1228 All About Crystal Batteries And How To Make Them Without All The Tedious Messing About
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Crystal batteries use magnesium sulphate (Epsom salt) with other enhancements such as alum and borax as the electrolyte. The Epsom salt (MgSO4·7H2O) has seven water molecules which I suspect keeps it active in the solid state, particularly when packed very tight. I followed the craze and made one with LaserSaber’s recipe that ran an LED continuously without a joule thief for over a year, after which all I did was disassemble, clean off the electrode and copper pipe, reassemble and it ran for another year. The magnesium core was maybe 10% thinner and the copper pipe turned green. I reused the crystal mix. I broke it up, remixed and repacked it with a small amount of water. I’m sure I could repeat and keep recycling the same materials for a very long time.
This was a good one Rob! You put into words something I some what understood but could never really explain correctly.. Always love to hear about batteries from you.. Carry on my friend!
cheers mate
not at all , he totally ignores the karpen Piles he made or does so on purpose and using 2 carbon based materials proves him wrong .. not a galvanic cell ! Go ahead ..
Piss in a bucket and put charcoal and a pencil
then add cement and thats it
Fascinating stuff Rob. You have taught me more in one video than 57 years life. (About electricity that is ) thanks mate.
wow - that's a nice thing to say mate - cheers
oh well not at all , he totally ignores the karpen Piles he made or does so on purpose and using 2 carbon based materials proves him wrong .. not a galvanic cell ! Go ahead ..
Piss in a bucket and put charcoal and a pencil
then add cement and thats it
DOPE THE CRYSTAL WITH GRAPHINE NANO TUBES TO REDUCE RESISTANCE.
Thank You for Explaining this so very well, for the first time in ages I understood how a battery works!!
And, I will be able to remember it as well! 🙂Andrea, Jasper and George the Pigeon. XxX.
awesome - i am glad it helped and that you enjoyed it
To improve the amps, simply build the volts with your earth battery. Then hook your earth battery to another battery or a solar panel wired in parallel. Wiring in series adds volts, like your earth battery and wiring in parallel adds amperage or current. The secret to making earth batteries useful will be mixing them with excellent sources for amps. A small modern battery has massive amps compared to your earth battery. So, build all the cheap volts in earth batteries and use a small battery to add amps into your circuit.
This is the kindest version of saying “congratulations; you made a drycell battery” I’ve ever seen. Top drawer.
Absolutely love that disclaimer at the end where you said you go with lasersabre's explanation because it makes sense to you within your current understanding of chemistry in relation to galvanic corrosion but that you are open to the idea that you may not undestand all there is to know, which given your expertise on the subject is extremely humble of you and makes my respect for you as a scientist even greater than it already was (for what its worth lol).
wow - thank you mate - but honestly i only think what i think i can't say i know
Yes
Great explanation and pleased to hear you drop a few classic TH-camr channel names in there. I hope people go and look them up and see the work they did for us all 😊👍
You and me both!
yea great he judges others work over decades and like with hutchinson its just him not being smart enough and more so very judgmental Rob
not at all , he totally ignores the karpen Piles he made or does so on purpose and using 2 carbon based materials proves him wrong .. not a galvanic cell ! Go ahead ..
Piss in a bucket and put charcoal and a pencil
then add cement and thats it
Great explanation Robert, i now really understand batteries.
I didn't know that about plaster of Paris and cells. It got me thinking though, I made aerated plaster of Paris as a possible interconnecting back stop to stop arrows without damaging them. If you added something conductive to the plaster of Paris then aerated it you would have effectively made a conductive doing to absorb electrolyte maybe reducing the resistance?
yeah - nice thinking mate - I like it - going to look at this if that's ok
@@ThinkingandTinkering Ok? I'd be flattered! I keep hearing about cement batteries as buildings of the future and my thoughts a while back was maybe it would be possible to increase Portland cements conductivity by adding graphene then make an aerated mix from that. I had tiny little hollow conductive graphene spheres in a matrix of conductive Portland as a house/ battery of the future?
