siblings comes 2nd after children
The funniest thing I find about Stannis death. Is that after his death Jon ends up doing exactly what Stannis offered. He fights for the North. Wildlings join his Army. Stannis made the best possible offer there was for Jon. He would give Wildings a place to live. He would take back Winterfell and give it to the Starks. And after winning the Iron Throne, he would have as king, dedicated all of the Armies of Westeros to fighting the White Walkers. And Jon was too stupid or stubborn to accept it. If Jon had accepted the offer a whole lot less people would have died. Stannis and his army wouldn't have died. All the people who died in the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have died. Jon wouldn't have to go beyond the wall to bring a White Walker so the Night King wouldn't have gotten a dragon. And since, the Red Priestess already considered Danaerys a chosen one. Stannis could have found a more diplomatic way of coexisting with her too.
1) Jon couldn't have persuaded Mance to bend the knee any more than Stannis could have. So even if Jon had accepted to become Jon Stark he wouldn't have been able to do anything for Stannis aside from maybe persuading a few Northern houses to back him as a legitimised Stark, and Stannis to retake Winterfell and slaughter the Boltons, but that wouldn't have helped much given the circumstances surrounding a significant portion of Stannis' army deserting. 2) The wildlings eventually followed Jon because he helped them with no strings attached and they realised that they would never be safe south of the wall without helping Jon take Winterfell back so they could live in relative peace until the army of the dead found a way south of the wall. If you actually rewatch the scene where Jon goes to the Wildlings to ask for their help, it's Tormund that convinces them to help Jon more than anything Jon said. Jon having helped them at Hardhome with basically no strings attached already built a little trust, but had Jon just demanded that they fight for him because he'd helped them previously, instead of convincing them that it was their fight too, that trust would have been broken and they'd have told him no. As opposed to Stannis who offered them pardon (for what crimes in their eyes), demanded their loyalty in return for their freedom and lands to live on, not exactly an enticing offer. 3) Jon has Ned's sense of honour. He pledged his life to the Night's Watch and that's what he intends to do. The younger Jon who'd only just joined, he would have jumped at the chance, but the Jon who had been moulded into a leader by Jeor Mormont would stick to his oath, because it was the right thing to do.
Also stannis made that offer to rob stark in the beginning too i think . To join him against the lannisters. If he had done this than the whoke series would have been over in 2 seasons
To think that Danarys and Stannis would've been able to work together is hilarious. Danarys wasn't even willing to give the throne to Jon and she loved him. And Stannis wouldn't have been likely to give up the throne either. Those negotiations wouldn't have gone well imo
Stanis: a man willing to sacrifice his own family for the Kingdom. Cersei: a woman willing to sacrifice the kingdom for her family. They seem so similar and different at the same time, especially when you consider that Stanis actually felt pain at the suffering he caused, and (according to the books) he thought taking the throne was the only way to bring order and stability to the people.
@@fellino8049 That's only in the show. Book Cersei and show Cersei are absolutely DIFFERENT. Book Cersei is 100% a textbook narcissist. She's also cruel and a bit abusive toward Tommen.
God dammit stannis why did you have to sell your soul to the devil? Stannis may not have been the most liked potential ruler but he would have been the most decent considering he wasn’t truly a physco like Joffrey.
Jeffrey is like the rich kid who bullied everyone because people to scare due to his family. Yes, the kid is a punk. His mom and grandfather are both power hungry psycho.
This was actually a sweet deal for the wildlings if only Mance Raider would have took the deal, he kept talking about saving his people and the wildlings ended up fighting anyway with much worse odds
Funny thing is this is exactly what Jon Snow did & offered once Davos convinced Jon, that the Wildlings were all part of the Realms of Men! Stannis would’ve been a great king, things just didn’t go his way & forgot his path by listening to the red woman too much.
@@harshagrawal1056 stop comparing the books to the show, because the show was still amazing and considered one of the greatest shows of all time no matter how it ended.
@@outlaw3572 no buddy the last four seasons butchered the story and the show was awful for half of its run. People compare it to the books because of how fucking easy it would’ve been to not fuck up literally and I’m not exaggerating when I say everything. Dorne, the north plotline, Stannis, the ironborne, Tyrion, Arya, bloodraven, euron, everything. They fucked up so if you wanna get pissy that people are rightfully angry go ahead. You aint gonna stop shit.
