James Cameron is much more than what the majority of people credit him for. He is a versatile creative , storyteller , producer , designer , passionate about science , trendsetter , ...etc
And accusing an innocent man of murdering people with no historical evidence, branded Ismay who saved countless passengers and donated money to the victims’ families as a coward, and falsified history.
I'm sure his phone was ringing off the hook as soon as the story broke, but I'm guessing he held back on commenting until more information made it's way out instead of making knee-jerk suppositions.
I'd respectfully say that Bob Ballard's THE expert - it was him and Jean-Louis Michel who found the wreck of the Titanic in the first place, and Ballard *also* found the wrecks of the US submarines Scorpion and Thresher, the Bismarck, JFK's PT 109, the Lusitania, and the Yorktown, just to name a few. He's the pioneer of deep sea archaeology, and he's also done some pretty incredible research on the undersea volcanoes of the mid-oceanic ridge. I'm not putting down James Cameron's achievements in any way; no one can argue that he's not an incredible deep sea explorer and engineer, and the best underwater filmmaker of all time. I'm just saying that Cameron wouldn't have been able to dive the Titanic in the 90's if Ballard hadn't found it in the 80's. They're both amazing, and deserving of huge respect, unlike the dead CEO on the ocean floor with his failed sub.
@@toffeetoffee6457 Everything I've heard about James Cameron is that he can be an arsehole . . . But he's an arsehole who respects the subject matter he's involving himself with. When he did his deep sea dives, he went down in submersibles designed by people who really understood what they were doing and respected the sheer hostility of the environment.
As a Canadian, I've always been proud of James Cameron for one of my most favorite movies to date. But as an engineer and the son of an aviation safety inspector, he just increased my respect for him ten fold. His understanding of engineering principles and safety standards is quite respectable. He certainly deserves an honorary engineering degree for pushing the boundary of science while keeping safety in mind. That is the ethics of a true engineer.
He's 100% right. Excellent analysis. OceanGate acted incredibly recklessly and irresponsibly. There's nothing innovative about companies that blatantly ignore the most basic safety protocols. Way too many corners were cut.
SO TRUE...WHEN THEY SHOWED VIDEOS OF THE OWNER HE SAID HIMSELF HE WAS DOING IT HIS WAY EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW NOTHING...IT WAS CRAZY...HE DID NOT WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE PROFESSIONALS HAD TO SAY...SAD!
@@jeffmccloud905 Good question. I can’t understand how a man with such extensive experience could look at that bucket of bolts and not raise numerous red flags, let alone get inside it.
This was the most informative TV news interview I've seen in a very very long time. James Cameron was concise, informative and respectful but, he also made his opinions about the risks of the submersible clear. And the host let him speak.
Also the first to provide a loose but fact-based timeline of events. I had no idea the ballast release would likely have been in response to the delamination sensors going off.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
James Cameron was wise to "keep his powder dry" by keeping silent until the crew of the Titan were confirmed dead. I know the world was waiting for him to say something and it must have been tempting. Class act and I respect him for not speculating during the rescue phase like all the other so-called 'experts'.
@@Anthony-dy5cq you do realize that James Cameron is one of the most experienced deep sea divers in the world? He has literally been to the deepest part of the ocean. I'm sure you know this and are just being a dumbass.
@notexpatjoehe dangers of riding a plane is far less compared to the dangers of diving deep in the ocean with a submersible/submarine. Edit: or not, i dont really know
He was already a great engineer. Computer modeled and tested his sub design for 3 years before the build. Very much understood engineering and physics as his father did. Dudes a legend.
James Cameron is not only a fantastic movie director, but he is also the son of an engineer and he studied physics, so he has a science background and knows physics and mechanics. He's not just a Titanic and deep-sea diving enthusiast, he's an expert, very smart, and experienced. He is also famous for his perfectionism and leaves nothing to 'luck', as the CEO of OceanGate unfortunately did. Cameron always reminded me of my father, who is an outstanding theoretical physicist and computer scientist who, among other things, deals with artificial intelligence, and who is also a perfectionist with a passion for mechanics, building vehicles, etc. So I understand many things that are being discussed here but it's so nice to listen to someone eloquent with deep knowledge of the subject. It was a great analysis. Thank you and best regards from Poland!
@notexpatjoe I respectfully DISAGREE with you. I don't deny the need of studies, but Albert Einstein was also called an idiot by his teachers. Same thing about many other inventors. They "think" differently. A framed piece of paper hung on a wall, "honorary" titles, or "Academia" does not make "experts" neither. Those are just a 1st step. Also, a doctor's title does not make a good surgeon, only EXPERIENCE and more studies do. What makes an expert is your dedication, and mostly HANDS ON and well-studied (reasonable) experiments. I'd wish I have half of Cameron's brains...
Yeah man.. big flex from... a holywood director, clearly the best man to comment.... Does he actually have any qualification that is relevant? Nah... he's just spouting what far smarter people have said.
@@chrisjones8379 he has vast diving experience and knows a thing or two about the subs he is using too. While he didn't finish his physics degree he does have engineering experience. He fact that he is a filmmaker does not take away from his knowledge in another field that is also his passion.
@@chrisjones8379 Cameron has set world records for deep sea diving and he's been to the Titanic 33 times in a sub he designed himself. He's not just an expert on this subject, he's THE expert.
James Cameron hit the nail right on the head with this. He spent years with the best engineers and millions of dollars to build the most advanced submarine in the world. If only the CEO could’ve taken lesson from an experienced expert on this matter. 😞
Apparently the CEO remarked that he didn't want any help from "old white guys" I don't remember the context of the exact remarks, but it's clear that he didn't WANT to do things that way. And he and 4 others paid the ultimate price for that.
This will be a painful lesson on how to observe those who have gone before. Learn from them and try harder to make a better wheel. In this case the wheel development was not followed. More research into a new vehicle before experiments are made with lives. May they rest in peace.
James Cameron's analysis was excellent. The ability of the tourist sub’s hull design to withstand such depths was questioned in a 2018 lawsuit filed by OceanGate’s former director of marine operations, David Lochridge, who said he was fired after he raised safety concerns about the vessel. The same happened when Alexander Carlysle, a designer at Harland and Wolf, raised concerns about the inadequate number of lifeboats on Titanic. His concerns were ignored and he resigned. I read that their means of communication was a play station. I don't think that naming this submersible Titan was a very good idea - it is 2 letters short of the name Titanic. In an interview Stockton Rush said that the Titan was pretty much invulnerable; the interviewer replied that this was pretty much the same thing they said about Titanic. Stockton Rush replied with a yes. How prophetic. If Mr. Rush had himself not died then he would have had a lot to answer for. It seems that history has repeated itself - these people put money before safety and chose to ignore the advice of knowledgeable people.
I’ve watched James Cameron on some of his filmed expeditions and I have to say he is a stickler for safety and testing and he is very logical and is a genius he’s not just a rich man dipping his toes in and for him to say it wasn’t safe then it’s not safe. I’m surprised that the French man who was an expert in diving actually got in this DIY submersible and I think James Cameron was probably thinking the same thing.
@@lisaperry5999 Probably was being paid to tag along to talk about facts on the Titanic to the Pakistani gentleman and his son. Why not hop on another sub and get paid a good chunk of money to talk shop about something you know to some rich guy paying for an expensive dive. Plus the sub in question did survive past trips. In one lens it looked like it might be a reliable vessel but it turns out they lucked out on this trip where the hull could no longer handle the pressure.
@@MagnumCarta that man, Paul-Henri Nargeolet, has been fascinated by the titanic since the late 70ies. It was his passion. He wrote just one book about that ship. And I dont think that at his age he was still craving for money! In some of his interviews one can feel the passion he has for the ship! With the Nautile he made allmost 200 dives to the Titanic and almost 40 on the Titan. He lived and died for his passion. I was glad Cameron mentioned him and called him his friend!
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He ignored safety when it suited him and cut corners putting people at risk, yet he conveniently never mentions that.
No it's not actually. Smith was doing what almost every other captain on the North Atlantic of the era did. Run at full-ahead, even in the presence of ice, so as to put the danger behind ASAP. We don't do that these days because we know better, Titanic having driven the lesson home. Nothing in Capt. Smith's training or experience would have told him that he should slow the ship. Rush was repeatedly warned about issues with the sub itself and declined to have the vessel completely tested and cerified. He was winging it, crashed and impoded.
@@harrietharlow9929but James is still right. Every captain was doing that back then but that doesn’t take away from the fact that there are parallels between the titanic and ocean gate sub
What’s eerie is that the book written 14 years BEFORE ‘Titanic’ sank was called ‘The Wreck of the Titan’. The name of this submersible was ‘Titan’ and BOTH captains were egregiously arrogant and stubborn ‘til their demise.
The design of the titanic and the titan submersible seem to have more parallels than the captains. Both vessels were going against traditional wisdoms of the engineering and designs considered best practice at the time for the sake of profits and both cut corners on safety standards of the time as a cost cutting profit maximising measure. Some things about human nature and capitalism I guess don't change in a around 100 years probably.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
Cameron really does sound like an experienced engineer here. He recognizes that the carbon fiber was a bad idea for being anisotropic. Steel is isotropic and homogenous so it is much easier to simulate in FEA. On top of that steel is ductile and carbo. Fiber is brittle so the repeated loading cycles affect the materials differently.
Plus we haven't been working with carbon fiber long enough to be pushing the limit quite like this. It's still pretty damn new as far as material science goes and especially for this type of application
Also, did you see how the craft was wrapped in the fiber? Should have been done in a vaccuum to prevent microscopic bubbles and debris between the layers.
@@ThePopopotatoes I just retired from the airlines (several departments in aircraft maintenance), and I have always thought this about the composite materials being used on the newer aircraft. We don't have the track record yet to know how these aircraft are going to hold up over time. The constant pressurization / depressurization of the aircraft, the extreme temperatures at altitude and even temperature swings in winter / summer seasons in different countries.
Not exactly right. Carbon Fiber is not really good in compression and that is what happens in the scenario. Steel is a much better choice, especially given that weight is mostly irrelevant.
Probably not the place for it but I'd agree he is a groundbreaking director. Some stuff he did in the early 80s and 90s are imprinted into people's heads and shown to their kids as "you're old enough now" movies. Sounds pretty impactful to me
Why would you be a skeptic dummy? The man held the world record for the deepest solo dive for years. He’s literally one of the worlds most experienced deep submersible divers. They did a documentary about it. You just don’t pay attention is all.
