Hello, After having fun with 3 months of hard unforgiving fun on the last generation bosch cx, I changed to the shimano e8000. Two different motors for two different types of riders and terrain. Just under 5000km of trouble free riding on the e8000 with it set to American setting (32kmh). That difference of 7kmh makes a massive difference out of the trail and the motor has never once complained. Shimano really did do a fantastic job with the e8000 and I agree that innovation needs to increase battery range and lower the weight of the battery. A clear and honest review 👍🏼
U have the E7000 and it is a brilliant motor very underated, its lighter than E8000, has a more natural feel, quieter and has more than enough grunt. I'd like to see a comparison between ep8 & e7000..
Yes, that would be a nice test!! Santa Cruz on their R build is using the e7000 on the Heckler and the Bullit. Are those bikes too heavy for the e7000?
Hay Sam, just watched this as I was on a lazy day home :) I recently bought a 2nd hand 2020 Norco Range VLT C2 with the E8000. A mate of mine has a Merida with an EP8 - it was great to see your comments about the two. I love my Norco, it was immaculate and I got it for a great price so knowing it really is not that much "worse" than the EP8 is great! Also I have to say seeing you so short of breath on your hill climb was pretty amusing given how easy ebikes are suppose to make riding. I find that if I put the same amount of effort into riding the ebike as I do the mtb then I still get a bloody good work out! People look at me like I'm putting an act on after a super rapid climb - not to mention pushing through the speed limiter on less steep decents. I hope that all makes sense. Good review :)
Yes mate not really much in it for the ep8 and the e8000 and the most important things is your have an ebike and your riding and yes if you ride a ebike hard you can get a great work out!
Good vid as usual. :-) I like your comments on “trying to get your hands on a bike these days, E8000 is worth it at a discount” and also the “was expecting a bit more of a step up from the EP8”. Same here I have a E8000 Meta Power 2018, still so much fun!
Have the Decoy. Ordered the Meta. I do a lot of technical climbing (No Quarter on Fromme and from Hyannis on Seymour here in Vancouver), so I think I'm going to notice a difference. Keep the duck tho! Thanks for another great episode!
Great Video. One more variable to throw in there are the different battery types. Shimano is still using the older 18650 batteries with the more efficient motor while YT has the newer (and possibly better heat dissipation due to the larger size) 21700 cells with the older less efficient motor. Hmm.. 🤔
Personally I would avoid both of them.. Since Shimano doesn't selling replacement parts to their motors, in case you have a motor failure outside of warranty you can't fix it! Shimano is the only motor which is un fixable. You can find spare parts for every other motor in the market (bosch, Yamaha, Brose) but not for Shimano.... I have couple of friends with 2018 Merida e160 900 (E8000 motor) and both of them has to replace the motor on their own expense (1300$) since the out of warranty. It's a real shame that many companies still choosing Shimano's motor and even more that Shimano decided not to support their motors after warranty.
I would like a smaller back up battery for weight saving on shorter rides/jump park or backpack as auxiliary...plus save $$$ over a 2nd full battery. Got my e160 900e back in 2017, 1st aussie batch, and still love it.
Good honest review Sam thanks, it’ll be interesting to see how the reliability is,my e8000 hasn’t misted a beat ( touch wood) I’ve done about 1500k and there’s guys out that have done over 6000k with no issues 👍
Love t E8000 in my Focus (first ebike following open-heart surgery plus new interior components in me!). got me back into mtb. almost 5000km done no issues out here in NZ. mostly tech stuff, 5 chains into this experience, long may it last. thank you Shimano+bike manufacturers
Great honest informative video! You've got yourself a new subscriber 😁 without going into specs and all the fancy stuff, do you prefure the YT or the Commencal? Im in the market for a new bike!
Hey champ Merry Christmas and all that. I plan on doing an update on all motors in the next month but I think the Bosch is a little better for power but the EP8 is very natural feeling
Thx for the in depth comparison of both Shimano motors... What's about the adjustability? Could show in a coming up video sth about the app? Still waiting for the decoy with the EP8...
Might be a silly question but have you played with the presets on the app? The default settings are low 👍🏼 I also have no sound from my sx27 on descents but I do wear a full face lid. I feel the motor is smooth, quiet and strong. Are you going to mullet the commi??
