The saddest part is that the CEO was so proud of not implementing safety regulations, and fired people who cared about the safety of the passengers. They didn't even have a basic emergency beacon or back up communication. So sad for everyone involved, especially the family members. :(
He was among the passengers and therefore among the dead. His company was a profit oriented fantasy for the rich to play scientist. youtube.com/@OceanGateExpeditions
@@Cynthia99911 I am under the impression that they were all made to sign a waiver ? Anyone know for sure. And does that stop their families from suing ?
The issue with composite parts is that they are prone to delamination, shear fractures, and other catastrophic failures that are not present in a simpler material such as metal. This part should have been tested beyond its operating environment multiple times prior to the sub's completion to make sure it was sound. The CEO boasts about using an aerospace mindset when designing the submarine, yet ignored all the safety features that make the process of flying safe: redundancies, evacuation procedures, regulation, subject matter experts, and a thorough testing and validation phase. Not even for unmanned drones aerospace engineers are this naïve. From an aerospace engineer.
The CEO bragged about using off-the-shelf camping items etc in the building of his sub, with the reason being as '(the pieces) being mass produced, therefore they're reliable'. Which is as terrible a forewarning as some of the operation handles being labelled with masking tape and Sharpie marker. :I
The Woke and Diverse crew who assembled this sub are not capable of answering that question... Just like the Woke nominee's running AMerica, NO Answers to any questions......
A retired Navy submarine Captain was shocked at the way this unit was put together. Josh Gates from Expedition Unknown did his homework and said "No" when it came to possibly making an episode in that unit at the Titanic.
🤨 💭 I’m not diving 2.5+ miles into the ocean relying solely on remote control & no GPS tracking device after what happened with ARA San Juan submarine. …Rich people’s problems…
I hope they went quick and didn’t suffer. My heart goes out to the father and son. I still think these deaths were completely needless and lessons are learned.
Of the various scenarios the 2 best outcomes are 1) they made it to the surface and were found and removed alive from the sub or 2) it imploded and they didn't even know what happened. They might hear some odd noises briefly and then bam, existence ends.
@@skimask5049 doubt it. it really quacks like they imploded. they supposedly had 7 systems that should have surfaced them by now and only implosion could really take out all 7 at once it seems.
Anyone whom has ever done something that they knew could kill them, and then it does, they thought that it wouldn’t happen to them. Otherwise they wouldn’t have done it. They knew the risk and the worst happened, condolences to the families.
I believe that the danger was downplayed by the CEO for obvious reasons. That being said there should of been rehearsals and or practice runs for all involved. Plus a well experienced submariner
@@willchristie2650I'm sure there's some rich people out there that think they're on God's special list, but assure you the majority of rich people do not think like that.
@Kitsuneplayz309 idk why people say this but we live in a democracy well soon idk but the poor the poor I am tired of hearing that phrase for a myriad of reasons . My taxes pay the poor and NYC is killing the working class for the poor SMFH
there's a big message in all this, the billionare who has made all the money in the world ended up paying alot of money to meet his own death, the diver who visited the Titanic 37 times suffered the same fate as those in the ship he visited and is now a part of ocean with them... the father tryng to give his son a once in a lifetime experience ended up giving him his last experience at the age of 19, and the careless ceo who didn't want to follow safety measures ended up sinking with his own ship... i was captivated by this whole story and was hoping for a happy ending but atleast they went out quick and painless
@@pvaz Being able to buy things doesn't make for a richer human experience. They might have never experienced true friendship or love, true subservience to a deity, or true sacrifice for someone in greater need.
It could've imploded after they died. Why does nobody realize that the people don't have to be alive for an implosion to occur. One bad drift into a rock and it's game over
Dray is flaming articulate, specific, and concrete in this report. This reporter is a breath of fresh air from the usual "hair spray" reporters who hose you down with words. Dray hoses you down with content. Excellent reporting. Harkens me back to the days of Cronkite and his crew.
There have been a number of adventurers who signed up for previous expeditions with this company who pulled out due to concerns about safety issues. The arrogance of the builder of the submersible reminds me of the arrogance on the folks who built the Titanic with similar outcomes. Such a terrible situation for all involved. I hope and pray the families will get closure and that the occupants did not suffer.
I don't think that is the reason why, it is likely due to repeated exposure to pressure changes. The submersible was capable of going down to those depths and back and had done so before.. but they should've known that when dealing with those insane pressures you can't just keep reusing the same old equipment. It will fail.
@@averyisaiah1 testing for safety also serves to certify that repeated use is possible. If it gets damaged after a few dives it never was safe in the first place. Or it should have been replaced/rebuilt/adequately maintained. Either way it’s cutting corners.
@@pansepot1490 I think we can agree carbonfiber and steel are very different. I don't know for sure but I feel like any weakness in microfiber wouldn't really be noticed until it's too late.
Conclusion for that would be corners could be cut for unmanned subs for only a FEW Dives since the sub was actually successful for a few dives into the titanic. But MANNED subs? it's another different casualty. Folks didnt account for the wear and tear after those successful dives. RIP
Yes, they should have had many more test and backup plans in place. Hindsight 20/20, but we can now learn some things at a very high price to pay...RIP❤
Even the CEO who took said 19 year old and company down in an unsafe machine that he had been warned about numerously, settled an unjust termination case with the former director who raised safety concerns, and brags about breaking rules to get the sub in the water?
Trust me it was faster then regular drowning, if it broke pressure killed them in a moment. But waiting for it was terrible, all of that anxiety, feeling trapped under the sea
@@shumonbrown5229 I would die of panic attack honestly. It's just too much for anyone that kind of stuff. Prob the worst enviroment for a human beign. Even in space is more natural as at least you can see around and no pressure
When they lost comms and the pinger all at once was a bad sign, but could have been a power failure. But the sub had 7 different ways to surface with one not requiring any input from a person. Special brackets dissolve slowly in seawater and when the time is up they break and drop the weights. When the sub didn’t come up after that time frame only a couple options left with the most likely, implosion. Engineers had stated their concerns about mixing carbon fiber with titanium. Those materials expand and contract at different rates and that would put huge stresses on the epoxy binding adhesive. One saving grace is they wouldn’t have known what happened, at that pressure it crushed in milliseconds.
that's true, if it would have been completely out of carbon fiber or completely out of metal, that would've been better. carbon fiber can become brittle in the extreme cold
Composites of all kinds. In different situations an stresses. Tend to delaminate as failures. None of them Perry safety things ment squat. The one that mattered. Is like all the others. Built into the shape of a sphere an materials that’s not gonna delaminate an such things as that. So the pressure on it stays equal around it. These fools chances a cardboard tube it was only a matter of time.
@@AquaTech225 Exactly. They had I think 20 something dives thus far but just like a jetliner those expansion and contraction cycles take their toll and looking into their safety practices I highly doubt they were doing any non destructive testing to make sure its integrity held up. I'm not an engineer but when I saw they literally epoxied the end caps onto the hull I nearly spit my drink out.
Am I the only one having a hard time trying to understand the logic in going down this deep in the ocean in an uncertified vessel ? My condolences go out to the family members.
Nope. Especially after watching this crap. The two minute commercial for the expedition is particularly persuasive with, I've done Everest and this is better...or, more people have been to space than have seen the Titanic. Why do people do this? Are they obsessed with the Titanic or is it something else for rich people to own? Either way, the company's channel has gross vibes youtube.com/@OceanGateExpeditions
My opinion is they imploded as soon as they went missing. Something went wrong with the Titan. People need to leave that grave site alone from here on out
Its a bizarre situation. People who were very interested in the Titanic, and who, in previous years were fascinated with its fate and its discovery and subsequent wreck and debris field are now in fact part of the wreck and debris field. To have your physical being transported from books, movies and documentaries to be physically part of the actual frozen location is nightmarish..
his wife defended from a couple who died in the titanic wreck. That explains to me more why he wanted to do it really. if he wasnt so naive and had he just listened to some of the experts this could have been avoided. Im not even an expert and as soon as I heard the construction, I was angry and flabbergasted.
there's a big message in all this, the billionare who has made all the money in the world ended up paying alot of money to meet his own death, the diver who visited the Titanic 37 times suffered the same fate as those in the ship he visited and is now a part of ocean with them... the father tryng to give his son a once in a lifetime experience ended up giving him his last experience at the age of 19, and the careless ceo who didn't want to follow safety measures ended up sinking with his own ship... i was captivated by this whole story and was hoping for a happy ending but atleast they went out quick and painless
Many people who had knowledge about submersives have been saying all along that the vessel likely imploded when communication with it abruptly ended, because none of the failsafes that were supposed to return it to the surface in case something happened did what they were designed to do, and the people onboard have been long dead. If they all died instantly in an implosion, that’s a whole lot better way to go than being trapped in a submersible, slowly freezing to death, and enduring the psychological terror of knowing your oxygen is running out, and you’re going to die. Someone in the comments of another video said suffocating is the best way to die, because you “just go to sleep”. The idiocy of that comment is unbelievable. I have had my airway occluded by a gigantic vitamin, and I can tell you the panic was immediate, and it was horrible. All I could think about was my children waking up to find their mother dead. By God’s grace it became unlodged, and I was able to cough it up, but the time when I wasn’t able to cough to get it out was terrifying, and as a Christian, I’m not afraid of death. It was the thought of my children finding me dead that was terrifying. Dying from oxygen deprivation is a horrible way to die, because it takes about 5 minutes for the brain to die, and so you are consciously aware that you’re dying for what would seem like an eternity, as your mind is frantically racing with panic. Unbelievable how dense some people are. I hope they all died instantly, and I am sorry for their grieving loved ones. May God have mercy on their souls. (Edit: I stand corrected on the physiology of death from oxygen deprivation due to an occluded airway being quite different from the physiology of death from oxygen deprivation with an open airway, and the resulting death from increased levels of CO2. Thanks to those who explained the difference. It’s always good to learn. I apologize for my ignorance on the matter.)