@@haveaday1812 Why are you attacking me though? I literally admitted that I was wrong about him, by my own accord. Why do people feel the need to voice opinions and make comments that include insults, name-calling, and cast judgment?
haveaday1812 just because you praise and worship this producer and have all the time in the world to watch his documentaries, doesn't mean others do! Most people get off their ass and have a life. Lol!!
I just told my wife that James Cameron is a deep sea exploration expert who just also happens to be a great filmmaker. The man knows his stuff and he’s absolutely right.
I had no idea that James Cameron is so intelligent. I mean obviously i never thought he was stupid, ive always assumed he is a smart man, but wow. He is properly intelligent. I had this idea in my head that he was just super in to the history of the Titanic and paid some people to take him down there to see it. He actually understands all of this though, he designed his own submersible. Im extremely impressed.
He's pretty much called himself an engineer first and foremost and a filmmaker second. He uses his background in mechanical engineering to develop, create and test new technology to help in making his films possible. Whatever people might think of his storytelling he's advanced film technology and deepsea rover and submersible tech as much as anyone living today.
What’s eerie is that the book written 14 years (1898) BEFORE ‘Titanic’ sank (1912) was called ‘The Wreck of the Titan’. The name of this submersible was called ‘Titan’ (2023) and BOTH captains were egregiously arrogant and stubborn ‘til their demise.
After watching many interviews on this tragedy, it is clear to me that this tragedy could have easily been avoided by just not going through with the dive at all. The submersible in question was not meant for a dive this deep. There were multiple warnings.
Exactly. When I think of everyone who signed off on this misadventure, the permits and permissions, everyone, it must have been greed that made them look the other way...
@@miapdx503 Part of the problem is the wreck site is in International waters, there no discrete specific government oversight from either Canadian or US authorities. Any safety certifications are completely private arrangements by a private profit making company paying for other private engineering expertise (of whatever they deem is expertise). I bet you the sum of the overlarge lawyer fees that will be charged, none of the private "safety" inspections reports didn't come with so many legal exclusions and cavorts that there amount to zero in any real world or legal sense. This is classic libertarianism failure. They were operating completely outside any formal government permit or certification system. We know from leaked internal company comms that the CEO was overruling internal concerns on safety, and other people within the submersible design community who were writing to the company saying you shouldn't be doing this. Notice they weren't writing to any governmental body to stop the company from doing the dives?
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Not that you shouldn’t respect him but hindsight is 20/20 and he has made terrible mistakes too
Cameron is a smart man. He immediately asserted his knowledge and credentials in the field because he knew he would primarily be seen as a director who was only invited because he is a celebrity. He actually was a very good interviewee with good insights.
Im glad he did, i thought he was just the most succesful director. Now i see him as the most succesful film director, scientist, and submarine expert. Hes a genius
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
Knew he would speak out & he was brutally honest. It was a death trap. It wasn't a matter of if something bad would happen, it was a matter of when. So surreal. The sinking of Titanic & James making a movie about it & now he's sadly talking about his friends & passengers dying at the sight of Titanic & even the captain of Titan had ties to passengers who died on Titanic. Surreal.
I feel like hubris plays such a role here and the one thing about James' expeditions is that they weren't tourism. They were research. And conducted with so much more respect and for dead AND the living.
I never really cared for the Titanic movie, but seeing this interview and hearing how much information James Cameron has about the Titanic and the wreckage makes me think that I should give his movie another look. God bless the victims and their families and friends.
Consider looking at the documentaries Cameron has made about visiting Titanic, other wrecks such as the Kriegsmarine battleship Bismarck, and his successful project to voyage to the deepest part of the ocean on the planet.
As an engineer I had some serious red flags about the construction of the hull. Different materials expand and contract at different rates. Having the tube carbon fiber and the end piece’s titanium would be at least a 2mm difference. That’s enough to weaken the glue bond and possibly could start a crack at the ends in the carbon fiber. Each dive weakened it even more. Carbon fiber doesn’t like to flex, it shatters. It wouldn’t be my choice for these type of conditions. It will be interesting when they recover the cameras to see what really happened.
Why does he need to have an experimental submarine anyway? Look, I'll make an experimental computer based on ternary computation.... (ok, great idea) and I'll use it for the systems doing open heart surgery (hold on a minute).
This is the difference between someone who went down to the site and respected the nature of the site (a mass grave resulting from foolish arrogance) and someone who just wanted to go down to the site because of the infamy of the wreck (treating it like a tourist destination). This interview added fascinating context to the discussion, and it was clear Cameron understood first and foremost "It's a dangerous effort to a dangerous site in an absolutely unforgiving environment." I appreciate how direct and honest he was about the situation. I'm not sure there's any amount of money you could pay me to make that dive even in Cameron's vessel, but given a choice between the two I know his is the one I would pick without hesitation. The Titan was so obviously a death trap, my real confusion is over just how many people willingly signed up for it.
@LittleHobbit13 As a critical thinking person I agree. But when you watch the interviews with Stockton Rush, he speaks with the same confidence as James Cameron does, and I bet there will be hordes of people being absolutely convinced by the presentation.
@@woutdezeeuw1604the difference is the scientific angle that James Cameron takes,I think. He makes safety a priority and knows his stuff. I certainly didn't feel confidence in Stockton Rush's mission, hearing his earlier interviews now.
The interviewer kind of dropped the ball here. James dropped a nugget that NO OTHER news outlet has picked up on that I have seen which was that they had indeed dropped their weight and were on the way back up. That’s crucial information which means their hull health monitoring did alert them but it was way too late. That was what the engineer warned OceanGate about before they fired him for being a whistleblower. He told them that their RTM hull system would only give them seconds of warning before an implosion and they didn’t listen.
Well spotted - I saw an indirect reference to this elsewhere, with the implosion mentioned as during ASCENT; I thought at first it was a slip of the tongue and the interviewee meant to say descent. Then I thought a bit more. Then I thought about the previous interviews with the designer of the Titan; and the delay in reporting the craft missing, and the media coverage of signage at the Titan base being removed. And that the mothership was surely monitoring and would have heard the implosion on sonar... the tracks of gross negligence can never be covered. What a horrible, needless tragedy.
Agree. And I saw a clip somewhere where they did have a brief moment where they transmitted to the mother ship that they needed to abort the mission. But there was no time. If this is true, not sure why this information wasn't released a few days ago.
I saw this too and wondered if the passengers went through a terrifying last few seconds before implosion. Almost everyone is saying it was instantaneous and without warning, to where no one felt a thing. Having it happen on ascent implies it was much scarier than that for the deceased.
Good point. It sounds like Cameron, being a member of the community, knows that they knew they were in trouble and headed up. I’d speculate that the mothership not reporting them “missing“ for nine hours was likely the result of them thinking they were “on their way up“. While the implosion certainly killed everyone instantly, they may have known for a few minutes that they were in trouble, but once the hull started to yield, it was just too late.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend, Cameron is not immune to mistakes
I'm a structural engineer and I agree with James Cameron. Designing a submarine out of composite is very dangerous. Composites do not do well under compressive loads (such as being submerged deep under water). Furthermore, you will have significant corrosion issues if in contact with water overtime. Failure of composites are sudden and catastrophic, unlike metallic failure. They should have designed it out of metallic, just as James Cameron suggested. My thoughts and prayers to the families.
@@notexpatjoe I have 10 years experience in structural engineering. Yes, composite is good for certain applications, but not for compressive loading. Furthermore, you have to account for thermal knockdown for composite material allowable when under extreme temperatures. Furthermore, you don’t have yielding with composites but you do with metallic structure. Lastly, your argument is based off stiffness. Stiffness and strength are two different things. You have to size structure for both stiffness and strength.
@@notexpatjoecarbon fiber is not equally strong in all plains it also doesn't fatigue in the same way as an all metal structure. The different materials in a composite often have different rates of thermal expansion and shrinkage and which can exacerbate wear. Carbon fiber and composites aren't magic they are extremely strong yes and extremely light but they aren't always the best solution. Look at spaceX they've ditched carbon fiber for stainless steel because stainless steel is actually stronger in situations with extreme temperatures and is much more forgiving and tolerant of small defects and fatigue. An all steel or Titanium design would have given a lot of warning before failure and is a much better understood solution.
@@SpencerHHO 100% agree. Furthermore, I don’t even want to get into the conversation of failure by buckling and crippling on composites vs metallic structure. That would be a very long discussion .
I have always admired James Cameron for his dedication to the Titanic but I'm happy that he spoke out about the dangers of the mission and was able to point out the exact anomalies like a true expert.
James Cameron gave me a close enough seat to see the magnificence of the Titanic and the people whose lives were lost in that tragedy. May they all RIP. 💔
This is the first time I've heard James Cameron speak, and wow! His breadth of knowledge, experience, and intelligence is impressive! No wonder he's one of the top directors in the world.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
james isn't telling you half of his dilligence, here, he had discussions with the engineering staff to trace parts and figure out the true safety of the vehicle before going on the dive. the level of preparedness really matters, and you can tell james did his due diligence and that's why he's here to talk to us today. I'm very sorry for the loss of the crew of the oceangate submersible. it is absolutely awful news. but its a hard lesson learned, the extreme environments in our universe are unforgiving.
James Cameron broke this down well. I think the media will is shining a spotlight on it so it’s a temporary big deal, but anytime you go flying or diving it Carrie’s a degree of risk and the higher or deeper you go, the further the risk. It seems like the kind of venture that requires absolute scrutiny of the company pricing these services. That’s not to say the operator doesn’t have blame here, but you’re rolling the dice. It’s tragic that these people are dead. Worse yet that the more info comes out about the sub operator, the more avoidable this could have been. Condolences to the families.
i haven't looked it up myself but if reports about the former employee in charge of safety are true, the owner refused to share information about key components which were subsequently found to be inadequate because they refused to pay for what they needed. apparently this is a highly experimental design as well much different and larger than other subs that go this deep, essentially a carbon fiber tube with a titanium ring at each end while normally they are spherical and seat 2 people AT MOST.
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He is smart but he is no saint! He did the same as Stockton and ignored safety when it suited him, cutting corners and putting people at risk.
I wasn't sure how James Camron was going to weigh in at first but it really was assuring to hear him talk with "Common Sense" & really shows the importance planning & the amount details & accordance that has to be done before embarking such an expedition
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Maybe James should’ve done some planning huh
Thank you for letting him speak & not interrupting him. Other channels have interrupted so many scientists & engineers so many times. THANK YOU. He is a legend. He & others like him should be treated with respect.
