Oh, yes! The boiling alive scene is one of the most memorable from the book. That scene and the eye-of-the-hurricane scene that happens later in the saga have lived rent-free in my brain for a little over two decades!
Loved the series, I thought I had it figured out, but was pleasantly surprised by being wrong. Thank you for the commentary and the book perspective! ☺️☕
The thing about a good adaptation is that unfortunately what will define it's quality is how good is the adaptor at editing the original work. If you don't know what to add and what to remove or maintain the final results will always be a mess
I read this one when I was a teen and remember it being really really good. I'm just at the start of the video and I haven't seen the tv adaptation yet, but I wonder if it includes Tai-Pan and the rest of the series. Also, I'm realizing that teen me read and liked a lot of chonky sagas.
I watched the first 20 minutes of this and decided to watch the show blind (I haven't read the book) because you liked it so much. I ended up feeling a bit more mixed on the series by the end but I think it's because I have watched other political period dramas with cunning characters so I expected much more from it. At times it felt like I was watching the CW, I've seen some of the same beats many times over in prime time TV. I felt a bit deflated and hollow by the end, but now that I've sat with it a bit my opinion on it has softened and I plan on rewatching it at some point--likely after I read the book, which I am more interested in now. I felt the show didn't give enough of the characters so I feel like I'm going through withdrawals lol
Ah, I just watched the show! Thank you for this discussion, it's interesting hearing about the book perspective (didn't know it had this many sex scenes, jeez) P.S. there's a video cut off from 1:08:13 until 1:08:38
Also, I didn't realise it at the time, but could the name Blackthorn have been chosen for the symbolism of the tree? (Quoting from the top google result for brevity:) Blackthorn is associated with warfare, wounding and death, however this is also a plant of guarding. 🤔
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When I read the book I remember thinking that the emphasis on Blackthorn's sexual encounters is a bit much. I understood that sexuality needs to be presented bc there are differences between the english & the japanese way, but other characters talking repeatedly about how good he is in bed, the size of his penis etc was kinda weird to me. I watched Mertkaykay's analysis of IT by S King and she noticed how badly Beverly is written (as in men writing women) and that one of the boys, who seems to be a self insert of the author, has an out of nowhere and going nowhere (and while she has another love interest) sex scene w her when they reunite as adults, in which he gives her a series of orgasms that strain the reader's suspension of disbelief. This while we're often told how sexy and how young she looks for her age. This made Mertkaykay feel, keeping in mind how disconnected that scene is from the rest of the book, that it was an author's fantasy of banging the hot girl and being great at it, which he wanted to fulfill even if just in fiction. (she explained it better w more arguments and it adds up) And watching this I realised I had the same feeling about Blackthorn's sexual activities' descriptions and part of his and Mariko's relationship in the book. I'm glad it was avoided in the show.
I very much agree with you on this and the parallel to "It" is very interesting, I am tempted to give it a reread with these glasses on because perhaps since the book is a childhood favourite, I haven't really "noticed" that Bill would be an author insert. 😊
Yes, the original shogun from the 80's is very hammy and cringe with a lot of its portrayals... but John Rhys Davies makes everything better. I actually liked the original better personally because I grew up with it, but the new series is still really good. Both are great adaptations.
That’s an interesting perspective and to be fair, a great visionary with a great team can adapt a bad/ok written work well but, when the source material is amazing and is treated with deference we get things like Shogun which genuinely cannot compare. Editing to add that the last couple seasons of GoT had little to no source material from Martin and it majorly tanked so that aspect doesn’t have much weight imo when you put it in practice. On the other hand WoT had amazing source material and shitty team and that tanked. For me the team adapting the work is bound to make or break it.
I sadly couldn't get past the weird sex stuff in the Shogun book, that and being intimidated by the length and density caused me to put it down a couple hundred pages in. Although it was very interesting for a while as I was reading it and if not for that I would have loved it
Oh, yes! The boiling alive scene is one of the most memorable from the book. That scene and the eye-of-the-hurricane scene that happens later in the saga have lived rent-free in my brain for a little over two decades!
Oh yes that eye of the hurricane scene really stays with you!
Finished watching the show, I can now finally watch this video
Loved the series, I thought I had it figured out, but was pleasantly surprised by being wrong. Thank you for the commentary and the book perspective! ☺️☕
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Lindberg 😮 UTT goes international 🎉❤
Hoppin out at red lights, twerkin on them headlights…for the algorithm.
By the way the sequel to Powerless just came out... if yall are looking for a YA book to feed the algo, Powerless by Lauren Roberts may be it...
How do I get to be cool like you guys when I grow up?
The thing about a good adaptation is that unfortunately what will define it's quality is how good is the adaptor at editing the original work. If you don't know what to add and what to remove or maintain the final results will always be a mess
I read this one when I was a teen and remember it being really really good. I'm just at the start of the video and I haven't seen the tv adaptation yet, but I wonder if it includes Tai-Pan and the rest of the series. Also, I'm realizing that teen me read and liked a lot of chonky sagas.
