@@neverbackdown9804 Yes, obviously not taking it at the level of the movie, using well planned strategies, consistency, discipline and emotional inteligence and hard work, that´s the formula for everything.
For the director of the movie.. Thank you.. I am pushing my self even harder and harder and harder from years after watching this film. I am still not proud of my self but Im lucky cus I never want to give up on me.. Ever..
@@ayeshrandimasenadeera8199 its just that…. This isn’t an inspirational story. What Neiman went through is not ok. He broke up with his girlfriend because he wants to be “one of the greats”. This shows that he is obsessed rather than passionate. And he’d rather be famous than loved. He gets into a car accident, and instead of going into the hospital, he enters the competition. This is not determination. This is taking his obsession over his own health. This is NEVER good. I’m sorry but I don’t think this movie is something to aspire to. It begs the question “was it really worth it?” And the answer is no. You can be a great player and not suffer emotional trauma. Jazz players have actually seen this movie and commented that there is nothing wrong with neiman’s tempo. Fletcher is just an abusive asshole who led his students to suicide.
@@ayeshrandimasenadeera8199 the director said in an interview “Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose.” The purpose of the movie is to ask the question “is success worth abuse?” And the answer is up for interpretation. But given that the director says that Andrew’s fate will be tragic, it makes me think that any teacher who physically assaults his students and drives them to suicide is a disgrace. We must not see fletcher as an obstacle to overcome, but view him as a warning…. A symbolic representation of the myth that success comes from abuse; and ignore people like him in our lives before we end up like Neiman; and unhappy artist who will never be satisfied with his own work as he constantly puts his own health at risk and pushes away his friends and family. Neiman is not someone we should aspire to be
@@ayeshrandimasenadeera8199 the director said “Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose.” Neiman is not someone i aspire to be. Fletcher is not an inspiring teacher. He’s an abuser who gets satisfaction out of harming his students who actually play their instruments correctly. Ask any musician, they’ll say that Neiman was always on time.
Be proud of excellence, assert yourself over the mediocre herd, sacrifice what you are for what you will become, strive for heroic and excellent and worthwhile. All else is a waste of a worthy man’s time.
@@kickbuttowsk2i I don't see any problem by wanting to improve, that's the take of everyone watching this video, of course the movie is toxic, but anyone can interpret this part however they like
Beautifully done ! Good job ! And good choice of music And to all of you saying that the movie isn’t realistic towards the jazz world… that movie isn’t about jazz.. !
"Good job" are dangerous words.... Jk. I think its sad that people think that abuse and motivation are the same thing. This movie is a warning. Not a good-feel story.
I went to jazz school, this movie captures an exagerated version of the truth, theres no violence now but in the past it definately happened, the charlie parker story is real
The movie itself is incredibly well done. The acting, cinematography and directing are done amazingly. The problem is the fact that the actual music parts of it are so laughably inaccurate that it's borderline unwatchable for musicians. the easiest thing to point out would be how Fletcher counts off Whiplash, saying "5, 6, and" instead of the normal "uh 2 3 4", but the wider issue is that Fletcher's whole teaching style is just plain inefficient. Turns out that you can get a whole lot more done in a rehearsal if you don't spend half of it verbally abusing the band members. Plus, Fletcher would have been straight up fired almost immediately after the "not my tempo" scene, if not charged for aggravated assault. There have been band directors that were fired for much less. In the real world, Fletcher isn't some genius that pushes his students to greatness, he's just an asshole.
@@2004dale My main issue with the film is that Fletcher is a dogshit teacher (speaking from personal experience as a jazz musician), and his method of teaching is completely ineffective, so the main conflict of the film is completely pointless. There's also the fact that this movie is just a sports movie dressed up as a movie about jazz and is basically completely divorced from actual jazz culture.
it is and just because you are weak psychologically, doesnt change the fact complete and constant pain and suffering is how every single reflection of greatness is made of. I know you dont like statements like this, but its okay buddy. Winners need losers to make them winners.
i just finished the movie and basically the movie is about endrew wanting to become one of the great. The coach want to see how far he can push his students, so he push endrew to failure but like he said rather then quitting the next day you start again. at the end he wanted to do this, pushing andrew to failure but andrew came back and showed that he deserved to be great cuz he wont quit, he will keep coming back till he becomes great. Thats how everythings work, u need to work your ass off until you become great, not stopping when theres an obstacle.