After high school, Cameron enrolled at Fullerton College, a community college in 1973 to study physics. He switched subjects to English, but left the college at the end of 1974. He worked odd jobs, including as a truck driver and a janitor, but wrote in his free time. During this period, he learned about special effects by reading other students' work on "optical printing, or front screen projection, or dye transfers, anything that related to film technology" at the library. After the excitement of seeing Star Wars in 1977, Cameron quit his job as a truck driver to enter the film industry.
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He is no saint, he ignored safety when it suited him.
@@derekgardin1512 I'm honestly surprised at that too. I'd have thought he knew better than that. Maybe his desire to see his beloved Titanic overcame his common sense.
Wow, James Cameron is a perfectionist. No wonder the movie was such a masterpiece.👍 But yeah, you can't cut corners on these matters, you can't challenge physics.
As a professional oceanographer who has been at great depths, this strikes home. The finding of the Titanic is what inspired me to do what I do. James Cameron and Bob Ballard are epic people and in my opinion, genius. I have a saying: "Never put anything into the ocean which you are not prepared to lose". My prayers and sympathy are with the families of those lost. A catastrophic implosion at those depths may be one of the quickest ways to meet God.
@@HariKrishnan-pf1ec Never. It is incredible, but remotely operated is what we do. It is VASTLY easier to put a remotely operated vehicle down which does not rely on human support systems. That said, Bob Ballard is correct. We've through the decades never had a loss like this, despite thousands of deep dives. The mix of hull materials was a recipe for failure. It will delaminate after successive dives. Now that you ask... absolutely I would do it again.
Wow that’s an awesome field to get into! Is there any hope to find their remains? James Cameron is extremely careful with how he handled filming the movie. It seems to be many people giving different opinions.
This is not really that important, but the way this man can string together explanations of very complicated things in an effective and also an easily comprehensible way without backpedaling any sentences, forgetting words, or going off on tangents is INSANE. I guess that's what comes from intelligence, education, and experience.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
@@pete5516 Chemical burns because you rushed too much and missed some checks is a *very* different level from firing safety staff and ideologically standing against precautions.
@@zammich3649 you’re right, but it’s not an excuse. If you do some research you’d find that most of the blame goes to Cameron for pushing his crew and cast too far and going way over budget with not enough time. He is entirely to blame and he also cut corners and skipped safety, and it could’ve lead to deaths. I don’t know if you know how acid works but the pH of a pool wasn’t checked after it was overloaded with chlorine, very unlikely to do more than severely injure someone but that is still absolutely inexcusable and if you were the actor you would probably sue him and his company for their lack of safety precautions
I think this man has given us all we need from this tragedy. He did it beautifully and we should hold onto that. I think we should let the Titanic and all her secrets and ghosts Rest in Peace. My condolences to the families, all the families now, whose loved ones perished in that spot. 💔
James Cameron actually stated something similar in one of his interviews. He feared the Titanic wreckage would be destroyed by tourism and was even stating that it was already happening.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
Great to hear James Cameron the engineer and submersible designer (not just a filmmaker) sharing his scientific insight (he talked about finite element analysis, 3 years doing computer simulation even before building anything) about this absolute tragedy. Haunting to now know/think of the site of two tragedies. Cameron, "When warnings went unheeded ..." #hearbreaking
They chose the caption of the titanic because he sucked.. nd it wasn't the titanic that sank.. there's a documentary about it.. nd how there was another ship that was supposed to be close by to receive the distress call nd save everyone.. but everything went bad.. if u look at the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic to it's twinish ship the portholes are different as well as under the name titanic on the hull gives the ships actual name.. it was purely for insurance but went horribly wrong
This was the first report I've seen where they mention that they had dropped their ascent weights and were on their way back up due to most likely a warning of hull cracks forming. Very unfortunate that this happened.
James actually let something out I haven't heard in that they were trying to resurface due to an emergency possibly knowing the carbon fiber shell was failing... if that's the case the people on board probably knew something was going wrong and not killed instantly in a freak implosion without warning... man that would be a terrifying scenario...
Ya I'm pretty sure they heard it start to crack and started taking on water before they where instantly crushed. Hiw long that was I don't think matters because for them it probably felt like a lifetime. I have no sympathy for the ceo he reeped what he sowed it is the others that I feel bad for.
I had no idea this man was also designer of submarines. What a great man. Thank you sir for giving a birth to those times and Titanic it self throught a movie we will never forget. Thank you for telling us a story of people that never could.
Everyone knows James as a producer but hes my favorite explorer. I put him just below armstrong. Hes given more of himself to science and engineering than movies. hes a legend!
@@amaiyagrace It is because these families have little to no faith in God. They only dream of making more money. Stockton Rush was the same, same as the others onboard. Sad ...
I'm glad James Cameron is speaking out about this because like him or not, he does know and has the experience. And he's completely right about carbon fiber; it's strong only up until a breaking point and then it completely shatters. It doesn't bend or give like steel or titanium, it just shatters.
That was super interesting to hear Cameron's insights of this event. Now after studying into this Titan vehicle, it really seems almost unreal how overlooked most of the design principles were. Cameron explained these points very well.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend, James Cameron just said what everyone else did he isn’t a genius nor is he immune to mistakes
Respect for James for breaking down the process before diving deep to the titanic. I didn't know that it took over 3 years to test it. Glad he spoke 33 dives 😳
Thank you for James Cameron's frank, educated 100% truthful analysis. Everything said needed to be said. Dangerous isn't the right word. The risk with this thing was far worse than just dangerous. Any rational, critical thinking person with knowledge of this particular experimental submersible and the materials used knew this was going to happen and so many said so in their letter to the company asking for testing etc. All the warnings including from their own employee were snubbed by Stockton Rush and his company. With all this known, it does boggle the mind that a Titanic expert, Nargeolet, would have put himself in this position or that a father would put parental pressure on his 19 year old son, who didn't want to go and was "terrified", to join him. Still, I am very saddened by this loss of life. I feel for all of the family members and friends of those who have perished in this unnecessary loss. May these five men RIP.
James Cameron is without a doubt the greatest to ever do it when it comes to his profession. The knowledge and attention to detail that he has is second to known and that is reflected in his movies
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
Well spoken, to keep in mind here these were paying customers and I do not think James Cameron would ever take paying customers on an experimental submersible that he designed without it being rigorously, tested over and over, it’s one thing to put your own self at risk knowing those risks because of your design, than to take on the responsibility of others is a whole different scenario and it’s unfortunately Oceangate disrespected that. This day and age waivers don’t mean anything.
I dont think anybody would, the dude saw dollar signs at 750K for 8 hours of work to further his business probably sounded pretty good only difference it was extremely dangerous work probably the most dangerous on the planet & he was completely unprepared clouded by arrogance & money!
He rented the Russian Submersibles MIR 1 and MIR 2 for the Titanic and Bismarck because he ran the numbers for a homemade submersible and they wouldn't be sound enough for proper functionality. These machines have to be precise down to the last decimal otherwise you are risking a catastrophic failure. You can't cut corners on this stuff or you die. Millionaires bleed like every other person does, they need to stop thinking they're indestructible.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. I agree that the company running the submersible needs to answer to the world for this tragedy. However, these losses were personal to wives, children, family members, friends and coworkers. My heart goes out to all of you.
Well the one man whose truly responsible was in that damn sub and he payed the price… everyone else working for Stockton was young and just doing their jobs… Honestly in my mind it’s, Stocktons methods that lead this to that situation… RIP though but the truth is what it is
@@SEANLIGHTZTVoing their jobs shittily for a paycheck. I wouldn't build something that I knew was unsafe that I thought would take lives due to design construction. That's on them.
Wow, so they were fully aware that the death trap was failing and actively trying to surfaceas fast as possible, must have been pure terror right before that implosion. James Cameron the GOAT.
@theviewbot another person in the same circle as ph has said it's been rumored/ maybe known the titan sent an abort mission to the comms in a uk interview today as well and another guy in the sub diving community told MSNBC there was the sound of an implosion heard not long after communication stopped. I'd say oceangate waiting 8 hours to tell the coast guard anything was wrong is suspicious and they probably knew all along the submersible was gone
Thanks for a good report. Good to see Bob Ballard weigh in. I remember an outstanding comment Mr. Ballard made when he first found the Titanic - that people should respect it as a gravesite. I feel over the years this important concept has been lost. It was a terrible tragedy. I hope now people will simply leave it alone.
Thank you! I agree, Nancy...let's the wreck, the whole phenomena of the Titanic "Rest In Peace." It was an unimaginable tragedy and now as you say it is a huge gravesite. For the 1,500 who died in 1912, and for these five. Time to let the whole thing rest.
Agreed. Cameron & Ballard have surveyed the site, and it has now been 3D modelled, anyone who wants to visit can do so easily with a VR headset. The science and research has been done. It should be left now so it can literally rust in peace, rather than an item on a pretty twisted bucket list for the rich. The parallel is you can visit the Memorial Pool at the WTC site, the landfill site where the wreckage was taken to is not a tourist sideshow.
He cleared the air on how dangerous OceanGate subs are and I had no clue it was like that. I knew they were bolted in and from that alone is scary as heck. Goes to show how they really did cut major corners.
It needs to be bolted from the outside when taking civilian passengers. If one person not trained in oxygen preservation panics and opens it then boom... instant death for all. Not that it made a difference anyway because it imploded but look at it from their side, it is a precaution.
I never paid attention until this happened because I would never do something like this with a company like ocean gate. Learned a lot from engineering and physics guys in the comments about how stupid this ceo was. Who would steer a sub with a wireless gaming controller and have to have themselves bolted in so self rescue if possible at the time, would be impossible upon reaching the surface. Just absolutely idiotic.
I feel like comparing James submarines & the ocean gate submarines would be like Ocean Gate building a wooden raft made out of logs to voyage the ocean. While James takes his time & builds a cruise ship to voyage through his journey safely with all the necessary precautions. Not saying ocean gate didn’t take it seriously, but they obviously lacked some soft of safety through a breaking ship.
@@noahwhitehawk3405the CEO and those involved (save for the ones who did try to warn him of the irresponsible take they were making) did not heed to any of what was said by experts. The issue is that: they did not meet standards necessary for such a dive in such a vessel. From what was mentioned by other experts, be it from the odd shape of the vessel to the lack of safety measures regarding the materials used, the inadequate and insufficient props and untrained staff. This could have been avoided, we're not in the 19th century anymore.
