If it's earthed properly it's about as safe as you can get. They wear Faraday suits to work on power lines. I'd rather the current go through the metal around me than it going through my body.
@@EddieTheHthe problem is mains power wont just go through the surface of the armor even if grounded unless every piece has a good connection to the next you have a high risk of the electricity passing through your body in search fora path to ground. The Faraday suits those guys wear are specially designed to carry current evenly and the wearer is wearing an insulating layer underneath for more protection.
In Australia this technology is used in motel electric jugs The advantage is that if the jug boils dry it stops working without damage. The disadvantage is it’s a lot slower than a resistance coil. The jug uses stainless steel electrodes The water tastes normal
Problem with stainless steel is that it sometimes contains chromium. The ions or atoms of which you really really absolutely DON'T want to ingest in your cuppa tea.
Haha! This tech is actually old hat as nearly any kid that was in boarding school can tell you. We used it by wiring up a fork and a spoon to a plug and tying it to a piece of wood to keep it about an inch apart. Make sure it does not touch the receptacle your water is in and viola! boiling water in a trice. Thanks, I enjoy your channel a lot.
Just an important FYI - most variacs do NOT provide safety isolation. They are constructed as variable auto-transformers. One of the output leads is directly connected to one of the inputs. The other connects to the variable tap which will be at any potential between the two inputs but without isolation. A separate mains isolation transformer in addition to the variac would be my recommendation.
I think he was using it to control the voltage and because it had internal over current protection. You’re right though, variacs do not isolate from ground.
@deltab9768 Not to be critical, and maybe you simply mistyped, but the point was it is their lack of isolation from the mains which presents a danger to the user.
@@GodmanchesterGoblin what I mean is that mains electricity is referenced to earth. The “neutral” terminal is grounded. That means you can complete the circuit and get electrocuted by touching the live terminal while also touching any random grounded object (dirt, a body of water, damp wood or concrete, metal framing of a building, etc) As far as I know this is the most significant hazard that would be removed by using an isolation transformer instead of a variac or in addition to it. The hazard of electrocution by touching both terminals (or touching water with a voltage gradient across it) would still be there. The overcurrent hazard (which is explicitly stated as what the variac is supposed to protect against) would still be there. If I’m missing something else let me know.
In Rural Georgia our Dumass Effect is... when you hear your husband pull up and he's got a free water heater in the back of the pickup truck he found on the side of the road. What he didn't know is that people put out free water heaters because the replaceable sacrificial anode never got replaced, wore out, and they've rusted out and now leak. But it's free, so, yeah, you can't go wrong with free. New permanent lawn ornament in your yard. Thanks to the Dumass Effect.
Dear Sir, I just wanted to drop a line to thank you for a terrific explanation of this whole process. You really have a gift as a teacher and your enthusiasm is positively contagious.
Ok - so is this whole experiment about a speed? IF i boil 1 litre with 1000 Watts for a minute with 2000Watts then i will need 10.000 Watts of power to boil it in 12 seconds :) - what do i get?
Way back in 1970, my wife had a hair curler/roller kit that used this method. The curler would heat up with the steam produced and she would wrap her hair around the curlers, and there you have it. It worked well, but it wasn't free energy. Had to descale it with distilled vinegar. .
@@dontimberman5493 I disassembled my wife's because it was working poorly after awhile. It had two separate electrodes in a tank of water. Each one connected to the mains. They were covered in minerals, I filled the tank with distilled vinegar to dissolve the minerals and it started working again. No heater element in hers.
I remember electric jugs with two plates separated by about 1/4". Great advantage was no exposed element to burn out when the water got too low. I now wonder about the metals that got dissolved into the water ?.
Seems to work like the electrode boiler. I recall seeing big one fitted in a large building in London in the early 1970’s. That one worked on three phase AC.
When I was an apprentice 55 - 60 years ago one of the guys connected a TV antenna connector to a couple of electrical wires, connected it to the net and put it in a cup with water. It worked fine as an instant water heater.
Before you said Peter Dave's name I was thinking about how the Dunas Effect is similar to what Peter made. It's the same thing. I've wanted to know how he did it for more than a decade now I know. Thank you so much for this. I'm like Dumas I'd rather give things away.
Hi, Big Clive did the same experiment some years with something he got online from China, It used two stainless steel plates and it boiled water in a cup to make tea, there was a bigger one for a Bath !!!
I can remember many years ago, we used to have an open wound electric element on a kettle and when the element eventually broke, it would still continue to boil water, but it took much longer. The same type of effect as this.
safety note:- most variacs DON'T isolate from mains, they are merely autotransformers and so at high settings especially you are directly connected to mains with litte or no impedance between you and mains at all. For isolation purposes, you must preceed them with an isolation tranformer (suitably rated)
I Iike this subthread! As a dabbler in solar at 600v DC and 3kW PV inverters I have two questions (for you guys, and Robert): 1. What do we make of Robert's assertion "at the level of the cell...there will be *NO* electrolysis [or evolution of gas]"? 2) This resonance thing. Are we all happy saying 50Hz cannot have any resonance effect? Surely in a container capable of reflecting compression waves, 50Hz could easily generate multiple resonant frequencies due to constructive and destructive interference?
@@simonmasters3295 Is this 50Hz sonic or electronic? Sonic 50Hz might be nicely resonant within a reasonable sized container (appx. A flat, first octave, fits in a piano), while 50Hz em will be gigantic (5,995.849 km, requires a small town).
Brilliant! Exactly what I needed, especially the suit of armor visual! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and humor. Peace, Love, Joy and Blessings to all. 🌄♥
As I understand it, microwave ovens use GHz resonance to heat water courtesy of water's dipolar nature. The Dumas effect just seems to be an uninsulated resistive heater.
About 40 years ago some scientists in Europe somewhere discovered that placing a length of brass tube about 4mm thick and about 100mm in diameter into liquid nitrogen. When they pulled it out they heard it resonating audibly. So they measured the frequency and then modified an amp and speaker to oscillate the tube at that frequency. The tube showed rapid temperature reduction until approaching the temperature of the liquid nitrogen. I think the show was called “beyond 2000” from Australia.
After you mentioned the Ohmic Array a year or two back I planned to try it out, and still intend to. Heatworks say that the current in the heaters is something like 100 amps, which is fine for plumbed-in instant heat but not fine for home experimenting. I did find a formula that related the sizes of the plates, the distance apart, and the resistivity/conductivity of the water with the current and amount of energy imparted into the water. I worked out that it would take around 40 minutes to heat a bath of water with a current limit of almost 13 amps (one of the standard fuse ratings in a UK plug), although I ignored heat loss from the water. I did acquire some cheap carbon-lead batteries but couldn't find cheap graphite plates, so whenever I get round to experimenting I'll use flattened tin material (oddly, most tins are bad conductors, but tins that have contained condensed milk have a different surface finish and are good conductors).
They do these with tubes with holes drilled in them to make steam, instead of hemispheres like this. Idk where they came from but my father taught me about it in the 80's as a small novelty to build in the shed. So I suspect it's older than we realise. There's nothing to do with resonance or magic, it's just cavitation. The 'ohmic' and the example you showed is just electric heating, the spinning hemisphere, etc, you'll notice the inner one has holes missing, that's causes the cavitation. It's better with cylinders because you push the water through it so it's way more effective.