It's all subjective. Some people think he is creating winners and geniuses and some think he is just destroying lives of young people by pushing them to that state of depression and self mortification. It all depends on the type of student he get.
Fletcher is an asshole. He technically didn't need Fletcher to become great because other schools got students into Lincoln Center. It's just the director who decided to push his personal experience onto the narrative of the movie.
I think fletcher is a horrible person. If you play drums you will see that there was nothing wrong with his tempo. He has no remorse for humanity. He finds out his student hanged himself so he LIES to his students and abuses them more. He sabotages neiman at the end. Fletcher is a despicable human being. And from the director’s mouth: “I think it's definitely a fleeting thing. I think there's a certain amount of damage that will always have been done. Fletcher will always think he won and Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose. I have a very dark view of where it goes.” It begs the question “are you passionate or are you obsessed?”
I want you to think about this. A man throws a chair at you.... yells at you.... embarrasses you in front of your entire class/band.... is responsible for the death of one of his students.... unintentionally ruins the relationship between you and your spouse.... punishes the wrong student on purpose.... and you think that this is something to be inspired by? Rewatch the movie. Actually play an instrument. Understand that fletcher is abusive, not trying to make Neiman a better player, but using him as a punching bag to unleash his sad and lonely life onto.
I think it depends on your mentality. If you get all sad and depressed after being humiliated that proves you weren’t really passionate about your goals and get easily discouraged. My chemistry teacher is like that too and I absolutely hate him
@@Littlekid-lover you can’t defend a teacher who drives their students to suicide. Most viewers believe that fletcher is an obstacle that must be overcome to achieve success. But in an interview the director said “Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose.” The intention of the film is to beg the question “is all this worth it?” I say “success comes in many ways, but this is not one of them.” Edit: if your chemistry teacher is anything like fletcher, im terribly sorry to hear that. You don’t deserve abuse. please report him before he hurts someone.
@@Shark97281 Thanks for your concern. Well I’m not being abused, I do get yelled at in front of other students but it doesn’t depress me anymore because I know that I didn’t do my best so I try hard , not to impress him but so that I can get better and when I leave I could tell him in the face to basically 🖕🖕
I don't think Whiplash is meant to be motivational and I think this cherry picking positive moments from the movie feels weird. Maybe people can disagree but I think this feels like a total misreading of what the movie is about.
It’s not a preachy movie. It’s all comes down to those questions: How far are you willing to go to achieve greatness ? Is the obsessive effort worth it ? It’s your life, so you have to decide Jacob.
Nothing about Whiplash is motivational at all, nothing about abuse is ever praiseworthy. Because I’ve been there too. Back when I was in 10th grade, I was in the wrestling class. I was only approximately 120 Ibs at the time and underweight. One day early in the season, my collarbone and ribcage became misaligned. My arms horizontal movement became restricted due to the pain. I asked everyone; my coach, my teachers, my parents to help me see a Chiropractor. No one took me seriously. Because of this injury which I was forced to wrestle with or fail the class, I never won a single match. I refuse to see this movie because I am afraid of reliving my own trauma. It’s because of this trauma I fail to understand how so many people including Chris Stuckmann can praise a work like this, and because I fail to understand I feel weak, incompetent, and outcast. Success is never worth the cost of yourself.
Except maybe for some people it is worth it. Like Michael Jordan said “if you don’t wanna play that way, don’t play that way”. Can’t ridicule people for giving it everything if that’s what they want.
This video doesn't really give you an accurate idea of what the movie's tone is (you are right, it's not motivational. It's not meant to be), I would describe the central question the movie poses as "Is all of this worth it?" and most people's answer is probably "no". I think you could actually really relate to the movie and it's themes. I don't think it's encouraging abuse, I think its moreso shining a light on it and asking questions. If you have trauma though, consider seeking professional help as it isn't going away on it's own (there are trauma focused therapies like CPT, TFCBT, & EMDR) and perhaps after that you may like the movie. Best of luck friend, I'm rooting for you.
