Completely Rebuilding My Old Table Saw - Part 1: The Base
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- Why buy a new table saw when you can spend weeks revamping an old one? Because that's the smart thing to do, but it's less fun that way.
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"I have a treadmill, but that's not the kind of dust collector I'm talking about..." That got me good. Dyin' over here!
I came here to ensure this was said. Good show.
... mine is a 20-year-old Total Gym.
Love the sense of humor on this channel. The mighty mite's chicken got me.
My wife woke up and said, “What the hell are you laughing at?” (I watch on my iPad with earbuds before I go to sleep…)
@Brian Eaves I heard him say that, but I didn't catch the meaning of it until your comment. Very funny!!!
Finally a TH-cam wood worker who gets me. I did a very similar thing to an older version of that same saw and when asked why, my answer is always "because it was more fun than a new one". Great video. Love the edit as well
Ticking all my "good youtube" boxes!
- needlessly/elegantly complicated fixing of things
- no background music
- a very personable host
Thanks (:
Damn, I could not said it any better! Thanks YOU!
LLAP
- comfortable voice pitch, clear pronunciation, speaking at a nice pace, no unidentifiable accent and no ending every sentence like it's a question.
You forgot a good sense of humor.
This is guy is a true craftsman. I've been a carpenter/welder/blacksmith for 17 years now (on and off for each trade as the money came and went), and this is the kind of stuff I do. It's good to know there are others out there that make the effort to breath new life into old tools.
The trades shouldn't be price restrictive, and you really give inspiration to those who would want to get into it. Most of my shop is a collection of old tools I've scored from yard sales that I still use.
20:20 "I'll be calling myself a craftsman, collecting pull saws and hand planes...Who knows where it'll end?" I know this is a joke, but I really like that you're a humble (yet effective) woodworker. So many videos on YT with shops costing $5000+ decked out with this kind of stuff, or on the other end, top of the line Festool/Bosch/etc power tools. You use Ryobi. That's the investment level I'm at in my journey too, and I love seeing someone make it work at with those.
i don't know, my father is a carpenter and he doesn't have half the tools this guy has just lying around.
then again my father also has a 4000DM table saw that has not been moved since it was delivered because it's so darn heavy.
Windhelm Guard, curious about that saw you mention. Thinking that 4000DM was a model number, and that you were one of those who use only model numbers of things to demonstrate your mastery of the subject, I Googled and what returned were images of an Altendorf sliding table saw that cost 4000 Deutsche Marks in the 1950’s. Can you tell a little more about your dad’s saw, please? Danke.
Utility grade plywood. No pocket holes. Entry level gear. This channel is really a breath of fresh air. Reminds me that I don't NEED to build my shop out using only the finest 5x5 sheets of 3/4" baltic birch plywood.
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i honestly don't know, all i know is that he bought the thing during the late nineties or really early 2000s, since we were still using DM when we got the thing.
Windhelm Guard, thanks. I hope that generations more get some use from it!
This video is the ONLY quality video I've seen in helping rebuild one of these classic saws. With the cast iron table, these are easily converted to be capable of performing as well as cabinet saws that cost thousands of dollars.
THANK YOU for making this video! It introduced me to your woodworking channel, and then led me to Aging Wheels- keep up the great work!
as a retired, home self-taught (youtube) designer, fabricator, fixer and builder of broken (and under-designed) things (tools, old cars, old motorcycles, lawn mowers, pressure washers, dryers, washing machines, whatever in the house that breaks or starts making weird noises, etc), this is a fun program, and is RIGHT up my alley. I think we should drink beer some time. Plus, I have one of those saws I've had for 30 years or so, with all the "issues" you described.
"Modifying this one is more fun."
Boy, has that sentence gotten me into some predicaments!
I love how meta it is to build a table saw with the table saw that you are in the process of building.
spugintrntl there’s bound to be a quantum equation which makes it possible!
It's like 3D printing a new 3D printer
@@71jmead "The RepRap project started in England in 2005 as a University of Bath initiative to develop a low-cost 3D printer that can print most of its own components"
I have often found that I need the tool or machine to work on the tool or machine. It's almost spooky how often it happens.
You hone your skills and learn how to make mistakes on the cheap shit first till you wear it out then you build your dream saw with your own saw. That alone cant be bought in any store for any price. Aint that what all this is about anyway. I think we all need it
Some manufactures actually put a very small taper on the trunnions, which means they are not really interchangable. My guess, since yours was missing other parts, is someone reassembled with them swapped. Good job over all, always a good time watching you build.
28 minutes and I enjoyed every second of it. You down-to-earth craftsmanship is refreshing, thank you.