Yes sir I have it was all set to boast for the test as I was looking for over all power and range in a short time. I'm working on a Mullet set up in the coming weeks. Glad your loving your SX
One interesting thing you commented is the power realease. When riding my girlfriend's Levo ( 2017) , down at Derby , I noticed it was very difficult where you were trying to do repeat tight climbing turns ,where you were loading and unloading the pedals . The bike would push the front wheel , sometimes driving the front into the outside of the turn. When you were also trying to avoid rocks, you would hit the rocks on the outside. That makes the quick response not trivial. The same with the delivery lag on the Levo.
Hey Sam. Good comparisson. I kind of think, how about when you pedal over the assisted speed ? I would like a comparrison on that as well. Kind regards Thomas
Hi Sam I am building a foes fat e-ticket, which is sold with E800, but they say they will supply ep8. But foes are struggling with motor deliveries. Would you go for e8000 or wait till ep8 is available to them, this could be a long time. Cheers carl
I would if I could actually buy one somewhere, foes USA are saying no eta on deliveries and being quoted 600 days for new orders, bloody ridiculous. Great channel 👍
Im going to disagree on the rattle noise. After selling my 2020 eOne sixty 9k for the 2021 model and taking it to thredbo the noise from the rattle/ clunk done my head in. I could hear it over everything even with a full face helmet on. I find it's doesn't feel as powerful as it should.but I found on a recent ride where I would use trail mode I was using eco instead and if I put more effort in I didn't need to change to trail mode on some of the climbs where before I'd be in putting it in trail mode. Hopefully a firmware upgrade bumps the power up a little as you said. Do I love it the New EP8 ,not really I think they have dropped the ball a little on it compared to the E8000. They both have their pros and cons like anything though.
Hey mate thanks for the comment and I defo think its case by case for the rattle. The Meta isn't to bad and also I have put a I9 rear wheel on it so it has helped a lot. Over all I dont love the EP8 its better than the e8000 but not sure its 4 years of research and development
Great video!! I'm currently contemplating getting the new Canyon Torque.On 9 which comes with the EP8 motor but only comes with a 504wh battery. I'm currently riding a Gen 1 Specialized Levo Comp, it's whisper quiet up and down hills but also has the 504wh battery. I guess my question is, do you think I'd notice the loss of range from the more powerful motor and will the noise do my head in? I like to run Hope axles so should be noisy enough to mask the rattle. Right?
Hei Sam, you mentioned that there was not a lot of difference between the E8000 and the EP8 on the hill climb challenge (around 5 seconds a minute). However its good to remember that on a EWS-E powerstage like Finale Ligure powerstage 3 that 5 seconds would have been the difference in coming 1st or 15th. Well we are not riding pro are we :) but still its good to make note that the EP8 is a much more worthy motor to take to the EWS-E than the E8000! Reg. Markus
Rode the EP8 and also hardly noticed a difference but my bike is also slightly lighter. My e160 8000 sat next to the EP8 on a slight incline and with New Zealand 32kph settings left the eP8 behind like it was standing still when we reached EU settings. At 25kph we both got the same range with the EP8 cutting in and out fatiguing the rider. Do I get a EP8 after 5K km motor replacement or do I get a second 500W battery? Can not loose weight as I am gaining muscle mass which is my biggest issue atm.
@@SamsBikes sorry typos late night. Nice mug shot on the EMBN. My average top speed on a XC trax is 28kph which is the sweet spot preserving the battery in eco 30NM
Nice video. Thanks! I still wonder if the EP8 increased efficiency translates to more range per watts used compared to the E8000. The bars remaining you mentioned in the video was from bikes with two different sized batteries so hard to interpret. I am riding a Santa Cruz Heckler at the moment and have to carry an extra battery on longer rides with friends on Specialized Turbo Levo bikes. I have a Santa Cruz Bullit on order with the EP8 motor and 630wh battery.
Hey David, I thought the EP8 was going to be better on battery consumption but from the 100km I have done I haven't been that impressed. I did one 30km ride with 2 mate on 500 batteries and we all almost run out it was super enduro up and down but I was expecting more... I need to test it against the Brose and the Bosch
Nice one mate, I've been pretty impressed with the range on the EP8, I did about 30km over 2 separated days and only used half of the battery, but I only used in Trail mode. The rattling is a bit annoying for me as its the only noise that my bike makes, not a deal breaker like to said, but its definitely there, mine its on the e160 8000 carbon, but I find the noise its more on the cranks kind of thing, don't think the frame influences it much. If you want more range and less power wouldn't be the ECO mode the option? Cheers
Hey mate thanks for the comments I was just trying to compare apples to apples and I decided to do it in Boast because it was easier.... defo Eco is way better on range.