Sure, see how that worked out for Robb (ignored Cat's advice to not send Theon away and to not marry Talisa), Theon(ignored his sister's plea to abandon Winterfell and retreat) and the whole of good guys faction (ignored Dany's plan to just fly up to the Red Keep and incinerate Cersei, sparing thousands of lives in the process).
I never understood why Mance Raydar didn't take this offer. He says it's bc "he doesn't wanna enlist his men in a Southerners war". But it's not a Southerners war. Its a war of the realm. A realm he wishes to be a part of. In your home kingdom to boot.
I’m sure in the next book Stannis will be smart unlike the show and tell the lords of the North that if they help him take back the North by killing the Boltons and then take the crown he’ll make sure the Starks are the wardens of the North because of how much the North loves the Stark family.
Stan is should’ve sacrificed his wife instead of his daughter since his wife had a hatred for shireen that a mother should never have. But then I realized she doesn’t have his blood
Dillane would be the ultimate Emperor Aurelian. By all accounts, he was a stern, humorless soldier’s soldier who was motivated by a sense of duty. The two of them even look somewhat alike.
Jon gives Stannis the men in the books, not the wildlings since he fears Northern lords won't follow Stannis if he has wildlings in his army, he asks Stannis to return the 300 wildlings to him and instead tells him how to win 3000 northmen from the mountain clans
Stannis was the second best commander in Westeros...Tywin was the first! Also, Tywin defeated Stannis at the Blackwater! If Roose warned him about Stannis' arrival in the North, Tywin would have went there in a heartbeat!
Stannis: I'm talking about the Wildlings Jon's face: Ew bro no why just use more shadow magic and kill another kid at that point no need to stoop THAT low. I dont know why it just...to me Jon's just made a huge "dude what the fuck" face at Stannis and its hilarious. And eventually he too would understand the appeal of the wildlings.
Show Stannis - I'm going to hang out at castle black and then march a hopelessly small army to take Winterfell through a snowstorm while I also burn my daughter alive. Book Stannis - I'm buying 20,000 sellswords to bounce back from my defeat at the blackwater. And in the meantime I'm marching the remains of my army and northern troops that have agreed to join me to lure the Bolton forces into a trap I'm setting for them. Then once I've annihilated the Bolton's and have re taken the North for either Jon Snow or Rickon Stark I will take the newly arrived 20,000 Sellswords and any Northern forces that will join me and destroy the Lannisters for good.
If Stannis had even the slightest amount of charisma, he would've won many other players to his side. All his deals were always fair offers, and he had a good claim to the Iron Throne. It's unfortunate that he was so convinced of his own natural ability to be uncharismatic that he had to rely on the Red Woman to control others.
If he would have said, “I’ll give you an area where you can be free, no southerner or northerner in my realm will mess with you. You will be independent of me, and be free do govern yourselves as you wish. They may have taken that
The difference is Jon didn't do the same thing as Stannis. Stannis DEMANDED kneeling. Jon was reborn & the wildings thought he was a god. Culture of the wildlings dictated they follow the good magic man rather than the bad magic man. Especially when the latter is threatening your people & Jon is asking for nothing you don't already want to give.
D&D completely misinterpreted literally EVERYTHING about this character. Dillane did what he could w/the role, but D&D openly admitted they didn't care about the character...Weiss even stating he skipped some of his chapters.
Lack of Diplomacy by John and stubbornness of Stannis&Raider took toll on Wildling's life. Someone like Tyrion could have proposed a middle path acceptable to both... like MansRaider to accept Stannis as King till Winter only untill Wildlings stay South of WALL... Wildlings were going to be best fighter accustomed to Harsh Winter in North...but stannis burned their King on spike...
If we had gotten book Stannis in the show, he would've been the best character in TV history. But alas, we got Dollar Tree Stannis who couldn't even get an on-screen final battle and death.
