"Titanic" filmmaker James Cameron weighs in on the 'catastrophic' Titan sub implosion | ABC News
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- "I'm struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself."
Filmmaker James Cameron and oceanographer Cmdr. Robert Ballard weigh in on the Titan submersible tragedy.
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James went straight for the jugular, and he's 100% right.
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Now that’s a man that knows what he’s talking about.
Agreed💯.
@@toffeetoffee6457 Everything I've heard about James Cameron is that he can be an arsehole . . . But he's an arsehole who respects the subject matter he's involving himself with. When he did his deep sea dives, he went down in submersibles designed by people who really understood what they were doing and respected the sheer hostility of the environment.
hes an expert so yep
James Cameron was wise to "keep his powder dry" by keeping silent until the crew of the Titan were confirmed dead.
I know the world was waiting for him to say something and it must have been tempting.
Class act and I respect him for not speculating during the rescue phase like all the other so-called 'experts'.
I agree with your comment.
Absolutely agree 👍 💯✌🇨🇦
@@markuss4133 He is the titanic guy, they all want his 2 cents.
@@markuss4133experience from a study and personal experience in submarining at the titanic site, literally the topic. Keep up.
@@markuss4133because he survived when he was down there multiple times and those people didn't.
"Mr Cameron, what are your thoughts?" "Guys were noobs, I designed my own sub that can go three times deeper." What a flex.
damn man
It wasn't a 'flex'. It was explaining that it IS possible to build one to go that deep and deeper but when building the sub YOU DO NOT IGNORE SAFETY!
Yeah man.. big flex from... a holywood director, clearly the best man to comment.... Does he actually have any qualification that is relevant? Nah... he's just spouting what far smarter people have said.
@@chrisjones8379 he has vast diving experience and knows a thing or two about the subs he is using too. While he didn't finish his physics degree he does have engineering experience. He fact that he is a filmmaker does not take away from his knowledge in another field that is also his passion.
@@chrisjones8379 Cameron has set world records for deep sea diving and he's been to the Titanic 33 times in a sub he designed himself. He's not just an expert on this subject, he's THE expert.
Gave me goosebumps when he said that the captain ignored warnings, and proceeded to the same fate as the titanic!
James Cameron has done the same, during the filming of the abyss he rushed ahead and ignored safety leading to his cast getting chemical burns.
@@pete5516yeah not exactly, dude.
He's 100% right. Excellent analysis. OceanGate acted incredibly recklessly and irresponsibly. There's nothing innovative about companies that blatantly ignore the most basic safety protocols. Way too many corners were cut.
SO TRUE...WHEN THEY SHOWED VIDEOS OF THE OWNER HE SAID HIMSELF HE WAS DOING IT HIS WAY EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW NOTHING...IT WAS CRAZY...HE DID NOT WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE PROFESSIONALS HAD TO SAY...SAD!
they used a $29 logestic controller? like wtf how dumb are these billionaires they could have made a way better investment.
@@jeffmccloud905 Good question. I can’t understand how a man with such extensive experience could look at that bucket of bolts and not raise numerous red flags, let alone get inside it.
And he started as a truck driver.. Think about it.
Even the building of the submersible was done wrong. The experts needed were not hired. Pretty negligent all around.
James Cameron is much more than what the majority of people credit him for. He is a versatile creative , storyteller , producer , designer , passionate about science , trendsetter , ...etc
Well, most of us just had no idea he was educated beyond just filmmaking. I didn't know he was so educated and intelligent.
He is going to direct this movie next... that's for sure.
well when you have millions, you kinda have time to do many things..
He's brilliant
And accusing an innocent man of murdering people with no historical evidence, branded Ismay who saved countless passengers and donated money to the victims’ families as a coward, and falsified history.
As a Canadian, I've always been proud of James Cameron for one of my most favorite movies to date. But as an engineer and the son of an aviation safety inspector, he just increased my respect for him ten fold. His understanding of engineering principles and safety standards is quite respectable. He certainly deserves an honorary engineering degree for pushing the boundary of science while keeping safety in mind. That is the ethics of a true engineer.
Didn't kno he was a Mapleman... nice
Indeed. Listen to his interview with Anderson Cooper. It's even better than this one. You'll enjoy it.
James cameron is American !! He is American !! Not canadian !! No and not
Which movie, pray tell?
@@maiusami1585you clearly need to look him up then he is from a town in ontario
He’s the first person the news should have reached out to. He’s not just a expert on this matter, he’s THE EXPERT. He’s set records for deep dives.
You should listen to Bob Ballard's interview too. Both are inspiring people
I'm sure his phone was ringing off the hook as soon as the story broke, but I'm guessing he held back on commenting until more information made it's way out instead of making knee-jerk suppositions.
And he Respected the Russian vessels construction, and at 2 at a time for backup.
Why didn’t they go to him and Dr Ballard in the first place?
I'd respectfully say that Bob Ballard's THE expert - it was him and Jean-Louis Michel who found the wreck of the Titanic in the first place, and Ballard *also* found the wrecks of the US submarines Scorpion and Thresher, the Bismarck, JFK's PT 109, the Lusitania, and the Yorktown, just to name a few. He's the pioneer of deep sea archaeology, and he's also done some pretty incredible research on the undersea volcanoes of the mid-oceanic ridge. I'm not putting down James Cameron's achievements in any way; no one can argue that he's not an incredible deep sea explorer and engineer, and the best underwater filmmaker of all time. I'm just saying that Cameron wouldn't have been able to dive the Titanic in the 90's if Ballard hadn't found it in the 80's. They're both amazing, and deserving of huge respect, unlike the dead CEO on the ocean floor with his failed sub.