That treadmill line was pure, subtle, genius.
Robert, I'd die for a collab between you and Adam Savage. Your sense of humor and his always have me in stitches! Keep making!
The treadmill dust collector bit was spot on. 🤣
You sir, are a YT gem, and it is a crying shame you don't have 2 million followers given some of the other less than spectacular channels out there. Lovin' it.
“I do have a treadmill, but that’s not the dust collecting I’m looking for”
I feel this on so many levels
Classic Robert maneuver to fix it instead of getting a new one or a better one ect.
Robert is good, be like Robert.
Third channel: "Aging power tools"
While I am all for repair and upgrades. The lack of a riving knife for this table saw really make me feel it is better to buy a newer one. also, with wood prices now, I think he spent the same amount of money
@@Rasaiel Indeed. In this very video we watched kickback occur. Thankfully nothing happened.
I inherited the same table saw with the exact same problems from my late grandfather. Super important to me to continue to use his old tools, so this video is AMAZING. Thank you. My wife wont be too happy with our weekend plans for the next few weeks while I follow what you did here. But in all seriousness thank you for this.
So we are having a ice storm in Oklahoma and im unable to work, so here i sit watching youtube, i came across this channel, by far my favorite woodworking channel. 👍
Some of those cuts were a little scary. Next thing on the to-do list: A crosscut sled. Also some pushsticks.
right I felt like he was going to cut his hand everytime he made a cut
Agreed. I do not always have the best technique, but on some of those I thought, " that's way too close "
The project inspired some ideas for me. I have 2 old Craftsman 113's, no riving knives or splitters, no dust control and the same issue with the tilt mechanism. I am trying to make one semi-safe one
@@TRAVISTHEDADDY I'm currently rebuilding a 113 saw. Enclosing the cradle as much as possible to direct the dust down and into a chute hooked up to a shop vac dust collector instead of trying to enclose the whole thing. Upgrading to a 1 1/2 hp motor, pals, link belt, Delta t3 fence. Shark guard makes splitters for this saw and makes the bracket to hold the splitter if you need that.
I don't care who you are, THAT's an entertaining woodworking video. I'm saving part 2 for tonight, when my wife gets home and wants to watch something British.
I bought a non-functioning 9" table saw a few years back. I got it working by repairing the start capacitor. Recently that capacitor failed again, so I did the right thing and replaced the capacitor with a larger one from a washing machine, then machined the base to accept a 10" blade. Works awesome now.
This video is inspiring me to make a few more modifications, including a shop-vac friendly dust collector. Can't wait for part two. (But I will.)
Do you by chance watch Vice Grip Garage? lol
You are a bright spot in these troubling times!
Nice to see a you tuber that doesn’t have a $4000 table saw.... and I find you insanely entertaining!
Well “Dunn” Robert!
I love all your videos. I already consider you a skilled craftsman, as well as an excellent video producer, editor, narrator, comedian. Thanks for sharing your work with us!
It's getting kinda rare to find a small youtuber with videos that don't completley annoy me in the first 30 seconds, well done.
I would never do something like this (I like to tell myself, why do it when you can buy new, but it's mostly because...well, I am not good enough, so...yeah...), but it is an absolute pleasure to listen (and watch) your immaculate self-deprecation. True craftsmanship together with humbleness, THAT is art!
Modifying that saw is worth more then buying a new one with its full cast iron build quality. Smart man!
Came for the information. Stayed for the personality. As someone just getting into woodworking, I am starting with a lot of used tools. The table saw was one of them. I love the ingenuity you have with this. Was looking for fence upgrade options when I found this video, but I'm so glad I stayed for this part one episode as it has given me ideas far beyond what I was even thinking about. Thank you for the great content. Liked and subscribed.
Nice on the fly engineering. Well done improving the Craftsman.
Your dry humour is brilliant.
I appreciate your old-school style - right down to dodging the kickback. I can see that you really did enjoy rebuilding this beast vs buying a new one. Great job bud.
Normally I don’t like TH-camrs with a “personality” but you actually made me chuckle a few times
That was VERY entertaining!!! I am in my 70's so I just buy it if the project takes more than 3 days. I tip my hat to you young man. Job well done!!
Soon. Very soon. I will do something like this to my old craftsman. I can't wait for part 2!