Great interview and what a thing to have James Cameron detailing the flaws that went into this predictable disaster. Here is a person who has directed films that have been industry blockbusters and also designed submersibles that have reached the bottom of the Mariana Trench. We all know why the skipper went the extra mile: money was desperately needed to keep the company afloat. When you have paying passengers at 250 thousand dollars a pop, even the staunchest believer in safety is willing to forego industry guidelines if he knows he may end up in bankruptcy court. There were 25 dives before this one that came back to the surface; high rollers live and die on taking chances.
Exactly. Gross negligence. The CEO was warned on multiple occasions that his Tin can was only approved for a few thousand feet under, not 12,000 feet. The only reason this happened was because of the companies negligence. They were warned by employees that specialize in safety, that the submersible wasn’t up to the requirements. Yet they fired the employees and didn’t care.
The X-15, SR-71, and Space Shuttle were able to fly in both the atmosphere and space but, they were designed for it and still lost Crew. Branson's efforts give me pause. Like Ocean Gate .
@@Machiavelli2pcdid they had any success with the same vessel before to wrick of the titanic? Some where I saw a news that they did 2 times successful trip to titanic wrick
The similarities between the two tragedies is unbelievable. The name of the submersible and the destination. The hubris and blatant disregarded for safety. No back up systems or plan etc.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. He should be humble as he made the mistake himself
@jewsrimposters1418He is not the arrogant one. He is the smart one that takes precautions! He is telling us about the arrogance of people not doing better to prevent recklessness. He stated "I'm struck by the similarity of the captain...where he was repeatedly warned" and that refers to the 2 leaders that did not listen and take precautions.
James Cameron studied Physics and his dad was an engineer. He also helped design and develop the camera systems used to make the avatar movies. He's a brilliant scientific mind and they really should've consulted with James Cameron on building their DIY sub. Insane they didn't get this thing cleared for safety.
A few semesters of community college physics decades ago does not make one a brilliant scientist who can design anything. Unless that person has spent the intervening years devoted to that solely. Cameron is a hollywood boffin and like the majority of them, he makes outlandish and egotistical claims about his prowess across many disciplines. The Steven Segall effect in action. Cameron designs cameras, and submersibles, and lord knows what else; all the while writing and directing blockbuster movies? Yeah, sure. And so many are willing to believe his bs without question.
It’s crazy that they didn’t think of consulting James Cameron, considering he’s been to the Titanic multiple times and also to the Mariana Trench. He would’ve old them straightaway to not go and that would’ve saved 5 lives carelessly lost.
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James Cameron is much more than what the majority of people credit him for. He is a versatile creative , storyteller , producer , designer , passionate about science , trendsetter , ...etc
Well, most of us just had no idea he was educated beyond just filmmaking. I didn't know he was so educated and intelligent.
He is going to direct this movie next... that's for sure.
well when you have millions, you kinda have time to do many things..
He's brilliant
And accusing an innocent man of murdering people with no historical evidence, branded Ismay who saved countless passengers and donated money to the victims’ families as a coward, and falsified history.
He’s the first person the news should have reached out to. He’s not just a expert on this matter, he’s THE EXPERT. He’s set records for deep dives.
You should listen to Bob Ballard's interview too. Both are inspiring people
I'm sure his phone was ringing off the hook as soon as the story broke, but I'm guessing he held back on commenting until more information made it's way out instead of making knee-jerk suppositions.
And he Respected the Russian vessels construction, and at 2 at a time for backup.
Why didn’t they go to him and Dr Ballard in the first place?
I'd respectfully say that Bob Ballard's THE expert - it was him and Jean-Louis Michel who found the wreck of the Titanic in the first place, and Ballard *also* found the wrecks of the US submarines Scorpion and Thresher, the Bismarck, JFK's PT 109, the Lusitania, and the Yorktown, just to name a few. He's the pioneer of deep sea archaeology, and he's also done some pretty incredible research on the undersea volcanoes of the mid-oceanic ridge. I'm not putting down James Cameron's achievements in any way; no one can argue that he's not an incredible deep sea explorer and engineer, and the best underwater filmmaker of all time. I'm just saying that Cameron wouldn't have been able to dive the Titanic in the 90's if Ballard hadn't found it in the 80's. They're both amazing, and deserving of huge respect, unlike the dead CEO on the ocean floor with his failed sub.
James went straight for the jugular, and he's 100% right.
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Now that’s a man that knows what he’s talking about.
Agreed💯.
@@toffeetoffee6457 Everything I've heard about James Cameron is that he can be an arsehole . . . But he's an arsehole who respects the subject matter he's involving himself with. When he did his deep sea dives, he went down in submersibles designed by people who really understood what they were doing and respected the sheer hostility of the environment.
hes an expert so yep
As a Canadian, I've always been proud of James Cameron for one of my most favorite movies to date. But as an engineer and the son of an aviation safety inspector, he just increased my respect for him ten fold. His understanding of engineering principles and safety standards is quite respectable. He certainly deserves an honorary engineering degree for pushing the boundary of science while keeping safety in mind. That is the ethics of a true engineer.
Didn't kno he was a Mapleman... nice
Indeed. Listen to his interview with Anderson Cooper. It's even better than this one. You'll enjoy it.
James cameron is American !! He is American !! Not canadian !! No and not
Which movie, pray tell?
@@maiusami1585you clearly need to look him up then he is from a town in ontario
He's 100% right. Excellent analysis. OceanGate acted incredibly recklessly and irresponsibly. There's nothing innovative about companies that blatantly ignore the most basic safety protocols. Way too many corners were cut.
SO TRUE...WHEN THEY SHOWED VIDEOS OF THE OWNER HE SAID HIMSELF HE WAS DOING IT HIS WAY EVEN THOUGH HE KNEW NOTHING...IT WAS CRAZY...HE DID NOT WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE PROFESSIONALS HAD TO SAY...SAD!
they used a $29 logestic controller? like wtf how dumb are these billionaires they could have made a way better investment.
@@jeffmccloud905 Good question. I can’t understand how a man with such extensive experience could look at that bucket of bolts and not raise numerous red flags, let alone get inside it.
And he started as a truck driver.. Think about it.
Even the building of the submersible was done wrong. The experts needed were not hired. Pretty negligent all around.
This was the most informative TV news interview I've seen in a very very long time. James Cameron was concise, informative and respectful but, he also made his opinions about the risks of the submersible clear. And the host let him speak.
I agree , an excellent interview.
Also the first to provide a loose but fact-based timeline of events. I had no idea the ballast release would likely have been in response to the delamination sensors going off.
RIGHT!? I learned alot!
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
James Cameron was wise to "keep his powder dry" by keeping silent until the crew of the Titan were confirmed dead.
I know the world was waiting for him to say something and it must have been tempting.
Class act and I respect him for not speculating during the rescue phase like all the other so-called 'experts'.
I agree with your comment.
Absolutely agree 👍 💯✌🇨🇦
@@markuss4133 He is the titanic guy, they all want his 2 cents.
@@markuss4133experience from a study and personal experience in submarining at the titanic site, literally the topic. Keep up.
@@markuss4133because he survived when he was down there multiple times and those people didn't.
Gave me goosebumps when he said that the captain ignored warnings, and proceeded to the same fate as the titanic!
James Cameron has done the same, during the filming of the abyss he rushed ahead and ignored safety leading to his cast getting chemical burns.
@@pete5516yeah not exactly, dude.
The fact that james has been there 33 times is unreal.
and supremely idiotic. if only these rich assholes spent their millions on something that did us some good
33 = Freemason
Been down to the Marriana Trench for God's sake.
It's the difference between "trusting the science" or actually doing the work.
“33 times”
Cameron is so brilliant. I was hoping he would speak to this situation. He gives a good context.
Me too.
Yea, just ask him
So true we need the expertise of a movie director to make sense of tragedy, oh God! Where's ja rule?
@@Anthony-dy5cq you do realize that James Cameron is one of the most experienced deep sea divers in the world? He has literally been to the deepest part of the ocean. I'm sure you know this and are just being a dumbass.
@@Anthony-dy5cqhe dived to the Titanic multiple times. About as much as P.H. Nargeolet. He even worked with him and Bob Ballard on the movie.
Imagine being down there 33 times as James has. Brilliant man and so well qualified to weigh in on this sad day.
Cameron cheated death himself.
I'm sorry but I just don't see the need to go down there even once let alone 33 times!!!!😱
33? 🤔 Almost ritualistic pattern innit
@@Agostoic They LOVE the 33
@notexpatjoehe dangers of riding a plane is far less compared to the dangers of diving deep in the ocean with a submersible/submarine.
Edit: or not, i dont really know
Im blown away by how much of a subject matter expert James is. If it werent for his passion in films, its obvious he'd have become a great engineer.
He was already a great engineer. Computer modeled and tested his sub design for 3 years before the build. Very much understood engineering and physics as his father did. Dudes a legend.
He's a great engineer who happens to use it for movies. Those Avatar movies are like huge science experiments.
@@justafidemyselfHe’s been a pioneer in that field since The Abyss in 1989!
He's a great movie maker and director. Why engineering? 😮
@@hairpitch - Why not? People can have multiple interests. His father was an engineer. His mother, an artist. He can have an interest in both.
finally someone who explains the design problems like an engineer
@notexpatjoewhy the hate ; he is not an engineer so what? He has the experience to show for it 😂
@@notexpatjoe says who?
@@notexpatjoe He knows enough about building subs and diving to the bottom of the ocean to answer questions on TV: can you deny that?
The Somali pirates did it.
he's not an engineer, you gullible, very impressionable peons
Good for James Cameron for having the balls to say it 👏👏👏
I mean who knows, maybe he changed his gender but hasn't announced it yet.
And to have the class to wait until we knew what happened before speaking out about anything and not making speculations.
James Cameron is not only a fantastic movie director, but he is also the son of an engineer and he studied physics, so he has a science background and knows physics and mechanics. He's not just a Titanic and deep-sea diving enthusiast, he's an expert, very smart, and experienced. He is also famous for his perfectionism and leaves nothing to 'luck', as the CEO of OceanGate unfortunately did.
Cameron always reminded me of my father, who is an outstanding theoretical physicist and computer scientist who, among other things, deals with artificial intelligence, and who is also a perfectionist with a passion for mechanics, building vehicles, etc. So I understand many things that are being discussed here but it's so nice to listen to someone eloquent with deep knowledge of the subject. It was a great analysis. Thank you and best regards from Poland!