This was the most informative TV news interview I've seen in a very very long time. James Cameron was concise, informative and respectful but, he also made his opinions about the risks of the submersible clear. And the host let him speak.
I agree , an excellent interview.
Also the first to provide a loose but fact-based timeline of events. I had no idea the ballast release would likely have been in response to the delamination sensors going off.
RIGHT!? I learned alot!
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
Im blown away by how much of a subject matter expert James is. If it werent for his passion in films, its obvious he'd have become a great engineer.
He was already a great engineer. Computer modeled and tested his sub design for 3 years before the build. Very much understood engineering and physics as his father did. Dudes a legend.
He's a great engineer who happens to use it for movies. Those Avatar movies are like huge science experiments.
@@justafidemyselfHe’s been a pioneer in that field since The Abyss in 1989!
He's a great movie maker and director. Why engineering? 😮
@@hairpitch - Why not? People can have multiple interests. His father was an engineer. His mother, an artist. He can have an interest in both.
I just told my wife that James Cameron is a deep sea exploration expert who just also happens to be a great filmmaker. The man knows his stuff and he’s absolutely right.
Who cares what you told your wife are you telling her also after going to a toilet?
I think the only reason he makes movies is to make enough money to fund his explorations.
@@MrJetMango Who cares about your comment. Or you for that matter.
And knows the future of social media aka Skynet
@@seizegott That makes sense
The fact that james has been there 33 times is unreal.
and supremely idiotic. if only these rich assholes spent their millions on something that did us some good
33 = Freemason
Been down to the Marriana Trench for God's sake.
It's the difference between "trusting the science" or actually doing the work.
“33 times”
Imagine being down there 33 times as James has. Brilliant man and so well qualified to weigh in on this sad day.
Cameron cheated death himself.
I'm sorry but I just don't see the need to go down there even once let alone 33 times!!!!😱
33? 🤔 Almost ritualistic pattern innit
@@Agostoic They LOVE the 33
@notexpatjoehe dangers of riding a plane is far less compared to the dangers of diving deep in the ocean with a submersible/submarine.
Edit: or not, i dont really know
I just developed a whole new level of respect for this man. Didn’t realize how smart he was in science and engineering
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
This is actually the best interview I've watched on the subject. Great analysis by Mr. Cameron.
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He ignored safety when it suited him and cut corners putting people at risk, yet he conveniently never mentions that.
Titanic still teaches people about safety first... amazing... Its 100 years later and still the lesson not learned led to another loss of life. Negligence is not a road to safety but a road to perdition.
It was the ceo that didn't get anything safety checks or nothing him and that company are not safe
@SuperNostalgia.its so stupid to think that someone else died for your sins 😂😂
@@abdullaharshad5052 its so pathetic to comment negatively on somebodies positive comment because it actually triggers you internally
"Still teaches people about safety first" is not the lesson here. Both the Titanic and OceanGate were intentionally not listening to well understood facts and knowledge. Heck the jerk who designed the sorry excuse for a vessel actually cried and moaned about how listening to safety regulations took all the fun out of it and bragged how he wanted nothing to do with any of that. He knew, he just didn't care.
Titanic didnt sank because of negligence, thats a myth, along side many myth's cameron used in his movie, that after all this years one would have though that he had learned something about the history of the ship. The Titanic wasnt going at full speed that night, murdoch didnt kill himself after shooting passengers, the ship didnt have enough boats because they were not lifeboats that concept didnt exist back then until that night, third class passengers were not locked down so the first class could evacuate first.... are just some of the myths he spread in his movie. And no Ismay didnt preasure the captain to breake any speed record, that woudl have been imposible to breake even if the ship had been traveling at full speed the whole time, since the competition the Lusitania and Mauretania were lighter, smaller, and 4 engines each.
James Cameron hit the nail right on the head with this. He spent years with the best engineers and millions of dollars to build the most advanced submarine in the world. If only the CEO could’ve taken lesson from an experienced expert on this matter. 😞
Apparently the CEO remarked that he didn't want any help from "old white guys" I don't remember the context of the exact remarks, but it's clear that he didn't WANT to do things that way. And he and 4 others paid the ultimate price for that.
@@spirited154he wanted to train a diverse team over stereotypical old white navy vets. Can’t fix stupid
This will be a painful lesson on how to observe those who have gone before. Learn from them and try harder to make a better wheel. In this case the wheel development was not followed. More research into a new vehicle before experiments are made with lives. May they rest in peace.
He was arrogant and didn't want to hear that his design sucked and was flawed. He thought because NASA helped he was good.
@@derekgardin1512 Greedy and arrogant.
The interviewer kind of dropped the ball here. James dropped a nugget that NO OTHER news outlet has picked up on that I have seen which was that they had indeed dropped their weight and were on the way back up. That’s crucial information which means their hull health monitoring did alert them but it was way too late. That was what the engineer warned OceanGate about before they fired him for being a whistleblower. He told them that their RTM hull system would only give them seconds of warning before an implosion and they didn’t listen.
