How do you move an enormous tram from 1901? | Behind the Scenes
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- Since its construction was completed in 2021, a great many objects from the Science Museum Group's collection have been moved to Building One at the Science and Innovation Park in Wroughton, Swindon.
Some are more complex to move than others.
Join us as we follow the action when our 1901 Glasgow tram is moved from an old hangar on the site previously known as the National Collections Centre into the new collections facility. Standing 5.5 metres tall and weighing in at 16 tons, some specialist equipment will be needed.
To find out more about the National Railway Museum, head to: www.railwaymuseum.org.uk/
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:45 What Is the Science and Innovation Park?
01:25 Building One
01:49 The plan
02:44 The teams
03:00 The challenges of the Glasgow tram
04:02 Opening the hangar doors
05:20 The history of the Glasgow tram
07:43 Plan B
09:37 The move begins
12:11 Heading to Building One
12:47 Entering Building One
15:50 Move completed
16:50 Public tours
17:04 Credits - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Trams are awesome. That is all I have to say on the matter.
My Lord Jago.... having just this minute replied to someone else on the "growing Up in Dunedin" site..we were commenting on the tram barn cum trolley bus dormitory by Market Square.... I only just remember getting off a tram in the Exchange, outside Brown Ewing dept store ,,, can't have been later than 1955 as the tram system was,,,in all its unmaintained widespread glory,,, closed...to be replaced by the efficient, quiet hill-climbing trolley buses.
Oh hello there!
Always fun to see that the TH-camrs you like like the TH-camrs you like 😂
3:41 Lucy, "I've been planning this for 5 years" then 4:27 commentator, "But as he tries the second door....there's a problem" Amazing, no one thought to check the door worked!
Any factory relocation firm could plan that move in 5 mins, some jacks, skids, a forklift and a low loader.
WTF took 5 years to plan?
@@Phuc_Yhou a) Five years is the time taken to devise the whole moving plan, not just one item; b) the aim of a museum is to protect the objects in its care that may be irreplaceable. A factory moving firm just has to get the stuff moved asap and try not to damage any of it to such an extent that it will no longer work.
So GFY!
Typical of these types of videos. There's always a "problem" to keep the viewer's attention.
I assume 5 years means the first time someone suggested a new building and moving things into it. I expect lots of meetings and bureaucracy is involved. It may very well have been known that the door had issues and they had "plan B" already done. I mean, why else would they have the equipment to move the trailer on hand.
I really dislike this style of documentary video where they try to amp up the drama. It really makes people look bad regardless of if its justified or not.
You obviously didin't understand the entire video. Probably stick to your own area of knowledge, presuming you have one.
Don't you love how everything goes down to the wire.
16 tons is not exactly heavy, they shift mainline steam locos of around 120 tons or so and then take them on the motorway with no dramas.
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Its like you didn't watch the video the problem is that the tram barely fits through the doors
@@chrisinnes2128 God your good, you know what I saw, what other tricks do you know.
It either fits through the door or it doesn't
Simple really.
@@Steven_Rowe ill do ya one better, i was there. it moved about a mile up the same airstrip, took about 4 , maybe 5 hours from start to finish and the building was BUILT to fit eveyrhting in. the camera people had NO drama and made up half the stuff. we measured it all years in advance, its a million quid airlock. these fake dramas they add ffs. was planned 5 years ago XD. as always, better would have been to do a show ON the tram itself...not the lorry that moved it which is what this was lol
@TheVRSofa all these tv things are full of drama, I saw a series on Ykrkshire railway. It was about the North York Moors and everything had drama in it .
Most of is BS
@@Steven_Rowe My word, you're ignorant: not only can you not type, you can't even type a coherent comment.
Beautiful (and truly enormous) tramcar, I hope they continued developing the tram network in Glasgow 😊
From what i understand Glasgow had over 140 miles of track network, and at it's peak over 1000 trams opperating over the network. Interesting to note too in the backround footage there were several Trolley-buses, not just the imfamous diddler with a single central headlamp.
@@PiersDJackson I did notice them too! Glad the museum got funding for a new hall, the hangars really show their age.
