Imagine if Eurostar hadn't been stopped by the British govt to run services farther into the UK, and have night trains going all the way from Scotland to France. It would have been so amazing.
Not my recollection, from my memory Eurostar had surplus trains and some did work on regional services-minus the buffet cars sometime in the late nineties. The issue was really one of economics, it competed with the airlines, so the longer the trip the less advantage. London Paris, Brussels direct was very competitive with limited check in times. Eurostar may have been capable of 100 Mph on southern metals, but never did. The Move to St P shaved half an hour as it was dedicated track.
@@nkt1 The UK government mandates Passport and customs checks before embarkation. Plans to have direct London - Frankfurt services were shelved because it's not feasible to have secure facilities and checkpoints at every stop inbetween.
Nice reminder of these units. I drove these to Paris and Brussels from 1993 to 2011. Some French sets also had a 1500dc setting which used the 3kv dc pantograph for the south of France, this allowed it's use to Avignon and Bourg Saint Maurice.
Got more button and switches than a swiss army knife! Really enjoyed taking a good look inside a Eurostar train, thanks for showing is inside the Eurostar
This marvel reminds me of Concorde: a Franco-British project, a very complex piece of engineering, a beautiful exterior design, and a seamless passenger experience.
Another great video! One recommendation from me as a very frequent visitor and rail enthusiast of a younger generation, is to do this live in the museum and allow people to go inside these icons of engineering and history that ‘my grandfather drove’ or ‘I remember seeing that in 2007’ ect. These videos are great especially for those who can’t get to the museum but those in the museum (especially young kids) want to see something move, sit in the drivers seat to do that dream of sitting in the cab of a high speed train as well as seeing it. The potential is huge and should definitely be considered.
Plans are afoot to make the cab of the Eurostar available to visitors (which should be easier now it has been moved), but we don't have a clear timeframe at the moment. We'll be sure to shout about it loudly on our website when it's ready!
Oh epic! When I went in the first day of public access since the reshuffle (the Wednesday after) I did think that the steps currently there were asking to be used for access to the cab haha
While we don't have high-speed rail at the moment, we do hope that once a peaceful reunification is achieved that the network built in the South would be expanded so that the whole peninsula is better connected.
Chris and Bob were both stellar in this one. Rarely seemed like they needed to pause and think about what they were saying, it all comes out so naturally! Also, I don't know if the NRM is taking requests for episodes of this series, but might I cheekily suggest the EM1? Building off of the previous episodes which have both been on electrics.
Very nice to see this video It reminder me all the time I have passed in the 3 capitals power car, specially during snow I have work on the Eurostar project since 1990 until my retirement in 2017. To smile, Chris speaks always as fast that during some technical meeting between the three railways Many thanks Chris, for this video
This is a fabulous series, been dying to visit for years and this is just pulling me closer. Thanks for taking the time to make this, it's beautiful seeing these works of art up close
I love these videos where we get to see the "guts" of the locomtive and get an idea of how they actually function. Very informative and provides a much richer context for the locomotives on display. The NRM could do better on that front I think, as the information boards on display in the great hall are very brief and give little technical or historical detail of locos. These guys should write a NRM "spotters guide" with some of these technical and hostorical fact for visitors.
Happens every time. The original plan with HS2 was to run on into Europe on some services and by the sounds of things, they've flushed out that idea too (along with much of HS2 unfortunately). They'll spend billions on Londoncentric projects at the drop of a hat, but when it comes to anything outside the South East it's always cancellations, downscaling and promises that are never fulfilled.
What I love most about the original Eurostar is the fact that the original London terminal for it was Waterloo...Britain takes every opportunity it gets to troll the French and I don't blame you
Never been to Paris or Brussels on one of these,but I have travelled from Kings Cross to Peterborough many many times when they were on the East Coast Main Line they were good nice and comfortable 👍
yay I was just there on Monday. Now this loco is sat within the small tunnel section you can see in the background, so it must have moved since this was shot.
No Stephen, I’m sorry to say this but sadly the mock Eurostar has been thrown out and the real Eurostar is now in the tunnel example. It got moved there on 04/07/22. The footage for this video was taken quite a while ago because in the background many of the pink COVID-19 reminders ect of to sanitise ect are still there which haven’t been there since like January this year or something idk but definitely not recently. But what is interesting is that the very last bit of video of the front of the Eurostar’s nose was taken about 20/06/22 so quite a long time between the last video and the rest of the videos haha
Hello! Yes, we moved a few locos around in Great Hall at the start of July. It was a very complex move, but we've got it all on film and will show you what happened on this channel in a few weeks. As well as enabling us to display the Eurostar power car in the Channel Tunnel section, the move freed up room for the Cape Government locomotive-previously on display at Locomotion, Shildon-to come into Great Hall. Thanks for watching, and for visiting!