Well spotted - I saw an indirect reference to this elsewhere, with the implosion mentioned as during ASCENT; I thought at first it was a slip of the tongue and the interviewee meant to say descent. Then I thought a bit more. Then I thought about the previous interviews with the designer of the Titan; and the delay in reporting the craft missing, and the media coverage of signage at the Titan base being removed. And that the mothership was surely monitoring and would have heard the implosion on sonar... the tracks of gross negligence can never be covered. What a horrible, needless tragedy.
Agree. And I saw a clip somewhere where they did have a brief moment where they transmitted to the mother ship that they needed to abort the mission. But there was no time. If this is true, not sure why this information wasn't released a few days ago.
I saw this too and wondered if the passengers went through a terrifying last few seconds before implosion. Almost everyone is saying it was instantaneous and without warning, to where no one felt a thing. Having it happen on ascent implies it was much scarier than that for the deceased.
Good point. It sounds like Cameron, being a member of the community, knows that they knew they were in trouble and headed up. I’d speculate that the mothership not reporting them “missing“ for nine hours was likely the result of them thinking they were “on their way up“. While the implosion certainly killed everyone instantly, they may have known for a few minutes that they were in trouble, but once the hull started to yield, it was just too late.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend, Cameron is not immune to mistakes
James Cameron - yet another Canadian gift for the world.
You're welcome.
Cameron is so brilliant. I was hoping he would speak to this situation. He gives a good context.
Me too.
Yea, just ask him
So true we need the expertise of a movie director to make sense of tragedy, oh God! Where's ja rule?
@@Anthony-dy5cq you do realize that James Cameron is one of the most experienced deep sea divers in the world? He has literally been to the deepest part of the ocean. I'm sure you know this and are just being a dumbass.
@@Anthony-dy5cqhe dived to the Titanic multiple times. About as much as P.H. Nargeolet. He even worked with him and Bob Ballard on the movie.
finally someone who explains the design problems like an engineer
@notexpatjoewhy the hate ; he is not an engineer so what? He has the experience to show for it 😂
@@notexpatjoe says who?
@@notexpatjoe He knows enough about building subs and diving to the bottom of the ocean to answer questions on TV: can you deny that?
The Somali pirates did it.
he's not an engineer, you gullible, very impressionable peons
This is the first time I've heard James Cameron speak, and wow! His breadth of knowledge, experience, and intelligence is impressive! No wonder he's one of the top directors in the world.
He's also a deep sea explorer
guess you dont watch movie documentaries or interviews.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
James Cameron is not just a great filmmaker but a great ocean explorer. I have so much respect for him.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Not that you shouldn’t respect him but hindsight is 20/20 and he has made terrible mistakes too
I’ve watched James Cameron on some of his filmed expeditions and I have to say he is a stickler for safety and testing and he is very logical and is a genius he’s not just a rich man dipping his toes in and for him to say it wasn’t safe then it’s not safe. I’m surprised that the French man who was an expert in diving actually got in this DIY submersible and I think James Cameron was probably thinking the same thing.
I was shocked Paul,the Frenchman was on it as well
@@lisaperry5999 Probably was being paid to tag along to talk about facts on the Titanic to the Pakistani gentleman and his son. Why not hop on another sub and get paid a good chunk of money to talk shop about something you know to some rich guy paying for an expensive dive. Plus the sub in question did survive past trips. In one lens it looked like it might be a reliable vessel but it turns out they lucked out on this trip where the hull could no longer handle the pressure.
It had to be for a sizeable cut of 750 grand. No other explanation.
@@MagnumCarta that man, Paul-Henri Nargeolet, has been fascinated by the titanic since the late 70ies. It was his passion. He wrote just one book about that ship. And I dont think that at his age he was still craving for money! In some of his interviews one can feel the passion he has for the ship! With the Nautile he made allmost 200 dives to the Titanic and almost 40 on the Titan. He lived and died for his passion.
I was glad Cameron mentioned him and called him his friend!
@@lisaperry5999 He didn't need the money. He just loved going to that wreck. He's a legendary Titanic explorer and expert.
Good for James Cameron for having the balls to say it 👏👏👏
I mean who knows, maybe he changed his gender but hasn't announced it yet.
And to have the class to wait until we knew what happened before speaking out about anything and not making speculations.
I never really cared for the Titanic movie, but seeing this interview and hearing how much information James Cameron has about the Titanic and the wreckage makes me think that I should give his movie another look. God bless the victims and their families and friends.
Consider looking at the documentaries Cameron has made about visiting Titanic, other wrecks such as the Kriegsmarine battleship Bismarck, and his successful project to voyage to the deepest part of the ocean on the planet.
The movie was not as good as it was iconic. So much money went into getting details right.
I wasn't sure how James Camron was going to weigh in at first but it really was assuring to hear him talk with "Common Sense" & really shows the importance planning & the amount details & accordance that has to be done before embarking such an expedition
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Maybe James should’ve done some planning huh
After watching many interviews on this tragedy, it is clear to me that this tragedy could have easily been avoided by just not going through with the dive at all. The submersible in question was not meant for a dive this deep. There were multiple warnings.
Exactly. When I think of everyone who signed off on this misadventure, the permits and permissions, everyone, it must have been greed that made them look the other way...