@@maxzorin5433 I think some would argue that the Bulls won despite Jordan's abuse (a testament to their talent, hard work, and coaching), not because of it.
It will be worth it at the end.
„It’s lonely at the top but it’s a hell of a view.“ - my dad
Hell of a statement 💯❗️
Is the view worth all those sacrifices?
Remember one of Fletchers best students committed suicide.
@@neverbackdown9804 We can only find out by testing our limits. Reach your breaking point first.
Such a wize quote, i´ll borrow it.
@@neverbackdown9804 Yes, obviously not taking it at the level of the movie, using well planned strategies, consistency, discipline and emotional inteligence and hard work, that´s the formula for everything.
The only people who aren’t motivated by this movie are the same people who won’t be remembered by anybody.
Reject weakness❌
Embrace Whiplash 💯
Did you see the movie?
Run, Walk, Crawl, Grind, Break, Shatter into pieces but keep moving, However Slow you are, you are always ahead of the one who never started.
For the director of the movie.. Thank you.. I am pushing my self even harder and harder and harder from years after watching this film. I am still not proud of my self but Im lucky cus I never want to give up on me.. Ever..
Did you see the movie?
@@Shark97281 Who didnt
@@ayeshrandimasenadeera8199 its just that…. This isn’t an inspirational story. What Neiman went through is not ok. He broke up with his girlfriend because he wants to be “one of the greats”. This shows that he is obsessed rather than passionate. And he’d rather be famous than loved.
He gets into a car accident, and instead of going into the hospital, he enters the competition. This is not determination. This is taking his obsession over his own health. This is NEVER good.
I’m sorry but I don’t think this movie is something to aspire to. It begs the question “was it really worth it?” And the answer is no. You can be a great player and not suffer emotional trauma. Jazz players have actually seen this movie and commented that there is nothing wrong with neiman’s tempo.
Fletcher is just an abusive asshole who led his students to suicide.
@@ayeshrandimasenadeera8199 the director said in an interview “Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose.”
The purpose of the movie is to ask the question “is success worth abuse?” And the answer is up for interpretation. But given that the director says that Andrew’s fate will be tragic, it makes me think that any teacher who physically assaults his students and drives them to suicide is a disgrace.
We must not see fletcher as an obstacle to overcome, but view him as a warning…. A symbolic representation of the myth that success comes from abuse; and ignore people like him in our lives before we end up like Neiman; and unhappy artist who will never be satisfied with his own work as he constantly puts his own health at risk and pushes away his friends and family.
Neiman is not someone we should aspire to be
@@ayeshrandimasenadeera8199 the director said “Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose.”
Neiman is not someone i aspire to be.
Fletcher is not an inspiring teacher. He’s an abuser who gets satisfaction out of harming his students who actually play their instruments correctly.
Ask any musician, they’ll say that Neiman was always on time.
Four years and I'm still here.
Same.
Wait, that's 7 now. Accidentally revisited this video and saw this comment.
@@murli749 dang , i just go to this vid to get motivation as well
Be proud of excellence, assert yourself over the mediocre herd, sacrifice what you are for what you will become, strive for heroic and excellent and worthwhile. All else is a waste of a worthy man’s time.
What a great comment I am glad that I stumbled upon it
I watch this like 3 or 4 times a day!
if you are doing that, then there's a serious problem with you. sort it out
@@kickbuttowsk2i why
It is likely that you will achieve a lot.
@@kickbuttowsk2i I don't see any problem by wanting to improve, that's the take of everyone watching this video, of course the movie is toxic, but anyone can interpret this part however they like
@@MajinHicoI think the opposite is true
What I love about this movie is it’s not about having a good attitude, or what it means to be a Winner; but rather what it means to be *Great.*
Really good! A motivational video that doesn't use the same content...Keep posting videos.