I was born in New York lived in Cuba for a few years. In Cuba, people made water heaters like this using two different size tin cans, one inside the other and use a piece of rubber from a bike tube to separate the cans. Placed in a bucket of water it would heat the water quite fast! I purchased there an nicely made unit (I still have it) that looks like a water filter. Inside it has two stainless steel plates separated by a piece of rubber. Each plate is sustained from the top by a connector bolt. I tested the unit at home and it used a tremendous amount of energy compared to the standard heating element in my small water heater. I never installed the unit at home.
My physics teacher told that when he was just graduated, young engineer sometime back in sixties or seventies he got a task to solve a problem of a water heater this type. Heater was located somewhere in the basement of a quite a large building. I don't remember what exactly what he told the problem was, may be that from some sort of over pressure pipe was pushing some hot water out periodically or something. The room was a bit too dark so the young engineer tried to light up the place with cigarette lighter. In the water heater had a small pipe on the upper part of it and the pipe was closed by small valve, probably its purpose was to remove possible remaining air from the heater's container. He (the engineer) opened the valve just a little bit to see if there was air in the heater. He knew there supposed not be hydrogen nor oxygen in the heater but as he opened the valve, long bluish flame ignited from the end of the pipe. Fortunately he succeeded to close the valve immediately and the flame extinguished at once. My teacher told he was very lucky that the flame did not pull itself inside the heater, otherwise he would not be alive to tell the story for us. He reported about the danger for his superior and within an hour or something all this kind of heaters was shut down in entire country and manufacturers / importers started to withdraw all this type of heaters from the market. AFAIK, still today this type of heaters are prohibited in Finland due the risk of explosive gases generation.
If a heating element is totally immersed in water all of the energy it consumes and emits must be absorbed by the water. A very small amount might be conducted (thermally conducted) out down the wires but that will normally be negligible. Therefore ALL simple resistive water heaters are 100% efficient. This means that anyone claiming to have invented a better water heater (resonant or otherwise) is effectively claiming to have invented an over unity (>100% efficient) machine which isn't possible. What a lot of these "improved boilers" really do is only heat part of the tank, the water nearest the heating device, so you get localised boiling. Any boiler that puts energy into a smaller volume of water will boil that smaller volume faster. This makes it look like its heating the water faster. To do a proper test you need to stir the tanks to ensure all the heaters being compared are heating the same volume of water with the same amount of energy. Eg Apply a known amount of energy, then stop, stir the water thoroughly so it's a uniform temperature, and measure the increase in temperature produced. A microwave oven is less than 60% efficient so its far better to heat water in a kettle than a microwave oven. The exception being when you only want to heat a small amount of water eg less than needed to cover the element of the kettle.
Back in the 60's when I was in the RAF, we used to make our own mug water heaters. A couple of stainless steel knives, ''borrowed'' from the mess, with a piece of wood between the blades, thick enough so the handles don't touch, wrap insulating tape around the blades to hold them together, and pop the handles into a pint pot/mug of water! A cable with two crocodile clips, onto each blade and 220v plug on the other end. Plug in and switch on and in a minute or two you have a pot of boiling water. Remembering to switch off, and then remove the knives from the pot, and you can then add your tea or coffee! No resonance, patents or problems! Cost? Zero, as all the bits were scroungeable. .
It's a great understanding. Very little ever has to due with true resonance . Even electrically. Solid magnet's i have gotten to resonate using pulse Dc PWM module. I am reluctant to expand on my finding. Resonance without a way to harness is just noise. the geometry of ferrite does matter as well as distance. great video thank you as always.
My friend and I enjoy discuss concepts. I've since deployed the prophylactic strategy of asking him not to tell me if he manages to succeed at making an over-unity device, as a general principle. You can use it quietly in your own home, but not sell it. For selling, I suspect the rule of thumb is you can improve a product's efficiency by no more than 10% judging by available products whose inventors indicated awareness of certain principles, who then become respectfully quiet.
Man I have been thinking this would work for ages and I'm such a lazy bastard and I never tried it! As I'm watching your videos I'm realizing so many of the, as my friends and colleagues have put it "dumbass" ideas that I've had over the years are actually valid and that I need to do more than just thinking and start tinkering! Thank you for your motivation and inspiration, you truly are making a positive impact on this world. Be safe Robert, there are some folks that are not as grateful for such ambitious contributions.
Look up an old-school Vicks warm-vapor vaporizer; plates immersed in water boiling nearly instantly (and generally getting a lot of scale buildup). The newer ones may use closed heater modules but I spent a lot of winters cleaning out the plate variety..
Yeah I remember de-gunking those in my youth, which is over a half century ago. Always added a pinch of salt. It's just a resistor really (I'm not sure how the graphite/de-ionized water one gets started). The same "tech" is used as giant loads/resistors for, for example, dynamometers or high-power radio transmitter testing, or welders, and iirc a crude version's been used to boil water for tea in one's jail cell.
I can't help but think about that commercial where a guy was in a job interview to work for a law firm and he was talking about how excited he was to start working here at dumbass and dumbass, complementing Mr dumbass to his face. and when he finally finished talking dude leaned forward, looked him in the eye and quietly said, "it's Dumas"
Great reminder of what we all learned in physics class at school, but took for granted. In other words --(as we say in the Netherlands)--> A great lesson in looking further then your nose is long.
I really enjoyed this humorous video, although quite techie and quite well explained. The first time that I saw this kind of heat being done, was with welders back in 1972 in a steel making company. They heated their water in a pot using 440 VAC 60 Hz !!! It usually took a couple of seconds to boil almost a litter of tap water to make their coffee, the old fashion way !!! And seen the comment below, all that they used for protection was their welder's leather glove.... Surprisingly, they never got zapped !!! And no they were not dumb asses, they were quite smart and crafty with their limited resources !!!
Back in 1974 in Australia you could buy a water boiling jug that used a pair of flat metal plates as electrodes immersed in tap water. Just how far before 1974 these became available to the public I have no idea. They worked OK (a bit slow) and did not burn out as the similar jugs that employed a naked wire heating element (nichrome ?) eventually did.
I am from europe and we had those untill like late 90s.. They were made out of thermal plastic and at the bottom were two stainless steel plates. Anyways they were marketed as quick way to boil water for coffee or tea.. But, i was a kid at the time and one time i put metal spoon in it.. Which was the time i realized that electricity feels like truck hitting you..
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As always a fan of your videos and the back history of your demostrations. It ocurred to me if the Dumas method can be applied to melt iced water with the same principle. It will be fun to see how fast does this resonance melts ice. Cheers
Great explanation DR. Smith. You compared AC and DC as DC just doesn't have frequency. Great comparison. Think about this: Light is said to be electromagnetic. If you can manipulate either the E or the B you can directly affect the other. This might be what plants do within their chlorophyll. They emit green, which means they use the other wavelengths to affect the energy collected. Some how they are manipulating the magnetic.
no, it is all about resonance actually. this is why the trumpeter designed his bell thick - so it rang at 50 cycles. much easier, The cheap bell i bought was up in the 400s of cps so i drove it with an old audio amp ...at its resonance [the important part!!!!!!!]... > the sphere is rigid, the ~bellcover not so much >> cavitation in the cavity =-= DC for browns gas, AC for heating. even the best channels arent going to delve to deep into the true capabilities of resonance for efficiency without ending up behind a shad o bane
I haven't commented in some time good sir, but these experiments are a lot of fun and I couldn't resist chiming in. Have you considered thermo-acoustic and kinetic resonant frequencies from liquid/gas phase shifts? There are Thermal differences in the cell and convections happening in the cell right? Getting spectroscopic analysis of the water as it's running with power challenging for us citizen scientist from my own personal experience.😅 Hope you explore this more in particular plasma phase transitions with pulsed DC.😊 Ofcourse, I am pretty bias in wantingto see more of those types of experiments. Thanks for sharing as always kind sir and I hope you are able to enjoy every present moment to the best of your abilities.