Couldn't agree more Sam, 60nm is fine imo, Orbea's Rise would of been perfect with a 630wh internal making shorter rides water bottle friendly and all day epic rides with the extender and pack
Yep I would like a frame with 3 connection middle left and right 320 watt battery 🔋 with a battery cover you can run on in the center or two in its side connections and you could also Carry one more in a backpack! Just an idea I hope some does
The EP8 can be great; but what can we do with that if Shimano does not deliver? I have been expecting a Kona Remote 160 DL since last august and still no answer...
I’ve had my 2021 Merida E160 700 EP8 for a couple of weeks. Can hardly notice the motor rattle in the alloy frame. Definitely noisier in the carbon frames.
I have almost 4000 miles on my Decoy with the E8000. It's been pretty bombproof so far. The only bitch I have about it, is that there is a plug on the motor that has loosened a couple of times and when it happens the thing shuts off completely. I have to drop the motor to reconnect it and add dilectric grease. It's not been a major problem, but was annoying when it happened. They need a more secure way to lock this plug in place. I'd like to ride an EP8 bike, but it's not something I feel like I need at the moment.
Hey mate defo I agree I hate the plug on the bottom of the Decoy it sucks I could never get it to close. I think the ep8 is better but the e8000 is still great.
In the first climb test you can see the EP8 is only giving 3/4ths the power as it gives power according to how hard it's being pedalled. So yeah it's not giving 85Nm as the power display shows.
It's funny what you get used to I guess because doesn't Bosch make the run on of the motor a selling point rather than a negative? I have a Brose and appreciate the run on of the motor when climbing, not dangerous at all. I also wonder if trying to make the motor fit the frame to hide the fact it's an ebike is a positive thing when the trade off is making the centre of gravity of all that mass considerably higher?
Sam, good video, not sure it was a true comparison since the motors were on different bikes, but you highlighted the differences. Pet peeve, using the phrase "if I'm being honest". I expect you to always be honest, so when you say that I ask myself, is he not always honest? Please try to quit using that phrase. Perhaps use "in my professional opinion" or "not holding any punches" or "really being fair" or nothing. Critique cause I care. Cheers!
@@SamsBikes I've had mine a little over a year , about 2000 miles on it . Luckily no overheat yet. I love how quiet it is. its just silent and very natural feel due to the low torque i guess. It can be a little jerky at times and hard to start from a stop uphill. Id love to try the Orbea Rise with the ep8rs!
Shimano 3 settings is rubbish. Eco and trail are useless. Everyone rides Shimano on Boost all the time. My Yamaha has 5 settings all very different. Auto mod is awesome. Il Stick with Yamaha or Bosch.
The Brose motor on the levo is infinitely adjustable You can tune each setting to as much or as little as you want including how quickly you want the power to come on or be delayed
Have you ever tried a Shimano? To me, it seems you haven’t. I have a 2018 Commencal Meta Power with E8000 with over 6000km in it and pretty much never used Boost. I also have a Yamaha PW-X2 and the Auto mode is rubbish compared to the E8000 Trail mode.
Thx for the in depth comparison of both Shimano motors... What's about the adjustability? Could show in a coming up video sth about the app? Still waiting for the decoy with the EP8...
Hello,
After having fun with 3 months of hard unforgiving fun on the last generation bosch cx, I changed to the shimano e8000.
Two different motors for two different types of riders and terrain.
Just under 5000km of trouble free riding on the e8000 with it set to American setting (32kmh).
That difference of 7kmh makes a massive difference out of the trail and the motor has never once complained. Shimano really did do a fantastic job with the e8000 and I agree that innovation needs to increase battery range and lower the weight of the battery.
A clear and honest review 👍🏼
U have the E7000 and it is a brilliant motor very underated, its lighter than E8000, has a more natural feel, quieter and has more than enough grunt. I'd like to see a comparison between ep8 & e7000..
Yes, that would be a nice test!! Santa Cruz on their R build is using the e7000 on the Heckler and the Bullit. Are those bikes too heavy for the e7000?
Hey guys that is a interesting Idea for a test let me try and sort it out.
@@kountification nope, super good on the SC Bullit. E7000 rocks but it has 1000ks and already went to warranty...