Id love to see a TH-cam poll or Facebook post for either requests or whatever for upcoming episodes. Personally I'd love to see something non locomotive, but the signalling training layout would be incredible.
The expertise and knowledge required to understand how this train works is incredible. Only a front bench minister from our government could think you could bus in a temporary worker for the day to fill in for this job.
I am a driver and is a shame how people think you are just a person pushing a button. Thanks for highlighting. I've signed 4 trains but each is completely different although most share some commonality with the Eurostar. Really does bring back the days of training with sleepless nights studying air and electrical diagrams, isolation switches, power distribution, transformers etc. Traction and route knowledge is really the heart of the job.
Thank you for this episode! It's a lot more complex than I imagined - really speaks to the brilliant engineering accomplishment of building a train that can run on four different networks. Maybe one day we'll get those North of London services....
It really is a shame we never got the through service. A lot of investment went into the project alterations to signalling were made because of the long nose overhang and to prevent interference from the on train equipment. Station platform alterations were also made. They ran an HST service to connect with the Eurostar at Waterloo but sadly passenger numbers were low and the whole idea was shelved.
It was a shocking waste of UK taxpayer money that the North of London sets were built but never used. I believe they were eventually sold to SNCF for considerably less than they were worth. British people getting short-changed yet again!
@@soundseeker63 Yes they were sent to France where I saw one in service leaving Paris just after we arrived and still in GNER livery. Sadly I missed getting it on video something I always regret missing . I am not sure if any are still running but just before Covid I saw one painted in green and white livery in Brussels and missed getting that on video as well as I was on my Eurostar home sat on the far side. Don't have much luck do I LOL. They were lovely trains and it is a shame GNER did not keep them longer. There were some problems with them which restricted them to 110 mph on some sections but after spending so much on the project it was a real let down that they just abandoned the whole thing instead of solving the problem and better promoting a through service to Europe which I am sure would of been a great success given the chance.
@@cedarcam I got to ride on one of the GNER sets in 2002 on a service to Leeds. Great units but, actually slower on the ECML than a Mk4 set because of the limited power supply! They did feel rather confined on that route, though it was a nice little taster of what might have been (while it lasted).
@@soundseeker63 I got one each day for a couple of weeks while on a training course and that was my first taste of one. I decided then I wanted to go on a longer journey and took a day off work to go to Kings Cross and back. They were lovely trains so smooth and quiet and yes a little slower as they were limited to 110mph in some places. One problem was heavy damping on the pantograph caused it to slow to raise at level crossings where the wires are a bit higher. That caused arching and damage to the carbon strips also interference with signalling circuits, another was with both pantographs raised the overheads could get damaged. The power supply was a problem between Leeds and Skipton and an instruction not to raise both pantographs was issued on that section, after a set drew too much current and tripped the breakers, later an instruction was issued for the rest of the ECML but that was in relation to the wire damage. A driver I knew said they were always easing off the power because they were like a race horse and had to be held back. I can believe that as they were only gong at around half speed and had lots of power to spare with 4 less coaches.
Oh, and 373's did run "Norf of Lah-dan". GNER ran the "White Rose", which was a 373 in their livery. I travelled on it. It ran from York, hence the name.
Certainly captured my imagination as a child watching these fly through Kent with that livery in particular. These are much prettier, sleeker and more graceful than the new one and sound better too, although I can't ignore the new one goes faster!! I adore these for their engineering and looks, and for the hours I spent standing watching them sparking along at speed (the main attraction😁) from the top of ebsfleet
I visited the Museum in 1990/1991-ish, when traveling on Interrail. I remember vividly myself searching for the Museum, while walking the streets of York; when I crossed my path with a bunch of what I'd normally describe as hardcore hooligans. To my astonishment, they said "Hi mate, looking for something?" - "Uhm yeah, the railway Museum...?" - "Oh we're passing that on our way, just follow us". That wasn't the first thing to put me off-balance that day, once in the Museum I frantically looked for the ticket-office. I inquired at one of the safety-personnel. "Oh it's free, just walk in". A free museum of this importance - unthinkable here. In The Netherlands we have a Musuem Card, that for aprrox. 60 quid per year (65 euros) gives you access to about 400 museums. But for free... ...wow. About time I re-planned a visit I guess.
What an interesting tour around a train that crossed both technical and national borders. Remarkable. What a tragedy that the UK has left the European family, imagine 'what could have been'...
The pictograms and brake indicators on the outside are common to all French rolling stock and unrelated to international operation requirements. I wouldn't be surprised if those are IUC standards too. Too sad this power car didn't come with its original third rail contact shoes !
In denmark we have the railway museum In Odense. a railway museum named museum oestjylland which also displays trains as Randers was the factory for our beloved IC3 we danes love our home made trains just as you brits do...
