How different can ACRYLIC paint be ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- If you are like me, you are pretty set in your ways when it comes time to paint your models…I began my adult modelling journey using acrylics through the airbrush but soon after made the jump to using lacquer paints. As a general rule lacquers are a lot harder waring and far more forgiving to spray and seemed to give me a greater versatility with my finishing. The thought of going back to acrylics was simply not a consideration.
When I saw the launch of the new Ammo ‘ATOM’ line of paint I can’t say I gave it a lot of thought other than being a little sceptical that it was probably the same paint but in a different bottle in an attempt to generate sales, and just how different could an acrylic paint be anyway?
So, when The Modelling News asked if I’d like to review the new paint, I was hesitant but figured I’d spend some time and try it out in order to share my thoughts with you here on the channel.
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Turns out you can spray them below 22 psi when the air is warmer and more humid 🙊🙈 great video Clayton! I was impressed with them too...best experience I've had with water-based paint. But I think I'll still stick with the lacquer as they're still superior in my experience. Though, directly comparing lacquer and acrylic might not be fair as they have different aims.
Hey Evan. Thanks for joining in. I agree with you re the lacquer paints, but like I mentioned the smell of the lacquer thinner and the impact on health is always in the back of my mind…
Not sure if I’d commit to a change of paint but I’m keen to give it a try on an upcoming build.
So pleased you are part of this community 🙏💪🍺
I am actually trying to find a reason to stick with the ungodly amount of lacquers I have bought, but so far, they behave so admirable, it's getting hard. ;)
I have the humidity (~90%) and can even use them at 11 psi reliably, doing the finest lines.
What baffles me the most is the complete lack of tip-dry. I don't know what magic they used...
@@Diregecko No one likes a dry tip 😇 Its good stuff isnt it !
@@workbenchhobbies4316 😆 Ain't that the truth! Yes, it really, really is. I keep telling myself that the particles I inhale from ATOM paints with their nice clay-like smell are healthy for my lungs. ;)
@@Diregecko In the words of the great George Costanza...'its not a lie if you believe it...' Lets just say its the lesser or two evils ?
Funny enough I moved away from Taminya as I hated the screw-on lids which I struggled with throughout my teens & early 20s. When I got back into the hobby I consciously made the decision to pick a paint with a dropper bottle. I have used Ammo by Mig & Vallejo Model Air over the past 6 years & can say that I prefer Vallejo Model Air over Ammo by Mig, as I found the lack of consistency in thickness & hue in Ammo paints disappointing, something which I raised with Ammo customer care, that the exact same set of paints (AMMO - 7219 SU-35 Flanker-E Colors ) which I got in 2018 & again 2023 the hues changed so much that I could not match them to colours I already put down, in fact Vallejo Model Air Flanker light blue was a better match to the 2018 pot than 2018 of A.MIG-249 LIGHT BLUE is to the 2023 A.MIG-249 LIGHT BLUE. The paint job in the demo looks great, but I have lost faith in Ammo paints & the fact that they are way more expensive than Vallejo Model Air at the moment I'll give this one a skip.
Fair enough too. I think a lot of people have had similar experiences to you. Hopefully ammo have corrected course here. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🙏
I've been dreamin about a paint which is good for brush painting as well as creating fine lines and general coverage with airbrush. If these will do these tasks as good in my hands as in yours, well that'd be a game changer for me! I'm going to give them a try.
Hi there, yes I was certainly surprised at how versatile these paints seemed to be and I am looking forward to testing them further. Thank you for connecting 🙏
I've been using Tamiya and Vallejo acrylics, I'm excited to try one of these. I got my 15 year old son building Gundam,, now he is turning 18 and broadening his modeling horizons. Thankyou for your awesome content.
Thanks to you! You keep watching and I’ll keep making them! For the record..Vallejo and Tamiya are very different type of paints. I did a video on the different paint types. I’d encourage you to take a peek.