Loving the Rogue bangs Katie ❤❤❤
アルゴリズムのために～ (´^ω^)
And also, interesting video! (^∇^)
I watched the first 20 minutes of this and decided to watch the show blind (I haven't read the book) because you liked it so much. I ended up feeling a bit more mixed on the series by the end but I think it's because I have watched other political period dramas with cunning characters so I expected much more from it. At times it felt like I was watching the CW, I've seen some of the same beats many times over in prime time TV. I felt a bit deflated and hollow by the end, but now that I've sat with it a bit my opinion on it has softened and I plan on rewatching it at some point--likely after I read the book, which I am more interested in now. I felt the show didn't give enough of the characters so I feel like I'm going through withdrawals lol
Also Katie ur hair and makeup look v nice in this one ❤
Praise the algo
Ah, I just watched the show! Thank you for this discussion, it's interesting hearing about the book perspective (didn't know it had this many sex scenes, jeez)
P.S. there's a video cut off from 1:08:13 until 1:08:38
Shh, don't let the girls know I messed up.
--Will
@@unresolvedtextualtension haha, sorry, my bad
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHH!!! 😮🥳🥳🤩🤩 saw the title and haven’t even started watching yet, but oh boy I’m hyped about this episode! Shogun was SO well done
Whoa I did not expect a Shogun
OMG, I NEEDED THIS.
素晴らしい! 🦆🦆🦆
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I am... not having soup tonight
Also, I didn't realise it at the time, but could the name Blackthorn have been chosen for the symbolism of the tree?
(Quoting from the top google result for brevity:) Blackthorn is associated with warfare, wounding and death, however this is also a plant of guarding.
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Hey guys, just wanted to check in cause I know you usually are super consistent in your uploads. Hope everything is good. In case you want to let us know something about any changes or updates then you can say it in the community tab too! Just hoping all is well.💜
As soon as I buy the big ass book, they produce a show, then I come to youtube months later and see this. The universe hates me
When I read the book I remember thinking that the emphasis on Blackthorn's sexual encounters is a bit much. I understood that sexuality needs to be presented bc there are differences between the english & the japanese way, but other characters talking repeatedly about how good he is in bed, the size of his penis etc was kinda weird to me.
I watched Mertkaykay's analysis of IT by S King and she noticed how badly Beverly is written (as in men writing women) and that one of the boys, who seems to be a self insert of the author, has an out of nowhere and going nowhere (and while she has another love interest) sex scene w her when they reunite as adults, in which he gives her a series of orgasms that strain the reader's suspension of disbelief. This while we're often told how sexy and how young she looks for her age.
This made Mertkaykay feel, keeping in mind how disconnected that scene is from the rest of the book, that it was an author's fantasy of banging the hot girl and being great at it, which he wanted to fulfill even if just in fiction. (she explained it better w more arguments and it adds up)
And watching this I realised I had the same feeling about Blackthorn's sexual activities' descriptions and part of his and Mariko's relationship in the book. I'm glad it was avoided in the show.
I very much agree with you on this and the parallel to "It" is very interesting, I am tempted to give it a reread with these glasses on because perhaps since the book is a childhood favourite, I haven't really "noticed" that Bill would be an author insert. 😊
PREACH! I did not need to know that one guys mom's ahem... * fascination *....with Blackthon's dick
I don't think I want to finish the show, so I'm here for spoilers!
Send me links to any and all Anjin/Fuji fics you may stumble over, kk thx 😘
Will I ever watch the show ? No . Will I read the book ? Also no. Will I watch this vid regardless? Absolutely
Yikes
But the show is good tho
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How can someone hate Cosmo Jarvis? He's the guy who did the Gay Pirates song
Yes, the original shogun from the 80's is very hammy and cringe with a lot of its portrayals... but John Rhys Davies makes everything better. I actually liked the original better personally because I grew up with it, but the new series is still really good. Both are great adaptations.
watashi wa gozaimasu
The game Ghost of Tsushima might interest some of you, I think. Beautiful game with a beautiful story.
I think the best adaptations work best when the book isn't tha great to begin with.
That’s an interesting perspective and to be fair, a great visionary with a great team can adapt a bad/ok written work well but, when the source material is amazing and is treated with deference we get things like Shogun which genuinely cannot compare. Editing to add that the last couple seasons of GoT had little to no source material from Martin and it majorly tanked so that aspect doesn’t have much weight imo when you put it in practice. On the other hand WoT had amazing source material and shitty team and that tanked. For me the team adapting the work is bound to make or break it.
I sadly couldn't get past the weird sex stuff in the Shogun book, that and being intimidated by the length and density caused me to put it down a couple hundred pages in. Although it was very interesting for a while as I was reading it and if not for that I would have loved it