Nice review - thank you. I've collected several Pilots and all have been perfect out of the box. I have an 823 in the Clear model. I'm usually not a fan of gold trim either, but somehow it looks great. Since U.S. retailers did not carry the Clear version, I bought from an excellent seller in Japan (no coupon codes, unfortunately, but good prices).
Good review. A pen I have used but do not own, my pen focus has not returned to Pilot, I am satisifed with the ones I have for now. Glad to hear Mike fixed your nib. Richard Binder did the same with my Omas. Hard to believe the magic a Nib Meister can do until one experiences it. Another of the wonderful adventures in the pen universe.
Hiya FigBoot, enjoyed this review and it was watched a number of times as this pen is on my radar. Feed... Pilot pens are a pain in the Aristotle. I have a couple but the feed problem in particular was highlighted in the one needing good ink flow, my Pilot custom heritage 912 with F A nib, the feed just will not keep up and I bought this pen so the flex part will teach me NOT to press too hard which is a legacy from my old job where everything was done on these horrible triplicate self carbonising toilet paper forms,,, and having to use ball points to do the work. I ended up sending my 912 pen back and The Pen Chalet fixed everything up, the second one was a little better but Pilot has problems here. The Heritage 823 is a lovely pen and I too like the. vacuum cleaning filling system (hahaha.) Demonstrator pens appeal to me and this being semi transparent, you can see the ink sloshing about. I didnt realize the date was on the nib!!! Thats something new to me. Im enjoying your presrntations a lot, so thank you for your dedication and interest in the hobby also for taking the time to make and share. Best wishes to all pen peoples. LeZc @@
Pro tip: The TWSBI Vac 700 piston fits inside this pen. How did I find out? Well my buddy had a broken Vac 700 and so he bought a new one. Well, months later, he bought this pen and decided to see if it would fit. So he took the Vac 700R piston rod and put it into this pen because it no longer has the tapered small o-ring on his pen so he doesn’t have to open the back cap. 👍🏻
After you had your pen tuned by a nibsmith, at an extra expense to you, the review became pointless. We (myself included) keep giving pen companies a pass for not doing the one thing pens are supposed to do well. Three experts had to check your nib before getting it to work, it's ridiculous. And yes, I had a faulty broad 823 nib too.
I have 11 gold nibbed Pilot pens. All of the Customs & Custom Heritage pens have required some work to get flowing well. Usually the issue is the tines are touching too tightly at the tip, which I fix myself with an index card between the tines. Some of them have arrived not writing at all, and as much as I love Pilot - the poor quality control is making it hard for me to recommend the pens to others without a warning like you included in your review. OUTSTANDING review and those close-up photos are amazing!
I love my medium Amber 823. Sorry to hear (and surprised) that you had a nib issue, but if anyone can correct one - it's Mike Masuyama. Not surprised that the nib is one of your favorites as I find Pilot nibs second only to those from OMAS. I found mine on eBay for just over $200 shipped which seems more than fair for a pen of this quality. Thanks for another fine review, David.
Thank you, David. I was initially concerned so thank you for addressing that. I think that this might be a pen I will seek out soon as it has many of the elements I enjoy from a major manufacturer.
Nib anda section of Pilot Custom is the same that the nib of Pilot Bamboo. Custom is very nice; I like It. I belive that this pen is better that Mont Blanc 146. Japanese pens are very good. Antonio, from Alicante, Spain.
I agree on the comments about the silver coloured trim. I would prefer to buy a clear or smoke version with silver coloured trim if I could, and that has held me off from buying one so far. When buying a luxury item like this I want it to be exactly as I prefer, but I wouldn't be suprised if I end up buying one with the gold coloured trim eventually because it is after all mostly for the writing experience.
THREE nib meisters needed to fix this pen! Wow. I realize this is an old video. Hope Pilot has solved such issues in the meantime. Beautiful pen, but at that price it is simply out of my budget for wants, not needs, and at least now I know I wouldn't take the risk, either. I'll stick with my clear Kakuno.
I would categorize this as a very rare mystery issue, and not something which should be used to judge Pilot as a whole. I own many high-end Pilot pens and this was the only issue I have ever had with one right out of the box.
Interesting about the date stamp. I ordered my 823 from Japan (via Amazon) and received in December 29 and it has 616 stamped at the base so it was only 6 months old.