Great news re your son! Modelling has given me so much joy through the years. I’m sure it will for your son too 🍺🍀
Good testing- masking test, time frames (quick test time) and both brush and airbrush....
Opacity was a good test too. Well done!
Hi James, many thanks for your kind words and comment. I truly appreciate you reaching out 😎🤝
Excellent review, comprehensively tested. Thank you Sir!
Hi Peter, thank you for reaching out, much appreciated 😎
Here in the US, we have Tamiya, and Vallejo paints. Tamyia is great to thin way down with IPA and Vallejo just water. You don't want to mix the two.
oil based paints are still great for pin washes, and filters over bases. since I am not really using an air brush with those, I don't have to worry about fumes. I also like water based clean up.
Hey Dan. Thanks for sharing. I sometimes thin my Tamiya paints with ipa. That would usually be for specific things like post shading. The lacquer thinners tend to give you a more even finish for block colour because it retards the drying time and gives the paint time to settle. IPA tends to evaporate quickly.
Appreciate you sharing your experiences 🙏💪☝️
Thanks for the review! Was hoping that Ammo would do something better with acrylic paints because I've never managed to get them to work well. Making it worse, I've got multiple Ammo sell books that tell you how to use their paint, each with different instructions on pressures and mixes. I've followed that advice to the letter and still haven't had success. 15% paint to thinner in one book, which didn't work with any pressure, and was like squirting water at my models.
Like you, I really wanted acrylics to work for health reasons, but hopefully the Atom will work better. Trouble is, they only come in themed packs at £40 each, so not exactly easy to test them 😞
You’re not alone with the struggles with the early generation Mig paints. And I hear you re the different and conflicting information. Frustrating!
These are a bit of a game changer though…so if you wanted to stick with acrylics this would be the way to go. I’m sure they will eventually sell them as singles 🤷🏻 Appreciate your comments 🙏
Great review.
I gave up using the original versions for airbrushing when they came out, you almost needed change technique for differnt colours. I have, over time, with no other source of some colours available, used them to great effect however. With pressure a bit higher and watching the thinning, I have grown to like the paints a lot and they brush great if you not to adventurous.
Keen to try these alongside my laquers. Thanks for a great bit of work.
Yeah, the struggle is real…but like you said, once you get the feel for the paints they are ok…but this new range seems to take a lot of that guesswork out of the equation and make for a more user friendly experience.
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. 💪🙏
Sounds like great paint, if only retailers had it in stock.
I’m sure it’s on the way 🙌🏼✌🏼😎
Fantastic review Clayton. I’m loving that you’re answering the questions that many of us have about new products. Personally I cannot financially afford to waste money of products that might not work for me, so for that alone your reviews are super helpful. Added to that it also gives me a further opportunity to learn from the techniques that you use.
Excellent 👌🏽
Thanks mate. I’m truly grateful for the encouragement and support. So pleased to hear people are enjoying and getting value from the content.
Thanks again for joining in Martin 🙏👍🫡✅
The paints you tested seemed to work very well, and i am constantly amazed by all all the different paint products available today, i myself use a few different paints to achieve what i need, years ago i remember basically model paints consisted of Testors or Humbrol. Quality of modeling products really have come a long way and its good to see. Have a good day!
Hey Gary. It’s certainly a competitive market these days! Very confusing for a lot of people starting out too. I guess choice is a good thing though.
Thanks for connecting 🙏💪🍺
@@workbenchhobbies4316 Yes, choice is a good thing and so much to choose from!
Hope they are better than the crap paint he sells already. MIG is the only brand I have issues with.
Completely different from what I can tell…but it may be a case of once bitten for a lot of modellers. 😢
@@workbenchhobbies4316 I'll give them a try when I see them in the UK
Excellent,thanks Clayton!
Thank you for your comment 😎🙏
As a brush painter I am not-so-patiently waiting for these to hit the US market to try out. I am really intrigued by them.