As others have no doubt pointed out: this seems like a pretty standard electrode water heater/boiler, apart from possibly the electrode form factor. Fun fact: this type of water heater was in widespread use for DHW in Eastern Europe in the "good" old days of the USSR.
FYI, APV developed Ohmic heaters for food manufacturing at least 50 years ago. It would have been a better demonstration if you had an ohmmeter in your circuit.
I lived with Peter Davey and used his boiling ball ! First second hydrogen second second vibration and 3rd second boiling . It was cold to the touch after boiling water . He explained to me he had tuned it to the sound of the telephone when off the hook . If coffee was in the cup it would not boil , popped and farted when milk was in the cup or Orange juice used to leap out of the cup !
If you make this into a water heater, the power would depend a lot on the conductivity of the water. In my city we have two different water supplies. So I would get about double the power of my neighbours in the next street over. Where a normal water heater produces the same amount of heat everywhere.
Do not even accidentally try to apply it to the hot water boiler, the ELECTRODES UNDER VOLTAGE are immersed in the water, which means that all the water is under voltage, and therefore deadly, unless you have very good grounding in the apartment, you will just have to replace the fuses...
I used to do this kind of stuff with carbon rods in the 1960s when I was a kid. We has a tiny shed that was my "laboratory". Used to draw carbon arcs with the rods too! I'm not sure if my Dad ever found out why we were blowing fuses all the time!
The low resonant frequency of water if about 2,4GHz, as microwave oven works. If you apply more than 1,2V between 2 electrodes into distilled water, you electrolise it (voltage varies slightly depended on the distance between electrodes) . Its HHO gas what this steam is (losses heat up the liquid water). Electrolysis can happen with AC current, but gasses are mixed (NO DC needed). It would be interesting to see if this steam is flammable (carefully).
Water doesn't have a resonant frequency. Microwave ovens heat water because of dielectric effect (fast changing of the electromagnetic field direction.) The current explanation is that the hydrogen bond progressively changes as frequency increases. Dielectric loss of water at 2.4 GHz is over 40%, but it'd require frequencies of almost 1 THz to get less than 10% loss (there'd be losses in the device, instead of from the water dielectric heating, so it'd be basically not worth it, even if terahertz technology was cheaply available.)
my former leading hand here had done a fair bit of " Porridge" back in the UK when younger , he showed me a prison jug or kettle , 2 gents safety razor blades separated by 2 matches bound by cotton thread with a wire to each razor blade and connected to mains power , dropped into a plastic mug of water (put in water first) a tiny pinch of salt quickened the boiling by 3-4 times this is not that far distant
Was just going to say about Peter Davey! Haha. Someone on youtube supposedly 'replicated it' and said it doesn't work. But the bubbling instantly starting was not replicated on youtube so I don't think they did it properly. I knew someone who lived with him (I'm from same country). They said it was legit and that it was pretty simple, the alleged resonance which caused Peter Davey to invent this was discovered when he was diving in Spitfire fighter planes from ww2 (he was a fighter pilot), it would cause the cabin to instantly heat up at certain high speeds/frequencies. He said it was a bicycle bell tuned to a resonance of 30 or 60Hz or similar (octave of mains frequency).
top of the morning . I've worked on turbines stream and it seem to me two bell create a super heated layer which in turn creates a faster heat up in the second dome. so geometry has it's benefit's. This also explain's many other principle. Water will boil at different atmosphere's . That's really cool. Nothing to due with resonance. Great vid as always thanks
The resonance frequency of gas, water, and solids, depends on the distance between two surfaces... So in a 10 meter tube, the resonance frequency is twice as high, as in a 20 meter tube, just like the rules about resonance of air. Also: In a rectangular pool, 10 meter long, 6 meter wide, AND 1 METER DEEP, there will actually be THREE different resonance frequencies, just like regarding sound in a livingroom... As you surely know, the speed of the pressure wave, can be used to calculate the resonance, between two surfaces. If we have a room, 4 by 8 meter and 2 meter high, the resonance frequencies are "harmonics to each other", so they they actually strengthen each other... Obviously the ressonance is strengthened most, in a perfect cube shaped room, like 4 by 4 by 4... A 85 Hz tone from a speaker will be extremely strengthened Hifi Enthusiasts will HATE having a livingroom with those dimentions. In pure water, at 5 Celsius, the speed of sound is 1427 m/s. In 1/50 second, the pressure wave travels 28,54 m. So if a "50 Hz loudspeaker" in a closed cabinet, was placed in the middle, between two walls, which are 28.54 meter apart, the pressure wave will come back from both walls, and hit the "50 hz loudspeaker", at the same time, as the "50 Hz loudspeaker" sends the next pulse out... Thus "increasing the pressure more and more, the more pulses, the loudspeaker sends out... Untill the reflected waves, are so strong, so they actually dampen the output from the loudspeaker. At 100 C the speed is 1543 m/s. So in 1/50 second, the pressure wave travels 30,86 m. In salt water, like in the ocean, the speed is a bit higher, as the salt content makes the water denser. But those two calculations simply proves, the heating is NOT done by resonance between the plates, in those "inventions" you showed. So your main point stands... Those "inventions" do NOT work by "resonance" I feel your conclusion is correct: The water acts as the resistor which gets heated, by a current. But there is also another effect in play! Water molecules are dipoles, acting like a compass needle. So in the ocean (and elsewhere) most will have turned to point their minus towards north, (because I believe, the North Pole on Earth is actually the EM Plus Pole) and their plus, towards south... But large local deposits of iron, like that in the sea bottom, one place, outside the coast of Bornholm, in the Baltic Sea, will act as a local magnetic pole, so when sailing over, a compass will make a full turn... So there the water molecules do not point "correctly north-south"... But also two electrodes, with some voltage difference, will act as "local north and south"... So water molecules will simply turn themselves "on the spot", each time the direction of the voltage shifts, with the strongest turn, when being between the two electrodes. Also that causes friction... That suggests, the heating effect will be stronger, if the electrodes are many plates, closely together, every second being the "plus" and every second being the "minus"... However, it MIGHT ALSO be heated by the effect you explained about electrolysis... some water molecules are ripped apart to become ions, which are forced to move, by the voltage difference, but as you use AC, they "jump back and forth"... The resulting FRICTION surely helps the heating. ALSO, IF it is correct, that the voltage splits the water molecules, we must concider that two ions fill more, than one water molecule, which means the water expands, each time new ions are made... IF we asume the ions bond again, to be complete water molecules, during the short time, when the voltage difference is zero... In that case, you should be able to hear a hum from the water... Apart from that little "2 GigaHz" mistake, I find your vids to be VERY educational, interesting and entertaining :) "The more you know, the more you realize, there is even more you don´t know yet" :) Best regards...
@rudolfvanacker8569 Back in the mid 1960's we used a baby bottle warmer using this principle. Whenever we used supply water it worked well. When visiting in-laws who were on rainwater tanks it stopped working after a while. A few grains of salt in the water occasionally made it work again, showing that it needed a conductive path to allow current to flow to generate heat to warm the feed bottle.