Great review as usual. It's too bad that your pen didn't perform well out of the box. I actually just received my 823 with FA nib a few days ago, and it was perfect right away. Very smooth xf/f lines, easily flexing up to broad or beyond. It also seems to have avoid3d the flow issues that 912 and 743 FA pens generally have, though i need to test it more to be sure. I got mine in clear, and I think the gold accents it perfectly. It's my new favorite pen. The only problem is that it's so perfect, I now need the amber...
I really feel reviewers are being far too lenient with the manufacturers' lax quality control on their 'flagship' pens. (And far too ready to spend yet more hard-earned cash to getting that recalcitrant pen to do what it was designed to do out of the box. And not all of us have access to specialist nib-wizards and trade-show experts). When you can but a nice enough pen from China at a fraction of the cost that has no issues, why can't other pen makers get it right? After all Japanese car makers have a good reputation for making complex machines, so what is it about attitudes towards pen customers' and pen-reviewers rights, that makes it ok for Pilot and others to release sub-standard products? I think that sending the pen back will start to send a stern message back to the sloppy manufacturers (let's not kid ourselves, QC should be mandatory on these products), and that reputations should be on the line if the goods aren't fit for purpose out of the box.
Have to be honest.... For the cost, for being a Flagship pen from a company with the type of background Pilot has; such a pen simply should not need to be sent off so soon after receiving it, waiting and paying more on top of it. I was considering this pen. But after seeing another review in which similar issues were encountered, I think I'll pass on this one. Thank you for the review.
I’m really not sure they did. Some people have wildly different ink and writing preferences. If you like an excessively wet nib, slightly dryer (or less lubricated) ink, and write quickly (as he does), then some of those issues should be expected.
Moley, Moley, Moley LOLOL. Another nice review Dave. I never noticed the date stamp at the base of the nib until you pointed it out. Mine is a F and unlike your experience, it wrote perfectly right out of the box. I wonder if that is due to the nib size since your medium probably needs more ink flow than my F. I inked it with Kon-Peki which behaves nicely.
This is my fourth Pilot pen, after Elite 95s, CH92 and CH912. I bought it in broad nib and it is my least favourite Pilot nib. As for the pen...It's a bit of a pain to clean. They use the same section as on 912 but I feel 823 is less balanced. Talking about use on the planes, Pilot Elite 95s is the only pen that never leaks on the plane. But I'm not sure if that is true for my specific pen or for the model in general.
alex mood I’m looking at getting a CH912 or the C823 (in medium hard) Which has a better writing experience? I like smooth nibs with a nice wide line. I hate the gold trim on the 823 and the VAc filler doesn’t enamour me either. But I feel if I don’t get the 823 I’ll be missing out on something special . Which one do I get ? My daily rotation include a Lamy 2k, Pelikan M805 and a sailor 1911L..
@@KyleDavisMusic The pen was bought through a Japanese seller on eBay because the smoke version wasn't available in the US until recently. I had the pen shipped to FP Nibs in Spain where they plated the entire nib (you can easily pull the nib and feed out) and the gold trim. They did the same thing for the gold trim of the Custom 845 I also bought. I then had the pens shipped to me in the Dallas area.
@@pvs18 That's awesome - thanks for the heads up! I have a smoke color on its way from Amazon. Supposed to arrive Tuesday. I can't wait. First time with an 823...
super new to pens... was looking to buy one... completely turned down by your review. I mean the review is excellent as always but where I live we do not have these experts to properly tune the pens - so if I get one as you got then I am toast... wanted to buy this one but cannot take the risk i am afraid... might stick with a roller :)
I would take my experience as a very rare occurrence. I wouldn't worry to much about that. The quality is high on these pens. I have never experienced anything like that on any previous Pilot models or any after...and I own many. Chances would be very, very low for you to experience any issues.
Hi Dave, would you plan to have a review of the Pilot Custom 845 Urushi? It seems to be quite hard to find a good review of this pen on youtube, it would be awwwwwwesome if you can give it a review!
one question: for my (almost) first fountain pen after a bad experience many years ago with a Pelikan M100 medium (way to broad and wet for me). What would you recommend : the pilot custom 823 - fine/medium or Sailor 1911L fine/medium? Thanks a lot!