Interesting video, with reference to the fridge in the driving cab, joking aside, no driver would have wine or be allowed to carry wine on them or they get sacked , maybe cheese though
Superb. Do you think Chris enjoys his job? 😉 And this is why in Germany when you hv Dipl Eng after your name, you are respected right up there with doctors and the like. Unlike in Britain...😑
i really need to make a trip down the railway museum ive only been once, the last time i was down i was a little lad and i remember seeing the flying scotsman in bits getting a massive overhaul. my kids have never been and my son loves trains. i think a little holiday is on the cards haha. love the videos so much information i didnt know
Thank you. A great many people have memories of coming here when they were young, it's really nice to come back after a long time away. We're open seven days a week during the school holidays, so you might want to come along soon. :)
cool video, and very detailed information. btw, at 13:33 im very curious what's inside the motor block. does it have some motors inside it or just some circuits?
In the motor blocs there only power modules, relays and cubicles for real time computer The motors are fixed under the body and take a place into the bogie with the gear box
Thé pedals are for one item of the VACMA (veille automatic avec contrôle du maintien d’appui), il my memory Is OK it’s the DSD which control if the driver is not dead And and awake
Amazing bit of kit. Travelled on them several times. Bit of a stretch to say they killed the airlines, mainly due to the high ticket prices, but still an amazing train. I guess the e320 Velaros are a bit simpler as they don't need 3rd rail. I wonder, did they remove the pickup shoes from the e300s/373s that are still in service? I guess they're not needed anymore.
That's a lot of different power grids both between and within each country! Certainly that must cause havoc with the electronics if the driver was not paying attention of switching to the correct grid?
It never entered service! It was built for the 'North Of London' services from British regions, which were cancelled entirely after the trains had already been built, leaving several trains surplus to requirements.
I don't understand how a TGV set like this one houses a whole power plant inside, while there are also the newer Siemens trains with distributed motors. Where's all that tech located then? Or has it been miniaturized dramatically?
Does Class 373 have a Driver's Remainder Appliance Button like the HST Class 43 or not? If so it should be located next to the Throttle Control like the HST learnt that HST DRA button from Train Sim World made by Chattam Kent Dovetail Games. The 3kv DC Belgian Pantograph is also suited for French 1.5kv DC. Speaking of the Cabinet behind the Train driver does it have the AWS TPWS UK TVM-430 KVB France Belgium TBL Memor II switches or not? That should have been said on the Driving the Eurostar section
No, it does not have TPWS, nor does it have DRA, this video kept referring it to be this being the train, it wasn't, its a single vehicle and therefore not a train, its a power vehicle, or more correctly noted as a Motrice, two motrice per train, M1 and M2, each half set had three powered bogies (six per train), two on the motrice and one on the R1/R18.
@@simongrego4231 they are fitted with tpws and aws actually, and its own form of a DRA fulfilled by the blue neutral light switch on the left of the desk.
@@nyan525 Not when they were built , TPWS was in its infancy when they were built, nor was DRA in the BR type fitting, again that was in its infancy too, AWS yes, the TPWS was fitted later, , but not technically required after HS1 and Temple mills were built as they ran off TVM430.
@@simongrego4231 maybe but they are all currently fitted with functional AWS and TPWS, even though Ashford is now fitted with KVB. The DRA isn't a red button that cuts traction, it's a switch that blocks the brake from being released, but provides more or less the same function, a reminder for the driver to check the signal/cab indication.
@@nyan525 Thats why i said when built, i havent done a 373 for some years, except ironically 3308 which is the one in York. I was a BRB Resident Engineer on 373 from 1993 until the last set was delivered, which was dispatched from Met Cam to NP without the Motrices being attached..
I hope not! Would completely lose the originality of the locomotive. As the curator said, it is the only locomotive in the collection that has never been repainted.
That was a brilliant tour through the Eurostar loco thanks to the N R M for an informative item PS All the loco tours you have given are brilliant and can hardly wait to get back to Britain to visit your fantastic museum again
I know more modern trains first check the voltage they get before they actually turn on, using a voltage detection of some sort. I think getting a low voltage would be fine, but too high voltage would probably melt some relays.
I don't know if there are automated systems to protect the electronic but there definitely are voltage indicators in the cabin for the driver to check after he raised the pantograph, before closing the main circuit breaker.
I suspect the systems would automatically shut off and force you to restart them. This situation actually happened to a Dutch locomotive built at the same time as the Class 373's just last year. Pantographs were raised on German overhead lines (15000 volts instead of the 1500v it needs) and the only thing that happened was that the pantograph automatically lowered and the protection systems came on. Edit: quick background info. This happened in the station of Bad Bentheim in Germany where the overhead lines can switch between Dutch 1500v and German 15000v. This way there is no need for modern locomotives that can switch voltages. In this case the locomotive raised its pantograph while the power lines were set on the wrong voltage.