When I was a child, I had a toy steam engine. The "boiler" was a bakelite cylinder with 2 carbon blocks, which were connected to a power cord. You'd put water in it, close the little pressure release, and plug it in. As they say, "Hey! Presto!" Steam for the little engine, in just a few seconds. Eventually the blocks degraded, as I recall...
You are right about water resonance, much to high a frequency would be needed. A microwave oven works by vibrating the water molecules creating friction which in turn creates the heat, they run a 2.45MHZ using a magnetron. However what about the dielectric effect (dielectric losses)? Your plates are very small and the frequency is very low (50hz?) so this effect is insignificant. What if the plates were large and the frequency raised significantly. By the way pure water is not very conductive and as such there will not be enough current to boil it, so this is would seem to be a limiting factor in you're experiment. This issue could cause the current to change (rate of heating) depending on the quality of the water. However using the dielectric losses of water may be effective if the right frequency is chosen. Of course this would require an inverter so as to raise the frequency of your mains. In the end I don't know which would be cheaper and most reliable to build in the long run. The Magnetron or using the dielectric effect. In practical terms probably neither as we now have heat pump water heaters with, unfortunately, all its moving parts.
Your instant hot water shower works this way by passing 230 volts though the water as it passes over bare electrodes. If you pass a current through water it will heat up. I don't see the need for fancy electrodes. Your meter will also register the current flow so it is not free.
Apparently ohmic heating isn't the same as the claimed resonant heating. But a lot of people likely have a resonant heater in their kitchen if they happen to heat up or cook things with a microwave oven.
I'm not even half way thru yet, but since the first minute, I've been waiting for an "April fools" How is this not just electrolysis or HHO generator making tiny bubbles? Edit: @Rob you killed us with suspense in this one haha. I hope we get tons of comments!
Because it isn't. Those tiny bubbles you see aren't HHO, they're Steam. This is how we make a hot water stinger in Prison with a pencil, cord, and 2 razor blades. It takes a DC Current through it to make it an HHO Generator. THAT is the ONLY difference. Apply AC, get heat...
@@TimeSurfer206 Except you can do water electrolysis with AC current, it'll just be less efficient and it doesn't separate the hydrogen and oxygen. Conversely, applying DC does heat up the water too.
@@andrepolomat2420 Show me. I been an Electrician over 40 years, and worked Battery systems for many of those. You are right, but still absolutely wrong. Yes, the water WIL be electrolyzed. BRIEFY. Because as soon as the CURRENT is reversed (ALTERNATING Current, remember?)_the PROCESS is reversed, too!_
Electrolysis always happens, DC or AC, even in de ionised water. But deionized water is much less efficient at the start. But ... Here electrodes are much closer than usual. The very intense voltage differential makes electrolysis possible and intense because the low ionization is compensated by - high voltage - high proximity Plus : water ALWAYS has ions. Always. Water can be purified to be low ionized, but it's never 100% deionised. =» electrolysis happens here. But the Dumas effect does not rely on electrolysis. It relies on basic water being a resistive conductor. The trick to make water boil 5x faster is just ... Close plates. Close plates with large surface at less than 3mm will encap bubles. The proximity of plates will trap bubles on plates and surface tension will make bubles stick to plates. Once the bubles stick to borders of plates the water in the middle is trapped, and the water in the middle can heat up to 100 or 120° C via basic resistive effect. Because of bubbles, the water can't flow or renew. You produced an entrapped hot water zone that can boil locally. Outside the plates, the water remains at room temperature. That's how you obtain water boiling and.producing bubbles at room temperature. You are not boiling the whole glass, but just a thermally isolated part. It's spectacular because you are producing intense bubbles 5 times faster. It's just using proximity and surface tension to produce thermally isolated zones. At some point, it's also not far from Meissner effect. And of course, electrolysis helps producing small bubbles to isolate . There is no free energy. Just a nice story to fool people who enjoy confirmation bias.
I once saw a few videos of the HHO electrolysis, in the presence of an ac magnetic field that supposedly increases the efficiency of the process by orders of magnitude.
How does the power consumption compare to a traditional heating element when raising a given volume of water from a given starting temperature to boiling ?
There was a hotdog cooker that used the hotdog as the heater. Basically each end of the hotdog was connected to its own electrode and the hotdog was the resistor.
I learn about this set up. It was called a jail house water heater. 1 electric cord, 2 Prince Albert can tops, 2 wood match sticks and a bit of thread.
Interesting thanks. If it were possible to create a heater that used this method but was encapsulated in a package the same size as a standard immersion heater so straight swap ?
Wearing armour while playing with mains power gives rise to a related phenomena; The Dumb-Ass effect.
I hear you
Ben Franklin would be proud.
If it's earthed properly it's about as safe as you can get. They wear Faraday suits to work on power lines. I'd rather the current go through the metal around me than it going through my body.
@@EddieTheHthe problem is mains power wont just go through the surface of the armor even if grounded unless every piece has a good connection to the next you have a high risk of the electricity passing through your body in search fora path to ground. The Faraday suits those guys wear are specially designed to carry current evenly and the wearer is wearing an insulating layer underneath for more protection.
@@brad1367 Even then, it'll just be localised burns rather than systemic. The armour will protect your heart, etc.
My dad told me of his “kettle” in prison. 2 razor blades separated by matchsticks and connected to a wall socket. This was early 70’s.
a stinger, that is what I thought of too.
Used that in prison 😅
Vcall them "stingers" here on pa jail prisons use all kinda stuff seen 2 shower drain plates ....
Never underestimate the ingenuity of a man committed enough to break the laws of man, when he's stuck in a box, with only the laws of physics.
@@Ian-mj4ptI saw school like prison, very happy to come here and learn more about science, with a very motivating teacher
In Australia this technology is used in motel electric jugs
The advantage is that if the jug boils dry it stops working without damage.
The disadvantage is it’s a lot slower than a resistance coil.
The jug uses stainless steel electrodes
The water tastes normal
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Problem with stainless steel is that it sometimes contains chromium. The ions or atoms of which you really really absolutely DON'T want to ingest in your cuppa tea.
Hotel jugs.
Haha! This tech is actually old hat as nearly any kid that was in boarding school can tell you. We used it by wiring up a fork and a spoon to a plug and tying it to a piece of wood to keep it about an inch apart. Make sure it does not touch the receptacle your water is in and viola! boiling water in a trice.
Thanks, I enjoy your channel a lot.
Classic jailhouse cookery.
@@interstellarsurfer Boarding school, jail, same difference
it's the same thing as a prison stinger, and far from free energy
Just an important FYI - most variacs do NOT provide safety isolation. They are constructed as variable auto-transformers. One of the output leads is directly connected to one of the inputs. The other connects to the variable tap which will be at any potential between the two inputs but without isolation. A separate mains isolation transformer in addition to the variac would be my recommendation.
I was about to mention this.
Yep, not to not pedantic but people need to not think they receive protection from an auto transformer (Variac), they are not isolators
I think he was using it to control the voltage and because it had internal over current protection.
You’re right though, variacs do not isolate from ground.
@deltab9768 Not to be critical, and maybe you simply mistyped, but the point was it is their lack of isolation from the mains which presents a danger to the user.