Thanks for the upload. Saludos desde Leon Guanajuato Mexico.
Beautifully done ! Good job ! And good choice of music
And to all of you saying that the movie isn’t realistic towards the jazz world… that movie isn’t about jazz.. !
Agreed! This movie is about jazz like The Fountainhead was about architecture.
"Good job" are dangerous words....
Jk. I think its sad that people think that abuse and motivation are the same thing. This movie is a warning. Not a good-feel story.
@@Shark97281 exactly 👍
Great video, awesome film.
And people complain because "this film is bad, real jazz is not about how fast you can go".
Stupid people can't understand the subtext, film isn't about jazz.
I went to jazz school, this movie captures an exagerated version of the truth, theres no violence now but in the past it definately happened, the charlie parker story is real
@@mitchelturner7793 No the parker story is in reality, as ive heard, that he dropped the cymbal cuz he didnt like the way Parker improvised
The movie itself is incredibly well done. The acting, cinematography and directing are done amazingly. The problem is the fact that the actual music parts of it are so laughably inaccurate that it's borderline unwatchable for musicians. the easiest thing to point out would be how Fletcher counts off Whiplash, saying "5, 6, and" instead of the normal "uh 2 3 4", but the wider issue is that Fletcher's whole teaching style is just plain inefficient. Turns out that you can get a whole lot more done in a rehearsal if you don't spend half of it verbally abusing the band members. Plus, Fletcher would have been straight up fired almost immediately after the "not my tempo" scene, if not charged for aggravated assault. There have been band directors that were fired for much less. In the real world, Fletcher isn't some genius that pushes his students to greatness, he's just an asshole.
Pretty good man. Keep it up!
Thank You So Much Bro!!!!. Means alot!!!
I wake every day and I think that
ironic
The fact that there are people who believe that Whiplash is a motivational movie truly astounds me.
What’s your take on the film?
^To not be so driven by your passion that you loose your sanity?
@@2004dale My main issue with the film is that Fletcher is a dogshit teacher (speaking from personal experience as a jazz musician), and his method of teaching is completely ineffective, so the main conflict of the film is completely pointless. There's also the fact that this movie is just a sports movie dressed up as a movie about jazz and is basically completely divorced from actual jazz culture.
it is and just because you are weak psychologically, doesnt change the fact complete and constant pain and suffering is how every single reflection of greatness is made of. I know you dont like statements like this, but its okay buddy. Winners need losers to make them winners.
@@randx9453 Cringe lol
So beautifully made!
Teachers were always right its just we re not right age at that time
Inspiring!
Essence of whole. Movie.. Mother of motivation.. ❤️❤️
Masterpiece.
Felt what it was intended to make anyone feel.
The fire.
Damn, man. Amazing edit🔥🔥🔥
Love this drive
I don't get it. Is that coach a good or a bad guy? I mean he literally drove him to the edge of sanity but helped him in the end
i just finished the movie and basically the movie is about endrew wanting to become one of the great. The coach want to see how far he can push his students, so he push endrew to failure but like he said rather then quitting the next day you start again. at the end he wanted to do this, pushing andrew to failure but andrew came back and showed that he deserved to be great cuz he wont quit, he will keep coming back till he becomes great. Thats how everythings work, u need to work your ass off until you become great, not stopping when theres an obstacle.
It's all subjective. Some people think he is creating winners and geniuses and some think he is just destroying lives of young people by pushing them to that state of depression and self mortification. It all depends on the type of student he get.
Fletcher is an asshole. He technically didn't need Fletcher to become great because other schools got students into Lincoln Center. It's just the director who decided to push his personal experience onto the narrative of the movie.
I think fletcher is a horrible person.
If you play drums you will see that there was nothing wrong with his tempo.
He has no remorse for humanity. He finds out his student hanged himself so he LIES to his students and abuses them more. He sabotages neiman at the end.
Fletcher is a despicable human being.
And from the director’s mouth: “I think it's definitely a fleeting thing. I think there's a certain amount of damage that will always have been done. Fletcher will always think he won and Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose. I have a very dark view of where it goes.”