@notexpatjoe I respectfully DISAGREE with you. I don't deny the need of studies, but Albert Einstein was also called an idiot by his teachers. Same thing about many other inventors. They "think" differently. A framed piece of paper hung on a wall, "honorary" titles, or "Academia" does not make "experts" neither. Those are just a 1st step. Also, a doctor's title does not make a good surgeon, only EXPERIENCE and more studies do. What makes an expert is your dedication, and mostly HANDS ON and well-studied (reasonable) experiments. I'd wish I have half of Cameron's brains...
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James is way better than that ceo in everything mostly safety
@notexpatjoe Bill Gates & John Carmack, 'nuff said.
@@Ometecuhtli physically hurts to hear someone compare bill gates to john carmack
"Mr Cameron, what are your thoughts?" "Guys were noobs, I designed my own sub that can go three times deeper." What a flex.
damn man
It wasn't a 'flex'. It was explaining that it IS possible to build one to go that deep and deeper but when building the sub YOU DO NOT IGNORE SAFETY!
Yeah man.. big flex from... a holywood director, clearly the best man to comment.... Does he actually have any qualification that is relevant? Nah... he's just spouting what far smarter people have said.
@@chrisjones8379 he has vast diving experience and knows a thing or two about the subs he is using too. While he didn't finish his physics degree he does have engineering experience. He fact that he is a filmmaker does not take away from his knowledge in another field that is also his passion.
@@chrisjones8379 Cameron has set world records for deep sea diving and he's been to the Titanic 33 times in a sub he designed himself. He's not just an expert on this subject, he's THE expert.
James Cameron hit the nail right on the head with this. He spent years with the best engineers and millions of dollars to build the most advanced submarine in the world. If only the CEO could’ve taken lesson from an experienced expert on this matter. 😞
Apparently the CEO remarked that he didn't want any help from "old white guys" I don't remember the context of the exact remarks, but it's clear that he didn't WANT to do things that way. And he and 4 others paid the ultimate price for that.
@@spirited154he wanted to train a diverse team over stereotypical old white navy vets. Can’t fix stupid
This will be a painful lesson on how to observe those who have gone before. Learn from them and try harder to make a better wheel. In this case the wheel development was not followed. More research into a new vehicle before experiments are made with lives. May they rest in peace.
He was arrogant and didn't want to hear that his design sucked and was flawed. He thought because NASA helped he was good.
@@derekgardin1512 Greedy and arrogant.
James Cameron's analysis was excellent. The ability of the tourist sub’s hull design to withstand such depths was questioned in a 2018 lawsuit filed by OceanGate’s former director of marine operations, David Lochridge, who said he was fired after he raised safety concerns about the vessel. The same happened when Alexander Carlysle, a designer at Harland and Wolf, raised concerns about the inadequate number of lifeboats on Titanic. His concerns were ignored and he resigned. I read that their means of communication was a play station. I don't think that naming this submersible Titan was a very good idea - it is 2 letters short of the name Titanic. In an interview Stockton Rush said that the Titan was pretty much invulnerable; the interviewer replied that this was pretty much the same thing they said about Titanic. Stockton Rush replied with a yes. How prophetic. If Mr. Rush had himself not died then he would have had a lot to answer for. It seems that history has repeated itself - these people put money before safety and chose to ignore the advice of knowledgeable people.
Should have used TITANium
Is there a clip of that interview with him saying it was invulnerable? Wow
The owner also bragged that they had ONE button to turn everything on. The hubris of that man.
Redemption for Lockridge.
I couldn't have stated this any better.
I’ve watched James Cameron on some of his filmed expeditions and I have to say he is a stickler for safety and testing and he is very logical and is a genius he’s not just a rich man dipping his toes in and for him to say it wasn’t safe then it’s not safe. I’m surprised that the French man who was an expert in diving actually got in this DIY submersible and I think James Cameron was probably thinking the same thing.
I was shocked Paul,the Frenchman was on it as well
@@lisaperry5999 Probably was being paid to tag along to talk about facts on the Titanic to the Pakistani gentleman and his son. Why not hop on another sub and get paid a good chunk of money to talk shop about something you know to some rich guy paying for an expensive dive. Plus the sub in question did survive past trips. In one lens it looked like it might be a reliable vessel but it turns out they lucked out on this trip where the hull could no longer handle the pressure.
It had to be for a sizeable cut of 750 grand. No other explanation.
@@MagnumCarta that man, Paul-Henri Nargeolet, has been fascinated by the titanic since the late 70ies. It was his passion. He wrote just one book about that ship. And I dont think that at his age he was still craving for money! In some of his interviews one can feel the passion he has for the ship! With the Nautile he made allmost 200 dives to the Titanic and almost 40 on the Titan. He lived and died for his passion.
I was glad Cameron mentioned him and called him his friend!
@@lisaperry5999 He didn't need the money. He just loved going to that wreck. He's a legendary Titanic explorer and expert.
This is actually the best interview I've watched on the subject. Great analysis by Mr. Cameron.
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He ignored safety when it suited him and cut corners putting people at risk, yet he conveniently never mentions that.
The parallel James Cameron draws between Captain Smith of the Titanic and the designer of the OceanGate, Stockton Rush, is eerily spot on.
I hadn’t even thought of that. Eerie and very ironic.
No it's not actually. Smith was doing what almost every other captain on the North Atlantic of the era did. Run at full-ahead, even in the presence of ice, so as to put the danger behind ASAP. We don't do that these days because we know better, Titanic having driven the lesson home. Nothing in Capt. Smith's training or experience would have told him that he should slow the ship.
Rush was repeatedly warned about issues with the sub itself and declined to have the vessel completely tested and cerified. He was winging it, crashed and impoded.
@@harrietharlow9929but James is still right. Every captain was doing that back then but that doesn’t take away from the fact that there are parallels between the titanic and ocean gate sub
What’s eerie is that the book written 14 years BEFORE ‘Titanic’ sank was called ‘The Wreck of the Titan’. The name of this submersible was ‘Titan’ and BOTH captains were egregiously arrogant and stubborn ‘til their demise.
The design of the titanic and the titan submersible seem to have more parallels than the captains. Both vessels were going against traditional wisdoms of the engineering and designs considered best practice at the time for the sake of profits and both cut corners on safety standards of the time as a cost cutting profit maximising measure. Some things about human nature and capitalism I guess don't change in a around 100 years probably.
Thank you to James Cameron for the clarification. Amazing detail. My condolences to the families. Heartbreaking and tragic.
Stupidity
Tragic? Reckless I would dare say.
@@AgostoicAgreed
I just developed a whole new level of respect for this man. Didn’t realize how smart he was in science and engineering
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
Cameron really does sound like an experienced engineer here. He recognizes that the carbon fiber was a bad idea for being anisotropic. Steel is isotropic and homogenous so it is much easier to simulate in FEA. On top of that steel is ductile and carbo. Fiber is brittle so the repeated loading cycles affect the materials differently.
THE ALVIN SUB IS STEEL AND SURVIVED ALL KINDS OF DIVES
BOB WAS THAT TOO
THIS THING IS CHEAP JUNK
Plus we haven't been working with carbon fiber long enough to be pushing the limit quite like this. It's still pretty damn new as far as material science goes and especially for this type of application
Also, did you see how the craft was wrapped in the fiber? Should have been done in a vaccuum to prevent microscopic bubbles and debris between the layers.
@@ThePopopotatoes I just retired from the airlines (several departments in aircraft maintenance), and I have always thought this about the composite materials being used on the newer aircraft. We don't have the track record yet to know how these aircraft are going to hold up over time. The constant pressurization / depressurization of the aircraft, the extreme temperatures at altitude and even temperature swings in winter / summer seasons in different countries.
Not exactly right. Carbon Fiber is not really good in compression and that is what happens in the scenario. Steel is a much better choice, especially given that weight is mostly irrelevant.
Not just a groundbreaking director but a groundbreaking engineer and scientist. Cameron is a true genius.
He's like a modern-day Leonardo da Vinci.
Amazing! I’m in awe
You sound like you're easily impressed lol
Probably not the place for it but I'd agree he is a groundbreaking director. Some stuff he did in the early 80s and 90s are imprinted into people's heads and shown to their kids as "you're old enough now" movies. Sounds pretty impactful to me
That being said and movies aside he is seems like a legitimate engineer and should be respected more for his knowledge than his entertainment
I arrived a skeptic, I left a believer. Mr Cameron your institutional knowledge and critical analysis of deep ocean exploration is truly impressive.
Why would you be a skeptic dummy? The man held the world record for the deepest solo dive for years. He’s literally one of the worlds most experienced deep submersible divers. They did a documentary about it. You just don’t pay attention is all.
wtf are you talking about? Arriving a skeptic and leaving a believer doesn't even make sense
@@haveaday1812 Why are you attacking me though? I literally admitted that I was wrong about him, by my own accord. Why do people feel the need to voice opinions and make comments that include insults, name-calling, and cast judgment?
A skeptic about what lmfao? Jesus people are dumb
haveaday1812 just because you praise and worship this producer and have all the time in the world to watch his documentaries, doesn't mean others do! Most people get off their ass and have a life. Lol!!
I just told my wife that James Cameron is a deep sea exploration expert who just also happens to be a great filmmaker. The man knows his stuff and he’s absolutely right.
Who cares what you told your wife are you telling her also after going to a toilet?
I think the only reason he makes movies is to make enough money to fund his explorations.
@@MrJetMango Who cares about your comment. Or you for that matter.
And knows the future of social media aka Skynet
@@seizegott That makes sense
I had no idea that James Cameron is so intelligent. I mean obviously i never thought he was stupid, ive always assumed he is a smart man, but wow. He is properly intelligent. I had this idea in my head that he was just super in to the history of the Titanic and paid some people to take him down there to see it. He actually understands all of this though, he designed his own submersible. Im extremely impressed.
There are great documentaries on how he went to the deep sea somewhere u should watch it
He was pursuing a degree in physics prior to getting into movie production.
@elliebellie7816 wow!
He's pretty much called himself an engineer first and foremost and a filmmaker second. He uses his background in mechanical engineering to develop, create and test new technology to help in making his films possible. Whatever people might think of his storytelling he's advanced film technology and deepsea rover and submersible tech as much as anyone living today.
He's also a great artist (drawing / painting.)