@@GodmanchesterGoblin what I mean is that mains electricity is referenced to earth. The “neutral” terminal is grounded. That means you can complete the circuit and get electrocuted by touching the live terminal while also touching any random grounded object (dirt, a body of water, damp wood or concrete, metal framing of a building, etc)
As far as I know this is the most significant hazard that would be removed by using an isolation transformer instead of a variac or in addition to it. The hazard of electrocution by touching both terminals (or touching water with a voltage gradient across it) would still be there.
The overcurrent hazard (which is explicitly stated as what the variac is supposed to protect against) would still be there.
If I’m missing something else let me know.
"DC is AC at no frequency" I loved that phrase 😆
Or is it : DC is ac at multiple certain frequency.?
All sine waves canceling each other out except for the "dc" part.
Something just to ponder on.
When you take a differential of almost anything things are getting very strange. )))
Your videos rock even if they are about dumas inventions. Love the humor and the way you explain things, solid gold!
In Rural Georgia our Dumass Effect is... when you hear your husband pull up and he's got a free water heater in the back of the pickup truck he found on the side of the road. What he didn't know is that people put out free water heaters because the replaceable sacrificial anode never got replaced, wore out, and they've rusted out and now leak. But it's free, so, yeah, you can't go wrong with free. New permanent lawn ornament in your yard. Thanks to the Dumass Effect.
Dear Sir, I just wanted to drop a line to thank you for a terrific explanation of this whole process. You really have a gift as a teacher and your enthusiasm is positively contagious.
Ok - so is this whole experiment about a speed? IF i boil 1 litre with 1000 Watts for a minute with 2000Watts then i will need 10.000 Watts of power to boil it in 12 seconds :) - what do i get?
Good morning sir
hey! that was supposed to be my comment!
What is attractive in your videos is, despite all the "madness" of experiments you doing, you're definitely sane. Unlike many others I must say.
Way back in 1970, my wife had a hair curler/roller kit that used this method. The curler would heat up with the steam produced and she would wrap her hair around the curlers, and there you have it. It worked well, but it wasn't free energy. Had to descale it with distilled vinegar. .
those were a element heaters at least the one my wife had was.
@@dontimberman5493 I disassembled my wife's because it was working poorly after awhile. It had two separate electrodes in a tank of water. Each one connected to the mains. They were covered in minerals, I filled the tank with distilled vinegar to dissolve the minerals and it started working again. No heater element in hers.
I remember electric jugs with two plates separated by about 1/4".
Great advantage was no exposed element to burn out when the water got too low.
I now wonder about the metals that got dissolved into the water ?.
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Seems to work like the electrode boiler. I recall seeing big one fitted in a large building in London in the early 1970’s. That one worked on three phase AC.
this is exactly how Vicks warm mist vaporizer's work. They use carbon rods just a bit longer than those used here
When I was an apprentice 55 - 60 years ago one of the guys connected a TV antenna connector to a couple of electrical wires, connected it to the net and put it in a cup with water. It worked fine as an instant water heater.
The electrodes should be graphite. Any other metals will slowly dissolve into the water.
Connected to the net? What net?
@@cortneyholt The mains net or 220Vac as it was in Denmark.
@@cortneyholt electrical grid / net
absolute funniest man and extremely intelligent at the same time great video
Before you said Peter Dave's name I was thinking about how the Dunas Effect is similar to what Peter made. It's the same thing. I've wanted to know how he did it for more than a decade now I know. Thank you so much for this.
I'm like Dumas I'd rather give things away.
Great explanation of how these "effects" work Rob! Thanks!
Hi, Big Clive did the same experiment some years with something he got online from China, It used two stainless steel plates and it boiled water in a cup to make tea, there was a bigger one for a Bath !!!
Hahaha I saw this one! Just don’t touch the bath water until you unplug it lol.
I can remember many years ago, we used to have an open wound electric element on a kettle and when the element eventually broke, it would still continue to boil water, but it took much longer. The same type of effect as this.
You would of got your daily intake of Nickel and Chrome
Thanks rob. Always interesting and sound! Keep up the good work! I Just love it! /Mikael
safety note:- most variacs DON'T isolate from mains, they are merely autotransformers and so at high settings especially you are directly connected to mains with litte or no impedance between you and mains at all.
For isolation purposes, you must preceed them with an isolation tranformer (suitably rated)
Yes, there's a marginal difference between safety and stupidity 😂
Isolate the variac.
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As a dabbler in solar at 600v DC and 3kW PV inverters I have two questions (for you guys, and Robert):
1. What do we make of Robert's assertion "at the level of the cell...there will be *NO* electrolysis [or evolution of gas]"?
2) This resonance thing. Are we all happy saying 50Hz cannot have any resonance effect? Surely in a container capable of reflecting compression waves, 50Hz could easily generate multiple resonant frequencies due to constructive and destructive interference?
@@simonmasters3295 Is this 50Hz sonic or electronic? Sonic 50Hz might be nicely resonant within a reasonable sized container (appx. A flat, first octave, fits in a piano), while 50Hz em will be gigantic (5,995.849 km, requires a small town).
He was using it because it had an internal breaker. He wasn’t attempting to isolate it from ground.
I really enjoy learning from you, thanks for all the hard work!
Brilliant! Exactly what I needed, especially the suit of armor visual! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and humor. Peace, Love, Joy and Blessings to all. 🌄♥
As I understand it, microwave ovens use GHz resonance to heat water courtesy of water's dipolar nature. The Dumas effect just seems to be an uninsulated resistive heater.
About 40 years ago some scientists in Europe somewhere discovered that placing a length of brass tube about 4mm thick and about 100mm in diameter into liquid nitrogen. When they pulled it out they heard it resonating audibly. So they measured the frequency and then modified an amp and speaker to oscillate the tube at that frequency. The tube showed rapid temperature reduction until approaching the temperature of the liquid nitrogen.
I think the show was called “beyond 2000” from Australia.
You are one well studied man!!! you always amaze me
After you mentioned the Ohmic Array a year or two back I planned to try it out, and still intend to. Heatworks say that the current in the heaters is something like 100 amps, which is fine for plumbed-in instant heat but not fine for home experimenting. I did find a formula that related the sizes of the plates, the distance apart, and the resistivity/conductivity of the water with the current and amount of energy imparted into the water. I worked out that it would take around 40 minutes to heat a bath of water with a current limit of almost 13 amps (one of the standard fuse ratings in a UK plug), although I ignored heat loss from the water. I did acquire some cheap carbon-lead batteries but couldn't find cheap graphite plates, so whenever I get round to experimenting I'll use flattened tin material (oddly, most tins are bad conductors, but tins that have contained condensed milk have a different surface finish and are good conductors).
Most modern food 'tins' have a plastic coating inside. This might be why you do not find them good conductors.
They do these with tubes with holes drilled in them to make steam, instead of hemispheres like this. Idk where they came from but my father taught me about it in the 80's as a small novelty to build in the shed. So I suspect it's older than we realise. There's nothing to do with resonance or magic, it's just cavitation. The 'ohmic' and the example you showed is just electric heating, the spinning hemisphere, etc, you'll notice the inner one has holes missing, that's causes the cavitation. It's better with cylinders because you push the water through it so it's way more effective.
I was born in New York lived in Cuba for a few years. In Cuba, people made water heaters like this using two different size tin cans, one inside the other and use a piece of rubber from a bike tube to separate the cans. Placed in a bucket of water it would heat the water quite fast!