Maybe they wanted to experience what those on the Titanic went through.
well no kidding, genius
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@@miapdx503 Part of the problem is the wreck site is in International waters, there no discrete specific government oversight from either Canadian or US authorities. Any safety certifications are completely private arrangements by a private profit making company paying for other private engineering expertise (of whatever they deem is expertise). I bet you the sum of the overlarge lawyer fees that will be charged, none of the private "safety" inspections reports didn't come with so many legal exclusions and cavorts that there amount to zero in any real world or legal sense.
This is classic libertarianism failure. They were operating completely outside any formal government permit or certification system.
We know from leaked internal company comms that the CEO was overruling internal concerns on safety, and other people within the submersible design community who were writing to the company saying you shouldn't be doing this. Notice they weren't writing to any governmental body to stop the company from doing the dives?
Cameron really does sound like an experienced engineer here. He recognizes that the carbon fiber was a bad idea for being anisotropic. Steel is isotropic and homogenous so it is much easier to simulate in FEA. On top of that steel is ductile and carbo. Fiber is brittle so the repeated loading cycles affect the materials differently.
THE ALVIN SUB IS STEEL AND SURVIVED ALL KINDS OF DIVES
BOB WAS THAT TOO
THIS THING IS CHEAP JUNK
Plus we haven't been working with carbon fiber long enough to be pushing the limit quite like this. It's still pretty damn new as far as material science goes and especially for this type of application
Also, did you see how the craft was wrapped in the fiber? Should have been done in a vaccuum to prevent microscopic bubbles and debris between the layers.
@@ThePopopotatoes I just retired from the airlines (several departments in aircraft maintenance), and I have always thought this about the composite materials being used on the newer aircraft. We don't have the track record yet to know how these aircraft are going to hold up over time. The constant pressurization / depressurization of the aircraft, the extreme temperatures at altitude and even temperature swings in winter / summer seasons in different countries.
Not exactly right. Carbon Fiber is not really good in compression and that is what happens in the scenario. Steel is a much better choice, especially given that weight is mostly irrelevant.
The best video about this accident so far. Hats off to this man.
Why? Because he's a celebrity and it sounds like he knows what he's talking about?
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
Bob Ballard was like a hero to me when he found the Titanic back when I was a kid in 1985. I think I watched Secrets of The Titanic over 100 times.
me to
He is and always will be an absolute legend.
Yes I remember his discovery of the Galapagos deep sea rift vents.
I remember it was revealed Ballard was on a secret mission and the Titanic was just the cover story.
James Cameron is not only a fantastic movie director, but he is also the son of an engineer and he studied physics, so he has a science background and knows physics and mechanics. He's not just a Titanic and deep-sea diving enthusiast, he's an expert, very smart, and experienced. He is also famous for his perfectionism and leaves nothing to 'luck', as the CEO of OceanGate unfortunately did.
Cameron always reminded me of my father, who is an outstanding theoretical physicist and computer scientist who, among other things, deals with artificial intelligence, and who is also a perfectionist with a passion for mechanics, building vehicles, etc. So I understand many things that are being discussed here but it's so nice to listen to someone eloquent with deep knowledge of the subject. It was a great analysis. Thank you and best regards from Poland!
@notexpatjoe I respectfully DISAGREE with you. I don't deny the need of studies, but Albert Einstein was also called an idiot by his teachers. Same thing about many other inventors. They "think" differently. A framed piece of paper hung on a wall, "honorary" titles, or "Academia" does not make "experts" neither. Those are just a 1st step. Also, a doctor's title does not make a good surgeon, only EXPERIENCE and more studies do. What makes an expert is your dedication, and mostly HANDS ON and well-studied (reasonable) experiments. I'd wish I have half of Cameron's brains...
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James is way better than that ceo in everything mostly safety
@notexpatjoe Bill Gates & John Carmack, 'nuff said.
@@Ometecuhtli physically hurts to hear someone compare bill gates to john carmack
The parallel James Cameron draws between Captain Smith of the Titanic and the designer of the OceanGate, Stockton Rush, is eerily spot on.
I hadn’t even thought of that. Eerie and very ironic.
No it's not actually. Smith was doing what almost every other captain on the North Atlantic of the era did. Run at full-ahead, even in the presence of ice, so as to put the danger behind ASAP. We don't do that these days because we know better, Titanic having driven the lesson home. Nothing in Capt. Smith's training or experience would have told him that he should slow the ship.
Rush was repeatedly warned about issues with the sub itself and declined to have the vessel completely tested and cerified. He was winging it, crashed and impoded.
@@harrietharlow9929but James is still right. Every captain was doing that back then but that doesn’t take away from the fact that there are parallels between the titanic and ocean gate sub
What’s eerie is that the book written 14 years BEFORE ‘Titanic’ sank was called ‘The Wreck of the Titan’. The name of this submersible was ‘Titan’ and BOTH captains were egregiously arrogant and stubborn ‘til their demise.
The design of the titanic and the titan submersible seem to have more parallels than the captains. Both vessels were going against traditional wisdoms of the engineering and designs considered best practice at the time for the sake of profits and both cut corners on safety standards of the time as a cost cutting profit maximising measure. Some things about human nature and capitalism I guess don't change in a around 100 years probably.
James Cameron is not only and incredible visionary but a passionate scientist! What an amazing human being!
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He is no saint, he ignored safety when it suited him.