Hey 👋 Hopefully they live up to your expectations. Appreciate you joining in 🙏
Thanks For The Excellent Review Sir🏆🏆🏆🏆 I'll Definitely Keep This New Line Of Paint In Mind. GB 🙏🤗 Gary.
Hi Gary, thanks and appreciate you checking in 😎
Appreciate the insight on these paints. I too have started to gravitate towards lacquers specifically for the sprayability especially for those finer details. Hearing that these paints act like lacquers but are an acrylic is extremely promising. I've heard similar things about AKs 3rd Gen acrylics but I've yet to try those either. One question I have as it is a serious issue when spraying freehand camos and shading, did you experience any tip drying during your trial? When I use ammo's standard acrylics I tend to get buildup on the end of the needle.
Hi I definitely didn't experience any dry tip. From my experience, these paints are nothing like the early generation Ammo paints, a bit of a game changer. Thank you for reaching out.
If they release aircraft colours, I’ll definitely give them a go. Excellent video Clayton, as always. Impressed at the range of workouts you put them through.
Thanks Bruce, I can see no reason why they would not expand the range given the positive results and feedback it seems to be getting on line. I guess time will tell. Thanks for reaching out 🥳
Peculiar… this makes me want to try lacquer. I’m an acrylic user… I do use enamels in some applications and oil for weathering. I use acrylic from Mission Models(amazing paint… very particular on mix ratio), AK, Tamiya, Vallejo, Mr. Color, Life color.
All work differently, have different characteristics and vary in user ease.
The comment section and video make me want to try lacquer though. I’m not biased on paint type. I mainly care about ease of use, color range, and results.
Hello there. You understand these Atom paints are acrylics though right?
But yeah…lacquer paints are pretty hard to go past. It’s just the smell that causes people issues which is why this line seemed like a good water based alternative.
Thanks for joining in the conversation 🙏🍺💪
@@workbenchhobbies4316 yea that’s why I thought it was peculiar. It’s basically an advert for acrylics but makes me want to try lacquer. Chiefly your comments, in the video and other comments in the thread.
Well…not sure about it being an advert, but if it was it’s not a very good one if it makes you want to try something different 😆😎 Thanks for sharing your thoughts 💪🙏
Good review. As a brush painter I bought a set on a fair and didn't notice too much difference in handling but it flats really nice which is a bonus I underestimated from acrylics.
Interesting. It’s good to hear a dedicated brush painter is achieving good results with them too! It’s something I didn’t test in depth.
Thanks for sharing 🙏💪☝️
What a brilliant and thorough review - thanks so much. TThese look awesome.
Thank you for your kind words, really appreciate it 🤝
Great and thorough review! I can only underline everything you said.
For me, it's the holy grail of model paints and I have already bought all sets I could get my hands on.
Only thing I would add is the fact that the dropper bottles make no mess whatsoever and work beautifully.
I tested the metallic set as well and they are nice but don't have this fine pigment of Alclad.
Other than that I will probably use them as my main paints and hope Ammo releases many more and also as individual bottles.
One more thing: they are extremely durable when applied over primer, I was nearly unable to scratch them with a fingernail after 30 minutes and even with pincers, it took much more force than I would have expected.
Cheers
Great to hear others are getting similar results to what I found. They certainly appear to be a bit of a game changer for Ammo. Thanks for connecting 🙏
thanks for taking time to do the review .
Hey my pleasure, thanks for watching 😎
No surprise that they came out with a new acrylic line. They must have felt they were falling behind with their acrylics line in the last two years against the competition: AK 3rd Gen, Army Painter Paint Fanatic, Vallejo Game Color 2nd Gen, Cuttlefish Colors etc. Main feature of most of the new lines is better coverage and more pigment.