Stannis the mannis would have been the mad king 2 cuz he liked burning people alive, I mean there nothing wrong with a nice bonfire to lift ya spirits 😁
Idk why this was so controversial, they get to move south before hardhome ever happens and live, after winning a battle against the boltons Which ended up happening anyway but with way more difficulty
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“I shall do a lot of nothing and then die offscreen.”
Yeah what a nasty ending for a really interesting character
@@rogeliomunoz8779 tbf wasn't interesting at all in the show i found him annoying and irritating to watch on the show but reading the books is what actually does a good job making you sympathize with him
Hahaha thats great! And true.
I never read the books, but somewhere in the web someone said that in the books he may still be alive.
@@silva3658 he is still alive and jon is technically dead
Stannis was such a cold and complex character. He clearly had a code of honour but was willing to sacrifice anything to win the Game.. even his own daughter.
Thats only the dumb show book stannis would never and never lose so stupidly to the boltons
In the series...
@@msmonsho ?
@@acs7167 in the books stannis isn't as dumb and cruel enough to sacrifice his own daughter, he values her much more in the books and would never do such thing
@@samikagan422 yes hes complicated in the books compared to whatever the hell they made him out to be in the show
THE ONE TRUE KING, In the books he will beat the Boltons.
I will because the iron throne is mine by right !
He will. Hope George gives him the ending he deserves.
God if only that bloody book could come out already. Most of us want to see justice for these horribly wronged characters, especially the ruined ones like Stannis, Euron, and Barristan. I need to see D&D's wrongs being corrected by the canon and true story from GRRM.
Even if he did he would be left with maybe 5k men max he needed the northern lords to back him with Jon
@@bradleywilson5641 Dude. In the books, the northmen are ALREADY fighting for Stannis. The stories in the show and the books are DIFFERENT. The Boltons are literally suffering crisis in Winterfell, and their own bannermen are planning to turn on them. The Boltons are the outnumbered ones, not Stannis. How can you even think the books have the same crap as the show? Stannis's army is much better and more competent in the novels. And in addition to the army of the North, the plotting with House Manderly (the most powerful northern house), Stannis is also hiring a new army of sellsword. Don't use garbage from the show to describe what happens in the books. Also, Stannis is a master strategist, not a moron like D&D wanted him to be in the show.
Remember when the show was about diplomacy and interesting characters bouncing off eachother rather than who can enter console commands quicker? Good times
For real.
So happy game of thrones has been popping up on my shorts
I get trauma flashbacks for how badly it ended , then angry, then i remember, oh yeah idgaf anymore! 😆
What else pops up on your shorts?
@@danevertt3210 breaking bad , prison break , vikings , ive been seeing some sandman stuff too
@@Thirtys_ hahahahaha I’m sorry….I was making a lewd comment
@@danevertt3210 LOL I SEE IT NOW
I always rooted for Stannis... but he shouldn't have killed his daughter. Unforgiveable.
In the books he did not. He is a much more deep and complex character
Becuase he wouldnt. D&d personally hate Stephen Dilane because of his commetns that GOT is like german porn. They deliberately twist his story.
@@yagzkemalylmaz5680 That's why i liked him. A shame G.R.R. Martin will never finish his books. So we'll never see the true story.
Pretty sure he didn't sacrifice his daughter in the books, and he's not dead in the books.
Same here
It amazes me that Mance refused the offer. Literally was given everything he wanted but because they didn’t take it by force he refused and got most of the wildlings killed. Mance knew what was coming and knew he was on the clock and yet he refused.
Honour or no honour was selfish of Mance to not take the offer…..
If not for himself, at least for his people.
Mance was barely holding the wildling alliance together himself, which is why it was so historic. Mance said himself that if he took the deal the Wildlings would lose all respect for him and never honor it.
He didn’t take the deal because he wasn’t capable of getting the Wildlings to agree to it. Think about it, they only agreed to go with Jon Snow right at the very last second of being torn apart.
It took him 20 years to unite them. It would take him minutes to destroy the alliance
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw people are stupid, have the not seen the show. Mance is 100% convinced that it would shatter the wildling alliance. Makes perfect sense why he doesn't bend
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jwwhen you say it like that it sounds dumb af. There’s no way the alliance wouldn’t held. Even if it didn’t the majority would likely have joined Stannis cause regardless
If only Stannis would have waited.