I just bought a Craftsman Contractor saw with a router extension wing and remembered your video. I'm definitely going to be referencing your experiences with your saw when deciding how to tackle mine.
i love your excitement for the dust collector
Respect your choice of direction...nicely done
On to part 2
One suggestion is that while you are working on the trunnions, it is the *perfect* time to align it with the miter slots, thereby squaring the blade. One the things I *hate* about contractor saws is doing this job with saw right side up. To do this, suspend the saw between two tables, mount a blade and use a dial caliper to measure off the same tooth ahead of and behind the blade. When equal, the saw is perfectly aligned. For even better precision, measure the accuracy of the blade tilt at 45 degrees and at 90 and, if necessary, shim under one or more of the trunnions to get it spot on.
So cool! New life given to an old machine!
I loved your reaction when you caught the edge of the blade with that piece of wood trying to knock the other piece off.
Gosh Robert, I need to do the same thing with an old saw and
I think you have done all the heavy lifting and proof of concept for me.
Now I just need to get to work.
Thanks.
I chucked the motor on my old Delta Contractor saw...I put a 15 amp Leeson 1 horse on it . It is massive. Never bogs down
"call myself a craftsman", well no chance of that. wait, WAIT, 2 side by side miter saws? I stand in awe, anyone that can 2 hand a cut on a miter saw station is worthy of any Norm moniker, Craftsman! Good job bro.
I found your video while I was in the midst of my own 1973 craftsman tablesaw teardown. I bought some pulleys and PALS from In-Line Industries and I'm liking them a lot. To fix my tilt and height adjusters, I took a steel brush and went to town on every single acme threaded rod. That shined them right up and got rid of 50 years of gunk stuck to them. They now spin like a freaking dream. I got rid of the chintzy crank handles and made my own out of some 1in thick oak. For the set screw I used a countersunk bolt, and for the crank handle a piece of purpleheart because it's pretty.
We have the exact same lathe. Rock on.
Bought a double cast iron wing Craftsman 113 yesterday....aaannd it fell off the back of the trailer managing to flip completely before landing upside down. All the cast iron and fence rails survived but the inertia of the motor and mounts permanently racked the sheet metal case. After looking for about 4 hours it seems that you have the ONLY video on the internets describing how to build a housing - thank you very much!
Your production is very watchable, and while you're a notch below Ryan Reynolds your delivery is terrific. ...and I laughed out (really) loud at the treadmill thing like Mr. Eaves did.
“Why don’t you just get a new table saw?”
“Well, modifying this one is more fun!”
I felt that in my soul.
Sub’d.
"modifying this one is more fun." That's the best reason ever. +1 sub
brother from another mother! its nice to see like minded diy McGyver hybrid guy / make it work for the sake of my entertainment... guy. i went thru 3 of that style and age table saws and finally spent the money on the ridgid R4520 hybrid. made everything in my shop seem to flow except my dust problem. great video, respect on the editing.
Very inspiring. The motor bearings froze on my old cheap Craftsman table saw, about 2 years ago, that I bought new about 20 years ago. I replaced the bearings and it was good as new for about 2 months. And then the plastic base that holds it all together broke in several places. I duct taped it together for another two months. While flipping it over for another repair I accidentally dropped it from a height of approximately 1/2 inch. That's when the plastic housing shattered like glass into about 500 pieces. I don't have enough duct tape to fix it. I needed a table saw right away, so I bought a contractor style Rigid table saw. I saved the remains of my Craftsman. I think I can use some of your ideas to build a new cabinet for it. And while I'm at it, I'll make a new top for it that can accept a proper 3/4" wide miter gauge and a decent rip fence and rail, and build in removable outfeed table and side extensions, and casters, and storage compartments for accessories and...etc...
I've been agonizing over how to fix my old 113 series, this has given me a big shot in the arm of ideas, thanks :D
Check online; assuming Sears or some hunk of it is still a going concern you may well be able to get replacement parts if you need any. It's been a few years since I rehab'ed my 113, but I was able to get nearly everything I needed up to and including cast iron extension wings from sears.
Another really good upgrade you can do is pick up some 6" cast-iron handwheels from Grizzly to replace those wussy little 4" plastic wheels on the blade lift and tilt adjustments. You'll have to drill and tap for some setscrews but it's more than worth the effort. Made a huge difference in how the saw "feels" to adjust.
Brilliant!
If you're ever in my neck o the wood, I'll let you make over my old Craftsman saw!
Is it me or was this a really well done video?
11:37 - You're holding your bandsaw together with bungee cords?!?!?!? - Subscribed!
Great video. this is the kind of classic content youtube needs more of.
This video could alse be titled "Man directs table saw to rebuild itself"
Very entertaining to watch that was 🙂
Great work, with a good sense of humor. Keep up the great work
I would have stayed because I plan to improve my old craftsman table saw, but I'm subscribing because you're animated and funny. Looking forward to more.