Thanks, Bob and Chris, for another very informative video. If I may, make one comment about the cab control panel and the dark compartment in the motor room. if a portable light source could be included along with the camera, would, in my opinion, enhance the experience. If I could propose one more thing, a video focusing on some of the charismatic characters of times gone by, such as divers, firemen and other people, of note, who may have contributed by their personality and the jobs that they performed, to give a personality to the name. I watched the gathering of the surviving A4 Top Link drivers, as they recalled their time with Bill Hoole. His book also only gives a small aspect of his life on the footplate. I thought that a fuller aspect of him would give a larger persona to a name. Plus, I know little about the most well-known driver in the world Joe Duddington, but a look at his whole life, not just the bare bones, would give us a broader look at a person who put his life on the line, so to speak, to risk going into the unknown. I know even less about Tommy Bray, I imagine that he would have been feeding the fire nonstop, keeping his eye on the sight glass and poking his head out of the cab to see if the injector was still working, in a blur of activity, whilst enduring a string of invective from Joe. Tommy deserves, respectfully I think, an examination of his whole career. I imagine that there would be a lot more unsung people, who could shine a light on the larger aspect of railway life, from a century or more ago.
Very cool! I got to see this and the Shinkansen, Mallard and other pieces of equipment during a visit a while back. It is truly a great museum. I hope they similarly preserve one of the Acela locomotives at Strasburg, PA now that we're getting a replacement for those on our side of the pond.
@@dubious_potat4587 Even if they could compete with the low-cost airlines I doubt it still wouldve happened. It turned out in GNER times that the 373's werent allowed to travel beyond York and Leeds due to gauging issues on the bridges near Newcastle and the power suppy on the route not being enough for these trains.
Imagine if Eurostar hadn't been stopped by the British govt to run services farther into the UK, and have night trains going all the way from Scotland to France. It would have been so amazing.
I believe the idea fizzled out because the demand wasn’t there. How many people would really travel from Glasgow or Swansea on Nightstar services?
Could also run trains up through Birmingham through a tunnel under the Irish sea to Dublin.
Not my recollection, from my memory Eurostar had surplus trains and some did work on regional services-minus the buffet cars sometime in the late nineties. The issue was really one of economics, it competed with the airlines, so the longer the trip the less advantage. London Paris, Brussels direct was very competitive with limited check in times. Eurostar may have been capable of 100 Mph on southern metals, but never did. The Move to St P shaved half an hour as it was dedicated track.
@@nkt1 The UK government mandates Passport and customs checks before embarkation.
Plans to have direct London - Frankfurt services were shelved because it's not feasible to have secure facilities and checkpoints at every stop inbetween.
@@lars7935 they made it happen relatively recently in Amsterdam and Rotterdam though
as beautiful as Concorde.. thanks for the tour, not often you'd get to see all that stuff....
Nice reminder of these units. I drove these to Paris and Brussels from 1993 to 2011. Some French sets also had a 1500dc setting which used the 3kv dc pantograph for the south of France, this allowed it's use to Avignon and Bourg Saint Maurice.
So, what did you keep in the fridge? Forgive me, if I’m too nosy….
Got more button and switches than a swiss army knife! Really enjoyed taking a good look inside a Eurostar train, thanks for showing is inside the Eurostar
It really is quite brain-hurtingly complex inside. Luckily we had Chris to explain things!
Probably because a knife isn't supposed to have buttons and switches
**ba-dum-tsssssssss** 🥁
What does that big red button do though?
@@madtrucker0983 emergency brake button
This marvel reminds me of Concorde: a Franco-British project, a very complex piece of engineering, a beautiful exterior design, and a seamless passenger experience.
yeah but its sales and operating costs...
I love how Chris appeard out of nowere and went "ello Bob wana look inside :)?" i love that bit.
Another great video! One recommendation from me as a very frequent visitor and rail enthusiast of a younger generation, is to do this live in the museum and allow people to go inside these icons of engineering and history that ‘my grandfather drove’ or ‘I remember seeing that in 2007’ ect. These videos are great especially for those who can’t get to the museum but those in the museum (especially young kids) want to see something move, sit in the drivers seat to do that dream of sitting in the cab of a high speed train as well as seeing it. The potential is huge and should definitely be considered.
Plans are afoot to make the cab of the Eurostar available to visitors (which should be easier now it has been moved), but we don't have a clear timeframe at the moment. We'll be sure to shout about it loudly on our website when it's ready!
Oh epic! When I went in the first day of public access since the reshuffle (the Wednesday after) I did think that the steps currently there were asking to be used for access to the cab haha
@@NatRailwayMuseum That's great to hear! I really enjoyed this tour and would love the chance to see it in person some day.
These are better than any Netflix show. Please keep them coming! ❤️
While we don't have high-speed rail at the moment, we do hope that once a peaceful reunification is achieved that the network built in the South would be expanded so that the whole peninsula is better connected.