I dont think one should harshly judge comments that were well meaning...Take comments from whence they come and are intended. I believe suffocating from choking on a vitamin is different from suffocating due to a slow lack of oxygen. Its all terribly sad.
I'm sorry for them. I don't see what is so interesting about going down to look at the Titanic shipwreck. It seems like a very skewed risk:reward ratio.
I agree, but what motivates us isn't what motivates them. Be a shit world if we all thought the same and did the same things. There would be no progress, we'd still be living in trees.
If anything people should make one of those simulation rides that makes you feel like you’re at the bottom of the ocean looking at the titanic. Not actually GO to the bottom of the ocean
Steel cracks, but carbon fiber shatters in the event of a structural failure. If the Titan imploded the end would at least have been quick for the crew. If this is the case, my sincere condolences to all the affected families of the crew...
When I saw on some film how they wind a carbon tape on the drum during the production of the hull, it cut me off. For such applications, a dirty hall, material application without a vacuum chamber. I'm not surprised that the CEO didn't want to do a defectoscopy of the crafted body of the ship, there must have been a lot of built-in dust and air bubbles. There was no chance it wouldn't fail. From an engineer's point of view, it was pure cutting corners.
I hate carbon. It is misused in so many composite applications. It is good in compression and in tension, and should work well for submersibles. It has no sheer strength, and design of hardpoints must be complicated by this. If this debris is the sub, I suspect the occupants knew nothing about it. RIP.
This is tragic but debris fields means it also the best outcome, they died quickly, likely instantly. My fear was those people were still alive trapped in that thing in freezing dark water, knowing they are going to die because there is nothing anyone can do.
Agree I hope they find debris and not an intact unit. I almost wished they hadn’t heard banging noises the other day because it makes the family question if they were down there suffering.
What I wonder is if in the last few minutes before the implosion they were hearing some rather scary, crunchy graunching kind of sounds, that weren’t supposed to be there that suggested the vessel was starting to fail under the immense pressure. That would be truly terrifying.
The titanic wreck has been so thoroughly mapped that if this debris was titanic wreckage the coast guard would have ruled it out immediately...it could very well be that the sub has been located with the determination that there are no survivors and the CG is briefing the families on how to go forward with the announcement...PS, anyone wanting to know what happens to a person when a sub implodes look up the byford dolphin incident....
I saw an interview with him. I think it was on CBS. He was surprisingly reluctant to give any details on what he thought may have gone wrong. I didn't expect him to say, " I told you so," but he barely said anything. Mabe he was trying to be considerate of the families?
I am heartbroken for these guys and their family and friends. So very sad. I did not know much about the process of the dive itself and thought that it was somehow attatched to a ship. I know now that it was not.
yup 19 year old olighard with keys to a billion but not anymore. death by a dodgy tin can and his dads wet dream and awful research skills. BBC called this thing a shambles over a year ago! I guess it was lost in translation.
I believe the submersible was not fully equipped for the challenge it offered. Other professionals in the field concur the hull was not capable of suffering the depths of it's mission and refused to join. Likely, they were crushed instantly as soon as they breached that limit. Also, there are a lot of debris fields surrounding the Titanic wreck itself, perhaps that's what is being found, or it's the debris of the imploded Titan. God bless all aboard and in the search efforts.
Everyone is suddenly an underwater operatives expert, all you people who work your boring daily jobs have so much self-confidence when you’ve never even been over 10 feet under water
@@joanna0988no they didn't go down 22 times. One guy said he went with them 4 times and lost communication everytime. After the first time why would you go again?
The Sub imploding on decent always made the most sense. If they had any other issues they had 7 different systems that could have brought them back to the sea surface. I have heard some interviews that the port window was only tested to 1300 meters.
I heard that about the window too, so it would make sense. Just one more short cut that was taken by Rush and it cost him and 4 others their lives. I hope they went quick. Condolences to the families; I can't imagine what they're going through right now.
Could they have used the systems like drop off parts etc. to ascend to the surface but got swept way off target and just haven't been found at the surface somewhere farther away than expected?
Oceangate CEO Stockton Rush used a knockoff madcatz playstation controller from 2010 to pilot the submersible. The CEO refused to allow the vessel to undergo a voluntary safety inspection numerous times by a company that specializes in this sort of thing. The CEO fired atleast 2 different engineers for raising safety concerns, one of which raised concerns about *THE INTEGRITY OF THE HULL!* The CEO went outside safety guidelines and the only reason it wasn't considered "breaking the law" is cause he did it way out in the ocean where "laws don't apply". Is it really such a struggle for you to believe that maybe what OP said here about the port window? Maybe it's true maybe it's not, but at this point it seems highly possible. Stop defending this shit just cause you think maybe you could take a ride on one.
Any sound recently heard is Spongebob cranking out crabbie patties. Because it's just as rediculous as paying $250,000 to travel to the bottom of the Ocean in equipment not advanced enough to deal with the Oceans evolution. Stressing out or possibly risking the lives of any of these rescuers who are using mass resources for individuals who have mass resources to waste while taking the ocean and equipment for granted, is what is wrong with this whole picture. Leave them down there.
Do your condolences go out to the families of the textile sweatshop workers of the Pakistani billionaire who were massacred in the 70s for trying to unionize?
This is a real tragedy any way you look at it but to me the greater tragedy is the father who allowed his 18 year old son to take such huge risks and then subsequently lose his life. The adults in the group could understand what they were getting into and could make the decision that the adventure was worth the risk for them. An 18 yo teenager is going to trust his father to look out for him and will take on an adventure if his father says it is OK. Sad.
I know right!!! And the dead can go and visit but why he allowed his son??? Seems so fishy and no love for children . Even bad parent won’t take that risk with their kid. Maybe he wanted both to die together somehting is sketchy about their story
@@KaleidoscopicPalindrome We do not have an active draft right now. If we were in a war as serious as WWII and had to start the draft we of course would have to by necessity draft every able bodied adult in the US.
@@topicalstormofficial Yes of course he was legally an adult but most 19 yo kids do not have the judgement or life experience to make such decisions. Especially when his dad is setting the example. And full adulthood is not until 21.
Carbon fiber is very strong in tensile (pulling) but weak in compression. The resin or glue is not strong in compression either. This material was not up to the task since the sub was under compression.
Based on the time the rescuers had tools available, remarkable effort, work, diligence, tenacity, and commitment to the mission! I extend my prayers to the families, friends, and loved ones.
I care for these people even though I don’t know them. Only those that don’t have a heart wouldn’t care. I care and pray for the families that are left behind.
Ok, it was fairly clear to me earlier what happened but now it's very clear to me what happened. The hull or the observation window failed. Probably more likely the observation window than the hull itself because they lost contact with the sub at 8500ft (2,950 meters) which is well beyond what the observation port was rated for, it was rated for a depth of only 1,300 meters. The only silver lining about this is that death would've been instant. The only indication they might've had that something was about to go wrong is the observation port cracking a fraction of a second before failing.
Of the five people missing and presumed dead, the potential death of that teenager on board is particularly hard to take. He had so much to live for and all was taken away because of the sheer stupidity of his wealthy father. Sure he's 19 and can make his own decision but the blame lies on the dad, plain and simple. If he was my kid and I'm going on this dive, he isn't getting anywhere near that sub. The poor family now has to grieve two family members, one of which is ONLY 19. Terribly tragic.
I can understand your reasoning completely but in all reality it could've just been a father trying to have a bonding moment with his child. Unfortunately this is where that has led them.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Till now 180 trips were made to Titanic by Ocean Gate and probably they accessed their risks as negligible...which seems sensible to me. It could happen to us when we go for hiking..just could fall off from the cliff and spend rest of the life in bed.
What makes me curious is why was the debris field located on the last expected day of oxygen? Especially if it was near the titanic to begin with? Why didn't they find it sooner (plenty of outlets have stated they've searched that area and miles apart, so why is it showing now)?
The only thing you should be sick about is the hundreds of missing kids/abuse victims/missing people daily getting 0 attention, but all this money is going toward finding 5 people who willingly made an idiotic decision
What a stupid thing to do !!! They found the frame by itself, because the Sub Imploded, and disconnected itself from the frame during the implosion !!!
I remember reading about the U.S.S. Thresher when I was a kid. It imploded at depth, and when they finally found the debris field it was scattered over a large area. They said there was evidence in the wreckage of the on-board atmosphere flashing into an instant fireball when it was subjected to the implosion pressure. The crew that weren't instantly consumed in the fire most likely died nanoseconds later in the water over-pressure. Horrific to think about, especially since they knew the sub was failing, but blissfully preferable to slowly suffocating or succumbing to hypothermia.