Massive compliments to you Sir! I'm digging that Commencal bike. Put that on my #1 list.
And you Sir Eric thanks for the kind words. Please if you have any questions please ask away.
Hay Sam, just watched this as I was on a lazy day home :) I recently bought a 2nd hand 2020 Norco Range VLT C2 with the E8000. A mate of mine has a Merida with an EP8 - it was great to see your comments about the two. I love my Norco, it was immaculate and I got it for a great price so knowing it really is not that much "worse" than the EP8 is great! Also I have to say seeing you so short of breath on your hill climb was pretty amusing given how easy ebikes are suppose to make riding. I find that if I put the same amount of effort into riding the ebike as I do the mtb then I still get a bloody good work out! People look at me like I'm putting an act on after a super rapid climb - not to mention pushing through the speed limiter on less steep decents. I hope that all makes sense. Good review :)
Yes mate not really much in it for the ep8 and the e8000 and the most important things is your have an ebike and your riding and yes if you ride a ebike hard you can get a great work out!
Good vid as usual. :-)
I like your comments on “trying to get your hands on a bike these days, E8000 is worth it at a discount” and also the “was expecting a bit more of a step up from the EP8”. Same here I have a E8000 Meta Power 2018, still so much fun!
Thanks bro.... I think the e8000 is still amazing and now just a little cheaper for people to get into a already expensive sport
THANKS NICO ! MI NEW HERO ! BRING IT TO YOUR CREW !
Very informative video, subscribed. Sticking to my e8000 Commencal for now :D
Awesome, thank you!
Have the Decoy. Ordered the Meta. I do a lot of technical climbing (No Quarter on Fromme and from Hyannis on Seymour here in Vancouver), so I think I'm going to notice a difference. Keep the duck tho! Thanks for another great episode!
Thanks mate love to know how you get on! I think you will get a little more range but not that much!
Great Video. One more variable to throw in there are the different battery types. Shimano is still using the older 18650 batteries with the more efficient motor while YT has the newer (and possibly better heat dissipation due to the larger size) 21700 cells with the older less efficient motor. Hmm.. 🤔
oh man there are too many variables on these bloody ebikes haha ill keep trying to get it right
Personally I would avoid both of them..
Since Shimano doesn't selling replacement parts to their motors, in case you have a motor failure outside of warranty you can't fix it!
Shimano is the only motor which is un fixable.
You can find spare parts for every other motor in the market (bosch, Yamaha, Brose) but not for Shimano....
I have couple of friends with 2018 Merida e160 900 (E8000 motor) and both of them has to replace the motor on their own expense (1300$) since the out of warranty.
It's a real shame that many companies still choosing Shimano's motor and even more that Shimano decided not to support their motors after warranty.
thanks for your thoughts
Agree and now Shimano have changed the e8000 app to reduce the adjustablility. Buying Bosch next time.
Good comparison vid Sam. Have been waiting for a good vid comparing the two. 👍
Glad you liked it
Sam if you want power you have to try the Rocky Mountain Powerplay bikes.
Love the vids keep them coming
thanks for the advice I have been trying lets hope this year...
I would like a smaller back up battery for weight saving on shorter rides/jump park or backpack as auxiliary...plus save $$$ over a 2nd full battery.
Got my e160 900e back in 2017, 1st aussie batch, and still love it.
Spot on about power and range , I find my e8000 plenty powerful but wish range was improved
we can only wish cant we... thanks for the feedback
I think my E8000 could use a little extra power but it's not a deal breaker.
Very interesting. It seems I do not need to rush out to buy a new bike to get EP8, which is nice because I like my Canyon.
Yea Tim its not that much better its more like a refined e8000
Good honest review Sam thanks, it’ll be interesting to see how the reliability is,my e8000 hasn’t misted a beat ( touch wood) I’ve done about 1500k and there’s guys out that have done over 6000k with no issues 👍
lets see butter sure the e8000 is and was a work horse...
Love t E8000 in my Focus (first ebike following open-heart surgery plus new interior components in me!). got me back into mtb. almost 5000km done no issues out here in NZ. mostly tech stuff, 5 chains into this experience, long may it last. thank you Shimano+bike manufacturers
Great honest informative video! You've got yourself a new subscriber 😁 without going into specs and all the fancy stuff, do you prefure the YT or the Commencal? Im in the market for a new bike!