What’s eerie is that the book written 14 years (1898) BEFORE ‘Titanic’ sank (1912) was called ‘The Wreck of the Titan’. The name of this submersible was called ‘Titan’ (2023) and BOTH captains were egregiously arrogant and stubborn ‘til their demise.
Woah. 😮 That’s truly fateful.
That's wild
Also the wife of the CEO of Titan is the great great granddaughter of the two people who actually died on the titanic. This sh1t is crazy
@@casioamplifierWoow...Just Speechless Smh
There's so much irony and synchronicity in this tragedy, it is very eerie.
After watching many interviews on this tragedy, it is clear to me that this tragedy could have easily been avoided by just not going through with the dive at all. The submersible in question was not meant for a dive this deep. There were multiple warnings.
Exactly. When I think of everyone who signed off on this misadventure, the permits and permissions, everyone, it must have been greed that made them look the other way...
Maybe they wanted to experience what those on the Titanic went through.
well no kidding, genius
@@HiIarityBriboLmao
@@miapdx503 Part of the problem is the wreck site is in International waters, there no discrete specific government oversight from either Canadian or US authorities. Any safety certifications are completely private arrangements by a private profit making company paying for other private engineering expertise (of whatever they deem is expertise). I bet you the sum of the overlarge lawyer fees that will be charged, none of the private "safety" inspections reports didn't come with so many legal exclusions and cavorts that there amount to zero in any real world or legal sense.
This is classic libertarianism failure. They were operating completely outside any formal government permit or certification system.
We know from leaked internal company comms that the CEO was overruling internal concerns on safety, and other people within the submersible design community who were writing to the company saying you shouldn't be doing this. Notice they weren't writing to any governmental body to stop the company from doing the dives?
James Cameron is not just a great filmmaker but a great ocean explorer. I have so much respect for him.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Not that you shouldn’t respect him but hindsight is 20/20 and he has made terrible mistakes too
Cameron is a smart man. He immediately asserted his knowledge and credentials in the field because he knew he would primarily be seen as a director who was only invited because he is a celebrity. He actually was a very good interviewee with good insights.
Im glad he did, i thought he was just the most succesful director. Now i see him as the most succesful film director, scientist, and submarine expert. Hes a genius
@@vinnie4v277a true polymath
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
James' observation of the parallels between these two tragedies is fascinating.
the storyteller in him spoke
It IS fascinating
Just the fact they died in a vessel named .. Titan
@@Imlaor25 How crazy is that. Titanic - Titan.
Knew he would speak out & he was brutally honest. It was a death trap. It wasn't a matter of if something bad would happen, it was a matter of when. So surreal. The sinking of Titanic & James making a movie about it & now he's sadly talking about his friends & passengers dying at the sight of Titanic & even the captain of Titan had ties to passengers who died on Titanic. Surreal.
it's called a simulation for a reason
I feel like hubris plays such a role here and the one thing about James' expeditions is that they weren't tourism. They were research. And conducted with so much more respect and for dead AND the living.
There were no human fatalities filming James' movie. What are you talking about?
Making the movie is what made people drawn to the titanic. Before the blockbuster didn't draw much attention
@@erossinema8797 I am in no way comparing this heartbreaking tragedy to James' movie.
I never really cared for the Titanic movie, but seeing this interview and hearing how much information James Cameron has about the Titanic and the wreckage makes me think that I should give his movie another look. God bless the victims and their families and friends.
Consider looking at the documentaries Cameron has made about visiting Titanic, other wrecks such as the Kriegsmarine battleship Bismarck, and his successful project to voyage to the deepest part of the ocean on the planet.
The movie was not as good as it was iconic. So much money went into getting details right.
As an engineer I had some serious red flags about the construction of the hull. Different materials expand and contract at different rates. Having the tube carbon fiber and the end piece’s titanium would be at least a 2mm difference. That’s enough to weaken the glue bond and possibly could start a crack at the ends in the carbon fiber. Each dive weakened it even more. Carbon fiber doesn’t like to flex, it shatters. It wouldn’t be my choice for these type of conditions.
It will be interesting when they recover the cameras to see what really happened.
On the bright side, the 5 people in the sub died quickly. Hopefully those deaths will teach future adventurers to pay attention to safety measures.
A cylinder instead of a sphere? Carbon fiber? At these depths? I'm what would be called an engineering idiot but I can certainly see a problem.
Why does he need to have an experimental submarine anyway? Look, I'll make an experimental computer based on ternary computation.... (ok, great idea) and I'll use it for the systems doing open heart surgery (hold on a minute).
33 is code. 33 is freemasonry, etc..
You 'had' red flags? You can't even use this simple expression correctly, you must be one hell of an armchair engineer!
Really interesting to hear Cameron’s insights into Titan tragedy.
He told it the way it should be told!!
I was really curious earlier this week why we hadn't heard from him yet.
@@eileenheath1968 Probably didn't want to comment till he had a better understanding of the facts. It's a tight community for obvious reasons.
This is the difference between someone who went down to the site and respected the nature of the site (a mass grave resulting from foolish arrogance) and someone who just wanted to go down to the site because of the infamy of the wreck (treating it like a tourist destination). This interview added fascinating context to the discussion, and it was clear Cameron understood first and foremost "It's a dangerous effort to a dangerous site in an absolutely unforgiving environment."
I appreciate how direct and honest he was about the situation. I'm not sure there's any amount of money you could pay me to make that dive even in Cameron's vessel, but given a choice between the two I know his is the one I would pick without hesitation. The Titan was so obviously a death trap, my real confusion is over just how many people willingly signed up for it.
also,cameron is a legit engineer
@@eliam1992x Right!
@LittleHobbit13 As a critical thinking person I agree. But when you watch the interviews with Stockton Rush, he speaks with the same confidence as James Cameron does, and I bet there will be hordes of people being absolutely convinced by the presentation.
I hate to bring gender into it, but the male ego is fascinating. Even with warning, the captain and pilot risked the lives of many.
@@woutdezeeuw1604the difference is the scientific angle that James Cameron takes,I think.
He makes safety a priority and knows his stuff.
I certainly didn't feel confidence in Stockton Rush's mission, hearing his earlier interviews now.
The interviewer kind of dropped the ball here. James dropped a nugget that NO OTHER news outlet has picked up on that I have seen which was that they had indeed dropped their weight and were on the way back up. That’s crucial information which means their hull health monitoring did alert them but it was way too late. That was what the engineer warned OceanGate about before they fired him for being a whistleblower. He told them that their RTM hull system would only give them seconds of warning before an implosion and they didn’t listen.
Well spotted - I saw an indirect reference to this elsewhere, with the implosion mentioned as during ASCENT; I thought at first it was a slip of the tongue and the interviewee meant to say descent. Then I thought a bit more. Then I thought about the previous interviews with the designer of the Titan; and the delay in reporting the craft missing, and the media coverage of signage at the Titan base being removed. And that the mothership was surely monitoring and would have heard the implosion on sonar... the tracks of gross negligence can never be covered. What a horrible, needless tragedy.
Agree. And I saw a clip somewhere where they did have a brief moment where they transmitted to the mother ship that they needed to abort the mission. But there was no time. If this is true, not sure why this information wasn't released a few days ago.
I saw this too and wondered if the passengers went through a terrifying last few seconds before implosion. Almost everyone is saying it was instantaneous and without warning, to where no one felt a thing. Having it happen on ascent implies it was much scarier than that for the deceased.
Good point. It sounds like Cameron, being a member of the community, knows that they knew they were in trouble and headed up. I’d speculate that the mothership not reporting them “missing“ for nine hours was likely the result of them thinking they were “on their way up“. While the implosion certainly killed everyone instantly, they may have known for a few minutes that they were in trouble, but once the hull started to yield, it was just too late.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend, Cameron is not immune to mistakes
I'm a structural engineer and I agree with James Cameron. Designing a submarine out of composite is very dangerous. Composites do not do well under compressive loads (such as being submerged deep under water). Furthermore, you will have significant corrosion issues if in contact with water overtime. Failure of composites are sudden and catastrophic, unlike metallic failure. They should have designed it out of metallic, just as James Cameron suggested. My thoughts and prayers to the families.
@@notexpatjoe I have 10 years experience in structural engineering. Yes, composite is good for certain applications, but not for compressive loading. Furthermore, you have to account for thermal knockdown for composite material allowable when under extreme temperatures. Furthermore, you don’t have yielding with composites but you do with metallic structure.
Lastly, your argument is based off stiffness. Stiffness and strength are two different things. You have to size structure for both stiffness and strength.
@@notexpatjoecarbon fiber is not equally strong in all plains it also doesn't fatigue in the same way as an all metal structure. The different materials in a composite often have different rates of thermal expansion and shrinkage and which can exacerbate wear.
Carbon fiber and composites aren't magic they are extremely strong yes and extremely light but they aren't always the best solution.
Look at spaceX they've ditched carbon fiber for stainless steel because stainless steel is actually stronger in situations with extreme temperatures and is much more forgiving and tolerant of small defects and fatigue.
An all steel or Titanium design would have given a lot of warning before failure and is a much better understood solution.
@@SpencerHHO 100% agree. Furthermore, I don’t even want to get into the conversation of failure by buckling and crippling on composites vs metallic structure. That would be a very long discussion .
Did they ever think that a vessel named Titan should be made from titanium, perhaps?
@@notsheepish8304 Only the tip
I have always admired James Cameron for his dedication to the Titanic but I'm happy that he spoke out about the dangers of the mission and was able to point out the exact anomalies like a true expert.
James Cameron gave me a close enough seat to see the magnificence of the Titanic and the people whose lives were lost in that tragedy.
May they all RIP. 💔
This is the first time I've heard James Cameron speak, and wow! His breadth of knowledge, experience, and intelligence is impressive! No wonder he's one of the top directors in the world.
He's also a deep sea explorer
guess you dont watch movie documentaries or interviews.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
james isn't telling you half of his dilligence, here, he had discussions with the engineering staff to trace parts and figure out the true safety of the vehicle before going on the dive. the level of preparedness really matters, and you can tell james did his due diligence and that's why he's here to talk to us today. I'm very sorry for the loss of the crew of the oceangate submersible. it is absolutely awful news. but its a hard lesson learned, the extreme environments in our universe are unforgiving.
He spent 3 years modelling his sub on a computer. That’s diligence.
Dudes a legend
Sounds like he followed the Navy's SUBSAFE protocols.