Thank you! I have a Pilot 74 which has the ink flow problem that you mentioned, and I am interested in the 823 now. Just in case it has the same problem, I will contact Mike.
Thanks , Great as always. Goulet says TWSBI is coming out with an updated Vac700 r. Do you think that may be a better bang for the Buck than this 823 ?
From what I understand, the changes to the Vac700 are purely internal, with a slight design alteration to the plunger mechanism. In regard best value...we're really talking about two drastically different price ranges. The 823 is more than 4x the cost of the Vac700. They both provide decent value, so it would boil down to what price range you are looking for. If you're looking for a sub-$100 pen, then the Vac700 is great...if you're looking for a $300 pen, then there aren't many better than the 823.
Figboot on Pens Thanks , I Can't afford the 823 , didn't realize they were so steep . Im starting to see that i like the broads & stubs better . Wish I knew that 6 months ago . 🤔
I'm not sure...but it's a wonderful pen. I would consider the issue I had to be out of the norm. In my experience, Pilot pens are typically great right out of the box.
It was more like they "consider" it to be the flagship, mainly because the 845 is a little tougher to come by in the US. On that note...I actually just purchased an 845 earlier this week. Can't wait for it to arrive.
There is an annual show in Philly each January. There is also a great show in Baltimore the first week of March. If you Google "pen show schedule" you can find a list of all the annual shows around the country.
One last newbie question. What’s the best way to shop a pen show? i.e Get there the first day? Hit up certain venders first? Are there discounts to be had? Will some venders bundle for discounts? - maybe this would be a great video project of you.....
I have a number of pen show recaps on my channel. Each touch a bit on these topics. If you check one out, it might give you a better idea of how to play your attack.
Pilot 823 ...pen for lifetime !!?? really? ...ask those who have cracked barrels.( without a single attempt to disassemble, without fall, without accident ) and that too within a months of use ! The plastic is junk, even if there occurs fall or minor accident it should sustain that, if no then why pay them that much amount ? My 2/5 $ pens sustained soo many falls n stepping for years n still fine.. Junk.
@Albert Puig exactly . The 823 is the " perfect " all rounder . i wished the girth was larger, but that's not a flaw , its a design. IF it was thicker , i would buy one in each colour and call it my grail. Now its just the best damn writer i own
Over the years I have learned so much from this gentleman ( Figboot ). Thank you so much for such professional quality presentations. RS. Canada.
The oversized ball on the clip is very functional. Beautiful or not is in the eye of the beholder.
Nice review - thank you. I've collected several Pilots and all have been perfect out of the box. I have an 823 in the Clear model. I'm usually not a fan of gold trim either, but somehow it looks great. Since U.S. retailers did not carry the Clear version, I bought from an excellent seller in Japan (no coupon codes, unfortunately, but good prices).
Good review. A pen I have used but do not own, my pen focus has not returned to Pilot, I am satisifed with the ones I have for now. Glad to hear Mike fixed your nib. Richard Binder did the same with my Omas. Hard to believe the magic a Nib Meister can do until one experiences it. Another of the wonderful adventures in the pen universe.
Hiya FigBoot, enjoyed this review and it was watched a number of times as this pen is on my radar. Feed... Pilot pens are a pain in the Aristotle.
I have a couple but the feed problem in particular was highlighted in the one needing good ink flow, my Pilot custom heritage 912 with F A nib, the feed just will not keep up and I bought this pen so the flex part will teach me NOT to press too hard which is a legacy from my old job where everything was done on these horrible triplicate self carbonising toilet paper forms,,, and having to use ball points to do the work. I ended up sending my 912 pen back and The Pen Chalet fixed everything up, the second one was a little better but Pilot has problems here.
The Heritage 823 is a lovely pen and I too like the. vacuum cleaning filling system (hahaha.) Demonstrator pens appeal to me and this being semi transparent, you can see the ink sloshing about. I didnt realize the date was on the nib!!! Thats something new to me.
Im enjoying your presrntations a lot, so thank you for your dedication and interest in the hobby also for taking the time to make and share.
Best wishes to all pen peoples.
LeZc
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SBRE BROWN! A classic, but modern ink. I'll be sad when it's gone too!