Very insightful, yet very easy for a commoner to understand this complicated subject and incident. You are the best, Mr. Cameron.
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He is smart but he is no saint! He did the same as Stockton and ignored safety when it suited him, cutting corners and putting people at risk.
Cameron is a smart man. He immediately asserted his knowledge and credentials in the field because he knew he would primarily be seen as a director who was only invited because he is a celebrity. He actually was a very good interviewee with good insights.
Im glad he did, i thought he was just the most succesful director. Now i see him as the most succesful film director, scientist, and submarine expert. Hes a genius
@@vinnie4v277a true polymath
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
I had no idea that James Cameron is so intelligent. I mean obviously i never thought he was stupid, ive always assumed he is a smart man, but wow. He is properly intelligent. I had this idea in my head that he was just super in to the history of the Titanic and paid some people to take him down there to see it. He actually understands all of this though, he designed his own submersible. Im extremely impressed.
There are great documentaries on how he went to the deep sea somewhere u should watch it
He was pursuing a degree in physics prior to getting into movie production.
@elliebellie7816 wow!
He's pretty much called himself an engineer first and foremost and a filmmaker second. He uses his background in mechanical engineering to develop, create and test new technology to help in making his films possible. Whatever people might think of his storytelling he's advanced film technology and deepsea rover and submersible tech as much as anyone living today.
He's also a great artist (drawing / painting.)
This is not really that important, but the way this man can string together explanations of very complicated things in an effective and also an easily comprehensible way without backpedaling any sentences, forgetting words, or going off on tangents is INSANE. I guess that's what comes from intelligence, education, and experience.
Yes a true expert with a capital E of the topic.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
He may be an expert engineer and deep sea explorer but cmon you have to admit he is the pot calling the kettle black here
@@pete5516 Chemical burns because you rushed too much and missed some checks is a *very* different level from firing safety staff and ideologically standing against precautions.
@@zammich3649 you’re right, but it’s not an excuse. If you do some research you’d find that most of the blame goes to Cameron for pushing his crew and cast too far and going way over budget with not enough time. He is entirely to blame and he also cut corners and skipped safety, and it could’ve lead to deaths.
I don’t know if you know how acid works but the pH of a pool wasn’t checked after it was overloaded with chlorine, very unlikely to do more than severely injure someone but that is still absolutely inexcusable and if you were the actor you would probably sue him and his company for their lack of safety precautions
This was the first report I've seen where they mention that they had dropped their ascent weights and were on their way back up due to most likely a warning of hull cracks forming. Very unfortunate that this happened.
What’s eerie is that the book written 14 years (1898) BEFORE ‘Titanic’ sank (1912) was called ‘The Wreck of the Titan’. The name of this submersible was called ‘Titan’ (2023) and BOTH captains were egregiously arrogant and stubborn ‘til their demise.
Woah. 😮 That’s truly fateful.
That's wild
Also the wife of the CEO of Titan is the great great granddaughter of the two people who actually died on the titanic. This sh1t is crazy
@@casioamplifierWoow...Just Speechless Smh
There's so much irony and synchronicity in this tragedy, it is very eerie.
James' observation of the parallels between these two tragedies is fascinating.
the storyteller in him spoke
It IS fascinating
Just the fact they died in a vessel named .. Titan
@@Imlaor25 How crazy is that. Titanic - Titan.
James Cameron is without a doubt the greatest to ever do it when it comes to his profession. The knowledge and attention to detail that he has is second to known and that is reflected in his movies
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
@@pete5516 Did you replied under every comment that praised James even the slightest? 🤡
He's been there 33 times? Damn, he's a legend!
james isn't telling you half of his dilligence, here, he had discussions with the engineering staff to trace parts and figure out the true safety of the vehicle before going on the dive. the level of preparedness really matters, and you can tell james did his due diligence and that's why he's here to talk to us today. I'm very sorry for the loss of the crew of the oceangate submersible. it is absolutely awful news. but its a hard lesson learned, the extreme environments in our universe are unforgiving.
He spent 3 years modelling his sub on a computer. That’s diligence.
Dudes a legend
Sounds like he followed the Navy's SUBSAFE protocols.
@@joshf9074 I'm willing to bet most of that time was learning the software XD
CONSTANT DISTRACTIONS for the masses.... never forget that the 2nd amendment is currently being infringed upon,
Such an impressive interview with James Cameron.
My condolences to the families of the people who died.
James Cameron's analysis was excellent. The ability of the tourist sub’s hull design to withstand such depths was questioned in a 2018 lawsuit filed by OceanGate’s former director of marine operations, David Lochridge, who said he was fired after he raised safety concerns about the vessel. The same happened when Alexander Carlysle, a designer at Harland and Wolf, raised concerns about the inadequate number of lifeboats on Titanic. His concerns were ignored and he resigned. I read that their means of communication was a play station. I don't think that naming this submersible Titan was a very good idea - it is 2 letters short of the name Titanic. In an interview Stockton Rush said that the Titan was pretty much invulnerable; the interviewer replied that this was pretty much the same thing they said about Titanic. Stockton Rush replied with a yes. How prophetic. If Mr. Rush had himself not died then he would have had a lot to answer for. It seems that history has repeated itself - these people put money before safety and chose to ignore the advice of knowledgeable people.