^^^ This. That much compression would make a diesel engine look like a fluffy puppy. Compression-ignition of anything carbon-based in milliseconds or less.
@@Vespyr_ Man I thought it would just be a crumpled mush of material and guts with a red mist floating around. This brings up a very interesting point. Carbon fibre...yeah. Just got even more intense.
The pressure difference would make there blood boil, literally. It happened in the past with diving bell accidents. The autopsy photos where horrific. An absolutely horrific way to die
I hope they didn't suffer, but this is a burial site where 1,500 people died, it's not a theme park. It's disgusting that the wreck of the Titanic had been treated as a tourist attraction by this company and its customers. I hope this finally puts and end to this morbid hobby of the super rich.
how are people going to sit here and say they deserve it, did it to themselves, etc. there is a 19 yr old boy and his father on this vessel. how can anyone say those things. no matter what ur opinion is about the rich and wealthy, this is a horrible and terrifying way to die and anyone who can sit here and say that they hope they are dead is evil.
As terrible as this situation is- no matter where you live, somewhere near you there has been a car accident in the last few days and the same amount of people tragically lost their lives. But it won't be covered in the media for days and months on end and you'll never hear of them. All life is precious, but I guess at least these folks had means to pursue their passions and hobbies. Pardon my lack of clarity, it just feels odd that so much attention is being given to this when so many have their lives shattered with tradgedy every day, that weren't millionaires.
That french rov has only been there a day and i believe that was the one that discovered it. Very stellar piloting / technology. *** edit it was actually the one from the usa. Great job to all crew involved in these rescue/recovery operations
Shame they didn't get it there Monday, it coupd have saved days of anguish for all watching amd hoping, not to mention all the extra money the search has cost.
It arrive on the site last night. If it's indeed the French ROV that discovered it, that means it only took them a few hours. That organisation ( IFREMER ) seems pretty efficient. Founded in 1984, and they found the Titanic a few months later. Their manned submersible ( the Nautile ) that did the first recoveries of the Titanic wreck has done more than 2000 missions.
Fascinating how far technology has advanced. Of course, this event is a tragedy but am I ever grateful to be living now. My condolences to all affected by this event.
Why didn’t they go in a submarine that can only be unlocked from the outside? Makes no sense because like they said even if they had came to the surface they would’ve ran out of oxygen because the door can only be opened on the outside 🤦♂️
They did 100% they heard it from a near by buoy at the same time they lost contact.. Same as the Kirsk. MSM wanted to keep the story going by not reporting it. Knew they were dead as soon as I heard it.
That’s not how anyone thinks in the SAR community. You do your job as though it’s a rescue mission until you get confirmation it’s not. I was a radio operator on a mission a few years back. Even when we found the accident site, and it was a bad one, we assumed there were survivors until we could account for everyone involved. Only then did we shift gears.
We all know how careful governments are in something sensitive like this - I don't think they would even release the news that they'd discovered a debris field if they didn't have a pretty damned good idea about what they were seeing. I think they've evaluated it enough, already, to know it's some pieces of this submersible. Probably the hull failed and these people died instantly - which beats various alternatives. The whole thing seemed incredibly risky and ill-advised (to put it mildly) but my condolences to all involved. Rest in peace to the souls who were lost.
There are unofficial sources saying that the debris includes the landing frame and a rear cover, which was not an integral part of the hull. If true, this would suggest an implosion.
It’s weird all that alien UFO stuff comes out when this happens, the government should stop lying to us guarantee they have the technology out of this world technology I could’ve found this submarine in an hour after it went missing
There is a large debris field around the Titanic. That means absolutely nothing unless they spotted something specific that would identify it as the missing sub
The normal debris field is well mapped, they know where every feature is located. This is new stuff. Granted, doesn't confirm it's the sub, but it's probably the sub.
They’re announcing it in a manner that suggests it’s from the DSV. This is consistent with the implosion during descent explanation. A sad outcome and lessons to be learned about never compromising on core hull integrity.
@@wafflesarelove So quick they would have been ash before they felt the walls or water. When a submarine implodes the air inside is super compressed and superheated.
Other than the 19yr old boy. I can’t find an ounce of empathy for the rest of them. The CEO was purposely irresponsible and the billionaires were absolutely arrogant knowing how unsafe it was and yet they still did it.
@@skimask5049 unlikely. The submersible wasn’t rated for those depths. Look at the 2018 lawsuit. Carbon fibre hull and port hole weren’t rated for those depths. He got away with it a few times. Making it weaker and weaker until this happened.
Completely agree, I thought of them today, especially the father and son, watching eachother "go" that is a nightmare and I wouldn't wish that upon any parent or child.
Why is nobody covering the utterly incompetent engineering of this craft? It's consensus that a sphere is the correct form factor, with perhaps an ellipsoid as secondary if asymmetry is mandatory. A cylinder is dramatically less structurally sound, and compression-wrapping _adds_ to compression forces.
Not yet my friend. The US Guard said that they will analyze these debris first to make sure they are from the Titan submersible. There is a lot of debris around the Titanic wreckage.
@@twilightresonance1789Dude I don't pretend any miracle at all, but to notify the family that their loved one is dead, then you need proof. I just repeat what the US Guard said so be cool dude
@@qedro Oh, sure genius. You KNOW they are in Heaven because you are God's right-hand man. Well, Scripture says the polar opposite: "Many are called but few are chosen." "Many in the end will call to me Lord, Lord and I will say, depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you." The only FACT we know is that they are DEAD. Boo-hoo.
@@Jnd23It's a human interest story that has gripped the world. Newsmakers exist to make money. You watch. They earn. It's no more sophisticated than that
Sadly, I knew as soon as news broke about this that it would be a recovery and not a rescue. Once something goes wrong at those depths and pressures, it goes catastrophically wrong.
An underwater craft being directed under the ocean with a tool same as a game controller?? Sorry for the loss of 5 lives, especially the kid of 19. Time to forget about that 100 year old rusted sea grave marker under the Atlantic, truly...
If we spent half as much effort helping poor and sick people as they have trying to track down the bodies of a few rich people then the world might actually be a decent place. Ridiculous.
What does it matter if they are rich? I am sure that if you where on a boat and it went missing you would be expecting that everyone would be searching for you.
The problem is that helping the poor and sick isn't as easy as throwing money at it. You have to contend with dictatorships, civil wars, mental health crisis', addictions, religious beliefs, etc etc.
@@SusanChristmas no, Susan, I wouldn’t….if I went on a dangerous trip to the bottom of the ocean in a sub and I signed an agreement knowing that I very well may die, I would accept my fate and absolutely not expect people to come looking for me. People don’t want to have any accountability for their stupid choices.
Not trying to be disrespectful but, 41 highschool kids where chopped and burned to death here in Uganda on Sunday night this week. Why is that not world news? Crazy.
Including the CEO onboard that knowingly ignored safety warnings, fired the person who tried to warn him, gave interviews before this dive saying that safety wasn’t a concern, didn’t bother to get his sub certified like every other Titanic-visiting sub is, and knew it had glass rated to only 1300m when they were going down over 3000m? He got the others killed through negligence and greed, so don’t feel bad for him at least.
@@flamingsickle don't forget he also refused to hire SMEs from the naval submarine world who are intimately familiar with the risks and challenges faced by deep sea submersibles because he "didn't want to hire a bunch of 50 year old white men" and instead opted to hire a bunch of woke college graduates who don't know a fucking thing about deep sea submersibles to score cheap DEI points with a demographic of people who already hate him for being a billionaire
Thanks for your kind word and treating these people with respect. The internet and social media have become a cesspool of hate. It's as if people have lost their humanity. A little kindness goes a long way. Take care.
Such a tragic event... my heart goes out to the lives lost and the families they've left behind. 5 people from different walks of life, with different motivations for bringing them down to the Titanic... but the harsh reminder is it doesn't matter who you are, that place is a mass burial for a reason and should be respected. Something might go right 99 out of 100 times, but all it takes if for you to be that 1 in 100 to remind the world that visits to these dangerous places often come at a steep cost. We might never know what happened to the sub, but tourism to the Titanic HAS to be heavily regulated to ensure any negligence that may have occurred does not happen again. We should even have a serious discussion about if such trips to the burial should even be considered AT ALL aside from scientific studies.
I just think we should stop tourism to the Titanic... Like you said, it's a mass burial of people who passed away in one of the most tragic events ever in history. It's sickening when you actually stop to think about it.
I completely understand what you’re saying about having more regulations. I was wondering if you feel the same way about billionaires going to space? Should that only be for scientific studies too since rockets can explode? I’m not trying to argue either way, I’d personally love to do both but I’m just a regular person so highly unlikely either will ever happen lol.
Even though it's easy to say since it's not our family members involved, but if it imploded, the families should count their blessings it happened so quick. Rather than them waiting to either lose oxygen or freeze to death in total darkness.
“No matter how bad life might seem at the moment, it could always be worse. Imagine being in a submarine deep in the Atlantic Ocean, about 12,000 feet down. It's pitch dark and freezing, you're with four others, and the air you need to breathe is almost gone. You’re isolated from the rest of the world, with no means of communication other than the four individuals in the submarine, uncertain if a rescue is even on the horizon. Now compare to that to your problems. Do you feel a renewed sense of fortune?”