I purchased there an nicely made unit (I still have it) that looks like a water filter. Inside it has two stainless steel plates separated by a piece of rubber. Each plate is sustained from the top by a connector bolt.
I tested the unit at home and it used a tremendous amount of energy compared to the standard heating element in my small water heater.
I never installed the unit at home.
I imagine it would suck down the amps.
My physics teacher told that when he was just graduated, young engineer sometime back in sixties or seventies he got a task to solve a problem of a water heater this type. Heater was located somewhere in the basement of a quite a large building. I don't remember what exactly what he told the problem was, may be that from some sort of over pressure pipe was pushing some hot water out periodically or something. The room was a bit too dark so the young engineer tried to light up the place with cigarette lighter. In the water heater had a small pipe on the upper part of it and the pipe was closed by small valve, probably its purpose was to remove possible remaining air from the heater's container. He (the engineer) opened the valve just a little bit to see if there was air in the heater. He knew there supposed not be hydrogen nor oxygen in the heater but as he opened the valve, long bluish flame ignited from the end of the pipe. Fortunately he succeeded to close the valve immediately and the flame extinguished at once. My teacher told he was very lucky that the flame did not pull itself inside the heater, otherwise he would not be alive to tell the story for us. He reported about the danger for his superior and within an hour or something all this kind of heaters was shut down in entire country and manufacturers / importers started to withdraw all this type of heaters from the market. AFAIK, still today this type of heaters are prohibited in Finland due the risk of explosive gases generation.
Add a pinch of salt and it’ll heat a whole load quicker 😊
Chef
Brilliant video!
Always informative and thanks for explaining the how the difference in AC and DC affect the process in different ways.
If a heating element is totally immersed in water all of the energy it consumes and emits must be absorbed by the water. A very small amount might be conducted (thermally conducted) out down the wires but that will normally be negligible. Therefore ALL simple resistive water heaters are 100% efficient. This means that anyone claiming to have invented a better water heater (resonant or otherwise) is effectively claiming to have invented an over unity (>100% efficient) machine which isn't possible.
What a lot of these "improved boilers" really do is only heat part of the tank, the water nearest the heating device, so you get localised boiling. Any boiler that puts energy into a smaller volume of water will boil that smaller volume faster. This makes it look like its heating the water faster.
To do a proper test you need to stir the tanks to ensure all the heaters being compared are heating the same volume of water with the same amount of energy. Eg Apply a known amount of energy, then stop, stir the water thoroughly so it's a uniform temperature, and measure the increase in temperature produced.
A microwave oven is less than 60% efficient so its far better to heat water in a kettle than a microwave oven. The exception being when you only want to heat a small amount of water eg less than needed to cover the element of the kettle.
Two spoons back to back, isolated, plugged directly into a 120 circuit, always worked well making coffee, ect, for prisoners.
This was a fascinating science/engineering exploration,thank you
Amazing , well proved with best explanation too, all the best.
Back in the 60's when I was in the RAF, we used to make our own mug water heaters.
A couple of stainless steel knives, ''borrowed'' from the mess, with a piece of wood between the blades, thick enough so the handles don't touch, wrap insulating tape around the blades to hold them together, and pop the handles into a pint pot/mug of water!
A cable with two crocodile clips, onto each blade and 220v plug on the other end.
Plug in and switch on and in a minute or two you have a pot of boiling water.
Remembering to switch off, and then remove the knives from the pot, and you can then add your tea or coffee!
No resonance, patents or problems!
Cost? Zero, as all the bits were scroungeable.
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I watch your videos from time to time because they are always so interesting . Really enjoyed this experiment and explanation 😊
It's a great understanding. Very little ever has to due with true resonance . Even electrically. Solid magnet's i have gotten to resonate using pulse Dc PWM module. I am reluctant to expand on my finding. Resonance without a way to harness is just noise. the geometry of ferrite does matter as well as distance. great video thank you as always.
My friend and I enjoy discuss concepts. I've since deployed the prophylactic strategy of asking him not to tell me if he manages to succeed at making an over-unity device, as a general principle. You can use it quietly in your own home, but not sell it. For selling, I suspect the rule of thumb is you can improve a product's efficiency by no more than 10% judging by available products whose inventors indicated awareness of certain principles, who then become respectfully quiet.
Man I have been thinking this would work for ages and I'm such a lazy bastard and I never tried it! As I'm watching your videos I'm realizing so many of the, as my friends and colleagues have put it "dumbass" ideas that I've had over the years are actually valid and that I need to do more than just thinking and start tinkering! Thank you for your motivation and inspiration, you truly are making a positive impact on this world. Be safe Robert, there are some folks that are not as grateful for such ambitious contributions.
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Look up an old-school Vicks warm-vapor vaporizer; plates immersed in water boiling nearly instantly (and generally getting a lot of scale buildup). The newer ones may use closed heater modules but I spent a lot of winters cleaning out the plate variety..
Yeah I remember de-gunking those in my youth, which is over a half century ago. Always added a pinch of salt. It's just a resistor really (I'm not sure how the graphite/de-ionized water one gets started). The same "tech" is used as giant loads/resistors for, for example, dynamometers or high-power radio transmitter testing, or welders, and iirc a crude version's been used to boil water for tea in one's jail cell.
I can't help but think about that commercial where a guy was in a job interview to work for a law firm and he was talking about how excited he was to start working here at dumbass and dumbass, complementing Mr dumbass to his face. and when he finally finished talking dude leaned forward, looked him in the eye and quietly said, "it's Dumas"
Known old thing. But you explained it magnificently! Thumbs up.
Back in the 50s, we had a vaporizer that worked in the same way as your carbon rod version. It separated the rods with a ceramic barrier.
Fantastic video, great stuff %)
Mind blowing. Gonna be thinking bout this for a while xx
As always, a pleasure dear sir! Thanks a million for sharing your knowledge and positive energy (pun intended). 😁
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just brilliant stuff friend.
Great reminder of what we all learned in physics class at school, but took for granted.
In other words --(as we say in the Netherlands)--> A great lesson in looking further then your nose is long.
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I actually discovered this eftect,
by coming to your channel and watching this video.
I really enjoyed this humorous video, although quite techie and quite well explained. The first time that I saw this kind of heat being done, was with welders back in 1972 in a steel making company. They heated their water in a pot using 440 VAC 60 Hz !!!
It usually took a couple of seconds to boil almost a litter of tap water to make their coffee, the old fashion way !!!
And seen the comment below, all that they used for protection was their welder's leather glove.... Surprisingly, they never got zapped !!!
And no they were not dumb asses, they were quite smart and crafty with their limited resources !!!
Great explanation!
Back in 1974 in Australia you could buy a water boiling jug that used a pair of flat metal plates as electrodes immersed in tap water. Just how far before 1974 these became available to the public I have no idea. They worked OK (a bit slow) and did not burn out as the similar jugs that employed a naked wire heating element (nichrome ?) eventually did.
I am from europe and we had those untill like late 90s.. They were made out of thermal plastic and at the bottom were two stainless steel plates. Anyways they were marketed as quick way to boil water for coffee or tea.. But, i was a kid at the time and one time i put metal spoon in it.. Which was the time i realized that electricity feels like truck hitting you..
You sound like "Granville" "Open all hours" (David Johnson). And I love it!