It begs the question “are you passionate or are you obsessed?”
He should have said that at the big inning of the class 😂
Very nice video
Nice. Btw Aryan, is that Gravity Network channel yours or someone else's?
It is mine
Epic editing
What's the name of this movie?
Whiplash, my favorite 🍿
Amazing
I want you to think about this. A man throws a chair at you.... yells at you.... embarrasses you in front of your entire class/band.... is responsible for the death of one of his students.... unintentionally ruins the relationship between you and your spouse.... punishes the wrong student on purpose.... and you think that this is something to be inspired by?
Rewatch the movie. Actually play an instrument. Understand that fletcher is abusive, not trying to make Neiman a better player, but using him as a punching bag to unleash his sad and lonely life onto.
I think it depends on your mentality. If you get all sad and depressed after being humiliated that proves you weren’t really passionate about your goals and get easily discouraged. My chemistry teacher is like that too and I absolutely hate him
@@Littlekid-lover you can’t defend a teacher who drives their students to suicide.
Most viewers believe that fletcher is an obstacle that must be overcome to achieve success. But in an interview the director said “Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose.” The intention of the film is to beg the question “is all this worth it?” I say “success comes in many ways, but this is not one of them.”
Edit: if your chemistry teacher is anything like fletcher, im terribly sorry to hear that. You don’t deserve abuse. please report him before he hurts someone.
@@Shark97281 Thanks for your concern. Well I’m not being abused, I do get yelled at in front of other students but it doesn’t depress me anymore because I know that I didn’t do my best so I try hard , not to impress him but so that I can get better and when I leave I could tell him in the face to basically 🖕🖕
Could've used a better song
I don't think Whiplash is meant to be motivational and I think this cherry picking positive moments from the movie feels weird. Maybe people can disagree but I think this feels like a total misreading of what the movie is about.
It’s not a preachy movie. It’s all comes down to those questions: How far are you willing to go to achieve greatness ? Is the obsessive effort worth it ?
It’s your life, so you have to decide Jacob.
@@DZGM1 bro u dont have to sacrifice anything to be good wym
@@emil25558 if you don't think you need to make sacrifices to be great then clearly youve never tried being even close to great.
@@dauntless2191 thats not what i said lol
@@emil25558Some gifted people can put just the enough effort to achieve the "greatness", others need to go full force on their dreams.
Nothing about Whiplash is motivational at all, nothing about abuse is ever praiseworthy.
Because I’ve been there too.
Back when I was in 10th grade, I was in the wrestling class. I was only approximately 120 Ibs at the time and underweight. One day early in the season, my collarbone and ribcage became misaligned. My arms horizontal movement became restricted due to the pain. I asked everyone; my coach, my teachers, my parents to help me see a Chiropractor. No one took me seriously. Because of this injury which I was forced to wrestle with or fail the class, I never won a single match.
I refuse to see this movie because I am afraid of reliving my own trauma. It’s because of this trauma I fail to understand how so many people including Chris Stuckmann can praise a work like this, and because I fail to understand I feel weak, incompetent, and outcast.
Success is never worth the cost of yourself.
Why you hate it so much bud
Except maybe for some people it is worth it. Like Michael Jordan said “if you don’t wanna play that way, don’t play that way”. Can’t ridicule people for giving it everything if that’s what they want.
This video doesn't really give you an accurate idea of what the movie's tone is (you are right, it's not motivational. It's not meant to be), I would describe the central question the movie poses as "Is all of this worth it?" and most people's answer is probably "no". I think you could actually really relate to the movie and it's themes. I don't think it's encouraging abuse, I think its moreso shining a light on it and asking questions. If you have trauma though, consider seeking professional help as it isn't going away on it's own (there are trauma focused therapies like CPT, TFCBT, & EMDR) and perhaps after that you may like the movie. Best of luck friend, I'm rooting for you.
@@maxzorin5433 I think some would argue that the Bulls won despite Jordan's abuse (a testament to their talent, hard work, and coaching), not because of it.
@@maxzorin5433 facts.