@@HergerTheJoyous hemp graphene please
two things can cause conductivity. ... in a wire it's electrons moving , but in an electrolyte solution it's the far larger ions that contribute to the conductivity... and If the flow of ions is blocked the cell will stop working.
indeed I would expect adding say copper powder would be somewhat akin to a wire shorting between battery terminals. also would expect self discharge to increase .
regarding aerated plaster of paris... I would have thought there would be an minimum optimum size for holes. along lines of tubes that have a diameter small enough that surface tension holds the electrolyte in place. or a mesh like structure so that electrolyte sticks.
aerogels might be perfect. aerogell production usually needs high pressure during production. even in "thin wall", small diameter tubes can hold very high pressures. Aerogel could be cast ast in stitu... avoiding problems removing it from casing... something like AA size may work very well?
would still be good to check if reality matches theory
They seem like a decent emergency battery setup. String a few together and charge your phone. . . slowly, but charge it nonetheless. Robert Murray-Smith, would you recommend a "better" diy battery for emergency situations, or at least one that may be just as easy to set up but perhaps provide more power?
Awsome description of the situation at hand 😁 with fundamental value. That might perhaps even beca ten on acute👍
Was contemplating a quarts generator when I hit play and understood what your tittle was about, loved it, thank you
i am glad you liked it mate - cheers
What an absolute treat you have given us today. Thanks very much. Update sent
cheers mate I am away for the weekend but wil have alok monday if that's ok
@@ThinkingandTinkering me too mate . Enjoy. At your leisure
a few years back now i spent months researching these batteries only to draw the same conclusions you have....im now into solar because it gives results quick and fast without needing to reinvent the wheel and its just so practical to have no moving parts and long life span and sooooo many potential applications to where to put panels of all sizes.
I developed OEM equipment for the semiconductor industry about ten years ago. At that time, solar panels required more energy to produce than the panel can generate in it's lifetime. Solar panels certainly have a purpose, but I don't believe them to be a true alternative energy source.
@@jonblackburn5934 panels have improved a lot in recent years
Please how can resuscitate my solar battres
Yep Galvanic corrosion. found a old and a good book on this. by a american Hoakes. a book used by presious metal refiners. and the reactivity index of metals. when in the presence of a acid or a base. Iron swaps with copper, copper swaps with silver, silver swaps with gold. ect
sounds lieka book worth a read mate
Very cool explanation Rob, it helps me understand some things better.
i am glad to hear that mate
THAT AWESOME INFO THERE ROBERT. THANK YOU!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it mate
The oldest crystal battery is over 250 years old. It was made in england I was trying to find the rest of the info and if I do I will post it. Last I knew it was in the smithsonian museum. They are afraid to take it apart or cut into it because they don't want to ruin it. Its in a glass jar and still running. If i can find the information again I will post it here, I ran across it watching videos from most of the people you mentioned.
I think you might be thnking of the clarendon dry pile mate? anyway that is related to the zamboni pile - it's not really a crystal cell you know?
@@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks that was it, but the video I watched didn't show how it was made. When I watched some of the video on that, I got to wondering if your conductive ink would work, Then found the video that you did on that. love your videos, Thanks and keep making them.
Excellent video, very well explained. Thanks Rob.
cheers mate
thank you for the excellent explanations , love your work,keep it up!
Glad you like them!
Great explanation!!! What would happen if you provided your conductive ink to the mixture in order to provide less resistance?
Great topic. Looking forward for the next video.
Awesome, thank you!
Very informative, thanks
You're a class act Robert, nearly every other youtuber would just pee into a beaker. Keep up the great work.
I don't know what part of TH-cam you found those on but...enjoy lmao
IM LAUGHING MY HEAD OFF BECAUSE IV TRIED PISS AS AN ELECTROLYTE. AND YES IT DID WORK,!! POORLY. : ( MAYBE IF I DRANK A LOAD VINEGAR IT MIGHT HAVE WORKED BETTER BUT I WOULD HAVE BEEN SICK JUST FOR A TINY FEW MILIAMPS
It might just be a factor of efficiency. Normal urea is only 4 to 8% of urine with other impurities. He wants a solution of probably 33% minimum. He is definitely a gentleman scholar though.
@@prevengeix8551
Not asking to offend.
However: would freezing it or distillery increase urea to 33%.