Oh man, you are funny! Very skilled and knowledgeable, but the right amount of humour too, love it 👍👍
Man, that's a great build! Exactly what I'm up to! I've bought a table saw with a sucking fence and poor extension wings and I wanna build it similar to yours. All my friends and family think I'm freaking crazy not buying a new one. Now I'm not alone anymore! Had to subscribe immediately, greetings from Germany! Keep the videos coming.... Cool stuff!
Good for you, I rebuild a 1956 Craftsman table saw. New bears in the arbor, doubled the belt on the motor. Then I added a quartz 27”x30” extension to the right and a new fence. Runs like a Dream 😁
I worked for the SCDOT for 34 years. 25 of those years I had this exact table saw. I used it in my carpenter shop and I cut any and everything under the sun. I had a 1HP motor on the back and when I retired, that saw was still working just fine. I think the saw you have here was just not taking care of. Still a great saw.
Super inspiring, and lots of fun. Phhht, who need to watch Mathias Wendal?
You seriously need your own show. This is better than This Old House.
Nice build and I enjoyed your humor!
Love your sense of humor.
I really enjoyed this video. I liked how you enclosed the motor completely for the dust collection.
I have been making do with a mallet all these years, but I guess it's time for me to get a whacky stick.
When I finally replaced the stamped steel base of my Craftsman table saw with my homemade cabinet, a friend who used my saw thought I'd replaced the blade. It was still the same old crappy combination blade, but the cabinet was so much more rigid it eliminated the vibration and made it cut almost like a $70 Freud blade. That's one of the best reasons to build your own cabinet for it.
I found your main channel not too long ago and now I've found this one. I just wanted to take the time to say how much I enjoy your videos. I love that you're videos are informative and you aren't afraid to be goofy. I'm looking forward to working my way through all of your videos. Keep it up, sir!
Glad I found your channel, and this video in particular. Someone gave me an old table saw with no base, no riving knife, and a super sketchy fence. I was about to spring for an entire new saw, but now I can't wait to (at least try) breaking down and rebuilding the one I have. Also can't wait to watch part 2.
I have a very similar saw. Thank you for the enthusiastic tear down and rebuild! I may use these tips to improve mine. Hoping for a riving knife!
Great video! I needed this for inspiration. I have the same saw and have been trying to figure out a good way to add the dust collection system. As a bonus I’ve now been inspired buy your upgrades to make my saw more efficient!
👍🏻Your personality is infectious. Super great job in explaining all it took to be taken on your journey to refurbish the table saw. While I only need to extend my table, came away with the insight on how to accomplish it. I’ll see what follows to decide on subscribing.
So happy I found your channel! I also bought an old 315 Craftsman from an older gentleman off craigslist about a year ago and have been wanting to overhaul it! Thanks!
This is my first time on your channel. I recently was given one of these table saws. I have a lathe and only learned how to deal with round things. Now I need to learn about updating and using my saw. You look as excited as I do with new tools, but you know how to use them.
I stumbled upon your channel as one does on TH-cam and love your channel. You’re the chaotic good of TH-cam DIY’ers. I wish you and your fingers well.
Less than ten minutes into this video and you had a new subscriber. I am contemplating the same project with a Porter Cable jobsite saw that they don't even make anymore. But more than that, your pace, volume, sense of humor, detail, and camerawork are topnotch and I am your newest fan. Thanks for the video!
The guts of all the older Craftsman table saws are the same (table, trunnion, tilt/height adjusters and motor mount). My 1968/69 vintage 113 saw I inherited from my dad is now up and running almost like it was new, except for a few scratches. He made and I rebuilt a full base for it, making it almost a cabinet saw... the original steel box remains inside the plywood box and provides the main support (as it did originally).
The entire thing must weigh about 400-500 lbs. with the extra cast wings, Delta T4 fence system and cast iron router table wing. I can do 36.5" of rip to the right and 12" to the left. Plenty of capacity. Love it, even if it has no real splitter or blade guard now (removed the originals to add the new fence, but I'll add a MicroJig MJ Splitter to help).
Excellent, yes. Now use this tablesaw to make yourself another table saw. Centralized dust collection? I love that idea. It's like having a central vacuum system in your house - A feature I wish to see more of. Definitely do this.
Also, missed opportunity for "Part 1: The Base-ics" or some pun based on that.
That'd be like my buddy who bought a 3d printer to 3d print the part he needed to repair the 3d printer he already had that was broken. :D
@@mrz80 i buy a fully working car to fix my flood car
Great video! Really looking forward to how you build the new fence.