For sure. They needed to do something because their early generation paints weren’t great. Will be interesting to see how this line sells.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🍺🙏☝️😎
Very interesting I love lacquer paints and will probably keep using them but at the same time the fumes are a cause for concern. I might just give these a try in the near future. Thanks for the demo Clayton 👍
Thanks for watching 🫡🤩🙏🍺
Loved the review! You were spot on on the thinning ratio, almost perfect even, as they released a video about it, recently. You got yourself a new subscriber! :D
Thanks mate. Appreciate your kind words. Welcome to the community 🙏🍺💪
That’s a great comprehensive review, thanks for sharing. I’m someone who focuses mostly on Horus Heresy right now with an emphasis on getting my tanks and vehicles looking realistically weathered and grounded and I’ve been super curious about these new ATOM paints. Sounds like these would be right up my alley.
Thanks for joining in! These Atom paints are good for sure, but probably only suitable for the foundation painting and shading. If you were wanting to weather your tanks I’d suggest watching some of my other build videos that use pigments and enamels. Hope that helps 💪🙏🍺
@@workbenchhobbies4316 Oh I’m already on the enamels and pigments train, no worries 😁 Will be sure to check your other videos though, it’s always good to see how everyone does their work!
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Heeey Great review & tutorial, not to mention a good use of the ARL 44 turret!
I have been saving that turret for something special. Always appreciate the opportunities you afford me 🤝🙏🙏
I appreciate the great work you do - what a circle! :-)
Good and informative video about these new colors and your impressions when using them.
Looks like something I should try out as soon as the colors are available in Germany.
Wish you a good weekend, Clayton. Greetings, Joachim
Hi Joachim. Hope you are well. Most definitely get your hands on them when you can. Have a terrific weekend and take care 😎
Hey! they do are available in the EU if you buy from their website, or maybe you mean locally?
Hi K3nsai. Many thanks for this information. I thought of one of the dealers I deal with frequently. In Germany these colors are listed at “Modellbau König” but are not yet available. So I have to wait a little bit. Best wishes, Joachim
I'm actually ok with thinning and air pressure with regards to normal acrylics, but the things I absolutely hate about them are tip dry and having to pour them through a purification cup in order to avoid nozzle blockage.
These new paints look nice, definitely worth a try.
Hey 👋 thanks for joining in. I’ve never poured acrylics through a filter…but mind you I’ve been using lacquer paints for a long time. I’m hoping these paints address the key things people complain about with acrylics. So far so good from what I can tell.
Appreciate you connecting 🙏😎💪
Great review Clayton. Thanks for explaining what qualities you were testing and how. They look like interesting paints. Sticking to Tamiya acylics at the moment as I have a lot of it (over enthusiasm🙄🤣) . May look at these Ammo Atom range when I finally get an airbrush and need to replace the Tamiya. 🖖🏼🖖🏼🖖🏼
It is hard to go past Tamiya paints for so many reasons and I share your over enthusiasm with the stock levels 😆 but these paints seem to be a good alternative for those looking for a true acrylic option. Great to hear from you again mate 😎
As long as you don't get as much tip dry & you can easily airbrush thin lines consistently is all I would ask for. That would be the main selling points to win me over.
Yeah, it seems to be a common complaint with their first generation paints. I haven’t had any issues with this line so far. Used them on my latest build and will use them on my Takom Tiger too. I’ve been very impressed so far.
The bundle style of (at least the initial release) the new paint line makes it great for me, who is restarting his whole paint collection!
Hey. Thanks for joining the conversation. I do like the concept of the ‘packs’, but I hope they release them as individual bottles…because buying a full pack when you need one colour would really blow the budget!
Hope you are enjoying the channel 🙏💪🍺
@@workbenchhobbies4316 I agree, hopefully they will release individual bottles, because I don't expect to use washable white as much as Dunkelgelb, so I won't be needing many duplicates!