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As always a fan of your videos and the back history of your demostrations. It ocurred to me if the Dumas method can be applied to melt iced water with the same principle. It will be fun to see how fast does this resonance melts ice. Cheers
Great explanation DR. Smith. You compared AC and DC as DC just doesn't have frequency. Great comparison. Think about this: Light is said to be electromagnetic. If you can manipulate either the E or the B you can directly affect the other. This might be what plants do within their chlorophyll. They emit green, which means they use the other wavelengths to affect the energy collected. Some how they are manipulating the magnetic.
We had a vaporizer based on carbon rods in the latr 50's.
They still sell them we got one in the garage right now.
You can use carbon rod at 20/30v 150/800a for make magnetic gas
You can use carbon rod at 20/30v 150/800a for make magnetic gas
no, it is all about resonance actually. this is why the trumpeter designed his bell thick - so it rang at 50 cycles. much easier, The cheap bell i bought was up in the 400s of cps so i drove it with an old audio amp ...at its resonance [the important part!!!!!!!]... > the sphere is rigid, the ~bellcover not so much >> cavitation in the cavity =-= DC for browns gas, AC for heating. even the best channels arent going to delve to deep into the true capabilities of resonance for efficiency without ending up behind a shad o bane
Yep, you got it, it's all about the cavitation, that's where the magic happens....
I haven't commented in some time good sir, but these experiments are a lot of fun and I couldn't resist chiming in. Have you considered thermo-acoustic and kinetic resonant frequencies from liquid/gas phase shifts? There are Thermal differences in the cell and convections happening in the cell right?
Getting spectroscopic analysis of the water as it's running with power challenging for us citizen scientist from my own personal experience.😅
Hope you explore this more in particular plasma phase transitions with pulsed DC.😊
Ofcourse, I am pretty bias in wantingto see more of those types of experiments.
Thanks for sharing as always kind sir and I hope you are able to enjoy every present moment to the best of your abilities.
Yeah , dont they have ultrasonic stuff too?
Amazing once again just proves there is nothing new under the sun and a reason why certain things don't become more common place in society.
Blown my mind again!
I'm surprised there isn't a whole lot of videos on the topic of the Dumas Effect. Thanks for your contribution!
As others have no doubt pointed out: this seems like a pretty standard electrode water heater/boiler, apart from possibly the electrode form factor. Fun fact: this type of water heater was in widespread use for DHW in Eastern Europe in the "good" old days of the USSR.
FYI, APV developed Ohmic heaters for food manufacturing at least 50 years ago. It would have been a better demonstration if you had an ohmmeter in your circuit.
Its not in there? An Ohm-meter is resistivity.
How are you going to use an ohm meter? Temperature is the best test
Pretty clever, that dumass effect!!
I lived with Peter Davey and used his boiling ball !
First second hydrogen second second vibration and 3rd second boiling .
It was cold to the touch after boiling water .
He explained to me he had tuned it to the sound of the telephone when off the hook .
If coffee was in the cup it would not boil , popped and farted when milk was in the cup or Orange juice used to leap out of the cup !
If you make this into a water heater, the power would depend a lot on the conductivity of the water. In my city we have two different water supplies. So I would get about double the power of my neighbours in the next street over. Where a normal water heater produces the same amount of heat everywhere.
Do not even accidentally try to apply it to the hot water boiler, the ELECTRODES UNDER VOLTAGE are immersed in the water, which means that all the water is under voltage, and therefore deadly, unless you have very good grounding in the apartment, you will just have to replace the fuses...
Sounds perfect for on demand hot water heaters, if it's actually more efficient than standard designs.
Years ago I read that water's frequency is 1.5 tera hz. You can get there but you need to make a wobble phase.
Thumbs up Robert, from Georgia, U S A
I used to do this kind of stuff with carbon rods in the 1960s when I was a kid. We has a tiny shed that was my "laboratory". Used to draw carbon arcs with the rods too!
I'm not sure if my Dad ever found out why we were blowing fuses all the time!
The low resonant frequency of water if about 2,4GHz, as microwave oven works. If you apply more than 1,2V between 2 electrodes into distilled water, you electrolise it (voltage varies slightly depended on the distance between electrodes) . Its HHO gas what this steam is (losses heat up the liquid water). Electrolysis can happen with AC current, but gasses are mixed (NO DC needed).
It would be interesting to see if this steam is flammable (carefully).
Water doesn't have a resonant frequency. Microwave ovens heat water because of dielectric effect (fast changing of the electromagnetic field direction.) The current explanation is that the hydrogen bond progressively changes as frequency increases. Dielectric loss of water at 2.4 GHz is over 40%, but it'd require frequencies of almost 1 THz to get less than 10% loss (there'd be losses in the device, instead of from the water dielectric heating, so it'd be basically not worth it, even if terahertz technology was cheaply available.)
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love the demo, what amount current is flowing in these processes?
my former leading hand here had done a fair bit of " Porridge" back in the UK when younger , he showed me a prison jug or kettle , 2 gents safety razor blades separated by 2 matches bound by cotton thread with a wire to each razor blade and connected to mains power , dropped into a plastic mug of water (put in water first) a tiny pinch of salt quickened the boiling by 3-4 times
this is not that far distant
Was just going to say about Peter Davey! Haha. Someone on youtube supposedly 'replicated it' and said it doesn't work. But the bubbling instantly starting was not replicated on youtube so I don't think they did it properly.
I knew someone who lived with him (I'm from same country). They said it was legit and that it was pretty simple, the alleged resonance which caused Peter Davey to invent this was discovered when he was diving in Spitfire fighter planes from ww2 (he was a fighter pilot), it would cause the cabin to instantly heat up at certain high speeds/frequencies. He said it was a bicycle bell tuned to a resonance of 30 or 60Hz or similar (octave of mains frequency).
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top of the morning . I've worked on turbines stream and it seem to me two bell create a super heated layer which in turn creates a faster heat up in the second dome. so geometry has it's benefit's. This also explain's many other principle. Water will boil at different atmosphere's . That's really cool. Nothing to due with resonance. Great vid as always thanks
The resonance frequency of gas, water, and solids,
depends on the distance between two surfaces...
So in a 10 meter tube, the resonance frequency is twice as high,
as in a 20 meter tube, just like the rules about resonance of air.
Also: In a rectangular pool, 10 meter long, 6 meter wide,
AND 1 METER DEEP, there will actually be THREE different resonance frequencies,
just like regarding sound in a livingroom...
As you surely know, the speed of the pressure wave,
can be used to calculate the resonance, between two surfaces.
If we have a room, 4 by 8 meter and 2 meter high,
the resonance frequencies are "harmonics to each other",
so they they actually strengthen each other...
Obviously the ressonance is strengthened most,
in a perfect cube shaped room, like 4 by 4 by 4...
A 85 Hz tone from a speaker will be extremely strengthened
Hifi Enthusiasts will HATE having a livingroom with those dimentions.
In pure water, at 5 Celsius, the speed of sound is 1427 m/s.
In 1/50 second, the pressure wave travels 28,54 m.
So if a "50 Hz loudspeaker" in a closed cabinet, was placed in the middle,
between two walls, which are 28.54 meter apart,
the pressure wave will come back from both walls,
and hit the "50 hz loudspeaker", at the same time,
as the "50 Hz loudspeaker" sends the next pulse out...
Thus "increasing the pressure more and more,
the more pulses, the loudspeaker sends out...
Untill the reflected waves, are so strong,
so they actually dampen the output from the loudspeaker.
At 100 C the speed is 1543 m/s.
So in 1/50 second, the pressure wave travels 30,86 m.