Pro tip:
The TWSBI Vac 700 piston fits inside this pen. How did I find out? Well my buddy had a broken Vac 700 and so he bought a new one. Well, months later, he bought this pen and decided to see if it would fit. So he took the Vac 700R piston rod and put it into this pen because it no longer has the tapered small o-ring on his pen so he doesn’t have to open the back cap. 👍🏻
After you had your pen tuned by a nibsmith, at an extra expense to you, the review became pointless. We (myself included) keep giving pen companies a pass for not doing the one thing pens are supposed to do well.
Three experts had to check your nib before getting it to work, it's ridiculous.
And yes, I had a faulty broad 823 nib too.
I have 11 gold nibbed Pilot pens. All of the Customs & Custom Heritage pens have required some work to get flowing well. Usually the issue is the tines are touching too tightly at the tip, which I fix myself with an index card between the tines. Some of them have arrived not writing at all, and as much as I love Pilot - the poor quality control is making it hard for me to recommend the pens to others without a warning like you included in your review. OUTSTANDING review and those close-up photos are amazing!
Thanks...appreciate it!
I love my medium Amber 823. Sorry to hear (and surprised) that you had a nib issue, but if anyone can correct one - it's Mike Masuyama. Not surprised that the nib is one of your favorites as I find Pilot nibs second only to those from OMAS. I found mine on eBay for just over $200 shipped which seems more than fair for a pen of this quality. Thanks for another fine review, David.
I really want this pen. It looks beautiful to me.
Thank you, David. I was initially concerned so thank you for addressing that. I think that this might be a pen I will seek out soon as it has many of the elements I enjoy from a major manufacturer.
It's definitely worth while. Now that I have it working better, it's a really special pen.
My favorite pen I have which does not seem to get much love on youtube, thanks for the review
The 823 is my favorite pen. However it wrote very dry for about the first 3 months or so. Now it writes just fine. Great review.
Nib anda section of Pilot Custom is the same that the nib of Pilot Bamboo.
Custom is very nice; I like It.
I belive that this pen is better that Mont Blanc 146. Japanese pens are very good.
Antonio, from Alicante, Spain.
The 823 is my favorite pen. The nib feedback isn't as nice as some Sailors I've used, but other than that, my 823 is very close to perfection
I agree on the comments about the silver coloured trim. I would prefer to buy a clear or smoke version with silver coloured trim if I could, and that has held me off from buying one so far. When buying a luxury item like this I want it to be exactly as I prefer, but I wouldn't be suprised if I end up buying one with the gold coloured trim eventually because it is after all mostly for the writing experience.
THREE nib meisters needed to fix this pen! Wow. I realize this is an old video. Hope Pilot has solved such issues in the meantime. Beautiful pen, but at that price it is simply out of my budget for wants, not needs, and at least now I know I wouldn't take the risk, either. I'll stick with my clear Kakuno.
I would categorize this as a very rare mystery issue, and not something which should be used to judge Pilot as a whole. I own many high-end Pilot pens and this was the only issue I have ever had with one right out of the box.
Interesting about the date stamp. I ordered my 823 from Japan (via Amazon) and received in December 29 and it has 616 stamped at the base so it was only 6 months old.
Who is the gentleman who successfully tweaked this pen to have it perform as it should? I listened carefully but I am still not sure.
Mike Matsuyama (www.mikeitwork.com/)
@@FigbootonPens - Thank you kindly!
Great review as usual. It's too bad that your pen didn't perform well out of the box. I actually just received my 823 with FA nib a few days ago, and it was perfect right away. Very smooth xf/f lines, easily flexing up to broad or beyond. It also seems to have avoid3d the flow issues that 912 and 743 FA pens generally have, though i need to test it more to be sure. I got mine in clear, and I think the gold accents it perfectly. It's my new favorite pen. The only problem is that it's so perfect, I now need the amber...
Thanks...I recently ordered a 912 with a FA nib...so we'll see how it works out.
So you like vacuum cleaners... Why don't you tell us how it all started, David. You need to open yourself in order for me to help...
Well, it all started when I saw this Dyson commercial...
I really feel that if Dyson ever made a fountain pen, it would be the best thing ever.