Should have used TITANium
Is there a clip of that interview with him saying it was invulnerable? Wow
The owner also bragged that they had ONE button to turn everything on. The hubris of that man.
Redemption for Lockridge.
I couldn't have stated this any better.
As an engineer I had some serious red flags about the construction of the hull. Different materials expand and contract at different rates. Having the tube carbon fiber and the end piece’s titanium would be at least a 2mm difference. That’s enough to weaken the glue bond and possibly could start a crack at the ends in the carbon fiber. Each dive weakened it even more. Carbon fiber doesn’t like to flex, it shatters. It wouldn’t be my choice for these type of conditions.
It will be interesting when they recover the cameras to see what really happened.
On the bright side, the 5 people in the sub died quickly. Hopefully those deaths will teach future adventurers to pay attention to safety measures.
A cylinder instead of a sphere? Carbon fiber? At these depths? I'm what would be called an engineering idiot but I can certainly see a problem.
Why does he need to have an experimental submarine anyway? Look, I'll make an experimental computer based on ternary computation.... (ok, great idea) and I'll use it for the systems doing open heart surgery (hold on a minute).
33 is code. 33 is freemasonry, etc..
You 'had' red flags? You can't even use this simple expression correctly, you must be one hell of an armchair engineer!
That was super interesting to hear Cameron's insights of this event. Now after studying into this Titan vehicle, it really seems almost unreal how overlooked most of the design principles were. Cameron explained these points very well.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend, James Cameron just said what everyone else did he isn’t a genius nor is he immune to mistakes
That's a very elaborate and polite way of saying "told you so!"
I arrived a skeptic, I left a believer. Mr Cameron your institutional knowledge and critical analysis of deep ocean exploration is truly impressive.
Why would you be a skeptic dummy? The man held the world record for the deepest solo dive for years. He’s literally one of the worlds most experienced deep submersible divers. They did a documentary about it. You just don’t pay attention is all.
@@haveaday1812 Why are you attacking me though? I literally admitted that I was wrong about him, by my own accord. Why do people feel the need to voice opinions and make comments that include insults, name-calling, and cast judgment?
A skeptic about what lmfao? Jesus people are dumb
haveaday1812 just because you praise and worship this producer and have all the time in the world to watch his documentaries, doesn't mean others do! Most people get off their ass and have a life. Lol!!
@pyropulse7932 your face doesn't make sense 😂
Really interesting to hear Cameron’s insights into Titan tragedy.
He told it the way it should be told!!
I was really curious earlier this week why we hadn't heard from him yet.
@@eileenheath1968 Probably didn't want to comment till he had a better understanding of the facts. It's a tight community for obvious reasons.
Such a down to earth man, very knowledgeable, much respect.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. He should be humble as he made the mistake himself
I would love to hear more from James on this honestly.
Not just a groundbreaking director but a groundbreaking engineer and scientist. Cameron is a true genius.
He's like a modern-day Leonardo da Vinci.
Amazing! I’m in awe
You sound like you're easily impressed lol
Probably not the place for it but I'd agree he is a groundbreaking director. Some stuff he did in the early 80s and 90s are imprinted into people's heads and shown to their kids as "you're old enough now" movies. Sounds pretty impactful to me
That being said and movies aside he is seems like a legitimate engineer and should be respected more for his knowledge than his entertainment
Thank you to James Cameron for the clarification. Amazing detail. My condolences to the families. Heartbreaking and tragic.
Stupidity
Tragic? Reckless I would dare say.
@@AgostoicAgreed
"A few dives..." yeah 33 dives just on Titanic. Cameron has devoted much of his life to safe deep sea exploration.
8:06 Oh dang!
James is not just a director, he has a degree in physics and understands this better properly than CEO of Oceangate
After high school, Cameron enrolled at Fullerton College, a community college in 1973 to study physics. He switched subjects to English, but left the college at the end of 1974. He worked odd jobs, including as a truck driver and a janitor, but wrote in his free time. During this period, he learned about special effects by reading other students' work on "optical printing, or front screen projection, or dye transfers, anything that related to film technology" at the library. After the excitement of seeing Star Wars in 1977, Cameron quit his job as a truck driver to enter the film industry.
Still blows my mind how articulate and well-spoken James Cameron is!
What a busy mind! No teleprompters to be seen here.
You can sense his passion for sure.
When OceanGate said they offer the full Titanic experience, they really weren't kidding.
Imagine being inside the deathsub and hearing it start to crack, knowing it was seconds from failure 😳
I don't think they would even know it happened in milliseconds
Soon as it started to crack it folded wouldn't even have time to know it was happening.
They had at least a few seconds because there was a system in place to warn them. My guess is those sensors went off at least for a few seconds. It's why they dropped the weights.
This man is a true explorer. Not some billionaire who was playing explorer
Well said 🌹
He is a billionaire now.😁
Two tragedy, two ignorant captains, same place, same consequences...
They chose the caption of the titanic because he sucked.. nd it wasn't the titanic that sank.. there's a documentary about it.. nd how there was another ship that was supposed to be close by to receive the distress call nd save everyone.. but everything went bad.. if u look at the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic to it's twinish ship the portholes are different as well as under the name titanic on the hull gives the ships actual name.. it was purely for insurance but went horribly wrong
But.. the sub captain was def not qualified and just as bad
@@7Vibrant2Vixon7 What on earth are you talking about?