You're my favorite youtube creator, thank you for uploading this tonight. The world is so dark right now, this was a welcome little campfire to rest by
As soon as you said "we don't really need that screw" after breaking it. I hit the subscribe button. Finally someone being a normal person on TH-cam. Other channels would have spent hours fixing a broken fastener. Knowing if they were alone with no camera, they would let it slide just like you did. Thanks so much for being yourself and showing us a normal persons adventure into DIY projects.
I enjoyed this very much and excellent work as you are very talented. Maybe in the future a complete blade to table alignment would be helpful.
I bought this same saw on craigslist. It would not tilt. Fortunately I have a portable tablesaw and I do any angle cuts which I don't do that much. For $200 it had a rockler router table on one side and a rockler assembly table on the other side. The fence is a bessemer that goes up to 44 inches. I have so far put two drops or so of sewing machine oil in the motor when it got sluggish. I made an outfeed table to cut longer pieces of wood. It serves as an assembly table also. I recently moved it to a different spot in my shop and if I would have seen your video I would have jacked with the mechanism. I like your thinking and delivery style.
You could replace the long bolt in the motor with some all thread, if you have not already.
I also think this would be a good idea.
Yes
Also, Any shop that works on small electric motors will have a box of old ones sitting around they would most likely give you for free🤙🏻
Some of them are reverse threaded. It's hard to find a reverse threaded all all-thread
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Very nice. I have the same saw and it works good. These upgrades are definitly something to think about. Great job. Thanks for sharing.
this is the third time I am watching this video. I like your humor. Thanks
Maybe you could get some valve lapping paste for the trunnion that's sticking. Although it seems like you got it really close to perfect anyways. I love the build, by the way.
I thought the same thing with trunnions using lapping paste but it appears the sticking has gone away after bolting up tight. Either it took a flex (or whatever) out or put one in.
Good outcome though.
I frigging LOVE valve lapping compound....fixes EEEEVERYTHING!
I got the same craftsman cast iron table saw and I basically rebuilt everything. New arbor, bearings, motor, twist-lock belt, Biesemeyer fence system and a custom table top surround to allow me to cut 4' by 8' sheet goods. I had to weld up a 1" square tubing frame for the surround table top extension and then laminate white veneer on the MDF wood structure to allow that extra capability. But it is very nice to have such a nice precision saw now. The Biesemeyer fence makes all the difference...
I just wanted to say I very much enjoyed your video and I'm looking forward to part 2. I think you did a great job and why not improve tools you already own. Most people ask"why not just buy new" but with a little saw dust and imagination you now have a saw that works awesome and will last a long time. Well done!!
I admire your loyalty to that well used tool. Giving it a revamp and longevity is a kind act. Pushing the guts to its limit is a testament to your ingenuity plus the saw's potential. Haven't seen part 2 but hope it performs as well as it's designed. I refurbish/enhance my old tools but too often the results fall short of expectation.
Just want to comment, my Beaver/Rockwell saw is very similar. The trunnions were a thin die cast. Managed to find an older scrap machine for parts and glad to say the older trunnions were thick heavy cast iron and fit perfectly. So salvaging parts can pay off.
What bothers me is the blade alignment is affected by the motor and belt pulling on the arbor. The alignment is .002" without tension but sky rockets to .015" with tension. As the blade is lowered, the alignment measured along the center of the arbor also changes maybe .020". Woodgears video (th-cam.com/video/Y0N3oWrPwwE/w-d-xo.html) has ideas to reduce vibration which might help with my alignment issue. Any thoughts.
I love you didn't take the easy rout of a new table saw and fix your existing one. Looks awesome.
I love the sonic quality of this video - it's very satisfying to listen to, and the occasional "audio changes before video" is a lovely detail.
The cast iron beds are worth their weight in gold plus the overhaul on the lift and tilt mechanism is fantastic experience to understand how something works. Ryobi may not be the dogs bollocks, but as long as it does what you want it to do, who gives a toss. Job well done and a top noch vid. Jono UK.
New fan over here. Love your channel. I've got the 1977 version of this saw that I bought off a guy for $50 on craigslist, but you better believe I gave him $60 because he helped me carry it out of his basement, so I feel you.
Nothing better than smoothly restoring anything, especially if you use it alot
Most people would of junked the saw and run to get new one but not you and I respect that! Great improvements!
Literally everything in this video is covered in sawdust
I love that even when you bought a Craftsman table saw, you still managed to end up with a Ryobi product XD
Genius. Excellent video and process. You showed the good, the bad, and the ugly. A true make it happen Craftsman. Thank you for sharing your journey. You are truly inspiring. Enjoyed every minute. Can't wait to see the projects coming out of your dream shop.
Very interesting use of foam insulation as a backing board.