I ask because what else can you do if nothing else is available.
lol - wow cheers mate
Ok, a year later, I watched this video again and still laughed out loud again when you said, "to illustrate"
Cheers Rob that was very interesting 👍🏻
There are some new microcontrollers operating in the uA range EG the C8051F98x operates at 150uA per MHz. Standby is 10nA. So these batteries might work for decades if you are clever with your code so you can drop the clock rate. Some code can work with the old 32KHz watch crystals. They would be self discharging faster than using the power.
it would be a strange world, "honey the clocks stopped working" "ah it makes sense, my grandfather last changed it, hold on let me go pee into a cup"
that is cool to be honest
Can you do a video on your thoughts about solar panel efficiency and possible solutions to drastically improve it
That's a cool science project for the kids. I'd be interested in how you would build a sterling motor
i have built a couple mate and done vids on the builds
Could you link the video that’s next you were referring to at the end?
Also what of the iron-phosphate crystal?
I do wonder if you add some graphite to it would you get more volts?
as long as you don't short the cathode and anode
very well explained
Glad you think so!
Awesome! Look forward to seeing next video, very interesting and useful, thanks! 👏
to be honest mate - I think the next one is fun for sure
Agreed
Excellent, thanks.
cheers mate
I like the alum batteries, and you can use carbon and aluminum in those batteries. But carbon felt may be a good carbon electrode. But the galvanic voltage is good. Galvanic of lead and aluminum was as high as 3.7v in an alum battery but it had low storage capacity and evaporated too quickly. And the quirk of it was you could put a high voltage on it at a very low current and seemingly it would put out higher amperage.
Did voltage stay the same.
@@reypolice5231 I think it would drop as the water evaporating or as plates would sulfate. For some reason the lead plate would sulfate or something and keep it from charging up after serveral charge and discharge cycles.
Thanks for the tips!
@@travismoore7849
Thank you.
You've invented a new solid medium: pee-laster of paris.
Magnesium shavings are easy to come by and with some thoughts put into the build would offer some decent amps due to the huge surface area!
Incorporating into sorell cement would yeild a decent output too !
for sure mate
not at all , he totally ignores the karpen Piles he made or does so on purpose and using 2 carbon based materials proves him wrong .. not a galvanic cell ! Go ahead ..
Piss in a bucket and put charcoal and a pencil
then add cement and thats it
@@cassdroid2183the other aspect is that quartz and other piezo electric cells can hold an insane amount of energy because of resonance and per Hutchison effect can be jump resonated by high voltage (20,000v) the galvanic component is only half of the equation when done correctly
What this guy is doing is basically just using the crystal substrate as a semi conducting ion partition which only makes a shitty battery
Soon I will prove a crystal tritium high voltage piezo resonance concept to put this to rest
Thankyou so much for this Robert, I usually share your excellent films onwards. Most memorable was when you replaced the lead sheets in a car battery with your home made carbon sheets, and just as commentator AM said you have taught me more in one video than (add age here) years life.
Just had a brainwave idea for more public conveniences, built with cob blocks, plastered in lime mortar using urine to power it, tap it into a grid and along with kinetic pavements & roads it could be used for the greater good of whatever community has one.
question rob , when i stick a match i lit and blew out and a piece of charcoal from the grill ... in the lemon or potato .... what happens ?
correct I got 0.1 Volt and it will stay there .... am i loosing charcoal or charred match ?
Ok so when I stick again graphite and another carbon in .... in a acid OR alkaline solution what happens ?
Where are my electrons going , they confused
you got one part right. but the energy can come from the difference of the strength between the metals(poles) that also can produce the Energie, but at a lower 20millis amps average(natural free amps)
This had me thinking that this is in someway similar to thermoelectric devices (TEG). You can have 2 wires, each made of different metals (iron/aluminum), add heat and you get a current. Just wondering about the similarity between what you've described and how it relates to the importance of having 2 different metals in thermoelectrical setups as well. Going back to your bigger magnet analogy for crystal batteries, but trying to see how that applies to TEGs.
There are charts you can search for metal thermal conductivity and how it relates in peltier plates and such. If you looking at thermal output from a slow chemical reaction you could probably even combine the 2.
@ joe cruggle
Interesting point: can it be increased by heat or Cold?
If you put one end at the bottom and one at the top instead of sideways heat at bottom and ice bag at top it may improve things.
You may need to case it in plaster to help this happen.
i like this question mate and it desrves a better answer than a quick post - i will give it some thought and see about a video on this topic - is that ok?