I dont have a quarter million to blow on a vanity trip to visit a graveyard 12,500 feet underwater. And even if i did, you bet your ass i wouldnt go if ANY system whatsoever failed that pod is potentially now your tomb. Im not putting my life in a 50/50 situation with death being a 90% chance if i guess wrong.
if the wreckage is studied even in pictures from the drones.. the scietific community can tell us a lot about what happend... maybe there is some kind of computer memory box on there to record things like the 'Black box' on an airline.
They were smart and so well trained that if anything could have been done to save themselves, they'd have done it. So, it happened fast and probably with little or no suffering.
Preceding consecutive dives could have compromized the initial strenght of the hull, carbon may have different progressive wear patterns than steel or titanium, probably no laser examination was performed to search for micro-cracks or damage to the hull structure after each dive. Crushing at that dept must have been so fast/explosive they even had no time to suffer ....
The saddest part is that the CEO was so proud of not implementing safety regulations, and fired people who cared about the safety of the passengers. They didn't even have a basic emergency beacon or back up communication. So sad for everyone involved, especially the family members. :(
He was among the passengers and therefore among the dead. His company was a profit oriented fantasy for the rich to play scientist. youtube.com/@OceanGateExpeditions
And now he is dead. Karma baby.
And proud of not hiring “50 year old white guys.” Diversity hiring wins again. 🤦♂️
I smell lawsuit.
@@Cynthia99911
I am under the impression that they were all made to sign a waiver ? Anyone know for sure. And does that stop their families from suing ?
The issue with composite parts is that they are prone to delamination, shear fractures, and other catastrophic failures that are not present in a simpler material such as metal. This part should have been tested beyond its operating environment multiple times prior to the sub's completion to make sure it was sound.
The CEO boasts about using an aerospace mindset when designing the submarine, yet ignored all the safety features that make the process of flying safe: redundancies, evacuation procedures, regulation, subject matter experts, and a thorough testing and validation phase. Not even for unmanned drones aerospace engineers are this naïve. From an aerospace engineer.
The CEO bragged about using off-the-shelf camping items etc in the building of his sub, with the reason being as '(the pieces) being mass produced, therefore they're reliable'. Which is as terrible a forewarning as some of the operation handles being labelled with masking tape and Sharpie marker. :I
I read the only window was not designed to withstand the pressure so deep.
Thanks for the important information especially about SMEs and regulations.
They were testing it…. Going to the titanic was the test
@@TylesBrain Haven't they made the trip in 2022 and 2021 as well?
So the former employee was right. It was not capable to handle that pressure
Not repeatedly atleast.
Yes
He had the last laugh and the greatest i told you so 😂
@@TojiFushigoroWasTakenthose were friends. I don’t think he is laughing. I saw an interview and he was hoping he was wrong.
The Woke and Diverse crew who assembled this sub are not capable of answering that question... Just like the Woke nominee's running AMerica, NO Answers to any questions......
A retired Navy submarine Captain was shocked at the way this unit was put together. Josh Gates from Expedition Unknown did his homework and said "No" when it came to possibly making an episode in that unit at the Titanic.
A fellow tornado person, I see! I'll subscribe. That's my passion.
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I’m not diving 2.5+ miles into the ocean relying solely on remote control & no GPS tracking device after what happened with ARA San Juan submarine.
…Rich people’s problems…
@@u2-tv899 , more like idiots with too much money.
I hope they went quick and didn’t suffer. My heart goes out to the father and son. I still think these deaths were completely needless and lessons are learned.
if its a debris field, then they went quick the amount of pressure that hit the sub would have been instant
@@twilightresonance1789 It could've imploded after it drifted into something. Could've easily happened when they were dead
If that is the remains of it, they may have died quicker than they could have realized. its not drowning at those pressures really.
At that pressure it would have been near instant, they were probably talking and then it was over.
@@jhoughjr1 Probably the speed of blinking or even faster.
This might sound grim, but an implosion is better than them suffering for days. May they rest in peace ❤
That's one of the best deaths you could ever ask for. They wouldn't have even noticed the transition into the eternal darkness.
Or may they rest in pieces it's better phrased...
Of the various scenarios the 2 best outcomes are 1) they made it to the surface and were found and removed alive from the sub or 2) it imploded and they didn't even know what happened. They might hear some odd noises briefly and then bam, existence ends.
Now imagine they didn’t implode, but it got stuck vertically.
@@avi8r66you’re a brilliant scientist. Thank you for the analysis.
Somehow a quick death is far less horrifying than what could have occurred. R.I.P.
not true.. could have lost power and sunk down to bottom....... damaging the hull then imploding days later
@@skimask5049 If they had only lost power they had various ways of dropping weight that didnt need power so they would have been on the surface.
Looking on the bright side my man 👍
@@skimask5049they would have froze to death
@@skimask5049 doubt it. it really quacks like they imploded. they supposedly had 7 systems that should have surfaced them by now and only implosion could really take out all 7 at once it seems.
Anyone whom has ever done something that they knew could kill them, and then it does, they thought that it wouldn’t happen to them. Otherwise they wouldn’t have done it. They knew the risk and the worst happened, condolences to the families.
I believe that the danger was downplayed by the CEO for obvious reasons. That being said there should of been rehearsals and or practice runs for all involved. Plus a well experienced submariner
@@willchristie2650if I had the money I would
@@willchristie2650I'm sure there's some rich people out there that think they're on God's special list, but assure you the majority of rich people do not think like that.
Now is not the time for recriminations, but compassion. Thoughts and prayers go out on behalf of those loved ones.
@Kitsuneplayz309 idk why people say this but we live in a democracy well soon idk but the poor the poor I am tired of hearing that phrase for a myriad of reasons . My taxes pay the poor and NYC is killing the working class for the poor SMFH
there's a big message in all this, the billionare who has made all the money in the world ended up paying alot of money to meet his own death, the diver who visited the Titanic 37 times suffered the same fate as those in the ship he visited and is now a part of ocean with them... the father tryng to give his son a once in a lifetime experience ended up giving him his last experience at the age of 19, and the careless ceo who didn't want to follow safety measures ended up sinking with his own ship... i was captivated by this whole story and was hoping for a happy ending but atleast they went out quick and painless
My man you summed it up, with lots of words but still, you did it
@@pvaz no some get handed a silver platter to do "what they want"
@@pvaz Being able to buy things doesn't make for a richer human experience. They might have never experienced true friendship or love, true subservience to a deity, or true sacrifice for someone in greater need.
@@samsummer8382 i summarize with paragraphs 😂
@@callumbalodis1760 you sound jealous
Really well done to them for finding anything, it’s been one heck of a task. Hope the families get the closure they need.
It looks bad, Blessed Be.
What closure are they going to get?
@@ParissaKhoury that they know they are no longer alive sadly
I hope the families get a bill for the search.
@@ParissaKhoury Knowing it was instant death instead of slowly running out of oxygen after spending days in total darkness and fear.
I’m very relieved if we find out it imploded.. the other scenarios are too horrible to imagine.
Totally agree as sad as it is
At least the movie will be accurate to reality should be a short one.
It could've imploded after they died. Why does nobody realize that the people don't have to be alive for an implosion to occur. One bad drift into a rock and it's game over
@@havocodey that's what I'm suspecting also
Agree; they died before they could scream; instantaneously. At 7k feet.
Dray is flaming articulate, specific, and concrete in this report. This reporter is a breath of fresh air from the usual "hair spray" reporters who hose you down with words. Dray hoses you down with content. Excellent reporting. Harkens me back to the days of Cronkite and his crew.
That one guy who backed out at the last minute, made the best decision he EVER made for the REST of his life.
He listened to his intuition
Who is that guy? I thought its for 5 not 6 ppl
There have been a number of adventurers who signed up for previous expeditions with this company who pulled out due to concerns about safety issues. The arrogance of the builder of the submersible reminds me of the arrogance on the folks who built the Titanic with similar outcomes. Such a terrible situation for all involved. I hope and pray the families will get closure and that the occupants did not suffer.
Exactly this
They did make 22 previous dives without dying so I guess his track record wasn't bad enough to decide against it.
@@joanna0988they made a previous 3 dives, not 22
I don't think the builders of the Titanic said they "didn't want 50 year old white men" on the engineering team.
The engineer also told them there were safety issues and they disregarded it and FIRED him.
Respectfully, Some corners should never be cut. RIP to all.
I don't think that is the reason why, it is likely due to repeated exposure to pressure changes. The submersible was capable of going down to those depths and back and had done so before.. but they should've known that when dealing with those insane pressures you can't just keep reusing the same old equipment. It will fail.
@@averyisaiah1 testing for safety also serves to certify that repeated use is possible. If it gets damaged after a few dives it never was safe in the first place. Or it should have been replaced/rebuilt/adequately maintained. Either way it’s cutting corners.
@@pansepot1490 I think we can agree carbonfiber and steel are very different. I don't know for sure but I feel like any weakness in microfiber wouldn't really be noticed until it's too late.
Conclusion for that would be corners could be cut for unmanned subs for only a FEW Dives since the sub was actually successful for a few dives into the titanic.