In Not that far in the books butmaybe this can still happen since i heard stannis is still alive in the Books
If stannis and Jon Go together and he bend the knee to him it would make the whole Game more intresting
And also daenerys wouldnt have it that Easy to let Job bend the knee to her behause jon is a man of honour
In the show Jon kicks him out. He had no other option.
@@zacharyshoemaker835 he didn't kick him . Stannis left himself.
@@Rust_Cohle_Solos Rewatch. Jon aggressively asks Stannis how long he plans on staying as Castle Black does not have the food stores to support his army AND the Wildlings. And of course winter is coming. So yes, he kicks him out of Castle Black
Stannis was a true king by right, in the show he was a marginal character, missed opportunity feels to me
He wasn't the true king by right. Robert made his claim for the throne not through conquest but his ancestoral connection to the targaryens from his grandmother. By secession laws it goes to the next male who is jon. Stannis would be after him.
@@Themrine2013 jon is not related directly to Robert, so Stannis is the next in line, jon would not be considered for the throne because he is not Roberts son but a son from Rhaegar, who was killed by Robert in the war, jon would probably never be in line in the first place, also if anyone even whispered that jon snow is actually a Targaryen he would be put to death by Robert or Stannis
@@EzEcro that is where you are wrong. Through Robert's grandmother Rhaelle Targaryen who Robert based his claim for the throne on is how Jon is related to him. Robert had no legitimate male heirs. Since he had no direct heirs from his loins. The line of succession goes back to the previous dynastic line skipping over Stannis and Renly. Which is Jon legally speaking. Than viserys, than stannis
The Baratheon brothers were just a bunch of fools who didn't know how to play the game. God, how can Targaryen grandchildren be so shit at politics?
@@Themrine2013 ur high as a kite g that's not how the line of succession in Weteros works lol. In the event where the King has no legitimate heirs the next in line goes to his siblings as both Viserys II & Baelor I became kings after their brother. Stannis has Targaeryan blood through Rhaella just like Robert so he is the next in line. Why tf would it go back to the previous dynastic line when Robert's siblings are still alive?? Sure Jon may still claim the throne through a rebellion but in lines of succession siblings comes 2nd after children
I really liked Stannis didn’t like how his arc ended. His acting was good
The funniest thing I find about Stannis death. Is that after his death Jon ends up doing exactly what Stannis offered.
He fights for the North. Wildlings join his Army.
Stannis made the best possible offer there was for Jon. He would give Wildings a place to live. He would take back Winterfell and give it to the Starks. And after winning the Iron Throne, he would have as king, dedicated all of the Armies of Westeros to fighting the White Walkers.
And Jon was too stupid or stubborn to accept it. If Jon had accepted the offer a whole lot less people would have died. Stannis and his army wouldn't have died. All the people who died in the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have died. Jon wouldn't have to go beyond the wall to bring a White Walker so the Night King wouldn't have gotten a dragon.
And since, the Red Priestess already considered Danaerys a chosen one. Stannis could have found a more diplomatic way of coexisting with her too.
The difference is that he didn't ask the wildlings to bend the knee, he explained to them why his cause was their cause.
That's perfect 🔥
1) Jon couldn't have persuaded Mance to bend the knee any more than Stannis could have.
So even if Jon had accepted to become Jon Stark he wouldn't have been able to do anything for Stannis aside from maybe persuading a few Northern houses to back him as a legitimised Stark, and Stannis to retake Winterfell and slaughter the Boltons, but that wouldn't have helped much given the circumstances surrounding a significant portion of Stannis' army deserting.
2) The wildlings eventually followed Jon because he helped them with no strings attached and they realised that they would never be safe south of the wall without helping Jon take Winterfell back so they could live in relative peace until the army of the dead found a way south of the wall.
If you actually rewatch the scene where Jon goes to the Wildlings to ask for their help, it's Tormund that convinces them to help Jon more than anything Jon said.
Jon having helped them at Hardhome with basically no strings attached already built a little trust, but had Jon just demanded that they fight for him because he'd helped them previously, instead of convincing them that it was their fight too, that trust would have been broken and they'd have told him no.