@@ThinkingandTinkering Fantastic! Looking forward to it. Thanks, Robert.
thanks i needed that
Do the lead crystal batteries require special Chargers?
Dust Bunny Battery? Mr grandmother said, You can sell some people the dirt off your floor. Well, Using a filter sheet with tap water, Magnesium (8cm strip)/ Carbon felt gives 1.7 Volts, but only 0.12Ma with Dust from the floor on the filter, the same gives 1.7 Volts, and 2.0 Ma. With more magnesium and more carbon felt, I'm sure to get more current. I would like to compare this with the "Secret" crystal cell mixes.
With the heat generator, can I just ask, will the copper wires not separate when they heat up?
Hi Robert ....Would you like to here a fun story .....John Hutchison started all this when he showed these things (crystal power cell) on a Tellevision show ...one that I just happen to watch and he didn't tell how to make them ....well it struck me that i should try to make them just to see if I could ...well after about 6 months of research on materials and background on such tings as this ..like it is an extension of Thomas Townsand Brown's work ...I was able to build some (crystal power cells ) ...they are more like an electret than a galvanic cell ...now the fun part ...My Brother whent to the Bidini Energy conference in Idaho and ask me if he could take some of my notes and pictures too show what we had been working on ...well needless to say they took alot of interest in the cells including John Bidini ....which was fine I told my Brother to share it ...the way to make them and the materials that were used . now others have changed the materials that are being used ...they probably are galvanic now ...mine however are not ..they are made with dielectric materials and a small amount of semiconducting material and bound with a piezoelectric ....you heat the thing up through the Curie point and polarized with an electric current and allowed to cool down at that point it has a permanent electric field .....
interesting mate
Lasersabre is cool.have you ever done his super joule ringer circuit
yes mate
Thought you might use sorel cement in the electrolyte. Great video.
I have not heard of it? I'll look into it's normal uses and see what it could be tried in
That made me think about old building cuz they have brick layer and cement layer and another brick layer on top goes on like that like each layer was connected batteries with one another. And think about copper domes as anode and ground as cathode. What if those buildings constructed to produce electricity like batteries?
@@Equelan2 woah
@Rik rik okay thanks for the info, that is helpful to know.
@Rik rik now I have to see how thin a layer of it I can make and have it be conductive when it becomes dry and hardened!
I am wondering now the difference between vegetables whom grown on top of the soil and under the soil. Who's generating more power?
I wish i could give you more than one thumb up. Because what you sayed about crystal batteries are absolutely true. I made 8 crytal batteries each one is about one feet long metal pipes with a diameter of one inches zinc and 3/4 inches aluminum alloy i guess. As electrolye i used mixture of borax, epsom salt and alum. They indeed become a sticy solid electrolyte between my anod and cathode but they were only producing about 0,5V 7 mA dropped from 50 in the presence of a resistance. They are lighting a Led bulb but its very ineficient and costy way to harness energy with respect to earth batteries. I wonder if there is a way to use air as our electrolye. Giving electrons to move more easly than liquid ionic solutions. So we can increase amount of power we can extract from same materials with respect to using liquds or solid crytals as our electrolyte.
wow - thank you mate - anything could be an electrolyte as long as it allows ion movement
Quartz Tritium beta decay cell jumped by a high voltage resonance discharge
The ground breaking experiments are in high voltage resonance starters
People are making these things with hardware store materials you gotta go beyond zinc aluminum and all of these basic components
Make more use of geranium, gallium, quartz, ruby, tritium I’d like to get my hands on some osmium to see what can be done think outside the box
Also, if you build a bio-degradation battery using compost, you could have more voltage than you need...
Actually wood, and even better bamboo makes much stronger springs weight for weight that spring steels. That's why it's much better for bows.
I laughed out loud when you said about urine, "to illustrate" Too funny
Can you use two different carbons instead of two different metals would that be considered a karpen cell?
you would have made a great university professor
wow - thank you mate
You keep coming up with new and interesting ways to blow Hubby up, Lmao!!
Can't wait to see the next one!
I'm going to try and get him from Carlisle to Canterbury in Record Time!! (Well, Over...)
lol - that poor guy lol
Ahaha Brilliance more than any measurements. Love it brother
Can't stop laughing too watch rest, the pee part made me
you should try making a crystal battery with a super conducting ceramic instead of the plaster.
internal resistance, can be useful in assessing state of batteries, especially rechargables.
can calculate it by measuring what voltage the battery outputs open circuit... minimal current draw with a digital multimeter.. so resistance don't matter.