But MANNED subs? it's another different casualty. Folks didnt account for the wear and tear after those successful dives. RIP
Yes, they should have had many more test and backup plans in place. Hindsight 20/20, but we can now learn some things at a very high price to pay...RIP❤
This whole situation could of been avoided if the owner of this sub had just listened to the people who deemed it unsafe.
Yes, instead of firing them
Yeah, Eh.
My heart goes out to everyone onboard, especially the 19 yr old
Even the CEO who took said 19 year old and company down in an unsafe machine that he had been warned about numerously, settled an unjust termination case with the former director who raised safety concerns, and brags about breaking rules to get the sub in the water?
They knew and signed the paperwork on the extreme dangers. They are accountable for their own deaths.
Yea, also 600 human has died near Greece in a boat two days ago, but with a huge difference, they were all refugies not billionaires!
People need to stay away from the titanic. There is no need to go there ever.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I feel bad for the owner down there
For the people on board of the submersible...due to the circumstances, I hope it happened fast, and they endured no pain. ...
Trust me it was faster then regular drowning, if it broke pressure killed them in a moment. But waiting for it was terrible, all of that anxiety, feeling trapped under the sea
@BushcraftEurope Damn!!!...I can not fathom the mental anguish they grappled with...like you said, while waiting.
Their minds wouldn't have had time to process pain if the submersible imploded which it most likely did
@@shumonbrown5229 I would die of panic attack honestly. It's just too much for anyone that kind of stuff. Prob the worst enviroment for a human beign. Even in space is more natural as at least you can see around and no pressure
Look up the byford dolphin incident....it was gruesome but quick
I have 45 years experience in broadcast and print news and would like to commend this reporter. He did an EXCELLENT job with this report.
Agree he's about the info little sensationalism
I was thinking the same , I really like his style & preparation.
Agreed.
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@@buzzXgirlfriendexcept he referred to Newfoundland as New Finland multiple times.
When they lost comms and the pinger all at once was a bad sign, but could have been a power failure. But the sub had 7 different ways to surface with one not requiring any input from a person. Special brackets dissolve slowly in seawater and when the time is up they break and drop the weights. When the sub didn’t come up after that time frame only a couple options left with the most likely, implosion. Engineers had stated their concerns about mixing carbon fiber with titanium. Those materials expand and contract at different rates and that would put huge stresses on the epoxy binding adhesive. One saving grace is they wouldn’t have known what happened, at that pressure it crushed in milliseconds.
that's true, if it would have been completely out of carbon fiber or completely out of metal, that would've been better. carbon fiber can become brittle in the extreme cold
Composites of all kinds. In different situations an stresses. Tend to delaminate as failures.
None of them Perry safety things ment squat. The one that mattered. Is like all the others. Built into the shape of a sphere an materials that’s not gonna delaminate an such things as that. So the pressure on it stays equal around it. These fools chances a cardboard tube it was only a matter of time.
@@AquaTech225 Exactly. They had I think 20 something dives thus far but just like a jetliner those expansion and contraction cycles take their toll and looking into their safety practices I highly doubt they were doing any non destructive testing to make sure its integrity held up. I'm not an engineer but when I saw they literally epoxied the end caps onto the hull I nearly spit my drink out.
I think that in the back of our minds we knew that it wasn't possible to get to them alive. I'm very sorry to see this. May they RIP
I said it from day 1, that this was a recovery vs rescue…
@@TopSecretVidyou want a medal Mr.I guessed a 50/50 outcome correctly?
I knew it right away😢😮😂
Tried to have hope tho
@@ImUrZaddy but its not 50/50 when you ignore materials and design principles already bought with lives sacrificed to Neptune.
Am I the only one having a hard time trying to understand the logic in going down this deep in the ocean in an uncertified vessel ? My condolences go out to the family members.
No. It was a stupid death mission
Because they could.
You’re not the only one.
Nope. Especially after watching this crap. The two minute commercial for the expedition is particularly persuasive with, I've done Everest and this is better...or, more people have been to space than have seen the Titanic. Why do people do this? Are they obsessed with the Titanic or is it something else for rich people to own? Either way, the company's channel has gross vibes youtube.com/@OceanGateExpeditions
Why do people bungy jump, sky dive, drag race and so on?
My opinion is they imploded as soon as they went missing. Something went wrong with the Titan. People need to leave that grave site alone from here on out
Absolutely. The souls of the Titanic claimed some more souls today. They are telling us to leave them alone
It's not a grave. It's absent the crucial element needed to be a grave..... bodies
Hats off to this reporter on his current evaluation of this story.
Its a bizarre situation. People who were very interested in the Titanic, and who, in previous years were fascinated with its fate and its discovery and subsequent wreck and debris field are now in fact part of the wreck and debris field.
To have your physical being transported from books, movies and documentaries to be physically part of the actual frozen location is nightmarish..
his wife defended from a couple who died in the titanic wreck. That explains to me more why he wanted to do it really.
if he wasnt so naive and had he just listened to some of the experts this could have been avoided.
Im not even an expert and as soon as I heard the construction, I was angry and flabbergasted.
Most expensive fish food ever
@@TojiFushigoroWasTaken yep. Billionairs. Its like we eat caviar
there's a big message in all this, the billionare who has made all the money in the world ended up paying alot of money to meet his own death, the diver who visited the Titanic 37 times suffered the same fate as those in the ship he visited and is now a part of ocean with them... the father tryng to give his son a once in a lifetime experience ended up giving him his last experience at the age of 19, and the careless ceo who didn't want to follow safety measures ended up sinking with his own ship... i was captivated by this whole story and was hoping for a happy ending but atleast they went out quick and painless
Really. Just terrible to imagine.
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Many people who had knowledge about submersives have been saying all along that the vessel likely imploded when communication with it abruptly ended, because none of the failsafes that were supposed to return it to the surface in case something happened did what they were designed to do, and the people onboard have been long dead. If they all died instantly in an implosion, that’s a whole lot better way to go than being trapped in a submersible, slowly freezing to death, and enduring the psychological terror of knowing your oxygen is running out, and you’re going to die. Someone in the comments of another video said suffocating is the best way to die, because you “just go to sleep”. The idiocy of that comment is unbelievable. I have had my airway occluded by a gigantic vitamin, and I can tell you the panic was immediate, and it was horrible. All I could think about was my children waking up to find their mother dead. By God’s grace it became unlodged, and I was able to cough it up, but the time when I wasn’t able to cough to get it out was terrifying, and as a Christian, I’m not afraid of death. It was the thought of my children finding me dead that was terrifying. Dying from oxygen deprivation is a horrible way to die, because it takes about 5 minutes for the brain to die, and so you are consciously aware that you’re dying for what would seem like an eternity, as your mind is frantically racing with panic. Unbelievable how dense some people are. I hope they all died instantly, and I am sorry for their grieving loved ones. May God have mercy on their souls.
(Edit: I stand corrected on the physiology of death from oxygen deprivation due to an occluded airway being quite different from the physiology of death from oxygen deprivation with an open airway, and the resulting death from increased levels of CO2. Thanks to those who explained the difference. It’s always good to learn. I apologize for my ignorance on the matter.)
I agree. It was an instantaneous death.
That is exactly what i thought
I dont think one should harshly judge comments that were well meaning...Take comments from whence they come and are intended. I believe suffocating from choking on a vitamin is different from suffocating due to a slow lack of oxygen. Its all terribly sad.
You had a vitamin stuck in your throat? Lmfao
Didn’t ask
I'm sorry for them. I don't see what is so interesting about going down to look at the Titanic shipwreck. It seems like a very skewed risk:reward ratio.
What's the point? You can see the wreck on video.
It's for bored rich people
I agree, but what motivates us isn't what motivates them. Be a shit world if we all thought the same and did the same things. There would be no progress, we'd still be living in trees.
technically this had a 99 percent success rate according to experimental data. trust the science bro.these data are phenomenal
If anything people should make one of those simulation rides that makes you feel like you’re at the bottom of the ocean looking at the titanic. Not actually GO to the bottom of the ocean
You are so lucky to have this reporter in the field! He is informative and even-toned, and respectful and sensitive in addressing this situation ❤❤❤
Most of us assumed days ago the sub was destroyed... It would have been a crazy store if they had in some way been rescued.
So the guy is doing his job, big deal.
When you pay for the Titanic experience and you get the Titanic experience
Lmao
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Legend has it they all rated it 5/5 stars
Hahahhahaha that's gold
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Steel cracks, but carbon fiber shatters in the event of a structural failure. If the Titan imploded the end would at least have been quick for the crew. If this is the case, my sincere condolences to all the affected families of the crew...
Maybe the end caps and titanium reinforcement rings might remain.
Steel shatters at that depth snd pressure too its all stupid, rich people problems
When I saw on some film how they wind a carbon tape on the drum during the production of the hull, it cut me off. For such applications, a dirty hall, material application without a vacuum chamber. I'm not surprised that the CEO didn't want to do a defectoscopy of the crafted body of the ship, there must have been a lot of built-in dust and air bubbles. There was no chance it wouldn't fail. From an engineer's point of view, it was pure cutting corners.