As opposed to Stannis who offered them pardon (for what crimes in their eyes), demanded their loyalty in return for their freedom and lands to live on, not exactly an enticing offer.
3) Jon has Ned's sense of honour. He pledged his life to the Night's Watch and that's what he intends to do.
The younger Jon who'd only just joined, he would have jumped at the chance, but the Jon who had been moulded into a leader by Jeor Mormont would stick to his oath, because it was the right thing to do.
Also stannis made that offer to rob stark in the beginning too i think . To join him against the lannisters.
If he had done this than the whoke series would have been over in 2 seasons
To think that Danarys and Stannis would've been able to work together is hilarious. Danarys wasn't even willing to give the throne to Jon and she loved him. And Stannis wouldn't have been likely to give up the throne either. Those negotiations wouldn't have gone well imo
This was a fantastic deal for Mance. Complete literally all of your goals for the price of a bended knee
I love that after everyone said no, Stannis dies and then everyone who said no just runs off and fights anyway. Classic D & D writing
Well the big difference is that they weren't fighting for Stannis
Dillane is so badass. Perfect casting.
@@lrts1lrts181 True.
Thank you for not playing that silly background music
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Same wtf
I’m glad Jon and Sansa did what they did to Ramsay, but I wish Stannis could have joined as well.
I sentence you to death Lord Ramsey, for ur crimes you must die by the kings law. Any last word ?
He would have said that for sure
I found my comment!!
Stanis: a man willing to sacrifice his own family for the Kingdom.
Cersei: a woman willing to sacrifice the kingdom for her family.
They seem so similar and different at the same time, especially when you consider that Stanis actually felt pain at the suffering he caused, and (according to the books) he thought taking the throne was the only way to bring order and stability to the people.
She never truly cared about her children, she put that false idea to justify her actions of evil.
I think she loved them. I think she loved Jamie. But her capacity to love was so limited and narcissistic.
She loved them because they were an extention of herself, same with Jamie, who was her twin. Cersi loves Cersi
@@AlexKing-ls9otbro what do you mean? Cersei literally LOVES HER CHILDREN SO MUCH that ready to burn the realms for the sake of her children.
@@fellino8049 That's only in the show. Book Cersei and show Cersei are absolutely DIFFERENT. Book Cersei is 100% a textbook narcissist. She's also cruel and a bit abusive toward Tommen.
Stannis is still alive in the books. Soon enough he’ll be kicking ass.
Didn't the last book say he was dead in the letter jon snow read
@@niallharrington3636 nope
Letter is likely fake. @@niallharrington3636
@@niallharrington3636The letter is 99.9% likely to be a hoax.
Why do they have to kill him off bro like come on bro like come on bro like come on bro why
I don’t care what anyone says. I love this character and the actor who plays him is amazing.
God dammit stannis why did you have to sell your soul to the devil? Stannis may not have been the most liked potential ruler but he would have been the most decent considering he wasn’t truly a physco like Joffrey.
Jeffrey is like the rich kid who bullied everyone because people to scare due to his family. Yes, the kid is a punk.
His mom and grandfather are both power hungry psycho.
R'hllor is not the devil. Only shallow ignorants think that way.
This was actually a sweet deal for the wildlings if only Mance Raider would have took the deal, he kept talking about saving his people and the wildlings ended up fighting anyway with much worse odds
Good lord i needed that Stannis v Roose plot.
Awesome how his battle and death was off screen tho
Funny thing is this is exactly what Jon Snow did & offered once Davos convinced Jon, that the Wildlings were all part of the Realms of Men!
Stannis would’ve been a great king, things just didn’t go his way & forgot his path by listening to the red woman too much.
D&D ruined him. In the books he didn't listen very much to melisandre and he was much more clever in books.
@@harshagrawal1056 stop comparing the books to the show, because the show was still amazing and considered one of the greatest shows of all time no matter how it ended.
@@outlaw3572 no buddy the last four seasons butchered the story and the show was awful for half of its run. People compare it to the books because of how fucking easy it would’ve been to not fuck up literally and I’m not exaggerating when I say everything. Dorne, the north plotline, Stannis, the ironborne, Tyrion, Arya, bloodraven, euron, everything. They fucked up so if you wanna get pissy that people are rightfully angry go ahead. You aint gonna stop shit.