And then the voltage across a resistor shorting the batteries output. measured voltage is gonna be lower due to potential divider effect of the external resistor and internal resistance being in series.
internal resistance wastes energy of course. it's why batteries can get hot at large current draws.
cheers mate
I’ve read recently about Lead Crystal batteries for motor home house batteries as they have good/high current, can run to almost zero volts without damage, and upwards of 6 to 8 thousand recharge cycles. Are those batteries the same technology as you describe in this awesome video/description?
no mate they are different
They are lead crystal. And are the most expensive lead batteries per capacity. Which makes them not a good deal compared to AGM or Carbon Lead batteries.
"If I were to pee on this, it would do it."
You're awesome, friend! 🤣
very good explanation. your profession was a teacher? my schoolenglish has understand all. follow and like contunie ... regards from turkey
interesting, i always thought the electricity was coming from the lemon, when actually it's the decomposition of the anode and/or cathode, and it's those who are releasing ions for use? the more you know huh
indeed mate
Bedini had half amp cells at 5v
What if I used sandstone? Lots of crystal in sandstone. Make a large stationary battery?
Awesome, there is any way to make Hydrogen fuel cell (not hydrogen generator) with simple material we can found ? it's too complicated to make membrane so my question is there any way to make it at home
i would think it can be done mate
I've been working on a mechanical battery for a while, I wonder if ittl work better if i piss on it
Only one way to find out.
lol - well i am with Mike on this one mate
Most people who make crystal batteries wet the crystal. Obviously that is a galvanic reaction. But have you heard of Marcus Reids crystal cells. He has had them under load for 20 years with minimal corrosion and tiny power drop. And under analysis a portion of the output is unexplained.
Didnt john bedini reuse the lead plates from used 12 volt automotive batt...in some of those crystal batteries.? He also did a strange pulse charge. He says he was going to disclose some of his crystal battery material. I don't know if he did. I guess to some that was the magical part. Although Rick I think did downplay some of John's work.
I wanna make a whole room full of these and power my house XD
And pee everywhere 😁
Well, if you step it up with a transformer to a motor, connect the motor's rotor to that of an alternator's (or just slap a large stator to the motor itself), and then connect the alternator's stator back into the motor to drive current into it, there's no reason why you couldn't have that motor moving until the parts wear out or the crystal batteries expand too much to drive useful pressure into voltage. Pulling a simple lawn mower string or a bit of leather strap that's wrapped around the motor's rotor would suffice to initially send current to the motor. Any battery with decent voltage would work; it's just that organic batteries are sustainable so - why not? The real question is, does a more efficient organic battery exist to drive a voltage for current to travel on, later in the circuitry of an engine system than that of crystal batteries? Notice I didn't ask if there's one that drives higher amps - just voltaic potential is all that's necessary. If you don't believe it then say hi to the other "scientists" at church for me, because I won't be there. I don't believe in scientific ideas; I know them firsthand. And, I encourage you to do the same. After all, that's what a real scientist would do.
The questions is if I make a fan in a fluxmotor and it run with 111 rpm in 6 years with the Cristal battery! And what drive a WAVT in a kenetics battary mode you can boozt this in a few times with suncells how power a middle charge supercaps. wich move in higer speed on demand! how near is we a Silverbullet?
I am sorry mate - i don't understand what you mean - i see you are amamber - want to write a fuller query to me?
so when the metal decompose they produce gas like hydrogen so producing hydrogen with salt water in a hydrogen generator is the hydrogen caused by the water or the metal or both
Have you heard about the latest excitement about solid state batteries? Apparently we found out accidentally than sandwiching a stable electrolyte between 2 unstable layer, solve the problem that made solid state impractical
awesome
can u make a capacitor that is long thin and flexible? ie; a wire capacitor?
likely with ur secret sauce.... Im predicting some great things from this wire.
for sure mate - quiet a few have been made a a fair few research papers are around on it
Enlighten me someone, is their a reason regular table salt wouldn't work in water? Or other salts like H-pink salt?
Work in what way?
@@mikebond6328 As an electrolyte. If that's the word for it, use the salt water in the same way he used the fake urine?