I hate carbon. It is misused in so many composite applications. It is good in compression and in tension, and should work well for submersibles. It has no sheer strength, and design of hardpoints must be complicated by this. If this debris is the sub, I suspect the occupants knew nothing about it. RIP.
nah I had a guy claim his 3d printer filament experiemtnes proved it cracked and didnt shatter. Was surprised he didnt know the difference here.
This is tragic but debris fields means it also the best outcome, they died quickly, likely instantly. My fear was those people were still alive trapped in that thing in freezing dark water, knowing they are going to die because there is nothing anyone can do.
Agree I hope they find debris and not an intact unit. I almost wished they hadn’t heard banging noises the other day because it makes the family question if they were down there suffering.
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What I wonder is if in the last few minutes before the implosion they were hearing some rather scary, crunchy graunching kind of sounds, that weren’t supposed to be there that suggested the vessel was starting to fail under the immense pressure. That would be truly terrifying.
The banging noises were the ghosts of the poor souls that died on the Titanic, saying don't come back here, our graves are not a tourist attraction.
And they baked cookies before playing Fortnite 👍🏼
Exactly. I find it so disrespectful that people want to "tour" the wreckage and that they're currently building a Titanic 2 🤦
Or the noise of a welcoming party for the 5 new members.
@@joanna0988 disrespectful to who? Those people are dead. They do no longer exist. You cannot disrespect something that isn't alive.
The titanic wreck has been so thoroughly mapped that if this debris was titanic wreckage the coast guard would have ruled it out immediately...it could very well be that the sub has been located with the determination that there are no survivors and the CG is briefing the families on how to go forward with the announcement...PS, anyone wanting to know what happens to a person when a sub implodes look up the byford dolphin incident....
That's explosive DEcompression. But the mess would be of....well a mess.
Ya think? 🙄🙄🙄 DUH.
I want to see an interview with the employee who was a whistleblower about the safety of this vessel.
Wasn't he fired?
And with the team on the surface who took too long to send for help, which could have shortened the search.
@@rhythmicelegance4670Ya I didn't like the sound of that. They waited 3 hours after they were supposed to return? 🤔
Give the whistleblower a million dollars! Too bad they didn't listen!
I saw an interview with him. I think it was on CBS. He was surprisingly reluctant to give any details on what he thought may have gone wrong. I didn't expect him to say, " I told you so," but he barely said anything. Mabe he was trying to be considerate of the families?
I am heartbroken for these guys and their family and friends. So very sad. I did not know much about the process of the dive itself and thought that it was somehow attatched to a ship. I know now that it was not.
It was supposed to be, the woke ceo didn't want distraction from the surface while he plunged them all to their deaths.
They killed themselves with their incompetence.
yup 19 year old olighard with keys to a billion but not anymore. death by a dodgy tin can and his dads wet dream and awful research skills. BBC called this thing a shambles over a year ago! I guess it was lost in translation.
Dont feel so bad. They were rich thrillseeksrs that knew the risks.
Could've been a Heaven's Gate type pact too , get Geraldo to look into it.
I believe the submersible was not fully equipped for the challenge it offered. Other professionals in the field concur the hull was not capable of suffering the depths of it's mission and refused to join. Likely, they were crushed instantly as soon as they breached that limit. Also, there are a lot of debris fields surrounding the Titanic wreck itself, perhaps that's what is being found, or it's the debris of the imploded Titan. God bless all aboard and in the search efforts.
They did make 22 previous dives though so it's not like the first time they went down the thing blew up.
Well where was you Sunday when the panic started we could have gave them a funeral by now 🙄....
Experts always late
@@joanna0988 they have not made 22 dives at that depth
Everyone is suddenly an underwater operatives expert, all you people who work your boring daily jobs have so much self-confidence when you’ve never even been over 10 feet under water
@@joanna0988no they didn't go down 22 times. One guy said he went with them 4 times and lost communication everytime. After the first time why would you go again?
The Sub imploding on decent always made the most sense. If they had any other issues they had 7 different systems that could have brought them back to the sea surface. I have heard some interviews that the port window was only tested to 1300 meters.
I've hear that too Rip to the ppl
I heard that about the window too, so it would make sense. Just one more short cut that was taken by Rush and it cost him and 4 others their lives. I hope they went quick. Condolences to the families; I can't imagine what they're going through right now.
@@bobbiestrella8160
1300 meter window, going down 4000 meters. Controlled using a $30 video game controller. What could possibly go wrong
Could they have used the systems like drop off parts etc. to ascend to the surface but got swept way off target and just haven't been found at the surface somewhere farther away than expected?
Oceangate CEO Stockton Rush used a knockoff madcatz playstation controller from 2010 to pilot the submersible.
The CEO refused to allow the vessel to undergo a voluntary safety inspection numerous times by a company that specializes in this sort of thing.
The CEO fired atleast 2 different engineers for raising safety concerns, one of which raised concerns about *THE INTEGRITY OF THE HULL!*
The CEO went outside safety guidelines and the only reason it wasn't considered "breaking the law" is cause he did it way out in the ocean where "laws don't apply".
Is it really such a struggle for you to believe that maybe what OP said here about the port window? Maybe it's true maybe it's not, but at this point it seems highly possible.
Stop defending this shit just cause you think maybe you could take a ride on one.
The sub most likely imploded. It makes sense because they had multiple back up plans to resurface and never did.
what about those banging noises? it was clearly an emergency call
@@Brano88.those were whales in heat..or mayb giant megalodon sized crabs
Honestly best news you could get is this is proof of implosion. Means they didn’t suffer and died instantly rather than a slow and terrifying death
My heartfelt condolences go out to the families and loved ones affected by this event.
Any sound recently heard is Spongebob cranking out crabbie patties. Because it's just as rediculous as paying $250,000 to travel to the bottom of the Ocean in equipment not advanced enough to deal with the Oceans evolution. Stressing out or possibly risking the lives of any of these rescuers who are using mass resources for individuals who have mass resources to waste while taking the ocean and equipment for granted, is what is wrong with this whole picture. Leave them down there.
what ? They knew what they are doing.
They are not affected by this event but their stupidity
Arrogant billionaires and millionaires probably make great chum.
Do your condolences go out to the families of the textile sweatshop workers of the Pakistani billionaire who were massacred in the 70s for trying to unionize?
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This is a real tragedy any way you look at it but to me the greater tragedy is the father who allowed his 18 year old son to take such huge risks and then subsequently lose his life. The adults in the group could understand what they were getting into and could make the decision that the adventure was worth the risk for them. An 18 yo teenager is going to trust his father to look out for him and will take on an adventure if his father says it is OK. Sad.
@@KaleidoscopicPalindrome If you raise the voting age you have to raise the draft age.
I know right!!! And the dead can go and visit but why he allowed his son??? Seems so fishy and no love for children . Even bad parent won’t take that risk with their kid. Maybe he wanted both to die together somehting is sketchy about their story
The 19yr old was an adult.
@@KaleidoscopicPalindrome We do not have an active draft right now. If we were in a war as serious as WWII and had to start the draft we of course would have to by necessity draft every able bodied adult in the US.
@@topicalstormofficial Yes of course he was legally an adult but most 19 yo kids do not have the judgement or life experience to make such decisions. Especially when his dad is setting the example. And full adulthood is not until 21.
I love Dray Clark's delivery. It is clear, well organized, keeps speculation where it belongs, and tells us what we need to know, if it is known.
yep, except for newfinland.
@@johnbland3642*Newfoundland?
First time seeing him report. Very well done.
you know he has a script, right?
@@ep1cg4m3r69Do you know people mess up even with a script?
Carbon fiber is very strong in tensile (pulling) but weak in compression. The resin or glue is not strong in compression either. This material was not up to the task since the sub was under compression.
Based on the time the rescuers had tools available, remarkable effort, work, diligence, tenacity, and commitment to the mission! I extend my prayers to the families, friends, and loved ones.
Stop pretending you care about these people who you don't know.... 🙄
@@Gonken88sounds good though right lol
Belief in God makes all the difference in your life. I’m sorry not everybody has that comfort.
@@Gonken88you a weirdo.
I care for these people even though I don’t know them. Only those that don’t have a heart wouldn’t care. I care and pray for the families that are left behind.
Ok, it was fairly clear to me earlier what happened but now it's very clear to me what happened. The hull or the observation window failed. Probably more likely the observation window than the hull itself because they lost contact with the sub at 8500ft (2,950 meters) which is well beyond what the observation port was rated for, it was rated for a depth of only 1,300 meters. The only silver lining about this is that death would've been instant. The only indication they might've had that something was about to go wrong is the observation port cracking a fraction of a second before failing.
The mental image I got while reading your comment made every hair on my body stand on end. Wow.
Reminds me of the abyss movie
Ok so would the vessel explode due to the pressure or did the vessel flood?
You’re right. Implosion would have been the best way for it to go down (no pun intended) so at least there’s that.
@@oh_k8 the window would of cracked and maybe they seen this for a second or 2 then the whole sub would impolde from all the pressure
Of the five people missing and presumed dead, the potential death of that teenager on board is particularly hard to take. He had so much to live for and all was taken away because of the sheer stupidity of his wealthy father. Sure he's 19 and can make his own decision but the blame lies on the dad, plain and simple. If he was my kid and I'm going on this dive, he isn't getting anywhere near that sub. The poor family now has to grieve two family members, one of which is ONLY 19. Terribly tragic.