Thank you for the information Your Holiness!
Or just replace a limiting powercarrying system that is rigid with something that can have larger sways for safe operation on higher speeds
*AKA OHLE*
But, we do have high speed rail!
I see you everywhere!!! XD
Kim is it true that you don't have too poo like us mere mortals? 💩
Chris and Bob were both stellar in this one. Rarely seemed like they needed to pause and think about what they were saying, it all comes out so naturally!
Also, I don't know if the NRM is taking requests for episodes of this series, but might I cheekily suggest the EM1? Building off of the previous episodes which have both been on electrics.
You can sense the passion in Chris's voice; wonderful
This is very much Chris' baby, he and his apprentices have effectively rebuilt it using spare parts over several years. His knowledge runs very deep!
What amazing presenters! love to see such experts in their field talk about their subject like this. Thanks!
Very nice to see this video
It reminder me all the time I have passed in the 3 capitals power car, specially during snow
I have work on the Eurostar project since 1990 until my retirement in 2017.
To smile, Chris speaks always as fast that during some technical meeting between the three railways
Many thanks Chris, for this video
This is a fabulous series, been dying to visit for years and this is just pulling me closer. Thanks for taking the time to make this, it's beautiful seeing these works of art up close
As an industrial maintenance electrician who loves trains, I thoroughly enjoyed that. Thank you 😊
9:38 “The Most Important Part Of The Cab: THE REFRIGERATOR!”
What about the essential complement to the fridge: *THE CUP HOLDER?* 🤣🤣
I love these videos where we get to see the "guts" of the locomtive and get an idea of how they actually function. Very informative and provides a much richer context for the locomotives on display. The NRM could do better on that front I think, as the information boards on display in the great hall are very brief and give little technical or historical detail of locos. These guys should write a NRM "spotters guide" with some of these technical and hostorical fact for visitors.
This is a fantastic video series! The curators and guests are wealth of knowledge, and their enthusiasm is infectious. Well done!
Man! This was awesome!! The special guest guy was all over it. I very much enjoyed this!!! Thank you both for sharing!!
Absolutely love these videos, please keep them coming!
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The uneven spacing of the letters makes my inner perfectionist MAD.
I was on the first fare-paying service out of Waterloo in 1994 and have done the trip every five years since.
Absolutely bloody fascinating, love the in depth looks
Very enjoyable watch, great getting an expert talking you thought the details. Many thanks.
Great to have a look around such an iconic loco- And what a shame we never got the promised Eurostar service north of London.
Happens every time. The original plan with HS2 was to run on into Europe on some services and by the sounds of things, they've flushed out that idea too (along with much of HS2 unfortunately). They'll spend billions on Londoncentric projects at the drop of a hat, but when it comes to anything outside the South East it's always cancellations, downscaling and promises that are never fulfilled.
Amazing to see the Eurostar power car up close like that & go into so much detail with the explanations of all the components, liked 👍🏻 & subscribed
Thank you very much :)
What I love most about the original Eurostar is the fact that the original London terminal for it was Waterloo...Britain takes every opportunity it gets to troll the French and I don't blame you
Brilliant video. Keep them coming. The in-depth explanations were and are fantastic.
Never been to Paris or Brussels on one of these,but I have travelled from Kings Cross to Peterborough many many times when they were on the East Coast Main Line they were good nice and comfortable 👍
yay I was just there on Monday. Now this loco is sat within the small tunnel section you can see in the background, so it must have moved since this was shot.
No Stephen, I’m sorry to say this but sadly the mock Eurostar has been thrown out and the real Eurostar is now in the tunnel example. It got moved there on 04/07/22. The footage for this video was taken quite a while ago because in the background many of the pink COVID-19 reminders ect of to sanitise ect are still there which haven’t been there since like January this year or something idk but definitely not recently. But what is interesting is that the very last bit of video of the front of the Eurostar’s nose was taken about 20/06/22 so quite a long time between the last video and the rest of the videos haha
Hello! Yes, we moved a few locos around in Great Hall at the start of July. It was a very complex move, but we've got it all on film and will show you what happened on this channel in a few weeks.
As well as enabling us to display the Eurostar power car in the Channel Tunnel section, the move freed up room for the Cape Government locomotive-previously on display at Locomotion, Shildon-to come into Great Hall.
Thanks for watching, and for visiting!
Id love to see a TH-cam poll or Facebook post for either requests or whatever for upcoming episodes. Personally I'd love to see something non locomotive, but the signalling training layout would be incredible.
Fantastic video I have seen it on my visits to the nrm very informative video thanks for posting this video
The expertise and knowledge required to understand how this train works is incredible. Only a front bench minister from our government could think you could bus in a temporary worker for the day to fill in for this job.