@@joshf9074 I'm willing to bet most of that time was learning the software XD
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James Cameron broke this down well. I think the media will is shining a spotlight on it so it’s a temporary big deal, but anytime you go flying or diving it Carrie’s a degree of risk and the higher or deeper you go, the further the risk. It seems like the kind of venture that requires absolute scrutiny of the company pricing these services. That’s not to say the operator doesn’t have blame here, but you’re rolling the dice.
It’s tragic that these people are dead. Worse yet that the more info comes out about the sub operator, the more avoidable this could have been. Condolences to the families.
i haven't looked it up myself but if reports about the former employee in charge of safety are true, the owner refused to share information about key components which were subsequently found to be inadequate because they refused to pay for what they needed. apparently this is a highly experimental design as well much different and larger than other subs that go this deep, essentially a carbon fiber tube with a titanium ring at each end while normally they are spherical and seat 2 people AT MOST.
@seymourbutts4654it’s sure as hell more expensive when you get a couple of deaths on your hands
Still blows my mind how articulate and well-spoken James Cameron is!
What a busy mind! No teleprompters to be seen here.
You can sense his passion for sure.
Very insightful, yet very easy for a commoner to understand this complicated subject and incident. You are the best, Mr. Cameron.
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He is smart but he is no saint! He did the same as Stockton and ignored safety when it suited him, cutting corners and putting people at risk.
*SALUTE TO JAMES CAMERON FOR KEEPING IT ALL THE WAY REAL* !
Such senseless deaths 😞 this is absolutely heartbreaking, my condolences to the families of these 5 men 🕊️🤍
Such a sad story. I love James Cameron and i know this really crushes his heart. RIP to the lives lost.
ur weird
no pun intended?
🙏🙏
I wasn't sure how James Camron was going to weigh in at first but it really was assuring to hear him talk with "Common Sense" & really shows the importance planning & the amount details & accordance that has to be done before embarking such an expedition
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Maybe James should’ve done some planning huh
Thank you for letting him speak & not interrupting him. Other channels have interrupted so many scientists & engineers so many times. THANK YOU. He is a legend. He & others like him should be treated with respect.
James is not just a director, he has a degree in physics and understands this better properly than CEO of Oceangate
After high school, Cameron enrolled at Fullerton College, a community college in 1973 to study physics. He switched subjects to English, but left the college at the end of 1974. He worked odd jobs, including as a truck driver and a janitor, but wrote in his free time. During this period, he learned about special effects by reading other students' work on "optical printing, or front screen projection, or dye transfers, anything that related to film technology" at the library. After the excitement of seeing Star Wars in 1977, Cameron quit his job as a truck driver to enter the film industry.
James Cameron is not only and incredible visionary but a passionate scientist! What an amazing human being!
Look up the production of ‘the abyss’. James Cameron put his casts lives in danger, he also rushed to finish the film which lead to a pool not being cleared for the correct pH and his cast got chemical burns and their hair fell out. He is no saint, he ignored safety when it suited him.
I could tell just by looking at Paul Henri that he was a solid guy. To find he was a close friend of James Cameron came as no surprise to me. RIP.
I'm surprised PH actually decided to go on that contraption.
@@derekgardin1512why did he go?
@@derekgardin1512 I'm honestly surprised at that too. I'd have thought he knew better than that. Maybe his desire to see his beloved Titanic overcame his common sense.
Wow, James Cameron is a perfectionist. No wonder the movie was such a masterpiece.👍
But yeah, you can't cut corners on these matters, you can't challenge physics.
James Horner played a pivotal role in making the film magical. You should watch the scenes without his score, and see the huge difference.
@@dritemolawzbks8574 agreed 100%
@@dritemolawzbks8574 He is a genius and a mastermind of his field as well.
@@christophevilleneuve911 Some of the on-deck sets were as bad as TV!
As a professional oceanographer who has been at great depths, this strikes home. The finding of the Titanic is what inspired me to do what I do. James Cameron and Bob Ballard are epic people and in my opinion, genius. I have a saying: "Never put anything into the ocean which you are not prepared to lose". My prayers and sympathy are with the families of those lost. A catastrophic implosion at those depths may be one of the quickest ways to meet God.
How deep have you explored?
@@714milky 3,650 meters. Roughly 12,000 ft. Over 2 and a quarter miles.
@@oceanexplorationdo you have any plans to do it again ?
@@HariKrishnan-pf1ec Never. It is incredible, but remotely operated is what we do. It is VASTLY easier to put a remotely operated vehicle down which does not rely on human support systems. That said, Bob Ballard is correct. We've through the decades never had a loss like this, despite thousands of deep dives. The mix of hull materials was a recipe for failure. It will delaminate after successive dives.
Now that you ask... absolutely I would do it again.
Wow that’s an awesome field to get into! Is there any hope to find their remains? James Cameron is extremely careful with how he handled filming the movie. It seems to be many people giving different opinions.
This is not really that important, but the way this man can string together explanations of very complicated things in an effective and also an easily comprehensible way without backpedaling any sentences, forgetting words, or going off on tangents is INSANE. I guess that's what comes from intelligence, education, and experience.
Yes a true expert with a capital E of the topic.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
He may be an expert engineer and deep sea explorer but cmon you have to admit he is the pot calling the kettle black here
@@pete5516 Chemical burns because you rushed too much and missed some checks is a *very* different level from firing safety staff and ideologically standing against precautions.
@@zammich3649 you’re right, but it’s not an excuse. If you do some research you’d find that most of the blame goes to Cameron for pushing his crew and cast too far and going way over budget with not enough time. He is entirely to blame and he also cut corners and skipped safety, and it could’ve lead to deaths.
I don’t know if you know how acid works but the pH of a pool wasn’t checked after it was overloaded with chlorine, very unlikely to do more than severely injure someone but that is still absolutely inexcusable and if you were the actor you would probably sue him and his company for their lack of safety precautions
This man is a true explorer. Not some billionaire who was playing explorer
Well said 🌹
He is a billionaire now.😁
Even though he was 77 years old he still had so much life left in him. RIP Paul Henry
Truth these french dudes live to 89 or 97
Yes, I was truly crushed when I heard the news…
No he didn't..he a crabby patty now 😂
he have been fooled by fake technology !
I think this man has given us all we need from this tragedy.
He did it beautifully and we should hold onto that.
I think we should let the Titanic and all her secrets and ghosts Rest in Peace.
My condolences to the families, all the families now, whose loved ones perished in that spot. 💔
Very well said!
James Cameron actually stated something similar in one of his interviews. He feared the Titanic wreckage would be destroyed by tourism and was even stating that it was already happening.
@@harshalnaidu Thank you
The best video about this accident so far. Hats off to this man.
Why? Because he's a celebrity and it sounds like he knows what he's talking about?
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
Great to hear James Cameron the engineer and submersible designer (not just a filmmaker) sharing his scientific insight (he talked about finite element analysis, 3 years doing computer simulation even before building anything) about this absolute tragedy. Haunting to now know/think of the site of two tragedies.
Cameron, "When warnings went unheeded ..." #hearbreaking
Better off doing that than insulting the families of those involved with his crappy movie (spectacular set tho)
James Cameron pulls an A+ again with this explaination. Probably gave a better hands on experience explaination than other experts.
Two tragedy, two ignorant captains, same place, same consequences...
They chose the caption of the titanic because he sucked.. nd it wasn't the titanic that sank.. there's a documentary about it.. nd how there was another ship that was supposed to be close by to receive the distress call nd save everyone.. but everything went bad.. if u look at the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic to it's twinish ship the portholes are different as well as under the name titanic on the hull gives the ships actual name.. it was purely for insurance but went horribly wrong
But.. the sub captain was def not qualified and just as bad
@@7Vibrant2Vixon7 What on earth are you talking about?
@@jziffifor real lol
I'd say more like arrogant not ignorant, they knew of the risks but went on anyway.
This was the first report I've seen where they mention that they had dropped their ascent weights and were on their way back up due to most likely a warning of hull cracks forming. Very unfortunate that this happened.
James actually let something out I haven't heard in that they were trying to resurface due to an emergency possibly knowing the carbon fiber shell was failing... if that's the case the people on board probably knew something was going wrong and not killed instantly in a freak implosion without warning... man that would be a terrifying scenario...
Well, once the pressure hull failed, death would’ve been instantaneous.
Yes but shortly after that it imploded and that means they went quickly
Ya I'm pretty sure they heard it start to crack and started taking on water before they where instantly crushed. Hiw long that was I don't think matters because for them it probably felt like a lifetime.
I have no sympathy for the ceo he reeped what he sowed it is the others that I feel bad for.
@@piggieria They wouldn't have noticed taking on water. They would be dead the millisecond the breach happened
Yes! Wonder if anybody else would have told that truth. Now the cats out of the bag.
I had no idea this man was also designer of submarines. What a great man. Thank you sir for giving a birth to those times and Titanic it self throught a movie we will never forget. Thank you for telling us a story of people that never could.
Everyone knows James as a producer but hes my favorite explorer. I put him just below armstrong. Hes given more of himself to science and engineering than movies. hes a legend!
Bob Ballard was like a hero to me when he found the Titanic back when I was a kid in 1985. I think I watched Secrets of The Titanic over 100 times.
me to
He is and always will be an absolute legend.
Yes I remember his discovery of the Galapagos deep sea rift vents.
I remember it was revealed Ballard was on a secret mission and the Titanic was just the cover story.
Astonishing! both captains neglected the warnings
Arrogance has no boundaries! rich person or not.
Just like you neglected to put a better picture up, please go sit down you know what you’re talking about girl or a boy what are you?
And one of them was related to Isador Strauss the owner of Macy's who died on the ship. That's super creepy.
@@amaiyagrace It is because these families have little to no faith in God. They only dream of making more money. Stockton Rush was the same, same as the others onboard. Sad ...
The difference between Genius and Stupidity.... Genius has its limits.
I love how James Cameron is such a super geek on many subjects: physics, engineering, history, biology etc
I'm glad James Cameron is speaking out about this because like him or not, he does know and has the experience. And he's completely right about carbon fiber; it's strong only up until a breaking point and then it completely shatters. It doesn't bend or give like steel or titanium, it just shatters.
Sort of like tempered glass, then.
That was super interesting to hear Cameron's insights of this event. Now after studying into this Titan vehicle, it really seems almost unreal how overlooked most of the design principles were. Cameron explained these points very well.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend, James Cameron just said what everyone else did he isn’t a genius nor is he immune to mistakes
Respect for James for breaking down the process before diving deep to the titanic.
I didn't know that it took over 3 years to test it.