Maybe that’s their marketing strategy 😅 Thanks again for your comments 🎉
For me the mig paints work beautifully straight out of the bottle, no thinning needed. I've won a silver model in a contest here in Belgium for my bergepanther that was painted with mig paints. Also a bonus: they don't smell! 😆
If you are getting the results, then you are obviously doing something right, so congratulations to you for your silver! Thank you for reaching out 🥳
@@workbenchhobbies4316 Keep those video's coming Clayton. Remember, it's the greatest hobby in the world haha. Love that line
I am pleased people are embracing that #greatesthobbyintheworld Be proud of what you do 👍🏻
Great video, really showcased that Company well. Like you said we are kinda set in our ways. I will continue with my acrylics from Tamiya and AK. My airbrush and thinning are at their peak right now.. lol learning how to use lacquers correctly I may try it at a later stage.
Hi, learning to thin your paint correctly, no matter what the type of paint, is one of the most important skills you can learn in this hobby. Thank you for reaching out to me 🥳🙏
another great review. i always look forward to your videos. question for you what episode where you on “On the bench”
Hey Rod, thank you for reaching out. Appreciate your kind words. I was on OTB Ep 169 and Ep 151 and Ep 175. Enjoy 🥳
I still spray a lacquer based Primer as having a good solid base coat that sticks to the model is important to me - I generally don't wash parts. I will say, I stick to Acrylic paints so that i don't have to breath in the vapor of lacquer more than I have to. When I was a kid we always used Enamel Testors paints, and I still use it sometimes because the Testors Enamel metallics still look better, cover better and have the smallest partical density of any of the other metallics I've seen. But overall, I use Acrylic to save my lungs and my health.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts…and 100% I’d recommend using a primer when painting with acrylics. Always best practice. Think I’ll follow your lead and give the lungs a break for a while. 🙏🍀
Any tip drying on the needle? I stopped using acrylics for this reason, sick of having to wipe the needle tip every couple of minutes, no matter what thinning ratio. Lacquer just works. I'd like to have given them a go yesterday, near 40 degrees celsius, 80+ percent humidity lol.
Hi Grant, there is no doubt lacquer paint is more forgiving than acrylics however I find most spraying issues are derived from either not thinning the paint enough or trying to spray it at too high a pressure. Ha ha re the weather yesterday 😉
Awesome review!! 🎉
Thank you and thank you for reaching out
Fantastic video. I might just give them a try now I’ve seen you use them.
Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed it. 🙏💪
Maybe I will try them out. I am a big fan of the AK Lacquers.
Just be mindful it is an acrylic paint and not a lacquer. It was surprisingly good with little to no smell! Thank you for joining in 🥳
Great video.
Have you tried to apply some decal setting solution on top of it ?
Great question. And no, I have not…but I know @panzermeister36 did in his review without issue. Check out his video and you’ll get the info you need 🙏💡🍀
Wow! Color me impressed. Thanks for sharing this! :D
Thank you for your nice comment. Appreciated very much 🤝
Hi Clayton, like you I don’t like to mess around with lacquers. I’ve been using MM paints since I started modeling and they have provided me with superior results. I even employ the same blending techniques like you with them. The issue I have is with their MM primers. I haven’t googled it yet, but do they make primers too? The other part of the test might be what’s the shelf life? Of course, only time will tell on that. Thanks again for the review and excellent content!
Hello. Thanks for connecting. I pretty much use lacquers all the time, but like I said I’m conscious of the smell and the impact that may have. I could never get MM paints to work properly, but glad to hear you are having success with them. Primer? Not sure sorry.
Appreciate you joining in 🙏🍀
Great video!!! Thanks
Hi and thank you for joining in along for the ride 🥳
Great review Clayton! I was impressed with lacquer paints when I tried them recently, and I loved them. However, after giving them a fair trial, I have found that I cannot handle the odour these paints produce, and went back to acrylic paints. These Ammo by Mig paints look like they may fill the space the lacquer paints have left on my shelf. I will definitely be trying these out, as I need all the help I can get with my painting. Are they available here yet? if so, I am off to the hobby shop tomorrow, and then I will release my ‘mule’ from the shelf of shame to give them a try. Cheers for now mate, and Happy Australia Day!