I am a driver and is a shame how people think you are just a person pushing a button. Thanks for highlighting. I've signed 4 trains but each is completely different although most share some commonality with the Eurostar. Really does bring back the days of training with sleepless nights studying air and electrical diagrams, isolation switches, power distribution, transformers etc. Traction and route knowledge is really the heart of the job.
Fascinating and very well explained.
I have been on the euro star twice and I think it is absolutely fantastic
We did find some of the track in France was very rough
That was very fascinating! Interestimg how the more advanced thst technology gets, the more complex it gets as well
Thank you for this episode! It's a lot more complex than I imagined - really speaks to the brilliant engineering accomplishment of building a train that can run on four different networks. Maybe one day we'll get those North of London services....
It really is a shame we never got the through service. A lot of investment went into the project alterations to signalling were made because of the long nose overhang and to prevent interference from the on train equipment. Station platform alterations were also made. They ran an HST service to connect with the Eurostar at Waterloo but sadly passenger numbers were low and the whole idea was shelved.
It was a shocking waste of UK taxpayer money that the North of London sets were built but never used. I believe they were eventually sold to SNCF for considerably less than they were worth. British people getting short-changed yet again!
@@soundseeker63 Yes they were sent to France where I saw one in service leaving Paris just after we arrived and still in GNER livery. Sadly I missed getting it on video something I always regret missing . I am not sure if any are still running but just before Covid I saw one painted in green and white livery in Brussels and missed getting that on video as well as I was on my Eurostar home sat on the far side. Don't have much luck do I LOL. They were lovely trains and it is a shame GNER did not keep them longer. There were some problems with them which restricted them to 110 mph on some sections but after spending so much on the project it was a real let down that they just abandoned the whole thing instead of solving the problem and better promoting a through service to Europe which I am sure would of been a great success given the chance.
@@cedarcam I got to ride on one of the GNER sets in 2002 on a service to Leeds. Great units but, actually slower on the ECML than a Mk4 set because of the limited power supply! They did feel rather confined on that route, though it was a nice little taster of what might have been (while it lasted).
@@soundseeker63 I got one each day for a couple of weeks while on a training course and that was my first taste of one. I decided then I wanted to go on a longer journey and took a day off work to go to Kings Cross and back. They were lovely trains so smooth and quiet and yes a little slower as they were limited to 110mph in some places. One problem was heavy damping on the pantograph caused it to slow to raise at level crossings where the wires are a bit higher. That caused arching and damage to the carbon strips also interference with signalling circuits, another was with both pantographs raised the overheads could get damaged. The power supply was a problem between Leeds and Skipton and an instruction not to raise both pantographs was issued on that section, after a set drew too much current and tripped the breakers, later an instruction was issued for the rest of the ECML but that was in relation to the wire damage. A driver I knew said they were always easing off the power because they were like a race horse and had to be held back. I can believe that as they were only gong at around half speed and had lots of power to spare with 4 less coaches.
Fascinating was impressed voltage changes can happen at speed thanks!
absolutely fascinating, thanks for that! keep em coming! I must revisit York museum soon!
Oh, and 373's did run "Norf of Lah-dan". GNER ran the "White Rose", which was a 373 in their livery. I travelled on it. It ran from York, hence the name.
Certainly captured my imagination as a child watching these fly through Kent with that livery in particular. These are much prettier, sleeker and more graceful than the new one and sound better too, although I can't ignore the new one goes faster!! I adore these for their engineering and looks, and for the hours I spent standing watching them sparking along at speed (the main attraction😁) from the top of ebsfleet
Hugely enjoyed that. Thank you.
Bloody hell! That is one complicated piece of kit,damn.
This is fantastic! I was in awe when I saw this in the hall.
Great video. Fantastic. Really appreciate the upload. Thank you.
Chris knows his stuff
Chris’s knowledge is vast!
Had no idea they were so complex!
I visited the Museum in 1990/1991-ish, when traveling on Interrail. I remember vividly myself searching for the Museum, while walking the streets of York; when I crossed my path with a bunch of what I'd normally describe as hardcore hooligans. To my astonishment, they said "Hi mate, looking for something?" - "Uhm yeah, the railway Museum...?" - "Oh we're passing that on our way, just follow us".
That wasn't the first thing to put me off-balance that day, once in the Museum I frantically looked for the ticket-office. I inquired at one of the safety-personnel. "Oh it's free, just walk in". A free museum of this importance - unthinkable here. In The Netherlands we have a Musuem Card, that for aprrox. 60 quid per year (65 euros) gives you access to about 400 museums. But for free... ...wow. About time I re-planned a visit I guess.
What an interesting tour around a train that crossed both technical and national borders. Remarkable. What a tragedy that the UK has left the European family, imagine 'what could have been'...