Glad he spoke
33 dives 😳
33 = freemason
Thank you for James Cameron's frank, educated 100% truthful analysis. Everything said needed to be said. Dangerous isn't the right word. The risk with this thing was far worse than just dangerous. Any rational, critical thinking person with knowledge of this particular experimental submersible and the materials used knew this was going to happen and so many said so in their letter to the company asking for testing etc. All the warnings including from their own employee were snubbed by Stockton Rush and his company.
With all this known, it does boggle the mind that a Titanic expert, Nargeolet, would have put himself in this position or that a father would put parental pressure on his 19 year old son, who didn't want to go and was "terrified", to join him.
Still, I am very saddened by this loss of life. I feel for all of the family members and friends of those who have perished in this unnecessary loss. May these five men RIP.
James Cameron could not have said it best
He just as stupid.
*better
@@OTOWN2STOCKTOWN yes thanks for the correction .Silly typo error
James Cameron is without a doubt the greatest to ever do it when it comes to his profession. The knowledge and attention to detail that he has is second to known and that is reflected in his movies
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out.
@@pete5516 Did you replied under every comment that praised James even the slightest? 🤡
Well spoken, to keep in mind here these were paying customers and I do not think James Cameron would ever take paying customers on an experimental submersible that he designed without it being rigorously, tested over and over, it’s one thing to put your own self at risk knowing those risks because of your design, than to take on the responsibility of others is a whole different scenario and it’s unfortunately Oceangate disrespected that. This day and age waivers don’t mean anything.
I dont think anybody would, the dude saw dollar signs at 750K for 8 hours of work to further his business probably sounded pretty good only difference it was extremely dangerous work probably the most dangerous on the planet & he was completely unprepared clouded by arrogance & money!
Like they say money is the root to all evil!
@@TheAs63401"the love of money "
He simply wouldn't use an uncertified sub because he's not suicidal. Much less have people pay to come along.
He rented the Russian Submersibles MIR 1 and MIR 2 for the Titanic and Bismarck because he ran the numbers for a homemade submersible and they wouldn't be sound enough for proper functionality.
These machines have to be precise down to the last decimal otherwise you are risking a catastrophic failure. You can't cut corners on this stuff or you die.
Millionaires bleed like every other person does, they need to stop thinking they're indestructible.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. I agree that the company running the submersible needs to answer to the world for this tragedy. However, these losses were personal to wives, children, family members, friends and coworkers. My heart goes out to all of you.
they dont need to answer to you, peon, just be quiet
Well the one man whose truly responsible was in that damn sub and he payed the price… everyone else working for Stockton was young and just doing their jobs… Honestly in my mind it’s, Stocktons methods that lead this to that situation… RIP though but the truth is what it is
@@SEANLIGHTZTVoing their jobs shittily for a paycheck. I wouldn't build something that I knew was unsafe that I thought would take lives due to design construction. That's on them.
Wow, so they were fully aware that the death trap was failing and actively trying to surfaceas fast as possible, must have been pure terror right before that implosion. James Cameron the GOAT.
It’s a theory.
@@aussie8114 The more legit one at this time. A distress signal was sent and the sub has imploded.
@theviewbot another person in the same circle as ph has said it's been rumored/ maybe known the titan sent an abort mission to the comms in a uk interview today as well and another guy in the sub diving community told MSNBC there was the sound of an implosion heard not long after communication stopped. I'd say oceangate waiting 8 hours to tell the coast guard anything was wrong is suspicious and they probably knew all along the submersible was gone
James Cameron - yet another Canadian gift for the world.
You're welcome.
Thanks for a good report. Good to see Bob Ballard weigh in. I remember an outstanding comment Mr. Ballard made when he first found the Titanic - that people should respect it as a gravesite. I feel over the years this important concept has been lost. It was a terrible tragedy. I hope now people will simply leave it alone.
Just like the Edmund Fitzgerald, it should be consecrated, Hallowed Ground and no one should be able to dive down just to gawk at it.
Thank you! I agree, Nancy...let's the wreck, the whole phenomena of the Titanic "Rest In Peace." It was an unimaginable tragedy and now as you say it is a huge gravesite. For the 1,500 who died in 1912, and for these five. Time to let the whole thing rest.
I hope it’s left alone as well
Agreed. Cameron & Ballard have surveyed the site, and it has now been 3D modelled, anyone who wants to visit can do so easily with a VR headset. The science and research has been done. It should be left now so it can literally rust in peace, rather than an item on a pretty twisted bucket list for the rich.
The parallel is you can visit the Memorial Pool at the WTC site, the landfill site where the wreckage was taken to is not a tourist sideshow.
The knowledge of Cameron it's beautiful to see. We need more seriousness like this !
He cleared the air on how dangerous OceanGate subs are and I had no clue it was like that. I knew they were bolted in and from that alone is scary as heck. Goes to show how they really did cut major corners.
It needs to be bolted from the outside when taking civilian passengers. If one person not trained in oxygen preservation panics and opens it then boom... instant death for all. Not that it made a difference anyway because it imploded but look at it from their side, it is a precaution.
I never paid attention until this happened because I would never do something like this with a company like ocean gate. Learned a lot from engineering and physics guys in the comments about how stupid this ceo was. Who would steer a sub with a wireless gaming controller and have to have themselves bolted in so self rescue if possible at the time, would be impossible upon reaching the surface. Just absolutely idiotic.
Such an impressive interview with James Cameron.
James Cameron gives a tactful and 100% accurate analysis.
oh he will be so happy you agree with him
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33 times diving to see the actual Titanic, James knows of what he speaks.
Anyone who goes down there at that depth in anything is risking their life regardless of the precautions taken.
@@ricardosmythe2548Well, DUH...
I feel like comparing James submarines & the ocean gate submarines would be like Ocean Gate building a wooden raft made out of logs to voyage the ocean. While James takes his time & builds a cruise ship to voyage through his journey safely with all the necessary precautions. Not saying ocean gate didn’t take it seriously, but they obviously lacked some soft of safety through a breaking ship.
@@noahwhitehawk3405the CEO and those involved (save for the ones who did try to warn him of the irresponsible take they were making) did not heed to any of what was said by experts. The issue is that: they did not meet standards necessary for such a dive in such a vessel. From what was mentioned by other experts, be it from the odd shape of the vessel to the lack of safety measures regarding the materials used, the inadequate and insufficient props and untrained staff. This could have been avoided, we're not in the 19th century anymore.
It’s like comparing apples to oranges!
Great interview and what a thing to have James Cameron detailing the flaws that went into this predictable disaster. Here is a person who has directed films that have been industry blockbusters and also designed submersibles that have reached the bottom of the Mariana Trench. We all know why the skipper went the extra mile: money was desperately needed to keep the company afloat. When you have paying passengers at 250 thousand dollars a pop, even the staunchest believer in safety is willing to forego industry guidelines if he knows he may end up in bankruptcy court. There were 25 dives before this one that came back to the surface; high rollers live and die on taking chances.
My condolences to the families of the people who died.
Finally THE definitive explanation for this tragedy. Excellent interview.
This was like trying to fly an airplane into space.
Exactly. Gross negligence. The CEO was warned on multiple occasions that his Tin can was only approved for a few thousand feet under, not 12,000 feet. The only reason this happened was because of the companies negligence. They were warned by employees that specialize in safety, that the submersible wasn’t up to the requirements. Yet they fired the employees and didn’t care.
“Stupid is as stupid does”
@@Machiavelli2pctin can🤣😮💨
The X-15, SR-71, and Space Shuttle were able to fly in both the atmosphere and space but, they were designed for it and still lost Crew. Branson's efforts give me pause. Like Ocean Gate .
@@Machiavelli2pcdid they had any success with the same vessel before to wrick of the titanic? Some where I saw a news that they did 2 times successful trip to titanic wrick
The similarities between the two tragedies is unbelievable. The name of the submersible and the destination. The hubris and blatant disregarded for safety. No back up systems or plan etc.
Such a down to earth man, very knowledgeable, much respect.
He literally did the same thing as Stockton rush. During filming of the abyss he was rushing to finish it quickly and due to that the pH level of a pool wasn’t checked. This lead to his cast getting chemical burns and their hair falling out. He should be humble as he made the mistake himself
In summary, human arrogance is a deadly sin. The leaders should have listened to the precautions headed. 😢
But money. Rich people believe rules don't apply to them. Laws, morals, standards, taxes, PHYSICS.
@jewsrimposters1418He is not the arrogant one. He is the smart one that takes precautions! He is telling us about the arrogance of people not doing better to prevent recklessness. He stated "I'm struck by the similarity of the captain...where he was repeatedly warned" and that refers to the 2 leaders that did not listen and take precautions.
Cameron explained and articulated his points and knowledge immaculately
Now I know the meaning of old saying 'history repeats itslef"
Или "все инструкции по безопасности написаны кровью" 😢
James Cameron studied Physics and his dad was an engineer. He also helped design and develop the camera systems used to make the avatar movies. He's a brilliant scientific mind and they really should've consulted with James Cameron on building their DIY sub. Insane they didn't get this thing cleared for safety.
James Cameron was a “50 year old white man and not inspirational enough.” At least according to the now dead CEO of that death trap.
A few semesters of community college physics decades ago does not make one a brilliant scientist who can design anything. Unless that person has spent the intervening years devoted to that solely. Cameron is a hollywood boffin and like the majority of them, he makes outlandish and egotistical claims about his prowess across many disciplines. The Steven Segall effect in action. Cameron designs cameras, and submersibles, and lord knows what else; all the while writing and directing blockbuster movies? Yeah, sure. And so many are willing to believe his bs without question.
@@lucydayLucidaHe’s still more credible than some random TH-camr criticizing him with no receipts. You sound like a hater.
@@tiger_lord305 Yeah. I'm having a really bad day. I'm actually a huge fan of his.
They only want profit....that why disaster happen ....every single time
That's a very elaborate and polite way of saying "told you so!"
It’s crazy that they didn’t think of consulting James Cameron, considering he’s been to the Titanic multiple times and also to the Mariana Trench. He would’ve old them straightaway to not go and that would’ve saved 5 lives carelessly lost.
From everything we've found out about this Stockton character, he likely wouldn't have paid a blind bit of notice.
can you say "arrogance"?
What's the point? They would have killed themselves doing something else idiotic anyway. They were destined to win the Darwin awards.
yep. the CEO litterally said in an interview..."I'm not interested in hiring old white guys".
@@neonnoodle1169 Ironic considering he himself was one.