Funny how you give a 19 year old more right to live than say a 55 year old. How God like of you. You're sick.
I can understand your reasoning completely but in all reality it could've just been a father trying to have a bonding moment with his child. Unfortunately this is where that has led them.
@PQV-8898 Totally agree.
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.... freedom to do just that
Hindsight is always 20/20. Till now 180 trips were made to Titanic by Ocean Gate and probably they accessed their risks as negligible...which seems sensible to me. It could happen to us when we go for hiking..just could fall off from the cliff and spend rest of the life in bed.
What makes me curious is why was the debris field located on the last expected day of oxygen? Especially if it was near the titanic to begin with? Why didn't they find it sooner (plenty of outlets have stated they've searched that area and miles apart, so why is it showing now)?
agree;i don't trust news sights anymore; they are censored as to what to say by elites.
It took that long to get a rover there able to dive to that depth.
They didn't search the bottom on the surface.
Am still remembering the guy who got fired, Mr lochridge all those safety concerns raised and the CEO ignored, now he is lying 12k feet deep💔
He's 12,000 feet deep of regrets nooow 😂😂😂😂
He sounded kind of nuts so maybe he's happy to die there 🤷🏼♀️
The stepson is so devastated that he said he will be attending only one concert this weekend.
I have felt sick to my stomach since hearing the news on this from the very beginning...my deepest heartfelt condolences to the families.
The only thing you should be sick about is the hundreds of missing kids/abuse victims/missing people daily getting 0 attention, but all this money is going toward finding 5 people who willingly made an idiotic decision
If you have watched "I shouldn't be alive". This is a similar story but with worst news.
Yea, also 600 human has died near Greece in a boat two days ago, but with a huge difference, they were all refugees, not billionaires!
What a stupid thing to do !!! They found the frame by itself, because the Sub Imploded, and disconnected itself from the frame during the implosion !!!
I remember reading about the U.S.S. Thresher when I was a kid. It imploded at depth, and when they finally found the debris field it was scattered over a large area. They said there was evidence in the wreckage of the on-board atmosphere flashing into an instant fireball when it was subjected to the implosion pressure. The crew that weren't instantly consumed in the fire most likely died nanoseconds later in the water over-pressure. Horrific to think about, especially since they knew the sub was failing, but blissfully preferable to slowly suffocating or succumbing to hypothermia.
^^^ This. That much compression would make a diesel engine look like a fluffy puppy. Compression-ignition of anything carbon-based in milliseconds or less.
@@erickleven1712 So basically it turned everyone inside that sub into fuel...
@@Vespyr_ Man I thought it would just be a crumpled mush of material and guts with a red mist floating around. This brings up a very interesting point. Carbon fibre...yeah. Just got even more intense.
If you were going to die of suffocation you would just turn the CO2 remover off and go to sleep
The pressure difference would make there blood boil, literally. It happened in the past with diving bell accidents. The autopsy photos where horrific. An absolutely horrific way to die
I hope they didn't suffer, but this is a burial site where 1,500 people died, it's not a theme park. It's disgusting that the wreck of the Titanic had been treated as a tourist attraction by this company and its customers. I hope this finally puts and end to this morbid hobby of the super rich.
Burial site? Lol. No one was buried there. Also no bodies exist. So it's not a grave
how are people going to sit here and say they deserve it, did it to themselves, etc. there is a 19 yr old boy and his father on this vessel. how can anyone say those things. no matter what ur opinion is about the rich and wealthy, this is a horrible and terrifying way to die and anyone who can sit here and say that they hope they are dead is evil.
this should be blamed on whoever is responsible for the faulty design and for cutting corners while constructing it
One of the dead is the CEO who bypassed safety warnings just to yield a profit. Maybe he's an exception here.
As terrible as this situation is- no matter where you live, somewhere near you there has been a car accident in the last few days and the same amount of people tragically lost their lives. But it won't be covered in the media for days and months on end and you'll never hear of them. All life is precious, but I guess at least these folks had means to pursue their passions and hobbies. Pardon my lack of clarity, it just feels odd that so much attention is being given to this when so many have their lives shattered with tradgedy every day, that weren't millionaires.
That french rov has only been there a day and i believe that was the one that discovered it. Very stellar piloting / technology. *** edit it was actually the one from the usa. Great job to all crew involved in these rescue/recovery operations
Shame they didn't get it there Monday, it coupd have saved days of anguish for all watching amd hoping, not to mention all the extra money the search has cost.
Yep, top shelf stuff
@@BlueVelvetBearI bet the news stations don't mind us constantly tuning in 😅
It arrive on the site last night. If it's indeed the French ROV that discovered it, that means it only took them a few hours. That organisation ( IFREMER ) seems pretty efficient. Founded in 1984, and they found the Titanic a few months later. Their manned submersible ( the Nautile ) that did the first recoveries of the Titanic wreck has done more than 2000 missions.
Fascinating how far technology has advanced. Of course, this event is a tragedy but am I ever grateful to be living now. My condolences to all affected by this event.
And sad the developers of this submersible didn’t use that technology.
This submersible was 'lost' because the builder failed to include a lot of the newest technology into its design and construction.
The CEO said he wouldn't hire white men, no matter their expertise and experience.
Something don’t sit right with all this why didn’t they use the underwater drone sooner why that waited till today to use it
Why didn’t they go in a submarine that can only be unlocked from the outside? Makes no sense because like they said even if they had came to the surface they would’ve ran out of oxygen because the door can only be opened on the outside 🤦♂️
"When that air supply would have run dry, or expired".
What a weird way to say: "When they would have run out of breathable air".
I believe they knew it had imploded from the beginning
a very bold assumption
They did 100% they heard it from a near by buoy at the same time they lost contact.. Same as the Kirsk. MSM wanted to keep the story going by not reporting it. Knew they were dead as soon as I heard it.
From what I recall the hull wasn't designed to go even half the distance
That’s not how anyone thinks in the SAR community. You do your job as though it’s a rescue mission until you get confirmation it’s not. I was a radio operator on a mission a few years back. Even when we found the accident site, and it was a bad one, we assumed there were survivors until we could account for everyone involved. Only then did we shift gears.
@@MaXiMoS54 it's been there multiple times, the integrity most likely was compromised (if they imploded)
Now we can have sub trips to see the imploded titanic sub too
We all know how careful governments are in something sensitive like this - I don't think they would even release the news that they'd discovered a debris field if they didn't have a pretty damned good idea about what they were seeing. I think they've evaluated it enough, already, to know it's some pieces of this submersible. Probably the hull failed and these people died instantly - which beats various alternatives. The whole thing seemed incredibly risky and ill-advised (to put it mildly) but my condolences to all involved. Rest in peace to the souls who were lost.
There are unofficial sources saying that the debris includes the landing frame and a rear cover, which was not an integral part of the hull. If true, this would suggest an implosion.
It’s weird all that alien UFO stuff comes out when this happens, the government should stop lying to us guarantee they have the technology out of this world technology I could’ve found this submarine in an hour after it went missing
It's foolish to risk more lives trying to recover the corpses of 5 fools.
There is nothing to recover.
There is a large debris field around the Titanic. That means absolutely nothing unless they spotted something specific that would identify it as the missing sub
The normal debris field is well mapped, they know where every feature is located. This is new stuff. Granted, doesn't confirm it's the sub, but it's probably the sub.
My thoughts exactly. I understand people want an immediate confirmation BUT the debris field needs to be examined very well which takes time.
Yes, because carbon fiber was very common and used frequently on ships of Titanic's age. ARE YOU INSANE?
Im sure that's where they're getting at, dude. They know what Titanic debris looks like
Exactly right. Its probably Titanic debris. I doubt there is anything left of that sub.
I like this reporter style. He speaks well and concisely
Now if he can only pronounce NewFoundLand not NewFinland.
Correction that wasn't a submarine, it was a submersible.
It was a tin can death trap at best
Condolences to the family members of the lives lost.
They’re announcing it in a manner that suggests it’s from the DSV. This is consistent with the implosion during descent explanation. A sad outcome and lessons to be learned about never compromising on core hull integrity.
They never should have been allowed to compromise on ANY regulated safety features especially when planning to carry passengers.
The funny thing, the CEO literally boasted about the hull often telling people that it was the safest part of the vessel.
agreed
My heart goes out to their families. I hope they passed quick this is beyond sad.
@@wafflesarelove Thank you for the update. I had no idea.
Nothing faster.
Over in milliseconds
@@wafflesarelove So quick they would have been ash before they felt the walls or water. When a submarine implodes the air inside is super compressed and superheated.
Vaporized
Sad. Rest in peace to the victims and prayers go out to their family and friends
Other than the 19yr old boy. I can’t find an ounce of empathy for the rest of them. The CEO was purposely irresponsible and the billionaires were absolutely arrogant knowing how unsafe it was and yet they still did it.
Yeah all the signs pointed to implosion
I heard there was some sort of seismic detection around the time they went missing, suggesting that it almost immediately imploded.
Correct. The experts initially predicted that likely implosion.