@@outlaw3572 delusonal 🤡
@@baltazarriosdelbarco4230 so it’s not considered one of the greatest shows of all time 😂 yeah right you’re the 🤡
The wildlings wanted to go south of the wall but didn’t want to compromise. This was a good offer they should have taken.
Such a honorable man tricked by a witch ,if game of trones can teach us something is to never never never listen to a woman
You ment religion
Youre so bloody dim
Sure, see how that worked out for Robb (ignored Cat's advice to not send Theon away and to not marry Talisa), Theon(ignored his sister's plea to abandon Winterfell and retreat) and the whole of good guys faction (ignored Dany's plan to just fly up to the Red Keep and incinerate Cersei, sparing thousands of lives in the process).
@@user-zz2bc3sd7m they only give advice on their own interest my friend
I never understood why Mance Raydar didn't take this offer. He says it's bc "he doesn't wanna enlist his men in a Southerners war". But it's not a Southerners war. Its a war of the realm. A realm he wishes to be a part of. In your home kingdom to boot.
Good point. If the Wildings fought on the victor's side that'd do them well for a long time.
technically it would be a southerners war(just one that could benefit the realm).
I’m sure in the next book Stannis will be smart unlike the show and tell the lords of the North that if they help him take back the North by killing the Boltons and then take the crown he’ll make sure the Starks are the wardens of the North because of how much the North loves the Stark family.
Love Stannis’ confidence anyway.
Stannis Kinslayer's fate was sealed the moment he killed his brother with blood magic
He wanted to be a king so bad that he stopped being human.
Stannis the Manis
Stannis is straight gangster!!
The irony... Jon does exactly what Stannis had wanted in the end 😅
Stannis was a smart man; the show did him dirty.
Stan is should’ve sacrificed his wife instead of his daughter since his wife had a hatred for shireen that a mother should never have. But then I realized she doesn’t have his blood
He couldnt wait two weeks for "the longest winter in history" to end
Dillane would be the ultimate Emperor Aurelian. By all accounts, he was a stern, humorless soldier’s soldier who was motivated by a sense of duty. The two of them even look somewhat alike.
Stannis was incredibly fair here, pardoned of all crimes and made citizens of Westeros with land of their own for helping him
Stannis the Mannis
Stannis is a just ruler and a fair one, he'll fit sitting on the iron throne
Jon gives Stannis the men in the books, not the wildlings since he fears Northern lords won't follow Stannis if he has wildlings in his army, he asks Stannis to return the 300 wildlings to him and instead tells him how to win 3000 northmen from the mountain clans
Imagine being so sure of yourself to think that the Wildlings would love to "serve" in your Army just to get Freedom
The one true King.
Stannis the god damn mannis.
The moment the Mannis told Mance to kneel, he'd already lost
Stannis was a character just filled with empty promises.
Stannis wasnt afraid of Bolton. But was worried about Tywin Lannister. Goddamn
Stannis was the second best commander in Westeros...Tywin was the first!
Also, Tywin defeated Stannis at the Blackwater! If Roose warned him about Stannis' arrival in the North, Tywin would have went there in a heartbeat!
Stannis: I'm talking about the Wildlings
Jon's face: Ew bro no why just use more shadow magic and kill another kid at that point no need to stoop THAT low.
I dont know why it just...to me Jon's just made a huge "dude what the fuck" face at Stannis and its hilarious. And eventually he too would understand the appeal of the wildlings.
I don't think it's as much that the plan is morally bad as it just not likely to work due to the wildlings resistance to authority
Stannis killing the wildlings was the second best cavalry charge i saw ever.
Rohirim was the first.
Boltons killing him was the third.
THE RIGHT FULL KING OF THE IRON THRONE !!!
"I will not ask them to fight for you,"
Proceeds to rally them to do the exact same for him a bit later but without a massive army to support them
Show Stannis - I'm going to hang out at castle black and then march a hopelessly small army to take Winterfell through a snowstorm while I also burn my daughter alive.
Book Stannis - I'm buying 20,000 sellswords to bounce back from my defeat at the blackwater. And in the meantime I'm marching the remains of my army and northern troops that have agreed to join me to lure the Bolton forces into a trap I'm setting for them.