Yes regular salt water will work as an electrolyte. The point he was trying to make is that many things will work as an electrolyte, some better than others. The faster the electrolyte can carry the electrons, the faster you can get the power out and the more power can be used in a shorter span of time.
@@mikebond6328 Okay thank God, I thought my basic understanding was flawed. Many substances can be used but we're looking for one with the least resistance
Regular salt will work but it's extremely dangerous. Because Clorine ions in your electrolye gonna stick to H atoms making lots of HCI. That is hydrocloric acid in your water and it can burn your lung cells inside out if you breathe its steam in. It also irritates eyes and damages your eye cells by making your mucous acidic. I remmoend to use bases instead of Acids. Also NaOH or KOH can be dumped to your garden as a fertilizer once you have done with your experiment.
I always thought Egyptians used urine for their Baghdad batteries.
"If I were to pee on this it would do it..."
"In order to illustrate that"
Me: :O
Why don't we just use all the nuclear waste plants as nuclear battery power plants ? Maybe it releases the radioactivity to the environment? Nice video!!!
I took it 1 degree beyond a full circle.
awesome
thanks for this lol video i love it ..truth
what about the earth battery?
Thanks for that Rob. Glad you didn't pee on the potato.
crossed my mind mate
Well, there is another construct but I wasn't able at the time able to do it. Plus I was a lad of 15 and didn't have the knowledge to do it. If you can create a matrix of quartz in alignment. Then it will generate power. How much I can't say. But it's sort of like the super caps as far as the layering. The way it generates power is due to the piezoelectric principle by taking the surrounding waves like wireless, radiation, solar winds, cosmic radiation,etc,. What happens it isolation the crystal matrix and the result is power generation. As anything too much is likely to destroy the matrix and thus it stops working. Too little it doesn't do all that much. Well, on paper this was as far as I was able to take it as a lad but never looked at it again. But I guess you could make a battery just as they made those crystal batteries using granite which does work from what I have heard. But the problem with using that is the radioactive delay that seems to occur.
ok - cheers
Could you make a pee battery to charge a mobile phone in the wilderness if you took the right materials with you
Haha you gonna need lots of cups. They are easy to find. Lots of wires. You maybe need to bring some wires before going to wilderness. Lets say you did that. You gonna need two different metal put in each cup that's the hardest part cuz in the wilderness if you can find a piece of metal you can consider yourself lucy. Lets say you break your car and grab some metal parts with different elecronegativity and then you gonna need lots of electrolyte to fill up all cups. You may need help from your friends to increase volume of electrolyte and they can add their electrolytes into pee battery to charge the mobile phone.
@@Equelan2 I'm thinking 5 people and 10 cans of beer😂😂🥳
yes mate you could - the japanese have actually made an emergency battery that you pee on to activate it
Thanks Robert best regards to you mate🍺🍺
Respect for the channel name drops..;D
no worries mate
what if some water batterie was super conductive, per alignements of the atoms(and some nano particle in tab water)...ohhh
"Take some plaster of paris and pee on it." How often do you hear that in a normal day? :-)
Try the all new BOB PISS Battery
lol - or make one yourself mate lol
how about a caPISSator@@ThinkingandTinkering
3 harmonics at one time might light up your crystal
3 6 9
Use led crystal as the led is an amplifier
Hmm human battery in progress ;) 70% water..
Amp hours or Amp hours per gramme is not a unit of energy. Did you mean Watt hours?
ME PISSING INTO A BUCKET of plaster of paris: WHOOOPS! LOOKS LIKE I ALMOST MADE A BATTERY THERE! *drops a copper penny* "WELL I'VE COME THIS FAR, MIGHT AS WELL GO GET A STRIP OF MAGNESIUM AND BE DONE WITH IT"
lol
Bedini ripped me off and claimed it for himself john hutchinson perfected it though
i am sorry to hear that mate
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Amp hours per gram? At what voltage? Amp hours per gram is not a power measure!
Good grief, First I heard about some metal on metal action and then magnets sucking each other up , I wondered what sort of video I came across for a moment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
lol - science is nothing with out humour mate lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering it doesn't hurt to have a good laugh lol
AT LAST! Crystal batteries = piss on a potato. No woo-woo.
rob peed in a jar and told us it was artificial, im on to you rob