It’s not that big, just to note and I’m sorry to inform you that there is no Glasgow tram network anymore. It was removed ‘with inches to spare’, years ago!
It would be interesting to see the Trident 3 getting moved.
That one will be easy. Just have to open the hanger bay doors fully, a good Tug and Driver, job'll be done in about 30 minutes.
I wonder if the plane would still be able to fly?
Among the memories I have of these 'Standard' cars is on warm summer days - yes, even in Scotland we got them - the driver would leave the door at his back partially open. It provided a much welcomed flow of cooling air into the lower deck. Since I have used most of the types in the Glasgow fleet, it is possible I have been a passenger on this particular one. Doesn't matter if I didn't - I loved them all.
The only 2 Glasgow standards I'm familiar with are numbers 22 and 812 (and the open topper 1068 formerly paisley 68) all are great trams
Excellent What a wonderful Treasure well done!!!
Will there be a mailing list for when they release the tour tickets? I am betting when they have stuff in, it will be an amazing place to go.
Shame it's not on display at one of the NRM sites.
i agree with that pity its not google says the ''site isnt open to the ;public sept for sertin times with pre booked groups''
Bravo guys. 👏
Would be cool to see the tram running on its own power and just run tracks from the old hangar to the new one
It's easy to see why you'd want to preserve that item. It is such an attractive tram.
Nice tram and a very rare herd of sheep, must be worth a visit.
That is one museum I would love to have a look around.
Always concerns me how top heavy they look. I presume the chassis and weight of the wheel sets keep them from toppling over when traveling round bends. I understand they didn’t travel very fast but they must have had to take weight distribution into consideration, like for example not having the lower deck completely empty and the upstairs deck full to capacity.
Where I've come across hangar doors like this a small tractor was often used to push the door open. The handle was a last resort if a tractor wasn't available.
Move it from 1901? Nice trick if you can pull it off!
Enjoying how many people are confused by a video production following a standard video production narrative
Or that large capital projects like this take years to plan and carry out.
Or how you maybe don’t “just open the door” to archives containing preserved artefacts that you don’t want to expose yourself to temperature or humidity changes.
The newer generations might very well be growing up without the 'Omg will they make it in time/can they do it' tropes of network TV - or they are now old enough to recognize it for what it is (a vain attempt to create a tense atmosphere) and call bullshit on it.
Lovely tram, awesome preservation effort, but the production is just... No. Just stop it. We're not 12 years old anymore, at least the majority of us isn't.
That must be Wroughton near Swindon. It was a Maintenance Unit in 1956 when the RAF's last operational maritime reconnaissance Lancaster was 'reduced to produce'. Nobody cared in those days.
I remember, even in 1962, seeing a Glasgow female tram driver passing us and I still have a penny from the tramlines, bent at Dalmuir West.
The destination of that tram is less than 100 meters from where I am now. It's also a rather beautiful object.
the impliction seems to be that this tram has been in store ever since it's arrival - I'm surprised it's not gone out to one of the Scottish transport or city museums in that time.
The Transport Museum in Glasgow has for decades had several generations of Glasgow Corporation trams, including one from the same era as this one.
There are also Glasgow standard cars at the National Tramway Museum at Crich, Derbyshire and the East Anglia Transport also has one which is being restored to running order after being returned from the Paris transport museum a few years ago (it had been there since 1962). @@DubStu
Amazing it took 5 years to plan the move but only a short time to plan moving a trailer out of the way. I thought they would have to come back in 3 years, also trams are not top heavy they do not blow over in the wind Like a train they are built with all the weight low down. Interesting film but over dramatic
the five year plan is the whole thing - all the objects
In 1997 my husband was one of the team who moved that tram out of the science museum to that air field he was one of three chosen to take and look after Stevenson's rocket from the science museum to Kobe in Japan,
I remember this team as a kid in the science museum shame it’s not in display still
Nice new building - hangers look they need TLC : paint, oil , and grease maybe.
If you have Allelys turning up with a wagon which is going to cost you, the smart money would be on making sure you can open the doors to get the thing out a week or so beforehand. If you don't, Sod's Law says that on the day either the door or the tram is not going to budge!!