Hey Gary. Not sure if they are available yet. If not I can’t imagine they’d be too far off. I was genuinely surprised at how easy they were to work with. I’m sure you’ll enjoy them.
Thanks again for your support and thanks re Australia Day 🇦🇺
Mate, As always great work! Jon'o
Hey buddy! Great to see you here. I was thinking of you while testing these. Completely different experience to the one you were having a few months ago!! Thanks for joining in 🙏💪🍺
I'm curious, is this paint similar to Tamiya/Aqueous? How it's responding to MLT and X20A makes me think it might be the same stuff. Have had a great time spraying Tamiya w/ MLT compared to true water-based like Vallejo. Bandai has been pushing Aqueous over Lacquer for the past several years but I've been using MLT which puts the toxicity back up to lacquer levels. If Atom's the same stuff I'll try regular acrylic thinner.
Hey there. Definitely not the same as Tamiya but it seems to be quite versatile (like Tamiya is). Can you thin it with x20a?…I’m not sure. It wouldn’t surprise me if you could, but you’d have to try it. I’d recommend you use the ammo thinner. Don’t believe the atom paints will mix properly with Tamiya either. Hope that helps
Very good review, I have to try it! The 3G colors don't work for me at all! they always dry and get clogged in the airbrush. Do you have a tip?
Hi. Thanks for your thoughts. When you say 3G you are talking about the AK acrylics right? I’ve never tried to spray them. Beautiful to brush paint either though. 💪☝️
Hi, thanks for the review. Do you know where I can buy them in Melbourne, Aust?
Hi, I would suggest anywhere that carries the Mig range of paints ie BNA and maybe Metro, but be mindful it is a new line and they may not yet have stock. Tell them you saw the WBH review and were keen to try them out 🙏
Really cool.🖌
Hi thank you for connecting 🙏
they can be thinned with laquer thinner and x20a also.
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Thanks for sharing
Thank you for joining in 🥳
Hi, what about needle tip paint drying, that is a nightmare with traditional Ammo acrylics (yellow cap bottles)?
Hi, yes alot of people struggled to spray those paints effectively but I can guarantee you, this new line seems to be completely different from my initial tests of them. Thank you for joining in 🙏
What type of lacquer do you guys recommend? Only lacquer I’m familiar with is the Tamiya LP line of paints. I’m an acrylic user, I’d like to try the lacquer painting side.
Just start using the xf range of Tamiya acrylic lacquers and thin them using Tamiya retarder thinner (yellow cap). Can’t go wrong. Mix perfectly with ak real colours and any other lacquer for that matter 💪🍺
@@workbenchhobbies4316 AK real color is considered a lacquer? I didn’t realize that. I use AK a fair bit. Their color selection can’t be beat… Mission Models comes very close… but can be a pain to use. Their mix ratio MUST be followed precisely. Although when you do, best paint I’ve ever sprayed and worked with…. But when you don’t… worst paint I’ve ever “sprayed” and worked with.
Maybe check some of my older videos, I did a video on paint types. I tried very hard to use Mission Model paints for a long time but could never get a decent result with them. AK have an acrylic line but the Real Colour range is an acrylic lacquer just like the Tamiya XF paints so they are kind of a hybrid style of paint and not actually a true lacquer. However, thinning them with a lacquer thinner will drag them more to being like a true lacquer.
@@workbenchhobbies4316 I lucked out with MMP. First time I used it, it sprayed phenomenally. Second time was atrocious. I didn’t follow their mix guidelines for either. The second time it gummed up my brush so bad I had to do a complete tear down and deep clean 3 times to finally get it all. Little bits just got stuck everywhere, had to soak it in Tamiya brush cleaner to dissolve it all from the hidden areas. After that I got their additives and thinner. Since then I only use their exact ratio. Some colors are better then others but overall great paint. Just very temperamental. The additives also have a short shelf life so if they go bad, you’ll get a bad result. Not sure if it’s worth it but I like them.