@@ramavetos not true.. could have lost power and sunk down to bottom....... damaging the hull then imploding days later
@@skimask5049 unlikely. The submersible wasn’t rated for those depths. Look at the 2018 lawsuit. Carbon fibre hull and port hole weren’t rated for those depths. He got away with it a few times. Making it weaker and weaker until this happened.
@@skimask5049at 3200 meters there was an attempt to abort. So no did not hit the bottom
In such circumstances, a quick and instantaneous end through an implosion may be considered a better outcome!
Completely agree, I thought of them today, especially the father and son, watching eachother "go" that is a nightmare and I wouldn't wish that upon any parent or child.
I agree. They weren't suffocated slowly which would have been an agonizing death.
My condolences for the families, coworkers, and search and rescue.
Why they were rich idiots, if anything their families are going to be raking in a fat inheritance lol
We will make sure to pass your heartfelt message to the families. I’m sure you just made their day.
@@skyknight1281The amount of șelf frustration emanating from your comment is mind boggling.
The familes will be rich from inheritance... they will cash the check and soon forget about them
@@Riorozen problem is I have, people value money over life too many times
Why is nobody covering the utterly incompetent engineering of this craft? It's consensus that a sphere is the correct form factor, with perhaps an ellipsoid as secondary if asymmetry is mandatory. A cylinder is dramatically less structurally sound, and compression-wrapping _adds_ to compression forces.
I think by now they are just taking their time notifying the families about what the ROV had found.
Not yet my friend. The US Guard said that they will analyze these debris first to make sure they are from the Titan submersible. There is a lot of debris around the Titanic wreckage.
@@tuanngnt they are gone, stop pretending miracles happen
@@tuanngnt I hope am wrong.
@@twilightresonance1789Dude I don't pretend any miracle at all, but to notify the family that their loved one is dead, then you need proof. I just repeat what the US Guard said so be cool dude
@@tuanngnt if it was something new and different fresh color, versus gray surrounding it would point to the missing sub
How disheartening. They wanted a Titanic experience... looks like they may have gotten what they paid for.
*paid
And now they're having the heaven experience. Not bad.
They got the full experience
@@qedro Oh, sure genius. You KNOW they are in Heaven because you are God's right-hand man. Well, Scripture says the polar opposite: "Many are called but few are chosen." "Many in the end will call to me Lord, Lord and I will say, depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you." The only FACT we know is that they are DEAD. Boo-hoo.
Looks like you'll get your headlines after all Mr. Ismay!
It"s truly amazing how quickly the nations came together for this search. I pray on their mission, we lose no one else in their heroic efforts. ❤
Only because they were billionaires, if it were you, it wouldn't have even made the news.
@@Exotic-P ditto
@@Exotic-P Sadly, true
@@Exotic-PThat's not true. Those boys in the cave in Thailand weren't billionaires.
@@Jnd23It's a human interest story that has gripped the world. Newsmakers exist to make money. You watch. They earn. It's no more sophisticated than that
This reporter explained everything perfectly condolences to the family
Sadly, I knew as soon as news broke about this that it would be a recovery and not a rescue. Once something goes wrong at those depths and pressures, it goes catastrophically wrong.
Mr Clark did a very good job of describing what was going on very informative.
An underwater craft being directed under the ocean with a tool same as a game controller?? Sorry for the loss of 5 lives, especially the kid of 19. Time to forget about that 100 year old rusted sea grave marker under the Atlantic, truly...
If we spent half as much effort helping poor and sick people as they have trying to track down the bodies of a few rich people then the world might actually be a decent place. Ridiculous.
What does it matter if they are rich? I am sure that if you where on a boat and it went missing you would be expecting that everyone would be searching for you.
Thank you!!!
The problem is that helping the poor and sick isn't as easy as throwing money at it. You have to contend with dictatorships, civil wars, mental health crisis', addictions, religious beliefs, etc etc.
@@SusanChristmas no, Susan, I wouldn’t….if I went on a dangerous trip to the bottom of the ocean in a sub and I signed an agreement knowing that I very well may die, I would accept my fate and absolutely not expect people to come looking for me. People don’t want to have any accountability for their stupid choices.
What a dumb ass comment.
This is such a sad situation, i think they imploded as soon as contact was lost ... SMH ..
They can use the camera on the ROV to positively identify any Home Depot, Camper World, or Wal Mart purchased parts of the sub.
Not trying to be disrespectful but, 41 highschool kids where chopped and burned to death here in Uganda on Sunday night this week. Why is that not world news? Crazy.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the 5 people on board and their families
Including the CEO onboard that knowingly ignored safety warnings, fired the person who tried to warn him, gave interviews before this dive saying that safety wasn’t a concern, didn’t bother to get his sub certified like every other Titanic-visiting sub is, and knew it had glass rated to only 1300m when they were going down over 3000m? He got the others killed through negligence and greed, so don’t feel bad for him at least.
@@flamingsickle don't forget he also refused to hire SMEs from the naval submarine world who are intimately familiar with the risks and challenges faced by deep sea submersibles because he "didn't want to hire a bunch of 50 year old white men" and instead opted to hire a bunch of woke college graduates who don't know a fucking thing about deep sea submersibles to score cheap DEI points with a demographic of people who already hate him for being a billionaire
They are dead they don't care
Thanks for your kind word and treating these people with respect. The internet and social media have become a cesspool of hate. It's as if people have lost their humanity. A little kindness goes a long way. Take care.
@@mtadams2009The Bible says that in the last days the love of many will grow cold. I think we are seeing that.
Who would go to that depth in a submersible that resembles a Fleshlight?
Built with parts from Campers World.
James Cameron
@@absolutelypro4612 he went with the Russians in a regulated submersible.
Lmao
Fleshlight eh?
Such a tragic event... my heart goes out to the lives lost and the families they've left behind.
5 people from different walks of life, with different motivations for bringing them down to the Titanic... but the harsh reminder is it doesn't matter who you are, that place is a mass burial for a reason and should be respected. Something might go right 99 out of 100 times, but all it takes if for you to be that 1 in 100 to remind the world that visits to these dangerous places often come at a steep cost.
We might never know what happened to the sub, but tourism to the Titanic HAS to be heavily regulated to ensure any negligence that may have occurred does not happen again. We should even have a serious discussion about if such trips to the burial should even be considered AT ALL aside from scientific studies.
What a dumb argument for not going down there.
My heart moves on
Different walks of life, they were all rich.
I just think we should stop tourism to the Titanic... Like you said, it's a mass burial of people who passed away in one of the most tragic events ever in history. It's sickening when you actually stop to think about it.
I completely understand what you’re saying about having more regulations. I was wondering if you feel the same way about billionaires going to space? Should that only be for scientific studies too since rockets can explode? I’m not trying to argue either way, I’d personally love to do both but I’m just a regular person so highly unlikely either will ever happen lol.
Reporter did a wonderful job in his report. Praying for the Men and their loved ones thats holding on to hope. 💔 to say the least.
Even though it's easy to say since it's not our family members involved, but if it imploded, the families should count their blessings it happened so quick. Rather than them waiting to either lose oxygen or freeze to death in total darkness.
Exactly, they were fucked regardless if they were actually stuck and alive. It’s sad, I can’t inmagine the horror had it gotten stuck vertically
“No matter how bad life might seem at the moment, it could always be worse. Imagine being in a submarine deep in the Atlantic Ocean, about 12,000 feet down. It's pitch dark and freezing, you're with four others, and the air you need to breathe is almost gone. You’re isolated from the rest of the world, with no means of communication other than the four individuals in the submarine, uncertain if a rescue is even on the horizon. Now compare to that to your problems. Do you feel a renewed sense of fortune?”
I dont have a quarter million to blow on a vanity trip to visit a graveyard 12,500 feet underwater. And even if i did, you bet your ass i wouldnt go if ANY system whatsoever failed that pod is potentially now your tomb.
Im not putting my life in a 50/50 situation with death being a 90% chance if i guess wrong.
To the familys of everyone on board .... My condolences.
Not mine. They knew what they PAID for with Mr CEO screw safety.
@@AquaTech225 Same here. Mr CEO woke leftist
Man this is heartbreaking! So sad! My prayers to the families 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Absolutely 💯 prayers 🙏
It's a miracle they found anything. Very sad😢
My heart goes out to them because you'll never know what really happened
Yes we do, the sub imploded, literally.
if the wreckage is studied even in pictures from the drones.. the scietific community can tell us a lot about what happend... maybe there is some kind of computer memory box on there to record things like the 'Black box' on an airline.
They were smart and so well trained that if anything could have been done to save themselves, they'd have done it. So, it happened fast and probably with little or no suffering.
@@PEYPLACE The problem is that it is not a survivable environment.
Yes we know exactly what happened. It imploded.
How they could have been allowed to use that vessel is beyond me.
Agreed. It's a huge risk to sign that waiver. I've gone skydiving and this is def not something I'd feel safe doing.
Paid somebody off
its international waters... no government to check in with...
$$$$ ....
Agreed!!!!
I can't believe they actually named themselves "OceanGate"
Preceding consecutive dives could have compromized the initial strenght of the hull, carbon may have different progressive wear patterns than steel or titanium, probably no laser examination was performed to search for micro-cracks or damage to the hull structure after each dive.
Crushing at that dept must have been so fast/explosive they even had no time to suffer ....
Very good presentation of this current status by your news crew, well done, professional