The fact the grand tour used this space for there track racing
That area where the first hangars are looks similar the grand tour test track
I liked the part on the history of the tram, but the rest could've been told in 2 minutes.
0:14 Is that the testtrack from The Grand Tour? (The Eboladrome)
Yup. They used the same site.
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I came here to gawk at the awesome Tram! but... yeah.... Air Navy, I've had to deal with an armored hanger door that no one maintained for years. I strained/sprained my trapezius muscles on both sides trying to close hanger doors with the tracks filled with packed dirt and dry bearings. We were only going it because of a trio of water spouts heading right for the hanger. We got the doors closed... didn't derail a hanger door which is a danger. The folks responsible for the hanger doors got a butt chewing.
From memory, and I used to write Maintenance Requirement Cards for a living. Monthly use compressed air and vacuum to remove dirt and debris from hanger bay door tracks. Quarterly inspect wheels for flat spots, inspect chain for corrosion, bends or breaks. Every 6 months inspect wheels, chains, mechanisms for excess wear, corrosion, proper operation, lubricate bearings and mechanisms. Most places skip all of this and the day comes when they need to close the doors... they don't move or, worse the door leaves the track....and, I know of one incident where the door operator got splatted.
So in all the history of the tram....where and when was it built?
Does anyone know what the single decker bus with twin small wheels is next to the tram in the original hanger.
It is an experimental 4 axle bus/coach designed by Moulton, the man who designed the Moulton (folding?) bike.
Work with a few cmpanies as a fabricator. Gernally the decision to use the other door involves about an hours descussion with the guy whos gonna do the jobs idea winning.
I personally would have reveresed into the door with the forklift to see if it could shock it
Wasn't this tram in South Kensington science museum looks like the I saw probably 50 years ago
What is the bus/coach next to it?
Well I've seen some dramas made out of "cat sat on mat" events, but this one takes the biscuit. "It's my job to make sure no animals get into the building" you couldn't make this up. The people at Alleleys must have looked at this as a piece of cake, they're used to moving 100 ton locomotives though narrow streets, steep hills, and town centres. This was a 16 ton tram going from one bloody big building on an airfield, along about half a mile of a runway into another bloody big building.
I was probably on this tram as a wean in Glasgow. Depressing.
Did I spot the robot (or a copy at the very least) at the beginning marked RuR…Rossems Universal Robits !
0:15 that’s The Grand Tour Eboladrome!
TRAMS!!!!!!!!
What going to happen to the hangers as they really need maintenance and a coat of paint.
We had trams in Johannesburg until the 1950's, The first day after theiir substitution by buses I decided that the city council had made a bad mistake. I worked about 2 Km from the centre of the city. It was 5 pm and drizzling. Previously, when a tram arrived it swallowed up the entire queue. They had provided sufficient buses, but obviously not at the same time. It took 3 buses before I could get on, and I was soaked. Places like Amsterdam and Switzerland, to name those I know, have kept trams: the Amsterdam ones running one car during the slack period and hooking on 1 or 2 more coaches when needed. The loss of trams was the result of the glorification of the motor-car, with little idea of what a disaster the car would become. Now cities are spending good money to go back to the old days.
Come to Melbourne Australia. We have a large tram network.
Please can you do a video on evening star
I like to see a video of the class 37 that hiding away
I cant help feeling Evening Star won't move for a long time
Its near swindon
Why’s it been in storage for 60 years and not on display?
Same with any museum- only so much gallery space. Some have 10 times (or more!) as many items in the archive as on display.
Is it electric?
From the thumb nail I thought they were attempting time travel.
Shame it's not on tracks like the heritage trams in Blackpool
Almost easier to build tracks. :-D
Beautiful old tram, what a shame it will only be in storage and never seen again
they said people will be able to visit the place in 2024....
i dont get how the move took 5 years to plan if i planned to move something like it would take a least a few hours to a month max
0:14 is this the grand tour test track?
It's part of our history that we cant see because its locked away, the place should be running tours every weekend and not a couple of times a year.
So it’s like a museum/archive that not open to the public.
True, but there will be public tours available in Building One in the future
i see thats the ebola drone race track in the grand tour.
No questioning it, that's definitely the Eboladrome.