I just found you with this video. I will certainly be going through your older videos.
Painting really shouldn't be that difficult but yeah your story is a common one thats for sure. Thanks for joining in I truly appreciate it 🤝
Australia Day review.
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These paints are amazing,and Thanks for the in depth video on them.I am for sure considering picking them up,and just a question,I would Like to do a Q&A,so could you ask me some question for my vid now?
Hey 👋 Thanks for joining in. What do you mean with the Q&A? You want me to ask you questions?🤔
Yeh,I want some questions to answer for myself in a vid of mine,so yeh!
Okay, question number 1 - What is your favourite paint and why? Question number 2 - What is your favourite thing about the hobby?
Thanks for the questions,I will answer them for sure in my vid,and I have some pretty interesting answers! ;)
right on they look good but im still not yet sold on them, tell i have to try them myself but good video like always keep them coming buddy
Just to be clear, I am not looking to sell any of them, it was just a test I did and I was pleasantly surprised at how well they sprayed. But like with anything, different paints will suit some modellers better than others. Thank you for connecting 🙏
Yes I understand you dnt sell products new paints are always hit n miss these days but cnt wait to try them n see for myself mybe a new paint line for me
Sorry for late reply, I will be looking to use these on an upcoming build so that should give me a better indication on how I feel about them.
I'm awful. I thin Tamiya acrylics with lacquer thinner with good results-BUT what if I need MiG colors??? I prime with Mr. Surfacer 1000 or 1500 from an airbrush depending on the kit. I hate the pressure/spray qualities of "rattle cans". I may give these a test as they look good in your demo. I'm also a model railroader and cut my teeth on Floquil as it works GREAT on "N-Scale" (1/160th).
Nothing awful with thinning Tamiya paints with a lacquer thinner! I do that mostly for my own models but like I said in the video, I am conscious of the smell! I was genuinely surprised at how well these acrylics performed with just about no detectable smell! Great to see a railroad modeller joining in, thank you 🤝🥳
Great review thanks for sharing! ✌Canada✌
Hi James, thank you for joining in and glad you enjoyed the review 😎
I might give ammo a second chance. I gave up on them.
Any thoughts on their “cobra” line of paint? Lol, and I just recently figured out the Vallejo model air paint.
You wouldn’t be the only one to give up on them! This range seems to be completely different though. Cobra paints…I haven’t seen or tried so I can’t say. Thanks for connecting 🙏☝️🍺
Do they smell like the original AMMO acrylics?? the bottle design was used by Badger on their Model Flex line a while ago but they were quite watery
Hi. There are a few manufacturers using a similar bottle for sure. Re the smell..I know what you mean with those first generation paints. They have a ‘latex or rubbery type smell. The Atom paint have a slight hint of that smell but nothing like the old ones.
Thanks for joining in. Great question 👍☝️🍺
@@workbenchhobbies4316 You can always tell where the Ammo paint rack is by that distinctive smell..lol
😂 true
Did you have any problems with dry tip or fine lines? I just bought a set myself and trying to spray the fine green lines on my Kursk Ferdinand in 1/72 brought many spiders. After dialing down the pressure down as much as possible I then had horrible dry tip issues.
With a 0.2 needle and 18psi i needed minimum 50% thinner
Hm, same here as well with Ammo yellow cap paints: 0.8 down to 0.5 bar (12...8 psi), dry tip every 15...20s. So such a paint job can be done, but is not really fun, and I go through a ton of cleaning tips. So I am really curious about this new ATOM paints, certainly going to try them once they become available.
@@user-vt6en8fw4z this was my experience with the new Atom paints
@@jamessteale805 How many thinner did you use?