So beautiful this train 😍
The pictograms and brake indicators on the outside are common to all French rolling stock and unrelated to international operation requirements. I wouldn't be surprised if those are IUC standards too.
Too sad this power car didn't come with its original third rail contact shoes !
I love these videos! They're great fun! Keep them coming 🙂👍🚂
Very fascinating to see all of the various electrical equipment inside. Superb video. :)
In denmark we have the railway museum In Odense.
a railway museum named museum oestjylland which also displays trains as Randers was the factory for our beloved IC3
we danes love our home made trains just as you brits do...
Terrific stuff! Thank you!
Gorgeous train, gorgeous tunnel system.
Interesting video, with reference to the fridge in the driving cab, joking aside, no driver would have wine or be allowed to carry wine on them or they get sacked , maybe cheese though
Superb. Do you think Chris enjoys his job? 😉 And this is why in Germany when you hv Dipl Eng after your name, you are respected right up there with doctors and the like. Unlike in Britain...😑
As a Eurostar driver for 17yrs now retired you cannot change the pantographs over at 300kmh
i really need to make a trip down the railway museum ive only been once, the last time i was down i was a little lad and i remember seeing the flying scotsman in bits getting a massive overhaul. my kids have never been and my son loves trains. i think a little holiday is on the cards haha. love the videos so much information i didnt know
Thank you.
A great many people have memories of coming here when they were young, it's really nice to come back after a long time away. We're open seven days a week during the school holidays, so you might want to come along soon. :)
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cool video, and very detailed information. btw, at 13:33 im very curious what's inside the motor block. does it have some motors inside it or just some circuits?
In the motor blocs there only power modules, relays and cubicles for real time computer
The motors are fixed under the body and take a place into the bogie with the gear box
@@gauthierfrancois926 thanks for the answer!
Amazing video! Fascinating and just amazing to see the guts of such an important machine. Thank you NRM and I can’t wait to visit you soon! 🚂
1:07 also Amsterdam!!
Forgot to tell what the pedals in the cabin are for! I don't think they're for breaking, are they?
Thé pedals are for one item of the VACMA (veille automatic avec contrôle du maintien d’appui), il my memory Is OK it’s the DSD which control if the driver is not dead And and awake
@@gauthierfrancois926 ah, thanks! I think it's called a "dead man's switch"
Excellent video ! Cant beleive its so far removed from the HST and Deltic - It hasnt got the graceful, if always dirty, body either.
Love this series
Very interesting nice one 👍
7:15 Wow
hi there, great video.the insides of the loco are pure Dr Frankeinstein type set up, very interesting
Visited a couple of weeks ago and walking around it was as near as we could get so great to see inside it 😀
Amazing bit of kit. Travelled on them several times. Bit of a stretch to say they killed the airlines, mainly due to the high ticket prices, but still an amazing train. I guess the e320 Velaros are a bit simpler as they don't need 3rd rail. I wonder, did they remove the pickup shoes from the e300s/373s that are still in service? I guess they're not needed anymore.
That's a lot of different power grids both between and within each country! Certainly that must cause havoc with the electronics if the driver was not paying attention of switching to the correct grid?
I'm coming for my second time on 13 of August
I can see why it is the most complex locomotive (or one of the most complex) in the world!!!
Wow built in 95 but still looks modern
Very very interesting!
I am curious to know why is this engine decommissioned? Or is it a temporary exhibit?
It never entered service! It was built for the 'North Of London' services from British regions, which were cancelled entirely after the trains had already been built, leaving several trains surplus to requirements.
I don't understand how a TGV set like this one houses a whole power plant inside, while there are also the newer Siemens trains with distributed motors. Where's all that tech located then? Or has it been miniaturized dramatically?
Underside of coaches along length of train
Does Class 373 have a Driver's Remainder Appliance Button like the HST Class 43 or not? If so it should be located next to the Throttle Control like the HST learnt that HST DRA button from Train Sim World made by Chattam Kent Dovetail Games. The 3kv DC Belgian Pantograph is also suited for French 1.5kv DC. Speaking of the Cabinet behind the Train driver does it have the AWS TPWS UK TVM-430 KVB France Belgium TBL Memor II switches or not? That should have been said on the Driving the Eurostar section
No, it does not have TPWS, nor does it have DRA, this video kept referring it to be this being the train, it wasn't, its a single vehicle and therefore not a train, its a power vehicle, or more correctly noted as a Motrice, two motrice per train, M1 and M2, each half set had three powered bogies (six per train), two on the motrice and one on the R1/R18.
@@simongrego4231 they are fitted with tpws and aws actually, and its own form of a DRA fulfilled by the blue neutral light switch on the left of the desk.
@@nyan525 Not when they were built , TPWS was in its infancy when they were built, nor was DRA in the BR type fitting, again that was in its infancy too, AWS yes, the TPWS was fitted later, , but not technically required after HS1 and Temple mills were built as they ran off TVM430.