In salt water, like in the ocean, the speed is a bit higher,
as the salt content makes the water denser.
But those two calculations simply proves,
the heating is NOT done by resonance between the plates,
in those "inventions" you showed.
So your main point stands...
Those "inventions" do NOT work by "resonance"
I feel your conclusion is correct:
The water acts as the resistor which gets heated, by a current.
But there is also another effect in play!
Water molecules are dipoles, acting like a compass needle.
So in the ocean (and elsewhere) most will have turned to point their minus towards north,
(because I believe, the North Pole on Earth is actually the EM Plus Pole)
and their plus, towards south...
But large local deposits of iron,
like that in the sea bottom, one place,
outside the coast of Bornholm, in the Baltic Sea,
will act as a local magnetic pole,
so when sailing over, a compass will make a full turn...
So there the water molecules do not point "correctly north-south"...
But also two electrodes, with some voltage difference,
will act as "local north and south"...
So water molecules will simply turn themselves "on the spot",
each time the direction of the voltage shifts,
with the strongest turn, when being between the two electrodes.
Also that causes friction...
That suggests, the heating effect will be stronger,
if the electrodes are many plates, closely together,
every second being the "plus" and every second being the "minus"...
However, it MIGHT ALSO be heated by the effect you explained about electrolysis...
some water molecules are ripped apart to become ions,
which are forced to move, by the voltage difference,
but as you use AC, they "jump back and forth"...
The resulting FRICTION surely helps the heating.
ALSO, IF it is correct, that the voltage splits the water molecules,
we must concider that two ions fill more, than one water molecule,
which means the water expands, each time new ions are made...
IF we asume the ions bond again, to be complete water molecules,
during the short time, when the voltage difference is zero...
In that case, you should be able to hear a hum from the water...
Apart from that little "2 GigaHz" mistake,
I find your vids to be VERY educational, interesting and entertaining :)
"The more you know, the more you realize,
there is even more you don´t know yet" :)
Best regards...
@rudolfvanacker8569 Back in the mid 1960's we used a baby bottle warmer using this principle. Whenever we used supply water it worked well. When visiting in-laws who were on rainwater tanks it stopped working after a while. A few grains of salt in the water occasionally made it work again, showing that it needed a conductive path to allow current to flow to generate heat to warm the feed bottle.
Later on the child had three eyes, right? Ha
When I was a child, I had a toy steam engine. The "boiler" was a bakelite cylinder with 2 carbon blocks, which were connected to a power cord. You'd put water in it, close the little pressure release, and plug it in. As they say, "Hey! Presto!" Steam for the little engine, in just a few seconds. Eventually the blocks degraded, as I recall...
You are right about water resonance, much to high a frequency would be needed. A microwave oven works by vibrating the water molecules creating friction which in turn creates the heat, they run a 2.45MHZ using a magnetron. However what about the dielectric effect (dielectric losses)? Your plates are very small and the frequency is very low (50hz?) so this effect is insignificant. What if the plates were large and the frequency raised significantly. By the way pure water is not very conductive and as such there will not be enough current to boil it, so this is would seem to be a limiting factor in you're experiment. This issue could cause the current to change (rate of heating) depending on the quality of the water. However using the dielectric losses of water may be effective if the right frequency is chosen. Of course this would require an inverter so as to raise the frequency of your mains. In the end I don't know which would be cheaper and most reliable to build in the long run. The Magnetron or using the dielectric effect. In practical terms probably neither as we now have heat pump water heaters with, unfortunately, all its moving parts.
Your instant hot water shower works this way by passing 230 volts though the water as it passes over bare electrodes. If you pass a current through water it will heat up. I don't see the need for fancy electrodes. Your meter will also register the current flow so it is not free.
Apparently ohmic heating isn't the same as the claimed resonant heating. But a lot of people likely have a resonant heater in their kitchen if they happen to heat up or cook things with a microwave oven.
I'm not even half way thru yet, but since the first minute, I've been waiting for an "April fools"
How is this not just electrolysis or HHO generator making tiny bubbles?
Edit: @Rob you killed us with suspense in this one haha. I hope we get tons of comments!
Ok, Rob covers electrolysis with this in the last third of the video
Because it isn't. Those tiny bubbles you see aren't HHO, they're Steam.
This is how we make a hot water stinger in Prison with a pencil, cord, and 2 razor blades.
It takes a DC Current through it to make it an HHO Generator.
THAT is the ONLY difference. Apply AC, get heat...
@@TimeSurfer206 Except you can do water electrolysis with AC current, it'll just be less efficient and it doesn't separate the hydrogen and oxygen. Conversely, applying DC does heat up the water too.
@@andrepolomat2420 Show me. I been an Electrician over 40 years, and worked Battery systems for many of those.
You are right, but still absolutely wrong.
Yes, the water WIL be electrolyzed. BRIEFY.
Because as soon as the CURRENT is reversed (ALTERNATING Current, remember?)_the PROCESS is reversed, too!_
Electrolysis always happens, DC or AC, even in de ionised water. But deionized water is much less efficient at the start.
But ... Here electrodes are much closer than usual. The very intense voltage differential makes electrolysis possible and intense because the low ionization is compensated by
- high voltage
- high proximity
Plus : water ALWAYS has ions. Always. Water can be purified to be low ionized, but it's never 100% deionised.
=» electrolysis happens here.
But the Dumas effect does not rely on electrolysis. It relies on basic water being a resistive conductor.
The trick to make water boil 5x faster is just ... Close plates. Close plates with large surface at less than 3mm will encap bubles. The proximity of plates will trap bubles on plates and surface tension will make bubles stick to plates. Once the bubles stick to borders of plates the water in the middle is trapped, and the water in the middle can heat up to 100 or 120° C via basic resistive effect.
Because of bubbles, the water can't flow or renew. You produced an entrapped hot water zone that can boil locally.
Outside the plates, the water remains at room temperature.
That's how you obtain water boiling and.producing bubbles at room temperature. You are not boiling the whole glass, but just a thermally isolated part.
It's spectacular because you are producing intense bubbles 5 times faster. It's just using proximity and surface tension to produce thermally isolated zones.
At some point, it's also not far from Meissner effect.
And of course, electrolysis helps producing small bubbles to isolate .
There is no free energy. Just a nice story to fool people who enjoy confirmation bias.
I was using razor blades (flat two sided ones). Matches to separate them and strait to main 😊 . Tea ready in a blink of an eye .
I once saw a few videos of the HHO electrolysis, in the presence of an ac magnetic field that supposedly increases the efficiency of the process by orders of magnitude.
How does the power consumption compare to a traditional heating element when raising a given volume of water from a given starting temperature to boiling ?
Luv yer projects! I must’ve been cut from the hem of your garment 🤓
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Love that guy 👍
There was a hotdog cooker that used the hotdog as the heater. Basically each end of the hotdog was connected to its own electrode and the hotdog was the resistor.
And that works very well also because of the salt as a conductor inside the hot dog sausage.
I learn about this set up. It was called a jail house water heater. 1 electric cord, 2 Prince Albert can tops, 2 wood match sticks and a bit of thread.
i mention that in the video
what I want to know is if the pure graphite plates you originally used, were losing any of the graphite into the water?
Interesting thanks. If it were possible to create a heater that used this method but was encapsulated in a package the same size as a standard immersion heater so straight swap ?
Interesting, would to know more about how much electricity/cost to boil the water. Is it efficient ?