Commencal, shimano battery if you have a problem, new motor and I like it better but very similar bikes
I am really enjoying my Canyon and the wife is doing well on her Commencal both with the E8000 motor
totally its still a great option in 21
Nice video mate! What do you think about the difference between EP8 and Bosch Gen 4 with the update?
Hey champ Merry Christmas and all that. I plan on doing an update on all motors in the next month but I think the Bosch is a little better for power but the EP8 is very natural feeling
Thx for the in depth comparison of both Shimano motors... What's about the adjustability? Could show in a coming up video sth about the app?
Still waiting for the decoy with the EP8...
Coming soon!
Might be a silly question but have you played with the presets on the app? The default settings are low 👍🏼 I also have no sound from my sx27 on descents but I do wear a full face lid. I feel the motor is smooth, quiet and strong.
Are you going to mullet the commi??
Yes sir I have it was all set to boast for the test as I was looking for over all power and range in a short time. I'm working on a Mullet set up in the coming weeks. Glad your loving your SX
One interesting thing you commented is the power realease. When riding my girlfriend's Levo ( 2017) , down at Derby , I noticed it was very difficult where you were trying to do repeat tight climbing turns ,where you were loading and unloading the pedals . The bike would push the front wheel , sometimes driving the front into the outside of the turn. When you were also trying to avoid rocks, you would hit the rocks on the outside. That makes the quick response not trivial. The same with the delivery lag on the Levo.
Hey Greg nice input.... I think the EP8 is better than this for that its super on off power
Hey Sam.
Good comparisson.
I kind of think, how about when you pedal over the assisted speed ? I would like a comparrison on that as well.
Kind regards Thomas
oh hands down the ep8 is better I thought I mentioned that in the review
@@SamsBikes damn i did not hear that. But cool thanks 👍🏼
Please part 2: EP8 comparing to latest gens: Bosch, Brose, Yamaha. Thanx
oh wow... let me try and do that with out dying hahah
Bosh gen 2 is fastest
Thanks for the video Sam. What is the rumour mill saying about the EP8 fitment into the YT Decoy?
no idea but I think it should be the first quarter of this year
I like the overrun on the e8000.
Many people have commented that the Bosch gen 4 has the best overrun to help not hinder technical hill climbs.
Hi Sam
I am building a foes fat e-ticket, which is sold with E800, but they say they will supply ep8. But foes are struggling with motor deliveries. Would you go for e8000 or wait till ep8 is available to them, this could be a long time.
Cheers carl
1 month ago I would of said go for the e8000 but the ep8 is actually a fantastic motor
I would if I could actually buy one somewhere, foes USA are saying no eta on deliveries and being quoted 600 days for new orders, bloody ridiculous.
Great channel 👍
Im going to disagree on the rattle noise. After selling my 2020 eOne sixty 9k for the 2021 model and taking it to thredbo the noise from the rattle/ clunk done my head in. I could hear it over everything even with a full face helmet on. I find it's doesn't feel as powerful as it should.but I found on a recent ride where I would use trail mode I was using eco instead and if I put more effort in I didn't need to change to trail mode on some of the climbs where before I'd be in putting it in trail mode.
Hopefully a firmware upgrade bumps the power up a little as you said.
Do I love it the New EP8 ,not really I think they have dropped the ball a little on it compared to the E8000.
They both have their pros and cons like anything though.
Hey mate thanks for the comment and I defo think its case by case for the rattle. The Meta isn't to bad and also I have put a I9 rear wheel on it so it has helped a lot. Over all I dont love the EP8 its better than the e8000 but not sure its 4 years of research and development
Which bike do you find to be more fun on the descents? The decoy mullet or the commencal?
Commencal is just wild!
Great video!! I'm currently contemplating getting the new Canyon Torque.On 9 which comes with the EP8 motor but only comes with a 504wh battery. I'm currently riding a Gen 1 Specialized Levo Comp, it's whisper quiet up and down hills but also has the 504wh battery. I guess my question is, do you think I'd notice the loss of range from the more powerful motor and will the noise do my head in? I like to run Hope axles so should be noisy enough to mask the rattle. Right?
Have you seen my range test on the ep8 that will give you an idea! The range isn’t very good on the shimano but it’s a fantastic motor
@@SamsBikes I'll check it out. Thanks!