@@jziffifor real lol
I'd say more like arrogant not ignorant, they knew of the risks but went on anyway.
Nice to hear straight talk once in a while.
What I find so fascinating about this whole thing is that this is our Titanic incident of the 21st century, just because of the fact that both happened for the same reason and are wrecks in the same location, with 5 additional people. While the whole thing is sad it's interesting to be alive in historical moments like this. No one would've ever guess the odds of something like this happening.
I'm a structural engineer and I agree with James Cameron. Designing a submarine out of composite is very dangerous. Composites do not do well under compressive loads (such as being submerged deep under water). Furthermore, you will have significant corrosion issues if in contact with water overtime. Failure of composites are sudden and catastrophic, unlike metallic failure. They should have designed it out of metallic, just as James Cameron suggested. My thoughts and prayers to the families.
@@notexpatjoe I have 10 years experience in structural engineering. Yes, composite is good for certain applications, but not for compressive loading. Furthermore, you have to account for thermal knockdown for composite material allowable when under extreme temperatures. Furthermore, you don’t have yielding with composites but you do with metallic structure.
Lastly, your argument is based off stiffness. Stiffness and strength are two different things. You have to size structure for both stiffness and strength.
@@notexpatjoecarbon fiber is not equally strong in all plains it also doesn't fatigue in the same way as an all metal structure. The different materials in a composite often have different rates of thermal expansion and shrinkage and which can exacerbate wear.
Carbon fiber and composites aren't magic they are extremely strong yes and extremely light but they aren't always the best solution.
Look at spaceX they've ditched carbon fiber for stainless steel because stainless steel is actually stronger in situations with extreme temperatures and is much more forgiving and tolerant of small defects and fatigue.
An all steel or Titanium design would have given a lot of warning before failure and is a much better understood solution.
@@SpencerHHO 100% agree. Furthermore, I don’t even want to get into the conversation of failure by buckling and crippling on composites vs metallic structure. That would be a very long discussion .
Did they ever think that a vessel named Titan should be made from titanium, perhaps?
@@notsheepish8304 Only the tip
Knew he would speak out & he was brutally honest. It was a death trap. It wasn't a matter of if something bad would happen, it was a matter of when. So surreal. The sinking of Titanic & James making a movie about it & now he's sadly talking about his friends & passengers dying at the sight of Titanic & even the captain of Titan had ties to passengers who died on Titanic. Surreal.
it's called a simulation for a reason
I feel like hubris plays such a role here and the one thing about James' expeditions is that they weren't tourism. They were research. And conducted with so much more respect and for dead AND the living.
There were no human fatalities filming James' movie. What are you talking about?
Making the movie is what made people drawn to the titanic. Before the blockbuster didn't draw much attention
@@erossinema8797 I am in no way comparing this heartbreaking tragedy to James' movie.
Dang who knew he was a full blown engineer. Highly recommend his 2002 doc. He documents a trip down to the titanic and you can see him in full action
Truly had no idea how to feel. Hope for them to be found knowing they would have to endure a nightmare while waiting for help or hope something bad occured and they went instantly. Not in a mean spirited way, happy this is over now and family can get closure. Sad that they never made to see what they went down there for. They are a part of the history now although I'm sure they were expecting it another way. Also glad all the rescue teams will not be in danger trying to find them now. Rest in peace to all who perished in this vessel 🙏🏿🕊
Wow, James Cameron is a perfectionist. No wonder the movie was such a masterpiece.👍
But yeah, you can't cut corners on these matters, you can't challenge physics.
James Horner played a pivotal role in making the film magical. You should watch the scenes without his score, and see the huge difference.
@@dritemolawzbks8574 agreed 100%
@@dritemolawzbks8574 He is a genius and a mastermind of his field as well.
@@christophevilleneuve911 Some of the on-deck sets were as bad as TV!
I love James Cameron's movies! I used to work for Thor so him wearing a Thor motocross jersey is amazing.
My condolences to the people on board the Titan and their loved ones.
The thought that an indication from the crack monitoring system, warned them even for a second or two, knowing that the hull is going to fail and they released the weights trying to resurface, is haunting me.
This is the difference between someone who went down to the site and respected the nature of the site (a mass grave resulting from foolish arrogance) and someone who just wanted to go down to the site because of the infamy of the wreck (treating it like a tourist destination). This interview added fascinating context to the discussion, and it was clear Cameron understood first and foremost "It's a dangerous effort to a dangerous site in an absolutely unforgiving environment."
I appreciate how direct and honest he was about the situation. I'm not sure there's any amount of money you could pay me to make that dive even in Cameron's vessel, but given a choice between the two I know his is the one I would pick without hesitation. The Titan was so obviously a death trap, my real confusion is over just how many people willingly signed up for it.
also,cameron is a legit engineer
@@eliam1992x Right!
@LittleHobbit13 As a critical thinking person I agree. But when you watch the interviews with Stockton Rush, he speaks with the same confidence as James Cameron does, and I bet there will be hordes of people being absolutely convinced by the presentation.
I hate to bring gender into it, but the male ego is fascinating. Even with warning, the captain and pilot risked the lives of many.
@@woutdezeeuw1604the difference is the scientific angle that James Cameron takes,I think.
He makes safety a priority and knows his stuff.