Rachel Ingalls 😂
This is the best pen for the money
I really feel reviewers are being far too lenient with the manufacturers' lax quality control on their 'flagship' pens. (And far too ready to spend yet more hard-earned cash to getting that recalcitrant pen to do what it was designed to do out of the box. And not all of us have access to specialist nib-wizards and trade-show experts). When you can but a nice enough pen from China at a fraction of the cost that has no issues, why can't other pen makers get it right? After all Japanese car makers have a good reputation for making complex machines, so what is it about attitudes towards pen customers' and pen-reviewers rights, that makes it ok for Pilot and others to release sub-standard products? I think that sending the pen back will start to send a stern message back to the sloppy manufacturers (let's not kid ourselves, QC should be mandatory on these products), and that reputations should be on the line if the goods aren't fit for purpose out of the box.
Hello Maurice Gold : You sure are correct. Thank you. RS. Canada
Have to be honest.... For the cost, for being a Flagship pen from a company with the type of background Pilot has; such a pen simply should not need to be sent off so soon after receiving it, waiting and paying more on top of it. I was considering this pen. But after seeing another review in which similar issues were encountered, I think I'll pass on this one. Thank you for the review.
They sold a defective pen. Pilot should have paid Masuyama's work.
I’m really not sure they did. Some people have wildly different ink and writing preferences. If you like an excessively wet nib, slightly dryer (or less lubricated) ink, and write quickly (as he does), then some of those issues should be expected.
Moley, Moley, Moley LOLOL. Another nice review Dave. I never noticed the date stamp at the base of the nib until you pointed it out. Mine is a F and unlike your experience, it wrote perfectly right out of the box. I wonder if that is due to the nib size since your medium probably needs more ink flow than my F. I inked it with Kon-Peki which behaves nicely.
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I also have the F nib version and it writes dry. and I restrict it to only wetter running inks I'll be opening up the tines sometime soon.
I literally ordered this pen two days ago.
Congrats! I'm sure you'll enjoy it...it's pretty special.
Lovely review! My compliments!
Does this pen write smoothly compared to a Nakaya, which has a bit of tooth?
This is my fourth Pilot pen, after Elite 95s, CH92 and CH912. I bought it in broad nib and it is my least favourite Pilot nib. As for the pen...It's a bit of a pain to clean. They use the same section as on 912 but I feel 823 is less balanced.
Talking about use on the planes, Pilot Elite 95s is the only pen that never leaks on the plane. But I'm not sure if that is true for my specific pen or for the model in general.
alex mood I’m looking at getting a CH912 or the C823 (in medium hard)
Which has a better writing experience? I like smooth nibs with a nice wide line.
I hate the gold trim on the 823 and the VAc filler doesn’t enamour me either. But I feel if I don’t get the 823 I’ll be missing out on something special .
Which one do I get ?
My daily rotation include a Lamy 2k, Pelikan M805 and a sailor 1911L..
I wish this came with silver-colored trim! I'd buy that in a heartbeat!
I don't think you're alone in that wish...
@@KyleDavisMusic I actually got a smoke 823 and had the gold trim plated with rhodium a couple years ago.
@@pvs18 Where'd you get that done?
@@KyleDavisMusic The pen was bought through a Japanese seller on eBay because the smoke version wasn't available in the US until recently. I had the pen shipped to FP Nibs in Spain where they plated the entire nib (you can easily pull the nib and feed out) and the gold trim. They did the same thing for the gold trim of the Custom 845 I also bought. I then had the pens shipped to me in the Dallas area.
@@pvs18 That's awesome - thanks for the heads up! I have a smoke color on its way from Amazon. Supposed to arrive Tuesday. I can't wait. First time with an 823...
excellent review. Keep them coming
Thanks!
Well...my custom 91 doesn't t exactly need a microscope to see how obvious the scuffs and wear is. They show your pens are well loved.
Indeed. The wear really doesn't bother me. Pens are meant to be used...and loved.
super new to pens... was looking to buy one... completely turned down by your review. I mean the review is excellent as always but where I live we do not have these experts to properly tune the pens - so if I get one as you got then I am toast... wanted to buy this one but cannot take the risk i am afraid... might stick with a roller :)
I would take my experience as a very rare occurrence. I wouldn't worry to much about that. The quality is high on these pens. I have never experienced anything like that on any previous Pilot models or any after...and I own many. Chances would be very, very low for you to experience any issues.
@@FigbootonPens thanks a bunch for your fast reply!
Hi Dave, would you plan to have a review of the Pilot Custom 845 Urushi? It seems to be quite hard to find a good review of this pen on youtube, it would be awwwwwwesome if you can give it a review!