You wait a few months, then it's in 1902. No effort required. You're welcome. 😁
How do you move an enormous tram from 1901? With an enormous TARDIS, of course!
How to move a Glasgow tram? Shout come oan get aff then drive with fearsome zeal till little bits of passengers get tangled in the wheels!
Simples!
What time did it set around the Ebola Drome? 😂
Been planning for 5 years ? Why so long
Can't open a hangar door? You can tell they were never Staff Cadets on an Air Cadet Gliding School. Stuck hangar doors were an everyday problem easily solved with a Land Rover and some careful driving. 😉
Was this made for broadcast TV? It has that lowest common denominator patronising tone that's so indicative of TV documentaries
What you mean about by tone?
@@s125ishTone of voice I think
Yes! I thought it was just me😂
"Made it through the door with inches to spare!!!"
Honestly 2 trams could comfortably pass through that door!
The fake tension and drama made this really painful to watch..
@@s125ishIt's patronising and states the obvious, like it's made for children. There's lots of building artificial tension for what is just a day at work for all involved.
The Eurostar video was just the same. I'm sure that was made for/by TV, too.
The curator with a camera stuff is so well done. This just stands out as anachronistic
I fully agree. The subject is very cool - it's a beautiful tram and the logistics and preservation teams seem to be doing a great job.
However, that whole 'will they make it in time' and 'omgzz something is going wrong you guysss will they be able to simply drive around the stuck door that totally coincidentally got stuck and wasn't tested once in the 5 year planning phase' bullshit is just annoying.
Even when when the experts literally say they're confident they can move the tram, there must be this atmosphere of tension. It's like this is made for Discovery Channel. Which is absolutely not a compliment. It's a giant difference between the 'Oh well, door stuck, it's fine - we'll just go around it' and the narrative the producer is trying to put into the video.
I haven't watched broadcast TV in 10 years by now, so the broadcast TV style of 'will they make it' false tension sticks out like a sore thumb and makes the whole production feel overly childish. I know kids love big machines like trams and trucks, but i reckon they would enjoy one of Practical Engineering's videos on big projects just as much as a 'will they make it in time' style TV documentary.
Switch out the faux tension with some basic info about why such tall trams don't topple over despite being super tall (light wooden top, heavy steel chassis and motors below) and you end up with a much more pleasant thing to view.
Took a month to put the tape on the windows and 6 weeks to get it off.
Great planning. No one checked the doors open 😂😂😂
Glasgow was just about self-sufficient at the time
Surely you can move it no farther than 1902!
to move a tram from 1901 a time machine would be required
I can tell Lucy is the type of person who gets paid £50k+ a year and on this day she done basically nothing, couldnt even check that the door worked in 5 years and went home with a full days pay. There are many in my company too and in all companies, how do I get a job like that?
You load 16 tons and what do you get?
Well, mostly a whole lot of faux drama. The folks working the jacks would have to screw up royally to tip it over. Most of the mass of the car is below the floor - the traction motors, wheels, axles, etc, probably weigh more than the whole upper deck. These things were filled with probably close to 100 passengers and ran around pretty sharp curves. Not a big deal.
I appreciate the difficulty of the work and understand why museum staff would plan this for 5 years before doing it, but I can do without all the fake tension. Kudos to the staff for great work in a great facility!
Nice to know these objects are in the care of people who can’t open a door 😂
What’s the point? A great old team that hasn’t run since 1962?
No one can fret and fuss over nothing quite like the British 😂
5 years planning and they couldn't even open the doors , should have phoned Michael Caine
Not another requirement for a project manager, I remember an old friend that worked for NRM couldn’t understand gauge 😂 used to drive that waste of money Scotsman, how does this require a project manager 😂 pay lots of money to people and say it was needed, 5 years planning 😂😂😂😂
This Building 1 is like a place they are putting things into for long term storage, as if they are planning for something! 🤔
They are planning for long-term storage.
They can't keep everything in the museums
The old hangers are falling apart and leak. I have heard you needed a hard hat to enter them. This is why their haven't been any public tours for years.
This is a storage area for thr reserve collection of the Science Museum. It is common for museums to hold more objects in their collection than they can display in their main sites.