Hei Sam, you mentioned that there was not a lot of difference between the E8000 and the EP8 on the hill climb challenge (around 5 seconds a minute). However its good to remember that on a EWS-E powerstage like Finale Ligure powerstage 3 that 5 seconds would have been the difference in coming 1st or 15th. Well we are not riding pro are we :) but still its good to make note that the EP8 is a much more worthy motor to take to the EWS-E than the E8000! Reg. Markus
Hey bro totally for that reason you won't see many e8000 or ep8 at the EWS E this year
Shimano ep8 👎.Bosch Cx4 👍 Merci pour le test 👍😊
Rode the EP8 and also hardly noticed a difference but my bike is also slightly lighter. My e160 8000 sat next to the EP8 on a slight incline and with New Zealand 32kph settings left the eP8 behind like it was standing still when we reached EU settings. At 25kph we both got the same range with the EP8 cutting in and out fatiguing the rider. Do I get a EP8 after 5K km motor replacement or do I get a second 500W battery? Can not loose weight as I am gaining muscle mass which is my biggest issue atm.
I would get an extra battery
@@SamsBikes sorry typos late night. Nice mug shot on the EMBN. My average top speed on a XC trax is 28kph which is the sweet spot preserving the battery in eco 30NM
Nice video. Thanks! I still wonder if the EP8 increased efficiency translates to more range per watts used compared to the E8000. The bars remaining you mentioned in the video was from bikes with two different sized batteries so hard to interpret. I am riding a Santa Cruz Heckler at the moment and have to carry an extra battery on longer rides with friends on Specialized Turbo Levo bikes. I have a Santa Cruz Bullit on order with the EP8 motor and 630wh battery.
Hey David, I thought the EP8 was going to be better on battery consumption but from the 100km I have done I haven't been that impressed. I did one 30km ride with 2 mate on 500 batteries and we all almost run out it was super enduro up and down but I was expecting more... I need to test it against the Brose and the Bosch
Nice one mate, I've been pretty impressed with the range on the EP8, I did about 30km over 2 separated days and only used half of the battery, but I only used in Trail mode. The rattling is a bit annoying for me as its the only noise that my bike makes, not a deal breaker like to said, but its definitely there, mine its on the e160 8000 carbon, but I find the noise its more on the cranks kind of thing, don't think the frame influences it much. If you want more range and less power wouldn't be the ECO mode the option? Cheers
Hey mate thanks for the comments I was just trying to compare apples to apples and I decided to do it in Boast because it was easier.... defo Eco is way better on range.
Best motor vid yet
Thanks mate
Couldn't agree more Sam, 60nm is fine imo, Orbea's Rise would of been perfect with a 630wh internal making shorter rides water bottle friendly and all day epic rides with the extender and pack
What I want to see is two battery in the internal which one is removable about 1.5kg and you can carry a extra in the backpack... that's the future
@@SamsBikes now that actually is a brilliant idea, presuming you would need a dummy to replace the 2nd battery. Great idea Sam 👌
Yep I would like a frame with 3 connection middle left and right 320 watt battery 🔋 with a battery cover you can run on in the center or two in its side connections and you could also Carry one more in a backpack! Just an idea I hope some does
@@SamsBikes yes please and with proper tyres and suspension around the 17.5-19kg mark, lighter weight for the jumps, heavier for all day epics
Totally mate maybe I’ll just move to China and build it haha
Nice one mate! Good job 😉
Thank you! Cheers legend
I'd be interested to see a review now as my merida has been through 3 ep8 motors. I'm actually thinking of putting a e8000 when this one shits itself.
The EP8 can be great; but what can we do with that if Shimano does not deliver? I have been expecting a Kona Remote 160 DL since last august and still no answer...
this is true but it has been a hard year for everyone....
@@SamsBikes i still have my analog trail bike, i sold an XC i had to buy the eBike....if i had sold both i would have been a very sad person
I’ve had my 2021 Merida E160 700 EP8 for a couple of weeks. Can hardly notice the motor rattle in the alloy frame. Definitely noisier in the carbon frames.
yep for me I dont even hear it now in the Meta
I have almost 4000 miles on my Decoy with the E8000. It's been pretty bombproof so far. The only bitch I have about it, is that there is a plug on the motor that has loosened a couple of times and when it happens the thing shuts off completely. I have to drop the motor to reconnect it and add dilectric grease. It's not been a major problem, but was annoying when it happened. They need a more secure way to lock this plug in place. I'd like to ride an EP8 bike, but it's not something I feel like I need at the moment.