I certainly didn't feel confidence in Stockton Rush's mission, hearing his earlier interviews now.
He sums it up. Ignored warnings. Manmade arrogance. Needless catastrophe. Right next to the Titanic.
I remember watching him go down to the challenger deep in that sub and he was just surrounded by tech and instruments. The guy knows what he is talking about. He's been way deeper.
I could tell just by looking at Paul Henri that he was a solid guy. To find he was a close friend of James Cameron came as no surprise to me. RIP.
I'm surprised PH actually decided to go on that contraption.
@@derekgardin1512why did he go?
@@derekgardin1512 I'm honestly surprised at that too. I'd have thought he knew better than that. Maybe his desire to see his beloved Titanic overcame his common sense.
*SALUTE TO JAMES CAMERON FOR KEEPING IT ALL THE WAY REAL* !
It's been over 100 years and the curse of this Titanic Ship is not over yet!
What about all those successful visits to Titanic over the last 35+ years.
I wish the journalist did not cut it so short. I understand it is news, and short, but they were so well informed.
This was like trying to fly an airplane into space.
Exactly. Gross negligence. The CEO was warned on multiple occasions that his Tin can was only approved for a few thousand feet under, not 12,000 feet. The only reason this happened was because of the companies negligence. They were warned by employees that specialize in safety, that the submersible wasn’t up to the requirements. Yet they fired the employees and didn’t care.
“Stupid is as stupid does”
@@Machiavelli2pctin can🤣😮💨
The X-15, SR-71, and Space Shuttle were able to fly in both the atmosphere and space but, they were designed for it and still lost Crew. Branson's efforts give me pause. Like Ocean Gate .
@@Machiavelli2pcdid they had any success with the same vessel before to wrick of the titanic? Some where I saw a news that they did 2 times successful trip to titanic wrick
Even though he was 77 years old he still had so much life left in him. RIP Paul Henry
Truth these french dudes live to 89 or 97
Yes, I was truly crushed when I heard the news…
No he didn't..he a crabby patty now 😂
he have been fooled by fake technology !
James Cameron is the type of person I always want to be ( chase your passion and make it your profession). But I failed. It's good to see him here.
Literally was waiting for him to say something. Him and Robert Ballard are the only people who have been there and know it so well.
James Cameron pulls an A+ again with this explaination. Probably gave a better hands on experience explaination than other experts.
Such a sad story. I love James Cameron and i know this really crushes his heart. RIP to the lives lost.
ur weird
no pun intended?
🙏🙏
@7:52: _”This ocean gate sub had sensors to give them warning if the hull was starting to crack.”_ With carbon fiber, there’s very little safety factor between a stress fracture and total implosion. Those sensors may give you a few seconds, or minute at most, warning, before you’re dead.
What an amazing interview. It is good to listen to the real subject matter expert. Had his advice been followed, this tragedy would not have happened.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Maybe James Cameron could also learn from subject matter experts instead of assuming he knows everything
Thank you for letting him speak & not interrupting him. Other channels have interrupted so many scientists & engineers so many times. THANK YOU. He is a legend. He & others like him should be treated with respect.
James Cameron could not have said it best
He just as stupid.
*better
@@OTOWN2STOCKTOWN yes thanks for the correction .Silly typo error
🎵”His name is Jaaaaaaames Camerooooooon, the bravest pioneer”🎵
I usually cringe at celebrities waging their opinions on tragedies like this, especially Ja Rule, but this guy is basically an expert on titanic wreck diving.
Astonishing! both captains neglected the warnings
Arrogance has no boundaries! rich person or not.
Just like you neglected to put a better picture up, please go sit down you know what you’re talking about girl or a boy what are you?
And one of them was related to Isador Strauss the owner of Macy's who died on the ship. That's super creepy.
@@amaiyagrace It is because these families have little to no faith in God. They only dream of making more money. Stockton Rush was the same, same as the others onboard. Sad ...
The difference between Genius and Stupidity.... Genius has its limits.
James actually let something out I haven't heard in that they were trying to resurface due to an emergency possibly knowing the carbon fiber shell was failing... if that's the case the people on board probably knew something was going wrong and not killed instantly in a freak implosion without warning... man that would be a terrifying scenario...
Well, once the pressure hull failed, death would’ve been instantaneous.
Yes but shortly after that it imploded and that means they went quickly
Ya I'm pretty sure they heard it start to crack and started taking on water before they where instantly crushed. Hiw long that was I don't think matters because for them it probably felt like a lifetime.
I have no sympathy for the ceo he reeped what he sowed it is the others that I feel bad for.
@@piggieria They wouldn't have noticed taking on water. They would be dead the millisecond the breach happened
Yes! Wonder if anybody else would have told that truth. Now the cats out of the bag.
He’s such a poet with his explanation of things. A true humble genius
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
He's always down there.. raising the bar
James Cameron gave me a close enough seat to see the magnificence of the Titanic and the people whose lives were lost in that tragedy.
May they all RIP. 💔
I had no idea this man was also designer of submarines. What a great man. Thank you sir for giving a birth to those times and Titanic it self throught a movie we will never forget. Thank you for telling us a story of people that never could.
Mr. Cameron was incredibly interesting to listen to. I had no idea that he’d designed his submersible to the Mariana Trench.
James Cameron spent more time on the ship than the captain did! That makes my face light up!