Then once I've annihilated the Bolton's and have re taken the North for either Jon Snow or Rickon Stark I will take the newly arrived 20,000 Sellswords and any Northern forces that will join me and destroy the Lannisters for good.
"Uhm, i will not kneel, because i'm free and i don't kneeeeeeel"
It was clearly a fair deal. Stannis the one true king ❤
True leader. Men of honor. Reapect
I remember this season i was rooting for Stannis
Stannis Borathean, he's a true heir of the 7 kingdom after Robert death. I like his accent big time
“I don’t think that likely”….. -smiles arrogantly and thinks “oh, he will kneel, or die”. -Jon’s thinking “not this king”….. 😉
Very sad that he had died, a true generous king.
Stannis the mannis. Prefer book Stannis, he is a boss.
So this is where Snow got the idea of joining forces with the Wildlings....
The One True King of Westeros, Stannis
Stan is was the only man who was actually fit to rule.
The show did Stannis the Mannis so wrong.
I always rooted for Stannis. It’s a shame how he went out.
Game of thrones died with Stannis
Still cant believe he didnt cut him down for saying such heresy.
MY KING
What a pity that he didnt consider ramsey bolton and sir twentygoodmen when planning his attack on winterfell
If Stannis had even the slightest amount of charisma, he would've won many other players to his side. All his deals were always fair offers, and he had a good claim to the Iron Throne. It's unfortunate that he was so convinced of his own natural ability to be uncharismatic that he had to rely on the Red Woman to control others.
Thats a lot of "I Shall"
Imagine if Stannis had a conversation with Tywin lannister.
If he would have said, “I’ll give you an area where you can be free, no southerner or northerner in my realm will mess with you. You will be independent of me, and be free do govern yourselves as you wish.
They may have taken that
The difference is Jon didn't do the same thing as Stannis. Stannis DEMANDED kneeling. Jon was reborn & the wildings thought he was a god. Culture of the wildlings dictated they follow the good magic man rather than the bad magic man. Especially when the latter is threatening your people & Jon is asking for nothing you don't already want to give.
D&D completely misinterpreted literally EVERYTHING about this character. Dillane did what he could w/the role, but D&D openly admitted they didn't care about the character...Weiss even stating he skipped some of his chapters.
True king🎉
In the books he is still thinking about that offer that's the reason he was killed itseem stupid that he rejected
The last great season of GOT
Last great half a season of GoT
Lack of Diplomacy by John and stubbornness of Stannis&Raider took toll on Wildling's life.
Someone like Tyrion could have proposed a middle path acceptable to both...
like MansRaider to accept Stannis as King till Winter only untill Wildlings stay South of WALL...
Wildlings were going to be best fighter accustomed to Harsh Winter in North...but stannis burned their King on spike...
Good luck with that 😂
I am too tired right now, but I will soon tell you EXACTLY what his entire arc is all about and how things will play out for him.
Disappointing that the Starks and Baratheons didn’t get any revenge by kill any lannisters 😅😅
If he wouldve gotten that army it wouldve been ov
If we had gotten book Stannis in the show, he would've been the best character in TV history. But alas, we got Dollar Tree Stannis who couldn't even get an on-screen final battle and death.
Mance should've bent the knee
Stannis the mannis would have been the mad king 2 cuz he liked burning people alive, I mean there nothing wrong with a nice bonfire to lift ya spirits 😁
It's his Targaryen side
If he believed in himself and listen to Ser Davos, he could be in a better situation. Red witch destroyed his army and power.
This was a good deal by stannis
Stannis being a meance;)
If only john snow had pledged to stannis game of thrones may have ended respectfully
He did none of things. MWAH HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
That was really a fair offer. Mance should have had taken it.
Idk why this was so controversial, they get to move south before hardhome ever happens and live, after winning a battle against the boltons
Which ended up happening anyway but with way more difficulty
The was a fair offer though
The righteous king who burnt his own daughter alive for the dream of grandeur.
🦌❤️🔥
He's so Smart
the show made him so dirty
Jon snow is literally playable character from the elder scroll games