Hey mate defo I agree I hate the plug on the bottom of the Decoy it sucks I could never get it to close. I think the ep8 is better but the e8000 is still great.
In the first climb test you can see the EP8 is only giving 3/4ths the power as it gives power according to how hard it's being pedalled. So yeah it's not giving 85Nm as the power display shows.
Maybe the big bonus will be, no need for a new motor every 6 months?
this is a very good point. Lets see
Best motor is the one in the saddle haha
Need the "whir" to warn none ebike riders to move out the way 😉
It's funny what you get used to I guess because doesn't Bosch make the run on of the motor a selling point rather than a negative? I have a Brose and appreciate the run on of the motor when climbing, not dangerous at all. I also wonder if trying to make the motor fit the frame to hide the fact it's an ebike is a positive thing when the trade off is making the centre of gravity of all that mass considerably higher?
good points? I think I like the EP8 with zero run on for me style of riding....
What I would like to see is how do they compare in maximum eco mode. no one rides always in boost, it's a somewhat mute comparison.
I kinda thought this was the best I could do in a morning just to give you an idea.. Ill try and do it again.
Sam, good video, not sure it was a true comparison since the motors were on different bikes, but you highlighted the differences. Pet peeve, using the phrase "if I'm being honest". I expect you to always be honest, so when you say that I ask myself, is he not always honest? Please try to quit using that phrase. Perhaps use "in my professional opinion" or "not holding any punches" or "really being fair" or nothing. Critique cause I care. Cheers!
good point thanks for watching and your support
Nice vid sam
Thanks Phil
Hey good video. Kind regrads from Germany
I'm waiting for the EP 11
I’m waiting for the EP8000
hahaha me too
I was surprised that the 2021 yt decoy elite didn’t come with the new ep8
yep me too... check tonights Video
The e7000 is the best motor and the most underrated.
Im not sure about that my mate has it and hates it.. Always overheats
@@SamsBikes I've had mine a little over a year , about 2000 miles on it . Luckily no overheat yet. I love how quiet it is. its just silent and very natural feel due to the low torque i guess. It can be a little jerky at times and hard to start from a stop uphill. Id love to try the Orbea Rise with the ep8rs!
Hay posibilidad de cambiar el e8000 en una focus jam2 por el ep8
Rattle would drive me nuts, especially if an upgrade motor.
its not that bad in my opinion
Are the mounting bolt patterns the same so you can install a EP8 in a frame originally housing a E8000?
They are but you can’t buy a stand alone ep8
@@SamsBikes that’s a bummer :(
Was there a recall on EP8 motors to sort out the clunking noise?
No.
the problem wasn't the clunk..
It wasn't the rattle. It was for faulty motor mounts.
"15 Nm more power" - what? 😆
Which one is the new motor 🤷♂️
EP8
As far as the sound... My Norco Range C2 is quite compared to riding my xcf350 KTM for the last 4 years. Sound is nothing on all these ebiikes.
hahahah very good call people just get to precious these days
The best motor is the one you're riding. I don't fall for this newer is better b.s.
It's Bosch period.
maybe your right I'm going to do a massive back to back test soon
That rattle would annoy me.😖🤣
250km in on my EP8 and I don't notice it anymore.
I dont hear it anymore after 100km
Veinticinco y veintiseis...jejejje
Shimano 3 settings is rubbish. Eco and trail are useless. Everyone rides Shimano on Boost all the time. My Yamaha has 5 settings all very different. Auto mod is awesome. Il Stick with Yamaha or Bosch.
The Brose motor on the levo is infinitely adjustable You can tune each setting to as much or as little as you want including how quickly you want the power to come on or be delayed
Have you ever tried a Shimano? To me, it seems you haven’t. I have a 2018 Commencal Meta Power with E8000 with over 6000km in it and pretty much never used Boost. I also have a Yamaha PW-X2 and the Auto mode is rubbish compared to the E8000 Trail mode.
@@tamasvarga67 yes ive ridden plenty of Shimano bikes. I was in boost the whole time. Other two useless .
@@oztoob From your comment it doesn’t look like you did but I’ll leave it with that...
not sure mate I find 3 powers perfect but each to there own
Thx for the in depth comparison of both Shimano motors... What's about the adjustability? Could show in a coming up video sth about the app?
Still waiting for the decoy with the EP8...
Coming soon!