I read this comment in Hal's voice.
one question: for my (almost) first fountain pen after a bad experience many years ago with a Pelikan M100 medium (way to broad and wet for me). What would you recommend : the pilot custom 823 - fine/medium or Sailor 1911L fine/medium? Thanks a lot!
Great review! May I ask where do you get the tuning from? I am interested in this pen and heard about the ink flow inconsistency as well.
There are many good nibmeisters out there...but I used Mike Masuyama and was very pleased. www.mikeitwork.com/nibrepair.html
Thank you! I have a Pilot 74 which has the ink flow problem that you mentioned, and I am interested in the 823 now. Just in case it has the same problem, I will contact Mike.
How does this pen compare to Justus 95? I was torn between the two, but decided to go with the clear model of the 823.
I feel that's a good choice. While I care for the Justus 95, in my opinion, the 823 is the stronger pen.
Thanks for the quick response, I love your channel. Keep up the good work!
I was kinda disappointed you didn't go on a huge tangent about vacuum cleaners XD
Thanks , Great as always. Goulet says TWSBI is coming out with an updated Vac700 r. Do you think that may be a better bang for the Buck than this 823 ?
From what I understand, the changes to the Vac700 are purely internal, with a slight design alteration to the plunger mechanism. In regard best value...we're really talking about two drastically different price ranges. The 823 is more than 4x the cost of the Vac700. They both provide decent value, so it would boil down to what price range you are looking for. If you're looking for a sub-$100 pen, then the Vac700 is great...if you're looking for a $300 pen, then there aren't many better than the 823.
Figboot on Pens Thanks , I Can't afford the 823 , didn't realize they were so steep . Im starting to see that i like the broads & stubs better . Wish I knew that 6 months ago . 🤔
Heritage?
I will be sad too when SBRE brown is gone ....
It's available again...and in significantly larger bottles.
The review is good but what’s up with your writing??
Dear Figboot, do you know what exactly was the problem with this pen?
I'm not sure...but it's a wonderful pen. I would consider the issue I had to be out of the norm. In my experience, Pilot pens are typically great right out of the box.
You say people consider this the Pilot flagship, but wouldn't that be the Custom 845?
It was more like they "consider" it to be the flagship, mainly because the 845 is a little tougher to come by in the US. On that note...I actually just purchased an 845 earlier this week. Can't wait for it to arrive.
Ah, gotcha. FWIW, I just received my 845 (the vermilion, no less!), and it's fabulous. You'll love it.
Figboot on Pens please do a review for the 845! Please!
What was the turnaround time with Mike's nib work? Thank you
MeshRoun It was around two months. Check out his site, I believe he typically says on there what his current turnaround time is.
Where do I find people in my area who can fine tune a nib?
Thank you. I’m new but fully appreciate the fountain pen culture. I’m in SE PA. I’m sure we have a pen show near Philadelphia
There is an annual show in Philly each January. There is also a great show in Baltimore the first week of March. If you Google "pen show schedule" you can find a list of all the annual shows around the country.
One last newbie question. What’s the best way to shop a pen show? i.e Get there the first day? Hit up certain venders first? Are there discounts to be had? Will some venders bundle for discounts? - maybe this would be a great video project of you.....
I have a number of pen show recaps on my channel. Each touch a bit on these topics. If you check one out, it might give you a better idea of how to play your attack.
I just got one of these last week
How do you like it?
Oops! Mine was tuned at the company that sold it to me. It is the perfect size for my hand.
Figboot on Pens very much. It has all the qualities I like in a pen. Also mine came with a bottle of Pilot blue ink.
Oooo. Orange t shirt.
Grail pen. Period.
Pilot 823 ...pen for lifetime !!?? really? ...ask those who have cracked barrels.( without a single attempt to disassemble, without fall, without accident ) and that too within a months of use !
The plastic is junk, even if there occurs fall or minor accident it should sustain that, if no then why pay them that much amount ? My 2/5 $ pens sustained soo many falls n stepping for years n still fine..
Junk.
@Albert Puig exactly . The 823 is the " perfect " all rounder . i wished the girth was larger, but that's not a flaw , its a design. IF it was thicker , i would buy one in each colour and call it my grail. Now its just the best damn writer i own