Not at all. I was genuinely surprised how forgiving and useable the paint was. Try again using the ratios and pressure I’ve suggested. Let me know how you go 👌🏼
Idk if this has said before but you look like Hank Schrader
😆😆 you’re the second person 😆 I get Brad Pitt from time to time too 😉
Ammo acrylics colours don't use to be necessary diluted with Thinner (it's a current argument from Mig Jiménez) , don't you think so?
Hey 👋. I haven’t heard of any arguments and when I received the review sample I was given no direction as to how to use the paint. I found thinning worked best for me…but if the guy who makes the paint doesn’t want you to thin it I wouldn’t want to argue with him.
I’ve got an upcoming build using theses Atom colours …so stay tuned for the results.
Appreciate your comments 🙏💪☝️
@@workbenchhobbies4316 many thanks for your feedback
@@openidiomes Hopefully it was helpful and hasn't caused more confusion ? 😉
all ok, anyway you always have the option to blend with some thinner...and avoid stuff problem in airbrush. Now I use Vallejo, top quality covering and no problem with stuff :-) @@workbenchhobbies4316
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Thanks for the review, especially covering different aspects of painting, especially the close up free hand camo painting. But a paint:thinner ratio of 1:2 (or as you said 65:35% thinner:paint at 10:20 into the video) ? Ammo promotes these colors as "do not need to be thinned" and such a high thinning ratio (more thinner than paint ?) for acrylic paint is really surprising to me. Are you sure ? ;-)
Thanks for your question and yeah, I’m sure. Most people don’t thin their paint enough. I’m not sure re ammo saying not to thin it…hadnt heard that. With thinning paint there really is no golden rule because there are so many variables (eg environment, airbrush, effect you are creating, different colours have different pigment content which effects it too) Hope that helps. 🍀🙏
@@workbenchhobbies4316 Re "no thinning required" I'think I saw that in a video from MBK where he interviewed Mig Jimenez himself at an exhibition in Holland, some weeks ago (th-cam.com/video/gWGdREvRsr8/w-d-xo.html).
I am just surprised, because "more thinner than paint"-mixtures seemed to be the domain of lacquer paints to me.
@@workbenchhobbies4316 I just noticed that you did not add or mention any "flow improver" or "retarder" additions ? Not needed ? I am using the same Mig 2000 thinner, but adding the Vallejo "flow improver". I am not absolutely certain if its really needed, but as the whole paint/thinner/retarder mixture is still a bit of a mistery game to me, I start to stick to methods I *believe* do work better ;-)
I have never used a flow improver or a retarder. You are right in thinking those thinning ratios were exclusive to lacquer paints which is why it was a great surprise to me to find out the working range of this new Atom line. It is more like thinning lacquers than acrylics, which came as a surprise.
@@workbenchhobbies4316 Thanks for the clarification. I am very new to airbrushing acrylics, "use retarder" or "use flow improver" is within the top 3 tips to successfully do it, as it seems.
Great review...also great..now i will end up buying more paint that I do not need. lol
You are certainly not alone there my friend 😉 thank you for connecting 🤝
@@workbenchhobbies4316 I bought all 7 sets...::: sigh :::
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Having too many paints isn’t a problem, just go buy more kits.
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Nothing new here... Mission Models Paint offer these pure acrylic paints since 5 years more or less.
Well…I certainly never suggested there was anything new about acrylic paints..If you are getting the results you were hoping for using MM paints then that’s awesome 🙌🏼
Thanks for your comments 🙏
Another attempt at colored water hu
Well…let’s be fair…it’s a pretty good attempt this time. Thanks for joining in 😁🫡
@@workbenchhobbies4316 hmmmmm ok i will give a bottle of it a try
😆 that was easy 😎 All I’m doing is sharing how they worked for me. I’m in not way connected to the brand. You use what you are happy with. At the end of the day, it is just another acrylic paint, but a pretty good one from what I can tell 💪🍺