@@simongrego4231 maybe but they are all currently fitted with functional AWS and TPWS, even though Ashford is now fitted with KVB. The DRA isn't a red button that cuts traction, it's a switch that blocks the brake from being released, but provides more or less the same function, a reminder for the driver to check the signal/cab indication.
@@nyan525 Thats why i said when built, i havent done a 373 for some years, except ironically 3308 which is the one in York. I was a BRB Resident Engineer on 373 from 1993 until the last set was delivered, which was dispatched from Met Cam to NP without the Motrices being attached..
Are there any plans in the future to refresh the livery?
I quite like that it's the original!
I hope not! Would completely lose the originality of the locomotive. As the curator said, it is the only locomotive in the collection that has never been repainted.
Dear god no, what's the point. Ruins the originality and history of this unit.
How does this compare with the e320 loco?
Very interesting
And some of these are still running minus the shoe pick ups..
Built well in those times.
I went on the Eurostar e300 from ebbsfleet to Paris
That was a brilliant tour through the Eurostar loco thanks to the N R M for an informative item
PS All the loco tours you have given are brilliant and can hardly wait to get back to Britain to visit your fantastic museum again
It's a pity you didn't also preserve one of the matching coaches .
how are the lights on the front of the train lit up with no power to the unit ??????
must have been from NRM electricity
I took the Eurostar to Amsterdam recently. it only takes four hours.
Also didn't mention that a 373 holds the record as the fastest train in Britain, on HS1.
C an you do the class 26 or 9f
Ah. Those would be the third rail shoes that are missing from that example. Maybe the Eurostar bloke should have fetched some with him.
Guessing this one ventured off the main eurostar route from time to time then?
Wow.
Still operating except the old set of the tire or scrapped VT
What is if you choose the wrong voltage system between countries? Do you fry the engine or is there some sytem to disconnect by fault?
I know more modern trains first check the voltage they get before they actually turn on, using a voltage detection of some sort. I think getting a low voltage would be fine, but too high voltage would probably melt some relays.
I don't know if there are automated systems to protect the electronic but there definitely are voltage indicators in the cabin for the driver to check after he raised the pantograph, before closing the main circuit breaker.
I suspect the systems would automatically shut off and force you to restart them. This situation actually happened to a Dutch locomotive built at the same time as the Class 373's just last year. Pantographs were raised on German overhead lines (15000 volts instead of the 1500v it needs) and the only thing that happened was that the pantograph automatically lowered and the protection systems came on.
Edit: quick background info. This happened in the station of Bad Bentheim in Germany where the overhead lines can switch between Dutch 1500v and German 15000v. This way there is no need for modern locomotives that can switch voltages. In this case the locomotive raised its pantograph while the power lines were set on the wrong voltage.
@@treinenliefde I do think that locomotive had to be towed to the workshop to be fixed.
We're asking Chris, will let you know what he says!
Thanks, Bob and Chris, for another very informative video.
If I may, make one comment about the cab control panel and the dark compartment in the motor room. if a portable light source could be included along with the camera, would, in my opinion, enhance the experience.
If I could propose one more thing, a video focusing on some of the charismatic characters of times gone by, such as divers, firemen and other people, of note, who may have contributed by their personality and the jobs that they performed, to give a personality to the name.
I watched the gathering of the surviving A4 Top Link drivers, as they recalled their time with Bill Hoole. His book also only gives a small aspect of his life on the footplate. I thought that a fuller aspect of him would give a larger persona to a name.
Plus, I know little about the most well-known driver in the world Joe Duddington, but a look at his whole life, not just the bare bones, would give us a broader look at a person who put his life on the line, so to speak, to risk going into the unknown.
I know even less about Tommy Bray, I imagine that he would have been feeding the fire nonstop, keeping his eye on the sight glass and poking his head out of the cab to see if the injector was still working, in a blur of activity, whilst enduring a string of invective from Joe.
Tommy deserves, respectfully I think, an examination of his whole career.
I imagine that there would be a lot more unsung people, who could shine a light on the larger aspect of railway life, from a century or more ago.
Very cool! I got to see this and the Shinkansen, Mallard and other pieces of equipment during a visit a while back. It is truly a great museum. I hope they similarly preserve one of the Acela locomotives at Strasburg, PA now that we're getting a replacement for those on our side of the pond.
Do you know why they couldn't finish the eurostar?
It was due to the introduction of low cost airlines which did the routes faster and cheaper than the train
@@dubious_potat4587 Even if they could compete with the low-cost airlines I doubt it still wouldve happened. It turned out in GNER times that the 373's werent allowed to travel beyond York and Leeds due to gauging issues on the bridges near Newcastle and the power suppy on the route not being enough for these trains.
Nation railway museum where ? Is it too difficult to add the word