Its great this priceless collection is getting a new home to help preserve it for future generations.
I suspect the early signs of a housing development. Seen it before. Someone knows exactly the main reasons and I suspect it’s the start of a much bigger plan.
@@UKWMO The airfireld is a pretty poor place to build housing. And I know that hasn't stopped them before.
But... the former airfield is removed from Wroughton town and up a steep hill from it.
Also a lot of the aitfield is a solar farm now.
More likely housing will be built to close the gap between Wroughton and Swindon.
As i said earlier, the old hangers leak and are falling apart. And have been for years.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
It's a shame that their no plans for the general public to ever be able to most of these objects in the flesh.
Did you not watch the video.. they literally said in 2024 people may be able to visit the place...
Good grief, I expected Auntie Mabel and her dog Pippin to make an appearance...is there a version of this for the over 10's?
@@conradharcourt8263 I'm sorry you feel the need to throw childish insults, it obviously was intended for children, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@@conradharcourt8263 you obviously felt patronised by my reply which as you would say highlighted your own inadequacy, a use of words which is not a subjective comment, I also see you identify as a cat, so yet again you can't help having a dig at the people who point out the fault with the video production and not the video in question, very subjective.
Go troll someone else.
well, that history of Glasgow trams was pretty generic. Plus minus a few details you could have said pretty much that about any tram system. It's not as if there aren't plenty of things about Glasgow's trams that made them pretty much unique.
FIVE YEARS of planning to move the tram half a mile?
Am I missing something here? How does it take that much planning?
Five weeks, or maybe five months I could understand, but how did it take so long from "yeah we need to move this" to "it's moved now"?
I'm just guessing here but the 5 years planning could be from the initial thoughts of building the building to house the objects, through to getting the building constructed and all the plans for moving the other objects going into the building and finally moving the tram into place.
@@bluechang08 that makes a lot more sense and isn't an angle I had considered.
Thanks.
Oh no move a trailor push it a Bit embarrassing drama 😂
There's no need to move it from 1901, it's already in 2023. Honestly, they'll make a documentary about anything these days..
Whotta load of farting about to move something that used to move on its own back in the day!
5 years of planning??? has she never watched TH-cam before?? all she had to do was put Allely's in the search bar, 5 years is now a 5minute phone call
Great watch , shame the York railway museum has gone to S , no we don't need this great workshop or history we need Wonderlab ...... wonder want they were on to think that was a good idea
who are "we"? Do you actually mean "I"?? is it, by any chance, because things are changing, you're ageing and you don't understand how people who go to museums have changed?
Ah yes, the mususem that has finally been able to expand and develop has gone to s, with the wonder lab that has provne to be popular with the younger people visiting, bringing in the mususem more money ... Yeah totally, i agree with Stewart as well don't talk for everyone just yourself. you might not need it.. but the kids clearly love it, which its who its for. The mususem is owned by the "SCIENCE" museum company
How is this tram enormous? surely it’s the same size as all the other ones , will the Plebs, only watch if it’s got enormous in the title?
"It's taken 5 years of planning."
"Why?"
**Blue helmets everywhere who don't even check infrastructure/surroundings at any point of the planning process**
**Blue helmet with an anemometer on a calm day**
"Oh.... that's why.... people in jobs that do nothing but cost money/draw ludicrous salaries, sit in meetings, and cause delays."
Usually how it works in the real world is that the big bossman calls the crane operator/telehandler driver and says he needs XYZ doing, and it gets done within the day at best or week at worst.
Millions of tons that are heavier, and some that are bigger and more unwieldy getting moved all over the country daily and in a fraction of the time.
The move of a huge number of objects has been planned for five years; this is one of them. It's part of a massive relocation of objects.
"in the real world" the bossman calls the crane operator and between them they wreck the roof of a hanger and reduce a 120 year old tram to matchwood.
These people are professionals. try not to be an arse all of your life.
5 years probably included planning the construction of the building. But they didn't mention that to make it seem better for the film.
A FLOCK of sheep.
Too much loud emotive music and BS chatter ☹️
thies types of programes dramaties eververthing moveing a tram not dowing braine sergary
That tram was driven by women. It can resist to tough things.